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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Here's in
the bonus with Doug Gottlieb.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
What up Doug Gottlieb Show. In the bonus Fox Sports?
Right now? iHeartRadio app. You know, there's this thing going
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on that I don't know. We've gotten so defensive in
the media against the media. Like yesterday I was listening
and I don't know. I like Mary Kay Cabot has
a tendency to ask kind of old school questions, a
little bit leading, a little bit wandering and meandering, but
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she's covered the Browns forever. She is well respected there.
She asked Shador Sanders about his dad and because you know,
we don't know what the issue of the health issues are,
but he's missed some workouts and he's not around, and
it got leaked out there that he's got some health issues.
Dion's lost some toes as part of some some health
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health issues, and it's it's even to the point to
where you can't like Chador is so defensive towards the media.
He can't even just say, like, it's really tough one
working through stuff with my dad. He's he's got to
change the topic to talking about quarterback and not just
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talking about his dad. Here's to just take a listen
to this. The answer to the question.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Your dad mentioned on a recent podcast that you know
he's still kind of going through his health challenge.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Yeah, I don't know what's going on. So I'm here
not to talk about pops in him. I'm here for
the quarterback of the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
I just you know, my question was, though.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
If you don't mind answering this, do you kind of
have to just like you said me, where your feet are?
And I'm sure that's something that would be worry to
you if you let yourself kind of think about it here. Sorry,
is that something that you're trying to just I'm focused.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
I'm focused on learning this playbook and everything I gotta
do to be the most successful quarterback I could be,
and be a best teammate I could be. Outside of that,
I don't really have no thoughts or you know, really
opinions on anything outside this game.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
Okay, appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Thanks, We good appreciate y'all.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Yeah, I mean, in the very nicest way possible, he
was incredibly rude and not answering questions at all, Right,
and in this particular case like his dad's were going
to through some health challenges. It's a very normal thing
to ask any young player about any older player about
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and just the hey, I don't really know what's going
on there. I'm just here to tell you about a
quarterback like why. And I'm not to blame Shadeur. I'll
take some of the blame off of him, but this
is kind of what we do. It's the classic playbook
of blame the media. And I'm sure there's a good
number of people in Dion's camp, probably Dion as well
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and maybe Schador as well, who blame the media for
his slide. Hey, you guys have promoted this when the
reality is right. It's not the media. It's how he acted,
how he carried himself when he was on those visits.
But like, this is what we're doing now. Somebody asks
about your dad and you move on from the topic
just because you're so defensive towards the media. It's it's
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really silly and you know or the questions great, no,
but you can take a moment to go, hey, my
dad is the biggest influence of my life, football or
not or otherwise. And yeah, I mean, whatever he's got
going On. You know, he doesn't share a ton with me.
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And because I'm so engrossed in trying to become the
star any quarterback of the Browns, I'm not paying a
crazy amount of attention to it. But obviously when I'm
not here and I'm at in my hotel room or
if he has an apartment or whatever, it's on my mind.
So yeah, I'm thinking about it. Whatever. But we've just
reduced even the ability for smart people, and shet Door
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is not He's a smart dude. We've reduced the ability
for smart people to just answer a question honestly and
in any with any sort of vulnerability. And I think
that's because he's been trained to do that.
Speaker 6 (04:34):
Can I start a rumor?
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 6 (04:39):
Deon sanders injury was from him using the phone in
the off season to call teams to tell them not
to draft his son. He did it so harshly and
emphatically that two things happened. His son dropped to the
fifth round, and he he injured his like nuck muscles.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
That you're going with, That's we're going. That's what we're
going with.
Speaker 6 (05:13):
You love that, you don't You don't find any any grounds.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
I'm I'm smiling, but I'm I don't know if I'm laughing.
Sam's laughing. I'm smiling.
Speaker 6 (05:23):
I'm smiling because I don't know where to go with that.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Either.
Speaker 6 (05:27):
You got whiplash from yelling into the phone.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Well, I mean, what if? What if Shador had hemorrhoids
from sitting on his ass for so long waiting to
be drafted? Also pretty part of it that I gotta laughing,
but also Sam laughing on hard.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
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Speaker 2 (05:54):
Let's get to what the Fox says, and now I'd
say every day at this time, I got lip showing
the bus podcast, we play for you a portion of
a previous showing Fox Sports Tree or Fox Sports One.
Here is LeVar Arrington and Jonas Knocks talking about the
Miami Dolphins.
Speaker 7 (06:09):
This is a very pivotal year for Miami, just for
the simple fact that they've had such high expectations. But again,
I think it ultimately comes down to, you know, Tua
can talk about culture change and it feels different, and
this and that and the other they haven't been a
bad team, it's just they're not a good team when
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Tua goes down. So I think that the biggest question
is ken Tua stay healthy and if he doesn't, do
you have a contingency plan to be good and continue
being good if to it were to go down.
Speaker 6 (06:43):
It's just that simple.
Speaker 8 (06:44):
The success of the Dolphins all depends on whether or
not two is on the field. When two is on
the field for Miami, they're forty and twenty four. When
he's off the field, they're seven to thirteen. Like, that's
all you need to know. So if they're looking around, well,
you know there's a culture shift, there's a no, there
should be a health shift. If there's a health shift,
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and he can stay on the field and he can
stop going head first in trying to pick up extra
yards which don't really matter in the moment. Long term,
if he can do that, then Miami's got a shot.
But Mike McDaniel's future, Chris Greer, there's a lot of
people there in Miami whose future depends on whether or
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not to it can stay on the field.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
The only problem with the number of what they do
when he's not on the field is I would say
ninety five percent of teams. I mean ninety percent of
teams when they have a starting quarterback and they lose them,
their season is gonna They're gonna stink, especially now with
a disparity between you know, when you have big money quarterbacks.
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I'm just, even when healthy, I'm not a huge buyer
into Tua at the top of the food chain. I
think he's good though, in terms of getting the ball
to guys that but it all works because they've had
Waddle and Tyreek Hill. And as Tyreek Hill starts to
kind of be normalized a little bit, he's a little
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less effective. They're less dynamic as a team, and Tuoa
is going to have to make more plays and I
don't think he's capable of it. So Miami's also stuck
there there. You know. It's one of those things that
we always thought the Patriots were in a bad division,
but the Patriots made the division bad. Right now, the
Bills are the team in that division. They make that
division bad because Josh Allen is so good. This is
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Dan Patrick talking about Tyrese Halburton.
Speaker 9 (08:41):
You know, when you've kind of graduated to a certain level,
maybe stardom, when we start to critique you. Tyree's Halliburton
is getting critique now, Whereas during the regular season, nobody
probably said a word about his game outside of Indianapolis.
So he's in the finals and now everybody has an opinion. Now,
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all of a sudden, he's gotten to the point where
we go, okay, let's see what you can do. Game
three didn't look good. In games one and two. Hit
a big shot in one, but two, all right, got
to be more aggressive here. There's players that you, all
of a sudden have expectations for, and Tyre's Halliburton has
gotten to that point. There are expectations for him in
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the NBA Finals. I don't know if anybody has had
a run quite like him in the last twenty five
thirty years when it comes to postseason basketball and elevating
your status. Now, all of a sudden, we're going as
Tyrese Haliburton a top ten player. Nobody would have said
that if you talked about the Pacers in December or January,
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Be like, Tyrese Halliburton, what position does he play? Can
he shoot? Where's he from? Now? All of a sudden,
you've graduated. Now it's like, oh, the guy at Iowa State.
All the guy used play for Sacramento. All the guy
who's hitting all the big shots, now, all of a
sudden we treat him differently. You've got to be a star.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Yeah, I'm with Dan on this one. Like when you're
elevated to that star status, you have to play at
a level of a star. That's our expectations of you.
And the unfortunate thing for tyres Halburton is that his
play at times has been so good it's created a
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false arrative of who he is right, a false narrative
of who he is. Here's Colin oh Here's Colin Cowhert
talking about Aaron Rodgers and if it'll work in Pittsburgh
with Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 10 (10:47):
Of top older star quarterbacks past their prime when they
have gone to a new environment, there's nine that come
to mind. I'm not talking Andy Dalton or Joe Flacco,
Nick Foles. I'm talking stars like Cam Newton, Aaron Rodgers.
So there's nine that I would in recent history, Tom Brady,
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Peyton Manning, Matthew Stafford, Philip Rivers went to Indy, had
a great year, Aaron Rodgers with the Jets, Russell Wilson,
Kirk Cousins, Matt Ryan, and Cam Newton. Again, So how
did it work out for those nine? Well, let's put
them in two camps. One being successful. Brady won a
Super Bowl, Stafford won a Super Bowl, Peyton Manning won
a Super Bowl, and Philip Rivers, I'll argue this all
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Day had a great year in Indy. He was eleven
and five ninety seven passer rating. And then you have
the other camp, the less successful camp, and that would
include obviously Aaron Rodgers with the Jets, and Russell and
Denver and Kirk Cousins in Atlanta, and Matt Ryan with
the Colts and Cam Newton with Belichick in New England.
What's the common threat? What's the truth. The truth is,
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if you have a defensive coach, as an old quarterback
past your prime or an inexperienced coach, it's gonna be turbulent,
not gonna be pretty again.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Collins making he's doing the thing that I don't love
about our business, and I understand, like Jay stew it
is probably the part about our business you wish I
would do more of. Is he's he's talking about absolutes
and that's just not It just doesn't make any sense.
It doesn't make any sense. You know, Dan Quinn is
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a defensive coach. He drafted Jaden Daniels. They hired Cliff
Kingsbury as the offensive coordinator and gave Cliff Kingsbury all
the space he needed to develop the kid, and it
worked great. So what are the You can't do absolutes
just because it wasn't working in Chicago. You know, they
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had Mark Trustman as the head coach there before. He
was an offense They've they've had offensive coaches that also
didn't work. So again, I just I just don't like absolutes.
I think that's I think that's easy for us to ingest,
but it's not an accurate way to look at it,
not a fair way to look at That's what the
Fox said say.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Let's find out who are What's annoying? Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Jase Do who are what's annoying you?
Speaker 6 (13:44):
Hey, Doug, Scotty Scheffler is getting ready for the US Open,
he uh said something interesting yesterday. I think it kind
of speaks to a bigger point. This is what he said.
Speaker 11 (13:53):
I think everybody hears from fans whether they have a
financial benefit or anything in their outcome. That's why I
had to get rid of my venmo because I was
either getting paid by people or people requested me a
bunch of money when I didn't win.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Wasn't a good feeling.
Speaker 6 (14:06):
So gamblers going after athletes venmo accounts to make up
for losses that they've had. I think it kind of funny.
It's funny, and then it's then it speaks to a
grander thing, like when you legalize gambling in an age
where where you have access to athletes. Now a social
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media has a there are obvious safeguards in place. You're
not going to get to the athlete, but you could
get messages to them. And then you had that story
Bradley Beal, I think it was a couple of seasons
ago talking about how a guy came up to him
and said, you owe me five thousand dollars, motherfucker, or
something like that. Just had general hostility from fans that
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we didn't seem to get when the gambling was illegal.
I don't know what this is that means. I don't
know how. You could probably do a whole podcast on
why that is, but I do I do think that
it's going to get worse. The problem is this, what
kind of safeguards could we put in ployees before an
athlete or a coach actually gets injured or worse by
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someone who just dropped a bunch of money on them.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Again, I think that the actually the biggest one is
going to be college You know, it's like, at the
end of the day, they're professionals, you know they can,
but but college kids one, they all grew up on
social media, so they're all bigger targets. And gambling has
become such a huge part of all sports, and I
think it's it's really affected the energy at college stadiums
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in college arenas. But what safeguards can we put in place?
I don't know. I don't know. We have a tendency
to look at things in a very like to be
where and I don't know if you played chess chase too,
but it's like when you're playing chess, you gotta look
at the whole board, and nobody looked at the whole
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board when they started legalizing gambling and making it a
bigger thing. What else? Who else annoy you?
Speaker 6 (16:17):
Let's see Rory McIlroy, another golfer. This is what he
said about the Oakmont course last Monday.
Speaker 12 (16:26):
Felt impossible. You know, I birdied the last two holes
for eighty one, so like it was, I felt pretty good.
Didn't feel like I played that bad. So it's much
more benign right now than it was that. I mean,
they had the pins and dicey locations and greens were
running at fifteen and a half, and you know, it
was it was it was nearly impossible.
Speaker 6 (16:47):
So nearly impossible. Remember at the PGA Championship, he just
declined to even talk to the media and got criticized
by the ways of Jack Nickols for join that. I
remember the week after he had won the Masters, he
was like the the toast of the town. I think
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that's the cliche, Like everyone just wanted to talk about Rory,
how great it was, amazing sports story, he could do
no wrong. And then since then he's just come off
like a whiny bitch. When he's not talking to the media,
he's criticized because most people have to do that, and
then when he's talking to the media. He's talking, he's
criticizing the course that he's about to play for the
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US Open, which just tells me that he's laying the
foundation for why he's not going to do well.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Yeah, and then he was complaining about the driver thing. Whatever. Uh,
I don't know if he's a he's a he's a one.
I wouldn't go as far as a whiny bitch, but
I do think there's a certain there's a certain confidence,
a certain I got it that the best of the
best have and he's kind of missing that. So yeah,
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I feel you on it. Who else annoy you?
Speaker 6 (18:01):
Have you been tracking this Angel Reese thing? I don't
know if you knew this about her or not, but
she's playing the victim card again. So I don't know
if you know this, but Angel Reese gets a lot
of shit on Why, But she'll tell you she doesn't
pay attention to this stuff on Why, but she gets
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a lot of shit. So she wants you to believe
two things. She wants you to believe she doesn't pay
attention to it, but she also wants to remind you
that she faces a ton of criticism and harassment online.
Don't know how each of those could be true, because
if you're not paying attention to it, you don't know
about it. But I'll let that go. Last night, this
guy got their rasses kicked again. Sam would know more
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about this, but they seem to get their rasses kicked
every game. I don't know. Angel Reese was doing a
press conference and just started talking about this very thing
I just laid out. I get a lot of criticism online,
but this is you know, I'm tough once I get
to the jim, once I get to the arena, this
is this is what I pay attention to. And then
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her her what's the name of her teammate, Sam uh
ariel Atkins Atkins, Yeah, ariel Atkins. I don't think she'll
be I don't think she'll be confused anytime soon. Is
a great orator. I don't think that her and Winston
Churchill will ever be mentioned in the same sentence.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
A Smith.
Speaker 6 (19:23):
Yeah, Yes, uh ariel Atkins comes to Angel Reese's defense,
the big victim.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
This is a twenty three year old kid. Any amount
of crap that she gets on a day to day
and she still shows up. So whatever questions y'all got
like about our team basketball wise, we appreciate it, but
all the other nonsense like is she relevant, Like we're
here to play basketball, and do we do? We having
a hard time right now at the end of the day,
just a twenty three year old kid who handles herself
with grace. Her crown is heavy, So whatever else, like
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y'all want to come at her for the way that
she actually she has to build the wall. She has
to have the wall because if she does it, people
will break her down. Not only just because of the way
she what's because of the way she.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Cares her stuff.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
She doesn't just walk around and act like, oh, I'm not.
She knows who she is and we ain't gonna break
her down. Forday, So whatever other questions j'all got, like,
I'm hoping it is just about basketball, maybe a box
score question. But the kid's crown is heavy, like respect that.
Speaker 6 (20:19):
I don't know how many things were funny about that,
but let me focus on the crown is heavy. So
that's an old clichet, you know, the king and the.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Queen heavy as the head there was a crown.
Speaker 6 (20:30):
Yeah, and when and in what arena? Is she a queen?
Like who has said that she's a queen? Who's made
her a queen. She seems to be like a decent
power forward on a bad w NBA team, Like, what
what's queens about that? Doug?
Speaker 2 (20:49):
I'm not really sure. There was just there was just
there was too much going in there, Like she can
speak for herself, she doesn't need you. She it's like
she doesn't carry herself as like, what are you talking about?
I'm good. Yes, the whole thing is annoying. The people
rushing to her defense like she's a victim is annoying
as well.
Speaker 6 (21:07):
Twenty three year old kid, kid who is multiple years
in now to making over seven figures doing what she does.
I don't think she's a kid. There's nothing about her
that is a kit. And then she's she's a queen
now too, So I guess a kid queen.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
She's a kid and a queen. I got one. That's
annoying me. So Simone Biles is apologizing for what she
tweeted at Riley Gaines and saying, you know, is personal whatever.
So Riley Gaines has received a ton of acclaim because
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she's somebody who's called out transgender athletes is not belonging
in women's sports, right, So she made fun of the
I guess Minesota's high school softball champions and the four
four A state champions is a champlain I'm gonna say champlain.
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I don't know comments off lol to be expected when
your star players a boy. So Simone Biles says at
Riley Gains, you're truly sick all this campaigning because you
lost a race, straight up loser, straight up sore loser.
You should be uplifting the trans community and perhaps finding
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a way to make sports inclusive, or creating a new
avenue where trans feels safe in sports, maybe transgender category
in all sports. But instead you bully them. One thing's
for sure, no one is safe in sports with you around.
So if you actually read what Simone Biles said, she
did not say I believe that women, you know that
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trans women should participate in women's sports. What she said
was she went after Riley Gaines because Riley did. Like
remember when Riley lost the race in the NCAA Championships,
she the the trans athlete, finished fifth. She finished sixth,
So at best, Riley Gaines would have finished fifth. And
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I tend to I think both of these things can't
be true. Riley Gaines can make some good points and
be a sore loser. But Simone Biles like, I don't
know why you have to apologize. You said how you felt,
and then you support it with the hey, I'm not
even like an all in on. She's just saying, like, hey,
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we can there's a way in which we can all
be a better form of happy and a way in
which you can do it. So I'm annoyed that Simone
Biles was told she had to apologize.
Speaker 6 (23:52):
I think that there are a couple of things you
left out of those she was She received the most
criticism for the contradiction of saying that that that gains
as sick for for making fun of this transgender competitor
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while saying that she looks like a man like she
she made fun of the way she looks, so she
body shamed or whatever you call it. Within this tweet
where she's criticizing someone for being mean to somebody.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Who did she wait? Where where was that? I'm trying to.
Speaker 6 (24:33):
Think it was either in the initial tweet or her
follow up because she wrote two tweets.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Believe some of your own size, which would ironically be
a male yes, because because look, she's talking shit okay,
and again I I don't. And and part of this
is this is the Simone Biles thing as well, which
remember I was I was the one who I got
criticized when like she got the twisties. And my point
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is not that the that you can't have a mental hurdle.
My point is that the best athletes in the world
find a way to overcome the mental hurdles or they
don't take somebody else's spot on the on the Olympic team.
But I don't mind her talking shit. I just don't. Hey,
I said what I said. And the problem is that
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that Simone Biles has just been we've completely de defanged
people to where they can't talk shit.
Speaker 6 (25:27):
And the in the apology, which is I don't think
anyone believes that it was written by Simon, No, it
was some crisis management PR firm.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Right.
Speaker 6 (25:38):
They mentioned two words together that everyone's having having a
ball with her. She says, I've always believed in competitive
equity and inclusivity are both essential in sports. No they're not.
And if anything is not equitable, it's competition. That's the
problem here, that that there is no competitive equity. That's
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a contradiction in terms inclusivity to a certain point. I've
said this many times. I am a father of someone
on the spectrum. I believe in inclusivity. People should go
out of the way to make kids feel included. Absolutely,
But when you start talking about competition, and when either
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scholarships or championships or even money is on the line
and there's a competition, equity doesn't play into that. Sports
is like one of the last bastions of inequality or inequity.
Like if the best are the best, the strongest survive,
this is what sports are, correct.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Right, Yes, yes, absolutely correct. There's definitely a contradiction. I
just hate the forced apology. That's my biggest issue is,
you know, I don't care if you get along. You
don't have to like anybody, and I just I hate,
I truly, truly do not like the oh, everybody's got
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to like everybody, everybody's got to be Kuma yacht. You
talk shit, talk shit.
Speaker 6 (27:07):
So that wins.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Definitely, that's annoyed.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Why are we doing this because we can?
Speaker 6 (27:20):
All right? So this one's fun, Doug, This one's fun.
This takes a little bit of laying out, So Howard Stern.
One of the reasons I got into the business. Okay, amazing.
You could talk about how water down his product has
been over the past ten to fifteen years. But he's
like in his mid to eight sixties, so I don't
know how how edgy and dark he can get as
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he gets into his sixties. But anyways, he brings up
a good point here. I love this point. So do
you notice how baseball broadcasters when a player is hit
in the balls, they find every creative way to describe it.
But they never just say, oh, man, that got him
in the nuts, that got him in the balls, that
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got him in the sack, that hit his dick like,
they never say that stuff. These are examples of how
they creatively work their way around that. Right. He took
that right where the sun don't shine. He took one
in a sensitive area.
Speaker 13 (28:18):
He got that one in the athletic supporter.
Speaker 6 (28:21):
That hit right in the midsection, got Garrett Stubbs in
a very tender spot between the wickets.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Not a great spot.
Speaker 6 (28:27):
A little one on two.
Speaker 10 (28:29):
Yeah, there's no trainers coming out to rub that one.
Speaker 6 (28:32):
That one hit him at a suburb south of the stomach.
I think, right near the belt.
Speaker 9 (28:37):
It got Adley below the equator.
Speaker 13 (28:38):
Oh No, it didn't get him on the foot.
Speaker 6 (28:40):
That is not a foot.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
No, it's not that bounced right into his belly.
Speaker 6 (28:45):
Oh no, not on the belly. Never mind, that's a
different kind of belly. You don't need a replay. Know
where that ball got him. He will be a soprano
for the next inning or so. So Howard Stern took
aim at the over sensitive, over politically correct ways in
which broadcasters sum up this incidence.
Speaker 13 (29:05):
I love when radio announcers or anyone in the media
still is pretending like our world is in a fucking
mess and there's no internet and there's no porn. Nine
year olds are busy watching porn, and these guys are
dancing around the word like, you know, hey, the guy
got hit in the nuts or balls or testicles. You know,
they're acting still like it's like the nineteen forties or fifties.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
So funny. Why can it play for you because we
can That's it for the ind the Bonus podcast. That
was just that was awesome? Did you put that together?
Is that from his show?
Speaker 6 (29:36):
It's all from his show? Yep, so good.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Why can you play for you because we can't. That's
it for the Invos podcast. I got the radio show
every day three to five years Feal specific Fox Sport Tradio.
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