August 7, 2025 • 38 mins
Doug talks about the being dropped off at college and dropping your kids off at college. Doug reacts to Lavar Arrington's take on Travis Hunter. Doug chooses among deserving candidates Jason Stewart deems as most annoying today. Plus, George Kittle makes today's edition of "Because We Can".
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Here's in
the bonus with Doug Gottlieb.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
What up, Doug Gottlieb Show. In the bonus Fox Sports Radio,
iHeartRadio app Welcome in Hope. You're doing great. The Doug
Gottlieb Show is broadcasting live and direct every day. We
appreciate you joyus on this podcast. Or we're in an
interesting week, Jay Su, you went to cal State Fullarton, Sam,
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did you go to Did you got a four year
un of Iowa? Okay? You went to Iowa?
Speaker 3 (00:39):
That is so funny, That's hilarious. Did that that? That
wounded a little bit?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Right now? I knew I did know.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
You knew I was from Iowa. You just didn't know.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I knew you're from Iowa. I knew you're a big
Iowa fan, but I didn't want to be presumptive and
say you went.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
To Iowa graduate.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Okay, So what do you remember about your drop off
for college?
Speaker 4 (01:02):
What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Well, like, right now, I know I think like ten
people last year with my my daughters both enrolled in college,
and I'm just I have a bunch of friends that
are kind of all going through the same thing where there.
You know, guys are a little weird about it. Women
are super emotional about it. Then you get the kids
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and I'm you know, I'm with my daughter and she's
this year, for example, she's writing in a show writing.
She's an equestrian, so she rides for Okelmen State. Last
year she's at the same show. She was terrible by
her own estimation. She was like, and she didn't want
me to come to the show because she thought I
was bad luck. And I was like, it wasn't me.
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I wasn't you know. I just sat there and filmed
you and supported you and took you out to dinner,
like right. But the truth was like she was just
a mess because just so much change going on her life.
And I'm thinking back and I'm like, I remember the
first couple of weeks of college being awesome. But I
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also didn't get dropped off, Like I went to under
Dame and I flew in to Chicago and my dad
had like a former player who was pretty well to
do and lived in Chicago. He picked me up. I
stayed with him and his son at his house for
like three days. He traded on the Chicago trading floor,
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so I got to do that. That was awesome, and
then he took me to South Then he basically dropped
me off and see you later. I don't know if
I've talked to him since. I think maybe one or
two times or something. But the point is like, and
then I was just I was at college, and now
there's just it's just such a thing. Or maybe it
was always a thing for women and girls. I don't know,
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but I just I'm wondering. And Jay stew I viewed
cow stay fowards and being different, not just because especially
when you were there a little less so now more
commuter school, but also it was like literally ten minutes
from your house.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Well, uh, just to be completely honest, my parents did
the cool thing and uprooted me and moved me to
Temechila for my senior year of high school. Oh so
I had to start over socially, and I still I
don't think I've forgiven them for that sucks.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Sucks.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
So you're you're like Diana Tarazi, you'll play later on
the pod. You're still bitter about this. It's only coming
out now.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
So, my my admission into Calstaate Fullarton was me saying
I get to go home. And I did stay in
the dorms the first year, so I was dropped off.
There were tears, and but I loved it. You know,
the first few weeks were amazing.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Say tell me about your drop off.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
So okay, So you mean you dropped off a college. Okay.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
So so going all the way back to my freshman
year actually started my college career at the university here
in Vermont. So I because I felt like I wanted
to get away from Iowa. I wanted to you know,
if Burlington's a cool town. Thing about Burlington is the
downtown is basically all in this long sle So if
you're going like down to Lake Champlain, it's all the
way at the bottom. Yeah, and and just everything you
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have to walk uphill and downhill. That's all it is,
pretty much. But I when I got to Vermont, I
was very homesick. I had also had a girlfriend who
was a year younger than me, and she was still
in Iowa, and it was very expensive to be out
of state, and I had I was living in a
dorm room that was supposed to be for two people
and there were three people in there, so it was
very cramped. I had a hard time meeting friends. So
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I kind of made the decision. After like a month,
I'm like, I gotta go back to Iowa. So I
wish I had stayed another semester because Burlington is beautiful.
You can go into Montreal, or you can go to yeah,
Montreal quickly, it's right across the right, across the border.
There's a lot of stuff to do there, ski hike.
I didn't do any of that. I was like, I
got to get home. It's too expensive all that. So
I didn't spend enough time there. But I ended up
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going to the University of Iowa.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
How long? How long are you Vermont?
Speaker 4 (04:49):
I was only at Vermont for one semester and so.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, so my just again to interrupt, Yeah, my daughter Grace,
she went to Berkeley School of Music and we're like
so excited and she's such an incredib musician. Same thing.
One semester, she was like, it's just not for me.
It was honestly, it was just too far from home
for her and she felt way too alone. And different
kids are different.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
I totally empathize empathized with that. Yeah, Yeah, And so
we did the whole you know, hugging you by my
mom and my grandma actually the ones who dropped me off,
And it's hard to get to Burlington, like you have
to take several regional flights driving in as a chore,
Like it's very secluded, so that all of it, I
just felt very isolated there. Also the first couple of weeks,
I swear I didn't see the sun for it was
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overcast for like three straight weeks, So I was just
bummed out. In general, I felt just like away from
all of my networks. I wish I had stayed though,
because it is really beautiful there, But I do not
regret going back to Iowa. I really am very proud
of my degree from there, and also going into the
geography department was really cool.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
So wait, you majored in geography.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
Yep, So I was geography with a focus in environmental
studies and geography is really cool though It's it's so
funny because the department there, like the Tippy College of Business,
is so well funded, like it's got like all new furniture,
beautiful classrooms, projectors, and then the geography department is in
Jessup Hall, which looks like it's a time capsule from
the nineteen seventies.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Like all old furniture.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
We did have nice computer labs and stuff, but it
was definitely sort of an underfunded, uh you know, a
bad News Bears kind.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Of situation there. But I love the people. Geography is
the study of the world. I feel like I felt
like a.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
Well rounded person when I came out of that, and
I felt like a very knowledgeable about just how the
world works, politics, geopolitics, you know, food distribution, you know, uh,
international companies, how they work. So it was it was
a great it was a great discipline too focus on.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Uh that's that's actually kind of fascinating to me, like
the whole thing, both of you guys, it's it's it's
a fascinating experience. My thing is this and you know,
both times like my parents like bye, you know. I
went to Okland State. I I was obviously older, was
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twenty one at the time, and I stopped at Lake
Havasu waterski jet ski with my boy Nick Maruzzos, who
played at UC San Diego. And then it was supposed
to be a two day trip, and I was so excited.
I drove. I kind of pulled over somewhere like I
think it was somewhere in Texas. I pulled over. I
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think it was outside of Amarilla. I just pulled over
into a rest stop and like tilted my seat back
and slept for like a couple hours and then went.
But I remember getting into getting to college and got
those first the before school starts, like it's the it's
the you're very much alone when you're in a different place.
You know this from Vermont, right, You're like, I don't
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know any I don't know a single soul here, like
not a human being. Now. The only people I knew
were basketball coaches and players, but the rest of the
players weren't there, and the coaches were in the office,
and they all had lives, Like wasn't like they're like, hey,
you want to hang out. That wasn't at worked. But
I also remember that feeling of being alone as a
little bit lonely, but also really really thrilling, really thrilling.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
So, Doug, the funny thing about Vermont is that the
year prior, maybe two years prior, what put Vermont on
the map for me or on the radar was the
upset of Syracuse in the NCAA Tournament, And so I
wanted to go there and then be like a catamount
basketball fan. When I got there, though, it was impossible
to get hockey tickets or men's basketball tickets, So like
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the fun cool thing that I was really excited about,
I couldn't even do.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
And it was it was.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
It was thrilling to kind of be on your own,
but also just to be so far from home was tough.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
That's yeah, it was, I mean and obvious sad. Then
I worked with Tom Brennan. It's the it is the
power of And I bet I wonder if you look
back and you think, obviously you love Iowa, but had
you made it through your if you make it to
year two, you're gonna stay You're one. Yeah, your one's
the hard one. Like I look back at Notre Dame
and I just think, damn.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
It was so expensive out of state, and Vermont has
like a high acceptance rate, and they really really like
because Vermont's in state population is very small, these students
from in state are are a tiny not a tiny,
but a small, smaller piece to pie. So they rely
on all those kids, you know, the massholes. I actually
was friends with quite a bit of kids from Massachusetts,
but you're relying a lot of people from the northeast.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
I was like this novelty kid.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
They just called me Iowa, just like they call me
Iowa at you know, they call me Iowa Sam here.
But it was so expensive to go out of state
that when I went back to Iowa, I felt really
great about the economical portion of my education, Like it
was just so affordable and still is not as much,
but back back fifteen years ago, it was a great deal.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
And I'm happy that I did.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
That, so so so I want to end this opening
to the pod with this. There's no perfect way to
do it. Every kid is different. Some kids need you
to hold their hands. Some kids need to just be
dropped off at the at the curb. Some kids just
put them on a plane or whatever. But we've all
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been through it, either as a parent or as a kid,
and it generally works out. And you know, to me,
the big thing is this is a life thing. I
just had like a conversation with like two friends of
mine and they're LA people that are you know, the
big push in LA's everybody gets out of California to
go to school. In state schools are very difficult to
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get into and because they prefer out of state or
even out of the country, and people. Everybody wants to
come to California. And also most of the schools in state,
there's a couple exceptions, aren't really traditional colleges and so
and when I say traditional colleges, you know, it's like,
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do you have a football team football on campus? Do
you have the sororities, fraternities? Like, it's not all like that,
and the ones that do have that are really hard
to get into and really expensive. Anyway, So lots of
kids are going to the Midwest of the Big ten,
the Big Big twelve, the SEC a little less, the ACC,
although SMU, you know, TCU obviously pretty popular. But it's like,
I've actually done all this, and I think the key
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is hoping people understand what if you come home, none
of your friends are going to be here. That was
the big thing with my daughter was my daughter Harper,
who's at Okla Mistate and she loves it now and
she went through it was tough for first year. You know.
She's like, well, Oklahoma's so different, and I was like, well,
don't you enjoyed the parties, like dad, I partied in
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Newport Beach, Like this is lame, you know. And she's
also on a sports team so there's limit to what
they can do, and which I think is great. The
limits the thing I want her to do, but there's
just you know, it's just different. And my point to
her then it was made when she came home for
fourth July, was this is the only week all year
where all my friends are actually going to be home.
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Outside of that, everybody goes to campus, college somewhere else,
and then they go to work in the summer and
they go work for the rest of their lives. So
if you're from an area where kids have a tendency
to transfer back or leave and want to come back home,
none of your friends are here, and all the lives
have changed, and the ones that are here has not
the one that you know that are like not going
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to college, he's getting out of a good job, like those
are the ones. They'll always be here. So go live
your life, see what those four or five years are like,
and then come back if you want. Anyway, this two
shall pass.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
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Speaker 2 (12:26):
Leve. Let's get to what the Fox says, and now
the Fox say every day at this time in the
Bonus podcast, you play for your portion of a previous show,
Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports One. Here's Colin Cowhert. He
had this reaction to Archie Manning commenting that his grandson
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arch will not be entering the NFL Draft after this
college season.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
Arch Manning made six point five million last year at
Texas nil. Reportedly, cam Ward made forty eight point seven
guaranteed one pick urge. Can I can I interest you.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
In a forty two million dollar loan? Hook?
Speaker 6 (13:06):
What?
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (13:08):
This is the classic Mannings saying the right thing and
a lot of times in society. I mean, I think
the term is true, but I get tired of it.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Woke.
Speaker 6 (13:18):
Well, you're just not being honest. You know, when you're
really important sometimes JD. Vance should not talk about ever
being a president. Keep it to yourself, Lebron Mannings, Mahomes, Brady,
I've seen Mahomes step to the microphone and just say
the right thing, not necessarily the most honest, authentic thing.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
That's what happens.
Speaker 6 (13:44):
And the Manning family is American Football Royalty. So this
is exactly what you say. We Cooper Flag said it. Oh,
Duke and Denny talked to Nike, and then you're the
number one pick and here's fifty six.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Orge.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
I love Duke so much.
Speaker 6 (14:02):
I'll go visit when they play Caroline if I have time.
Arch Manning, if he's as good as I think he is,
he's got to go pro.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Yeah, I just I disagree with that. I mean, why
are we rushing something? He will have started one full
season in college football. And if you go back and
look whether it was Eli or Peyton or even Philip Rivers,
those guys, Philip Rivers, I believe, started every game of
his college career, and you can say, hey, he may
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not be a Hall of Famer, but you would say
that he was ready to play, you know, ready to play. Obviously,
then he got there. He had to sit behind Drew
Brees anyway. But the point is that us and honestly,
like Colin lecturing Archie Manning, who's played quarterback in the
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NFL and raised two NFL quarterbacks, of the decisions on
what to do with his grandson. I mean, yeah, that
that that that's that's Archie Manning arguing with Colin Cowherd
about what topics he should talk about in his radio show, right,
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So yeah, it's just it's cute, it's clever. Uh, you know,
taking the immediate payday sounds great, but the whole like that,
it's not just a manning legacy. I'm sure they've done
a lot of research and the greatest likelihood of success
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in the NFL is to be ready to play immediately,
and order to be ready to play immediately. It's not
just about who you're playing for, it's about your level
of preperedness. So yeah, I mean, does it have to
do with the ni L. I'm a little bit, a
little bit, but it's one of those it's like the
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old fable of the two bulls looking down at the
pasture and one baby bull and an older bull and
looking another cows. If you know how that works, right,
walk down there, that's what they're doing. Yeah, So again,
I actually I disagree with Colin. I agree with Arch
and I don't think it's positioning. Do I think there's
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a world in which he would go Sure, sure, if
he's so dominant and so confident. But I also think
that you're setting yourself up for failure. And remember first
round draft picks play right away. That is an absolute
you know, the Jordan Loves of the world are the
very much the exception, not the rule. And if you
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go out there and you stink, it can hurt your
confidence and it can hurt what you look like long
term in the NFL. And they want him to be ready.
That's the thought process. That's the thought process. Here's Dan Patrick.
He said this about a reporter on ESPN.
Speaker 7 (17:04):
The NFL is buying ten percent of ESPN. There's a
merger between NFL network and ESPN. And the point that
I made and want to continue to make, there is
a conflict of interest. I think we can all agree
to that. Now if you don't care about it, and
maybe you don't, but for me, I worry about that.
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But you know, this is the old school in me
that you know with ESPN and having been there eighteen years,
and I mentioned that, you know, are they going to
have journalism? Are they going to cover the NFL? And
I didn't mention any names, but there was one person
at the Mothership, Don Van Natta, who is a senior
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writer who's been on the show. I think last time
he was on five years ago to talk about a
deep dive he did on the decision with Lebron James,
and he's been on the show a couple of times.
He's a very good journalist. He took it personally when
I was said saying, I don't know if they did
a deep dive on the NFL Players Association mess and
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and once again, this is live radio, and I'm saying,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Yeah, listen, I think if you've worked at ESPN, you
know there's a lot of people that are either still
there or were there, that so badly want to be
a news gathering operation. The issue is that can that
coexist when you're literally owned by a league that you
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may be investigating. That's the that's the whole thing, right.
And then the issue is, I mean it's not just
the NFL, the SEC, the ACC. You know, you have
their networks. They're run by ESPN, just just like Fox
in many ways has you know, they've never Fox has
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never really had a news gathering part of the organization
that we're just Hey, we just put sports on TV
and we have sports talkers on TV and that's it.
But ESPN wanted to be news. And again, I think Collins,
I mean Collins, I think Dan's question, which by the way,
he is kind of clever. This is when you're really smart.
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You've been doing a long time. He's making a statement
by asking a question, but then ask acting like it
was just a question, not a statement, when somebody questions
it right, No, No, I don't know. I was just asking, Yeah,
you do. Dan knows because Dan was there for twenty
years and was the guy on Sports Center. He couldn't
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get any bigger than Dan Patrick when he was at ESPN.
So I think he knows the conflict there, and I
think Don knows the conflict there, and Don hate has
to Don Vanada has to hate the perception, whether real
or not, that journalism died when the NFL with the
NFL when they combine with the ESPN, because there's no
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one else, you know, there's no one else to hold
him accountable. Here's the fr Arrington. He said this about
Travis Hunter and his head coaches comment that he could
win the offensive and defensive Rookie the year.
Speaker 8 (20:20):
The one thing that people aren't paying attention to that
I'm paying attention to day one, Like day one I'm
paying attention to, is if he pulls this off and
he is listed on the depth chart as a second
or first string on offense, a second or first string
on defense. Here you go, when we get the contract time,
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what is that going to look like?
Speaker 4 (20:44):
I'm sorry, it's just got to be. It's gotta be
talked about.
Speaker 8 (20:49):
If he establishes that he is playing a roster position
on offense and a roster position on defense, and let's
just say he gets Rookie of the Year on both
sides of the ball. Let's just say, moving into the future,
he's looked at as an All Pro offensive player and
an All Pro defensive player.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
What do you think they're going to do?
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Yeah, I mean I do agree with LeVar there. And
LeVar knows this league. He's played in this league, he's
been up for that award. That there's no better guide
for how it actually works on the Farrington. That's what
the Fox says say.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekday. He's at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on
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Speaker 2 (21:41):
Let's find out who are What's annoying? Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 7 (21:53):
Doug.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
I want to start off by wetting the listeners behind
the curtain a little bit. Sometimes we're a little rushed
with the podus. Sometimes we don't have a lot of
time to get it in, so maybe we skip out
on content something we rushed through yesterday that deserves more attention.
At the end of yesterday's in the bonus, we played
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Leandele ball on a podcast talking about why he became
a hip hop artist. We'll play the sound again and
I'll tell you what my angle is.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
What made you want to just quit basketball and just.
Speaker 9 (22:29):
Really how it pays, the way of living, every everything else.
I mean, your brother's got big contracts, my brothers, But
I was in the G League.
Speaker 10 (22:38):
Okay, that's three K a month.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
That's a wrong man.
Speaker 8 (22:40):
That shit.
Speaker 9 (22:41):
I was getting mine and throwing it like right right
when right when you touched three k, that sh ain't
held nothing. So when I got paid for music, it
wasn't like a hard decision. I wasn't concentrating, like damn,
I got a hoop. I was like, I gotta at
this point, I gotta live now. So you got your
brothers back up, Yeah, I already want to hoop. I'll
get it in with that pick up guys.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
So what he's saying is the reason he decided to
become a hip hop artist because he made three k
a week. I'm sorry three k a month, first and foremost,
no offense to people that make three K month. That's
I think a lot of people in this country make that,
and that's nothing to laugh out or make fun of.
But you're Leangela Ball. You're the part of the Big
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Baller brand, so everything's got to be big, everything's got
to be baller. You're the basketball coach in this dynamic, Doug,
So please don't let me step on eight toes. But
le Angela Ball isn't playing basketball anymore because le Angela
Ball reached his ceiling. He sucks as a basketball player.
He wasn't going to become anything more than a G
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League player. Acting like it was a monetary thing, that's
just laughable.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
No, yeah, I mean it's it's more than just a
little laughable. It's completely laughable. It's it's silly. Truly is silly.
So I don't I thought he's equally laughable. Was I'm
making three grand and I'm burning that up at the
strip club? Right? It wasn't. It wasn't. Hey, I'm only
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making three grand a month, which by the way the
G League season is, like, I think it's like seven
months long. So the reality to it is you can
make a lot more money than that. Then most people you're, yeah,
you're making the whatever it is if it's three grand
a month, but that's at seven But I think it
actually is more money than that. But again, the bigger,
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more comical thing to me is not only is three
grand a month not enough, but three grand a month
he's burning at strip clubs, which I don't Actually, there's
a good portion of the things that's not true. On
the other hand, then I see how LaMelo Ball burns money,
and you know, he literally drives off in a different
six figure to seven figure car after every game. Maybe
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it's it is possible you're burning through three grand a
month at a strip club, even when you're only making
three grand a month. I thought that part was kind
of comical too.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
I just realized that today's You're Annoying is taken on
the same subject of compensation. So Diana Tarazzi is in
many ways the opposite of Leangela Ball. Le Angela Ball
was the ball brother that isn't very good at basketball.
Diana Tarassi is exceptional at basketball. I think she's a legend.
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I'm guessing she's gonna be in the Hall of Fame.
But there's a three part series on Amazon. I think
it's about her. And this made waves yesterday. This is
Diana Tarassi talking about the size of her paychecks while
she was playing in the WNBA.
Speaker 10 (25:47):
I'm the best player in the world and I have
to go to a communist country to get paid like
a capitalist. One time I came back and I was like, man,
my parents have just gotten older and I've missed a
big part of it. We weren't making that much more so,
generational wealth was coming from going to Russia every year.
Now we have to come back home and get paid
nothing to play in a harder league, in worse conditions
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against the best competition in the world. The fucking janitor
at the arena made more than me.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Again, no offense to janitors, no offense to what they make.
That's a that's a that's a tough living and we
all need janitors. As my dad says, the world needs janitors.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
I will I will just one thing on janners. Did
you know that in Japan no jenners take pride in
your workstation. You don't clean it up. That's one of
the big differences in Japanese automakers and American automakers. So
if you go, you'll like au America like Japanese automakers.
You go to their factories unbelievably clean, like I where
the genders they don't have.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
Them, Doug, do you remember a couple of years ago
it was either like a soccer match or it was
maybe a baseball international baseball competition. There are a lot
of Japanese fans in the stands and afterward they took
their im to clean up everyone else's trash. It is amazing.
It's a completely different culture. Yeah, completely different mindset.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Yes, anyway, don't.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Get what I don't understand about the Diana Trozi thing.
And I know you obviously have thoughts, but there's like
in this culture, this political climate, especially the last four years,
there's always the boogeyman, create a boogeyman and then talk
about how much of a victim you are to that boogeyman. Sure,
I don't understand that, but boogeyman is here.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
It's it's it. I believe it's the man trying to
keep women down. That's the perception there, the man trying
to keep women down first again. I don't know. I
know that Yukon has gone from my mom wouldn't let
me go to Yukon. I don't know we've that one.
I don't believe we've ever talked about. My mom grew
up in Bridgeport, Connecticut, went to Syracuse, and Yukon was
(27:52):
recruiting me there. It was before they went asked the championship,
they had Ron Sheffer and among other things, like she
just would not let me go there. She's just like,
that's stores as a junior college. It's anyway. They made
themselves into what's seen as a top and elite university
because there's really basketball. It's been the front door there.
(28:13):
But does not speak very well with one of their graduates,
maybe the greatest women's player of all time, that thinks
that Russia when she played there was a communist country.
I don't know how to break this to you, but
Russia is not a communist country. Communism fell apart in
the early nineties Perestroika, and yeah, that didn't happen. But
(28:34):
the other part is she's like complaining about she was
working at a startup and oh yeah, by the way
she's talking about conditions. She's so full of shit. Like
the worst part is I played in Russia. I played
and we won a Russian championship. And yes, the women's
players make more money there, mostly because you don't have
(28:55):
the protections of a union. You're not playing in the
same facilities. It's basically mafia money and they have to
overpay to get people to go there, right And oh yeah,
by the way, they don't have the NBA to subsidize
it the way they do here, So yeah, there's plus
a mind it's a long regular season. And then back
(29:15):
when she first started playing the WNBA, it was obviously
very much shorter season during the summer. But it's like
she's did she not know that she was working in
a startup. The WNBA was a startup and it was
struggling to make ends meet, and she's acting like this
is the issue. There's such a jaded view of basketball
(29:38):
because the men's players make so much money. Men's players
make so much money, and you know, God bless the
Connecticut son and the WNBA who just sold for reported
three hundred and sixty million dollars. I don't know how
that evaluation came to be. I'll be fascinated to see
if they're able to make money. But that's the first
(29:59):
team that was ever sold where the seller made a
profit on the sale of the sale of the sale
the franchise. And keep that in mind, You're you're hemorrhaging
money on a daily basis, which you're losing money in
NBA teams, uh, in basketball on a yearly basis, but
you're making it up on the back end and in
(30:20):
non basketball revenue generated stuff. But yeah, I mean, these
the problem is they're comparing themselves. They're comparing themselves to
they compare themselves to people that that in all honesty,
they're they're not in the same field. You know, this
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is not in the same field. Sorry, I don't know
how to explain it. It's it's a conversation that I
don't know if they're trying to make people mad at
the man or like the boogeyman, like you said, but
it just makes people kind of laugh at that. They
look like clowns. I like the WNBA was struggling to
(31:03):
find any sort of footing for really probably the first
seventeen eighteen years. It was bad, bad, And you know,
now they're making money and all they're doing is going
back and saying, yeah, it sucked when the league didn't
make any money, so we made less anybody else.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Yes, So there's a new book coming out. Sounds interesting.
Ken Belson, he's a sports business author and he's got
a new book coming out called every Day Is Sunday.
And he gets a quote from Roger Goodell that's making waves.
Roger Goodell in the book by ken Belson says, quote,
(31:48):
we the NFL are not competing with the NBA. Our
competitors are Apple and Google, which is a real badass statement,
and it's true. I don't think anyone. I mean, if
people are offended by that, or if the NBA takes
that as a slight, they just aren't looking at financials. Yes,
NFL is the unicorn that it's the business in this
(32:11):
country that is thriving and getting bigger every year. I
will say this though, as just as a jumping off
point to my long standing point. If you are competing
against Apple and Google, you might want to take a
look at your product. You might want to have an
independent person, maybe me and Doug, come in and tell
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you that your product is suffering and we need to
take steps to make it get it back to being
exciting and watchable because it's being kept up, or it's
being prosperous because people have fantasy interest, people gamble interest.
And once you sit down without any kind of fantasy
(32:57):
or gambling interest and you just watch a game. I
dare any to do that. Tell me if it's a
good product, and be serious.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
It's not a good product. It's just not. What's what's
the most annoying you?
Speaker 3 (33:16):
I mean, the Tarassi thing is exceptionally annoying.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
I mean, there's there's just so much in it that's
just annoying, and and it's weird. You know, most all
time greats get done with their career. And by the way,
she didn't make she ever made generational wealth. A million
dollars should be generational wealth.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
It's not. You know, it's just not. And she was
very handsomely compensated, and she made a lot of endorsement deals,
and the endorsement deal she made the United States though
she only played for three months and wasn't making huge money,
she was making a lot of money as if she
was because she had she was the star player in
the league. But there's just most star players when they
finished they look back with nostalgia and they smile, and
(34:05):
the hard times made them who they are and they're
super appreciative. And she just comes across as a as
a complete raging bitch. I'm just there's no other way
to describe it, am Am, I wrong.
Speaker 5 (34:19):
You don't think after a lifetime of just feeling undervalued
that she keeps a lot of I think a lot
of WNBA veterans are letting out their frustrations right now
because Caitlin Clark has come in and she's a millionaire,
and I think there's a lot of venting right now,
which I understand. But I also understand yours and Jason's
point that she's not valued as much and they overpaid
in Russia, so that's where you make your money.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Yeah. I again, like, whoever you're mad at, you just
there's a way, there's a way. I mean, I think
everyone in their job. It's actually very relatable that people
like man because they just have no perspective zero. She
has no perspective of the real world. It's a lot
(35:00):
like you were talking about with Langelo Ball, no perspective none.
You're like, well, I'm a professional basketball player, I should
be making what NBA players make like, okay, why are
you comparing yourself to a men's player? Like that doesn't
make any sort of sense none, Right, you know they
(35:22):
have the Women's Tackle Football League. You know where they were.
They were on no garments, but they hit, they hit
each other. Like those women don't come out and compare
themselves to NFL players, do they? Of course not they,
but by Danna Trantas Diana Tarassi's estimation, they should. She
just sounds so bitter, so bitter. I had to go
to a communist country. Wasn't a communist country? You went?
(35:45):
You played professional basketball? Do you know how many men's
players have to go overseas because they can't make it
in the NBA?
Speaker 5 (35:55):
Most of your favorite Hawkeyes correct have gone over to Asia, Europe,
you know.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
And we all look back and we're like, you know,
did he went to Greece? And we talked about like
remember he signed for five hundred but he really only
he was supposed to make two hundred and fifty and
he only came home with like seventy five grand, right,
Like we guys talk about that stuff all the time.
They would get their paychecks like lots of lots of
lots of foreign play. Most most rookies overseas make five figures,
some very low five figures, very low five figures. You know,
(36:27):
I was talking to a guy who started his career
making one thousand dollars a month overseas, and now he's
one of the top players in Europe and he makes
a million dollars. So I just I'm sorry. I don't
have fucking time for her. I think all of them
sound like complete bitter, bitter, bitter bitter women. They just
(36:47):
sound bitter, and no one has done them wrong because
because the other answer would have been, hey, what if
we just folded up shop in year five when we
were hemorrhaging money, because that's what happened with women's awkward lakes. Anyway,
she's annoying, can I.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Why are we doing this? Because we can?
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Okay, Hey, Richard Sherman has a podcast. He had his
former teammate George Kittle on and George said something naughty.
Speaker 11 (37:24):
Hey, everybody, I'm here with Richard Sherman.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Thank you.
Speaker 11 (37:27):
It's pretty thick and grizzly right now. Honestly, only triment
when my wife tells me I need a triment, So
whatever she wants you thought he.
Speaker 10 (37:32):
Was just an all pro tidy end.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
You thought he just you know, a beer.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
But he's a great husband.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Is my best.
Speaker 11 (37:40):
There are hundreds of thousands of kids who would love
nothing more than to be the starting tight end for
the San Francisco forty nine ers, and it is my
job to ruin all of their dreams. So basically, fuck
them kids. Excuse my language, everybody.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Uh, that's funny.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
I think you just did some smelling salta right before
I take.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
I think I think you did as well. Why could
play it for you? Because we can. That's it for
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
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appreciate you joyus on this podcast. Or we're in an
interesting week, Jay Su, you went to cal State Fullarton, Sam,
(00:34):
did you go to Did you got a four year
un of Iowa? Okay? You went to Iowa?
Speaker 3 (00:39):
That is so funny, That's hilarious. Did that that? That
wounded a little bit?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Right now? I knew I did know.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
You knew I was from Iowa. You just didn't know.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I knew you're from Iowa. I knew you're a big
Iowa fan, but I didn't want to be presumptive and
say you went.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
To Iowa graduate.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Okay, So what do you remember about your drop off
for college?
Speaker 4 (01:02):
What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Well, like, right now, I know I think like ten
people last year with my my daughters both enrolled in college,
and I'm just I have a bunch of friends that
are kind of all going through the same thing where there.
You know, guys are a little weird about it. Women
are super emotional about it. Then you get the kids
(01:24):
and I'm you know, I'm with my daughter and she's
this year, for example, she's writing in a show writing.
She's an equestrian, so she rides for Okelmen State. Last
year she's at the same show. She was terrible by
her own estimation. She was like, and she didn't want
me to come to the show because she thought I
was bad luck. And I was like, it wasn't me.
(01:44):
I wasn't you know. I just sat there and filmed
you and supported you and took you out to dinner,
like right. But the truth was like she was just
a mess because just so much change going on her life.
And I'm thinking back and I'm like, I remember the
first couple of weeks of college being awesome. But I
(02:05):
also didn't get dropped off, Like I went to under
Dame and I flew in to Chicago and my dad
had like a former player who was pretty well to
do and lived in Chicago. He picked me up. I
stayed with him and his son at his house for
like three days. He traded on the Chicago trading floor,
(02:26):
so I got to do that. That was awesome, and
then he took me to South Then he basically dropped
me off and see you later. I don't know if
I've talked to him since. I think maybe one or
two times or something. But the point is like, and
then I was just I was at college, and now
there's just it's just such a thing. Or maybe it
was always a thing for women and girls. I don't know,
(02:47):
but I just I'm wondering. And Jay stew I viewed
cow stay fowards and being different, not just because especially
when you were there a little less so now more
commuter school, but also it was like literally ten minutes
from your house.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Well, uh, just to be completely honest, my parents did
the cool thing and uprooted me and moved me to
Temechila for my senior year of high school. Oh so
I had to start over socially, and I still I
don't think I've forgiven them for that sucks.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Sucks.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
So you're you're like Diana Tarazi, you'll play later on
the pod. You're still bitter about this. It's only coming
out now.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
So, my my admission into Calstaate Fullarton was me saying
I get to go home. And I did stay in
the dorms the first year, so I was dropped off.
There were tears, and but I loved it. You know,
the first few weeks were amazing.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Say tell me about your drop off.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
So okay, So you mean you dropped off a college. Okay.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
So so going all the way back to my freshman
year actually started my college career at the university here
in Vermont. So I because I felt like I wanted
to get away from Iowa. I wanted to you know,
if Burlington's a cool town. Thing about Burlington is the
downtown is basically all in this long sle So if
you're going like down to Lake Champlain, it's all the
way at the bottom. Yeah, and and just everything you
(04:05):
have to walk uphill and downhill. That's all it is,
pretty much. But I when I got to Vermont, I
was very homesick. I had also had a girlfriend who
was a year younger than me, and she was still
in Iowa, and it was very expensive to be out
of state, and I had I was living in a
dorm room that was supposed to be for two people
and there were three people in there, so it was
very cramped. I had a hard time meeting friends. So
(04:25):
I kind of made the decision. After like a month,
I'm like, I gotta go back to Iowa. So I
wish I had stayed another semester because Burlington is beautiful.
You can go into Montreal, or you can go to yeah,
Montreal quickly, it's right across the right, across the border.
There's a lot of stuff to do there, ski hike.
I didn't do any of that. I was like, I
got to get home. It's too expensive all that. So
I didn't spend enough time there. But I ended up
(04:46):
going to the University of Iowa.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
How long? How long are you Vermont?
Speaker 4 (04:49):
I was only at Vermont for one semester and so.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, so my just again to interrupt, Yeah, my daughter Grace,
she went to Berkeley School of Music and we're like
so excited and she's such an incredib musician. Same thing.
One semester, she was like, it's just not for me.
It was honestly, it was just too far from home
for her and she felt way too alone. And different
kids are different.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
I totally empathize empathized with that. Yeah, Yeah, And so
we did the whole you know, hugging you by my
mom and my grandma actually the ones who dropped me off,
And it's hard to get to Burlington, like you have
to take several regional flights driving in as a chore,
Like it's very secluded, so that all of it, I
just felt very isolated there. Also the first couple of weeks,
I swear I didn't see the sun for it was
(05:31):
overcast for like three straight weeks, So I was just
bummed out. In general, I felt just like away from
all of my networks. I wish I had stayed though,
because it is really beautiful there, But I do not
regret going back to Iowa. I really am very proud
of my degree from there, and also going into the
geography department was really cool.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
So wait, you majored in geography.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
Yep, So I was geography with a focus in environmental
studies and geography is really cool though It's it's so
funny because the department there, like the Tippy College of Business,
is so well funded, like it's got like all new furniture,
beautiful classrooms, projectors, and then the geography department is in
Jessup Hall, which looks like it's a time capsule from
the nineteen seventies.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Like all old furniture.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
We did have nice computer labs and stuff, but it
was definitely sort of an underfunded, uh you know, a
bad News Bears kind.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Of situation there. But I love the people. Geography is
the study of the world. I feel like I felt
like a.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
Well rounded person when I came out of that, and
I felt like a very knowledgeable about just how the
world works, politics, geopolitics, you know, food distribution, you know, uh,
international companies, how they work. So it was it was
a great it was a great discipline too focus on.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Uh that's that's actually kind of fascinating to me, like
the whole thing, both of you guys, it's it's it's
a fascinating experience. My thing is this and you know,
both times like my parents like bye, you know. I
went to Okland State. I I was obviously older, was
(06:59):
twenty one at the time, and I stopped at Lake
Havasu waterski jet ski with my boy Nick Maruzzos, who
played at UC San Diego. And then it was supposed
to be a two day trip, and I was so excited.
I drove. I kind of pulled over somewhere like I
think it was somewhere in Texas. I pulled over. I
(07:19):
think it was outside of Amarilla. I just pulled over
into a rest stop and like tilted my seat back
and slept for like a couple hours and then went.
But I remember getting into getting to college and got
those first the before school starts, like it's the it's
the you're very much alone when you're in a different place.
You know this from Vermont, right, You're like, I don't
(07:41):
know any I don't know a single soul here, like
not a human being. Now. The only people I knew
were basketball coaches and players, but the rest of the
players weren't there, and the coaches were in the office,
and they all had lives, Like wasn't like they're like, hey,
you want to hang out. That wasn't at worked. But
I also remember that feeling of being alone as a
little bit lonely, but also really really thrilling, really thrilling.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
So, Doug, the funny thing about Vermont is that the
year prior, maybe two years prior, what put Vermont on
the map for me or on the radar was the
upset of Syracuse in the NCAA Tournament, And so I
wanted to go there and then be like a catamount
basketball fan. When I got there, though, it was impossible
to get hockey tickets or men's basketball tickets, So like
(08:22):
the fun cool thing that I was really excited about,
I couldn't even do.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
And it was it was.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
It was thrilling to kind of be on your own,
but also just to be so far from home was tough.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
That's yeah, it was, I mean and obvious sad. Then
I worked with Tom Brennan. It's the it is the
power of And I bet I wonder if you look
back and you think, obviously you love Iowa, but had
you made it through your if you make it to
year two, you're gonna stay You're one. Yeah, your one's
the hard one. Like I look back at Notre Dame
and I just think, damn.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
It was so expensive out of state, and Vermont has
like a high acceptance rate, and they really really like
because Vermont's in state population is very small, these students
from in state are are a tiny not a tiny,
but a small, smaller piece to pie. So they rely
on all those kids, you know, the massholes. I actually
was friends with quite a bit of kids from Massachusetts,
but you're relying a lot of people from the northeast.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
I was like this novelty kid.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
They just called me Iowa, just like they call me
Iowa at you know, they call me Iowa Sam here.
But it was so expensive to go out of state
that when I went back to Iowa, I felt really
great about the economical portion of my education, Like it
was just so affordable and still is not as much,
but back back fifteen years ago, it was a great deal.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
And I'm happy that I did.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
That, so so so I want to end this opening
to the pod with this. There's no perfect way to
do it. Every kid is different. Some kids need you
to hold their hands. Some kids need to just be
dropped off at the at the curb. Some kids just
put them on a plane or whatever. But we've all
(09:57):
been through it, either as a parent or as a kid,
and it generally works out. And you know, to me,
the big thing is this is a life thing. I
just had like a conversation with like two friends of
mine and they're LA people that are you know, the
big push in LA's everybody gets out of California to
go to school. In state schools are very difficult to
(10:18):
get into and because they prefer out of state or
even out of the country, and people. Everybody wants to
come to California. And also most of the schools in state,
there's a couple exceptions, aren't really traditional colleges and so
and when I say traditional colleges, you know, it's like,
(10:39):
do you have a football team football on campus? Do
you have the sororities, fraternities? Like, it's not all like that,
and the ones that do have that are really hard
to get into and really expensive. Anyway, So lots of
kids are going to the Midwest of the Big ten,
the Big Big twelve, the SEC a little less, the ACC,
although SMU, you know, TCU obviously pretty popular. But it's like,
I've actually done all this, and I think the key
(11:02):
is hoping people understand what if you come home, none
of your friends are going to be here. That was
the big thing with my daughter was my daughter Harper,
who's at Okla Mistate and she loves it now and
she went through it was tough for first year. You know.
She's like, well, Oklahoma's so different, and I was like, well,
don't you enjoyed the parties, like dad, I partied in
(11:24):
Newport Beach, Like this is lame, you know. And she's
also on a sports team so there's limit to what
they can do, and which I think is great. The
limits the thing I want her to do, but there's
just you know, it's just different. And my point to
her then it was made when she came home for
fourth July, was this is the only week all year
where all my friends are actually going to be home.
(11:45):
Outside of that, everybody goes to campus, college somewhere else,
and then they go to work in the summer and
they go work for the rest of their lives. So
if you're from an area where kids have a tendency
to transfer back or leave and want to come back home,
none of your friends are here, and all the lives
have changed, and the ones that are here has not
the one that you know that are like not going
(12:06):
to college, he's getting out of a good job, like those
are the ones. They'll always be here. So go live
your life, see what those four or five years are like,
and then come back if you want. Anyway, this two
shall pass.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
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Speaker 2 (12:26):
Leve. Let's get to what the Fox says, and now
the Fox say every day at this time in the
Bonus podcast, you play for your portion of a previous show,
Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports One. Here's Colin Cowhert. He
had this reaction to Archie Manning commenting that his grandson
(12:46):
arch will not be entering the NFL Draft after this
college season.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
Arch Manning made six point five million last year at
Texas nil. Reportedly, cam Ward made forty eight point seven
guaranteed one pick urge. Can I can I interest you.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
In a forty two million dollar loan? Hook?
Speaker 6 (13:06):
What?
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (13:08):
This is the classic Mannings saying the right thing and
a lot of times in society. I mean, I think
the term is true, but I get tired of it.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Woke.
Speaker 6 (13:18):
Well, you're just not being honest. You know, when you're
really important sometimes JD. Vance should not talk about ever
being a president. Keep it to yourself, Lebron Mannings, Mahomes, Brady,
I've seen Mahomes step to the microphone and just say
the right thing, not necessarily the most honest, authentic thing.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
That's what happens.
Speaker 6 (13:44):
And the Manning family is American Football Royalty. So this
is exactly what you say. We Cooper Flag said it. Oh,
Duke and Denny talked to Nike, and then you're the
number one pick and here's fifty six.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Orge.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
I love Duke so much.
Speaker 6 (14:02):
I'll go visit when they play Caroline if I have time.
Arch Manning, if he's as good as I think he is,
he's got to go pro.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Yeah, I just I disagree with that. I mean, why
are we rushing something? He will have started one full
season in college football. And if you go back and
look whether it was Eli or Peyton or even Philip Rivers,
those guys, Philip Rivers, I believe, started every game of
his college career, and you can say, hey, he may
(14:34):
not be a Hall of Famer, but you would say
that he was ready to play, you know, ready to play. Obviously,
then he got there. He had to sit behind Drew
Brees anyway. But the point is that us and honestly,
like Colin lecturing Archie Manning, who's played quarterback in the
(14:55):
NFL and raised two NFL quarterbacks, of the decisions on
what to do with his grandson. I mean, yeah, that
that that that's that's Archie Manning arguing with Colin Cowherd
about what topics he should talk about in his radio show, right,
(15:19):
So yeah, it's just it's cute, it's clever. Uh, you know,
taking the immediate payday sounds great, but the whole like that,
it's not just a manning legacy. I'm sure they've done
a lot of research and the greatest likelihood of success
(15:39):
in the NFL is to be ready to play immediately,
and order to be ready to play immediately. It's not
just about who you're playing for, it's about your level
of preperedness. So yeah, I mean, does it have to
do with the ni L. I'm a little bit, a
little bit, but it's one of those it's like the
(16:03):
old fable of the two bulls looking down at the
pasture and one baby bull and an older bull and
looking another cows. If you know how that works, right,
walk down there, that's what they're doing. Yeah, So again,
I actually I disagree with Colin. I agree with Arch
and I don't think it's positioning. Do I think there's
(16:24):
a world in which he would go Sure, sure, if
he's so dominant and so confident. But I also think
that you're setting yourself up for failure. And remember first
round draft picks play right away. That is an absolute
you know, the Jordan Loves of the world are the
very much the exception, not the rule. And if you
(16:47):
go out there and you stink, it can hurt your
confidence and it can hurt what you look like long
term in the NFL. And they want him to be ready.
That's the thought process. That's the thought process. Here's Dan Patrick.
He said this about a reporter on ESPN.
Speaker 7 (17:04):
The NFL is buying ten percent of ESPN. There's a
merger between NFL network and ESPN. And the point that
I made and want to continue to make, there is
a conflict of interest. I think we can all agree
to that. Now if you don't care about it, and
maybe you don't, but for me, I worry about that.
(17:25):
But you know, this is the old school in me
that you know with ESPN and having been there eighteen years,
and I mentioned that, you know, are they going to
have journalism? Are they going to cover the NFL? And
I didn't mention any names, but there was one person
at the Mothership, Don Van Natta, who is a senior
(17:45):
writer who's been on the show. I think last time
he was on five years ago to talk about a
deep dive he did on the decision with Lebron James,
and he's been on the show a couple of times.
He's a very good journalist. He took it personally when
I was said saying, I don't know if they did
a deep dive on the NFL Players Association mess and
(18:06):
and once again, this is live radio, and I'm saying,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Yeah, listen, I think if you've worked at ESPN, you
know there's a lot of people that are either still
there or were there, that so badly want to be
a news gathering operation. The issue is that can that
coexist when you're literally owned by a league that you
(18:36):
may be investigating. That's the that's the whole thing, right.
And then the issue is, I mean it's not just
the NFL, the SEC, the ACC. You know, you have
their networks. They're run by ESPN, just just like Fox
in many ways has you know, they've never Fox has
(18:58):
never really had a news gathering part of the organization
that we're just Hey, we just put sports on TV
and we have sports talkers on TV and that's it.
But ESPN wanted to be news. And again, I think Collins,
I mean Collins, I think Dan's question, which by the way,
he is kind of clever. This is when you're really smart.
(19:20):
You've been doing a long time. He's making a statement
by asking a question, but then ask acting like it
was just a question, not a statement, when somebody questions
it right, No, No, I don't know. I was just asking, Yeah,
you do. Dan knows because Dan was there for twenty
years and was the guy on Sports Center. He couldn't
(19:45):
get any bigger than Dan Patrick when he was at ESPN.
So I think he knows the conflict there, and I
think Don knows the conflict there, and Don hate has
to Don Vanada has to hate the perception, whether real
or not, that journalism died when the NFL with the
NFL when they combine with the ESPN, because there's no
(20:08):
one else, you know, there's no one else to hold
him accountable. Here's the fr Arrington. He said this about
Travis Hunter and his head coaches comment that he could
win the offensive and defensive Rookie the year.
Speaker 8 (20:20):
The one thing that people aren't paying attention to that
I'm paying attention to day one, Like day one I'm
paying attention to, is if he pulls this off and
he is listed on the depth chart as a second
or first string on offense, a second or first string
on defense. Here you go, when we get the contract time,
(20:43):
what is that going to look like?
Speaker 4 (20:44):
I'm sorry, it's just got to be. It's gotta be
talked about.
Speaker 8 (20:49):
If he establishes that he is playing a roster position
on offense and a roster position on defense, and let's
just say he gets Rookie of the Year on both
sides of the ball. Let's just say, moving into the future,
he's looked at as an All Pro offensive player and
an All Pro defensive player.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
What do you think they're going to do?
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Yeah, I mean I do agree with LeVar there. And
LeVar knows this league. He's played in this league, he's
been up for that award. That there's no better guide
for how it actually works on the Farrington. That's what
the Fox says say.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
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Speaker 2 (21:41):
Let's find out who are What's annoying? Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 7 (21:53):
Doug.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
I want to start off by wetting the listeners behind
the curtain a little bit. Sometimes we're a little rushed
with the podus. Sometimes we don't have a lot of
time to get it in, so maybe we skip out
on content something we rushed through yesterday that deserves more attention.
At the end of yesterday's in the bonus, we played
(22:14):
Leandele ball on a podcast talking about why he became
a hip hop artist. We'll play the sound again and
I'll tell you what my angle is.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
What made you want to just quit basketball and just.
Speaker 9 (22:29):
Really how it pays, the way of living, every everything else.
I mean, your brother's got big contracts, my brothers, But
I was in the G League.
Speaker 10 (22:38):
Okay, that's three K a month.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
That's a wrong man.
Speaker 8 (22:40):
That shit.
Speaker 9 (22:41):
I was getting mine and throwing it like right right
when right when you touched three k, that sh ain't
held nothing. So when I got paid for music, it
wasn't like a hard decision. I wasn't concentrating, like damn,
I got a hoop. I was like, I gotta at
this point, I gotta live now. So you got your
brothers back up, Yeah, I already want to hoop. I'll
get it in with that pick up guys.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
So what he's saying is the reason he decided to
become a hip hop artist because he made three k
a week. I'm sorry three k a month, first and foremost,
no offense to people that make three K month. That's
I think a lot of people in this country make that,
and that's nothing to laugh out or make fun of.
But you're Leangela Ball. You're the part of the Big
(23:24):
Baller brand, so everything's got to be big, everything's got
to be baller. You're the basketball coach in this dynamic, Doug,
So please don't let me step on eight toes. But
le Angela Ball isn't playing basketball anymore because le Angela
Ball reached his ceiling. He sucks as a basketball player.
He wasn't going to become anything more than a G
(23:45):
League player. Acting like it was a monetary thing, that's
just laughable.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
No, yeah, I mean it's it's more than just a
little laughable. It's completely laughable. It's it's silly. Truly is silly.
So I don't I thought he's equally laughable. Was I'm
making three grand and I'm burning that up at the
strip club? Right? It wasn't. It wasn't. Hey, I'm only
(24:14):
making three grand a month, which by the way the
G League season is, like, I think it's like seven
months long. So the reality to it is you can
make a lot more money than that. Then most people you're, yeah,
you're making the whatever it is if it's three grand
a month, but that's at seven But I think it
actually is more money than that. But again, the bigger,
(24:36):
more comical thing to me is not only is three
grand a month not enough, but three grand a month
he's burning at strip clubs, which I don't Actually, there's
a good portion of the things that's not true. On
the other hand, then I see how LaMelo Ball burns money,
and you know, he literally drives off in a different
six figure to seven figure car after every game. Maybe
(25:01):
it's it is possible you're burning through three grand a
month at a strip club, even when you're only making
three grand a month. I thought that part was kind
of comical too.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
I just realized that today's You're Annoying is taken on
the same subject of compensation. So Diana Tarazzi is in
many ways the opposite of Leangela Ball. Le Angela Ball
was the ball brother that isn't very good at basketball.
Diana Tarassi is exceptional at basketball. I think she's a legend.
(25:31):
I'm guessing she's gonna be in the Hall of Fame.
But there's a three part series on Amazon. I think
it's about her. And this made waves yesterday. This is
Diana Tarassi talking about the size of her paychecks while
she was playing in the WNBA.
Speaker 10 (25:47):
I'm the best player in the world and I have
to go to a communist country to get paid like
a capitalist. One time I came back and I was like, man,
my parents have just gotten older and I've missed a
big part of it. We weren't making that much more so,
generational wealth was coming from going to Russia every year.
Now we have to come back home and get paid
nothing to play in a harder league, in worse conditions
(26:09):
against the best competition in the world. The fucking janitor
at the arena made more than me.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Again, no offense to janitors, no offense to what they make.
That's a that's a that's a tough living and we
all need janitors. As my dad says, the world needs janitors.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
I will I will just one thing on janners. Did
you know that in Japan no jenners take pride in
your workstation. You don't clean it up. That's one of
the big differences in Japanese automakers and American automakers. So
if you go, you'll like au America like Japanese automakers.
You go to their factories unbelievably clean, like I where
the genders they don't have.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
Them, Doug, do you remember a couple of years ago
it was either like a soccer match or it was
maybe a baseball international baseball competition. There are a lot
of Japanese fans in the stands and afterward they took
their im to clean up everyone else's trash. It is amazing.
It's a completely different culture. Yeah, completely different mindset.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Yes, anyway, don't.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Get what I don't understand about the Diana Trozi thing.
And I know you obviously have thoughts, but there's like
in this culture, this political climate, especially the last four years,
there's always the boogeyman, create a boogeyman and then talk
about how much of a victim you are to that boogeyman. Sure,
I don't understand that, but boogeyman is here.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
It's it's it. I believe it's the man trying to
keep women down. That's the perception there, the man trying
to keep women down first again. I don't know. I
know that Yukon has gone from my mom wouldn't let
me go to Yukon. I don't know we've that one.
I don't believe we've ever talked about. My mom grew
up in Bridgeport, Connecticut, went to Syracuse, and Yukon was
(27:52):
recruiting me there. It was before they went asked the championship,
they had Ron Sheffer and among other things, like she
just would not let me go there. She's just like,
that's stores as a junior college. It's anyway. They made
themselves into what's seen as a top and elite university
because there's really basketball. It's been the front door there.
(28:13):
But does not speak very well with one of their graduates,
maybe the greatest women's player of all time, that thinks
that Russia when she played there was a communist country.
I don't know how to break this to you, but
Russia is not a communist country. Communism fell apart in
the early nineties Perestroika, and yeah, that didn't happen. But
(28:34):
the other part is she's like complaining about she was
working at a startup and oh yeah, by the way
she's talking about conditions. She's so full of shit. Like
the worst part is I played in Russia. I played
and we won a Russian championship. And yes, the women's
players make more money there, mostly because you don't have
(28:55):
the protections of a union. You're not playing in the
same facilities. It's basically mafia money and they have to
overpay to get people to go there, right And oh yeah,
by the way, they don't have the NBA to subsidize
it the way they do here, So yeah, there's plus
a mind it's a long regular season. And then back
(29:15):
when she first started playing the WNBA, it was obviously
very much shorter season during the summer. But it's like
she's did she not know that she was working in
a startup. The WNBA was a startup and it was
struggling to make ends meet, and she's acting like this
is the issue. There's such a jaded view of basketball
(29:38):
because the men's players make so much money. Men's players
make so much money, and you know, God bless the
Connecticut son and the WNBA who just sold for reported
three hundred and sixty million dollars. I don't know how
that evaluation came to be. I'll be fascinated to see
if they're able to make money. But that's the first
(29:59):
team that was ever sold where the seller made a
profit on the sale of the sale of the sale
the franchise. And keep that in mind, You're you're hemorrhaging
money on a daily basis, which you're losing money in
NBA teams, uh, in basketball on a yearly basis, but
you're making it up on the back end and in
(30:20):
non basketball revenue generated stuff. But yeah, I mean, these
the problem is they're comparing themselves. They're comparing themselves to
they compare themselves to people that that in all honesty,
they're they're not in the same field. You know, this
(30:42):
is not in the same field. Sorry, I don't know
how to explain it. It's it's a conversation that I
don't know if they're trying to make people mad at
the man or like the boogeyman, like you said, but
it just makes people kind of laugh at that. They
look like clowns. I like the WNBA was struggling to
(31:03):
find any sort of footing for really probably the first
seventeen eighteen years. It was bad, bad, And you know,
now they're making money and all they're doing is going
back and saying, yeah, it sucked when the league didn't
make any money, so we made less anybody else.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Yes, So there's a new book coming out. Sounds interesting.
Ken Belson, he's a sports business author and he's got
a new book coming out called every Day Is Sunday.
And he gets a quote from Roger Goodell that's making waves.
Roger Goodell in the book by ken Belson says, quote,
(31:48):
we the NFL are not competing with the NBA. Our
competitors are Apple and Google, which is a real badass statement,
and it's true. I don't think anyone. I mean, if
people are offended by that, or if the NBA takes
that as a slight, they just aren't looking at financials. Yes,
NFL is the unicorn that it's the business in this
(32:11):
country that is thriving and getting bigger every year. I
will say this though, as just as a jumping off
point to my long standing point. If you are competing
against Apple and Google, you might want to take a
look at your product. You might want to have an
independent person, maybe me and Doug, come in and tell
(32:34):
you that your product is suffering and we need to
take steps to make it get it back to being
exciting and watchable because it's being kept up, or it's
being prosperous because people have fantasy interest, people gamble interest.
And once you sit down without any kind of fantasy
(32:57):
or gambling interest and you just watch a game. I
dare any to do that. Tell me if it's a
good product, and be serious.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
It's not a good product. It's just not. What's what's
the most annoying you?
Speaker 3 (33:16):
I mean, the Tarassi thing is exceptionally annoying.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
I mean, there's there's just so much in it that's
just annoying, and and it's weird. You know, most all
time greats get done with their career. And by the way,
she didn't make she ever made generational wealth. A million
dollars should be generational wealth.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
It's not. You know, it's just not. And she was
very handsomely compensated, and she made a lot of endorsement deals,
and the endorsement deal she made the United States though
she only played for three months and wasn't making huge money,
she was making a lot of money as if she
was because she had she was the star player in
the league. But there's just most star players when they
finished they look back with nostalgia and they smile, and
(34:05):
the hard times made them who they are and they're
super appreciative. And she just comes across as a as
a complete raging bitch. I'm just there's no other way
to describe it, am Am, I wrong.
Speaker 5 (34:19):
You don't think after a lifetime of just feeling undervalued
that she keeps a lot of I think a lot
of WNBA veterans are letting out their frustrations right now
because Caitlin Clark has come in and she's a millionaire,
and I think there's a lot of venting right now,
which I understand. But I also understand yours and Jason's
point that she's not valued as much and they overpaid
in Russia, so that's where you make your money.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Yeah. I again, like, whoever you're mad at, you just
there's a way, there's a way. I mean, I think
everyone in their job. It's actually very relatable that people
like man because they just have no perspective zero. She
has no perspective of the real world. It's a lot
(35:00):
like you were talking about with Langelo Ball, no perspective none.
You're like, well, I'm a professional basketball player, I should
be making what NBA players make like, okay, why are
you comparing yourself to a men's player? Like that doesn't
make any sort of sense none, Right, you know they
(35:22):
have the Women's Tackle Football League. You know where they were.
They were on no garments, but they hit, they hit
each other. Like those women don't come out and compare
themselves to NFL players, do they? Of course not they,
but by Danna Trantas Diana Tarassi's estimation, they should. She
just sounds so bitter, so bitter. I had to go
to a communist country. Wasn't a communist country? You went?
(35:45):
You played professional basketball? Do you know how many men's
players have to go overseas because they can't make it
in the NBA?
Speaker 5 (35:55):
Most of your favorite Hawkeyes correct have gone over to Asia, Europe,
you know.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
And we all look back and we're like, you know,
did he went to Greece? And we talked about like
remember he signed for five hundred but he really only
he was supposed to make two hundred and fifty and
he only came home with like seventy five grand, right,
Like we guys talk about that stuff all the time.
They would get their paychecks like lots of lots of
lots of foreign play. Most most rookies overseas make five figures,
some very low five figures, very low five figures. You know,
(36:27):
I was talking to a guy who started his career
making one thousand dollars a month overseas, and now he's
one of the top players in Europe and he makes
a million dollars. So I just I'm sorry. I don't
have fucking time for her. I think all of them
sound like complete bitter, bitter, bitter bitter women. They just
(36:47):
sound bitter, and no one has done them wrong because
because the other answer would have been, hey, what if
we just folded up shop in year five when we
were hemorrhaging money, because that's what happened with women's awkward lakes. Anyway,
she's annoying, can I.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Why are we doing this? Because we can?
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Okay, Hey, Richard Sherman has a podcast. He had his
former teammate George Kittle on and George said something naughty.
Speaker 11 (37:24):
Hey, everybody, I'm here with Richard Sherman.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Thank you.
Speaker 11 (37:27):
It's pretty thick and grizzly right now. Honestly, only triment
when my wife tells me I need a triment, So
whatever she wants you thought he.
Speaker 10 (37:32):
Was just an all pro tidy end.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
You thought he just you know, a beer.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
But he's a great husband.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Is my best.
Speaker 11 (37:40):
There are hundreds of thousands of kids who would love
nothing more than to be the starting tight end for
the San Francisco forty nine ers, and it is my
job to ruin all of their dreams. So basically, fuck
them kids. Excuse my language, everybody.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Uh, that's funny.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
I think you just did some smelling salta right before
I take.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
I think I think you did as well. Why could
play it for you? Because we can. That's it for
the in the Modus podcast. Check out the radio show
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