June 24, 2025 • 35 mins
Doug riffs about the most toxic place in broadcasting. Doug reacts Colin Cowherd's take on Cooper Flagg. Doug chooses among deserving candidates Jason Stewart deems as most annoying today. Plus, Donald Trump makes today's installment of "Because We Can".
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Heres in
the Bonus with Doug.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Gottl Doug Gottlieb Show. In the Bonus Fox Sports Radio,
iHeart Radio app welcome in. How are you? I was,
I was thinking of one of our discussions yesterday, guys,
and I was, I was talking about Joy Taylor and
obviously these remarks, which it's it's fair to say they're ridiculous,
(00:31):
right that, like Angel Reese is is a big reason
for Caitlin Clark's emergence, Like yeah, no, this is not
this is not bird Magic, It's not it's not not
what she is. Nonetheless, I do think we can use
this pod for good, not for evil. And I was
(00:55):
I I get people all the time who want to
help out. They want to enter and they want to
work for us. They want to work for Fox Sports Radio,
they want to get into TV, they want to get
into radio. And I've loved all the places that I've worked.
I mean, I mean, like even Stadium Sports. I was
doing a bunch of stuff for them in the past
six or seven years. And it's more kind of startup,
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e entrepreneurial spirit, like doing shows from bizarre locations, or
whatever like that stuff was fun. It's really fun. But
there is one thing that remains a constant, and it's
there's one room and it's no different than probably your
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place of work. I definitely think with sports teams, right,
it's like it's like there's one position room that always
has the drama on the football team, right, the wide
receiver room. You ever notice that, like the lineman never
have drama, they just don't. Sometimes a little bit of
quarterback what they said or how they played or whatever.
(02:04):
And now you know Caleb Williams stuff will get to
that later on the pod. But there's there's no more
dramatic room in the NFL than the wide receiver room.
There's always something going on there. Just that that that
position breeds eccentricity. And I was thinking that, Jay ste
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you've done that. You've been in this business as long
as I have, if not longer. And uh, there is
one commonality at every place that I've worked, which is
stay out of the makeup room. And what happens with
a lot of people, especially women. I actually have a
great amount of sympathy and empathy for women in sports
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because they walk into an environment where most guys don't
respect their opinion regardless of you know, it's really interesting.
You know, you could say, hey, well she never played anything. Yeah,
well there's lots of these guys that never played anything either.
They just did not ever, you know, they didn't play.
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So what separates you. Oh, you're a guy, so you're
more equipped to talk about sport than she is to
talk about a sport that that doesn't That doesn't make
any sense none at all. Anyway. I think the biggest thing, though,
is that the last place they were before they go
on the set, or before they go into the podcast,
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or before they go into meeting is the makeup room.
And the makeup room is the height of toxicity. It
is the cheer noble of media. It is. It's the
cheer noble of media. You come out of there and
you are glowing with negativity towards something because almost always
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somebody in that room is sleeping with somebody they probably
shouldn't be sleeping with, and somebody feels I mean, I
remember one female co host who has not been named
on this podcast and will allow her to skate on
being named, but literally every time you walk by that
makeup room at Fox, someone had done her wrong, and
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it's like it's almost an impossibility that every day of
your life somebody is doing you wrong. But that's how
she felt. That was her legitimate feeling. And so when
you're in a place and you're just sitting in a
makeup chair and people are just you know, lobbing negativity
about other people because yeah, some of them are hiding
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the fact that they're sleeping with some of they should
not be, or they feel like the world has shamed
them or put them in a bad place. Whatever. You
come out of there almost glowing with negativity. So to
young people who want to get into this business, here's
my advice. It's advice that was given to me by
Dave Revsen of the Big ten Network. When you go in,
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be nice, be cordial, keep your head down, say yes, ma'am, no, ma'am,
thank you, ma'am, and get the heck out of there.
That way, any of that negativity, if it rubs off
on you, it comes off a little cleaner. If you
get into conversations there, you're gonna come out and you'll
almost feel like that's the real world, and you'll that
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negative that that negative energy, sexual tension, somebody has done
you wrong, is going to affect you in a negative
way when you get on the set. There you go.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
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Speaker 2 (05:44):
Let's get to what Fox says and now say every
day at this time Doug Gottlieb Show. In the Bonus Podcast,
we play for your portion of previous show. Fox Sports Radio,
Fox Sports One. Here's Dan Patrick talking about the Thunder.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Now there's this rush to is okay see one of
the great teams of all time? And the answer is no,
they're not. They had a great regular season, but you
were pushed to seven games by Denver and pushed to
seven games by Indiana. Great teams don't get pushed to
seven games, not twice in a playoff series. Now, that
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doesn't mean that they're not in the hall of very
good teams. I think what's going to happen. This will
work in reverse. It might be two or three years
from now when we look back at Okasee and say,
you know what, they were a great team. Because we're
going to see what's going to happen in the next
couple of years now, that's not fair to them. I
know Oklahoma City thunder fans get upset when we don't
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crown them and then praise them. Well, we crown them,
we have praised them, But don't look for this, you know,
the fast pass to go to great teams of all time?
Speaker 2 (06:54):
You're not.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Oka see right now is a one hit wonder and
it's a big hit. But let's see what you do.
What do you add to your catalog?
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Yeah, I don't actually know where Dan's getting that one. Yeah,
that one. I don't actually think I've heard that oklhom
City is one of the great teams of all time.
I do think it's say, hey, let's take a breath
and let's see where this thing goes. I don't know
if they're one of you know, Dan Byer's like that,
well they're the worst champion of all time. Like again,
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I think that's a little extreme. I'm not willing to
go there either. So again, it's this is really hard
for sports fans. It's really hard for people in general
to just go, hey, let's take a breath and let's
see how something plays out. I know it's a really
new concept to actually have patience with whatever process you
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want to call this, But I do think that this
requires patience. Everyone wants this to be the first one
to I was the first one to buy stock in.
I was the first one to hear this album. I
saw them live on their first tour. You know, it's
like we want some sort of ownership that we discovered
or we called it before or right as it happened,
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as opposed to everybody else being coming in. Like I
understand that my ex wife and I one of our
one of our long standing jokes was it used to
play a place called Hastings and still oat to Oklahoma,
and it's where you got all your CDs and DVDs.
And I believe I was the first one to buy
a Dixie Chicks CD when it came out. Uh, and
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it was during my sophomore year. It's just kind of
random purchase and I end up really liking it. Again,
I'm not sitting here saying I'm tried and true Dixie
Chicks to this point, I think they're the chicks now, right.
Didn't they think that was racist or something? Or yeah? Anyway,
regardless of which, I think I was the first. But
she made fun of me for it for a long time,
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and I've learned that Yeah, I probably wasn't the first,
and there's no real glory in it anyway. The point
is that there's something about our human nature that we
have to be the first to call something and this
requires patience and time, and it's something that we just
don't seem to want to afford. This is Nick right
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talking about Kevin Rant and the Rockets.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
I think I'll pick them to win the West.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
Really.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
I think they have a great blend of what we've
seen works right now in the NBA, which is you
talked about the defense, bang, high level coaching, no doubt
about it, depth, and a guy who can get you
a guaranteed twenty five plus, which Kevin Rance still is
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like no, there's no question about it. And the fact
that they were able to get him and give up,
in my opinion, very little.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
I think, like, look at their nine man next year.
So this is my projected top line as they're starting five,
Fred Van Vliet, Amon Thompson who might take a huge leap, Durant,
Jabar Smith Junior, the top three pick Shingoon and then
I think really good depth.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Yeah, I just the NBA season added ended two days ago.
No one's roster is close to being complete. And I
do agree with some of the sentiment. I don't from
from this standpoint that I don't actually think, uh, they're
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they're that good defensively with Schenguin and Kevin Durrant. Not
that Kevin Rant's a non defender, but at his age,
at his peak, he was never a great defender and
at his age, eh whatever. But regardless of which, I
just again time and patience too early to call means
he likes it and they paid very little for him.
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Here's Colin Cowhert talking about the comparisons between Lebron and
Cooper flag.
Speaker 6 (11:15):
I have never been into guys with an absolute go
to move. The best restaurants I've ever been at don't
have a signature dish. They just do everything well. You
can get a cop salad, you can get a chicken palm.
The cocktails are good, so are the desserts. Everything's good.
That's a good restaurant. Lebron James at his age led
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the NBA in getting a bucket in the fourth quarter,
and the knock on Lebron is well, he doesn't have
a signature move. That's because he's a better ball handler
than Michael Jordan or Kareem He's a better ball handler.
He elevates others, He's smart. Lebron always gets a really
good shot when you need him to get a good shot.
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He's not limited or boxed in or marginalized by having
to go to a signature move. So I think Cooper
Flag is going to get drafted. I think he's going
to average almost twenty a game as a rookie. I
think he's going to have a great back wall of
defense in Dallas and they're bigs behind him. And the
thing I like most about him he doesn't have a
go to move. He's not concerned about having a bag.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
M okay, so having a bag in a go to
move or not the same thing. And I think that's
where Colin is a little mistaken there because he's done
this thing about well, guy's a go to move, signature move,
like I've never heard anybody say that about anybody. If
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you have a signature go to move like great, you know.
And most people think Lebron for his jumper. He has
that kind of weird side step step back where he
starts with the ball in his right hand and yeah,
it's it's a kind of it's kind of awkward, but
he gets it off and he makes it more times
than not. But that that's something he developed in the NBA.
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When people say that that he doesn't have a bag,
it's I've heard, you know back when I played, it
was you don't have game and the ability to create
your own shots with you know, lateral movement or hesitation
or whatever. And yeah, I just I truly don't I
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the go to move thing. I think Colin is misassociated
with a bag. A bag is not a go to move.
A bag is multiple moves. Bag is off the dribble game. Now,
if Colin wanted to say, hey, a bag is overrated,
I would agree with you. I'd agree you don't have
to have it. Kevin rant does right, He's got an
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incredible crossover. He's got the ability to get the mid range. Uh,
he's got a hes he and a heasy has he
crossover into a mid range. Like that's when people say
you got a bag. But nine out of ten NBA
players don't have to have that. Guys that are spacers,
guys that are three and D guys, you know, those
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guys don't have to have a bag, and I don't
think Cooper Flagg has to have a bag per se either.
But I've also never seen any comparison between him and
Lebron James other than ever they were there. Everyone knew
they were gonna be the number one pick when they
were in high school, early on in high school. So yeah,
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I mean, I would love to be critical of Calm,
but I do think in this particular case, I can't
be because I think he's he he's either misusing or
doesn't understand the term bag.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
I think Colin was referring to Scalbrini, So we played
this on the radio show Brian Scalbrini, former player, current analysts.
He also worked out Cooper Flagg the spring and came
away with this comparison.
Speaker 7 (14:57):
Lebron James. He's just not an F one race. Lebron
is two sixty fast four for forty ahead above the rim.
Cooper Flag's not a bad athlete, He's a good ath
He's a great athlete. Lebron's a super athlete. But they
process the same. I know it's unfair, but I'll eventually
be right. People will know, like three years from now,
they'll be like, oh yeah, scouts said it if he
has the same longevity' that's I'm just giving a comparison
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of what he could be, but not you can't look
at fifty thousand points and championships and any of that stuff. THO,
there's some variable to that. But they Lebron has scored
fifty thousand points, doesn't have a go two shot. I'm
not sure he has a go two shot. It's just
a basketball player that makes things happen. Lebron's a freak
of nature. Defensively, He's a freak of nature. Defensively, Lebron
can run point. He can run point six eight point
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guards six eight point guard like he trends like that
more than a shooting guard or a Kawhi Leonard or
anything like that. And it's just he doesn't want to
say it, but that's what it's gonna be.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Yeah, Okay, so that's the scout's talking about. That's not
a bag go to. I don't know. I just don't
I understand what Scu's saying. Skal's like, look, he's good.
I don't understand why we can't just go like, he's
a great player. I think he's gonna be a great player.
And he's not a great player because of moves. He's
a great player because he has feel, he has understanding,
he has skill, he has size, he does play. You know,
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in college he played bigger than his actual size. You know,
he was only six he's only six seven a half.
I think barefoot, and he had two hundred and twenty pounds.
But he never seems to be bothered by other strength.
I look, I think Cooper Flag is super tough. I
needs to be a tremendous player. I think putting him
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anywhere near the expectations of Lebron James is kind of ridiculous.
And I love scal I love his the kids great,
and he's super young. Remember uh, he was kind of
a tweener. He reclassed, so technically he could be coming
into his freshman year in college, but I wouldn't. I'm
just not gonna put the Lebron thing on him. I
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don't think does he play way older? Is he never scared?
Does has he been able to more than hold his
own even last year with USA basketball? Yeah? Yeah, But
I just the idea that we're gonna put Lebron James
expectations or compare his game to Lebron James because Lebron
James was a point guard coming out, and Cooper Flag
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is a he faces the basket a lot, but he's
not a point guard. Yeah, I I don't know. I
don't love that. I don't love the comp even if
I understand what Scout's getting at, because Scout's saying their
games aren't similar, but they're similar in a couple of instances,
if that makes sense. It just throws people off when
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you use a comp. And I also think that Scout's
trying to do the thing that so many people want
us to do, which is like, don't use a comp
of a white guy like, Okay, he doesn't you know, Okay,
I can't find a place like he is a tougher
Tom Chambers, although Tom Chambers crazy athletic, and I think
Kevin Garnett is the guy who he most compares to.
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Although Kevin Garnett was freaky athletic vertically, and I think
Cooper's a really good athlete. He's not Kevin Garnett, but
his body is built way better than Garnet's was. When
Garnett came Toro out of high school, that would be
the guy that I would compare him to. That's what
the Fox is.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Say, be sure to catch live editions of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekday. He's at three pm Eastern noon Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Let's find out who What's annoying? Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
And now it's your annoying, Hey, Doug.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
I love I love getting the listener feedback. John Boat
Giants and that's a j o N for anyone who
wants to reach out to John Boat Giants on Instagram.
Thought to send me a direct message about content we
covered yesterday. Just to back up a little bit, this
was Rebecca Lobo during the broadcast on Sunday, and I
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forget what's the name of her co host or her
play by play person. Her broadcast partner Pam Ward, had
this exchange on Sunday.
Speaker 8 (19:30):
So they disagree with you, they do, and I disagree
with them, and that's fine. That's what makes America great, right,
Pam Mark, I should rephrase that, yes, yeah, I did
an opinion, or perfectly yes, that's a better way to
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say sorry.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
I So my thought and I thought maybe Doug agreed
with me on this is that it's we've reached a
really dangerous point when while doing an American sports broadcast,
you have to have an uncomfortable silence and an apology
after you make the phrase that's what makes America great
and disagreeing with each other. So uh, John bot Giants,
(20:15):
I appreciate the fact that he listens. He says, Hey,
Jay stew, take your maga hat off for a minute,
and maybe you will realize that there are marginalized people
out there that are triggered by what Trump's racist catchphrase means.
I'm not maga, never been maga. If you listen to
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this podcast at all, you know that I am very
critical of both sides. I said during the election season
that I think neither candidate are worthy of being president,
and I voted as such.
Speaker 8 (20:48):
I do.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
I am pro choice, I think I believe in a
public safety net, and I also don't think that immigrants
that work long, hard hours for low wages should be
kicked out of our country. Each of those things contradict
what maga means. I'm not maga. But here's a problem
with John Boat Jones. You listen to the wrong people.
(21:15):
I don't blame you as much as I believe the
people that inform your news you get your news from
the sources that have convinced people that a Nazi is
now in the White House, and you see everything through
that lens. And I feel bad for people like you.
If you heard Rebecca Lobo on Sunday and you're not
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offended by their reaction, then you just don't have common sense.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Yeah. I think the problem is I don't think John
bo Jones is an an idiot. I don't know personally
John Bones Jones. No, John Boat Jones, John Boat.
Speaker 9 (21:58):
Giant, right, I'm giant. Has he reached out to you before?
The Criticimbo giant? Yeah, but I thought you were you know,
we were making a John Bones Jones were just retired
by the way, Well.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
I what, I what, Jason. Here's how you and I connect,
is we both it's it's exactly like you pointed out,
like we don't align with either one of the sides
of the crazy sides of either party. You know, I'd
love that you pointed out there's things that you just
I grew up in Orange, California, in in the El
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Medina High School district. And if you knew where I
grew up again, I'm not sitting there going like I
grew up in Compton, like Orange was it was okay,
it was you know, uh, it was white, mostly white Mexican.
And my elementary school k through three third grade was
bilingual actually, And if you if you walk out of
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my the cul de Sac where my mom still lives
even to this day, and then you know, then there's
the Barrio Badio Medina, and then you walk down to
the corner by the donut shop or by I think
it's still an Ace Hardware. Right, Like every day there's day
workers and they you know, they hop in the back
of a truck and then they go work and they
get a day, a good honest day's pay, and then
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they come home and then they send some of that
money home. Right. So yeah, I'm with you. I mean,
there are things. Saturday to me was an unbelievable day
because I'm also very proud Jew, and I know more
about the Middle East than nine nine point nine percent
of the people who talk about it because I actually
lived there for a year and I've spent time there
and I was a dual citizen for that year that
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I was there because of my heritage. So I'm with you.
I just I hate when we have to have labels
and people you know when you have, especially you, Jason,
I actually I got your back on this because your
opinions are something that you put thought into, right, and
whereas other people it's just blind faith in a movement.
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And that's when it feels culty to you and it
becomes really easy to just openly criticize. And the same
for each side. By the way, you know, not every
person who agrees with some of the policies or the
current president of the United States is a racist. I
am not. Again, I thought I thought it actually would
have been really easy for the president at either any
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of the time, any of the three times he ran
for president, to just simply say, hey, if you're a
white supremacist or you're a blatant racist, I don't need
your vote to win this thing. I can win it
on my own right. He never did that, and so
it's a hard one for most of us. And I
don't understand the diminishing of certain holidays. Not others got it,
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but I just I hate that the what people call
people of different parties or based upon any one topic,
you should as a person be far more complex than that.
And Jase, do I know you're far more complied.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
I just think it's funny that like any crew of
any side means you're obviously a member of the other team.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Correct.
Speaker 5 (25:04):
I have conversations with my bleeding heart liberal sister who's
like a throwback hippie from the sixties, pot smoking hippie. Right,
anything I say critical of any Democrat, I must be
Trump supporter. And it's just it's it's dangerous. Now, Sam,
you had something to.
Speaker 9 (25:19):
Say, yeah, so I think you know we And I'm
seeing some articles kind of referencing the same thing with
Rebecca Lobo. The awkward exchange. This is not really, in
my opinion, completely on Rebecca Lobo. She makes a statement,
She's like, yeah, make it great again, whatever, a very
universal phrase. Pam Ward does not respond. The long pause
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of silence is pam Ward refusing to acknowledge what she
just said. So Rebecca Lobo apologizes, But really it was
pam Ward who should have just been like, yep and
move on. I've heard the term make something great again
in a movie in twenty twelve, pre dating Trump by
several years. It's a very universal term. Pam Ward should
have just said, hey, yeah, you're absolutely right, and not
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just waighted she yes, she. Pam Ward just let the
silence bleed out, and then Rebecca Lobo Ha'd be like, oh, well,
this is awkward. Now, I'm sorry about that. I meant,
you know, I could could have rephrased it. Pam Ward
should have just answered and kept on going because that
made it awkward.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
Been a good teammate now, And I will correct one
thing you said because it's important her. She didn't say
make America great again? No, I know she was using America.
She used a part of it. And that's what that's
that's in guiding here, is that she said something that
is just a cliched phrase that we should be proud of.
Speaker 9 (26:37):
Because Trump used a phrase, a pretty much a cliched
phrase to make it his campaign slogan.
Speaker 7 (26:43):
It's universe.
Speaker 9 (26:43):
Parts of that phrase are universally used by people in
language all the time. Also, if make America Great Again
is triggering to you, you've heard it ten thousand times,
it's probably you should just be tougher than that.
Speaker 5 (26:57):
The This is something that Doug is not very enthusied
about this topic. Okay, face of the NBA. I try
to run these things by you, and you give me
very little.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Feedback because I don't like it.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
Yeah, it's for talkers, it's.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
For it's for uh it's so fake.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
Talk space and people that do debate radio, debate TV.
But I will say this, it is a thing because
it rose to the level of Alex Caruso, recent champ,
two time champ, addressing it in a press conference about SGA.
Speaker 10 (27:34):
As far as you know, like face of the league
and best player on best team, he's got that capability.
I mean clearly the year he's had MVP Western Conference Finals,
MVP Finals, MVP Champion, And I think the thing that
sets him apart is he'll probably be hungry for more.
You know, he probably won't be satisfied with just winning
this one time. He'll want to do it again. He'll
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want to be better. He'll want to see how he
can tweak and maneuver his his game to better fit
and take advantage of the way people guard him.
Speaker 5 (28:03):
And I if SGA is the face of the NBA,
then the NBA is in big trouble. There's a reason
why Tim Duncan wasn't the face of the NBA. He
had all the credentials, all the awards, all the championships,
SGA is not interesting and great player, seems like a
really good dude, seems like a grounded, married guy. But
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he's not the face of the league. There's a reason
why Lebron James is the face of the NBA. Michael
Jordan was before that. There's a reason Caitlin Clark is
the face of the WNBA because they suck up all
the oxygen in the room when they are talked about
that you can't put, you can't measure that.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Let me help you. This is the Caitlin Clark discussion.
That's this the Kaitlin Clark discussion. Caitlin Clark's not the
best player in the WNBA, at least not yet. She
may become that. She's interesting, but she's not. And what
I think WNBA people they have a lot of issues.
But one of the issues that they have, Jason, is
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that they don't understand that it has nothing to do
with who's the best player. Asia Wilson has been the
best player of the past couple of years. Kevin Clark's
not there yet. It has to do with what people
gravitate towards. It's a lot like pop music, you know.
I actually had a great discussion with my son last night.
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We were driving for like an hour and a half.
And he's sixteen now so he can drive. So he's
driving and he likes new school underground rap, and he's like,
did you always when you were a high school kid?
Would you have listened to this? And I was like,
(29:43):
let me play for you. So we volley between what
he listened to what I listened to, kind of like
a rap musical journey, right, and then we started talking about, hey,
I had other musical interests and here's why, and what
my dad listened to and what my mom listened to,
and what my friends were into. Like when we'rehigh school,
everybody listen to alternative. He's like, did you listen to
country that? I was like, No, nobody listened to the
(30:04):
country when I was a kid. Now it's very much
kind of mainstream, almost poppy, right. And then I said
I never I was never somebody who listened to kiss FM.
I just wasn't. I wasn't a pop music guy. And
he's like, I don't get popular music. I was like,
no one's ever said pop music is the best music.
It's just the music that the most people like to
(30:25):
listen to, right, And that's what we're talking about with
face of the NBA, which people can't really and and
by the way, it's why the NBA is in a
very weird place because Lebron James has reached his peak
of popularity and now is on the downside of his career.
It's reasonable, but also we've gotten to this point to
where he's been around so much a lot more people
(30:48):
get annoyed with a lot of little things that they
don't need to get annoyed with. But because he's been
doing it and he's been so popular for so long,
we're kind of done there, right Steph Curry, he still
has that gravitational pull when he plays, but it feels
like he's reached the peak of his powers as well.
Be born annoyed by by Steph. But we it's we yes,
(31:10):
we get it. He makes a lot of threes. But
the point is that as Lebron has sucked all that
oxygen and Steff has sucked all the oxygen out of
the rooms, now comes the point of replacing them, and
we're trying to like hand pick a successor and go
ooh ooh that guy. It just kind of happens organically.
It just you can't force it, and for whatever reason
(31:32):
we try and force it. I don't understand that.
Speaker 5 (31:37):
So yesterday my my theory on Caleb Williams or I
made the metaphor he's the cheating spouse that spends the
rest of the relationship doing guilt guilt things like so
the rest of the relationship is you're the use the
spouse that wasn't cheated on, thinking is he doing this
(31:59):
out of the kindness of his heart because he loves me,
or is he doing it because he fucked around on me?
So that it's kind of like forever, distrusting and toxic.
That's what Caleb Williams has with Bear fans. He didn't
want to go there. It's been well documented there. It
was so well sourced that it's been written a book
Forever that will come out in the fall. So he
(32:22):
has to spend the rest of his relationship with the
person he cheated with trying to do nice things for them.
And so yesterday he said, you know, packers fans and
packers suck, trying to ingratiate himself to Bears fans. This
is what he said about his relationship with this current coach,
Ben Johnson.
Speaker 9 (32:41):
I love him he's awesome.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
It's been great, big around and we hang out.
Speaker 11 (32:45):
In his office and we just you know, we have
lunch sometimes things like that. We just you know, build
this bond relationship to be able to you know, last
a while. And so I know, Bears fans, you know,
it's a year after year typically or every year on
here where the Bears where you know, coaches and in
quarterbacks specifically are our in and out and our goal
(33:07):
is to be.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Here for a while.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
Our goals to be here for a while. We have
lunch together. Bears fans can't wait to be here for
a long time with my head coach.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Yeah, I mean, I do think you put it the
right way, and he's constantly Yeah. I honestly, your analogy
was great. I'd love to poke holes in it, but
it's great. So you're annoyed by the fact that he
has to keep doing this, has to keep going the
apology tour.
Speaker 5 (33:32):
Yeah, Kay Williams is annoying the face of the league
conversation as it really is to Shay and then calling
me Maga for questioning the Rebecca Wibbo exchange.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Yeah, I don't think there's anything more annoying than that.
The name calling because of a belief in the opposite
of something that's been said or whatever. Just dilabeling people.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
That why are we doing this because we can?
Speaker 5 (34:12):
Oh, this is a special one for you, John Boat giants.
Donald Trump is gonna make because we can today because
I think for the first time in the history of
the world, a sitting president on the White House lawn
dropped an F bomb.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Now we have we basically have two countries that have
been fighting so long and so hard that they don't
know what the fuck they're doing. Do you understand that?
Speaker 2 (34:38):
So good? I don't know that's actually an accurate portrayal
of it. I think they actually do know what they're doing,
and they they have their own way of doing it.
And he's, look, dude, you're just coming aboard to understand
that they're gonna They're gonna say one thing and do
the other. And they've been doing it for a long time.
But that was really good. That was a this is
(35:00):
what the guy is really like. It was amazing. And
for that, it's because we can. That's it for the
end The Modes Podcast. I got the radio show everyday
three to five Eastern Tell Too Pacific, Fox Sports Tradio,
iHeartRadio App. I'm Doug Golic
All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Heres in
the Bonus with Doug.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Gottl Doug Gottlieb Show. In the Bonus Fox Sports Radio,
iHeart Radio app welcome in. How are you? I was,
I was thinking of one of our discussions yesterday, guys,
and I was, I was talking about Joy Taylor and
obviously these remarks, which it's it's fair to say they're ridiculous,
(00:31):
right that, like Angel Reese is is a big reason
for Caitlin Clark's emergence, Like yeah, no, this is not
this is not bird Magic, It's not it's not not
what she is. Nonetheless, I do think we can use
this pod for good, not for evil. And I was
(00:55):
I I get people all the time who want to
help out. They want to enter and they want to
work for us. They want to work for Fox Sports Radio,
they want to get into TV, they want to get
into radio. And I've loved all the places that I've worked.
I mean, I mean, like even Stadium Sports. I was
doing a bunch of stuff for them in the past
six or seven years. And it's more kind of startup,
(01:19):
e entrepreneurial spirit, like doing shows from bizarre locations, or
whatever like that stuff was fun. It's really fun. But
there is one thing that remains a constant, and it's
there's one room and it's no different than probably your
(01:41):
place of work. I definitely think with sports teams, right,
it's like it's like there's one position room that always
has the drama on the football team, right, the wide
receiver room. You ever notice that, like the lineman never
have drama, they just don't. Sometimes a little bit of
quarterback what they said or how they played or whatever.
(02:04):
And now you know Caleb Williams stuff will get to
that later on the pod. But there's there's no more
dramatic room in the NFL than the wide receiver room.
There's always something going on there. Just that that that
position breeds eccentricity. And I was thinking that, Jay ste
(02:24):
you've done that. You've been in this business as long
as I have, if not longer. And uh, there is
one commonality at every place that I've worked, which is
stay out of the makeup room. And what happens with
a lot of people, especially women. I actually have a
great amount of sympathy and empathy for women in sports
(02:45):
because they walk into an environment where most guys don't
respect their opinion regardless of you know, it's really interesting.
You know, you could say, hey, well she never played anything. Yeah,
well there's lots of these guys that never played anything either.
They just did not ever, you know, they didn't play.
(03:07):
So what separates you. Oh, you're a guy, so you're
more equipped to talk about sport than she is to
talk about a sport that that doesn't That doesn't make
any sense none at all. Anyway. I think the biggest thing, though,
is that the last place they were before they go
on the set, or before they go into the podcast,
(03:28):
or before they go into meeting is the makeup room.
And the makeup room is the height of toxicity. It
is the cheer noble of media. It is. It's the
cheer noble of media. You come out of there and
you are glowing with negativity towards something because almost always
(03:48):
somebody in that room is sleeping with somebody they probably
shouldn't be sleeping with, and somebody feels I mean, I
remember one female co host who has not been named
on this podcast and will allow her to skate on
being named, but literally every time you walk by that
makeup room at Fox, someone had done her wrong, and
(04:10):
it's like it's almost an impossibility that every day of
your life somebody is doing you wrong. But that's how
she felt. That was her legitimate feeling. And so when
you're in a place and you're just sitting in a
makeup chair and people are just you know, lobbing negativity
about other people because yeah, some of them are hiding
(04:34):
the fact that they're sleeping with some of they should
not be, or they feel like the world has shamed
them or put them in a bad place. Whatever. You
come out of there almost glowing with negativity. So to
young people who want to get into this business, here's
my advice. It's advice that was given to me by
Dave Revsen of the Big ten Network. When you go in,
(04:57):
be nice, be cordial, keep your head down, say yes, ma'am, no, ma'am,
thank you, ma'am, and get the heck out of there.
That way, any of that negativity, if it rubs off
on you, it comes off a little cleaner. If you
get into conversations there, you're gonna come out and you'll
almost feel like that's the real world, and you'll that
(05:19):
negative that that negative energy, sexual tension, somebody has done
you wrong, is going to affect you in a negative
way when you get on the set. There you go.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Let's get to what Fox says and now say every
day at this time Doug Gottlieb Show. In the Bonus Podcast,
we play for your portion of previous show. Fox Sports Radio,
Fox Sports One. Here's Dan Patrick talking about the Thunder.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Now there's this rush to is okay see one of
the great teams of all time? And the answer is no,
they're not. They had a great regular season, but you
were pushed to seven games by Denver and pushed to
seven games by Indiana. Great teams don't get pushed to
seven games, not twice in a playoff series. Now, that
(06:20):
doesn't mean that they're not in the hall of very
good teams. I think what's going to happen. This will
work in reverse. It might be two or three years
from now when we look back at Okasee and say,
you know what, they were a great team. Because we're
going to see what's going to happen in the next
couple of years now, that's not fair to them. I
know Oklahoma City thunder fans get upset when we don't
(06:43):
crown them and then praise them. Well, we crown them,
we have praised them, But don't look for this, you know,
the fast pass to go to great teams of all time?
Speaker 2 (06:54):
You're not.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Oka see right now is a one hit wonder and
it's a big hit. But let's see what you do.
What do you add to your catalog?
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Yeah, I don't actually know where Dan's getting that one. Yeah,
that one. I don't actually think I've heard that oklhom
City is one of the great teams of all time.
I do think it's say, hey, let's take a breath
and let's see where this thing goes. I don't know
if they're one of you know, Dan Byer's like that,
well they're the worst champion of all time. Like again,
(07:30):
I think that's a little extreme. I'm not willing to
go there either. So again, it's this is really hard
for sports fans. It's really hard for people in general
to just go, hey, let's take a breath and let's
see how something plays out. I know it's a really
new concept to actually have patience with whatever process you
(07:52):
want to call this, But I do think that this
requires patience. Everyone wants this to be the first one
to I was the first one to buy stock in.
I was the first one to hear this album. I
saw them live on their first tour. You know, it's
like we want some sort of ownership that we discovered
or we called it before or right as it happened,
(08:14):
as opposed to everybody else being coming in. Like I
understand that my ex wife and I one of our
one of our long standing jokes was it used to
play a place called Hastings and still oat to Oklahoma,
and it's where you got all your CDs and DVDs.
And I believe I was the first one to buy
a Dixie Chicks CD when it came out. Uh, and
(08:37):
it was during my sophomore year. It's just kind of
random purchase and I end up really liking it. Again,
I'm not sitting here saying I'm tried and true Dixie
Chicks to this point, I think they're the chicks now, right.
Didn't they think that was racist or something? Or yeah? Anyway,
regardless of which, I think I was the first. But
she made fun of me for it for a long time,
(08:59):
and I've learned that Yeah, I probably wasn't the first,
and there's no real glory in it anyway. The point
is that there's something about our human nature that we
have to be the first to call something and this
requires patience and time, and it's something that we just
don't seem to want to afford. This is Nick right
(09:23):
talking about Kevin Rant and the Rockets.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
I think I'll pick them to win the West.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
Really.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
I think they have a great blend of what we've
seen works right now in the NBA, which is you
talked about the defense, bang, high level coaching, no doubt
about it, depth, and a guy who can get you
a guaranteed twenty five plus, which Kevin Rance still is
(09:54):
like no, there's no question about it. And the fact
that they were able to get him and give up,
in my opinion, very little.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
I think, like, look at their nine man next year.
So this is my projected top line as they're starting five,
Fred Van Vliet, Amon Thompson who might take a huge leap, Durant,
Jabar Smith Junior, the top three pick Shingoon and then
I think really good depth.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Yeah, I just the NBA season added ended two days ago.
No one's roster is close to being complete. And I
do agree with some of the sentiment. I don't from
from this standpoint that I don't actually think, uh, they're
(10:49):
they're that good defensively with Schenguin and Kevin Durrant. Not
that Kevin Rant's a non defender, but at his age,
at his peak, he was never a great defender and
at his age, eh whatever. But regardless of which, I
just again time and patience too early to call means
he likes it and they paid very little for him.
(11:11):
Here's Colin Cowhert talking about the comparisons between Lebron and
Cooper flag.
Speaker 6 (11:15):
I have never been into guys with an absolute go
to move. The best restaurants I've ever been at don't
have a signature dish. They just do everything well. You
can get a cop salad, you can get a chicken palm.
The cocktails are good, so are the desserts. Everything's good.
That's a good restaurant. Lebron James at his age led
(11:38):
the NBA in getting a bucket in the fourth quarter,
and the knock on Lebron is well, he doesn't have
a signature move. That's because he's a better ball handler
than Michael Jordan or Kareem He's a better ball handler.
He elevates others, He's smart. Lebron always gets a really
good shot when you need him to get a good shot.
(12:00):
He's not limited or boxed in or marginalized by having
to go to a signature move. So I think Cooper
Flag is going to get drafted. I think he's going
to average almost twenty a game as a rookie. I
think he's going to have a great back wall of
defense in Dallas and they're bigs behind him. And the
thing I like most about him he doesn't have a
go to move. He's not concerned about having a bag.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
M okay, so having a bag in a go to
move or not the same thing. And I think that's
where Colin is a little mistaken there because he's done
this thing about well, guy's a go to move, signature move,
like I've never heard anybody say that about anybody. If
(12:46):
you have a signature go to move like great, you know.
And most people think Lebron for his jumper. He has
that kind of weird side step step back where he
starts with the ball in his right hand and yeah,
it's it's a kind of it's kind of awkward, but
he gets it off and he makes it more times
than not. But that that's something he developed in the NBA.
(13:08):
When people say that that he doesn't have a bag,
it's I've heard, you know back when I played, it
was you don't have game and the ability to create
your own shots with you know, lateral movement or hesitation
or whatever. And yeah, I just I truly don't I
(13:29):
the go to move thing. I think Colin is misassociated
with a bag. A bag is not a go to move.
A bag is multiple moves. Bag is off the dribble game. Now,
if Colin wanted to say, hey, a bag is overrated,
I would agree with you. I'd agree you don't have
to have it. Kevin rant does right, He's got an
(13:50):
incredible crossover. He's got the ability to get the mid range. Uh,
he's got a hes he and a heasy has he
crossover into a mid range. Like that's when people say
you got a bag. But nine out of ten NBA
players don't have to have that. Guys that are spacers,
guys that are three and D guys, you know, those
(14:12):
guys don't have to have a bag, and I don't
think Cooper Flagg has to have a bag per se either.
But I've also never seen any comparison between him and
Lebron James other than ever they were there. Everyone knew
they were gonna be the number one pick when they
were in high school, early on in high school. So yeah,
(14:32):
I mean, I would love to be critical of Calm,
but I do think in this particular case, I can't
be because I think he's he he's either misusing or
doesn't understand the term bag.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
I think Colin was referring to Scalbrini, So we played
this on the radio show Brian Scalbrini, former player, current analysts.
He also worked out Cooper Flagg the spring and came
away with this comparison.
Speaker 7 (14:57):
Lebron James. He's just not an F one race. Lebron
is two sixty fast four for forty ahead above the rim.
Cooper Flag's not a bad athlete, He's a good ath
He's a great athlete. Lebron's a super athlete. But they
process the same. I know it's unfair, but I'll eventually
be right. People will know, like three years from now,
they'll be like, oh yeah, scouts said it if he
has the same longevity' that's I'm just giving a comparison
(15:22):
of what he could be, but not you can't look
at fifty thousand points and championships and any of that stuff. THO,
there's some variable to that. But they Lebron has scored
fifty thousand points, doesn't have a go two shot. I'm
not sure he has a go two shot. It's just
a basketball player that makes things happen. Lebron's a freak
of nature. Defensively, He's a freak of nature. Defensively, Lebron
can run point. He can run point six eight point
(15:44):
guards six eight point guard like he trends like that
more than a shooting guard or a Kawhi Leonard or
anything like that. And it's just he doesn't want to
say it, but that's what it's gonna be.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Yeah, Okay, so that's the scout's talking about. That's not
a bag go to. I don't know. I just don't
I understand what Scu's saying. Skal's like, look, he's good.
I don't understand why we can't just go like, he's
a great player. I think he's gonna be a great player.
And he's not a great player because of moves. He's
a great player because he has feel, he has understanding,
he has skill, he has size, he does play. You know,
(16:21):
in college he played bigger than his actual size. You know,
he was only six he's only six seven a half.
I think barefoot, and he had two hundred and twenty pounds.
But he never seems to be bothered by other strength.
I look, I think Cooper Flag is super tough. I
needs to be a tremendous player. I think putting him
(16:41):
anywhere near the expectations of Lebron James is kind of ridiculous.
And I love scal I love his the kids great,
and he's super young. Remember uh, he was kind of
a tweener. He reclassed, so technically he could be coming
into his freshman year in college, but I wouldn't. I'm
just not gonna put the Lebron thing on him. I
(17:02):
don't think does he play way older? Is he never scared?
Does has he been able to more than hold his
own even last year with USA basketball? Yeah? Yeah, But
I just the idea that we're gonna put Lebron James
expectations or compare his game to Lebron James because Lebron
James was a point guard coming out, and Cooper Flag
(17:27):
is a he faces the basket a lot, but he's
not a point guard. Yeah, I I don't know. I
don't love that. I don't love the comp even if
I understand what Scout's getting at, because Scout's saying their
games aren't similar, but they're similar in a couple of instances,
if that makes sense. It just throws people off when
(17:49):
you use a comp. And I also think that Scout's
trying to do the thing that so many people want
us to do, which is like, don't use a comp
of a white guy like, Okay, he doesn't you know, Okay,
I can't find a place like he is a tougher
Tom Chambers, although Tom Chambers crazy athletic, and I think
Kevin Garnett is the guy who he most compares to.
(18:12):
Although Kevin Garnett was freaky athletic vertically, and I think
Cooper's a really good athlete. He's not Kevin Garnett, but
his body is built way better than Garnet's was. When
Garnett came Toro out of high school, that would be
the guy that I would compare him to. That's what
the Fox is.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Say, be sure to catch live editions of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekday. He's at three pm Eastern noon Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Let's find out who What's annoying? Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
And now it's your annoying, Hey, Doug.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
I love I love getting the listener feedback. John Boat
Giants and that's a j o N for anyone who
wants to reach out to John Boat Giants on Instagram.
Thought to send me a direct message about content we
covered yesterday. Just to back up a little bit, this
was Rebecca Lobo during the broadcast on Sunday, and I
(19:19):
forget what's the name of her co host or her
play by play person. Her broadcast partner Pam Ward, had
this exchange on Sunday.
Speaker 8 (19:30):
So they disagree with you, they do, and I disagree
with them, and that's fine. That's what makes America great, right,
Pam Mark, I should rephrase that, yes, yeah, I did
an opinion, or perfectly yes, that's a better way to
(19:51):
say sorry.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
I So my thought and I thought maybe Doug agreed
with me on this is that it's we've reached a
really dangerous point when while doing an American sports broadcast,
you have to have an uncomfortable silence and an apology
after you make the phrase that's what makes America great
and disagreeing with each other. So uh, John bot Giants,
(20:15):
I appreciate the fact that he listens. He says, Hey,
Jay stew, take your maga hat off for a minute,
and maybe you will realize that there are marginalized people
out there that are triggered by what Trump's racist catchphrase means.
I'm not maga, never been maga. If you listen to
(20:35):
this podcast at all, you know that I am very
critical of both sides. I said during the election season
that I think neither candidate are worthy of being president,
and I voted as such.
Speaker 8 (20:48):
I do.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
I am pro choice, I think I believe in a
public safety net, and I also don't think that immigrants
that work long, hard hours for low wages should be
kicked out of our country. Each of those things contradict
what maga means. I'm not maga. But here's a problem
with John Boat Jones. You listen to the wrong people.
(21:15):
I don't blame you as much as I believe the
people that inform your news you get your news from
the sources that have convinced people that a Nazi is
now in the White House, and you see everything through
that lens. And I feel bad for people like you.
If you heard Rebecca Lobo on Sunday and you're not
(21:37):
offended by their reaction, then you just don't have common sense.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Yeah. I think the problem is I don't think John
bo Jones is an an idiot. I don't know personally
John Bones Jones. No, John Boat Jones, John Boat.
Speaker 9 (21:58):
Giant, right, I'm giant. Has he reached out to you before?
The Criticimbo giant? Yeah, but I thought you were you know,
we were making a John Bones Jones were just retired
by the way, Well.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
I what, I what, Jason. Here's how you and I connect,
is we both it's it's exactly like you pointed out,
like we don't align with either one of the sides
of the crazy sides of either party. You know, I'd
love that you pointed out there's things that you just
I grew up in Orange, California, in in the El
(22:28):
Medina High School district. And if you knew where I
grew up again, I'm not sitting there going like I
grew up in Compton, like Orange was it was okay,
it was you know, uh, it was white, mostly white Mexican.
And my elementary school k through three third grade was
bilingual actually, And if you if you walk out of
(22:51):
my the cul de Sac where my mom still lives
even to this day, and then you know, then there's
the Barrio Badio Medina, and then you walk down to
the corner by the donut shop or by I think
it's still an Ace Hardware. Right, Like every day there's day
workers and they you know, they hop in the back
of a truck and then they go work and they
get a day, a good honest day's pay, and then
(23:12):
they come home and then they send some of that
money home. Right. So yeah, I'm with you. I mean,
there are things. Saturday to me was an unbelievable day
because I'm also very proud Jew, and I know more
about the Middle East than nine nine point nine percent
of the people who talk about it because I actually
lived there for a year and I've spent time there
and I was a dual citizen for that year that
(23:34):
I was there because of my heritage. So I'm with you.
I just I hate when we have to have labels
and people you know when you have, especially you, Jason,
I actually I got your back on this because your
opinions are something that you put thought into, right, and
whereas other people it's just blind faith in a movement.
(23:57):
And that's when it feels culty to you and it
becomes really easy to just openly criticize. And the same
for each side. By the way, you know, not every
person who agrees with some of the policies or the
current president of the United States is a racist. I
am not. Again, I thought I thought it actually would
have been really easy for the president at either any
(24:19):
of the time, any of the three times he ran
for president, to just simply say, hey, if you're a
white supremacist or you're a blatant racist, I don't need
your vote to win this thing. I can win it
on my own right. He never did that, and so
it's a hard one for most of us. And I
don't understand the diminishing of certain holidays. Not others got it,
(24:42):
but I just I hate that the what people call
people of different parties or based upon any one topic,
you should as a person be far more complex than that.
And Jase, do I know you're far more complied.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
I just think it's funny that like any crew of
any side means you're obviously a member of the other team.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Correct.
Speaker 5 (25:04):
I have conversations with my bleeding heart liberal sister who's
like a throwback hippie from the sixties, pot smoking hippie. Right,
anything I say critical of any Democrat, I must be
Trump supporter. And it's just it's it's dangerous. Now, Sam,
you had something to.
Speaker 9 (25:19):
Say, yeah, so I think you know we And I'm
seeing some articles kind of referencing the same thing with
Rebecca Lobo. The awkward exchange. This is not really, in
my opinion, completely on Rebecca Lobo. She makes a statement,
She's like, yeah, make it great again, whatever, a very
universal phrase. Pam Ward does not respond. The long pause
(25:42):
of silence is pam Ward refusing to acknowledge what she
just said. So Rebecca Lobo apologizes, But really it was
pam Ward who should have just been like, yep and
move on. I've heard the term make something great again
in a movie in twenty twelve, pre dating Trump by
several years. It's a very universal term. Pam Ward should
have just said, hey, yeah, you're absolutely right, and not
(26:04):
just waighted she yes, she. Pam Ward just let the
silence bleed out, and then Rebecca Lobo Ha'd be like, oh, well,
this is awkward. Now, I'm sorry about that. I meant,
you know, I could could have rephrased it. Pam Ward
should have just answered and kept on going because that
made it awkward.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
Been a good teammate now, And I will correct one
thing you said because it's important her. She didn't say
make America great again? No, I know she was using America.
She used a part of it. And that's what that's
that's in guiding here, is that she said something that
is just a cliched phrase that we should be proud of.
Speaker 9 (26:37):
Because Trump used a phrase, a pretty much a cliched
phrase to make it his campaign slogan.
Speaker 7 (26:43):
It's universe.
Speaker 9 (26:43):
Parts of that phrase are universally used by people in
language all the time. Also, if make America Great Again
is triggering to you, you've heard it ten thousand times,
it's probably you should just be tougher than that.
Speaker 5 (26:57):
The This is something that Doug is not very enthusied
about this topic. Okay, face of the NBA. I try
to run these things by you, and you give me
very little.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Feedback because I don't like it.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
Yeah, it's for talkers, it's.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
For it's for uh it's so fake.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
Talk space and people that do debate radio, debate TV.
But I will say this, it is a thing because
it rose to the level of Alex Caruso, recent champ,
two time champ, addressing it in a press conference about SGA.
Speaker 10 (27:34):
As far as you know, like face of the league
and best player on best team, he's got that capability.
I mean clearly the year he's had MVP Western Conference Finals,
MVP Finals, MVP Champion, And I think the thing that
sets him apart is he'll probably be hungry for more.
You know, he probably won't be satisfied with just winning
this one time. He'll want to do it again. He'll
(27:55):
want to be better. He'll want to see how he
can tweak and maneuver his his game to better fit
and take advantage of the way people guard him.
Speaker 5 (28:03):
And I if SGA is the face of the NBA,
then the NBA is in big trouble. There's a reason
why Tim Duncan wasn't the face of the NBA. He
had all the credentials, all the awards, all the championships,
SGA is not interesting and great player, seems like a
really good dude, seems like a grounded, married guy. But
(28:25):
he's not the face of the league. There's a reason
why Lebron James is the face of the NBA. Michael
Jordan was before that. There's a reason Caitlin Clark is
the face of the WNBA because they suck up all
the oxygen in the room when they are talked about
that you can't put, you can't measure that.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Let me help you. This is the Caitlin Clark discussion.
That's this the Kaitlin Clark discussion. Caitlin Clark's not the
best player in the WNBA, at least not yet. She
may become that. She's interesting, but she's not. And what
I think WNBA people they have a lot of issues.
But one of the issues that they have, Jason, is
(29:02):
that they don't understand that it has nothing to do
with who's the best player. Asia Wilson has been the
best player of the past couple of years. Kevin Clark's
not there yet. It has to do with what people
gravitate towards. It's a lot like pop music, you know.
I actually had a great discussion with my son last night.
(29:22):
We were driving for like an hour and a half.
And he's sixteen now so he can drive. So he's
driving and he likes new school underground rap, and he's like,
did you always when you were a high school kid?
Would you have listened to this? And I was like,
(29:43):
let me play for you. So we volley between what
he listened to what I listened to, kind of like
a rap musical journey, right, and then we started talking about, hey,
I had other musical interests and here's why, and what
my dad listened to and what my mom listened to,
and what my friends were into. Like when we'rehigh school,
everybody listen to alternative. He's like, did you listen to
country that? I was like, No, nobody listened to the
(30:04):
country when I was a kid. Now it's very much
kind of mainstream, almost poppy, right. And then I said
I never I was never somebody who listened to kiss FM.
I just wasn't. I wasn't a pop music guy. And
he's like, I don't get popular music. I was like,
no one's ever said pop music is the best music.
It's just the music that the most people like to
(30:25):
listen to, right, And that's what we're talking about with
face of the NBA, which people can't really and and
by the way, it's why the NBA is in a
very weird place because Lebron James has reached his peak
of popularity and now is on the downside of his career.
It's reasonable, but also we've gotten to this point to
where he's been around so much a lot more people
(30:48):
get annoyed with a lot of little things that they
don't need to get annoyed with. But because he's been
doing it and he's been so popular for so long,
we're kind of done there, right Steph Curry, he still
has that gravitational pull when he plays, but it feels
like he's reached the peak of his powers as well.
Be born annoyed by by Steph. But we it's we yes,
(31:10):
we get it. He makes a lot of threes. But
the point is that as Lebron has sucked all that
oxygen and Steff has sucked all the oxygen out of
the rooms, now comes the point of replacing them, and
we're trying to like hand pick a successor and go
ooh ooh that guy. It just kind of happens organically.
It just you can't force it, and for whatever reason
(31:32):
we try and force it. I don't understand that.
Speaker 5 (31:37):
So yesterday my my theory on Caleb Williams or I
made the metaphor he's the cheating spouse that spends the
rest of the relationship doing guilt guilt things like so
the rest of the relationship is you're the use the
spouse that wasn't cheated on, thinking is he doing this
(31:59):
out of the kindness of his heart because he loves me,
or is he doing it because he fucked around on me?
So that it's kind of like forever, distrusting and toxic.
That's what Caleb Williams has with Bear fans. He didn't
want to go there. It's been well documented there. It
was so well sourced that it's been written a book
Forever that will come out in the fall. So he
(32:22):
has to spend the rest of his relationship with the
person he cheated with trying to do nice things for them.
And so yesterday he said, you know, packers fans and
packers suck, trying to ingratiate himself to Bears fans. This
is what he said about his relationship with this current coach,
Ben Johnson.
Speaker 9 (32:41):
I love him he's awesome.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
It's been great, big around and we hang out.
Speaker 11 (32:45):
In his office and we just you know, we have
lunch sometimes things like that. We just you know, build
this bond relationship to be able to you know, last
a while. And so I know, Bears fans, you know,
it's a year after year typically or every year on
here where the Bears where you know, coaches and in
quarterbacks specifically are our in and out and our goal
(33:07):
is to be.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Here for a while.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
Our goals to be here for a while. We have
lunch together. Bears fans can't wait to be here for
a long time with my head coach.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Yeah, I mean, I do think you put it the
right way, and he's constantly Yeah. I honestly, your analogy
was great. I'd love to poke holes in it, but
it's great. So you're annoyed by the fact that he
has to keep doing this, has to keep going the
apology tour.
Speaker 5 (33:32):
Yeah, Kay Williams is annoying the face of the league
conversation as it really is to Shay and then calling
me Maga for questioning the Rebecca Wibbo exchange.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Yeah, I don't think there's anything more annoying than that.
The name calling because of a belief in the opposite
of something that's been said or whatever. Just dilabeling people.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
That why are we doing this because we can?
Speaker 5 (34:12):
Oh, this is a special one for you, John Boat giants.
Donald Trump is gonna make because we can today because
I think for the first time in the history of
the world, a sitting president on the White House lawn
dropped an F bomb.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Now we have we basically have two countries that have
been fighting so long and so hard that they don't
know what the fuck they're doing. Do you understand that?
Speaker 2 (34:38):
So good? I don't know that's actually an accurate portrayal
of it. I think they actually do know what they're doing,
and they they have their own way of doing it.
And he's, look, dude, you're just coming aboard to understand
that they're gonna They're gonna say one thing and do
the other. And they've been doing it for a long time.
But that was really good. That was a this is
(35:00):
what the guy is really like. It was amazing. And
for that, it's because we can. That's it for the
end The Modes Podcast. I got the radio show everyday
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