June 9, 2025 • 23 mins
Doug reacts to Dan Patrick's take on Shai Gilgeous-Alexander. Doug chooses among deserving candidates Jason Stewart deems as most annoying today and offers up one thing he sees in the NBA that outdoes all annoying things. Plus, Shaq makes today's installment of "Because We Can".
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:13):
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
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Speaker 3 (00:30):
Welcome in.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Let's get to the Fox Says and now every day
at this time and the Doug Gottlieb Show. In the
bonus podcast play fort your portion of the previous show,
Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports One. Here's Dan Patrick talking
about Shay and how his performance in game two compared
with game one.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
The difference in game two as opposed to Game one.
He was more economical with his shooting. And you know,
you're taking thirty shots to get to thirty eight points
in game one, and you're taking what twenty one shots
to get to thirty four points and you throw in
eight assists. That's where they're really dangerous. And you had
so many players from the bench coming in and contributing.
(01:12):
You saw a true okay see performance last night. Now
that's one game, but is it habit forming? Does Okay, see,
realize we should have won game one. We made a mistake.
We can't let this team get any breath of fresh
air and think they have a chance to beat us.
(01:33):
And you saw that in game one, and they should
have known that. If you watch the Pacers when they're
down by fifteen, you don't know if they're down by
fifteen or they're up by ten.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Yeah, we talked about this in the radio shows some.
So with Themhart guarding him, them Heart guarding him. In
the first game, you know, he was still effective, but
it was all from the prumeter and Nemhart is small,
gotting close to him, tried to avoid foul trouble, did
a really good job. The counter for Oklahoma City was
(02:07):
for him to what's called barkley into the post, which
is kind of dribbling back his way into the post.
And he's a dynamic score in there, not just in
the mid range, but getting to the rim. And he's
bigger and has a great slithering ability to get open,
get shots and occasionally get the line. And then you know,
when the Pacers doubled him, that's when he got the
eight assists. So the Pacers put Nemahard on him, put
(02:30):
a point guard on him and got into him. The
adjustment game two is to roll him the post and
let's see what happens with game three.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
See what happens at game three.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Here's LaVar Arrington and Jonas Knox talking about the reason
Aaron Rodgers waited so long to sign with the Steelers.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
I think it's because he got married. I know what
he got married.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
I have it on pretty good authority that that's not
why he was away. Okay, I don't know if he
I don't know if he got married, but that that's
not then what was it?
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (03:02):
Some personal stuff?
Speaker 5 (03:03):
You know, he sounds personal to me.
Speaker 6 (03:05):
You know maybe uh, you know, maybe some people that
you know might have been you know, sick in his
uh personal life, and so maybe he was taking care
of that. But it did seem like it was a foregone.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
Okay, listen, I'm gonna I'm gonna put it to you
like this, like you're saying it like real gentle and
stuff like this. Just say it. How about that you
don't have to keep people in the dark about it.
If it's getting out to the point of where it's
on good authority that this is what happened. It's eventually
going to come like it's It became a major piece
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of the story. Why is he not if he's going
to do it, why is he not going to do it?
Is he waiting for another team? Is he going to retire? Oh?
Somebody said it's personal, Like then you see a wedding
ring and is it a wedding ring? You know, you know,
if you don't want people speculating about it and you
don't get sensitive about it.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Yeah, I don't know. I don't think any of it's
our job.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
I just don't, you know, do I care a little bit?
I'm guessing the pittsburghk new all along exactly when that's
why they weren't freaking out. Here's Colin Cowhard talking about
Shador Sanders.
Speaker 7 (04:12):
Chador Sanders has two things going for him, and don't
kid yourself, this is how the league works. The owner
of the Cleveland Browns, Jimmy Haslam, is really impulsive. He
drafted Johnny Manziel over better quarterbacks. He drafted Baker Mayfield.
He signed to Shan Watson too, a ridiculous guaranteed deal
despite all sorts of allegations personally against him. Horrible contract.
(04:36):
Probably the league's worst contract and in a quarterback room
with zero star power except Shadoor Sanders, He's going to
get a chance. There's a lot of belief in the
NFL that Jimmy Haslam is the reason that of all
the teams, Cleveland finally drafted Shadeur Sanders. He is desperate
to be recognized and for star power. So my prediction
(04:59):
used to looking at that schedule between week seven and ten,
Chaudeur Sanders is going to get a shot here Shaudors
on this roster because Jimmy Haslam wanted him on the roster.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Uh yeah, I'd say that's fair.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
I definitely think having the owner believe in you and
wanting the attention and whatever. I mean, this is Johnny
Manziel one oh one.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
I just it just.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Creates at least the perception of such dysfunction within the team.
And again, remember it's it's one thing to be a
little bit dysfunctional. It's another thing to be consecutively disfunctional.
And then oh yeah, by the way, you're in a
vision with the Ravens, the Bengals and the Steelers, and
(05:51):
you know, again, say whatever you want about say whatever
you want about the Bengals and how they're traditionally run.
They did resign all their offensive weaponry and they have
been really successful recently. So the Bengals are cheap, that
doesn't mean they're poorly run. And they haven't been cheap
with the guys that they have. That's what the Foxes say.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
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Speaker 3 (06:25):
Let's find out what is annoying Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 8 (06:38):
Hey, Doug was watching the NBA Finals game last night.
I'm thinking, Richard Jefferson's not very good at this. It's
really strange. So ESPN hired Doc Rivers to be their
main guy, put them on Doris Burke. I think if
they would have ridden that out, if he wouldn't have
gone to the bucks and everything, I think they would
have been fine. Like Doc Rivers takes up a lot
(06:59):
of oxygen. Doris Burke would have been a nice, kind
of complimentary piece. But like when you have equal parts
Richard Jefferson Doris Burke, it's just not working. And maybe
ESPN should not just put like first timers into the
NBA finals. Last year was JJ Reddick, this year is
Richard Jefferson. It reminds me of the Jason Witten team
(07:19):
with Booger and Tessitour. It's just things just don't sound right.
They're not working well. But anyways, Richard Jefferson is anti content,
which means he's anti me. I like content. Richard Jefferson doesn't.
This is what he said about the anonymous poll that
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deemed Tyrese Haliburton is the most overrated player in the NBA.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Forget the vote.
Speaker 6 (07:47):
I've never liked anonymous sources in any situation.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
If you want to hide and my thing, if.
Speaker 9 (07:52):
You want to talk about Tyrese Haliburton.
Speaker 8 (07:54):
In that moment, then stay it with your chest.
Speaker 6 (07:56):
Don't give me a hidden player that wants to say something.
Speaker 10 (08:00):
You know.
Speaker 8 (08:00):
You and I have talked about the anonymous sources and
historically how things would never have been revealed without anonymous sources.
I'm not even going there. It's like, to me, what
annoys me about him in this moment is he's anti content.
Without the anonymous poll, we don't get this content. And frankly,
maybe Tyrese Haliburton isn't motivated to do magical things this postseason,
(08:22):
so he's thinking that if the Atlantic or I'm sorry,
the Athletic Writer were to go to each player and
say this is not anonymous, that they would have voted
in this poll, Like we wouldn't have never gotten the
poll if it wouldn't have been anonymous, and we would
have never gotten the Tyrese Haliburton on the motivation kick
everyone else's asked tour Richard Jefferson's anti content. I hate that.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
I So let's get to the broadcast team.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
This is a real thing that I think executive issues
that executives make, Problems that executives have that they they
make again and again and again. Okay, the number one
thing is there is a and it's so interesting, right
because I understand I got a head coaching job without
(09:11):
having been a college coach. I had coach before, but
it is different. The point is, whether it's coaching or
there has to be there's significance in having broadcasting experience.
Now Doris has a lot of it, and she's experienced
(09:31):
and respect in the NBA. So too is Mike Breen obviously,
but they also if you want they don't have a coach,
and Richard Jefferson has come in and he's been very
successful and he's good, but not necessarily as a color analyst.
And it's a different role. And what happens is when
(09:54):
you come in and you were a really good I
don't know if he was ever an All Star. He's
a real good, solid NBA player for a long time,
and he's obviously super bright and all the things.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
But what happens is.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
If you don't go through the years of build up,
you don't get the feedback that you need as a broadcaster. Right,
and remember he did a podcast while he was still playing.
By the way, nobody said shit about that when he
was still playing. He did a podcast when he was
still playing. He does studio work. But the art of
being a cuddler analyst is just that, it is an art.
(10:32):
It is not learned overnight. You need help, you need insight,
you need people telling you, hey, do this, don't do this,
et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. He hasn't gotten it. Additionally,
I think Doris is one of those if you listen
to here's what I think happened with Doris Perk. Again,
(10:53):
I don't think it's a great team. I think Doris
is super competent, competent, but there just isn't what they
had previously. They had arguably one of the best broadcast
teams ever in sports recently. And I understand there's lots
of people who don't like Mark Jackson. Don't think he
brings some people don't think he brings a lot. Some
(11:14):
people don't like Jeff van Gundy because he was seen
as curmudgeon. Okay, but those are two guys. Mark Jackson
had been a player and a coach, had kind of
unique sort of sound, great voice, great diction, good presentation,
but he also knew what that third chair was like, okay,
and he also could kind of check Jeff van Gundy,
(11:35):
and there was a mutual respect there as former coaches
and both the relationship with the Knicks, it was it
would have been very Nick centric if you had all
three of them right. And then the last part is
the reason that Doris is going to be out is
not what anybody thinks in terms of a couple of
(11:56):
fans or a couple of coaches. I don't even think
it's ESPN's call. Those companies only make these moves and
only announce these moves or leaked these moves if the
NBA says this is what we want, they are the
rights holder. And I guarantee that Doris was set up
for failure.
Speaker 7 (12:16):
She just was.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
You know, it was the because you remember, as you
point out, the initial team was Doc Rivers, former player,
longtime coach, and longtime broadcaster. Doc's really really good, and
so she would kind of be third Wheell add in
smart things or whatever. Now, when you have an inexperienced
guy who hasn't been a coach and hasn't covered a
(12:39):
league for a long time, even though he played in
the league, and the voices kind of don't work together
with Breen. The other part to it is the other
guys were funny. Right now, Richard Jefferson is both the
He's both trying to be funny and have substance as
(12:59):
as a broadcaster, and that's all hard when you're not
experienced at it, it's really hard to do. So, yeah,
obviously they're the best laid plans of MYSA.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Men often go awry. They went awry.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
I think they overvalued the fandom towards stories, not understanding
that there's a difference between just broadcasting a regular season
NBA game and people saying nice things about you, and
broadcasting the NBA Finals. I think it's poor in its
construction in there in you know, how they work together
is not great, and not having a coach really has
(13:33):
a lot to be desired.
Speaker 8 (13:35):
So I didn't even I didn't even notice this. But
we're going to talk more about broadcasting. So Tom Brady,
you and I have talked about this. My theory that
I don't think you agree with. My theory is that
I think there's a ceiling to his insight. He doesn't.
He's not great at articulating to the viewer what it's
like to be a great quarterback in the NFL. He's
(13:57):
like the Magic Johnson, great to do it, how to
do it, doesn't really know how to talk about it
very well, and he's not interesting. So Tom Brady recently
gave us yet another reason why he's going to have
a ceiling as a broadcaster when he was asked about
criticizing players.
Speaker 9 (14:15):
How can I throw shade at someone who's as amazing
as he is, And you know, I know what he's
been through, And I think the one position that I'm
in now is broadcaster. I do feel responsibility a to
tell the fans what I see and be honest and
upfront about everything, but also realize that what these guys
are doing on the field is extremely difficult. It's a
high level of skill. You're looking at any of the
thirty two teams of a starting quarterback out there. That
guy's one of the best in the world at what
(14:36):
he does. So do they make the right plays all
the time? Certainly not, by the way, neither did I
and I think you have to have this context and perspective.
Speaker 8 (14:44):
All that's true, And like Tom Brady is seems like
a really good guy, and it seems like a guy
that I like to have a beer with, but like
he could be a motivational speaker, make six figures per
appearance and just talk positive about things like that's what
he could do as a career. But what just laid
out makes him a very boring first team color guy
(15:05):
on Fox. I think they pay him fifteen million bucks
a year. So you're telling me that you have limited
insight and you're hesitant to criticize guys because what they
do is really hard.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Yeah, I mean, it just doesn't work now if we're
honest as much as John Gruden like to act like
he was the tough guy when he did Monday Night Football,
he wasn't particularly critical of lots of quarterbacks whatever, Dean
Orlowsky not particularly critical of quarterbacks at all. At One
(15:36):
of the reasons Peyton Manning has chosen not to do
not to be in the booth is by his own admissions,
is he doesn't feel like you should be critical of quarterbacks, right, so,
but if you're going to take the job, there's a
way to there's a way to balance the two.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
There is there's a way to balance the two.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
But no, I do not think you'll be particularly good
at your job, not just when you're not critical at quarterback,
but when you want to make sure that you say that.
And his supporting argument to it is just domb toils.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (16:08):
Troy Aikman and kirkerb Street Herbshreet found his voice this
past season. He basically got new I don't give a
fuck mode, and he became a much better color guy.
Troy Aikman, as you have admitted, has gotten better on ESPN.
Both those guys never really hesitate to criticize quarterbacks for
anybody else that did anything wrong, and I think it's
just part of the this is what this is part
(16:29):
of the package. When you have an a team in broadcasting,
the viewer needs to know that the guy is going
to be critical and not be deferential to the position.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
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Speaker 8 (16:50):
I don't know if you're aware of this, but there
is a growing cause of people, whether it be people
that write about technology or media or both, where we
shouldn't share AI press conferences on Twitter or your or TikTok.
Do not share them because it empowers people that makes
(17:12):
them and it confuses the landscape. In other words, because
I fell for it and I wasn't diligent enough to
make sure that what I just saw is real. It's
the person that made its fault.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
Okay.
Speaker 8 (17:26):
NBA Sentel is like this with just news and then
there's this one account that does AI press conferences. It
is so funny, it's like, I think it's like the
modern day kind of like comic relief. This guy in particular,
offered up this about Angel Reeves this past weekend.
Speaker 11 (17:45):
Angel I'm just going to get straight to it. You
shat all over the court tonight. You had more turnovers
than field goals made. Once again, you went two for
seven with three turnovers and had just four points, and
you had five me bounds to pad your rebound stats,
and you were out there a statpad down thirty in
the fourth quarter. But you're so trash that you couldn't
even do that and managed to score zero points in
(18:06):
garbage time. And tickets were going for three dollars tonight.
I think you owe everyone a refund for what we
witnessed out there. I could have bought a coffee instead
of watching whatever the hell that was. Do you have
any damn shame? Angel?
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Thank you?
Speaker 12 (18:20):
Three dollars is actually a fair price because everyone knows
without Kitlyn Clark, nobody cared about tonight's game. Kitlyn Clark
runs this league, and we still managed to get clapped
up by thirty even without her playing. Thank god she
didn't play, or else we might have lost by fifty.
But I don't sell tickets, I sell victimhood. So the
reason we lost tonight is because of racism. Kaitlyn Clark
(18:42):
mocked me when I traveled and that's very racist. That's
why we lost tonight.
Speaker 8 (18:46):
Oh man, I'd so good. I dare you to watch
one of those and not laugh out loud, Like I
don't laugh out loud very often. That made me laugh
out loud and like this, this whatever you want to
call it, this cause or the sentiment to not share
this because the Internet will become a bunch of AI fakes.
That's on you to do your work now. You need
(19:08):
to do your due diligence, make sure that what you
just saw isn't fake. I'm gonna laugh out loud at
something like that because that's very creative, very funny on victimhood.
And we lost tonight because they're racist.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
So what's the annoying part? People that complain about the
AI that you can't use AI.
Speaker 8 (19:30):
People that say you shouldn't share it because it empowers
those that are doing the duping.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
If you thought that was real though, you're part of
the problem. Yes, yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Have I have one more. I have one more. This
I actually you know Nick right now.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
We were good friends and then he got up set
over something I said, and I mean again, full disclosure.
It was it was during the height of of of
of the protests and all those other things, and Nick,
(20:19):
I thought, took a shot at what I said and
and commented and made it seem like it there was
some racism behind it, and I pointed out that like.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
I I don't. I don't know how anybody could ever
who knows me. And Nick knows me and knows that.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Like his son, who is a basketball player at the
time now he's on his podcast, Amansa, actually stayed at
my mom's house, and I was trying to help him
in his basketball career, not because he's white or black
or anything you absolutely black, but because he's Nick's son,
and and I do anything to help a friend and
help help their kid, Right, So we had a little
(21:03):
bit of a beef, a little bit of falling out,
and then recently we messaged each other and I think
we were like, hey, I was wrong, you were wrong.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
We're both all good, Okay.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
So I say this because it's a point that we
both really agree on, and it's it's not the constant
complaining about calls in the NBA that has happened we'll
continue to happen.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Seems like it's hard to get out of.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
But I have to tell you, the every time you
commit a foul, you look over you're a coach and
do the finger twirl to review it.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
It's just annoying.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Like last night was a twenty five point game. It
was never it got to like fourteen at one point
or whatever. And Oklahoma City is incredibly difficult to officiate.
And I get the Pacers frustration and some of the things.
All that said, every foul is do, let's review it.
Every foul is out, Let's review it. And the worst
part is that oftentimes they'll pick one the review and
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they're like, you're actually upon a review that was a foul.
I just I'm so annoyed by the review thing. There's
got to be some of the some way in which
and Nick suggested this, I think on his show two
weeks ago, which is if you do the review thing
and you don't have reviews, it should be like a
technical foul because you don't have a time out and
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you called it. But the constantly doing the finger twirl
thing is annoyed.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Why are we doing this? Why do I because we can?
Speaker 8 (22:46):
Shaq was on the Kelsey Brothers podcast recently.
Speaker 10 (22:52):
And I'm still taking notes by how you've did it.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
You gotta get me on the on the on the.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
DJ booth man.
Speaker 10 (22:57):
You gotta teach me, teach me your ways. Dog, I
got you, I got you what you got. And you
know it's crazy you opening up with your girlfriend. Bro,
you'll be a fucking start. Ten minutes, ten minutes, hyping
up the crowd. Oh my god, the good Swifty's bouncing
off the walls before it take its own there.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
So good, so good. There are parts of Shack which
are great. There are parts of Shack which are really frustrating.
That's a great one. Why could we play for you?
Because we can't. That's it for the end the Modus Podcast.
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Speaker 3 (23:36):
I'm Doug Gottlieb
All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Here's in
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Hey, welcome in. Oh, how are you?
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Welcome in.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Let's get to the Fox Says and now every day
at this time and the Doug Gottlieb Show. In the
bonus podcast play fort your portion of the previous show,
Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports One. Here's Dan Patrick talking
about Shay and how his performance in game two compared
with game one.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
The difference in game two as opposed to Game one.
He was more economical with his shooting. And you know,
you're taking thirty shots to get to thirty eight points
in game one, and you're taking what twenty one shots
to get to thirty four points and you throw in
eight assists. That's where they're really dangerous. And you had
so many players from the bench coming in and contributing.
(01:12):
You saw a true okay see performance last night. Now
that's one game, but is it habit forming? Does Okay, see,
realize we should have won game one. We made a mistake.
We can't let this team get any breath of fresh
air and think they have a chance to beat us.
(01:33):
And you saw that in game one, and they should
have known that. If you watch the Pacers when they're
down by fifteen, you don't know if they're down by
fifteen or they're up by ten.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Yeah, we talked about this in the radio shows some.
So with Themhart guarding him, them Heart guarding him. In
the first game, you know, he was still effective, but
it was all from the prumeter and Nemhart is small,
gotting close to him, tried to avoid foul trouble, did
a really good job. The counter for Oklahoma City was
(02:07):
for him to what's called barkley into the post, which
is kind of dribbling back his way into the post.
And he's a dynamic score in there, not just in
the mid range, but getting to the rim. And he's
bigger and has a great slithering ability to get open,
get shots and occasionally get the line. And then you know,
when the Pacers doubled him, that's when he got the
eight assists. So the Pacers put Nemahard on him, put
(02:30):
a point guard on him and got into him. The
adjustment game two is to roll him the post and
let's see what happens with game three.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
See what happens at game three.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Here's LaVar Arrington and Jonas Knox talking about the reason
Aaron Rodgers waited so long to sign with the Steelers.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
I think it's because he got married. I know what
he got married.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
I have it on pretty good authority that that's not
why he was away. Okay, I don't know if he
I don't know if he got married, but that that's
not then what was it?
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (03:02):
Some personal stuff?
Speaker 5 (03:03):
You know, he sounds personal to me.
Speaker 6 (03:05):
You know maybe uh, you know, maybe some people that
you know might have been you know, sick in his
uh personal life, and so maybe he was taking care
of that. But it did seem like it was a foregone.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
Okay, listen, I'm gonna I'm gonna put it to you
like this, like you're saying it like real gentle and
stuff like this. Just say it. How about that you
don't have to keep people in the dark about it.
If it's getting out to the point of where it's
on good authority that this is what happened. It's eventually
going to come like it's It became a major piece
(03:37):
of the story. Why is he not if he's going
to do it, why is he not going to do it?
Is he waiting for another team? Is he going to retire? Oh?
Somebody said it's personal, Like then you see a wedding
ring and is it a wedding ring? You know, you know,
if you don't want people speculating about it and you
don't get sensitive about it.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Yeah, I don't know. I don't think any of it's
our job.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
I just don't, you know, do I care a little bit?
I'm guessing the pittsburghk new all along exactly when that's
why they weren't freaking out. Here's Colin Cowhard talking about
Shador Sanders.
Speaker 7 (04:12):
Chador Sanders has two things going for him, and don't
kid yourself, this is how the league works. The owner
of the Cleveland Browns, Jimmy Haslam, is really impulsive. He
drafted Johnny Manziel over better quarterbacks. He drafted Baker Mayfield.
He signed to Shan Watson too, a ridiculous guaranteed deal
despite all sorts of allegations personally against him. Horrible contract.
(04:36):
Probably the league's worst contract and in a quarterback room
with zero star power except Shadoor Sanders, He's going to
get a chance. There's a lot of belief in the
NFL that Jimmy Haslam is the reason that of all
the teams, Cleveland finally drafted Shadeur Sanders. He is desperate
to be recognized and for star power. So my prediction
(04:59):
used to looking at that schedule between week seven and ten,
Chaudeur Sanders is going to get a shot here Shaudors
on this roster because Jimmy Haslam wanted him on the roster.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Uh yeah, I'd say that's fair.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
I definitely think having the owner believe in you and
wanting the attention and whatever. I mean, this is Johnny
Manziel one oh one.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
I just it just.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Creates at least the perception of such dysfunction within the team.
And again, remember it's it's one thing to be a
little bit dysfunctional. It's another thing to be consecutively disfunctional.
And then oh yeah, by the way, you're in a
vision with the Ravens, the Bengals and the Steelers, and
(05:51):
you know, again, say whatever you want about say whatever
you want about the Bengals and how they're traditionally run.
They did resign all their offensive weaponry and they have
been really successful recently. So the Bengals are cheap, that
doesn't mean they're poorly run. And they haven't been cheap
with the guys that they have. That's what the Foxes say.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
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Speaker 3 (06:25):
Let's find out what is annoying Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 8 (06:38):
Hey, Doug was watching the NBA Finals game last night.
I'm thinking, Richard Jefferson's not very good at this. It's
really strange. So ESPN hired Doc Rivers to be their
main guy, put them on Doris Burke. I think if
they would have ridden that out, if he wouldn't have
gone to the bucks and everything, I think they would
have been fine. Like Doc Rivers takes up a lot
(06:59):
of oxygen. Doris Burke would have been a nice, kind
of complimentary piece. But like when you have equal parts
Richard Jefferson Doris Burke, it's just not working. And maybe
ESPN should not just put like first timers into the
NBA finals. Last year was JJ Reddick, this year is
Richard Jefferson. It reminds me of the Jason Witten team
(07:19):
with Booger and Tessitour. It's just things just don't sound right.
They're not working well. But anyways, Richard Jefferson is anti content,
which means he's anti me. I like content. Richard Jefferson doesn't.
This is what he said about the anonymous poll that
(07:40):
deemed Tyrese Haliburton is the most overrated player in the NBA.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Forget the vote.
Speaker 6 (07:47):
I've never liked anonymous sources in any situation.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
If you want to hide and my thing, if.
Speaker 9 (07:52):
You want to talk about Tyrese Haliburton.
Speaker 8 (07:54):
In that moment, then stay it with your chest.
Speaker 6 (07:56):
Don't give me a hidden player that wants to say something.
Speaker 10 (08:00):
You know.
Speaker 8 (08:00):
You and I have talked about the anonymous sources and
historically how things would never have been revealed without anonymous sources.
I'm not even going there. It's like, to me, what
annoys me about him in this moment is he's anti content.
Without the anonymous poll, we don't get this content. And frankly,
maybe Tyrese Haliburton isn't motivated to do magical things this postseason,
(08:22):
so he's thinking that if the Atlantic or I'm sorry,
the Athletic Writer were to go to each player and
say this is not anonymous, that they would have voted
in this poll, Like we wouldn't have never gotten the
poll if it wouldn't have been anonymous, and we would
have never gotten the Tyrese Haliburton on the motivation kick
everyone else's asked tour Richard Jefferson's anti content. I hate that.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
I So let's get to the broadcast team.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
This is a real thing that I think executive issues
that executives make, Problems that executives have that they they
make again and again and again. Okay, the number one
thing is there is a and it's so interesting, right
because I understand I got a head coaching job without
(09:11):
having been a college coach. I had coach before, but
it is different. The point is, whether it's coaching or
there has to be there's significance in having broadcasting experience.
Now Doris has a lot of it, and she's experienced
(09:31):
and respect in the NBA. So too is Mike Breen obviously,
but they also if you want they don't have a coach,
and Richard Jefferson has come in and he's been very
successful and he's good, but not necessarily as a color analyst.
And it's a different role. And what happens is when
(09:54):
you come in and you were a really good I
don't know if he was ever an All Star. He's
a real good, solid NBA player for a long time,
and he's obviously super bright and all the things.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
But what happens is.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
If you don't go through the years of build up,
you don't get the feedback that you need as a broadcaster. Right,
and remember he did a podcast while he was still playing.
By the way, nobody said shit about that when he
was still playing. He did a podcast when he was
still playing. He does studio work. But the art of
being a cuddler analyst is just that, it is an art.
(10:32):
It is not learned overnight. You need help, you need insight,
you need people telling you, hey, do this, don't do this,
et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. He hasn't gotten it. Additionally,
I think Doris is one of those if you listen
to here's what I think happened with Doris Perk. Again,
(10:53):
I don't think it's a great team. I think Doris
is super competent, competent, but there just isn't what they
had previously. They had arguably one of the best broadcast
teams ever in sports recently. And I understand there's lots
of people who don't like Mark Jackson. Don't think he
brings some people don't think he brings a lot. Some
(11:14):
people don't like Jeff van Gundy because he was seen
as curmudgeon. Okay, but those are two guys. Mark Jackson
had been a player and a coach, had kind of
unique sort of sound, great voice, great diction, good presentation,
but he also knew what that third chair was like, okay,
and he also could kind of check Jeff van Gundy,
(11:35):
and there was a mutual respect there as former coaches
and both the relationship with the Knicks, it was it
would have been very Nick centric if you had all
three of them right. And then the last part is
the reason that Doris is going to be out is
not what anybody thinks in terms of a couple of
(11:56):
fans or a couple of coaches. I don't even think
it's ESPN's call. Those companies only make these moves and
only announce these moves or leaked these moves if the
NBA says this is what we want, they are the
rights holder. And I guarantee that Doris was set up
for failure.
Speaker 7 (12:16):
She just was.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
You know, it was the because you remember, as you
point out, the initial team was Doc Rivers, former player,
longtime coach, and longtime broadcaster. Doc's really really good, and
so she would kind of be third Wheell add in
smart things or whatever. Now, when you have an inexperienced
guy who hasn't been a coach and hasn't covered a
(12:39):
league for a long time, even though he played in
the league, and the voices kind of don't work together
with Breen. The other part to it is the other
guys were funny. Right now, Richard Jefferson is both the
He's both trying to be funny and have substance as
(12:59):
as a broadcaster, and that's all hard when you're not
experienced at it, it's really hard to do. So, yeah,
obviously they're the best laid plans of MYSA.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Men often go awry. They went awry.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
I think they overvalued the fandom towards stories, not understanding
that there's a difference between just broadcasting a regular season
NBA game and people saying nice things about you, and
broadcasting the NBA Finals. I think it's poor in its
construction in there in you know, how they work together
is not great, and not having a coach really has
(13:33):
a lot to be desired.
Speaker 8 (13:35):
So I didn't even I didn't even notice this. But
we're going to talk more about broadcasting. So Tom Brady,
you and I have talked about this. My theory that
I don't think you agree with. My theory is that
I think there's a ceiling to his insight. He doesn't.
He's not great at articulating to the viewer what it's
like to be a great quarterback in the NFL. He's
(13:57):
like the Magic Johnson, great to do it, how to
do it, doesn't really know how to talk about it
very well, and he's not interesting. So Tom Brady recently
gave us yet another reason why he's going to have
a ceiling as a broadcaster when he was asked about
criticizing players.
Speaker 9 (14:15):
How can I throw shade at someone who's as amazing
as he is, And you know, I know what he's
been through, And I think the one position that I'm
in now is broadcaster. I do feel responsibility a to
tell the fans what I see and be honest and
upfront about everything, but also realize that what these guys
are doing on the field is extremely difficult. It's a
high level of skill. You're looking at any of the
thirty two teams of a starting quarterback out there. That
guy's one of the best in the world at what
(14:36):
he does. So do they make the right plays all
the time? Certainly not, by the way, neither did I
and I think you have to have this context and perspective.
Speaker 8 (14:44):
All that's true, And like Tom Brady is seems like
a really good guy, and it seems like a guy
that I like to have a beer with, but like
he could be a motivational speaker, make six figures per
appearance and just talk positive about things like that's what
he could do as a career. But what just laid
out makes him a very boring first team color guy
(15:05):
on Fox. I think they pay him fifteen million bucks
a year. So you're telling me that you have limited
insight and you're hesitant to criticize guys because what they
do is really hard.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Yeah, I mean, it just doesn't work now if we're
honest as much as John Gruden like to act like
he was the tough guy when he did Monday Night Football,
he wasn't particularly critical of lots of quarterbacks whatever, Dean
Orlowsky not particularly critical of quarterbacks at all. At One
(15:36):
of the reasons Peyton Manning has chosen not to do
not to be in the booth is by his own admissions,
is he doesn't feel like you should be critical of quarterbacks, right, so,
but if you're going to take the job, there's a
way to there's a way to balance the two.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
There is there's a way to balance the two.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
But no, I do not think you'll be particularly good
at your job, not just when you're not critical at quarterback,
but when you want to make sure that you say that.
And his supporting argument to it is just domb toils.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (16:08):
Troy Aikman and kirkerb Street Herbshreet found his voice this
past season. He basically got new I don't give a
fuck mode, and he became a much better color guy.
Troy Aikman, as you have admitted, has gotten better on ESPN.
Both those guys never really hesitate to criticize quarterbacks for
anybody else that did anything wrong, and I think it's
just part of the this is what this is part
(16:29):
of the package. When you have an a team in broadcasting,
the viewer needs to know that the guy is going
to be critical and not be deferential to the position.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
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Speaker 8 (16:50):
I don't know if you're aware of this, but there
is a growing cause of people, whether it be people
that write about technology or media or both, where we
shouldn't share AI press conferences on Twitter or your or TikTok.
Do not share them because it empowers people that makes
(17:12):
them and it confuses the landscape. In other words, because
I fell for it and I wasn't diligent enough to
make sure that what I just saw is real. It's
the person that made its fault.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
Okay.
Speaker 8 (17:26):
NBA Sentel is like this with just news and then
there's this one account that does AI press conferences. It
is so funny, it's like, I think it's like the
modern day kind of like comic relief. This guy in particular,
offered up this about Angel Reeves this past weekend.
Speaker 11 (17:45):
Angel I'm just going to get straight to it. You
shat all over the court tonight. You had more turnovers
than field goals made. Once again, you went two for
seven with three turnovers and had just four points, and
you had five me bounds to pad your rebound stats,
and you were out there a statpad down thirty in
the fourth quarter. But you're so trash that you couldn't
even do that and managed to score zero points in
(18:06):
garbage time. And tickets were going for three dollars tonight.
I think you owe everyone a refund for what we
witnessed out there. I could have bought a coffee instead
of watching whatever the hell that was. Do you have
any damn shame? Angel?
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Thank you?
Speaker 12 (18:20):
Three dollars is actually a fair price because everyone knows
without Kitlyn Clark, nobody cared about tonight's game. Kitlyn Clark
runs this league, and we still managed to get clapped
up by thirty even without her playing. Thank god she
didn't play, or else we might have lost by fifty.
But I don't sell tickets, I sell victimhood. So the
reason we lost tonight is because of racism. Kaitlyn Clark
(18:42):
mocked me when I traveled and that's very racist. That's
why we lost tonight.
Speaker 8 (18:46):
Oh man, I'd so good. I dare you to watch
one of those and not laugh out loud, Like I
don't laugh out loud very often. That made me laugh
out loud and like this, this whatever you want to
call it, this cause or the sentiment to not share
this because the Internet will become a bunch of AI fakes.
That's on you to do your work now. You need
(19:08):
to do your due diligence, make sure that what you
just saw isn't fake. I'm gonna laugh out loud at
something like that because that's very creative, very funny on victimhood.
And we lost tonight because they're racist.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
So what's the annoying part? People that complain about the
AI that you can't use AI.
Speaker 8 (19:30):
People that say you shouldn't share it because it empowers
those that are doing the duping.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
If you thought that was real though, you're part of
the problem. Yes, yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Have I have one more. I have one more. This
I actually you know Nick right now.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
We were good friends and then he got up set
over something I said, and I mean again, full disclosure.
It was it was during the height of of of
of the protests and all those other things, and Nick,
(20:19):
I thought, took a shot at what I said and
and commented and made it seem like it there was
some racism behind it, and I pointed out that like.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
I I don't. I don't know how anybody could ever
who knows me. And Nick knows me and knows that.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Like his son, who is a basketball player at the
time now he's on his podcast, Amansa, actually stayed at
my mom's house, and I was trying to help him
in his basketball career, not because he's white or black
or anything you absolutely black, but because he's Nick's son,
and and I do anything to help a friend and
help help their kid, Right, So we had a little
(21:03):
bit of a beef, a little bit of falling out,
and then recently we messaged each other and I think
we were like, hey, I was wrong, you were wrong.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
We're both all good, Okay.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
So I say this because it's a point that we
both really agree on, and it's it's not the constant
complaining about calls in the NBA that has happened we'll
continue to happen.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Seems like it's hard to get out of.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
But I have to tell you, the every time you
commit a foul, you look over you're a coach and
do the finger twirl to review it.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
It's just annoying.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Like last night was a twenty five point game. It
was never it got to like fourteen at one point
or whatever. And Oklahoma City is incredibly difficult to officiate.
And I get the Pacers frustration and some of the things.
All that said, every foul is do, let's review it.
Every foul is out, Let's review it. And the worst
part is that oftentimes they'll pick one the review and
(22:02):
they're like, you're actually upon a review that was a foul.
I just I'm so annoyed by the review thing. There's
got to be some of the some way in which
and Nick suggested this, I think on his show two
weeks ago, which is if you do the review thing
and you don't have reviews, it should be like a
technical foul because you don't have a time out and
(22:25):
you called it. But the constantly doing the finger twirl
thing is annoyed.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Why are we doing this? Why do I because we can?
Speaker 8 (22:46):
Shaq was on the Kelsey Brothers podcast recently.
Speaker 10 (22:52):
And I'm still taking notes by how you've did it.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
You gotta get me on the on the on the.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
DJ booth man.
Speaker 10 (22:57):
You gotta teach me, teach me your ways. Dog, I
got you, I got you what you got. And you
know it's crazy you opening up with your girlfriend. Bro,
you'll be a fucking start. Ten minutes, ten minutes, hyping
up the crowd. Oh my god, the good Swifty's bouncing
off the walls before it take its own there.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
So good, so good. There are parts of Shack which
are great. There are parts of Shack which are really frustrating.
That's a great one. Why could we play for you?
Because we can't. That's it for the end the Modus Podcast.
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