July 22, 2025 • 36 mins
Doug talks about the life of Ozzy Osbourne on the day of his passing. Doug reacts to Colin Cowherd's take about the Cowboys. Doug chooses among deserving candidates Jason Stewart deems as most annoying today. Plus, Eric Byrnes makes today's installment of "Because We Can".
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, this is the Doug gottl Show. Heres in
the Bonus with Doug Gottley, What.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Doug Godlimb Show, and the bonus Fox Sports for you.
iHeartRadio bookit hope you're doing right. We have two days
in a row. We have a passing of somebody who
there are two different influential parts of his career. Yesterday
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was Malcolm Jamal Warner. Today it's Ozzy Osbourne. And you're like, okay,
how are you gonna combine those two. I'm gonna do
a little little weave, little presidential weave here, okay. And
these are people that are super influential, right, Like I
didn't like Cosby Show that much. I never found it
(00:56):
to be that funny, but it was a breakthrough show, right,
breakthrough show, and it was the biggest night in comedy
back when we all used to sit down as a
family and watch at least one night of sitcom TV.
And part of it was my family was a Cheers family.
Cheers was on IT nine and Cosby Show was on
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IT eight and Malcolm Jamal Warner was the Sun. And yeah,
I mean like he basically made his entire life based
upon that show. I don't even remember how many years
that show went. But I'm sure he's never had to
work ever again a day in his life right now.
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The other side to it is, you know, since Bill
Cosby got locked away, our Cosby Show is still I
guess they're probably still on on TV Land, right I
don't know. I don't watch, but I do wonder how
much that hurts, how much he was going to make
or now his family will make the rest of his life.
Because that was such a popular show. It was so easy,
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was not really offensive to anybody. I didn't think it
was all that funny, but I think part of it
was I'm guessing they didn't take nearly as many chances
because it was basically an all black show at the
the primetime spot. Okay, now you follow it up with
Ozzy Osbourne, and there's the musical influence of Ozzy Osbourne,
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but there's also in Jase two, this is where you
come in, Like that was was that the first big
reality show with him and his wife? I mean, I
know Survivor was the first kind of contestant based quote
unquote reality show, but I would say that that wasn't
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Ozzy and his wife. I mean the reality show like,
I don't know. I feel like that was a breakthrough
and everyone's been trying to kind of copy it and
play catch up ever since.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
I think you're right.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
I think you're right in that last part.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
You know. I think Real World and Survivor and these
these things get credit for like the first reality shows
of the genre. But I think the first famous family
to be featured on a reality show. I mean, they're
a diamond dozen right now there. You know, there are
see less celebrities that have their families followed around, But Ozzy,
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I think was that first, like family you got the
you got, you got kind of that gothic thing going
on where it was kind of the Adams family, and
then the the the matriarch is amazing TV Sharon, and
she's become a kind of a media star since. But yeah,
I think you're right. I think that was the breakthrough,
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is that it was a famous family, uh being followed
around and they were interesting characters. I remember Ozzy from
Black Sabbath from the seventies and then he became a
metal guy in the eighties. And this also reminds me
of that I'm always gonna say this, that cliche, you know,
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you're gonna hear somebody say this today, probably on the air.
You know what they say, right, they dine in threes.
I wonder who's gonna go next, and then they're the
third one is always a stretch. So this is this
is a famous former sitcom actor, an iconic metal guy,
rock star, and then there's gonna be like a stretch.
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Somebody's gonna pass away and they're gonna be like, yep,
they always go in threes. I can't wait to see
who that is.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
They do always go in threes. I hate I hate
that thing as well, Like we're waiting on somebody else
and then somebody's gonna get umped in, Like, yeah, that's
a stretch.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Isn't it an upset?
Speaker 4 (04:46):
Though?
Speaker 3 (04:46):
That Ozzie made it to seventy six?
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Yes, it is one of those things. It's like when
you watch any of these rock stars, you're like, okay, wait,
so this guy did every drug possively that you can
think of, and then some and he made to seventy six,
and I'm like worried about what I you know what
I mean, It's like what am I? What am I
doing here? I do think it's about odds and the
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odds are that if you do that amount of drugs
you will not reach seventy six, but total upset. I
used to work with Tom Brennan, remember the famous for
Vermont Coach, and he used to say, like, my boy,
I want to be sick when I die, Like all right, okay,
but the point was like I want to live. And
(05:31):
I do think that Ozzie lived. Not sure how much
he wherewithal he had over living the last I don't know,
ten years or so. It did seem out of it
obviously felt like you suffered from dementia.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
Yeah, he had parkin he had Parkinson's Parkinson's yeah, And
it's what's strangest. I mean, he just did his final
like live show, so he did it seated and you
know the Parkinson's was obviously ravaging him.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
But that's crazy.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
I just now found out about this while you guys
were talking about it, and for you guys to like,
he just did the show, which is just surprising.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
He's just you know, you leave what you love, you leave.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
Your passion behind, then maybe you uh you just give
up and you knew you pass away.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Crazy, Yeah, I mean, I mean, it's uh, it's weird.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
Imagine if he didn't do drugs, he might have lived
to be like one hundred and five.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Who knows.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yeah, he may have, but would he have made I
guess the question is would he have made as good
as music? Have you not done the drugs? I don't
think so that's it's like a real question. I had
this conversation with my daughters. You guys know, my daughter's
a musician. We were talking about music uber ride back
from the airport yesterday and and we were talking about drugs,
and she's like, yeah, I don't I just I can't
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do them, Like I have enough going on in my
life to be worried about drugs. And I was like,
you do wonder you know, because I always go back
to all those behind the musics. They're all doing drugs,
and yet they're making amazing albums. And then they get
clean and sober, and you're like, yeah, they don't sound
as good anymore. They look way better, and they're able
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to go out and have a have a cup of
coffee afterwards. But I don't know if they have the
same cre creative gene where they can put miss mix
those sounds together.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Well.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
They always have the member of the band that's really
trying to cling to relevant saying now we're clean and
sober and we sound better than ever. Yeah, And then
you're going through your mind like I don't remember a
song from them in the last twenty years, so you're
obviously not better than ever.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
No, I just want to know what Beethoven was on,
because he made some good music.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Mozart, all those guys, But.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Now what was he? What was which one was super
young and had all kinds of other shit going on?
I think they all did.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
Are you talking about composers, Yes, let me see Beethoven,
Moltar and what's the third big one?
Speaker 3 (07:54):
One of them died when he was like thirty. I
think Mozart diving he was like thirty.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Mozar died when he's super young. Yeah, and he wrote, Yeah,
there's the movie. There's a movie a'madais. Have you ever
seen the movie Ama Daia?
Speaker 3 (08:03):
I heard of it.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
It's really good. Again, But what happens is there's a
movie about a guy who's famous, and so no one's
ever read a book about Mozart. That becomes the that
might as well become fact, even if it's not. You know,
it's based upon a true story. So that's the only
problem with movies about some people's lives is like we're like, Okay,
that's that's who that person is.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Yeah, a lot of details left out, Yes.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
And again based on a real story, based on a
true story. That doesn't mean it's a true story. M Yeah,
it's a it's a weird one. And then the Malcolm
Jamal Warner thing is the did we find out yet
if he had jumped in to save somebody? Was it
like a was he caught in a riptide? Could he
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not swim?
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Details are foggy. I don't know what all the details are,
but I do know that it sounds like, the more
you hear about it, he just got overwhelmed by some
awful current or riptide, and that he was able, he
knew how to swim, he just couldn't navigate whatever happened to.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Him, so riptide. Again. I only know this because I'm
some expert swimmer. But having grown up in southern California,
I used to hate Corona mar As the Beach because
I thought, I said, the rip tides there were just
the worst. The undertow is bad there as well. You
just gotta let it like it pulls you out, then
it pulls you to the side, and then once it stops,
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then you swim in right and guys fight against it
and then they get stuck. That's that rip current. But
Sam and I were talking about this on air yesterday.
That's a terrible way to go.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Do you remember that UFC fighter from a few years ago.
Speaker 5 (09:45):
I think his child got swept out to the ocean
and he tried to go save his child and he
ended up passing away. So the oceans, what was it?
To quote George Costanza, He's like, the oceans are unkind.
The ocean is angry, my friend. It is not like
swimming in a lake or a river or a pond.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
It's uh yeah, but.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Again, and and there's lots of bad ways to go, okay,
so I'm not it's not like well, which we're not
doing the rankings of worse. But if you're on a
family vacation and like your family's all out there and
they're like screaming to help you, help you, and they
can't help you because nobody go in the water because
they don't want to get caught the ripped current, and
then you know, it's like the whole thing with family
vacations is supposed to make family memories pre ter indelible.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Yeah sure, helplessness, pure terror.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
And then there's a video of him, I guess he'd
moved to Atlanta, like rolling down the street in Atlanta
and just talking about, hey, can you just find the joy?
And you can find the joy in anything? Like there's
a dude that's just like happy, he's good.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Yeah, I saw a little bit of that.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
So sad, terrible way to go. But the point though,
the launch point of it was both super influential in
completely different ways. The Cosby Show was an influential show,
and then Ozzy was influential as an artist, but then
also as a member of the Osbourne's you know, reality
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show cast, And I think of what I mean, the
keeping Up of the Kardashians is simply a spin off
of the Osbourne's.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Way more interesting.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
In my opinion, I would rather live with the Osbourne's
like any day than the Kardashian.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
I understand, but but we would agree that the Kardashians
everyone in that show has become super rich and super
powerful in their social media equity.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
Fair yeah yeah, yeah, okay, And don't forget it also
ran sorry sorry, side note oz Fest, which was a
huge institution music festival too, so like Ozzy's, Ozzy's legacy
is massive. I'm you know, I liked his music. I
wasn't like a super fan, but boy that that's a
big loss, especially after for rrid Ofver his last performance.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Be short to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Ve Get to Talk Says and now every day of
this time in the Modus Podcast to play for you
a previous portion of Fox Sports Radio or Fox Sports
One Show. Here's Colin Kellard talking about Jerry Jones, the
Gentle Manager.
Speaker 6 (12:30):
The downside to wealth is that it starts to make
you feel you're great at everything. The Cowboys had a
great draft in twenty twenty. That's their last great one.
The Eagles last great draft was the last four. Their
first two picks last year home run, home run, position
of need corner.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
They nailed both.
Speaker 6 (12:52):
I think the minute you start thinking you can do
two to three things exceptionally well, you get into trouble.
It's hard to just do a bunch of stuff really well,
unless you're show hey, o, Tony. The Cowboys don't draft well.
The Cowboys overpay for good players and they're non existent
last couple of years in free agency. I said this
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a couple of years ago. How the hell could they
not pay eight million dollars for Derrick Henry and the Eagles,
with a stacked, often veteran expensive roster.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Pay for Saquon Barkley. How is that possible?
Speaker 6 (13:26):
Philadelphia is paying their quarterback, a receiver, tight ends, three
offensive linemen, everybody but Jalen Carter, linebackers, safeties and.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
They still have room.
Speaker 6 (13:39):
Dallas is like, I don't know if we can afford
eight million to improve the worst running back room in
the league. And they couldn't, and Baltimore could.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Yeah, I do think that obviously the Saquon Barkley is
the outlier to the general thought that free agency is
a is a lower hit rate than the NFL draft,
and I do I agree with Colin in regards to
generally the Cowboys went from two years ago, many people
thought they had some of the best talent in the league.
(14:12):
They just couldn't put together. So my defense of Jerry
Jones or Jerry Jones, the the general manager is simple.
It's no one has ever said the Cowboys don't have
good enough players. I thought last year they did not.
But part of it is also they lost their defensive
coordinator and when they brought in Zimmer it didn't fit
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with what he was doing. The offensive line aged overnight.
Plus they had injuries than Dak Prescott got hurt, et cetera,
et cetera. But it's where Colin nails it is in
Jerry trying to do too much. Do I think that
he makes every call in the draft? I don't. I don't.
(14:56):
I think he educates himself as well or better than
any owner. I think generally they've drafted well. But I
also don't think just like you can't give him credit
for all the good drafts, you shouldn't give him all
the blame for the bad drafts because general managers and
owners they don't do everything. You depend upon your scouts,
and you have your brain trust, and you come to
a consensus and you make a decision. But the bigger
(15:19):
point is that whether it's his the decision making and
who they hire and coaching, who they hire for coordinators,
some of the player acquisitions, the ways in which deals
are done, like, at some point you go this long
without being a legit contender for a Super Bowl, And yeah,
Jerry Jones can obviously accept and should get a good
(15:41):
portion of the blame. Here's Chris Brussard talking about Chris
Paul's return to the Clippers.
Speaker 7 (15:49):
There's a rumor going around on the internet social media
nineteen eighties, early nineties, wrap icons one cool.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
G Raft saw this.
Speaker 7 (16:02):
Actually Ki and Big Daddy k might form a super group, right,
super hip hop group, that's what this is. This team
would have been phenomenal ten years ago. Great, right, Chris Paul,
James Harden Kawhi, Leonard Bradley Beal.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Now I mean.
Speaker 7 (16:22):
It's you know, I mean they're second round, ceiling, no
chance of winning the championship, and it's not the same.
Chris was obviously great, and it's i'd say it's best.
I don't know about his best years because he had
great years before that in New Worlds and stuff. But
(16:42):
I don't know what team you associate Chris with. He's
been with so many. But this is not the same
as Dame going back to Portland.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Yeah, it actually is the same as Dame coming back
to Portland. You know, like we're thinking of Damian Lillard
going back to Portland. Like, Damian Lillard is going to
be great when he went back to Portland. He won't
be as long as the tooth as Chris Paul. But
the point is that if when you try and go
back and do it again, it's never as good. It
(17:17):
just it just isn't as good, right, I mean, there's
there's nothing. Really, It's a lot like when you go
to a restaurant you're super hungry. Then you go to
that restaurant like, man, that's the best foot I've ever eating.
You go back to that restaurant where you're just eating
a regular meal, You're like, why isn't as good? It's like, well,
because I was super hungry before, you know. But again,
(17:41):
I think the Damian Lillard comparison, like, yeah, he averaged
twenty five a game, okay, but he's going to be
He's going to be thirty six next July. He just
turned thirty five. He'll be thirty six coming off an
achilles ten in tear. And yeah, he'll go from twenty
five and seven to probably in the twenty and six
(18:05):
or seven, but less and less effective at the defensive end.
And you know Chris Paul is further down. Yeah. I
mean like, this is why free agency and everybody's like, well,
why don't you do anything in free agency to the Warriors?
This is why what's out there in free agency that
makes you so much better? So here's Dan Patrick and
(18:26):
former NFLPA president J. C. Schredder on The Dan Patrick Show.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Why are you stepping down? Jc?
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (18:33):
I feel like I had nothing left to give the organization.
I felt like as a player, I sacrificed the back
end of my career, and I sacrificed time with my family,
and I did those for the players, and I would
do them again. I love working for the players. In
the last five weeks, I feel like I've had to
sacrifice my public reputation. There's been some stories out there
about me that aren't true, and I've been asked to
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sit on that and not talk about it. And that
was for the organization. That wasn't for the players, And
in the end, and I feel like I couldn't do
that anymore. I've always said the only thing I've ever
wanted to care about was being a great dad and
a great husband, And once this job wasn't fun anymore,
or hurt my family. I was out and it happened
both of those at the same time, and it was
time for me to leave.
Speaker 9 (19:19):
It.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
It just does feel like curious timing. It may be
nothing with JC Tretder, but with everybody building from the NFLPA,
it feels like super super curious timing. That's what the
Fox said, what say.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Let's find out who What's annoying Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
Hey, Doug cam Newton had to say about Jalen Hurts.
It's really causes the stir.
Speaker 9 (20:04):
Now know everybody's gonna get mad at this cam Haten
on Jalen Hurts. It's hard for me to grade Jalen
Hurts with the talent that he has around. Jalen Hurts
is a great quarterback, but if we're talking about what
they bring to the table holistically, it's hard to judge.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
What Jalen Hurts can do.
Speaker 9 (20:19):
When you're throwing to a guy like AJ Brown, Davonte Smith,
we have tight end skill set. You have a dominant defense,
the best running back in the game. Download Madden and
see how many stars is on the offensive side of
Philly like you got King, Henry Zay Flowers, Mark Andrews,
and Isaiah Likely those guys. That's cool, but when you're
comparing to compare, Lamar Jackson still shows you why he's
(20:41):
an elite player. Josh Allen has to play elite in
order for them to play. Lamar Jackson has to play
at a high level for the Baltimore Ravens even though
that they have a dominant defense.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Patrick Mahomes, he got a lot of talent.
Speaker 9 (20:52):
But boy, oh boy, you can't put no John Doe
and Patrick Mahomes and think that they still gonna win
the way they win it. I understand that Jalen Hurts
does not have to play elite for the Philadelphia Eagles
to win. He has to play good. He doesn't have
to play elite. We're not asking you to win the game.
We're just asking you not to lose the corn.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
You asked that question. Are we winning because of you,
solely because of you?
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Or is it the resources around you?
Speaker 9 (21:15):
So game changer, game manager, those are the things that
you have to ask or something, and those are the
metrics that I'm going off of.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
It's like, Bro, even when the test push, you got
five people pushing you.
Speaker 9 (21:24):
Bro, you got a solid group around you, Dog and man.
The man who Jaylor hurts is Bro. I respect him.
I take my hat off to him. But just because
he's a great guy, that don't mean I can't critique
his game.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
So this is the annoying part for me. This is
the annoying part for me because I think he makes
a lot of good points. The annoying part is that
this has been making the rounds for the better part
of twenty four hours and Ryan Clark still hasn't chimed
in saying that Cam Newton needs to root for us,
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because remember Ryan Clark a couple of weeks ago in
the midst of the r G three Angel resays, it's
not only a analyst job to analyze sports, but you
also need to be a proponent of us, support us.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Yeah. Well, the the the the interesting part about Cam
Newton is like there was parts of his his MVP
year where he was surrounded by great players and great talent,
but you could not be anymore right, right, like Ryan Clark,
only going to go after guys that have that that
(22:39):
don't have melanin in their skin and call them racist.
That's that's very funny.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
This is very sad.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Yesterday I'm on Twitter and this pops up Philip Rivers,
former Charger, great quarterback.
Speaker 10 (22:57):
I'm Philip Rivers quarterback and I'm retiring Charger. I think
gratitude really is the first thing that comes to mind.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
One of the greatest gamers all his generation.
Speaker 10 (23:09):
There were so many highlights and fun sundays.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Philip Rivers just ripped so many.
Speaker 10 (23:17):
But what I miss and what I'm most appreciative and
thankful for are those relationships, the things that were behind
the scenes, the char what you lived every day. This
the days at Murphy Canyon.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
So the most annoying part for me on this one
is I thought he was already retired, so yesterday when
he made it official, like in my mind he hasn't
played for many years. Maybe it's only been a couple
of years, but it just seems like a long time ago.
Former charge are great. We love Philip Rivers, he's great.
I just didn't know he was retired. That's what That's
(23:55):
what annoys me is I did not know that he
wasn't retired. U.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Yeah, I just I think I look you and I
live the Philip Rivers experience, experience, and there's a lot
to him, right he was he was always talking and chattering.
Some people from other teams didn't like him. It didn't
end well, right like when his when when his arms
(24:23):
started to give out, you know, and he was never
a good athlete, and there's the disastrous game against the
Raiders late in that Chargers career. But I love Philip
Rivers like it's just one of those deals to where
you're like, I mean, personally, I think he's a Hall
of Famer. I don't know if he'll actually get there.
My guess is he will. But the point is that
(24:46):
there's plenty of different quarterbacks that can come and go
to different organizations, and you know, there's an era there
and you can have a success or whatever. I just
I just felt like it was it's cool to have
Philip Rivers as your quarterback. And it was always cool,
as you know, But I think when you started working
with the show, he was already gone, and he's like
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one of these guys. He has the it that some
of these guys we talk about are missing where we
would go to Charger Camp every year and he'd come
over and you talk for fifteen minutes, and you like,
I think he's gonna invite me to his house for
dinner later. He never did, but he just left you
feeling that way. Dude loved his job. He fought like hell,
(25:32):
he had some swag to him, he made good plays.
I don't know, I love Philip Rivers. But I'm also
with you, like, wait, now he's retired. He was, which
means that last year he waited by the phone for
somebody to call him, and now he's like, Okay, now
I'm not even taking a call if it comes.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
So you and I have talked about the word woke
in recent weeks, So I mean we haven't. We haven't
on the show for a while here. So in the
wake of Shane Gillis on the SP's just crushing the
w NBA and everybody else in his path. Jason Whitlock,
you know, our friend, our mutual friend, Jason Whitlock. He
(26:16):
said that that was the moment that woke was crushed
in sports. It popped the woke culture, and he gives
credit to a number of people for popping the woke culture.
And I want you to tell me if you agree
(26:36):
with this list. This is the list that he's compiled
of people that have popped basically rid sports of wokeness himself,
Klay Travis, Pat McAfee, Riley Gaines who finished fifth in
a race, and that dude finished fourth, and Riley gains
(27:00):
has become like the face of the transgender in sports movement. Uh,
Dave Portnoy, Bobby Burak, Sage Steele, Michelle Tafoya, Harrison Butker
is a part of the get the Woke out of
sports and Antonio Brown, any of those names that you
(27:22):
have an issue with. Are you are and are you
convinced that that woke is out of sports?
Speaker 5 (27:29):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (27:32):
I am not convinced, because there are there are a
couple of things that are still being done which are
merely for show. I don't know. Necessarily, I don't think
that having a mindset of if you want to call
it progressive, but actually progressing as people. I don't think
(27:56):
of that as a bad thing. I think when it's artificial,
when it's forced, and when you know what I mean,
it's like, what are we actually doing here? Like again,
my point is we pushed and search for for different
ways to grow and evolve in every what we're doing
with the radio show, what we do is a network. Heck,
what I do in my college basketball program, it's it's
(28:18):
when it's kind of forced down your throat and forced
whatever you want to call it from for a political stance,
that's when it doesn't feel good. I did I did
you know why? Because he's a fucking comedian. He's supposed
to be funny, you know, and like I think the
(28:39):
one there probably uh Levatards most bothered by is the
Karl Anthony Towns Hey girl, right, and it's I mean funny.
I can't believe he said it, but it's what everybody
has talked about at Carl Anthony Towns is that he
does have some he does have some habits or some
(29:00):
things that he does, which you like, it's kind of
feminine kind of is what he does. And yeah, there's
you know, there's always going to be gay rumors about athletes.
Do I think that's cool? Like in if you're doing
like a normal interview, like no, but he's a comedian,
like I just he's a comedian. Yeah, yeah, that's I think.
(29:32):
Do I think it still exists in sports. Yeah, I
think that. I do think that as the pendulum swings,
it's swinging back more in the other direction, which means
it'll settle like most things in the middle. But I
do think that the pendulum has swung from being way
out to one side to being closer to the other side.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
Maybe my favorite thing and she's really she's really made
her herself relevant in the last week. So coming off
the Shane Gillis saying, you had all the reaction, and
then Sarah Spain had an issue with all the w
NBA jokes and she even went so far as to
offer like alternative jokes like she's she's telling a comedian
(30:20):
how to be funny. So my whole thing was if
Sarah Spain didn't like my joke, then it was a
hilarious joke, like she she's here's the other side.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Of here's the part of Sarah Spain that like, I
don't really understand, how like does she think we all
don't remember? Sarah was a producer in Chicago, and a
good one, much like yourself. And obviously she hadn't done
(30:52):
it as long, but she was. She was a good
local radio producer and she would come on and most
of the stuff she you talk about about being like
a raunchy single girl in Chicago, and you go from
that to being this like advocate for feminism. It's just
a it's a stretch for those of us who remember. Now. Look,
(31:16):
I mean I could point out that that that Clay,
some of that is performative as well, right where I
love Clay, but as he admits, like he voted for
Obama twice. Man, so I think some of it is profiteering.
You know, where you see an avenue there to be
successful and you dive into it. I think that's what
Sarah has done. I don't I don't think for one
(31:38):
second I would guess. I don't know. I don't think
that the feelings that you know, like the idea that
she's offended, I don't think she's actually really offended. I
think that's part of her role. I think that's who
she thinks she's become, and that's that's that's her. That
was her way into you know, in front of the camera.
(32:00):
That's your way in front of the microphone, and that's
your way to remain relevant. I truly believe that.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
I encourage our listeners if they're if they haven't been
paid attention that she had an exchange with Stacy King
that I think represents everything that came out of the
of the All Star Weekend for the w NBA. So
What's her Face came out and said that we all
read on the t shirts and Team Clark wasn't there.
(32:25):
What's her casey plum, Kelsey Pum, So the whole Kelsey
Plum thing. And I think we made this point a
few weeks ago when Sam had to explain his punchline
to us. I said, if you have to explain the punchline,
then it didn't work. It wasn't funny. So Sarah Spain
has taken it upon herself to pick these battles and
(32:46):
explain that it was a joke that she was referring
to Team Clark, not Caitlin Clark, that Team Clark was
a thing. So again, if you have to explain the punchline,
then the joke didn't land. And most people took it
as it was some kind of a wife at Camlin Clark,
including Stacy King and her and Sarah Spain and him
had this back and forth on Twitter. You got to
(33:07):
you gotta read anyways, So to sum this up, Uh,
woke culture in sports is annoying, and you say it's
still going to live on. Uh, I didn't know Philip
Rivers was retiring or didn't retire. And then Cam Newton
on Jalen Hurts and Ryan Clark has yet to come
out and he could by the time this podcast airs,
(33:29):
he could call Cam Newton a racist.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
I I say, does Sarah Spain one of them? Are
we listening to?
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Heah, let's definitely employ.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
I think Sarah span and it's not. Here's why, Okay,
it's because I think so much of this is performative.
Like there's a lot of people. You don't know Sarah,
I'm guessing right, and I haven't. I'm not going to
say we're friends now, Like I haven't been friendly with
her probably in a decade, and she like flipped. Now
(33:57):
there is a world in which this is who she is, right,
this is who she's always been, and she was playing
a role when she's playing the raunchy producer. Fine fair,
it does happen. But I think the real Sarah Spain
is actually she was funny as shit and she was
(34:17):
super cool to hang be around. This person is the
opposite of that. She is not fun at all, and
the fact that I completely agree with you. If Sarah
Spain is offended, then you nailed at Shane Gillis and
that whole I just the performative taking aside so that
helps you or sustains your.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Career is a nice.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Why are we doing this because we can?
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Eric Burns.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
Eric Burns has been in this segment a couple times
the last few weeks because Will Clark is on his
podcast Lot of Blue Language, and Eric Burns explains why
ABS should have been instituted yesterday, something that I've said
on this show for the better part of eighteen months.
Speaker 11 (35:10):
As far as the automated strike system, the robo up,
this can't come soon enough. The challenges we're entertaining, I
enjoy them. Some of them they got right, some they
got wrong. Why are we wasting a fucking time with this?
We know what every single pitch is. Could we just
call it a paull and just call it a strike
and move on and quit the petty bullshit. Quit trying
(35:33):
to make the ups feel more relevant than they have
to be. Quit trying to have the players decipher whether
or not these things are polls to strike.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
This is really fucking hard, really really hard.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
I get it.
Speaker 11 (35:44):
This is why I've been lobbing for the robo up
for years. We've already proven it's not taking jobs away.
You're just giving them assistance on balls and strikes. I
don't need the game within the game, the strategy of win,
to challenge and when not to judge.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Fuck that.
Speaker 11 (36:00):
If it's a ball as the ball off a strike
as a strike, we know right away.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
Put an IFP in the umpire's ear.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
He hears it.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Ball strike, ball strike. It's not that fucking heard.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Uh. Yeah, I've heard a lot of people say the
exact same thing, the exact same thing. I do think
they like the performative nature of it. I do think
it's part of it feels too aniseptic for it to
be for you know, I think with the ABS, I
think it works. I'm gonna disagree with him. Why can
(36:37):
we play it for you? Because we can't. That's it
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All right, this is the Doug gottl Show. Heres in
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
Doug Godlimb Show, and the bonus Fox Sports for you.
iHeartRadio bookit hope you're doing right. We have two days
in a row. We have a passing of somebody who
there are two different influential parts of his career. Yesterday
(00:35):
was Malcolm Jamal Warner. Today it's Ozzy Osbourne. And you're like, okay,
how are you gonna combine those two. I'm gonna do
a little little weave, little presidential weave here, okay. And
these are people that are super influential, right, Like I
didn't like Cosby Show that much. I never found it
(00:56):
to be that funny, but it was a breakthrough show, right,
breakthrough show, and it was the biggest night in comedy
back when we all used to sit down as a
family and watch at least one night of sitcom TV.
And part of it was my family was a Cheers family.
Cheers was on IT nine and Cosby Show was on
(01:18):
IT eight and Malcolm Jamal Warner was the Sun. And yeah,
I mean like he basically made his entire life based
upon that show. I don't even remember how many years
that show went. But I'm sure he's never had to
work ever again a day in his life right now.
(01:39):
The other side to it is, you know, since Bill
Cosby got locked away, our Cosby Show is still I
guess they're probably still on on TV Land, right I
don't know. I don't watch, but I do wonder how
much that hurts, how much he was going to make
or now his family will make the rest of his life.
Because that was such a popular show. It was so easy,
(02:01):
was not really offensive to anybody. I didn't think it
was all that funny, but I think part of it
was I'm guessing they didn't take nearly as many chances
because it was basically an all black show at the
the primetime spot. Okay, now you follow it up with
Ozzy Osbourne, and there's the musical influence of Ozzy Osbourne,
(02:22):
but there's also in Jase two, this is where you
come in, Like that was was that the first big
reality show with him and his wife? I mean, I
know Survivor was the first kind of contestant based quote
unquote reality show, but I would say that that wasn't
(02:45):
Ozzy and his wife. I mean the reality show like,
I don't know. I feel like that was a breakthrough
and everyone's been trying to kind of copy it and
play catch up ever since.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
I think you're right.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
I think you're right in that last part.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
You know. I think Real World and Survivor and these
these things get credit for like the first reality shows
of the genre. But I think the first famous family
to be featured on a reality show. I mean, they're
a diamond dozen right now there. You know, there are
see less celebrities that have their families followed around, But Ozzy,
(03:26):
I think was that first, like family you got the
you got, you got kind of that gothic thing going
on where it was kind of the Adams family, and
then the the the matriarch is amazing TV Sharon, and
she's become a kind of a media star since. But yeah,
I think you're right. I think that was the breakthrough,
(03:46):
is that it was a famous family, uh being followed
around and they were interesting characters. I remember Ozzy from
Black Sabbath from the seventies and then he became a
metal guy in the eighties. And this also reminds me
of that I'm always gonna say this, that cliche, you know,
(04:07):
you're gonna hear somebody say this today, probably on the air.
You know what they say, right, they dine in threes.
I wonder who's gonna go next, and then they're the
third one is always a stretch. So this is this
is a famous former sitcom actor, an iconic metal guy,
rock star, and then there's gonna be like a stretch.
(04:29):
Somebody's gonna pass away and they're gonna be like, yep,
they always go in threes. I can't wait to see
who that is.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
They do always go in threes. I hate I hate
that thing as well, Like we're waiting on somebody else
and then somebody's gonna get umped in, Like, yeah, that's
a stretch.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Isn't it an upset?
Speaker 4 (04:46):
Though?
Speaker 3 (04:46):
That Ozzie made it to seventy six?
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Yes, it is one of those things. It's like when
you watch any of these rock stars, you're like, okay, wait,
so this guy did every drug possively that you can
think of, and then some and he made to seventy six,
and I'm like worried about what I you know what
I mean, It's like what am I? What am I
doing here? I do think it's about odds and the
(05:11):
odds are that if you do that amount of drugs
you will not reach seventy six, but total upset. I
used to work with Tom Brennan, remember the famous for
Vermont Coach, and he used to say, like, my boy,
I want to be sick when I die, Like all right, okay,
but the point was like I want to live. And
(05:31):
I do think that Ozzie lived. Not sure how much
he wherewithal he had over living the last I don't know,
ten years or so. It did seem out of it
obviously felt like you suffered from dementia.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
Yeah, he had parkin he had Parkinson's Parkinson's yeah, And
it's what's strangest. I mean, he just did his final
like live show, so he did it seated and you
know the Parkinson's was obviously ravaging him.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
But that's crazy.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
I just now found out about this while you guys
were talking about it, and for you guys to like,
he just did the show, which is just surprising.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
He's just you know, you leave what you love, you leave.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
Your passion behind, then maybe you uh you just give
up and you knew you pass away.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Crazy, Yeah, I mean, I mean, it's uh, it's weird.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
Imagine if he didn't do drugs, he might have lived
to be like one hundred and five.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Who knows.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yeah, he may have, but would he have made I
guess the question is would he have made as good
as music? Have you not done the drugs? I don't
think so that's it's like a real question. I had
this conversation with my daughters. You guys know, my daughter's
a musician. We were talking about music uber ride back
from the airport yesterday and and we were talking about drugs,
and she's like, yeah, I don't I just I can't
(06:47):
do them, Like I have enough going on in my
life to be worried about drugs. And I was like,
you do wonder you know, because I always go back
to all those behind the musics. They're all doing drugs,
and yet they're making amazing albums. And then they get
clean and sober, and you're like, yeah, they don't sound
as good anymore. They look way better, and they're able
(07:07):
to go out and have a have a cup of
coffee afterwards. But I don't know if they have the
same cre creative gene where they can put miss mix
those sounds together.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Well.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
They always have the member of the band that's really
trying to cling to relevant saying now we're clean and
sober and we sound better than ever. Yeah, And then
you're going through your mind like I don't remember a
song from them in the last twenty years, so you're
obviously not better than ever.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
No, I just want to know what Beethoven was on,
because he made some good music.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Mozart, all those guys, But.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Now what was he? What was which one was super
young and had all kinds of other shit going on?
I think they all did.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
Are you talking about composers, Yes, let me see Beethoven,
Moltar and what's the third big one?
Speaker 3 (07:54):
One of them died when he was like thirty. I
think Mozart diving he was like thirty.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Mozar died when he's super young. Yeah, and he wrote, Yeah,
there's the movie. There's a movie a'madais. Have you ever
seen the movie Ama Daia?
Speaker 3 (08:03):
I heard of it.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
It's really good. Again, But what happens is there's a
movie about a guy who's famous, and so no one's
ever read a book about Mozart. That becomes the that
might as well become fact, even if it's not. You know,
it's based upon a true story. So that's the only
problem with movies about some people's lives is like we're like, Okay,
that's that's who that person is.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Yeah, a lot of details left out, Yes.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
And again based on a real story, based on a
true story. That doesn't mean it's a true story. M Yeah,
it's a it's a weird one. And then the Malcolm
Jamal Warner thing is the did we find out yet
if he had jumped in to save somebody? Was it
like a was he caught in a riptide? Could he
(08:49):
not swim?
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Details are foggy. I don't know what all the details are,
but I do know that it sounds like, the more
you hear about it, he just got overwhelmed by some
awful current or riptide, and that he was able, he
knew how to swim, he just couldn't navigate whatever happened to.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Him, so riptide. Again. I only know this because I'm
some expert swimmer. But having grown up in southern California,
I used to hate Corona mar As the Beach because
I thought, I said, the rip tides there were just
the worst. The undertow is bad there as well. You
just gotta let it like it pulls you out, then
it pulls you to the side, and then once it stops,
(09:30):
then you swim in right and guys fight against it
and then they get stuck. That's that rip current. But
Sam and I were talking about this on air yesterday.
That's a terrible way to go.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Do you remember that UFC fighter from a few years ago.
Speaker 5 (09:45):
I think his child got swept out to the ocean
and he tried to go save his child and he
ended up passing away. So the oceans, what was it?
To quote George Costanza, He's like, the oceans are unkind.
The ocean is angry, my friend. It is not like
swimming in a lake or a river or a pond.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
It's uh yeah, but.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Again, and and there's lots of bad ways to go, okay,
so I'm not it's not like well, which we're not
doing the rankings of worse. But if you're on a
family vacation and like your family's all out there and
they're like screaming to help you, help you, and they
can't help you because nobody go in the water because
they don't want to get caught the ripped current, and
then you know, it's like the whole thing with family
vacations is supposed to make family memories pre ter indelible.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Yeah sure, helplessness, pure terror.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
And then there's a video of him, I guess he'd
moved to Atlanta, like rolling down the street in Atlanta
and just talking about, hey, can you just find the joy?
And you can find the joy in anything? Like there's
a dude that's just like happy, he's good.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Yeah, I saw a little bit of that.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
So sad, terrible way to go. But the point though,
the launch point of it was both super influential in
completely different ways. The Cosby Show was an influential show,
and then Ozzy was influential as an artist, but then
also as a member of the Osbourne's you know, reality
(11:15):
show cast, And I think of what I mean, the
keeping Up of the Kardashians is simply a spin off
of the Osbourne's.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Way more interesting.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
In my opinion, I would rather live with the Osbourne's
like any day than the Kardashian.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
I understand, but but we would agree that the Kardashians
everyone in that show has become super rich and super
powerful in their social media equity.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
Fair yeah yeah, yeah, okay, And don't forget it also
ran sorry sorry, side note oz Fest, which was a
huge institution music festival too, so like Ozzy's, Ozzy's legacy
is massive. I'm you know, I liked his music. I
wasn't like a super fan, but boy that that's a
big loss, especially after for rrid Ofver his last performance.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Be short to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
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Speaker 2 (12:11):
Ve Get to Talk Says and now every day of
this time in the Modus Podcast to play for you
a previous portion of Fox Sports Radio or Fox Sports
One Show. Here's Colin Kellard talking about Jerry Jones, the
Gentle Manager.
Speaker 6 (12:30):
The downside to wealth is that it starts to make
you feel you're great at everything. The Cowboys had a
great draft in twenty twenty. That's their last great one.
The Eagles last great draft was the last four. Their
first two picks last year home run, home run, position
of need corner.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
They nailed both.
Speaker 6 (12:52):
I think the minute you start thinking you can do
two to three things exceptionally well, you get into trouble.
It's hard to just do a bunch of stuff really well,
unless you're show hey, o, Tony. The Cowboys don't draft well.
The Cowboys overpay for good players and they're non existent
last couple of years in free agency. I said this
(13:12):
a couple of years ago. How the hell could they
not pay eight million dollars for Derrick Henry and the Eagles,
with a stacked, often veteran expensive roster.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Pay for Saquon Barkley. How is that possible?
Speaker 6 (13:26):
Philadelphia is paying their quarterback, a receiver, tight ends, three
offensive linemen, everybody but Jalen Carter, linebackers, safeties and.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
They still have room.
Speaker 6 (13:39):
Dallas is like, I don't know if we can afford
eight million to improve the worst running back room in
the league. And they couldn't, and Baltimore could.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Yeah, I do think that obviously the Saquon Barkley is
the outlier to the general thought that free agency is
a is a lower hit rate than the NFL draft,
and I do I agree with Colin in regards to
generally the Cowboys went from two years ago, many people
thought they had some of the best talent in the league.
(14:12):
They just couldn't put together. So my defense of Jerry
Jones or Jerry Jones, the the general manager is simple.
It's no one has ever said the Cowboys don't have
good enough players. I thought last year they did not.
But part of it is also they lost their defensive
coordinator and when they brought in Zimmer it didn't fit
(14:33):
with what he was doing. The offensive line aged overnight.
Plus they had injuries than Dak Prescott got hurt, et cetera,
et cetera. But it's where Colin nails it is in
Jerry trying to do too much. Do I think that
he makes every call in the draft? I don't. I don't.
(14:56):
I think he educates himself as well or better than
any owner. I think generally they've drafted well. But I
also don't think just like you can't give him credit
for all the good drafts, you shouldn't give him all
the blame for the bad drafts because general managers and
owners they don't do everything. You depend upon your scouts,
and you have your brain trust, and you come to
a consensus and you make a decision. But the bigger
(15:19):
point is that whether it's his the decision making and
who they hire and coaching, who they hire for coordinators,
some of the player acquisitions, the ways in which deals
are done, like, at some point you go this long
without being a legit contender for a Super Bowl, And yeah,
Jerry Jones can obviously accept and should get a good
(15:41):
portion of the blame. Here's Chris Brussard talking about Chris
Paul's return to the Clippers.
Speaker 7 (15:49):
There's a rumor going around on the internet social media
nineteen eighties, early nineties, wrap icons one cool.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
G Raft saw this.
Speaker 7 (16:02):
Actually Ki and Big Daddy k might form a super group, right,
super hip hop group, that's what this is. This team
would have been phenomenal ten years ago. Great, right, Chris Paul,
James Harden Kawhi, Leonard Bradley Beal.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Now I mean.
Speaker 7 (16:22):
It's you know, I mean they're second round, ceiling, no
chance of winning the championship, and it's not the same.
Chris was obviously great, and it's i'd say it's best.
I don't know about his best years because he had
great years before that in New Worlds and stuff. But
(16:42):
I don't know what team you associate Chris with. He's
been with so many. But this is not the same
as Dame going back to Portland.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Yeah, it actually is the same as Dame coming back
to Portland. You know, like we're thinking of Damian Lillard
going back to Portland. Like, Damian Lillard is going to
be great when he went back to Portland. He won't
be as long as the tooth as Chris Paul. But
the point is that if when you try and go
back and do it again, it's never as good. It
(17:17):
just it just isn't as good, right, I mean, there's
there's nothing. Really, It's a lot like when you go
to a restaurant you're super hungry. Then you go to
that restaurant like, man, that's the best foot I've ever eating.
You go back to that restaurant where you're just eating
a regular meal, You're like, why isn't as good? It's like, well,
because I was super hungry before, you know. But again,
(17:41):
I think the Damian Lillard comparison, like, yeah, he averaged
twenty five a game, okay, but he's going to be
He's going to be thirty six next July. He just
turned thirty five. He'll be thirty six coming off an
achilles ten in tear. And yeah, he'll go from twenty
five and seven to probably in the twenty and six
(18:05):
or seven, but less and less effective at the defensive end.
And you know Chris Paul is further down. Yeah. I
mean like, this is why free agency and everybody's like, well,
why don't you do anything in free agency to the Warriors?
This is why what's out there in free agency that
makes you so much better? So here's Dan Patrick and
(18:26):
former NFLPA president J. C. Schredder on The Dan Patrick Show.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Why are you stepping down? Jc?
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (18:33):
I feel like I had nothing left to give the organization.
I felt like as a player, I sacrificed the back
end of my career, and I sacrificed time with my family,
and I did those for the players, and I would
do them again. I love working for the players. In
the last five weeks, I feel like I've had to
sacrifice my public reputation. There's been some stories out there
about me that aren't true, and I've been asked to
(18:55):
sit on that and not talk about it. And that
was for the organization. That wasn't for the players, And
in the end, and I feel like I couldn't do
that anymore. I've always said the only thing I've ever
wanted to care about was being a great dad and
a great husband, And once this job wasn't fun anymore,
or hurt my family. I was out and it happened
both of those at the same time, and it was
time for me to leave.
Speaker 9 (19:19):
It.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
It just does feel like curious timing. It may be
nothing with JC Tretder, but with everybody building from the NFLPA,
it feels like super super curious timing. That's what the
Fox said, what say.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
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Speaker 2 (19:45):
Let's find out who What's annoying Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
Hey, Doug cam Newton had to say about Jalen Hurts.
It's really causes the stir.
Speaker 9 (20:04):
Now know everybody's gonna get mad at this cam Haten
on Jalen Hurts. It's hard for me to grade Jalen
Hurts with the talent that he has around. Jalen Hurts
is a great quarterback, but if we're talking about what
they bring to the table holistically, it's hard to judge.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
What Jalen Hurts can do.
Speaker 9 (20:19):
When you're throwing to a guy like AJ Brown, Davonte Smith,
we have tight end skill set. You have a dominant defense,
the best running back in the game. Download Madden and
see how many stars is on the offensive side of
Philly like you got King, Henry Zay Flowers, Mark Andrews,
and Isaiah Likely those guys. That's cool, but when you're
comparing to compare, Lamar Jackson still shows you why he's
(20:41):
an elite player. Josh Allen has to play elite in
order for them to play. Lamar Jackson has to play
at a high level for the Baltimore Ravens even though
that they have a dominant defense.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Patrick Mahomes, he got a lot of talent.
Speaker 9 (20:52):
But boy, oh boy, you can't put no John Doe
and Patrick Mahomes and think that they still gonna win
the way they win it. I understand that Jalen Hurts
does not have to play elite for the Philadelphia Eagles
to win. He has to play good. He doesn't have
to play elite. We're not asking you to win the game.
We're just asking you not to lose the corn.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
You asked that question. Are we winning because of you,
solely because of you?
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Or is it the resources around you?
Speaker 9 (21:15):
So game changer, game manager, those are the things that
you have to ask or something, and those are the
metrics that I'm going off of.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
It's like, Bro, even when the test push, you got
five people pushing you.
Speaker 9 (21:24):
Bro, you got a solid group around you, Dog and man.
The man who Jaylor hurts is Bro. I respect him.
I take my hat off to him. But just because
he's a great guy, that don't mean I can't critique
his game.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
So this is the annoying part for me. This is
the annoying part for me because I think he makes
a lot of good points. The annoying part is that
this has been making the rounds for the better part
of twenty four hours and Ryan Clark still hasn't chimed
in saying that Cam Newton needs to root for us,
(21:58):
because remember Ryan Clark a couple of weeks ago in
the midst of the r G three Angel resays, it's
not only a analyst job to analyze sports, but you
also need to be a proponent of us, support us.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Yeah. Well, the the the the interesting part about Cam
Newton is like there was parts of his his MVP
year where he was surrounded by great players and great talent,
but you could not be anymore right, right, like Ryan Clark,
only going to go after guys that have that that
(22:39):
don't have melanin in their skin and call them racist.
That's that's very funny.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
This is very sad.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Yesterday I'm on Twitter and this pops up Philip Rivers,
former Charger, great quarterback.
Speaker 10 (22:57):
I'm Philip Rivers quarterback and I'm retiring Charger. I think
gratitude really is the first thing that comes to mind.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
One of the greatest gamers all his generation.
Speaker 10 (23:09):
There were so many highlights and fun sundays.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Philip Rivers just ripped so many.
Speaker 10 (23:17):
But what I miss and what I'm most appreciative and
thankful for are those relationships, the things that were behind
the scenes, the char what you lived every day. This
the days at Murphy Canyon.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
So the most annoying part for me on this one
is I thought he was already retired, so yesterday when
he made it official, like in my mind he hasn't
played for many years. Maybe it's only been a couple
of years, but it just seems like a long time ago.
Former charge are great. We love Philip Rivers, he's great.
I just didn't know he was retired. That's what That's
(23:55):
what annoys me is I did not know that he
wasn't retired. U.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Yeah, I just I think I look you and I
live the Philip Rivers experience, experience, and there's a lot
to him, right he was he was always talking and chattering.
Some people from other teams didn't like him. It didn't
end well, right like when his when when his arms
(24:23):
started to give out, you know, and he was never
a good athlete, and there's the disastrous game against the
Raiders late in that Chargers career. But I love Philip
Rivers like it's just one of those deals to where
you're like, I mean, personally, I think he's a Hall
of Famer. I don't know if he'll actually get there.
My guess is he will. But the point is that
(24:46):
there's plenty of different quarterbacks that can come and go
to different organizations, and you know, there's an era there
and you can have a success or whatever. I just
I just felt like it was it's cool to have
Philip Rivers as your quarterback. And it was always cool,
as you know, But I think when you started working
with the show, he was already gone, and he's like
(25:08):
one of these guys. He has the it that some
of these guys we talk about are missing where we
would go to Charger Camp every year and he'd come
over and you talk for fifteen minutes, and you like,
I think he's gonna invite me to his house for
dinner later. He never did, but he just left you
feeling that way. Dude loved his job. He fought like hell,
(25:32):
he had some swag to him, he made good plays.
I don't know, I love Philip Rivers. But I'm also
with you, like, wait, now he's retired. He was, which
means that last year he waited by the phone for
somebody to call him, and now he's like, Okay, now
I'm not even taking a call if it comes.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
So you and I have talked about the word woke
in recent weeks, So I mean we haven't. We haven't
on the show for a while here. So in the
wake of Shane Gillis on the SP's just crushing the
w NBA and everybody else in his path. Jason Whitlock,
you know, our friend, our mutual friend, Jason Whitlock. He
(26:16):
said that that was the moment that woke was crushed
in sports. It popped the woke culture, and he gives
credit to a number of people for popping the woke culture.
And I want you to tell me if you agree
(26:36):
with this list. This is the list that he's compiled
of people that have popped basically rid sports of wokeness himself,
Klay Travis, Pat McAfee, Riley Gaines who finished fifth in
a race, and that dude finished fourth, and Riley gains
(27:00):
has become like the face of the transgender in sports movement. Uh,
Dave Portnoy, Bobby Burak, Sage Steele, Michelle Tafoya, Harrison Butker
is a part of the get the Woke out of
sports and Antonio Brown, any of those names that you
(27:22):
have an issue with. Are you are and are you
convinced that that woke is out of sports?
Speaker 5 (27:29):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (27:32):
I am not convinced, because there are there are a
couple of things that are still being done which are
merely for show. I don't know. Necessarily, I don't think
that having a mindset of if you want to call
it progressive, but actually progressing as people. I don't think
(27:56):
of that as a bad thing. I think when it's artificial,
when it's forced, and when you know what I mean,
it's like, what are we actually doing here? Like again,
my point is we pushed and search for for different
ways to grow and evolve in every what we're doing
with the radio show, what we do is a network. Heck,
what I do in my college basketball program, it's it's
(28:18):
when it's kind of forced down your throat and forced
whatever you want to call it from for a political stance,
that's when it doesn't feel good. I did I did
you know why? Because he's a fucking comedian. He's supposed
to be funny, you know, and like I think the
(28:39):
one there probably uh Levatards most bothered by is the
Karl Anthony Towns Hey girl, right, and it's I mean funny.
I can't believe he said it, but it's what everybody
has talked about at Carl Anthony Towns is that he
does have some he does have some habits or some
(29:00):
things that he does, which you like, it's kind of
feminine kind of is what he does. And yeah, there's
you know, there's always going to be gay rumors about athletes.
Do I think that's cool? Like in if you're doing
like a normal interview, like no, but he's a comedian,
like I just he's a comedian. Yeah, yeah, that's I think.
(29:32):
Do I think it still exists in sports. Yeah, I
think that. I do think that as the pendulum swings,
it's swinging back more in the other direction, which means
it'll settle like most things in the middle. But I
do think that the pendulum has swung from being way
out to one side to being closer to the other side.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
Maybe my favorite thing and she's really she's really made
her herself relevant in the last week. So coming off
the Shane Gillis saying, you had all the reaction, and
then Sarah Spain had an issue with all the w
NBA jokes and she even went so far as to
offer like alternative jokes like she's she's telling a comedian
(30:20):
how to be funny. So my whole thing was if
Sarah Spain didn't like my joke, then it was a
hilarious joke, like she she's here's the other side.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Of here's the part of Sarah Spain that like, I
don't really understand, how like does she think we all
don't remember? Sarah was a producer in Chicago, and a
good one, much like yourself. And obviously she hadn't done
(30:52):
it as long, but she was. She was a good
local radio producer and she would come on and most
of the stuff she you talk about about being like
a raunchy single girl in Chicago, and you go from
that to being this like advocate for feminism. It's just
a it's a stretch for those of us who remember. Now. Look,
(31:16):
I mean I could point out that that that Clay,
some of that is performative as well, right where I
love Clay, but as he admits, like he voted for
Obama twice. Man, so I think some of it is profiteering.
You know, where you see an avenue there to be
successful and you dive into it. I think that's what
Sarah has done. I don't I don't think for one
(31:38):
second I would guess. I don't know. I don't think
that the feelings that you know, like the idea that
she's offended, I don't think she's actually really offended. I
think that's part of her role. I think that's who
she thinks she's become, and that's that's that's her. That
was her way into you know, in front of the camera.
(32:00):
That's your way in front of the microphone, and that's
your way to remain relevant. I truly believe that.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
I encourage our listeners if they're if they haven't been
paid attention that she had an exchange with Stacy King
that I think represents everything that came out of the
of the All Star Weekend for the w NBA. So
What's her Face came out and said that we all
read on the t shirts and Team Clark wasn't there.
(32:25):
What's her casey plum, Kelsey Pum, So the whole Kelsey
Plum thing. And I think we made this point a
few weeks ago when Sam had to explain his punchline
to us. I said, if you have to explain the punchline,
then it didn't work. It wasn't funny. So Sarah Spain
has taken it upon herself to pick these battles and
(32:46):
explain that it was a joke that she was referring
to Team Clark, not Caitlin Clark, that Team Clark was
a thing. So again, if you have to explain the punchline,
then the joke didn't land. And most people took it
as it was some kind of a wife at Camlin Clark,
including Stacy King and her and Sarah Spain and him
had this back and forth on Twitter. You got to
(33:07):
you gotta read anyways, So to sum this up, Uh,
woke culture in sports is annoying, and you say it's
still going to live on. Uh, I didn't know Philip
Rivers was retiring or didn't retire. And then Cam Newton
on Jalen Hurts and Ryan Clark has yet to come
out and he could by the time this podcast airs,
(33:29):
he could call Cam Newton a racist.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
I I say, does Sarah Spain one of them? Are
we listening to?
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Heah, let's definitely employ.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
I think Sarah span and it's not. Here's why, Okay,
it's because I think so much of this is performative.
Like there's a lot of people. You don't know Sarah,
I'm guessing right, and I haven't. I'm not going to
say we're friends now, Like I haven't been friendly with
her probably in a decade, and she like flipped. Now
(33:57):
there is a world in which this is who she is, right,
this is who she's always been, and she was playing
a role when she's playing the raunchy producer. Fine fair,
it does happen. But I think the real Sarah Spain
is actually she was funny as shit and she was
(34:17):
super cool to hang be around. This person is the
opposite of that. She is not fun at all, and
the fact that I completely agree with you. If Sarah
Spain is offended, then you nailed at Shane Gillis and
that whole I just the performative taking aside so that
helps you or sustains your.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Career is a nice.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Why are we doing this because we can?
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Eric Burns.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
Eric Burns has been in this segment a couple times
the last few weeks because Will Clark is on his
podcast Lot of Blue Language, and Eric Burns explains why
ABS should have been instituted yesterday, something that I've said
on this show for the better part of eighteen months.
Speaker 11 (35:10):
As far as the automated strike system, the robo up,
this can't come soon enough. The challenges we're entertaining, I
enjoy them. Some of them they got right, some they
got wrong. Why are we wasting a fucking time with this?
We know what every single pitch is. Could we just
call it a paull and just call it a strike
and move on and quit the petty bullshit. Quit trying
(35:33):
to make the ups feel more relevant than they have
to be. Quit trying to have the players decipher whether
or not these things are polls to strike.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
This is really fucking hard, really really hard.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
I get it.
Speaker 11 (35:44):
This is why I've been lobbing for the robo up
for years. We've already proven it's not taking jobs away.
You're just giving them assistance on balls and strikes. I
don't need the game within the game, the strategy of win,
to challenge and when not to judge.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Fuck that.
Speaker 11 (36:00):
If it's a ball as the ball off a strike
as a strike, we know right away.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
Put an IFP in the umpire's ear.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
He hears it.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Ball strike, ball strike. It's not that fucking heard.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Uh. Yeah, I've heard a lot of people say the
exact same thing, the exact same thing. I do think
they like the performative nature of it. I do think
it's part of it feels too aniseptic for it to
be for you know, I think with the ABS, I
think it works. I'm gonna disagree with him. Why can
(36:37):
we play it for you? Because we can't. That's it
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