June 12, 2025 • 26 mins
Doug riffs on the first day leader of the U.S. Open. Doug reacts to Colin Cowherd's take on the Pacers. Doug chooses among deserving candidates Jason Stewart deems as most annoying today. Plus, Mike McDaniel makes today's installment of "Because We Can".
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Speaker 3 (00:15):
iHeartRadio out Do any of us know if JJ Spawn.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Is any good? I bring it up because JJ Spawn
is the twenty fifth ranked player in the world. Right,
And he shot a bogie free four under sixty six
time for the lowest opening round score in US Open history.
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And remember everyone's talking about everyone's talking about the fact
that this course, the setup is just incredibly hard. Par
probably wins, maybe even over par. And he shoots a
four under bogie free round. This is a guy who
has one career win on the PGA Tour, the twenty
twenty two Valero Texas Open.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Right.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
He began his career on the PGA Tour Canada. Raise
your hand if you're not a golf guy and you
knew the PGA Tour Canada actually existed, I had no idea.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
He's San Diego State guy.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
He's a great college golfer, Mountain two time Mountain West Golfer.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Of the Year.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
He's married and he's got two daughters, Emerson and Violet
Good names, good names. So guy seems like a fairly
regular dude, right, fairly regular dude, like so many of
us from California, he came from somewhere else. I think
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he's like half Filipino, half Mexican. He's a really unique story.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
But did you.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Actually know who JJ spawn was before I started talking
about him on your on this podcast? The answer is now, oh,
so okay, that's fair right, I mean, like Buyer, I know,
Buyer's like, well, JJ Spa is like a great college golfer.
He's twenty fifth right put. But to those of us
in the mainstream, we're like, I never heard. So here's
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the here's the metaphor. The guy who goes out and
shoots an opening round four under bogie free round feels
like he's the uh, the guy in the opening scene
in a horror movie, or you know, he's not going
to be around for the end of the movie, but
for whatever reason, you get fully engaged with this guy.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Like, oh, don't go in there.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Oh now, full disclosure, I don't like horror movies.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
I just don't like seeing people die.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
You know, yeah, I don't. I'm a scaredy cat. Don't
like heights don't like horror movies. But it's not so
much people dying, it's the the intentionally murdering somebody in
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because in a horror movie sort of way. Anyway, Uh,
this feels like the the the unknown actor in the
first scene in a horror movie is who JJ spawn
essentially is. You'll get to love him, you hear his story.
He's awesome, and then he's not gonna you know, he'll
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make the cut, but he'll be nowhere to be found
on Saturday or on Sunday, nowhere.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
To be found.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
It's like, for whatever reason, you know, golf is Brooks.
Koepka's obviously right there, but you know he's just beginning
to play. But he's well early, you know, Scotti, Scheffler finished,
He's even through through like three holes.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
When we're recording this, I don't know who it'll be.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
If it's Scheffler, if it's Speeth, if it's Rory, who
it'll be. But it does feel like the guy who
goes out early and goes low is the guy who's
the first first unknown dude in a horror film because
he's not going to survive the weekend. And much like
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the guy in the horror film will not survive the
opening scene.
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Speaker 3 (05:00):
Here's Ded Patrick talk about the NBA Finals.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
I was looking for an analogy, a comparison outside of
sports with the NBA Finals. And if you've ever gone
to a movie and you come home and all of
a sudden you say, this movie was great, and then
all of a sudden, it's who was in it? Hmm
this guy?
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Remember this guy?
Speaker 5 (05:23):
And he would hmm, okay, you know what, let me
google it and then I'll tell you who this is.
Like the usual suspects, there are no real stars in
there at the time, like Gabriel Byrne, Kevin Spacey. They
were all good actors and then all of a sudden,
you go, man, this movie it was wild, it was
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really good.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Who's in it?
Speaker 5 (05:45):
Oh, that guy and maybe that guy you know one
of the Baldwin brothers. I'm not sure which one. It's like,
it's not Steve. I don't know, maybe it's Steven. It's
not Alan, Kevin Pollack, you remember.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
You had that.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
You kind of have that with the NBA Final.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
You do, you do.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
It's it's just hard for non name brands, you know,
it just is. And I enjoyed last night. Last night
was a good basketball game, enjoyable watch home team wins.
Ben Mathrain was amazing. But it's just hard when you're
so hardwired that this league is a star driven league
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and we've been so lucky to go from Kobe to
Lebron to Steph and Kad you know occasionally Kawhi Leonard
or whatever, like you just have stars, and we're just
not there with this group. So it is a little
bit of Billy Baldwin. It is a little bit of
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you know, Bill Clinton's brother. It is a little bit
of that that it's like a B movie. Not the
B movie. I kind of like B movie.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Anyway. Here's Colin Cowherd talk about the Pacers bed methroom.
Speaker 6 (07:07):
How about Ben Mathern, how about that guy, how about
that young guy? Got a little Westbrook right with a
little more refinement. He was a hockey and a football
player in Canada. He goes to Arizona one year in
college dominates. Next year he's gonna be one of the
best players in the league. You're gonna talk about Cooper
Flag and that kid's gonna give you twenty two a night.
He has wild confidence and per minute. I think he
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may be the Pacers leading score per minute.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
What a stud. I saw you call him Russell Westbrook
last night.
Speaker 6 (07:35):
No he does he but oh no, So I went
and I looked up his Wikipedia stuff. He was a
hockey guy, in a football guy, in a basketball guy.
He goes to Arizona, is a dominant college player, and
you know he's a one and done guy. But he's
a guy that when he's on the floor is just
instant energy for them. I mean you can see, folks,
you can talk about all these players. We're gonna pay
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attention to Cooper Flag next year and Wemby and the
young player. This kid is dynamic.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Man.
Speaker 6 (08:03):
He is caught. He was like that in call. I
boughted him like twice in college.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Uh yeah, I mean, look, Ben Mathene is just he's
one of these guys that when he gets hot and
runs a heater. He can give you, you know, twenty
two in limited ad minutes. But look, as we started
the radio show with, we're told when you first get
in this business to not be cliche. But one of
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the NBA cliches is road players play. I mean, excuse me,
role players play better at home. And Ben Matherine is
just that. And he lived up to that. He really
lived up to that entire mantra right here. He is
a role player playing unbelievably unbelievable basketball and doing it
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at home, which means that probably in game four war
he'll be non existent. In Game five, he'll struggle because
he's on the road. But you know, look, he can
tell that tale Collins tail about a lot of these guys.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
You know, and their and their exploits.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
It's like using the fact that he was a very
good player as a one and down in Arizona. I
don't think that supports his argument as well as maybe
Colin does, because if you look at the entirety of
those rosters, there's lots of guys that had, even for
a short period of time, outstanding runs in the in
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in college basketball, right, I mean aaron Ny Smith was
was a Vandy, not a big name. Pascal Siaka New
Mexico State, not a big name. Myles Turner was at Texas,
he was Tyrese Haliburton kind of blew up at Iowa State.
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Obi Toppin, you want to talk about great college career
or year, Obie Toppen was the best player in college
basketball in the COVID year playing for Dayton, who is
one of the best teams in college basketball. So I
just don't think, yeah, I'm just I'm not there with
Colin about Ben Mathers. Not because I don't think he's capable.
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He's fully capable, but you know his regular season numbers
is a guy he everged sixteen a game in the
NBA this year. He's a capable scorer. He's really well
suited off the bench. Forty six, eighty three, thirty four,
and you know he gives you like a six starter.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
That's what he gives you.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Here's Chris Brussar talking about the Nick search for new
head coach.
Speaker 7 (10:42):
This looks like amateur hour for the Knicks, and the
reports of that Dolan is the one that essentially fired Thibodeau.
The owner, James Dolan, and that's what it looks like,
because there has been nothing that Leon Rose and Worldwide
West William Wesley Haven under their tenure to make to.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Look this bad.
Speaker 7 (11:03):
Yeah, like, if you actually fire a coach and your
plan a was to go get a coach from another team,
that's lunacy. That's ridiculous and it could backfire.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Now.
Speaker 7 (11:16):
I think Tims obviously is a very good coach. I said,
I would not have fired him. But there are other
coaches you could get that maybe you know, we've seen
this work where you fire a coach that has success
and you go to another level. But this also could
backfire if they don't get the right guy in it,
because this as talented as their roster is, it's not
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there's no super duper generational star. As good as Brunton
and Carl Anthony Towns are that like, they need to
be coached. They need to be put in the proper positions.
They're not that talented where you can just bring in
a good coach and they're gonna get to the finals.
They need somebody to unearth something out of them that
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we haven't seen, like Steve Kurtin with the Warriors. And
if they get the wrong guy, this could backfire and
they could be out in the first round.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Uh yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
I mean like, look, they I like in making changes
that don't seem necessary to go in and get in
an elective surgery. Could you end up being better because
of electro surgery.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Of course you could.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
But every time you go in, you run the risk
of infection every time. And I think that's exactly where
this team is, or with this franchise is. It's like,
did you need to make this cut? No, But if
you're gonna do it, if you're going to go get
a face slift, understand there is always the chance of infection.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
That's what the Fox said.
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Speaker 3 (12:54):
Let's find out who are what is annoying? Jason Stewart.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
And now it's your annoy.
Speaker 8 (13:07):
Doug.
Speaker 9 (13:08):
Adam Silver was asked about the ratings. Now, keep in mind,
the ESPN pays a ton of money for the rights
of the NBA, so there's not going to be any
stern follow up to this. But this sounds like it's
s the NBA's front office's response to the low ratings
of the NBA Finals.
Speaker 10 (13:26):
So, we have two markets, as we've all been around
for the last week in Oklahoma City Indianapolis, that are
completely captured by the finals. I mean, every store you
go to, the signage, everyone look at this concourse here,
everybody on the streets is wearing the team colors. I mean,
and I think I've been doing this for a long time.
I don't remember being in two markets where it feels
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like so dominant to have these games. Then, as a
media matter, it's interesting people compare us to twenty years ago.
But for these games one and two so far are
the highest rated programs in May and June so far
on television, and if something beats us, it'll be another
sports program. Back twenty years ago, we often didn't win
the night when the finals were on.
Speaker 9 (14:09):
So I mean that that is some pretty amazing pr gymnastics.
Because so here here's I guess it's accurate if you're
following this. The concourse in the host city for the
NBA Finals was full last night, So that definitely shows
that people are interested. And the ratings, you can't compare
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them to twenty years ago. We didn't even win the night,
and we win the night nowadays, and that should be
the comparison. Here's the problem. When you do what I
do for a living, you have a barometer of the
kind of interest it is. I made a point yesterday
before the show that all three or four of the
TV shows that I watched in the morning to prepare
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for the show didn't lead with the NBA Finals on
the day of the NBA Finals, and that includes ESPN,
which are the rights holders. You can kind of do
the gymnastics all you want about explaining it away, but
the general interest in this finals is not there.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
It's not But the point that he made again, and
I don't know if it's accurate that they didn't win
the night on some of those nights. You know, one
of the things that we've been able to see in
politics is things that are are proven facts can be
called in the question because one person says it's just
not true.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
So I don't know if that's true.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
I do think he makes a great point, which is like, yet,
we're going by the raw ratings and we're comparing it
to ratings in the past. But if you ask yourself, honestly,
how much do you watch Network TV now as opposed
to how much you watch Network TV twenty five years ago? Right,
twenty five years ago or close to thirty years ago
when Michael Jordan ruled the NBA twenty five years ago,
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or yeah even more? Uh we Thursday night, you watched
Must see TV on NBC. Now if I asked you
what's on Thursday nights on NBC any Jay Stu.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Do you have any idea?
Speaker 8 (16:15):
No idea? Nope?
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Right.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
So his point, both of these things can be true.
The ratings can be low, and he pointed out that
politics can make things divisive. I completely think that's happened.
I think politics has really hurt the NBA because you
get people and.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
It's it's it's always.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
The irony to it is you're now in two places
that you have states who are very red states, and
they've been told that and they followed line like Lemmings
that the NBA is bad basketball. Everybody's super liberal, nobody
likes the United States. It's anti literally what it's said.
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And because it nobody, people don't watch anymore. When what
Adam Silver is saying is what he could have said,
is like, hey, here we are in red states that
are supposed to not be popular, and in the state
it's really really popular. And look, those are two collegiate areas,
Like Indianapolis is a pro sports town because they have
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the Colts and they've had the Pacers, but it's just
as much a college sports down Oklahoma City is much
more of a college area anyway. So I think that's
what he's experiencing with everybody you know, decorating windows and
everywhere you go in town. And it's not like going
to New York. It's not like going to San Francisco.
People legitimately care, which goes counter to the honestly to
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the Republican narrative that real people in the Midwest don't
like the NBA. They do, but the mainstream fan has
been told this is a divisive political issue. I think
they have those forces working against him. I actually said
thought what he said is accurate, even if it is
also true that the ratings are are fairly pathetic because
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of the market size and because you have names of
stars that don't yet resonate.
Speaker 9 (18:15):
So what's annoying about this next one is it's annoying
that I don't follow soccer or care about soccer because
there's a lot of great drama right now. I guess
the US national team is like shitting themselves as that
are playing these international games, and there are I guess
key players that are choosing to skip these games. I'm
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gonna give me some forgiveness on the pronunciation Christian Pulse policic. Policice, policic.
He did not play in the game the other night
that they lost. I don't know if he plans to
play in these games. Keep in mind, each of these
sound bites is couched by one fact. The US national
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team is going to be in the World Cup in
twenty twenty. You know what, I don't know. They get
the exception. Okay, the host country makes it so they
could shit the bed in all the qualifying matches.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Aren't there three host countries?
Speaker 8 (19:13):
Yeah, they all make it. Okay, they're all making it.
Speaker 9 (19:18):
So this is according to Chris Purfett, I think it's
the first time in the history of the World Cup
that three countries are exempt. So Landon Donovan is seeing
this team struggle in all these international matches or friendlies,
whatever you call them. And this is what Landon Donovan
said about the players that are choosing not to play.
Speaker 11 (19:39):
I can't help but think, and I said this in
the beginning of the show, this is what it means
to represent your country.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Correct, This is what it means.
Speaker 11 (19:47):
And if you don't want to take this as a
professional soccer player and someone who gets the opportunity to
wear that jersey and take it seriously and responsibly, then
don't come in.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
This is what it means.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
He's forty years old.
Speaker 11 (20:00):
He's played a long ass season, he's tired, he's out
there grinding, hurt himself in the process.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
And I can't help but.
Speaker 11 (20:08):
Think about some of our guys who are on vacation
right now, not wanting to play in the Gold Cup.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
This is what it's pissing Neils what Too was talking about.
Speaker 9 (20:15):
That's great, that's great. It's pissing Landon Donovan off that
guys are taking vacation and you got Christiano Ronaldo out
there busting his ass at forty and he just played
a long season and he's playing for Portugal now. Christian Polisic.
Polisic had this to say about Landon Donovan's criticism, and
I guess a bunch of other guys like Alexei Lawless
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on Fox and Stuff, he said this about the outside noise.
Speaker 12 (20:43):
I mean, when it comes to those guys, it's I
don't know, I guess it is. It is tough because
you know, I looked up to those guys growing up.
Some of these guys are my idols, and you know,
I respect them so much as players, and it's tough,
especially when you know some of them as well, even
you know privately, the way they can, you know, the
way they talk to me and clearly want to show
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support and you know, be your friend and everything. And
then and then it goes and they say something slightly
different publicly, and that's that's fine. You know, of all things,
you can talk about my performances whatever you want, but
to question my commitment, especially towards the national team, in
my opinion, that's that's a way out of line.
Speaker 9 (21:19):
So this is great. I love this old school versus
new school battle. The annoying part is I don't care
about your sport. If this was happening in the NFL
or even baseball, this would be an amazing like war
of words that I would be like transfixed on.
Speaker 7 (21:35):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (21:36):
But it's annoying that I don't care.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Yeah, I got to tell you my my give a
you know what meter is not very high either, at
which annoys the crap out of me. Why don't I care?
Why don't we care more about this? Don't know, but
we don't, and it's annoying anything else.
Speaker 9 (21:54):
So this happens, right if you traffic and social media,
things happen in real life. I'm gonna give you an example.
What was it? Remember Remember that convict who was up
for parole and the judge denied him parole, so he
thought it was acceptable to dive across and tackle the
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judge and try to kill her. This happened then, and
then this happened now. So I don't know if you
caught the video I shared on the group text last night,
but there was a protester who threw a glass into
the face of an of a law enforcement officer and
then was promptly tackled by what people are calling an
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undercover ice agent.
Speaker 8 (22:44):
The the perfect.
Speaker 9 (22:45):
Tackle, the perfect tackle, shoulder down, He centered himself and
completely flattened this protest.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Was amazing tackle.
Speaker 8 (22:55):
It really was.
Speaker 9 (22:56):
Yes, So I had said on the group text I
that you're going to see people be like you got
to sign him up? Yea panthers. This guy's better than
anything you have. Couldn't hurt, might as well sign this
guy up. So of course I went through the mentions
and I saw those very unimaginative tweets that I had predicted,
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so annoying people who see a tackle in real life
and just want to take a dig at their team
for their defense and say sign them up because it
couldn't hurt. And just a little insight, it could hurt.
If the Panthers signed that guy from Ice last night,
I don't think you'd be as good as what they
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have right now.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
The whole discussion is funny that people start to take
something serious it's clearly not serious. That one is annoying
as well. It's it's awesome. We started the radio show
talking about this. It's very cliche to say, and we're
told not to be cliche, but sometimes cliches are in
fact true.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
But it was.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
I'm still impressed by the hit. I'm just I'm not
gonna lie to yet. I didn't realize that was a
woman that he was tackling.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
That probably was surprised to me.
Speaker 8 (24:07):
I don't think it was either, was it.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Oh, I thought that's what you said? I thought, no, guy,
it was a guy who clearly had to come to him.
Speaker 9 (24:14):
So Adam Silver's uh mental gymnastics to explain little ratings,
uh huh, soccer war of words that we don't care about.
And then the uh, the unimaginative comments about tackles in
real life.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Hmmm, I'm gonna go.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
With the unimaginative comments about tackles in real life. Don't
be cliche, don't take the low hanging fruit. Challenge yourself
to be better.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
That's annoyed.
Speaker 8 (24:46):
Why are we doing this?
Speaker 6 (24:47):
I do.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Because we can.
Speaker 9 (24:54):
Mike McDaniel is the head coach of the Dolphins, and
he got a little bit testy to a question.
Speaker 13 (25:00):
I don't personally and I would lump you into this
with me. I don't give a shit about what I feel.
I'm not. I don't even really go down that road
of how do I feel about it? My job is
to react and control my controllables and make sure that
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people are moving in one direction appropriately.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
I actually really like that comment, really like it, and
I like it because that's the reality of the job.
Let you have to let every everybody else can have
your feelings. You just gotta gotta react and read the
room and do the best thing you can, because if
you get too caught up in your feelings, then you're behind,
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and being overly emotional behind is not the.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Place to be as a coach.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
It's actually a really really good telling cut. How can
we play it for you?
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Because we can.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
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iHeartRadio out Do any of us know if JJ Spawn.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Is any good? I bring it up because JJ Spawn
is the twenty fifth ranked player in the world. Right,
And he shot a bogie free four under sixty six
time for the lowest opening round score in US Open history.
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And remember everyone's talking about everyone's talking about the fact
that this course, the setup is just incredibly hard. Par
probably wins, maybe even over par. And he shoots a
four under bogie free round. This is a guy who
has one career win on the PGA Tour, the twenty
twenty two Valero Texas Open.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Right.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
He began his career on the PGA Tour Canada. Raise
your hand if you're not a golf guy and you
knew the PGA Tour Canada actually existed, I had no idea.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
He's San Diego State guy.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
He's a great college golfer, Mountain two time Mountain West Golfer.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Of the Year.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
He's married and he's got two daughters, Emerson and Violet
Good names, good names. So guy seems like a fairly
regular dude, right, fairly regular dude, like so many of
us from California, he came from somewhere else. I think
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he's like half Filipino, half Mexican. He's a really unique story.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
But did you.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Actually know who JJ spawn was before I started talking
about him on your on this podcast? The answer is now, oh,
so okay, that's fair right, I mean, like Buyer, I know,
Buyer's like, well, JJ Spa is like a great college golfer.
He's twenty fifth right put. But to those of us
in the mainstream, we're like, I never heard. So here's
(02:24):
the here's the metaphor. The guy who goes out and
shoots an opening round four under bogie free round feels
like he's the uh, the guy in the opening scene
in a horror movie, or you know, he's not going
to be around for the end of the movie, but
for whatever reason, you get fully engaged with this guy.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Like, oh, don't go in there.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Oh now, full disclosure, I don't like horror movies.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
I just don't like seeing people die.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
You know, yeah, I don't. I'm a scaredy cat. Don't
like heights don't like horror movies. But it's not so
much people dying, it's the the intentionally murdering somebody in
(03:19):
because in a horror movie sort of way. Anyway, Uh,
this feels like the the the unknown actor in the
first scene in a horror movie is who JJ spawn
essentially is. You'll get to love him, you hear his story.
He's awesome, and then he's not gonna you know, he'll
(03:41):
make the cut, but he'll be nowhere to be found
on Saturday or on Sunday, nowhere.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
To be found.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
It's like, for whatever reason, you know, golf is Brooks.
Koepka's obviously right there, but you know he's just beginning
to play. But he's well early, you know, Scotti, Scheffler finished,
He's even through through like three holes.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
When we're recording this, I don't know who it'll be.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
If it's Scheffler, if it's Speeth, if it's Rory, who
it'll be. But it does feel like the guy who
goes out early and goes low is the guy who's
the first first unknown dude in a horror film because
he's not going to survive the weekend. And much like
(04:32):
the guy in the horror film will not survive the
opening scene.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
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Speaker 3 (04:46):
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Speaker 2 (04:53):
Every day at this time The Doug Gottlieb Show. In
the Bonus Podcast, they played for you a portion of
a previous show Fox Sports Radio. Fox Sports.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Here's Ded Patrick talk about the NBA Finals.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
I was looking for an analogy, a comparison outside of
sports with the NBA Finals. And if you've ever gone
to a movie and you come home and all of
a sudden you say, this movie was great, and then
all of a sudden, it's who was in it? Hmm
this guy?
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Remember this guy?
Speaker 5 (05:23):
And he would hmm, okay, you know what, let me
google it and then I'll tell you who this is.
Like the usual suspects, there are no real stars in
there at the time, like Gabriel Byrne, Kevin Spacey. They
were all good actors and then all of a sudden,
you go, man, this movie it was wild, it was
(05:43):
really good.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Who's in it?
Speaker 5 (05:45):
Oh, that guy and maybe that guy you know one
of the Baldwin brothers. I'm not sure which one. It's like,
it's not Steve. I don't know, maybe it's Steven. It's
not Alan, Kevin Pollack, you remember.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
You had that.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
You kind of have that with the NBA Final.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
You do, you do.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
It's it's just hard for non name brands, you know,
it just is. And I enjoyed last night. Last night
was a good basketball game, enjoyable watch home team wins.
Ben Mathrain was amazing. But it's just hard when you're
so hardwired that this league is a star driven league
(06:32):
and we've been so lucky to go from Kobe to
Lebron to Steph and Kad you know occasionally Kawhi Leonard
or whatever, like you just have stars, and we're just
not there with this group. So it is a little
bit of Billy Baldwin. It is a little bit of
(06:55):
you know, Bill Clinton's brother. It is a little bit
of that that it's like a B movie. Not the
B movie. I kind of like B movie.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Anyway. Here's Colin Cowherd talk about the Pacers bed methroom.
Speaker 6 (07:07):
How about Ben Mathern, how about that guy, how about
that young guy? Got a little Westbrook right with a
little more refinement. He was a hockey and a football
player in Canada. He goes to Arizona one year in
college dominates. Next year he's gonna be one of the
best players in the league. You're gonna talk about Cooper
Flag and that kid's gonna give you twenty two a night.
He has wild confidence and per minute. I think he
(07:30):
may be the Pacers leading score per minute.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
What a stud. I saw you call him Russell Westbrook
last night.
Speaker 6 (07:35):
No he does he but oh no, So I went
and I looked up his Wikipedia stuff. He was a
hockey guy, in a football guy, in a basketball guy.
He goes to Arizona, is a dominant college player, and
you know he's a one and done guy. But he's
a guy that when he's on the floor is just
instant energy for them. I mean you can see, folks,
you can talk about all these players. We're gonna pay
(07:56):
attention to Cooper Flag next year and Wemby and the
young player. This kid is dynamic.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Man.
Speaker 6 (08:03):
He is caught. He was like that in call. I
boughted him like twice in college.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Uh yeah, I mean, look, Ben Mathene is just he's
one of these guys that when he gets hot and
runs a heater. He can give you, you know, twenty
two in limited ad minutes. But look, as we started
the radio show with, we're told when you first get
in this business to not be cliche. But one of
(08:31):
the NBA cliches is road players play. I mean, excuse me,
role players play better at home. And Ben Matherine is
just that. And he lived up to that. He really
lived up to that entire mantra right here. He is
a role player playing unbelievably unbelievable basketball and doing it
(08:56):
at home, which means that probably in game four war
he'll be non existent. In Game five, he'll struggle because
he's on the road. But you know, look, he can
tell that tale Collins tail about a lot of these guys.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
You know, and their and their exploits.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
It's like using the fact that he was a very
good player as a one and down in Arizona. I
don't think that supports his argument as well as maybe
Colin does, because if you look at the entirety of
those rosters, there's lots of guys that had, even for
a short period of time, outstanding runs in the in
(09:33):
in college basketball, right, I mean aaron Ny Smith was
was a Vandy, not a big name. Pascal Siaka New
Mexico State, not a big name. Myles Turner was at Texas,
he was Tyrese Haliburton kind of blew up at Iowa State.
(09:54):
Obi Toppin, you want to talk about great college career
or year, Obie Toppen was the best player in college
basketball in the COVID year playing for Dayton, who is
one of the best teams in college basketball. So I
just don't think, yeah, I'm just I'm not there with
Colin about Ben Mathers. Not because I don't think he's capable.
(10:15):
He's fully capable, but you know his regular season numbers
is a guy he everged sixteen a game in the
NBA this year. He's a capable scorer. He's really well
suited off the bench. Forty six, eighty three, thirty four,
and you know he gives you like a six starter.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
That's what he gives you.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Here's Chris Brussar talking about the Nick search for new
head coach.
Speaker 7 (10:42):
This looks like amateur hour for the Knicks, and the
reports of that Dolan is the one that essentially fired Thibodeau.
The owner, James Dolan, and that's what it looks like,
because there has been nothing that Leon Rose and Worldwide
West William Wesley Haven under their tenure to make to.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Look this bad.
Speaker 7 (11:03):
Yeah, like, if you actually fire a coach and your
plan a was to go get a coach from another team,
that's lunacy. That's ridiculous and it could backfire.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Now.
Speaker 7 (11:16):
I think Tims obviously is a very good coach. I said,
I would not have fired him. But there are other
coaches you could get that maybe you know, we've seen
this work where you fire a coach that has success
and you go to another level. But this also could
backfire if they don't get the right guy in it,
because this as talented as their roster is, it's not
(11:37):
there's no super duper generational star. As good as Brunton
and Carl Anthony Towns are that like, they need to
be coached. They need to be put in the proper positions.
They're not that talented where you can just bring in
a good coach and they're gonna get to the finals.
They need somebody to unearth something out of them that
(11:58):
we haven't seen, like Steve Kurtin with the Warriors. And
if they get the wrong guy, this could backfire and
they could be out in the first round.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Uh yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
I mean like, look, they I like in making changes
that don't seem necessary to go in and get in
an elective surgery. Could you end up being better because
of electro surgery.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Of course you could.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
But every time you go in, you run the risk
of infection every time. And I think that's exactly where
this team is, or with this franchise is. It's like,
did you need to make this cut? No, But if
you're gonna do it, if you're going to go get
a face slift, understand there is always the chance of infection.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
That's what the Fox said.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Do say. Be sure to catch live editions of The
Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Let's find out who are what is annoying? Jason Stewart.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
And now it's your annoy.
Speaker 8 (13:07):
Doug.
Speaker 9 (13:08):
Adam Silver was asked about the ratings. Now, keep in mind,
the ESPN pays a ton of money for the rights
of the NBA, so there's not going to be any
stern follow up to this. But this sounds like it's
s the NBA's front office's response to the low ratings
of the NBA Finals.
Speaker 10 (13:26):
So, we have two markets, as we've all been around
for the last week in Oklahoma City Indianapolis, that are
completely captured by the finals. I mean, every store you
go to, the signage, everyone look at this concourse here,
everybody on the streets is wearing the team colors. I mean,
and I think I've been doing this for a long time.
I don't remember being in two markets where it feels
(13:47):
like so dominant to have these games. Then, as a
media matter, it's interesting people compare us to twenty years ago.
But for these games one and two so far are
the highest rated programs in May and June so far
on television, and if something beats us, it'll be another
sports program. Back twenty years ago, we often didn't win
the night when the finals were on.
Speaker 9 (14:09):
So I mean that that is some pretty amazing pr gymnastics.
Because so here here's I guess it's accurate if you're
following this. The concourse in the host city for the
NBA Finals was full last night, So that definitely shows
that people are interested. And the ratings, you can't compare
(14:30):
them to twenty years ago. We didn't even win the night,
and we win the night nowadays, and that should be
the comparison. Here's the problem. When you do what I
do for a living, you have a barometer of the
kind of interest it is. I made a point yesterday
before the show that all three or four of the
TV shows that I watched in the morning to prepare
(14:51):
for the show didn't lead with the NBA Finals on
the day of the NBA Finals, and that includes ESPN,
which are the rights holders. You can kind of do
the gymnastics all you want about explaining it away, but
the general interest in this finals is not there.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
It's not But the point that he made again, and
I don't know if it's accurate that they didn't win
the night on some of those nights. You know, one
of the things that we've been able to see in
politics is things that are are proven facts can be
called in the question because one person says it's just
not true.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
So I don't know if that's true.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
I do think he makes a great point, which is like, yet,
we're going by the raw ratings and we're comparing it
to ratings in the past. But if you ask yourself, honestly,
how much do you watch Network TV now as opposed
to how much you watch Network TV twenty five years ago? Right,
twenty five years ago or close to thirty years ago
when Michael Jordan ruled the NBA twenty five years ago,
(15:57):
or yeah even more? Uh we Thursday night, you watched
Must see TV on NBC. Now if I asked you
what's on Thursday nights on NBC any Jay Stu.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Do you have any idea?
Speaker 8 (16:15):
No idea? Nope?
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Right.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
So his point, both of these things can be true.
The ratings can be low, and he pointed out that
politics can make things divisive. I completely think that's happened.
I think politics has really hurt the NBA because you
get people and.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
It's it's it's always.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
The irony to it is you're now in two places
that you have states who are very red states, and
they've been told that and they followed line like Lemmings
that the NBA is bad basketball. Everybody's super liberal, nobody
likes the United States. It's anti literally what it's said.
(16:59):
And because it nobody, people don't watch anymore. When what
Adam Silver is saying is what he could have said,
is like, hey, here we are in red states that
are supposed to not be popular, and in the state
it's really really popular. And look, those are two collegiate areas,
Like Indianapolis is a pro sports town because they have
(17:19):
the Colts and they've had the Pacers, but it's just
as much a college sports down Oklahoma City is much
more of a college area anyway. So I think that's
what he's experiencing with everybody you know, decorating windows and
everywhere you go in town. And it's not like going
to New York. It's not like going to San Francisco.
People legitimately care, which goes counter to the honestly to
(17:44):
the Republican narrative that real people in the Midwest don't
like the NBA. They do, but the mainstream fan has
been told this is a divisive political issue. I think
they have those forces working against him. I actually said
thought what he said is accurate, even if it is
also true that the ratings are are fairly pathetic because
(18:09):
of the market size and because you have names of
stars that don't yet resonate.
Speaker 9 (18:15):
So what's annoying about this next one is it's annoying
that I don't follow soccer or care about soccer because
there's a lot of great drama right now. I guess
the US national team is like shitting themselves as that
are playing these international games, and there are I guess
key players that are choosing to skip these games. I'm
(18:36):
gonna give me some forgiveness on the pronunciation Christian Pulse policic. Policice, policic.
He did not play in the game the other night
that they lost. I don't know if he plans to
play in these games. Keep in mind, each of these
sound bites is couched by one fact. The US national
(18:57):
team is going to be in the World Cup in
twenty twenty. You know what, I don't know. They get
the exception. Okay, the host country makes it so they
could shit the bed in all the qualifying matches.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Aren't there three host countries?
Speaker 8 (19:13):
Yeah, they all make it. Okay, they're all making it.
Speaker 9 (19:18):
So this is according to Chris Purfett, I think it's
the first time in the history of the World Cup
that three countries are exempt. So Landon Donovan is seeing
this team struggle in all these international matches or friendlies,
whatever you call them. And this is what Landon Donovan
said about the players that are choosing not to play.
Speaker 11 (19:39):
I can't help but think, and I said this in
the beginning of the show, this is what it means
to represent your country.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Correct, This is what it means.
Speaker 11 (19:47):
And if you don't want to take this as a
professional soccer player and someone who gets the opportunity to
wear that jersey and take it seriously and responsibly, then
don't come in.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
This is what it means.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
He's forty years old.
Speaker 11 (20:00):
He's played a long ass season, he's tired, he's out
there grinding, hurt himself in the process.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
And I can't help but.
Speaker 11 (20:08):
Think about some of our guys who are on vacation
right now, not wanting to play in the Gold Cup.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
This is what it's pissing Neils what Too was talking about.
Speaker 9 (20:15):
That's great, that's great. It's pissing Landon Donovan off that
guys are taking vacation and you got Christiano Ronaldo out
there busting his ass at forty and he just played
a long season and he's playing for Portugal now. Christian Polisic.
Polisic had this to say about Landon Donovan's criticism, and
I guess a bunch of other guys like Alexei Lawless
(20:39):
on Fox and Stuff, he said this about the outside noise.
Speaker 12 (20:43):
I mean, when it comes to those guys, it's I
don't know, I guess it is. It is tough because
you know, I looked up to those guys growing up.
Some of these guys are my idols, and you know,
I respect them so much as players, and it's tough,
especially when you know some of them as well, even
you know privately, the way they can, you know, the
way they talk to me and clearly want to show
(21:03):
support and you know, be your friend and everything. And
then and then it goes and they say something slightly
different publicly, and that's that's fine. You know, of all things,
you can talk about my performances whatever you want, but
to question my commitment, especially towards the national team, in
my opinion, that's that's a way out of line.
Speaker 9 (21:19):
So this is great. I love this old school versus
new school battle. The annoying part is I don't care
about your sport. If this was happening in the NFL
or even baseball, this would be an amazing like war
of words that I would be like transfixed on.
Speaker 7 (21:35):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (21:36):
But it's annoying that I don't care.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Yeah, I got to tell you my my give a
you know what meter is not very high either, at
which annoys the crap out of me. Why don't I care?
Why don't we care more about this? Don't know, but
we don't, and it's annoying anything else.
Speaker 9 (21:54):
So this happens, right if you traffic and social media,
things happen in real life. I'm gonna give you an example.
What was it? Remember Remember that convict who was up
for parole and the judge denied him parole, so he
thought it was acceptable to dive across and tackle the
(22:18):
judge and try to kill her. This happened then, and
then this happened now. So I don't know if you
caught the video I shared on the group text last night,
but there was a protester who threw a glass into
the face of an of a law enforcement officer and
then was promptly tackled by what people are calling an
(22:41):
undercover ice agent.
Speaker 8 (22:44):
The the perfect.
Speaker 9 (22:45):
Tackle, the perfect tackle, shoulder down, He centered himself and
completely flattened this protest.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Was amazing tackle.
Speaker 8 (22:55):
It really was.
Speaker 9 (22:56):
Yes, So I had said on the group text I
that you're going to see people be like you got
to sign him up? Yea panthers. This guy's better than
anything you have. Couldn't hurt, might as well sign this
guy up. So of course I went through the mentions
and I saw those very unimaginative tweets that I had predicted,
(23:18):
so annoying people who see a tackle in real life
and just want to take a dig at their team
for their defense and say sign them up because it
couldn't hurt. And just a little insight, it could hurt.
If the Panthers signed that guy from Ice last night,
I don't think you'd be as good as what they
(23:38):
have right now.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
The whole discussion is funny that people start to take
something serious it's clearly not serious. That one is annoying
as well. It's it's awesome. We started the radio show
talking about this. It's very cliche to say, and we're
told not to be cliche, but sometimes cliches are in
fact true.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
But it was.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
I'm still impressed by the hit. I'm just I'm not
gonna lie to yet. I didn't realize that was a
woman that he was tackling.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
That probably was surprised to me.
Speaker 8 (24:07):
I don't think it was either, was it.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Oh, I thought that's what you said? I thought, no, guy,
it was a guy who clearly had to come to him.
Speaker 9 (24:14):
So Adam Silver's uh mental gymnastics to explain little ratings,
uh huh, soccer war of words that we don't care about.
And then the uh, the unimaginative comments about tackles in
real life.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Hmmm, I'm gonna go.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
With the unimaginative comments about tackles in real life. Don't
be cliche, don't take the low hanging fruit. Challenge yourself
to be better.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
That's annoyed.
Speaker 8 (24:46):
Why are we doing this?
Speaker 6 (24:47):
I do.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Because we can.
Speaker 9 (24:54):
Mike McDaniel is the head coach of the Dolphins, and
he got a little bit testy to a question.
Speaker 13 (25:00):
I don't personally and I would lump you into this
with me. I don't give a shit about what I feel.
I'm not. I don't even really go down that road
of how do I feel about it? My job is
to react and control my controllables and make sure that
(25:25):
people are moving in one direction appropriately.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
I actually really like that comment, really like it, and
I like it because that's the reality of the job.
Let you have to let every everybody else can have
your feelings. You just gotta gotta react and read the
room and do the best thing you can, because if
you get too caught up in your feelings, then you're behind,
(25:52):
and being overly emotional behind is not the.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Place to be as a coach.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
It's actually a really really good telling cut. How can
we play it for you?
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Because we can.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
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