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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show, years in
the Bonus with Doug Gottlieb.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
What Up, Doug Gottlieb Show, and the Bonus on Fox
Sports Radio, the iHeartRadio app. I hope you're doing well.
Mm hmmm. So Bronni is gonna take on Cooper Flag
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in tonight's first Summer League game or first Summer League
night in Las Vegas. And look, I'm sure there's always
going to be a portion of people who listen to
this are like, you're just your anti Brown and anti Brian, Like, no,
I'm not. I'm just being realistic. Having played in the
in the Summer League back when it's at Long Beach
State for the LA Lakers, I can tell you unequivocally
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my expectations are for him to be the best player
on the floor, period stop. He played most of the
year with the Lakers, he played a ton with the
G League. He has that experience. Anybody else who's a
second year NBA player who played any sort of minutes,
some guys who didn't. The expectations are and use. The
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outcome is that they dominate. So we gotta pay attention
to Cooper Flag how they use him, how he plays.
Granted he's only eighteen years old, but for Brownie James
having that amount of experience, it's not unfair to ask
him to dominate. The only part that makes it unfair
is I don't know there's ever been a high school
game or a college game in which he's ever dominated,
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not one I've seen. So you are asking him to
do something. Whereas he's a really good blend player at
any level, but how he shoots the ball, how he plays,
can he be a dominant player against non NBA players
or young players or journeyman players after having a year
experienced in the league. That's what tonight is as much
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about us as for Flag's debut. All right, let's get
to the Fox said.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
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Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
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Speaker 2 (02:13):
Let's get to the Foxes and now.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
What does the Fox Say?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Every day? At this time? In the Bonus podcast, we
play for you a previous version of a previous show
on Fox Sports Radio Fox Sports One. We call it
what does the Fox Say? Uh So this was earlier today,
Earlier Today, Rob Parker said this about coach primes. Take
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that college football needs a cap on an al.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Shame on Dion Sanders for being a hypocrite. Shame on you.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Did you call for a cap when the coaches were
making twenty million dollars eighteen mill?
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Where was the coach's cap? Is that fair?
Speaker 4 (02:56):
That Nick Sable was making a gazillion dollars off the
kids back?
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Where was that cap? Dion?
Speaker 4 (03:03):
How come you didn't call for this when your boys,
your kids were in college shadoor? Why didn't Shador give
the money back and say, you know what, I'm just
playing for the hell of it.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
My dad's a former NFL player. We got loot.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
I don't need money. I'm here to play football. Did
Shador take the money? This is ludicris. The only people
you want to punish are the players, the actual product, Dion.
Without the players, you can't coach, you can't sell tickets.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
And I'm talking about the players as a whole.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
All people ever do and his evidence, who were the
reporters sitting there and allowing him to give the evidence
that look at the teams who spent the most money.
They all in to have the chief teams changed. Has
Ohio State all of a sudden become this team that
gets there every year?
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Okay, Well, without the shouting and the screaming. Nowhere to
Dion suggest that anybody wasn't going to get paid. He's
simply saying there needs to be some sort of cap,
which they're supposed to be with the new settlement. The
difference is that those a lot of schools are going
to add to that with nil on top of it.
So you're doing a rev share. You're sharing in the revenue,
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which again, like Rob's completely dismissing the fact that in
the revenue which doesn't actually exist at all schools. Right,
you're sharing. We're doing a rev share. Even if we're
not making money, we have to call it a rev share.
We have to find a way to create money or
to raise money so we can be competitive in our
league at our scale. Yeah, there's gonna have to be
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collective of collective bargating. And you know the question is
how can you get away with collective bargating without making
the players employees? And you may say to yourself, well,
you know employees, you know they should make them employees. Like, no,
they shouldn't. Okay, you don't have any understanding of a
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state employment system for state schools. There's so many different
hoops you have to kind of go through, jump through. Again,
this is like, this is just Rob yelling about shit.
He doesn't spend any time educating himself on right nowhere
to Dion say, hey, guys shouldn't be getting paid. But
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we're at this kind of ridiculous like just keep throwing
in money, and what it's going to do is, again,
it's going to create fewer opportunities for athletes. Okay, make
no mistake about it. It's going to create fewer opportunities
because the more that you spend at the highest level,
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the more teams that are at a lower level or
even at that high level are. Then the non revenue
generating sports are going to have to figure out like wait, okay,
I can't exist. You know again, Let's just take the SEC, right,
they get their twenty two million in REVS share, they
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give football the thirteen million or so. Okay, then the
rest is supposed to go to men's basketball. But in
the SEC, they're going to spend it on some on baseball,
They'll spend some on softball. They'll spend some on whatever
other sport is important to them. Some it's I think Arkansas,
Texas track and field as well as basketball. Right, and
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then you have to create an out well for anyone
who's not in the SEC or Big ten to compete
with those schools, you really can't. And then at those
like at our school and we're lean, we got fourteen
fourteen varsity sports. But you know, the more we spend
on men women's basketball, the less scholarships you're gonna have
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for the other sports. There is a point to where
there's just not the money to do it, you know,
not the money to do it. And then Rob just
makes up totals about was it fair that Nick Saban? Yes,
it was fair because Nick Saban recruited the players, made
them in the stars and they won. And all the recruiting,
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all the ad sales, all the ticket sales, the one
consistent thing at Alabama through the twenty years success, fifteen
years success was Nick Saban. So yeah, so Rob is
not educated on it. He's wrong, and he's not willing
to understand that they're gonna have Eventually, they'll have some
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form of collective bargaining and there'll be some sort of
cap on what you can pay kids. And by the way,
I told people for my first fifteen years of doing
radio and television that what would happen, Okay, what would
happen is nil. Would not be about come down to
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my car dealership and buy a car here and do
so because Marcus Hall, my best returning player, Marcus Hall
tells you to do so where he gets five hundred
thousand in his pocket whatever per month. No, no, this is
not anil. This is just pay for play, and that's
not the spirit of it. It also takes away any
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sort of educational piece. And you can brush this out.
You can tell me all you want about Well, the
education doesn't matter, and I'm not disputing that. The new
rules in the way in which teams approach it and
the transfer portal doesn't have a ton to do with education.
It doesn't. But the fact is that a high percentage
of these student athletes are still the first ones in
their family to go to college. Get in a degree
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is paramount for the rest of their life. So there's
a value to it. And just dismissing it. There's just
so much you don't know until you've really immersed yourself
in it, and I think that's what Rob's kind of
exposing himself of. So yeah, I greatly disagree. Here's Dan
Patrick talking about Dallas Maverick's number one overall pick Cooper Flag.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
Summer League. It starts tonight and it's Cooper Flag. And
Marvin just told me the tickets are going for twenty
five hundred dollars to see Cooper Flag.
Speaker 6 (09:27):
So I'm hearing that resale price. I'm on a ticket
website right now.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
It says nine hundred and ninety nine dollars.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
That's what I'm seeing is the highest right now. Okay
on a ticket website.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
Okay, Paul, he's not buying this now buying it.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
I saw this headline the other day and it felt
like a boosted up headline, not real what the ticket
prices are.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
Well, he's also going against Brownie.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Oh yes, so I'm retracted it.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
Maybe that's why these tickets are going for whatever they're
going for. But Cooper Flag makes just a Summer League debut.
I don't know why. I don't think he'll win Rookie
of the Year because I don't think there's a second,
like there's really a candidate that's that close to him,
But I just wonder how he fits in with Dallas,
what they ask him to do, because it feels like
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some of these other guys are going to put up
decent numbers. Ace Bailey might put up good numbers for
a team that may not win twenty games in Utah.
Dylan Harper may put up some good numbers. Even looking
back at your guy who won the Rookie of the
Year for San Antonio, Yeah, I mean there were good numbers.
They're not great numbers, And I wonder what we're going
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to expect. What is fair for Cooper Flag these numbers
for his rookie year for a team that's got veterans.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
There's what's what's fair? Fair expectations for Cooper Flag. I
would say in the twelve and five or six for right,
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twelve and five or six, maybe fourteen. But the big
thing is like, that's a team that has a chance
to contend for a championship. Whenever Kyrie comes back, finding
out those roles, figuring things out, that's gonna be huge.
That's gonna be huge. Here's Ken Rosenthal talking about Baseball's
All Star Game.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
For first things First, one of the biggest snubs, Juan
Soto not making the All Star team?
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Is that the number one snub?
Speaker 6 (11:28):
And should fans be kind of bothered or upset about
him not making it?
Speaker 7 (11:34):
A lot of fans don't like the fact that he's
making seven hundred and sixty five million dollars. They're not
gonna be upset with him not being in the game.
If indeed that is what comes to pass. I still
believe they're going to find a way with other players
bowing out to get him on the team. He did
not have a typical Wan Soto start to the season.
We all know that he did have a historic June yep,
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and it was crazy what he did in June. He's
right in the middle of the league leaders now in
ops and all the significant measures. He should be there.
There's no question about it. And I'm a guy who
thinks that the biggest stars in the game should be
in this game. He is one of the biggest stars
in the game. Whether you like him or not, whether
you're jealous of his money or not, whether you hate
the meds or not.
Speaker 8 (12:17):
He should be there.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yeah, I mean, I think that's fair. I also think
that like this idea that the All Star Game is
only the first half of the season is stupid. It's stupid.
The All Star Game is not just the first half
of the season, you know, it's three factors in the
All Star Game selection. First half of the season, last
three hundred and sixty five days, so second half of
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last year, first half of this year, and your overall
baseball career. You know, overall baseball career. I mean, if
Shoe hee Otani was having an average or below average
first half of the season, would he still be an
All Star? Yes? Yes, one soda shit as well. That's
what the Fox said.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Let's find out who what is annoying? Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
And now it's your annoying, Hey, Doug.
Speaker 9 (13:29):
This is a great combination of a lack of education
and trying to sound smart typically speaking that produces a
mixed metaphor. This is an all timer. Michael Porter talking
about his new opportunity in New Jersey. Oh, Brooklyn.
Speaker 8 (13:48):
I'm really excited for this next chapter out here in Brooklyn.
I think over there in Denver, I felt like my
my ceiling had kind of plateaued. You know, we we
have a very we just have a way of playing,
you know, and how Joker plays, how Jamal plays that
two man game is very potent, and you know, that's
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how we play. And I'm so appreciative of the way
we play. We end up winning a championship. But I
do feel like my ceiling in Denver kind of plateaued
a little bit. And I'm excited for this next chapter
in Brooklyn for sure.
Speaker 9 (14:21):
All right, So Michael Porter, this is the reason. This
is how he felt with the Nuggets.
Speaker 8 (14:28):
My ceiling is kind of plateaued.
Speaker 9 (14:30):
So you can't have a plateau ceiling, I think all
I think all ceilings are pretty much plateaued. Other than
those dome ceilings. You could reach your ceiling and you can't.
Things can plateau. We've heard both of those analogies. But
ceilings don't plateau.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Do No, No, they do not plateau, not at all.
That's a weird one. That's a weird one. And by
the way, like Michael Port, like you were hurt last year.
All you do is shoot threes, But you know, why
not just say like, hey, I think I can make
more money here anyway.
Speaker 9 (15:08):
Because the ceiling plateau, and he wanted to sound smart
and end up sounding stupid.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Hey us, he used words that you think can kind
of go together but really doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 9 (15:21):
Leo Messi, Lionel Messi, however you want to put this,
He's gonna he wears a pink jersey for an MLS team.
He made history last night. Doug became the first MLS
player to score multiple goals in four straight league games.
So I think when he signed with the pink team. There.
The hot take in the first twenty four hour news
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cycle was this is going to put the MLS on
the map. Finally, after all these years, the greatest player
in the history of the game is going to make
MLS relevant. He has done in four straight games, something
no MLS player has ever done before, and it didn't
even touch the top ten of my news stories today.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Wait say it again, We'll move on.
Speaker 9 (16:11):
So ABS in the All Star Game, Major League Baseball
announced that they are going to do the automated balls
and strikes for the All Star Game, which makes almost
no sense. I've been very consistent on this podcast with
this message. MLB should have had ABS three years ago,
but it's been in this slow process of rolling it out.
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Try it in the minor leagues, try it in spring training,
and now they're going to put it in the All
Star Game as opposed to just having it full time
and putting it into October where it should be. Now
you're compelling your All Stars to look like petty assholes
and actually challenge a ball strike call in an exhibition game.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
That whole thing doesn't make any sense, Like, if you
have abs and you have it ready to go, why
are you gonna use it. It's gonna kind of be
made into a joke to use it in All Star
Game and yeah, like you know, y'all start game like,
let's just get through it. No, I'm gonna challenge ball
and striker. I agree with you. It It feels like
something that somebody sounded thought was a good idea in
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a boardroom, and then when you kind of start talking
through you like, yeah, guys, I don't know if that's
when we want to break it out, you know, because
All Star weekend is hey, look at all this great
stuff we got. We got these stars, we got these
young players, we got this new thing and coming soon
to a theater or you Abs. Here's what ABS is.
But then again in execution of it, it it Yeah,
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it feels a little douchey.
Speaker 9 (17:43):
So Abs in the All Star Game. Michael Porter's mixed
metaphor and Linel Messi has done nothing to change the
MLS relevance.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
I think Alino Messi doing nothing last year. Huge splash,
MIAMIFC everybody's paying attention today, Like, I have no idea.
I don't know who's good, who's playing. Is he still
playing in MLS? I have no idea. You are completely
correct on that, because soccer for my entire lifetime is
and remains the sport of the future. And for that,
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you're not.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Why are we doing this?
Speaker 2 (18:22):
I do.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Because we can.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Ah, we played things on the podcast because we can,
and and others others just frankly cannot. That's really kind
of what it comes down to. Here's how Will Clark
He's on his podcast with Eric Burns really Sunday.
Speaker 6 (18:45):
He did not come out early at all, period, not
at all. Matter of fact, he didn't even hit on
the field. But Rafael Devers, next time I'm in San Francisco,
you're asked, will be on the field at first? Pase
just like, but you know that even if I got
to go grab you by the fucking back of the
neck and drag your ass out there, you will be
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at first base.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Uh yeah, I mean it's just such a bad look
that you stand up Will Clark who's trying to work
with you, and you know, you get traded to a
new team and this is how you act now. Part
of the deal since he'd been traded was he had
been hitting a ton. He's uh, he went over three
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yesterday against the Phillies. Previous day was over for two.
But he did walk twice struck out twice as well.
So as long as he hits, I guess it's fine,
he gets away with it. But the lack of buy
in too trying to be a first baseman when Will
Clark's starting to teach you is more than a little alarming.
Why could we played for you because we can't. All Right,
that's it for the end of the Modest podcast. Check
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I'm Doug Goli