July 29, 2025 • 22 mins
Doug talks Packers football as he covers camp on Tuesday with Cheesehead TV Co-Founder Aaron Nagler and WFRV-TV Sports Anchor/Reporter Kyle Malzahn. Doug chooses among deserving candidates Jason Stewart deems as most annoying today. Plus, Derrick White makes today's installment of "Because We Can".
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Here in
the Bonus with.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Doug Gottlieb showing the bonus Fox Sports Radio, I Heart
Radio app. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome in. I don't need to
be s with you here. Aaron Aglers joining us Cheesehead TV.
He's I think the most known packer comment commentator, analyst, reporter.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
I'm glad you're going with most known and not most liked.
That's good.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
I don't care care people like you like. Do you
know what you're Are you informed? Yes? Do you have
an opinion that's an important opinion? Yes? Do you pay
attention to all things Packers?
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Okay, So I don't like if somebody doesn't like it,
like you're not saying it had a spite. Okay, all right,
So here's the big question. Yes, sir, what are what
are ex what should expectations be of this team?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Super Bowl? No question about it. They are ready to
take that step now if they're going to or not,
a lot of things have to fall into place, no
question about it. But they certainly shouldn't be that team
that we've seen the last couple of years, youngest team
in the league. Quote unquote getting into the playoffs. What
a great accomplish.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Fact, girl, the problem just happy to be here, that's
all behind.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Yes, this is a team that has to take the
proverbial next step, right. They have to win the division,
They have to host a playoff game here at Lambeau.
They have to contend for a championship. That was Brian's
message at the end of the season. That has certainly
been the vibe here at the start of camp as
far as you ask. A guy like Jordan Love said
it straight out like super Bowl is the expectation that
(01:37):
is absolutely doable for them.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Let's start with Jordan Lowe. Let's start with Jordan Love.
The turnovers are the big question, right, right, yep. And
I think if this was twenty years ago it wouldn't
be because back then you could have Brett Fava just
rip it. But now everything is about efficiency, right.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Big time. Yes, in the modern game especially, you're right
about that, Okay, And like this decision making is where
you kind of scratch your head sometimes because you know
he can make every throw, you can make amazing plays.
But yeah, every once in a while, we had one
yesterday at practice. It was just a mindumbingly questionable throw.
Why are you even attempting that he threw it right
(02:14):
to a linebacker Tyron Hopper. It's just every once in
a while he seems to sprinkle in one of those
that makes you kind of scratch your head.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
What's it likely that he can cut down those?
Speaker 3 (02:23):
I think it's actually really good because Matt does a
great Matt Lafleur does a great job of tailoring his
game plan the specifics of it, trying to like lean
into his strengths, obviously, but that's what we saw back
in twenty twenty three. At the beginning of the year.
He was throwing, I mean just seemingly every week some
boneheaded interceptions, and Matt adjusted the playbook, adjusted his calls,
(02:45):
and that's when we saw that back half at twenty
twenty three where he really took off. It became incredibly
efficient and was outstanding on the stretch there. We all
know he'd dealing with injuries from the jump. Last year
certainly had an up and down season, but I do
think last year, you're way more than the first season
as a starter. His receivers really sabotaged him, like I'm
(03:05):
pretty much on bounce for the rest of the entirety
of the season.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Okay, so they go out and get they go out
and get goldenhow's he looked?
Speaker 3 (03:11):
He looks phenomenal. I mean, he had the play of
the camp today, sixty yard touchdown on a post corner
where he just lost Nate Hobbs and Evan Williams. Big play.
And he's been doing that every day, catching everything. He's
had one quote unquote drop yesterday ricocheted off his hands,
but other than that one play, he has been sensational.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
It's crazy. If you wait that long to drave to
wide receiver, you better, you better kneel. It seems like
they have Are you going to Pittsburgh?
Speaker 3 (03:40):
No, I'll be. I'll be doing our watch party on
our YouTube channel. It'd be fun. I love Pittsburgh. I
love seeing games there, like on the Rivers. It's awesome.
It's a great setting. But it's hard to give up
the watch parties. We have a very die hard built
in audience that expects me to be on YouTube. So
I'll be on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
If somebody wants fun the YouTube page, how they do it?
Speaker 3 (03:57):
She said? TV on YouTube, It's pretty simple. We're you know,
new content each and every day throughout the offseason, but
now certainly since camp has started, like each and every day,
tons of updates, anything you need as a Packers fan,
She said, TV.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
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Speaker 2 (04:19):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio
and we're coming to you live from Green Bay, Wisconsin.
We're literally a block away. You can see the practice
field with the Packers practice on daily basis. And the
guy who covers it and also covers us at GB
as Kyle Malsan, he worked for. He's w f r
(04:41):
v TV. It's our CBS affiliate in Green Bay. There's
sports reporter. He joins us now on Fox Sports Radio. Kyle,
what's the feeling like around Packers camp in regards to
expectations this season.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Yeah, the expectations are high. Look, this is the young
team in football. They've done some really good things. Last
year was a step back. They made the playoffs, but
they were without a playoff win. They were bounced around
by the Eagles and now heading into year three of
Jordan Love leading this team. There's high expectations with this team,
and not only not only the team in general, but
(05:17):
their quarterback too. Look, Jordan Love, this is not only
his third year just starting. It's your six in this
Matt Lafleur playbook. And as we know in the NFL,
teams are only going to go as far as their
quarterback takes them. So this team really rides on Jordan Love,
the health of their quarterback because last year he was
injured and his results are always going to be skewed
(05:38):
one way or another when you look back on a
second year. But I will say this, Doug, this training
camp has been the most physical headliner today, the most
physical practice that I have seen in my five years
covering this team and talking to other media members, it
is the most physical. It was the most physical one
dating back to Mike McCarthy. It is Matt Lafour told
(05:58):
us today that we're going to say in real football,
and we have certainly seen that. Now. We haven't seen
Matt Lafleur do a lot of live tackling periods in
training camp in past years, but this year whole different story.
These guys are amped up, ready to go, and they're
walking a fine line of, you know, being productive and
competitive rather than being too chippy and not being so productive.
(06:19):
So good vibes all around. This is a team that
thinks they can go to the super Bowl, but that's
yet to be determined. And these are the summer months
where you've got kind of get your identity a little
bit before the season gets underway.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Okay, let's let's talk Jordan Love right where you said
step back, but obviously with explosive plays. I mean, the
guy throws what thirty one touchdown passes, but it was
the interceptions which he started to cut down as the
year went on. Where where are Where are Packer? Where's Packer?
Media on Jordan Love considering you know, there was a
(06:55):
time before he got his own team where people thought
he was a bust. Now he's the franchise quarterback. Where
should we really land on Jordan Love? Man?
Speaker 4 (07:06):
This is this is going to be a big year
for him. Now we've seen kind of two sides of
the coin to Jordan Love. We've seen in his first
year as a starting quarterback in twenty twenty three him
go down to Dallas in the playoffs, and when his
best was required, he performed at his best Last year
it was ball all about taking care of the football
for him, and when you know the playoffs came around,
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he threw three interceptions. So this is going to be
a big year. I mean, it's been a mixed bag
for Jordan Love thus far. The talent's all there, it's
about putting it together for a full season, right, Like,
if you're not protecting the football and you're putting it
in harms way for the defense, like, that's not going
to bode well for the team. I'm high on Jordan Love.
I think there's an element to his game that we
haven't fully seen yet when it comes to his legs
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and scrambling and quarterback keepers. Now, I don't think the
Packers are and Matt Leaflour are going to let him
run the ball and put their quarterbacks in harms way.
But because you have a guy like Josh Jacobs in
the back. But this offense is set up so well
when you have Josh Jacobs in the backfield where you
can get into play action, you can go out of
this shotgun and there's just so many options for Jordan
(08:10):
Love to succeed. And this offensive line is shut up
in the way that Jordan Love shouldn't have to shouldn't
have to play like scramble a whole lot like he
should have a lot of time in the pocket. I
think he has the talent to put it all together.
He has to do it. But I'm high on Jordan Love.
I think he when it comes to our arm, talent, athleticism,
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this ceiling is so high for him. I think the
Packers and everybody in that building believes in Jordan Love
to be the franchise quarterback, not only throughout his tenure
because he's this is the first year on his four
year extension, but you know, maybe the next decade, and
they believe he could take him to the promised land.
Branger comes to the team's general manager did tell us
he's he's every everything that they need him to be.
(08:55):
He was challenged this offseason to be a leader, more
of a vocal leader in the past's locker room, and
I think we are starting to see him come out
of his show a little bit just talking to us
in the media and obviously just kind of on the
sidelines during here in training camp, going over to receivers
or defense if things get a little too physical, and
let let it be known that they're playing for, you know,
(09:15):
a bigger goal, but that's gonna be his biggest hurdle
is the consistency taking care of the football and then
unlocking things that we haven't seen due to that injury
last year where it really hindered him. I feel like.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Matthew Golden, they finally take a wide receiver in the
first round, right, So is he any good man?
Speaker 4 (09:36):
He has been the darling of training camp and we
know what it is like. This is now just day
two into having pads on, but we know the speed
that he possesses four to two nine speed is no joke.
He has that extra gear that other receivers don't have,
and we know he has good hands. But then you
then you watch him up close and you focus in
(09:58):
on him and it's the route running too. Today at
Packers training camp practice during their team sessions, Jordan Love
in shotgun unleashes to Matthew Golden and we look down
the field while the balls in the air, and he
has three or four steps on the safety and corner
and it's a sixty yard touchdown. So there are elements
to his game that we are seeing. And what's nice
(10:21):
about Matthew Goldman is he doesn't have to be the
number one guy on this team. Like usually when teams
drafted number one a wide receiver in the first round,
there's a ton of pressure surrounding them to be the
go to guy, and he doesn't have that pressure on
this team. I think the expectations are going to be
high for him this year, but the Packers' offense is
(10:42):
set up in such a great way that he doesn't
have to necessarily fulfill that role right away. But man,
you watch this guy one time on the field and
you will understand why Brian Good took him at pick
number twenty three.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
I was looking and there's a game twenty six, right, Yeah,
historic game and that you have Packers Steelers. That's great,
But then you also have Jordan Love against Aaron Rodgers.
Granted's Stoton Lambeau. And of course the Packers have seen
this before, back when Brett Farvre came into town with
his Vikings. What do you think the hype level of
(11:19):
that game is going to be?
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Like, we're just hoping that Aaron Rodgers stays healthy for
that game, right, Like, Man, the storyline's right itself, whether
it's the Super Bowl forty five rematch, and the Super
Bowl MVP for that team just happens to be the
greatest probably quarterback to ever play for the Green Bay Packers.
Now on the opposite side for the Steelers leading their team.
First time he gets a chance to play the Packers,
(11:41):
and in fact, my memory serves for me right if
Aaron Rodgers wins, he'll be in the category of beating
all NFL teams in the league. So there's a lot
of hype around that game. I think it's different from
the Brett Favre situation. Obviously, when he came back to
Lambeau with the Minnesota Vikings, he wanted to beat the Packers.
He wanted to do everything he could. I think Packers
fans are in a place right now where all of
(12:04):
the Rogers antics and semantics are all past them, and
they're just, you know, hoping that he's healthy. It's a
good game and they can appreciate his legacy. But I'm
sure Jordan Love and Brian Goodakos and Matt Lafleur, when
that game comes around and both starting quarterbacks are still
on the field, man they want to they probably want
to give it to Aaron Rodgers a little bit.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Yeah, no question, about it. Hey, Kyle, great stuff, man.
I love having you on and talking something other than
Phoenix pass one out that I don't like talking Phoenix basketball,
but pretty good. Thanks so much for doing us on
the Doug gottlib Show.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
I appreciate you, Doug. We'll see us soon. Man.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
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Speaker 2 (12:52):
Let's find out who What's annoying? Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
And now it's your annoying?
Speaker 5 (13:05):
Hey, Doug, I don't know if you saw this last night.
I know it's a visual, but I think the broadcasters
do a great job of explaining by their reaction how
bad it is. I got to get one past Ernie Clement.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Yea, what is going on at home play?
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Brian Walsh Man.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
That's literally right down the middle.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
I mean, you couldn't set it on a tee in
the heart of the plate any better than look at
this pitch right here.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
How do you miss that?
Speaker 5 (13:39):
I'm getting the that was a home point umpire Brandon
Walsh missing a pitch right down the middle, A fastball
right down the cock and it was called a ball.
And I'm getting the feeling coming off the All Star
Game when the world openly laughed at the home point
umpires for getting the calls wrong on the Challenge. I'm
(14:00):
just getting the feeling that the rank and file is
the morale is down. When they get home plate assignments.
There they enter with bad morale. They know that their
jobs are being overly scrutinized. There are Twitter pages dedicated
to giving stats of how many each umpire gets wrong
(14:22):
every game. It's like an unsustainable issue with baseball. So
to say that the abs should have been done like
you know two years ago has become an understatement and
that it's starting to impact the actual judgment of the
homeplate umpires. They want to be replaced so badly and
taken out of this vicious cycle.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
It's bad. And the more we delay it, I think,
the worse it becomes. Like we all saw they have
they have this weapon, it's not a secret, and it'll
solve some of the problems, and yet they just delayed, delay, delay,
I'm with you, it is annoying.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
What else Jimmy Haslam took questions today. He's the owner
of the Browns. He's the guy that signed to Shaun Watson. Yeah,
pushed for the signing of Deshaun Watson, who pushed for
the guaranteed money to Deshaun Watson, who almost got the
entire league into massive collusion trouble because of giving guaranteed
(15:26):
money to Deshaun Watson. He talked about the third I
think it was two maybe three domestic violence charges for
his players this offseason.
Speaker 6 (15:40):
Let me say it's extremely frustrated. Okay, obviously we're not
communicating as well as we should, and we take responsibility
for that. We have internal resources, we have external resources.
We talk about it continually, and it's something that we
need to do a better job on.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
But it is frustrating.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
So let me get this straight. The frustrating part here
is is that you don't do a better job of
what communicating that it's bad to beat women. This is
a character issue. You're drafting people with the character that
would beat a woman. You're drafting a person or you're
signing a person with a character that would force a
(16:17):
woman against her will to give you hand jobs. You're
bringing these people in this this is a commentary on
your judgment. What do you mean you're not doing a
good enough job of messaging.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Yeah, I I I don't know. I don't know. I
mean I at some point you can just say, hey,
our process was bad with Deshaun Watson. We admit it,
and so moving forward, we're trying to clean it up.
But you know, I guess because he's still under contract,
they feel not They feel like they can't admit fault,
(16:55):
admit blame. But yeah, that's what.
Speaker 5 (16:59):
You know.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
I know, you and I have talked on air about
what about ism, right, and any of us can be
guilt guilty of what about is them? Like if they
want to pass on somebody because of you know, some
some some personality, flower quirk or something out the field,
like yeah, well what about Deshaun Watson? Like I get it.
It's it's a flaming bag of poo that they can't
dig themselves out of. But I do think at some
(17:21):
point just going like, yeah, are bad would help.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
The shooter in Manhattan last night claimed to have CTE.
He was, as confirmed by the Mayor of New York City,
targeting the NFL offices, And it just reminds me. I
just found the story today that Tua tagav looa I
think that's how you pronounced it. He says that his
(17:50):
priority this year is to stay available for his team.
If he suffers another concussion, it would be concussion number five.
So I wanted to entertwine both these stories. A person
who claims to have CTE targets the NFL offices before
offering himself and three others to Tagovailoa. Says, I'm going
(18:13):
to try to avoid my fifth concussion. I think the
NFL is lucky that the public has shown almost no
interest in this. No one saw the movie Concussion. I
heard Peter Schrager one day say that he'll write like
a quick write up on a list of the best
quarterbacks in the NFC, and it'll get a ton of clicks.
(18:37):
He'll do like an in depth article on CTE and
nobody will read it. Nobody's real interested. And then when
stuff like this happens, we're all kind of left to
be like, man, what's going on here?
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Yeah? I I have watched the movie Concussion, you know.
He tell me to watch it, Aaron Rodgers, it'll affect you,
and it's sad I don't really And obviously this is
when it kind of strikes close to home. Is when
a guy whose brain is obviously not behaving or performing correctly,
(19:15):
then he goes and murders innocent people in New York City,
Whereas like you would say, hey, if you really are
suffer from ct like you can go to the NFL
offices and just say, hey, I want to be tested.
I was a football prospect and I can't think straight, right,
But that's not what people have done. It's sad, it's scary.
(19:35):
It sucks because I you know, I don't think there's
I've made this discussion argument before. You know, we have
concussion protocols with basketball that mirror that of football. And
my point is always that it's not that I'm not
sensitive to concussions, but this idea of suffering multiple concussions
and CTE. There aren't basketball players that commit these crimes.
(19:57):
Aren't basketball players that suffer dementia als at a young age.
I just don't. It's football players, boxers. I'm sure at
some point they'll be uh, you know WW guys. I
mean not ww's UFC guys, right, I mean that's the
next that's the next wave that that's got to happen.
So I'm I'm with you there. I just think on
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so many levels, this is a sad story that I mean,
even here we're covering Packers camp, Like, it's just how
do I discuss it? Knowing America loves football, this is
one of the dangers of playing football, and these are
real stories and real people and real brain damage. And
yet you know, I it's not like I don't want
(20:44):
to bite the hand that feeds you, but it does
feel kind of uncomfortable in terms of timing and how
you get it in. So what's what's annoying?
Speaker 5 (20:50):
Huh that Jimmy has one's judgment and home plate umpires
and the morale of them having a degraded job.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Yeah, I think homeplane on pires. I don't care. You
should have done a better job for years And honestly,
baseball does them a disservice not getting this abs thing
going at a quicker rate. So that whole thing is annoy.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Why are we doing this?
Speaker 4 (21:21):
I do.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
Because we can, uh. Derek White Celtics is Derek White,
Celtics All Star Olympian gold medalist. Derek White was on
a podcast. He told the story of getting traded by
the Spurs.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Getting traded is crazy.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
We're in Atlanta pop walks into the room and he's like, hey,
we traded you and don't say anything.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
I'm like to where and he was like, we win
to fuck you.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
We sent you to Boston.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
I'm like, all right, yeah, that's cool, Like I.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Think I thought.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
I was like, yeah, I'll fit well there.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
So good.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Just the idea of being honest with your players and
how it actually how the conversations actually work. And by
the way, the Spurs telling him what they were doing
before they did it. When you have other players complain
about nobody informing them. That's why people like the Spurs organization.
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Sports Radio. iHeartRadio app I'm doug Out.
All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Here in
the Bonus with.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Doug Gottlieb showing the bonus Fox Sports Radio, I Heart
Radio app. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome in. I don't need to
be s with you here. Aaron Aglers joining us Cheesehead TV.
He's I think the most known packer comment commentator, analyst, reporter.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
I'm glad you're going with most known and not most liked.
That's good.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
I don't care care people like you like. Do you
know what you're Are you informed? Yes? Do you have
an opinion that's an important opinion? Yes? Do you pay
attention to all things Packers?
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Okay, So I don't like if somebody doesn't like it,
like you're not saying it had a spite. Okay, all right,
So here's the big question. Yes, sir, what are what
are ex what should expectations be of this team?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Super Bowl? No question about it. They are ready to
take that step now if they're going to or not,
a lot of things have to fall into place, no
question about it. But they certainly shouldn't be that team
that we've seen the last couple of years, youngest team
in the league. Quote unquote getting into the playoffs. What
a great accomplish.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Fact, girl, the problem just happy to be here, that's
all behind.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Yes, this is a team that has to take the
proverbial next step, right. They have to win the division,
They have to host a playoff game here at Lambeau.
They have to contend for a championship. That was Brian's
message at the end of the season. That has certainly
been the vibe here at the start of camp as
far as you ask. A guy like Jordan Love said
it straight out like super Bowl is the expectation that
(01:37):
is absolutely doable for them.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Let's start with Jordan Lowe. Let's start with Jordan Love.
The turnovers are the big question, right, right, yep. And
I think if this was twenty years ago it wouldn't
be because back then you could have Brett Fava just
rip it. But now everything is about efficiency, right.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Big time. Yes, in the modern game especially, you're right
about that, Okay, And like this decision making is where
you kind of scratch your head sometimes because you know
he can make every throw, you can make amazing plays.
But yeah, every once in a while, we had one
yesterday at practice. It was just a mindumbingly questionable throw.
Why are you even attempting that he threw it right
(02:14):
to a linebacker Tyron Hopper. It's just every once in
a while he seems to sprinkle in one of those
that makes you kind of scratch your head.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
What's it likely that he can cut down those?
Speaker 3 (02:23):
I think it's actually really good because Matt does a
great Matt Lafleur does a great job of tailoring his
game plan the specifics of it, trying to like lean
into his strengths, obviously, but that's what we saw back
in twenty twenty three. At the beginning of the year.
He was throwing, I mean just seemingly every week some
boneheaded interceptions, and Matt adjusted the playbook, adjusted his calls,
(02:45):
and that's when we saw that back half at twenty
twenty three where he really took off. It became incredibly
efficient and was outstanding on the stretch there. We all
know he'd dealing with injuries from the jump. Last year
certainly had an up and down season, but I do
think last year, you're way more than the first season
as a starter. His receivers really sabotaged him, like I'm
(03:05):
pretty much on bounce for the rest of the entirety
of the season.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Okay, so they go out and get they go out
and get goldenhow's he looked?
Speaker 3 (03:11):
He looks phenomenal. I mean, he had the play of
the camp today, sixty yard touchdown on a post corner
where he just lost Nate Hobbs and Evan Williams. Big play.
And he's been doing that every day, catching everything. He's
had one quote unquote drop yesterday ricocheted off his hands,
but other than that one play, he has been sensational.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
It's crazy. If you wait that long to drave to
wide receiver, you better, you better kneel. It seems like
they have Are you going to Pittsburgh?
Speaker 3 (03:40):
No, I'll be. I'll be doing our watch party on
our YouTube channel. It'd be fun. I love Pittsburgh. I
love seeing games there, like on the Rivers. It's awesome.
It's a great setting. But it's hard to give up
the watch parties. We have a very die hard built
in audience that expects me to be on YouTube. So
I'll be on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
If somebody wants fun the YouTube page, how they do it?
Speaker 3 (03:57):
She said? TV on YouTube, It's pretty simple. We're you know,
new content each and every day throughout the offseason, but
now certainly since camp has started, like each and every day,
tons of updates, anything you need as a Packers fan,
She said, TV.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Be short to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekday. He's at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on
Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio
and we're coming to you live from Green Bay, Wisconsin.
We're literally a block away. You can see the practice
field with the Packers practice on daily basis. And the
guy who covers it and also covers us at GB
as Kyle Malsan, he worked for. He's w f r
(04:41):
v TV. It's our CBS affiliate in Green Bay. There's
sports reporter. He joins us now on Fox Sports Radio. Kyle,
what's the feeling like around Packers camp in regards to
expectations this season.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Yeah, the expectations are high. Look, this is the young
team in football. They've done some really good things. Last
year was a step back. They made the playoffs, but
they were without a playoff win. They were bounced around
by the Eagles and now heading into year three of
Jordan Love leading this team. There's high expectations with this team,
and not only not only the team in general, but
(05:17):
their quarterback too. Look, Jordan Love, this is not only
his third year just starting. It's your six in this
Matt Lafleur playbook. And as we know in the NFL,
teams are only going to go as far as their
quarterback takes them. So this team really rides on Jordan Love,
the health of their quarterback because last year he was
injured and his results are always going to be skewed
(05:38):
one way or another when you look back on a
second year. But I will say this, Doug, this training
camp has been the most physical headliner today, the most
physical practice that I have seen in my five years
covering this team and talking to other media members, it
is the most physical. It was the most physical one
dating back to Mike McCarthy. It is Matt Lafour told
(05:58):
us today that we're going to say in real football,
and we have certainly seen that. Now. We haven't seen
Matt Lafleur do a lot of live tackling periods in
training camp in past years, but this year whole different story.
These guys are amped up, ready to go, and they're
walking a fine line of, you know, being productive and
competitive rather than being too chippy and not being so productive.
(06:19):
So good vibes all around. This is a team that
thinks they can go to the super Bowl, but that's
yet to be determined. And these are the summer months
where you've got kind of get your identity a little
bit before the season gets underway.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Okay, let's let's talk Jordan Love right where you said
step back, but obviously with explosive plays. I mean, the
guy throws what thirty one touchdown passes, but it was
the interceptions which he started to cut down as the
year went on. Where where are Where are Packer? Where's Packer?
Media on Jordan Love considering you know, there was a
(06:55):
time before he got his own team where people thought
he was a bust. Now he's the franchise quarterback. Where
should we really land on Jordan Love? Man?
Speaker 4 (07:06):
This is this is going to be a big year
for him. Now we've seen kind of two sides of
the coin to Jordan Love. We've seen in his first
year as a starting quarterback in twenty twenty three him
go down to Dallas in the playoffs, and when his
best was required, he performed at his best Last year
it was ball all about taking care of the football
for him, and when you know the playoffs came around,
(07:26):
he threw three interceptions. So this is going to be
a big year. I mean, it's been a mixed bag
for Jordan Love thus far. The talent's all there, it's
about putting it together for a full season, right, Like,
if you're not protecting the football and you're putting it
in harms way for the defense, like, that's not going
to bode well for the team. I'm high on Jordan Love.
I think there's an element to his game that we
haven't fully seen yet when it comes to his legs
(07:49):
and scrambling and quarterback keepers. Now, I don't think the
Packers are and Matt Leaflour are going to let him
run the ball and put their quarterbacks in harms way.
But because you have a guy like Josh Jacobs in
the back. But this offense is set up so well
when you have Josh Jacobs in the backfield where you
can get into play action, you can go out of
this shotgun and there's just so many options for Jordan
(08:10):
Love to succeed. And this offensive line is shut up
in the way that Jordan Love shouldn't have to shouldn't
have to play like scramble a whole lot like he
should have a lot of time in the pocket. I
think he has the talent to put it all together.
He has to do it. But I'm high on Jordan Love.
I think he when it comes to our arm, talent, athleticism,
(08:32):
this ceiling is so high for him. I think the
Packers and everybody in that building believes in Jordan Love
to be the franchise quarterback, not only throughout his tenure
because he's this is the first year on his four
year extension, but you know, maybe the next decade, and
they believe he could take him to the promised land.
Branger comes to the team's general manager did tell us
he's he's every everything that they need him to be.
(08:55):
He was challenged this offseason to be a leader, more
of a vocal leader in the past's locker room, and
I think we are starting to see him come out
of his show a little bit just talking to us
in the media and obviously just kind of on the
sidelines during here in training camp, going over to receivers
or defense if things get a little too physical, and
let let it be known that they're playing for, you know,
(09:15):
a bigger goal, but that's gonna be his biggest hurdle
is the consistency taking care of the football and then
unlocking things that we haven't seen due to that injury
last year where it really hindered him. I feel like.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Matthew Golden, they finally take a wide receiver in the
first round, right, So is he any good man?
Speaker 4 (09:36):
He has been the darling of training camp and we
know what it is like. This is now just day
two into having pads on, but we know the speed
that he possesses four to two nine speed is no joke.
He has that extra gear that other receivers don't have,
and we know he has good hands. But then you
then you watch him up close and you focus in
(09:58):
on him and it's the route running too. Today at
Packers training camp practice during their team sessions, Jordan Love
in shotgun unleashes to Matthew Golden and we look down
the field while the balls in the air, and he
has three or four steps on the safety and corner
and it's a sixty yard touchdown. So there are elements
to his game that we are seeing. And what's nice
(10:21):
about Matthew Goldman is he doesn't have to be the
number one guy on this team. Like usually when teams
drafted number one a wide receiver in the first round,
there's a ton of pressure surrounding them to be the
go to guy, and he doesn't have that pressure on
this team. I think the expectations are going to be
high for him this year, but the Packers' offense is
(10:42):
set up in such a great way that he doesn't
have to necessarily fulfill that role right away. But man,
you watch this guy one time on the field and
you will understand why Brian Good took him at pick
number twenty three.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
I was looking and there's a game twenty six, right, Yeah,
historic game and that you have Packers Steelers. That's great,
But then you also have Jordan Love against Aaron Rodgers.
Granted's Stoton Lambeau. And of course the Packers have seen
this before, back when Brett Farvre came into town with
his Vikings. What do you think the hype level of
(11:19):
that game is going to be?
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Like, we're just hoping that Aaron Rodgers stays healthy for
that game, right, Like, Man, the storyline's right itself, whether
it's the Super Bowl forty five rematch, and the Super
Bowl MVP for that team just happens to be the
greatest probably quarterback to ever play for the Green Bay Packers.
Now on the opposite side for the Steelers leading their team.
First time he gets a chance to play the Packers,
(11:41):
and in fact, my memory serves for me right if
Aaron Rodgers wins, he'll be in the category of beating
all NFL teams in the league. So there's a lot
of hype around that game. I think it's different from
the Brett Favre situation. Obviously, when he came back to
Lambeau with the Minnesota Vikings, he wanted to beat the Packers.
He wanted to do everything he could. I think Packers
fans are in a place right now where all of
(12:04):
the Rogers antics and semantics are all past them, and
they're just, you know, hoping that he's healthy. It's a
good game and they can appreciate his legacy. But I'm
sure Jordan Love and Brian Goodakos and Matt Lafleur, when
that game comes around and both starting quarterbacks are still
on the field, man they want to they probably want
to give it to Aaron Rodgers a little bit.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Yeah, no question, about it. Hey, Kyle, great stuff, man.
I love having you on and talking something other than
Phoenix pass one out that I don't like talking Phoenix basketball,
but pretty good. Thanks so much for doing us on
the Doug gottlib Show.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
I appreciate you, Doug. We'll see us soon. Man.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Let's find out who What's annoying? Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
And now it's your annoying?
Speaker 5 (13:05):
Hey, Doug, I don't know if you saw this last night.
I know it's a visual, but I think the broadcasters
do a great job of explaining by their reaction how
bad it is. I got to get one past Ernie Clement.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Yea, what is going on at home play?
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Brian Walsh Man.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
That's literally right down the middle.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
I mean, you couldn't set it on a tee in
the heart of the plate any better than look at
this pitch right here.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
How do you miss that?
Speaker 5 (13:39):
I'm getting the that was a home point umpire Brandon
Walsh missing a pitch right down the middle, A fastball
right down the cock and it was called a ball.
And I'm getting the feeling coming off the All Star
Game when the world openly laughed at the home point
umpires for getting the calls wrong on the Challenge. I'm
(14:00):
just getting the feeling that the rank and file is
the morale is down. When they get home plate assignments.
There they enter with bad morale. They know that their
jobs are being overly scrutinized. There are Twitter pages dedicated
to giving stats of how many each umpire gets wrong
(14:22):
every game. It's like an unsustainable issue with baseball. So
to say that the abs should have been done like
you know two years ago has become an understatement and
that it's starting to impact the actual judgment of the
homeplate umpires. They want to be replaced so badly and
taken out of this vicious cycle.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
It's bad. And the more we delay it, I think,
the worse it becomes. Like we all saw they have
they have this weapon, it's not a secret, and it'll
solve some of the problems, and yet they just delayed, delay, delay,
I'm with you, it is annoying.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
What else Jimmy Haslam took questions today. He's the owner
of the Browns. He's the guy that signed to Shaun Watson. Yeah,
pushed for the signing of Deshaun Watson, who pushed for
the guaranteed money to Deshaun Watson, who almost got the
entire league into massive collusion trouble because of giving guaranteed
(15:26):
money to Deshaun Watson. He talked about the third I
think it was two maybe three domestic violence charges for
his players this offseason.
Speaker 6 (15:40):
Let me say it's extremely frustrated. Okay, obviously we're not
communicating as well as we should, and we take responsibility
for that. We have internal resources, we have external resources.
We talk about it continually, and it's something that we
need to do a better job on.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
But it is frustrating.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
So let me get this straight. The frustrating part here
is is that you don't do a better job of
what communicating that it's bad to beat women. This is
a character issue. You're drafting people with the character that
would beat a woman. You're drafting a person or you're
signing a person with a character that would force a
(16:17):
woman against her will to give you hand jobs. You're
bringing these people in this this is a commentary on
your judgment. What do you mean you're not doing a
good enough job of messaging.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Yeah, I I I don't know. I don't know. I
mean I at some point you can just say, hey,
our process was bad with Deshaun Watson. We admit it,
and so moving forward, we're trying to clean it up.
But you know, I guess because he's still under contract,
they feel not They feel like they can't admit fault,
(16:55):
admit blame. But yeah, that's what.
Speaker 5 (16:59):
You know.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
I know, you and I have talked on air about
what about ism, right, and any of us can be
guilt guilty of what about is them? Like if they
want to pass on somebody because of you know, some
some some personality, flower quirk or something out the field,
like yeah, well what about Deshaun Watson? Like I get it.
It's it's a flaming bag of poo that they can't
dig themselves out of. But I do think at some
(17:21):
point just going like, yeah, are bad would help.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
The shooter in Manhattan last night claimed to have CTE.
He was, as confirmed by the Mayor of New York City,
targeting the NFL offices, And it just reminds me. I
just found the story today that Tua tagav looa I
think that's how you pronounced it. He says that his
(17:50):
priority this year is to stay available for his team.
If he suffers another concussion, it would be concussion number five.
So I wanted to entertwine both these stories. A person
who claims to have CTE targets the NFL offices before
offering himself and three others to Tagovailoa. Says, I'm going
(18:13):
to try to avoid my fifth concussion. I think the
NFL is lucky that the public has shown almost no
interest in this. No one saw the movie Concussion. I
heard Peter Schrager one day say that he'll write like
a quick write up on a list of the best
quarterbacks in the NFC, and it'll get a ton of clicks.
(18:37):
He'll do like an in depth article on CTE and
nobody will read it. Nobody's real interested. And then when
stuff like this happens, we're all kind of left to
be like, man, what's going on here?
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Yeah? I I have watched the movie Concussion, you know.
He tell me to watch it, Aaron Rodgers, it'll affect you,
and it's sad I don't really And obviously this is
when it kind of strikes close to home. Is when
a guy whose brain is obviously not behaving or performing correctly,
(19:15):
then he goes and murders innocent people in New York City,
Whereas like you would say, hey, if you really are
suffer from ct like you can go to the NFL
offices and just say, hey, I want to be tested.
I was a football prospect and I can't think straight, right,
But that's not what people have done. It's sad, it's scary.
(19:35):
It sucks because I you know, I don't think there's
I've made this discussion argument before. You know, we have
concussion protocols with basketball that mirror that of football. And
my point is always that it's not that I'm not
sensitive to concussions, but this idea of suffering multiple concussions
and CTE. There aren't basketball players that commit these crimes.
(19:57):
Aren't basketball players that suffer dementia als at a young age.
I just don't. It's football players, boxers. I'm sure at
some point they'll be uh, you know WW guys. I
mean not ww's UFC guys, right, I mean that's the
next that's the next wave that that's got to happen.
So I'm I'm with you there. I just think on
(20:22):
so many levels, this is a sad story that I mean,
even here we're covering Packers camp, Like, it's just how
do I discuss it? Knowing America loves football, this is
one of the dangers of playing football, and these are
real stories and real people and real brain damage. And
yet you know, I it's not like I don't want
(20:44):
to bite the hand that feeds you, but it does
feel kind of uncomfortable in terms of timing and how
you get it in. So what's what's annoying?
Speaker 5 (20:50):
Huh that Jimmy has one's judgment and home plate umpires
and the morale of them having a degraded job.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Yeah, I think homeplane on pires. I don't care. You
should have done a better job for years And honestly,
baseball does them a disservice not getting this abs thing
going at a quicker rate. So that whole thing is annoy.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Why are we doing this?
Speaker 4 (21:21):
I do.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
Because we can, uh. Derek White Celtics is Derek White,
Celtics All Star Olympian gold medalist. Derek White was on
a podcast. He told the story of getting traded by
the Spurs.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Getting traded is crazy.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
We're in Atlanta pop walks into the room and he's like, hey,
we traded you and don't say anything.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
I'm like to where and he was like, we win
to fuck you.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
We sent you to Boston.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
I'm like, all right, yeah, that's cool, Like I.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Think I thought.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
I was like, yeah, I'll fit well there.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
So good.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Just the idea of being honest with your players and
how it actually how the conversations actually work. And by
the way, the Spurs telling him what they were doing
before they did it. When you have other players complain
about nobody informing them. That's why people like the Spurs organization.
Why can't play it for you? Because we can't. That's
it for the end of the Modus podcast. Check out
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