June 23, 2025 • 40 mins
Doug riffs on Skip Bayless and his regrettable post on X from the weekend. Doug reacts to Dan Beyer's take on the Thunder. Doug chooses among deserving candidates Jason Stewart deems as most annoying today. Plus, Doug has some choice words for Joy Taylor.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Here's in
the bonus with Doug gottlie What I'm.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Doug Gottlieb Show. In the bonus Fox Sports Radio. iHeartRadio
app Do Do Do Do Do Pet? So you know,
I know we're supposed to talk about sports, and this
is sort of about sports. But I think it's time
to get my pound a flash a little bit here,
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just because there are there's probably about five things I've
had to do in my broadcasting career that I actually
kicked myself for, and uh, this is one of them.
So yesterday, actually last night, I was watching the NBA Finals.
It's actually kind of cool. Like so, my my son's
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Christmas present was he loves he loves Underground Wrap, especially
so last year we went to one day at Summer Smaster,
which is in Chicago at Sea Geek Stadium, and it's
a three day music festival. I do say music with
the quotations because it's not a lot of there's no
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instruments being played. Nonetheless, the dude's happy, right, your son
is happy, you're hanging and you're trying to be world's
best at so and again I don't have to humble brag.
I'm going to there's a VIP area, and then part
of the VIP area is like there's the open air stage.
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I think there's like twenty thousand like kids, mosh bits whatever.
I want no part of that. And then there's like
a you saw where Caleb Williams was. He's in like
the diamond section and I'm just the regular vipm Behind that,
there's like some food trucks kind of like a chill
out area, and there's probably twenty of us at our
parents that are just you know, like, hey, stuff is
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going on at those concerts. You know, you want to
be there and help your kid if they need it,
need you, right, and it's not gonna drop them off
and leave and then go do a bunch of things.
So I'm back there and I'm and there's a couple
of Don Tolliver's first night. It's pretty cool. Came in
on parachutes, right, and uh, young thug who's I think
just released from jail was last night. It's actually really
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really good anyway, So I'm watching the game and meanwhile
I see Tyre's Haliburton go down. Now granted it didn't happen,
it didn't happen at game time, but I think it
was seven nineteen, so the game was just about to start,
and Skip Bayless tweeted the Pacers brilliantly took the big
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game pressure off Halliburton, who routinely no shows, by planting
the injury excuse that the media swallowed a whole right,
So it's on Twitter, and then all of a sudden,
Tyrese Haliburton goes down with a torn achilles tendon and
i'll shortly thereafter, Skip starts trying to tweet his way
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out of it. But it's embarrassing, right, he basically said,
And he's not the only one, but he basically said
that he wasn't hurt, and because he wasn't hurt, that's
why he wasn't playing. He just wasn't playing well and
it was an injury excuse. So Jay STUW, you worked
in the same building, so you know this to be true.
(03:26):
Skip Bayless ran his own shop, He was everything for
his for his show Undisputed, And when I got to
take the job, and I forever I'm forever upset with
myself over this. So I was under contract with CBS
and I had I don't know six months left, and
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I wanted to get back out to California and I
wanted to do Fox Television. At the time, a good
friend of mine, Jamie Horowitz, was running was running the
day to day the daily shows, and Jamie is responsible
for being Colin and Skip to Fox Sports one right.
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But in order to work at Fox Sports one at
the time, I had to be kind of U. I
had to make nice and kiss the ring with Skip
Bayless and what does that look like? I had to
send him a couple of texts, set up a phone
call and I didn't grovel, but I didn't feel good
about it, and that goes back to Skip didn't like me,
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and he didn't like me because I was on back
when it was first and ten, I would be on
opposite him and he said ridiculous shit and I would
call him on ridiculous shit, not to the point where
what Jalen Rose did or what Ryan Rossillo did. But
Ryan and Jalen didn't want to work at Fox Sports
at the time, so they weren't going to grovel and
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kiss the ring. I kissed the ring and I fucking
hate myself for it. I don't know Skip Bayless, the
person I don't. But I also don't understand how anybody
who wants to be like the king of debate can't
handle when somebody comes at them and the debate and
nothing I ever said, Like I thought Jalen was way
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out of line when he called him water pistol, you know,
water pistol pete and brought up his his high school stats.
Let's get clearly lied about whatever. And you know, some
of these guys are so insecure they want to lie
about who they were and lie about what they did.
And it's not any different than ninety five percent of
the people. How many guys will tell you that, you know,
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I drank fifty beers like you had five. I was
sitting next to you the whole night. Well, I slip
with one hundred women, Like, dude, you couldn't get laid with,
you know, in a whorehouse with one hundred million dollars,
Like what are you even talking about? Hey, so, you know,
blowing up your high school stats and although you did
it on national TV, it's not a great look. And
the Internet's going to always google whatever. Who cares. I
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don't but the level of whether it's control but he's
a control freak or insecurity. I'm not sure, but God,
I hated that. God I hated that. Did you know
any of that, jayse dou Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
I mean they've hid him much more money than anyone
they'd ever paid to do talk content, and as a
part of that compensation came full autonomy over who would
work with him and produce him, and who he'd be
around to be frank and who wouldn't he wouldn't be around.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Yeah, I just I never felt good about it ever,
and I wanted to get it off my chest. And
it was a real thing. There was a story about it,
and you didn't have to say, oh, Skip be the greatest,
but you just had to make him feel like, yeah, fine,
he could be in the building. And one time I
was on Undisputed, he wasn't on. I was never on since.
And today we're getting my pound of flesh for people
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who I think, I think are shitty to other people.
So when I'm watching Halliburton laying there and this is
a thing that I never do. I don't think I've
ever said somebody is faking an injury. I think you
fake an injury. I think you're asking the gods of
karma to make you really hurt, make you really hurt.
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And you know, obviously part of the water pistol pete
thing that Jaylen Rose is like, he never played, So
no one who This is a real thing, right, no
one who? And it's I think NBA players think the
same thing of Stephen A. Smith. If you never played
a sport at a high level, they actually don't respect you.
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They don't. The only guy I think they do respect
who never did anything sports wise is probably a guy
like Costas and maybe Dan, although you know Dan played
low college basketball. He he did end up, you know,
walking on whatever. I think he played at Easter before
Eastern Kentucky before he went back to Dayton. But you
know Dan played. But more than anything, you grew up
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Keith and Dan, and he's never thrown out. Dan is
not an analyst, right, Nor does he have these hot
takes and does come at people or has he questioned
people the validity of people's injuries, Like if you didn't
play a sport at a high level, they don't fucking
respect what you say about their sport. They just don't.
So yeah, I was kind of happy that he got
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fucking run over like a truck on Twitter last night.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
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Speaker 2 (08:36):
Let's Get the Fox Says, and now every day this
time when the Doug Gottlieb Show. In the Bonus Podcast,
we play for you a portion of a previous show
Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports One. Here's Dan Patrick talking
about with Gilbert A. Renas they're talking about Tyre's Haliburton's injury.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
I mentioned Halliburton. Ten years from now will remember him,
but it's because of the postseason run Game one and
then blowing out his achilles. So I think if we
just say his name, I think we'll remember that ten
years from now.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
I think he'll be more remembered for the Eastern Conference
Finals what he did to the New York Knicks, because
that was a big series. That was like one of
those series because it was New York and all the
exposure on it and he showed up. I think he
would be more remembered for that series than really what
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happened in the finals.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
You talked to a couple of guys who have blown
out their achilles, and they had there was a commonality
to that of you have a calf injury, so you
talk to Tatum and Dame Lillard and then you see Halliburton.
We shouldn't be surprised that this happened.
Speaker 6 (09:44):
No, no, we should not. You know, I think we
all thought about it. I think Kendrick Perkins mentioned that
he shouldn't play in Game six because of what has
happened in the past. I don't remember ever when strains
turned into Achille tears from the past.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Gill's right, and uh again at the time of this recording,
just so we're just just so we're being you know,
we want to be honest with you guys. On the
radio show, we we we booked Riley with doctor Riley Williams.
He's the head team surgeon for the Brooklyn Nets. I
believe he's going to do Tyre's Haliburton's surgery tonight. Okay,
(10:29):
so we're recording this before the radio show. Surgeon's tight,
he's supposed to join us. He gets back to New
York and then pop into his office hoping the phone
with us and go to surgery. Pretty cool thing. Again,
I don't know if it comes through. I'm again hopeful,
but he's got a busy day, and I think we're
not on the important scale of operating on Tyre's Haliburton.
(10:50):
But I brought him on one to talk about Achilles
tendon surgeries and and advances that have been made Aaron
Rodgers surgery and how quickly he recovered and whatever, but
also on how much this has happened recently. And I
heard Colin talk about it earlier today and you know,
got what he got A shortened the playoffs? Like okay,
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but Kirk Cousins, who else? Aaron Rodgers? What was the
running back of the Rams? Was it kyra and Williams?
Was that? Who it was? That was cam Akers?
Speaker 5 (11:25):
Right?
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Yeah? Cut out the Kyraen Wims cam Akers towards Achilles
tenant and he was like in his third year, second
year in the NFL. So it's not an age thing.
I don't believe it's a basketball thing. Yes, I did
talk to I spoke with two foot and ankle physicians
earlier today and they did say that calf strains are
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a sign of weakness, and obviously that means it puts
more stress on the Achilles tendon. And that's real thing.
Whether Gilbert knows it or not whatever. Again, that's what's happened.
But I do think there has to be something in
how we're building bodies as athletes. And I don't think
it's about the you know, you know, skipping leg day
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because Tyrese Halburtn is not big up top, right, has
to be in how we build bodies or whatever. But
it's definitely a thing. Has nothing to do with high
tops and low tops. It has nothing to do with Nikes.
He was wearing Pumas and Damian Lillard was wearing Adidas. Stop.
That doesn't have to do with the court because it's
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happening on a football field as well. So I don't
know what it's about, but I'm like you could. I'm
literally there'd be one guy every couple of years who
popped his achilles, And now we had three stars in
the playoffs tear of their achilles. Two star quarterbacks in
the last two years pop their achilles. Other players act
there's a kid I'm trying to think which one who's
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getting ready for the NBA draft who popped his achilles.
It's terrible. It has to be in how we're building bodies.
Has to be. But Gilbert is right, I don't remember
it happening this often. I don't remember people having to
be this fearful of Terry Achilles ten and when when
I played, and I've been, you know, playing sports my
whole life. Could it be about only playing one sport?
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It could be, But again I brought up football players,
and Aaron Rodgers was a basketball player, Kirk Cousins, others,
they played other sports as well. Here's Dan Byer. He
explained to Mike Harmon, why the thunder of the worst
NBA champion in his lifetime?
Speaker 7 (13:27):
For what makes you so mad about Game six with
Oklahoma City or what makes you so mad about the Pacers?
And how we look at the NBA and how we
look at the regular season. There's just no way that
these teams with their faults, are better than any of
the champions that we've seen. And you take even the
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past couple of years where we've had these one off championships,
if you will, I feel like Golden State was still
an extension kind of of their of their wins.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Last yet that old dynastic approach.
Speaker 7 (13:59):
You look back at the Raptors team that kind of
came out of I don't want to say came out
of nowhere, because they were a good team that year,
but I don't think anybody legitimately thought that they were
an NBA title winning team. And I just point to
the fact of Pascal Siakam was probably the second best
player on that team, or maybe third, depending on how
you want to look at a Kuhi was number one.
But I'll even say just you know, maybe the robin
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to Kawhi at that point, and you look at all
the pieces that were on him, with Fred van Vliet
and Kyle Laurie and Danny Green and others, that team
is significantly better than this Oklahoma City team.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Well, I mean, I thought the one that was the
best was you know, the Thunder team that lost in
the NBA Finals, you know, Kevin Durant and James Harden,
or even the one that was down those up three
games to one to the Golden State Warriors. Right. Yeah, again,
I'm not actually gonna disagree. And here's what will happen.
(14:57):
I have lots of friends in Oklahoma City, obviously, and
in the Oaklahoma City Thunder organization, some really really good friends,
really good friends. But I do think we're it's a
little bit of an injustice what we're doing to like
Shay Gildess Alexander, he was the MVP of the league.
They did have the best record in the regular season,
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had one of the best records last year in the NBA.
They have the second best record last year in the NBA.
So it's not that crazy, right, It's just not it's
that we this is rare. Normally a team like this
would have like last year. You know, they lost to
the Dallas Mavericks. This year, you get back and maybe
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you get to the finals and against the powerhouse, or
maybe you lose in the conference finals, or you lose
to to the Denver Nuggets. But again you go back
and play it out. This has happened before in the NBA.
Matter of fact, it has more often you think that
teams have injuries it affects the playoffs. Thomas likes to
like to say how much he beat the Boston Celtics
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before they won their back to back titles. Larry Bird
didn't play one year because Larry Bird had a bad back, right,
And there's another year we had the bone spurs removed
from his heels. But I think it was the back
that kept him out one year. You know, Magic Johnson,
Magic Johnson got hurt. That was that was That was
one of the years that the Celtics I think won.
He pulled his hamstring like you go back. But we've
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also we've had some of these kind of random NBA
champions over the last six or seven years. You know,
the Toronto Raptors, they were a good team. Kawi Leonard
was a great player, but I mean, Golden State was
far superior and the West was far superior. Part of
it is the imbalance in West to East, and then
the West was just injured. And the new salary cap
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structure has made it so that, you know, the most
you can really have is two star players, and most
of the guys to become star players are a little
bit up there in age, and so they get hurt.
But I'm gonna I don't know if I totally agree,
because the last couple of years it's been a little suspect.
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I don't think the Bucks were great. And if you
could say, well, Yannis is an all time great player. Okay,
he's basically a bigger version of Shay in that he
was the MVP that year, Shae's the MVP this year,
and they had an interesting team kind of around them.
(17:31):
He may be more right than he is wrong, and
if people in Oklahoma don't like it, who cares. They're
still champions. But it may say something about where we're
headed with the NBA. That's what the Fox said say.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
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Speaker 2 (17:55):
Let's find out who are what is annoying? Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 6 (18:07):
Doug.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Something real annoying happened this weekend. I want to say
it was Saturday because it was in the Fever and
wasn't fever aces game. Sure, Rebecca Lobos Sunday, she's on
Team A team one. Oh, yesterday, Okay, Rebecca Lobo was
on the call, and this unfortunate thing happened.
Speaker 8 (18:31):
So they disagree with you, they do, and I disagree
with them, and that's fine.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
That's what makes America.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Great, right, Pat Moore, I should rephrase.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
That, yes, yeah, I did. The opinion are perfectly yes.
That's a better way to say. Sorry.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Well, okay, I will say this. I'm guessing Patrick, our editor,
I'm going to shout out to Patrick, and then I'm
just going to give him some constructive criticism. There's twenty
three seconds of silence after says that's what makes America great.
I wanted to feel that twenty three seconds Patrick thought
it was more efficient to trim it up and maybe
(19:08):
go right to the other broadcast sound. That's fine. His
editorial choice the wrong choice, and we'll be sure to
pass on that note for any listener that is wondering
what's going on around here. Twenty three uncomfortable seconds after
saying that's what makes America great, and then she apologizes, Doug.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
I mean, I they can't help themselves, can they? Right?
Can't help themselves. It is kind of the brilliance to
the simplicity of the message from our president. But it's
just like they can't help themselves. Like, just keep going
if you happen to if you don't agree with the
president or you don't like the MAGA movement like that,
(19:51):
that's fine. But again, by stopping your calling attention to it,
and then you're making without making a political statement, you're
making a political statement. So I yeah, it's it's what
day was that? By the way, was that Sunday? Yesterday, right, Yeah,
so that's after our country launched launch bombs drop bombs
(20:13):
on nuclear facilities in Iran. Yeah, just again, not the time,
not the time, and maybe maybe that's maybe that's kind
of what they were trying to get to. And I
thought Pam Wood tried to clean it up there. Obviously
we know what Rebecca Lobo meant by it, but yeah,
not at the time.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Here's what Rebecca Lobo meant by it. She meant by
it what almost every human being in the history of
our country has meant by it. When they said, that's
what americ's America great. Yeah, the ability to disagree without
any any punishment. And imagine a time and place where
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we're at. We're during a an American sports broadcast. Someone
has to feel guilty for uttering three words. That's what
makes America great. Caleb Williams, he's on you know what
he reminds me of. He reminds me of the person
(21:14):
that was on the offending end of the of I
don't know what you would call it, cheating, adultery, the
person that was the violator and the adultery term. And
now he is forever in guilt mode trying to make
(21:34):
it up to Bears fans forever in guilt mode. So
if Bears fans want something from Caleb, you know a
Caleb see him in the in the restaurant, could you
buy my meal? I'm a Bears fan. I think Caleb
will do it. He's in forever guilt mode. And this
was him on Saturday talking about Packers fans. I mean
(21:58):
after the game.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
I've been one of at Lambeau, one of these at
Lambo right now.
Speaker 7 (22:03):
So obviously you're trying to do the Lambeau leap and
we actually try to jump in in the crowd where
our fans were.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
It just I mean they start throwing everything at you.
They'll push them all, and the Lambeau leap it's.
Speaker 7 (22:14):
A it's a it's a real leap.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
It's not a it's not a little baby jump.
Speaker 7 (22:17):
You actually have to hide jump basically, and then you
know they're they're pushing you, mushing your face.
Speaker 6 (22:23):
I mean there, that was probably that.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
And then I have one today.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
I was actually in a car and I got a
I got ran down for six blocks.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
In a car. Yeah that was fun.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Okay, So it's all so him saying he didn't want
to go to the Bears him trying until the very
last second to not go to the Bears. It's all
made up for because he took some time to say
that the Packers and Packers fans sucked up.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Yeah, he did it. I was at a concert called
Summer Smash. Took my son to it. It's for cread
this weekend, and then we'd come back and go to the
con meet my son at the concert at night, and
he he started a Packers suck chant as well. Yeah,
I mean, I look, granted, the Packers only beat them
because they blew a field goal, but congratulations on beating
the Packers' backups in the last game of the season.
(23:11):
That makes you awesome. But yes, I thought you're Is
that a metaphor that's perfect, perfect parallel is Yeah, he's
forever that guy who has to go over the top,
almost go Russell Wilson in regards to how he feels
about Bear's Nation in order to and somehow endear himself
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to a fan base he didn't want cheering for him.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
The U This Is listener submitted I'm going to say
John in Vegas. He listens to the podcast a lot.
John says this, here's a You're annoying for Monday managers
to take a starter out after ninety pitches when they're
throwing a gym. Fucking nonsense, he says. Seth Lougou, who
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pitches for his Royals pitching a gym ninety pitches yesterday
in the seventh and the manager takes him out after
ninety pitches. Bullpen blows the lead, padres Win. I agree
with John and Vegas here. Baseball managers baseball in general,
have become completely pussified when it comes to starting pitching.
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There's just something for feel. You know, this is a coach, Doug.
You're in the middle of a game. There's kind of
like what the analytics say, there's like a pitch count
or a minutes count, but you're like, okay, but the
feel of the game is that this guy's dominating their hitters.
He looks great, pulls. Seth Lugo, Royals lose. That is annoying, Doug.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Totally annoying. The The only counter to it is the
Johannes Santana, Right, you guys, remember when Johan Santana through
the first no hitter in the history of the New
York Mets. That sounds right, yeah, yeah, And I think
he through a record number of pitches for himself. Granted
(25:06):
it was a lot more than one hundreds, like one
hundred and thirty six. Maybe it was. It was crazy.
He was literally never the same sense. Now there's a
middle ground there, right, there's a middle ground there between
just go by the book, go by what the analytics
department tells you, go by the numbers, and just go
(25:28):
by feel. But I would also i'd tell you that
those guys, if they pull pictures, they're not doing it
because they want to pull a picture. They're doing it
because they're being told able. Right, It's like Dave Roberts.
You can barely see where the strings are are attached
to his hands to get him to go to go
get a picture from the mound. But yes, it is
annoying that you're sitting there and go like, I understand
what the book says, I understand what management says. But
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in this particular game, like he's being economical, he's not sweating,
he's you know, he's not throwing any extra pitches, he's
not laboring, and just the second then he gives up,
gives up a hit or gives up a walk, it
starts to get then you can again coach by field,
but they don't let him do it.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
There's a guy named Matt Quatrro Katarro Totruro. Sorry John
in Vegas, I got your manager's name wrong. I'm guessing
he's got a Dave Roberts deal with management that if
he loses it enough games to where it reaches that
threshold where management's like, we got to make a move
to be like, I took your guys's orders in this
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seth Lugo game. This is on you. I just took orders.
I can't be held accountable for losses.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Yeah, that's that's amazing. That's amazing. Was that what it wills?
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Nope, that's it. So Matt Kotrarro and the Royals for
pulling him early. We got Caleb Williams for forever being
in I Cheated on You guilt mode. And Rebecca Lobo
and the thirty four second of awkwardness.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Oh I think it's Rebecca. I mean everything about everything
about the WNBA, and how so many of them have
this hatred for Caitlin Clark. How some many of them
are so caught up in politics they can't you know,
fathom with the world around them. I just and again
(27:21):
there's nothing wrong with by the way, it's terrible broadcasting
to say that's what makes somebody great, that's what makes
America great. That's total cliche. So be better. But you
can also be better by not pointing out the fact
that you don't agree with the president and his slogan.
(27:41):
And it actually deceives the fact that you're not actually
very good at your job, right that when you're uttering
cliches like well, that's what Nin's gate, that's terrible broadcasting.
And for that, you're knowing why we do this.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Because we can.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
So we get the pleasure of seeing Joy Taylor every
single day on FS one on the show Speak. And
here's the difference between how you can watch her on
FS one and this podcast. She was on Joe Budden's
podcast talking about Kate and Clark, and the cool thing
about that is she could use blue language. And this
(28:27):
is Joy Taylor with Joe Budden, the.
Speaker 8 (28:29):
Magic Johnson Larry Bird moment for the WNBA, Like this
is great. I'm a storyteller. I think storylines are so
fucking important. I think you need villains, I think you
need heroes, you need shit to sell. You gotta sell
a fight like brand did all of this, and it
was it upset why men's watched this strong, winning, unapologetic
(28:52):
black women be in there, you know, being Kaylen's a face. Yeah,
and they still claim to it. And it's now like
spun to this whole thing where like Caitlin's better than
Angel and.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
Blah blah blah. I just said, we would not.
Speaker 8 (29:06):
Be talking about Caitlin Clark the way that we do
if it wasn't for that moment with Angel Rees.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
What I don't know, what about all the logo three
she hit before meeting Angel Reese in the title game.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Don't get me wrong, Angel Reese has done a great
job of playing the villain and she's benefited greatly in
I use the term that I think people will understand,
but I use it in basketball as well, called whitewash.
But I don't use whitewash in the sense that woke
people use the term whitewash, which is, you know, making
everything about white people and whitewashes. Technically, you know, when
(29:49):
a wave crashes, then there's the whitewash, and there's kind
of collateral damage, you know, with what it takes back
into the ocean, right and or you can say gravitational
pull of Caitlin Clark. The gravitational pull of Kitlin Clark
has pulled Angelries into stardom. She should be so thankful.
(30:13):
And I actually like that Angel Reies. I don't think
she did it on purpose, but the trademarking the term
me bounds when all she's doing is rebounding her own
mislayups is both funny ironic and if that's what she's
leaning into, that's really smart. It's actually really smart. But
(30:34):
Joey Taylor is so unbelievably woke. I mean, this is
I don't have we discussed this in the pod. Fuck
it we can. I mean, look what happened with me
on the herd was I was on the herd during
those the protest times, right during the summer of twenty twenty.
(30:56):
And that was when the Drew brees. Hey. When I
look at the American I think of I don't know
if it was my uncle's or my grandfather or whatever,
my relatives fighting for you know, fighting for our country.
And she went on a tangential rant. Grant to remember
she was. It doesn't matter what anybody says. Everyone knows
Colin is the host, and he has an update person.
(31:19):
He has worked through several of them right now, currently
it's Jason McIntyre and Colin is a kind human being,
so he says, my co host. But I mean it's
it's not a co host situation. Although would Joy wanted
to be a co host situation, and I would guess
that's why Joy is no longer on the Herd. That's
a guest. I don't know. But Joy said, you know,
(31:42):
like on air, she said that you can't say that.
That's not how it is. That's not what the flag represents.
It's not intended to represent. It doesn't represent. And what
I said to her was like, listen, I hear you.
But there are a lot of people in this country
(32:03):
who when they think of the American flag, they think
of people who served in our country. I don't like
what I think of is I think of Just for
full disclosure my thoughts on our country. I have lived abroad,
granted not recently, but I've lived abroad. I've traveled abroad,
not as much recently as i'd like. I want to
travel soon, but I don't know if it's smart to
do so. And when I think of old Glory, I
(32:26):
think of a couple things. Nine to eleven. I was
at Oklahoma Kansas State before I got my first chance
to do it. ESPN broadcast that night the next night,
and I thought of the solidarity that we showed each other.
But I mostly think of when you travel back from
being in a foreign country and you see old glory,
you realize that there are great places to live, there
(32:48):
are great even better places of vacation. But there's nowhere
else on earth that I would rather actually call home
the United States of America for all the reasons, even
our ability to have discourse, even our ability to anyway.
So I said that to her and Jason, like I
personally think she said, I don't ever want him on
the show again. I don't know that because I didn't
(33:11):
hear that from her, but I heard it from other people,
and I just look, this is who she is, you know,
and that's what she thinks. She thinks that because we're
like fragile white guys. Shut the actual fuck up, joy,
What are you talking about? Like? How does race playf
(33:33):
This has always bothered me, always bothered me. Okay, there's
a reality and then there's what you get people that
use the term white privilege. There is no privilege in
being white and playing basketball. Okay, nobody thinks you're any good,
nobody thinks you're athletic. All they think you can do
is shoot and and when you're smaller, they think you're
(33:57):
just there to be a a cheerleader and and and
and a towaver. Right, that's the reality of it. Now,
there's a there's negative stereotypes stor as black players too. Like,
don't get me wrong, but generally in basketball it's not
a positive. There's not privilege there to being white. You
(34:17):
have to do you have to go above and beyond
in level of effort, intensity, work ethic, not just to
be a player, I mean everybody does. Like I'm bothered
by the term a jim rat because it's usually reserved
for a white guy, when like, do you think Steph
Curry would be the greatest shooter of all time if
he wasn't a gym rat? Right? Do you think Damian
Lillard wouldn't be a great shooter if he wasn't a
(34:38):
gym rat. Of course he's a gym rat, but it
usually is reserved for a white guy. But this idea
that there's some sort of privilege to being white playing
basketball is so far from the fucking truth. It's honestly,
it's irritating, and it really really bothered. It bothers everybody
who's white and basketball. I'm just the only one with
the platform to say it. But her thing of like that,
(35:04):
were bothered, No, we're bothered because angel reaches of They
on ESPN celebrated the fact that she's taunting her opponent
continually when winning a game. That's why it was fucking awful.
It was the worst look for basketball I have seen
(35:26):
ever from a broadcast network. It was such bullshit. I've
never seen such a thing. And most people in women's
basketball were bothered by it. But you know what, they
won't say it because this is why, because you have
a kind of power structure in women's basketball that believes
(35:46):
just no different. And she's white. What's her name? From
the Minnesota w NBA team, she was the coach of
USA basketball. You know she's now she's in a beef
with with with Christine Brennan, who Christine Brennan is a feminist,
Like she's on your side, Like what are you doing?
(36:07):
They just constantly clash at each other, but everyone's scared
to speak out let me just cut to the brass tacks.
I am a college basketball coach. If a player who
plays for me acts the way that Angel Rees acted,
she would not play for me. I'd send her down
and go, what the fuck are you doing? We just
want a national championship. Make it about us, not about her,
(36:30):
you know, not about her. And look, Caitlin Clark, they
all talk shit, they do. They talk way more shit
in the women's game. They can do the men's game.
It's just this bizarro world. It looks like our universe,
It feels like our universe. It is not. They think
the reason nobody watched was because somehow it challenged our
(36:53):
egos as men. No, it's because you can't make a
fucking layup. That's it. You miss more layups than guys do,
and there's a reason for it. You're not shooting above
the rim, so it's a harder shot. Hey, Like, name
me the women's sport outside of women's tennis, women's tennis.
(37:13):
There was a time there were more people watch because
it was a better watch, just like people are watching
now because Taylin Clark is a good watch. She's, by
the way, currently in a massive shooting slum. She's struggling.
She's struggling those those logo threes. There's a reason that
no one outside of Steph Curry shot him as often
as he shot him, because it's a low percentage shot
(37:33):
and she's suffering that. And because people are gardener picking
her up, being more physical with her, she's taking tougher shots.
She's shooting a lower percentage. That's what happens is you'll
figure it out or she won't. But this idea that
everything comes down to some sort of racial identity and
ego crisis for men like Joy has done more to
(37:56):
embarrass herself over the past six months. But again it's
part of the it's just like the Angel Reese think.
There's no accountability for it, and why should Angel Rees
be accountable. Her coach didn't hold her accountable, the media
doesn't hold her accountable, and you have people talking about
it's about race. It's not about race. She acted like
an asshole male female. No one acts like that. And
(38:20):
then she got to the set of ESPN and they
all champion, They all laughed, like, what what are you doing?
What are you talking about? We don't celebrate that in
college sports ever, And I can tell you there's black
coaches that were upset by the white coach that they
don't care if that's not the sport, that's not what
we want wants to be represented. But part of it
(38:42):
is who she's coached by. She's coached by Kim Mokey,
who everybody hates because that's who Kim Mokey is. So yeah,
I don't I this is Joy. Joy is the she is.
She's one of those people that I think the the
(39:04):
year two thousand turned her into a person that is
not particularly enjoyable to be around. Like the crazy part
about it is Joy was married to a white guy, right,
And I think Joy's mixed. Does she mixed race? I
think she's mixed race. I don't know. But there's something
going on in there where she's like so bitter and
(39:25):
what is she bitter over? She's been on the biggest
radio show on Earth, sports radio show on Earth, and
now she has her own TV show and she's just
super super bitter and lashing out towards like white people,
and I don't fucking understand it. Maybe there's something in
her childhood I don't know about. Maybe there's something that
somebody said to her. I treated with her with nothing
(39:46):
but respect. All I ever said to her was, hey,
there's I hear you. There's another side there that doesn't
view it the way you view it. And the way
it works in our country is you say something, this
is what I believe. Somebody else is something, yes, they believe,
and as long as it doesn't violate your civil rights
or your personal rights, like that's okay. It's more than
(40:07):
okay to say I look at the American flag and
this is what I think of. But she cannot and
will not hear anyone else's side because if it's uttered
out of a person that has a skin that has
less melon in hers like mine, somehow you become a racist,
you know, and then you factor in you're a guy,
so then you're a chauvinist as well. None of that
(40:28):
is true. This sends my ted talk that why can
we play for you? Because we can. That's it for
the Inner Bones Podcast. Check out the radio show every
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All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Here's in
the bonus with Doug gottlie What I'm.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Doug Gottlieb Show. In the bonus Fox Sports Radio. iHeartRadio
app Do Do Do Do Do Pet? So you know,
I know we're supposed to talk about sports, and this
is sort of about sports. But I think it's time
to get my pound a flash a little bit here,
(00:32):
just because there are there's probably about five things I've
had to do in my broadcasting career that I actually
kicked myself for, and uh, this is one of them.
So yesterday, actually last night, I was watching the NBA Finals.
It's actually kind of cool. Like so, my my son's
(00:55):
Christmas present was he loves he loves Underground Wrap, especially
so last year we went to one day at Summer Smaster,
which is in Chicago at Sea Geek Stadium, and it's
a three day music festival. I do say music with
the quotations because it's not a lot of there's no
(01:16):
instruments being played. Nonetheless, the dude's happy, right, your son
is happy, you're hanging and you're trying to be world's
best at so and again I don't have to humble brag.
I'm going to there's a VIP area, and then part
of the VIP area is like there's the open air stage.
(01:36):
I think there's like twenty thousand like kids, mosh bits whatever.
I want no part of that. And then there's like
a you saw where Caleb Williams was. He's in like
the diamond section and I'm just the regular vipm Behind that,
there's like some food trucks kind of like a chill
out area, and there's probably twenty of us at our
parents that are just you know, like, hey, stuff is
(01:59):
going on at those concerts. You know, you want to
be there and help your kid if they need it,
need you, right, and it's not gonna drop them off
and leave and then go do a bunch of things.
So I'm back there and I'm and there's a couple
of Don Tolliver's first night. It's pretty cool. Came in
on parachutes, right, and uh, young thug who's I think
just released from jail was last night. It's actually really
(02:20):
really good anyway, So I'm watching the game and meanwhile
I see Tyre's Haliburton go down. Now granted it didn't happen,
it didn't happen at game time, but I think it
was seven nineteen, so the game was just about to start,
and Skip Bayless tweeted the Pacers brilliantly took the big
(02:42):
game pressure off Halliburton, who routinely no shows, by planting
the injury excuse that the media swallowed a whole right,
So it's on Twitter, and then all of a sudden,
Tyrese Haliburton goes down with a torn achilles tendon and
i'll shortly thereafter, Skip starts trying to tweet his way
(03:02):
out of it. But it's embarrassing, right, he basically said,
And he's not the only one, but he basically said
that he wasn't hurt, and because he wasn't hurt, that's
why he wasn't playing. He just wasn't playing well and
it was an injury excuse. So Jay STUW, you worked
in the same building, so you know this to be true.
(03:26):
Skip Bayless ran his own shop, He was everything for
his for his show Undisputed, And when I got to
take the job, and I forever I'm forever upset with
myself over this. So I was under contract with CBS
and I had I don't know six months left, and
(03:48):
I wanted to get back out to California and I
wanted to do Fox Television. At the time, a good
friend of mine, Jamie Horowitz, was running was running the
day to day the daily shows, and Jamie is responsible
for being Colin and Skip to Fox Sports one right.
(04:09):
But in order to work at Fox Sports one at
the time, I had to be kind of U. I
had to make nice and kiss the ring with Skip
Bayless and what does that look like? I had to
send him a couple of texts, set up a phone
call and I didn't grovel, but I didn't feel good
about it, and that goes back to Skip didn't like me,
(04:33):
and he didn't like me because I was on back
when it was first and ten, I would be on
opposite him and he said ridiculous shit and I would
call him on ridiculous shit, not to the point where
what Jalen Rose did or what Ryan Rossillo did. But
Ryan and Jalen didn't want to work at Fox Sports
at the time, so they weren't going to grovel and
(04:53):
kiss the ring. I kissed the ring and I fucking
hate myself for it. I don't know Skip Bayless, the
person I don't. But I also don't understand how anybody
who wants to be like the king of debate can't
handle when somebody comes at them and the debate and
nothing I ever said, Like I thought Jalen was way
(05:14):
out of line when he called him water pistol, you know,
water pistol pete and brought up his his high school stats.
Let's get clearly lied about whatever. And you know, some
of these guys are so insecure they want to lie
about who they were and lie about what they did.
And it's not any different than ninety five percent of
the people. How many guys will tell you that, you know,
(05:35):
I drank fifty beers like you had five. I was
sitting next to you the whole night. Well, I slip
with one hundred women, Like, dude, you couldn't get laid with,
you know, in a whorehouse with one hundred million dollars,
Like what are you even talking about? Hey, so, you know,
blowing up your high school stats and although you did
it on national TV, it's not a great look. And
the Internet's going to always google whatever. Who cares. I
(05:58):
don't but the level of whether it's control but he's
a control freak or insecurity. I'm not sure, but God,
I hated that. God I hated that. Did you know
any of that, jayse dou Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
I mean they've hid him much more money than anyone
they'd ever paid to do talk content, and as a
part of that compensation came full autonomy over who would
work with him and produce him, and who he'd be
around to be frank and who wouldn't he wouldn't be around.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Yeah, I just I never felt good about it ever,
and I wanted to get it off my chest. And
it was a real thing. There was a story about it,
and you didn't have to say, oh, Skip be the greatest,
but you just had to make him feel like, yeah, fine,
he could be in the building. And one time I
was on Undisputed, he wasn't on. I was never on since.
And today we're getting my pound of flesh for people
(06:55):
who I think, I think are shitty to other people.
So when I'm watching Halliburton laying there and this is
a thing that I never do. I don't think I've
ever said somebody is faking an injury. I think you
fake an injury. I think you're asking the gods of
karma to make you really hurt, make you really hurt.
(07:19):
And you know, obviously part of the water pistol pete
thing that Jaylen Rose is like, he never played, So
no one who This is a real thing, right, no
one who? And it's I think NBA players think the
same thing of Stephen A. Smith. If you never played
a sport at a high level, they actually don't respect you.
(07:41):
They don't. The only guy I think they do respect
who never did anything sports wise is probably a guy
like Costas and maybe Dan, although you know Dan played
low college basketball. He he did end up, you know,
walking on whatever. I think he played at Easter before
Eastern Kentucky before he went back to Dayton. But you
know Dan played. But more than anything, you grew up
(08:02):
Keith and Dan, and he's never thrown out. Dan is
not an analyst, right, Nor does he have these hot
takes and does come at people or has he questioned
people the validity of people's injuries, Like if you didn't
play a sport at a high level, they don't fucking
respect what you say about their sport. They just don't.
So yeah, I was kind of happy that he got
(08:23):
fucking run over like a truck on Twitter last night.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
He short to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Let's Get the Fox Says, and now every day this
time when the Doug Gottlieb Show. In the Bonus Podcast,
we play for you a portion of a previous show
Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports One. Here's Dan Patrick talking
about with Gilbert A. Renas they're talking about Tyre's Haliburton's injury.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
I mentioned Halliburton. Ten years from now will remember him,
but it's because of the postseason run Game one and
then blowing out his achilles. So I think if we
just say his name, I think we'll remember that ten
years from now.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
I think he'll be more remembered for the Eastern Conference
Finals what he did to the New York Knicks, because
that was a big series. That was like one of
those series because it was New York and all the
exposure on it and he showed up. I think he
would be more remembered for that series than really what
(09:27):
happened in the finals.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
You talked to a couple of guys who have blown
out their achilles, and they had there was a commonality
to that of you have a calf injury, so you
talk to Tatum and Dame Lillard and then you see Halliburton.
We shouldn't be surprised that this happened.
Speaker 6 (09:44):
No, no, we should not. You know, I think we
all thought about it. I think Kendrick Perkins mentioned that
he shouldn't play in Game six because of what has
happened in the past. I don't remember ever when strains
turned into Achille tears from the past.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Gill's right, and uh again at the time of this recording,
just so we're just just so we're being you know,
we want to be honest with you guys. On the
radio show, we we we booked Riley with doctor Riley Williams.
He's the head team surgeon for the Brooklyn Nets. I
believe he's going to do Tyre's Haliburton's surgery tonight. Okay,
(10:29):
so we're recording this before the radio show. Surgeon's tight,
he's supposed to join us. He gets back to New
York and then pop into his office hoping the phone
with us and go to surgery. Pretty cool thing. Again,
I don't know if it comes through. I'm again hopeful,
but he's got a busy day, and I think we're
not on the important scale of operating on Tyre's Haliburton.
(10:50):
But I brought him on one to talk about Achilles
tendon surgeries and and advances that have been made Aaron
Rodgers surgery and how quickly he recovered and whatever, but
also on how much this has happened recently. And I
heard Colin talk about it earlier today and you know,
got what he got A shortened the playoffs? Like okay,
(11:11):
but Kirk Cousins, who else? Aaron Rodgers? What was the
running back of the Rams? Was it kyra and Williams?
Was that? Who it was? That was cam Akers?
Speaker 5 (11:25):
Right?
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Yeah? Cut out the Kyraen Wims cam Akers towards Achilles
tenant and he was like in his third year, second
year in the NFL. So it's not an age thing.
I don't believe it's a basketball thing. Yes, I did
talk to I spoke with two foot and ankle physicians
earlier today and they did say that calf strains are
(11:48):
a sign of weakness, and obviously that means it puts
more stress on the Achilles tendon. And that's real thing.
Whether Gilbert knows it or not whatever. Again, that's what's happened.
But I do think there has to be something in
how we're building bodies as athletes. And I don't think
it's about the you know, you know, skipping leg day
(12:10):
because Tyrese Halburtn is not big up top, right, has
to be in how we build bodies or whatever. But
it's definitely a thing. Has nothing to do with high
tops and low tops. It has nothing to do with Nikes.
He was wearing Pumas and Damian Lillard was wearing Adidas. Stop.
That doesn't have to do with the court because it's
(12:30):
happening on a football field as well. So I don't
know what it's about, but I'm like you could. I'm
literally there'd be one guy every couple of years who
popped his achilles, And now we had three stars in
the playoffs tear of their achilles. Two star quarterbacks in
the last two years pop their achilles. Other players act
there's a kid I'm trying to think which one who's
(12:52):
getting ready for the NBA draft who popped his achilles.
It's terrible. It has to be in how we're building bodies.
Has to be. But Gilbert is right, I don't remember
it happening this often. I don't remember people having to
be this fearful of Terry Achilles ten and when when
I played, and I've been, you know, playing sports my
whole life. Could it be about only playing one sport?
(13:14):
It could be, But again I brought up football players,
and Aaron Rodgers was a basketball player, Kirk Cousins, others,
they played other sports as well. Here's Dan Byer. He
explained to Mike Harmon, why the thunder of the worst
NBA champion in his lifetime?
Speaker 7 (13:27):
For what makes you so mad about Game six with
Oklahoma City or what makes you so mad about the Pacers?
And how we look at the NBA and how we
look at the regular season. There's just no way that
these teams with their faults, are better than any of
the champions that we've seen. And you take even the
(13:47):
past couple of years where we've had these one off championships,
if you will, I feel like Golden State was still
an extension kind of of their of their wins.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Last yet that old dynastic approach.
Speaker 7 (13:59):
You look back at the Raptors team that kind of
came out of I don't want to say came out
of nowhere, because they were a good team that year,
but I don't think anybody legitimately thought that they were
an NBA title winning team. And I just point to
the fact of Pascal Siakam was probably the second best
player on that team, or maybe third, depending on how
you want to look at a Kuhi was number one.
But I'll even say just you know, maybe the robin
(14:22):
to Kawhi at that point, and you look at all
the pieces that were on him, with Fred van Vliet
and Kyle Laurie and Danny Green and others, that team
is significantly better than this Oklahoma City team.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Well, I mean, I thought the one that was the
best was you know, the Thunder team that lost in
the NBA Finals, you know, Kevin Durant and James Harden,
or even the one that was down those up three
games to one to the Golden State Warriors. Right. Yeah, again,
I'm not actually gonna disagree. And here's what will happen.
(14:57):
I have lots of friends in Oklahoma City, obviously, and
in the Oaklahoma City Thunder organization, some really really good friends,
really good friends. But I do think we're it's a
little bit of an injustice what we're doing to like
Shay Gildess Alexander, he was the MVP of the league.
They did have the best record in the regular season,
(15:19):
had one of the best records last year in the NBA.
They have the second best record last year in the NBA.
So it's not that crazy, right, It's just not it's
that we this is rare. Normally a team like this
would have like last year. You know, they lost to
the Dallas Mavericks. This year, you get back and maybe
(15:41):
you get to the finals and against the powerhouse, or
maybe you lose in the conference finals, or you lose
to to the Denver Nuggets. But again you go back
and play it out. This has happened before in the NBA.
Matter of fact, it has more often you think that
teams have injuries it affects the playoffs. Thomas likes to
like to say how much he beat the Boston Celtics
(16:02):
before they won their back to back titles. Larry Bird
didn't play one year because Larry Bird had a bad back, right,
And there's another year we had the bone spurs removed
from his heels. But I think it was the back
that kept him out one year. You know, Magic Johnson,
Magic Johnson got hurt. That was that was That was
one of the years that the Celtics I think won.
He pulled his hamstring like you go back. But we've
(16:27):
also we've had some of these kind of random NBA
champions over the last six or seven years. You know,
the Toronto Raptors, they were a good team. Kawi Leonard
was a great player, but I mean, Golden State was
far superior and the West was far superior. Part of
it is the imbalance in West to East, and then
the West was just injured. And the new salary cap
(16:49):
structure has made it so that, you know, the most
you can really have is two star players, and most
of the guys to become star players are a little
bit up there in age, and so they get hurt.
But I'm gonna I don't know if I totally agree,
because the last couple of years it's been a little suspect.
(17:10):
I don't think the Bucks were great. And if you
could say, well, Yannis is an all time great player. Okay,
he's basically a bigger version of Shay in that he
was the MVP that year, Shae's the MVP this year,
and they had an interesting team kind of around them.
(17:31):
He may be more right than he is wrong, and
if people in Oklahoma don't like it, who cares. They're
still champions. But it may say something about where we're
headed with the NBA. That's what the Fox said say.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Let's find out who are what is annoying? Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 6 (18:07):
Doug.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Something real annoying happened this weekend. I want to say
it was Saturday because it was in the Fever and
wasn't fever aces game. Sure, Rebecca Lobos Sunday, she's on
Team A team one. Oh, yesterday, Okay, Rebecca Lobo was
on the call, and this unfortunate thing happened.
Speaker 8 (18:31):
So they disagree with you, they do, and I disagree
with them, and that's fine.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
That's what makes America.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Great, right, Pat Moore, I should rephrase.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
That, yes, yeah, I did. The opinion are perfectly yes.
That's a better way to say. Sorry.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Well, okay, I will say this. I'm guessing Patrick, our editor,
I'm going to shout out to Patrick, and then I'm
just going to give him some constructive criticism. There's twenty
three seconds of silence after says that's what makes America great.
I wanted to feel that twenty three seconds Patrick thought
it was more efficient to trim it up and maybe
(19:08):
go right to the other broadcast sound. That's fine. His
editorial choice the wrong choice, and we'll be sure to
pass on that note for any listener that is wondering
what's going on around here. Twenty three uncomfortable seconds after
saying that's what makes America great, and then she apologizes, Doug.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
I mean, I they can't help themselves, can they? Right?
Can't help themselves. It is kind of the brilliance to
the simplicity of the message from our president. But it's
just like they can't help themselves. Like, just keep going
if you happen to if you don't agree with the
president or you don't like the MAGA movement like that,
(19:51):
that's fine. But again, by stopping your calling attention to it,
and then you're making without making a political statement, you're
making a political statement. So I yeah, it's it's what
day was that? By the way, was that Sunday? Yesterday, right, Yeah,
so that's after our country launched launch bombs drop bombs
(20:13):
on nuclear facilities in Iran. Yeah, just again, not the time,
not the time, and maybe maybe that's maybe that's kind
of what they were trying to get to. And I
thought Pam Wood tried to clean it up there. Obviously
we know what Rebecca Lobo meant by it, but yeah,
not at the time.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Here's what Rebecca Lobo meant by it. She meant by
it what almost every human being in the history of
our country has meant by it. When they said, that's
what americ's America great. Yeah, the ability to disagree without
any any punishment. And imagine a time and place where
(20:51):
we're at. We're during a an American sports broadcast. Someone
has to feel guilty for uttering three words. That's what
makes America great. Caleb Williams, he's on you know what
he reminds me of. He reminds me of the person
(21:14):
that was on the offending end of the of I
don't know what you would call it, cheating, adultery, the
person that was the violator and the adultery term. And
now he is forever in guilt mode trying to make
(21:34):
it up to Bears fans forever in guilt mode. So
if Bears fans want something from Caleb, you know a
Caleb see him in the in the restaurant, could you
buy my meal? I'm a Bears fan. I think Caleb
will do it. He's in forever guilt mode. And this
was him on Saturday talking about Packers fans. I mean
(21:58):
after the game.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
I've been one of at Lambeau, one of these at
Lambo right now.
Speaker 7 (22:03):
So obviously you're trying to do the Lambeau leap and
we actually try to jump in in the crowd where
our fans were.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
It just I mean they start throwing everything at you.
They'll push them all, and the Lambeau leap it's.
Speaker 7 (22:14):
A it's a it's a real leap.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
It's not a it's not a little baby jump.
Speaker 7 (22:17):
You actually have to hide jump basically, and then you
know they're they're pushing you, mushing your face.
Speaker 6 (22:23):
I mean there, that was probably that.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
And then I have one today.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
I was actually in a car and I got a
I got ran down for six blocks.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
In a car. Yeah that was fun.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Okay, So it's all so him saying he didn't want
to go to the Bears him trying until the very
last second to not go to the Bears. It's all
made up for because he took some time to say
that the Packers and Packers fans sucked up.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Yeah, he did it. I was at a concert called
Summer Smash. Took my son to it. It's for cread
this weekend, and then we'd come back and go to the
con meet my son at the concert at night, and
he he started a Packers suck chant as well. Yeah,
I mean, I look, granted, the Packers only beat them
because they blew a field goal, but congratulations on beating
the Packers' backups in the last game of the season.
(23:11):
That makes you awesome. But yes, I thought you're Is
that a metaphor that's perfect, perfect parallel is Yeah, he's
forever that guy who has to go over the top,
almost go Russell Wilson in regards to how he feels
about Bear's Nation in order to and somehow endear himself
(23:32):
to a fan base he didn't want cheering for him.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
The U This Is listener submitted I'm going to say
John in Vegas. He listens to the podcast a lot.
John says this, here's a You're annoying for Monday managers
to take a starter out after ninety pitches when they're
throwing a gym. Fucking nonsense, he says. Seth Lougou, who
(24:00):
pitches for his Royals pitching a gym ninety pitches yesterday
in the seventh and the manager takes him out after
ninety pitches. Bullpen blows the lead, padres Win. I agree
with John and Vegas here. Baseball managers baseball in general,
have become completely pussified when it comes to starting pitching.
(24:24):
There's just something for feel. You know, this is a coach, Doug.
You're in the middle of a game. There's kind of
like what the analytics say, there's like a pitch count
or a minutes count, but you're like, okay, but the
feel of the game is that this guy's dominating their hitters.
He looks great, pulls. Seth Lugo, Royals lose. That is annoying, Doug.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Totally annoying. The The only counter to it is the
Johannes Santana, Right, you guys, remember when Johan Santana through
the first no hitter in the history of the New
York Mets. That sounds right, yeah, yeah, And I think
he through a record number of pitches for himself. Granted
(25:06):
it was a lot more than one hundreds, like one
hundred and thirty six. Maybe it was. It was crazy.
He was literally never the same sense. Now there's a
middle ground there, right, there's a middle ground there between
just go by the book, go by what the analytics
department tells you, go by the numbers, and just go
(25:28):
by feel. But I would also i'd tell you that
those guys, if they pull pictures, they're not doing it
because they want to pull a picture. They're doing it
because they're being told able. Right, It's like Dave Roberts.
You can barely see where the strings are are attached
to his hands to get him to go to go
get a picture from the mound. But yes, it is
annoying that you're sitting there and go like, I understand
what the book says, I understand what management says. But
(25:49):
in this particular game, like he's being economical, he's not sweating,
he's you know, he's not throwing any extra pitches, he's
not laboring, and just the second then he gives up,
gives up a hit or gives up a walk, it
starts to get then you can again coach by field,
but they don't let him do it.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
There's a guy named Matt Quatrro Katarro Totruro. Sorry John
in Vegas, I got your manager's name wrong. I'm guessing
he's got a Dave Roberts deal with management that if
he loses it enough games to where it reaches that
threshold where management's like, we got to make a move
to be like, I took your guys's orders in this
(26:28):
seth Lugo game. This is on you. I just took orders.
I can't be held accountable for losses.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Yeah, that's that's amazing. That's amazing. Was that what it wills?
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Nope, that's it. So Matt Kotrarro and the Royals for
pulling him early. We got Caleb Williams for forever being
in I Cheated on You guilt mode. And Rebecca Lobo
and the thirty four second of awkwardness.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Oh I think it's Rebecca. I mean everything about everything
about the WNBA, and how so many of them have
this hatred for Caitlin Clark. How some many of them
are so caught up in politics they can't you know,
fathom with the world around them. I just and again
(27:21):
there's nothing wrong with by the way, it's terrible broadcasting
to say that's what makes somebody great, that's what makes
America great. That's total cliche. So be better. But you
can also be better by not pointing out the fact
that you don't agree with the president and his slogan.
(27:41):
And it actually deceives the fact that you're not actually
very good at your job, right that when you're uttering
cliches like well, that's what Nin's gate, that's terrible broadcasting.
And for that, you're knowing why we do this.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Because we can.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
So we get the pleasure of seeing Joy Taylor every
single day on FS one on the show Speak. And
here's the difference between how you can watch her on
FS one and this podcast. She was on Joe Budden's
podcast talking about Kate and Clark, and the cool thing
about that is she could use blue language. And this
(28:27):
is Joy Taylor with Joe Budden, the.
Speaker 8 (28:29):
Magic Johnson Larry Bird moment for the WNBA, Like this
is great. I'm a storyteller. I think storylines are so
fucking important. I think you need villains, I think you
need heroes, you need shit to sell. You gotta sell
a fight like brand did all of this, and it
was it upset why men's watched this strong, winning, unapologetic
(28:52):
black women be in there, you know, being Kaylen's a face. Yeah,
and they still claim to it. And it's now like
spun to this whole thing where like Caitlin's better than
Angel and.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
Blah blah blah. I just said, we would not.
Speaker 8 (29:06):
Be talking about Caitlin Clark the way that we do
if it wasn't for that moment with Angel Rees.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
What I don't know, what about all the logo three
she hit before meeting Angel Reese in the title game.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Don't get me wrong, Angel Reese has done a great
job of playing the villain and she's benefited greatly in
I use the term that I think people will understand,
but I use it in basketball as well, called whitewash.
But I don't use whitewash in the sense that woke
people use the term whitewash, which is, you know, making
everything about white people and whitewashes. Technically, you know, when
(29:49):
a wave crashes, then there's the whitewash, and there's kind
of collateral damage, you know, with what it takes back
into the ocean, right and or you can say gravitational
pull of Caitlin Clark. The gravitational pull of Kitlin Clark
has pulled Angelries into stardom. She should be so thankful.
(30:13):
And I actually like that Angel Reies. I don't think
she did it on purpose, but the trademarking the term
me bounds when all she's doing is rebounding her own
mislayups is both funny ironic and if that's what she's
leaning into, that's really smart. It's actually really smart. But
(30:34):
Joey Taylor is so unbelievably woke. I mean, this is
I don't have we discussed this in the pod. Fuck
it we can. I mean, look what happened with me
on the herd was I was on the herd during
those the protest times, right during the summer of twenty twenty.
(30:56):
And that was when the Drew brees. Hey. When I
look at the American I think of I don't know
if it was my uncle's or my grandfather or whatever,
my relatives fighting for you know, fighting for our country.
And she went on a tangential rant. Grant to remember
she was. It doesn't matter what anybody says. Everyone knows
Colin is the host, and he has an update person.
(31:19):
He has worked through several of them right now, currently
it's Jason McIntyre and Colin is a kind human being,
so he says, my co host. But I mean it's
it's not a co host situation. Although would Joy wanted
to be a co host situation, and I would guess
that's why Joy is no longer on the Herd. That's
a guest. I don't know. But Joy said, you know,
(31:42):
like on air, she said that you can't say that.
That's not how it is. That's not what the flag represents.
It's not intended to represent. It doesn't represent. And what
I said to her was like, listen, I hear you.
But there are a lot of people in this country
(32:03):
who when they think of the American flag, they think
of people who served in our country. I don't like
what I think of is I think of Just for
full disclosure my thoughts on our country. I have lived abroad,
granted not recently, but I've lived abroad. I've traveled abroad,
not as much recently as i'd like. I want to
travel soon, but I don't know if it's smart to
do so. And when I think of old Glory, I
(32:26):
think of a couple things. Nine to eleven. I was
at Oklahoma Kansas State before I got my first chance
to do it. ESPN broadcast that night the next night,
and I thought of the solidarity that we showed each other.
But I mostly think of when you travel back from
being in a foreign country and you see old glory,
you realize that there are great places to live, there
(32:48):
are great even better places of vacation. But there's nowhere
else on earth that I would rather actually call home
the United States of America for all the reasons, even
our ability to have discourse, even our ability to anyway.
So I said that to her and Jason, like I
personally think she said, I don't ever want him on
the show again. I don't know that because I didn't
(33:11):
hear that from her, but I heard it from other people,
and I just look, this is who she is, you know,
and that's what she thinks. She thinks that because we're
like fragile white guys. Shut the actual fuck up, joy,
What are you talking about? Like? How does race playf
(33:33):
This has always bothered me, always bothered me. Okay, there's
a reality and then there's what you get people that
use the term white privilege. There is no privilege in
being white and playing basketball. Okay, nobody thinks you're any good,
nobody thinks you're athletic. All they think you can do
is shoot and and when you're smaller, they think you're
(33:57):
just there to be a a cheerleader and and and
and a towaver. Right, that's the reality of it. Now,
there's a there's negative stereotypes stor as black players too. Like,
don't get me wrong, but generally in basketball it's not
a positive. There's not privilege there to being white. You
(34:17):
have to do you have to go above and beyond
in level of effort, intensity, work ethic, not just to
be a player, I mean everybody does. Like I'm bothered
by the term a jim rat because it's usually reserved
for a white guy, when like, do you think Steph
Curry would be the greatest shooter of all time if
he wasn't a gym rat? Right? Do you think Damian
Lillard wouldn't be a great shooter if he wasn't a
(34:38):
gym rat. Of course he's a gym rat, but it
usually is reserved for a white guy. But this idea
that there's some sort of privilege to being white playing
basketball is so far from the fucking truth. It's honestly,
it's irritating, and it really really bothered. It bothers everybody
who's white and basketball. I'm just the only one with
the platform to say it. But her thing of like that,
(35:04):
were bothered, No, we're bothered because angel reaches of They
on ESPN celebrated the fact that she's taunting her opponent
continually when winning a game. That's why it was fucking awful.
It was the worst look for basketball I have seen
(35:26):
ever from a broadcast network. It was such bullshit. I've
never seen such a thing. And most people in women's
basketball were bothered by it. But you know what, they
won't say it because this is why, because you have
a kind of power structure in women's basketball that believes
(35:46):
just no different. And she's white. What's her name? From
the Minnesota w NBA team, she was the coach of
USA basketball. You know she's now she's in a beef
with with with Christine Brennan, who Christine Brennan is a feminist,
Like she's on your side, Like what are you doing?
(36:07):
They just constantly clash at each other, but everyone's scared
to speak out let me just cut to the brass tacks.
I am a college basketball coach. If a player who
plays for me acts the way that Angel Rees acted,
she would not play for me. I'd send her down
and go, what the fuck are you doing? We just
want a national championship. Make it about us, not about her,
(36:30):
you know, not about her. And look, Caitlin Clark, they
all talk shit, they do. They talk way more shit
in the women's game. They can do the men's game.
It's just this bizarro world. It looks like our universe,
It feels like our universe. It is not. They think
the reason nobody watched was because somehow it challenged our
(36:53):
egos as men. No, it's because you can't make a
fucking layup. That's it. You miss more layups than guys do,
and there's a reason for it. You're not shooting above
the rim, so it's a harder shot. Hey, Like, name
me the women's sport outside of women's tennis, women's tennis.
(37:13):
There was a time there were more people watch because
it was a better watch, just like people are watching
now because Taylin Clark is a good watch. She's, by
the way, currently in a massive shooting slum. She's struggling.
She's struggling those those logo threes. There's a reason that
no one outside of Steph Curry shot him as often
as he shot him, because it's a low percentage shot
(37:33):
and she's suffering that. And because people are gardener picking
her up, being more physical with her, she's taking tougher shots.
She's shooting a lower percentage. That's what happens is you'll
figure it out or she won't. But this idea that
everything comes down to some sort of racial identity and
ego crisis for men like Joy has done more to
(37:56):
embarrass herself over the past six months. But again it's
part of the it's just like the Angel Reese think.
There's no accountability for it, and why should Angel Rees
be accountable. Her coach didn't hold her accountable, the media
doesn't hold her accountable, and you have people talking about
it's about race. It's not about race. She acted like
an asshole male female. No one acts like that. And
(38:20):
then she got to the set of ESPN and they
all champion, They all laughed, like, what what are you doing?
What are you talking about? We don't celebrate that in
college sports ever, And I can tell you there's black
coaches that were upset by the white coach that they
don't care if that's not the sport, that's not what
we want wants to be represented. But part of it
(38:42):
is who she's coached by. She's coached by Kim Mokey,
who everybody hates because that's who Kim Mokey is. So yeah,
I don't I this is Joy. Joy is the she is.
She's one of those people that I think the the
(39:04):
year two thousand turned her into a person that is
not particularly enjoyable to be around. Like the crazy part
about it is Joy was married to a white guy, right,
And I think Joy's mixed. Does she mixed race? I
think she's mixed race. I don't know. But there's something
going on in there where she's like so bitter and
(39:25):
what is she bitter over? She's been on the biggest
radio show on Earth, sports radio show on Earth, and
now she has her own TV show and she's just
super super bitter and lashing out towards like white people,
and I don't fucking understand it. Maybe there's something in
her childhood I don't know about. Maybe there's something that
somebody said to her. I treated with her with nothing
(39:46):
but respect. All I ever said to her was, hey,
there's I hear you. There's another side there that doesn't
view it the way you view it. And the way
it works in our country is you say something, this
is what I believe. Somebody else is something, yes, they believe,
and as long as it doesn't violate your civil rights
or your personal rights, like that's okay. It's more than
(40:07):
okay to say I look at the American flag and
this is what I think of. But she cannot and
will not hear anyone else's side because if it's uttered
out of a person that has a skin that has
less melon in hers like mine, somehow you become a racist,
you know, and then you factor in you're a guy,
so then you're a chauvinist as well. None of that
(40:28):
is true. This sends my ted talk that why can
we play for you? Because we can. That's it for
the Inner Bones Podcast. Check out the radio show every
day three to five Eastern twelve two Pacific. Thanks for
the listening. I'm Doug Goatlet
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