August 13, 2025 • 22 mins
Doug riffs about the running back market as James Cook and the Bills come to an agreement on a contract extension. Doug reacts to Dan Beyer's take about Shedeur Sanders. Doug chooses among deserving candidates Jason Stewart deems as most annoying today. Plus, Tom Brady makes today's installment of "Because We Can".
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, this is the Doug Gottlie Show. Heres in
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
What Doug gotlib Shall in the Bonus Fox Sports Radio.
iHeart Relac, Welcome in. I want to make you ahead
of something, because what will happen is you'll get pulled
into a conversation okay, and you'll have people who tell
you like that, like things like, well, running backs are
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back and they're they're back to getting the right kind
of deals. And don't get me wrong, the running back
market has been helped recently by some of these deals.
But James Cook, who was a hold in, got a
new contract with the Buffalo Bills, and he was in
on forty seven and a half percent of the snaps
last year.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
He's a huge.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Component to one of the best teams in football. But
if you look at the deal, and the details haven't
come out yet, but they're easy enough to read. It's
a four year, forty eight million dollar deal. Oh, running
back getting four years? Yeah, well, it's thirty million dollars guaranteed.
So what's that likely mean? Likely means that it's a
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two and a half year guarantee, much like all of
these guys have signed they don't want to get in
bed with a running back for too long. They just don't,
you know, because as soon as they start to age,
you know, or they get hit or they get hurt,
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then all of a sudden, now their value decreases greatly.
So all we want to do is, I mean, this
is a kid who's what he's about to turn twenty
six years old, twenty six, and he's played three years
in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Okay, so he was coming up on his fourth year.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
He had his fifth year extension, and I'm sure all
they did was move some money around so it gets
the year a bit early. Then he gets his fifth
year and then he probably has a partially guaranteed year,
or maybe it's one year after that. But they got
a guy in his prime, and my guess is that
the money, the guaranteed money runs out when he gets
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to twenty eight to twenty nine, which has always been
the time to get out of running backs. So it
sounds and feels, you know, after two one thousand yard
seasons in a row, like a huge, great deal, and
it is slightly better than running backs for getting, but
it hasn't changed the market greatly.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
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Speaker 2 (02:44):
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Speaker 4 (02:56):
What I'm talking about of just of of the control.
So the NFL is just control freaks and they have
an individual wanting to do his own thing. I think
teams were put off by that. I don't think he
was on certain draft boards, so what limits the pool?
And you're going to when I say that this is
why he was drafted in the fifth round. That's what
I'm talking about. Now, there's some clarification about the interview
(03:17):
that he did with Tony Grossi, who's covered Cleveland sports
for decades, and Tony admitted on ESPN Cleveland Today saying,
you know what I appreciated about Shador is he didn't
call me out on the podium of the press conference
where he goes. I've had other quarterbacks do that, and
Schador didn't do that. And Grossi also said I went
(03:38):
up to Shador, which is something that I wasn't sure
on how the interaction was. What Grossy said he didn't
appreciate or didn't love was he didn't know he was
being recorded and that he was being filmed, and that
their conversation was being recorded. But it's not meant to
be a major in Diamond. That's I'm actually surprised on
how it took off because there's nothing, there's zero about
(03:59):
race about it, and people saying, I wonder what his
thoughts were about Johnny Manziel. Johnny Manziel would even admit,
and I think we all admit, admit that Johnny Football
took down Johnny Manziel. The name and the star power
of being Johnny Football was his own demise. And that's
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and and by the way, what Johnny Manziel was doing
is not even compared to what Chadors is doing. Manzell
was doing things much worse. He was showing up hungover,
still drunk, flying out to Vegas, doing that that stuff.
Shador has done none of that except to get a
couple of speeding tickets. Yeah, like that's that's what it's
been so far. So he hasn't done any of that stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Yeah, that's fair. Look, there's no nothing criminal here. I
do think that Dan is under selling how bad the
interviews were, Like when you totally blow off interviews. I
don't think it was the case of the NFL not
wanting him to do his own thing. It's like, if
you have to, it's not even about being humble pie,
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it's just about being engaged and showing you want the job.
They make no mistake about it. They the Sanders camp
blew this thing. Hey, the Sanders camp.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Blew this thing.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Because most guys, you bring them in and they blow
you away. I cannot believe how goo to do this
kid is I gotta have them. And what they were
trying to do was manipulate what team he would go to.
And he clearly irritated teams that he wasn't going to
go to, and then he didn't get wasn't drafted by
the team he wanted to go to. So we're making
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this about things that I don't think it's about. And
I don't think it has anything to do with with
with off the field stuff. Obviously, you don't want him
off field, but quarterbacks and now these quarterbacks have off
the field stuff, none of them.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
It's can you lead?
Speaker 2 (05:55):
And if you walk in like you know what, doesn't
stink and you're not willing to work with the coaches
in a meeting, which is essentially a job interview, they're
not going to draft you. But also the word gets
out this guy is you know, is just acting like
a complete ass. So I you know, he didn't want
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teams to draft him. Those teams spread the word to
other teams and what he was like, and the teams
that I'm sure he wanted to have draft him, they
chose not to. That's literally what happened. You can take
it as hating on Shador. You can take it as
whatever you want. Here's Colin Cowhert talk about Shador.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
You could argue, of all the rookie quarterbacks, he was
throwing to the weakest receiving corps. This morning, I went
and found the ten guys who made a catch for
the Cleveland Browns in this game. Eight are undrafted. One
of them is sal Kanella, who honestly is my favorite
Sopranos character. Ever, one of them is toa Tua Jamari Thrash.
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Now I remember James Thrash, no relation Jamari Thrash. Gauge
Larva Dan Larva Dan I thought was a headache medication.
The point being is eight of the ten are undrafted.
And this is what he did, with the exception of
Travis Hunter. This is what he did at Colorado. He
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had to outscore teams, he had to carry a team.
I mean, Colorado had the forty second best defense. His
biggest win at Colorado was arguably TCU forty five forty
two shootout or something like that. He also had the
worst rushing offense in college football, not bad, the worst
won thirty four FBS bad online. It was always on
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shoot or Sanders. And when I looked at that receiving
cor this morning, I went, this is Colorado all over again.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I mean, now Collins in the other camp, Oh, he
did it. Look he's hurt. He's not going to play
this preseason game, which listen, you played a he played
a good game, bounce back from a slow start. So
now let's see what everybody else does with those same
wide receivers. You know, it'll give the Dylan Gabriels of
the world the flat Goes of the world a chance
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to show themselves as well. So no one's finds fault
with how he played. I didn't love this showing up
with an entourage. I'm going to carrying your bag. But again,
you go out and play, you go out and hoop
and ball and guys by in. It doesn't really matter,
you know what we say. It's about the guys in
the locker room and about that coaching staff and who
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they think can lead them the best. That's literally it it.
Here's Chris Broussard talking about Texas not being favored against
Ohio State and the opener.
Speaker 6 (08:44):
But this is absolutely disrespectful. Are we number one or not?
Are we the best team in the country or not?
I get it. It's in Columbuses in Ohio, but still
is the football field. There's still one hundred yards, the
ball is.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
The same size.
Speaker 6 (09:01):
If we're the best team in the country, then we're
supposed to win.
Speaker 7 (09:06):
Don't make us.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
Number one in the preseason and then say, you know what,
you got a week? What you got one week to
be the best team in the country and then that's it.
I mean, so it is absolutely and they're not even
it's not even like as great as Ohio State is
obviously defending national champions.
Speaker 7 (09:23):
They're number three.
Speaker 6 (09:24):
Penn State is number two, so it is completely disrespect
it's actually a good father for them.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Yeah, I don't agree with Chris.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
I mean, Ohio State is there, ain't three and they're
playing at home. You know, we're I don't even know.
I don't even know where to go with that. It's
like we're are we diminishing the fact they play in
the shoe and how college football works. So, but if
Chris said this point, which I think is a really
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good one, if if Ohio State wins despite their thinking
of being three and Texas one, it should not be
deemed an upset, right, Just shouldn't because that's not by definition,
And upset by definition is when the team who's favored loses,
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and this case, your two and a half point favorite.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Right.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
I don't know how to tell Chris this one, but
home field advantage home court advantage is usually three to
three and a half points. So if anything, if it's
three or three and a half, Texas is considered the
better team they're playing on the road.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
That's what the Fox said.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
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Speaker 3 (10:45):
Let's find out who What's annoying? Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
And now it's your annoy.
Speaker 8 (10:56):
Oh man, that's Michael j What is that? Michael Porter,
Michael j Michael Jay Jordan anyway, Jay Fox, Michael Porter.
I'm gonna clean that up and edit. He's been making
the rounds, uh, talking about you know, what he wants
his wife to be and everything else, and then he
said this very alarming thing. Now, the the best thing
(11:21):
about new media is that you get a guy very
comfortable in the surroundings that it's just saying shit that
he just shouldn't say out loud. Basically, Michael Porter is
saying in this podcast what is probably said in locker
rooms or on the road with your NBA teammates. This
has to be an alarming bit of sound if you
(11:43):
are Adam Silver.
Speaker 7 (11:44):
But think about it, if you could get all your homies
rich by telling him, yo, no shit, ten thousand dollars
on under you know this one game, I'm gonna act
like I got an injury and I'm a I'm a
I'm gonna sit out. I'm gonna come out after three
minutes and they all get a little bad because you
did it one game like that is so not okay.
But some people probably think like that. They come from
nothing and all their homies have nothing, and they're like, Bro,
(12:06):
if I if I come out of this game after
three minutes and y'all all hit on my under, we're
all getting a little bad, you know what I mean?
And I obviously my brother went through his situation. You know,
Malik Beasley's going through a situation. Aroun. Now, Terry Rozier
was in some hot water.
Speaker 8 (12:20):
Have you ever forgot You've obviously gotten DM before, Like
you fuck my parlay?
Speaker 5 (12:25):
Bro?
Speaker 7 (12:25):
What the whole sports gambling like entity?
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Bro?
Speaker 7 (12:29):
It's it's it's bad, and it's it's only gonna get worse. Bro,
Like we we really do get death threats, Like if.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
You and the thing is you can somebody doesn't crazy parties, you.
Speaker 7 (12:38):
Can't win anymore because if I if I do good,
if I do too good, I'm messing up the people
bet on the under and if I bet on if
they bet on my over, Like you know what I'm saying.
So you're you're messing up some people's money. If they
bet on your under or over, you're messing up some people.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
You know, what's crazy you think about?
Speaker 5 (12:54):
This is only in probably like what thirteen states right now.
Speaker 8 (12:58):
I think that there's like if you live through the
Pete Rose saying, I think you're more alarmed than if
you're a gen z right, because like the Pete Rose saying,
it's the worst thing that you could possibly do to
your sport, to your industry is too bet on the game.
And then you have a guy whose brother has been
banned from the game talking just casually about what guys
(13:20):
say about giving your boys the bag by just just
you know, sitting out or hitting her under. This is
way too casual, right or am I missing something here?
Speaker 5 (13:30):
No?
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Way too casual, way too casual.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
But I mean again that line of thinking, and he
couches it like, hey, it's bad, but you know it's
like the I gotta say, she had to kill it.
But I understand that's what that's what it feels like.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
To me.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
It's a It's a major problem, a major major problem.
This is why I just don't understand how they've let anybody,
how they let it gamble on any sport, you know,
like the thing they're getting caught up in is in
there in in the betting on their own futures. When
I still think betting on other sports is just a
(14:08):
big an issue. When you're addicted to gambling, you're adicted
to gambling. It doesn't matter what sport is, what your
job is. You just want to gamble.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
That's it.
Speaker 8 (14:17):
So I'm with you, right, And if you if you
are a sports gambler, you're inevitably going to chase a
ton of money. What are you going to do that's
in your control when you have when you're chasing money,
That's that's the difference. Another guy saying something on a
podcast that maybe you shouldn't say out loud. So Tom
Brady I thought he I thought the first season was
(14:38):
a miss, lots of critique, and he addressed the criticisms
in a podcast with Joel Klatt and then after saying
basically that you know, it was like your rookie year
as a quarterback, and you get in there and it's
a lot faster than you anticipated. Had my ups and
my downs, and then he goes to this.
Speaker 9 (15:00):
I think that the tricky part for broadcasting is everybody
likes something.
Speaker 10 (15:04):
A little bit different.
Speaker 9 (15:05):
Yeah, so it's not like a scoreboard because the winning
the team that has more points on the scoreboards the winner,
and then the one that has less points is the loser.
It's easy. I think when you're broadcasting a game, the
listener likes something different from everybody. They like your voice,
they like your inflection, they like your technical parts, or
they don't or they don't like any of those. That's right,
(15:26):
they like or they don't like, you know, something like
a little teaching, some like a little you know, entertainment,
some like personal or story something you're talking too much
about yourself. So depending on who you ask, you get
a lot of feedback. And that's I think the little
bit of confusing part.
Speaker 8 (15:39):
So, Doug, imagine you have a lot of experience calling games.
Imagine having thoughts going through your head where you are thinking,
I need to please all of these bits of criticism
that I need to deliver for everybody, as opposed to
just like being insightful, being yourself, and then that should
(16:01):
be it. But if he goes into the broadcast booth
trying to please everybody, how how like set up is
he to fail with that?
Speaker 2 (16:08):
One totally said to fail because there's a there's something
missing there where all he has to do is admit
he's got to get better. And that wasn't part of it,
you know, that was well, some people just don't like
my style. No, no, no, no, nope, no, nope, nope.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Not at all.
Speaker 8 (16:33):
So I brought this up a couple of weeks ago.
Dana White goes on a I think it was Good
Morning America yesterday and he said this, it.
Speaker 10 (16:45):
Is definitely gonna happen. Oh, I talked to him last night,
him being the president, and I'm flying out there at
the end of this month and I'm gonna sit down
and walk him through, you know, all the plans and
the renderings, and we're going to start side and what
he wants and doesn't want. But yeah, it's definitely gonna happen. Well,
think about this when you were just asking me, you know,
(17:06):
at the beginning, how I felt about you know, where
we are today, July fourth, two hundred and fiftieth birthday
of the United States of America, live on CBS from
the White House now.
Speaker 8 (17:19):
So he's talking about the fact that it's almost confirmed
that there's going to be a UFC fight on the
White House Lawn for the two hundred and fiftieth birthday
next July fourth. There are a ton of people that
love UFC. I think you watch it. I'm not one
of them. I think it's pretty barbaric. I don't like
I don't like the violence. But there's just something again,
(17:41):
very unseemly about a fight on the fourth of July
on the White House lawn, A fight cart like I
am I the only one who's feeling this way.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
No, it's very much ancient ancient Rome Roman gladiator, you know,
when you have the president walking like he's the emperor.
Completely agree, completely agree, you know, completely agree, And.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Yes I do. I is it barbaric? Yes? Is it?
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Is there a little bit of hate hate like of course,
there's a lot of like like, there's interesting stories, there's
and and I get that. For Trump, it's he believe
this is connecting with his base. I there are Trumpers
in there. But there is a but this this is
what's been lost in Washington with Trump, is there is
(18:33):
a right way in or wrong way when you're president
of United States. There's a certain like I think you're
you're thinking, you know, there's certain kind of classid dignity
to the White House itself.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
And this is not that, this is not not that.
So it feels very ancient rome to me.
Speaker 8 (18:48):
One of the things I think that annoys me most
about the guys that like, he won, he won, and
that should that kind of should kind of uh be
the end of that, that part that he and then
now he could try to fulfill all the promises, but
it just seems like every day he is doing something
in the news that is strictly a fuck you to
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the other side. Yes, and this just seems like a
fuck you to the other side. And that's just not
a great way to read the country. So we got
Trump UFC, we got Brady thinking about how to please everybody,
and Michael Porter's very casual podcast sit down.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Uh, what's most annoying? I would say.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Michael Porter's the ease, by which he talks about essentially
throwing parts of games, like again, this is part of
the screwed up jet. No, you don't understand that's it's
not a bad thing. It's the worst thing you could do.
It's the worst thing you could do, and he did it.
So Michael Porter Jr. The ease by what you're saying
(19:55):
these things.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
You're annoying doing this.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Because we can.
Speaker 8 (20:07):
Tom Brady is all over this podcast. Tom Brady was
with Greg Olsen now. He and Greg Olsen talked about
how how much fodder they have become for broadcast critics,
for media critics. Basically, Greg Olsen is the much better broadcaster.
Tom Brady is the much bigger name, and I think
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that's made for some pretty good fodder for media critics.
And Greg Olsen and Tom Brady talked about it.
Speaker 11 (20:34):
When I look at broadcasting, I was very much a
rookie this last year, but I looked up to a
lot of people that I thought, man, he does a
great job, and you're obviously one of the greats already
at sucked your young age. I want to be like Greg.
I watched so much Greg Olsen broadcasting tape, you know,
and I just said, Okay, well, what's he do that
(20:54):
I really like that Maybe I can apply to what
I'm doing in my prep or my prep or my
on air and then other people that have been in
this business a long time. I'll be here for you
for anything. That's the reality. Will you ask me anything
from now to the rest of my life? Because you've
been available to me, and that's what a great teammate is.
And there's a part with our jobs that you know
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people or people want to write about that. I don't
give a shit about any of it. I just care
about my relationship to you because I know if I'm
cool with you, that's all that matters. And I know
that when you call, I answered. I know when I
call you you answer. When I got a question, you
answer it, and when you got a question, I answer it.
And that's that's all that cares. Because this time will
come and go and the articles will come and go,
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but the only people that need to be cool are
me and you, because that's all that matters to me
in my life.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
Completely true, Completely true.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
But it also shows how good a dude Greg Olsen
is if he's if he has a relationship with Tom Brady,
despite the fact that Tom Brady you served him, and
you know what, I actually I'm the same way. But
you know, we don't broadcast these things for the most part,
most people are Most people know that, and it's like
Greg Olsen's issue is not with tom Brady, it's with
the guys that decided tom Brady should We can only
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hire Tom Brady. He's gonna do the A game and
he's got to do it by himself. So yeah, I
think it speaks volumes for how good it do. Greg
Olsen is why could we play for you? Because we can't.
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Speaker 3 (22:23):
iHeart Radio app. I'm Doug Gottlieb.
All right, this is the Doug Gottlie Show. Heres in
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
What Doug gotlib Shall in the Bonus Fox Sports Radio.
iHeart Relac, Welcome in. I want to make you ahead
of something, because what will happen is you'll get pulled
into a conversation okay, and you'll have people who tell
you like that, like things like, well, running backs are
(00:32):
back and they're they're back to getting the right kind
of deals. And don't get me wrong, the running back
market has been helped recently by some of these deals.
But James Cook, who was a hold in, got a
new contract with the Buffalo Bills, and he was in
on forty seven and a half percent of the snaps
last year.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
He's a huge.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Component to one of the best teams in football. But
if you look at the deal, and the details haven't
come out yet, but they're easy enough to read. It's
a four year, forty eight million dollar deal. Oh, running
back getting four years? Yeah, well, it's thirty million dollars guaranteed.
So what's that likely mean? Likely means that it's a
(01:15):
two and a half year guarantee, much like all of
these guys have signed they don't want to get in
bed with a running back for too long. They just don't,
you know, because as soon as they start to age,
you know, or they get hit or they get hurt,
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then all of a sudden, now their value decreases greatly.
So all we want to do is, I mean, this
is a kid who's what he's about to turn twenty
six years old, twenty six, and he's played three years
in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Okay, so he was coming up on his fourth year.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
He had his fifth year extension, and I'm sure all
they did was move some money around so it gets
the year a bit early. Then he gets his fifth
year and then he probably has a partially guaranteed year,
or maybe it's one year after that. But they got
a guy in his prime, and my guess is that
the money, the guaranteed money runs out when he gets
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to twenty eight to twenty nine, which has always been
the time to get out of running backs. So it
sounds and feels, you know, after two one thousand yard
seasons in a row, like a huge, great deal, and
it is slightly better than running backs for getting, but
it hasn't changed the market greatly.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
App Let's Get to the Fox Says, and now.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Every day at this time of The Gottlieb Show, in
the Bonus Podcast, we play for your portion of a
previous show on Fox Sports Radio Fox Sports One. Here's
our good friend Dan Byer guest hosting for Covenio and
Rich talking about your door.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
What I'm talking about of just of of the control.
So the NFL is just control freaks and they have
an individual wanting to do his own thing. I think
teams were put off by that. I don't think he
was on certain draft boards, so what limits the pool?
And you're going to when I say that this is
why he was drafted in the fifth round. That's what
I'm talking about. Now, there's some clarification about the interview
(03:17):
that he did with Tony Grossi, who's covered Cleveland sports
for decades, and Tony admitted on ESPN Cleveland Today saying,
you know what I appreciated about Shador is he didn't
call me out on the podium of the press conference
where he goes. I've had other quarterbacks do that, and
Schador didn't do that. And Grossi also said I went
(03:38):
up to Shador, which is something that I wasn't sure
on how the interaction was. What Grossy said he didn't
appreciate or didn't love was he didn't know he was
being recorded and that he was being filmed, and that
their conversation was being recorded. But it's not meant to
be a major in Diamond. That's I'm actually surprised on
how it took off because there's nothing, there's zero about
(03:59):
race about it, and people saying, I wonder what his
thoughts were about Johnny Manziel. Johnny Manziel would even admit,
and I think we all admit, admit that Johnny Football
took down Johnny Manziel. The name and the star power
of being Johnny Football was his own demise. And that's
(04:20):
and and by the way, what Johnny Manziel was doing
is not even compared to what Chadors is doing. Manzell
was doing things much worse. He was showing up hungover,
still drunk, flying out to Vegas, doing that that stuff.
Shador has done none of that except to get a
couple of speeding tickets. Yeah, like that's that's what it's
been so far. So he hasn't done any of that stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Yeah, that's fair. Look, there's no nothing criminal here. I
do think that Dan is under selling how bad the
interviews were, Like when you totally blow off interviews. I
don't think it was the case of the NFL not
wanting him to do his own thing. It's like, if
you have to, it's not even about being humble pie,
(05:03):
it's just about being engaged and showing you want the job.
They make no mistake about it. They the Sanders camp
blew this thing. Hey, the Sanders camp.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Blew this thing.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Because most guys, you bring them in and they blow
you away. I cannot believe how goo to do this
kid is I gotta have them. And what they were
trying to do was manipulate what team he would go to.
And he clearly irritated teams that he wasn't going to
go to, and then he didn't get wasn't drafted by
the team he wanted to go to. So we're making
(05:40):
this about things that I don't think it's about. And
I don't think it has anything to do with with
with off the field stuff. Obviously, you don't want him
off field, but quarterbacks and now these quarterbacks have off
the field stuff, none of them.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
It's can you lead?
Speaker 2 (05:55):
And if you walk in like you know what, doesn't
stink and you're not willing to work with the coaches
in a meeting, which is essentially a job interview, they're
not going to draft you. But also the word gets
out this guy is you know, is just acting like
a complete ass. So I you know, he didn't want
(06:15):
teams to draft him. Those teams spread the word to
other teams and what he was like, and the teams
that I'm sure he wanted to have draft him, they
chose not to. That's literally what happened. You can take
it as hating on Shador. You can take it as
whatever you want. Here's Colin Cowhert talk about Shador.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
You could argue, of all the rookie quarterbacks, he was
throwing to the weakest receiving corps. This morning, I went
and found the ten guys who made a catch for
the Cleveland Browns in this game. Eight are undrafted. One
of them is sal Kanella, who honestly is my favorite
Sopranos character. Ever, one of them is toa Tua Jamari Thrash.
(06:56):
Now I remember James Thrash, no relation Jamari Thrash. Gauge
Larva Dan Larva Dan I thought was a headache medication.
The point being is eight of the ten are undrafted.
And this is what he did, with the exception of
Travis Hunter. This is what he did at Colorado. He
(07:19):
had to outscore teams, he had to carry a team.
I mean, Colorado had the forty second best defense. His
biggest win at Colorado was arguably TCU forty five forty
two shootout or something like that. He also had the
worst rushing offense in college football, not bad, the worst
won thirty four FBS bad online. It was always on
(07:41):
shoot or Sanders. And when I looked at that receiving
cor this morning, I went, this is Colorado all over again.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I mean, now Collins in the other camp, Oh, he
did it. Look he's hurt. He's not going to play
this preseason game, which listen, you played a he played
a good game, bounce back from a slow start. So
now let's see what everybody else does with those same
wide receivers. You know, it'll give the Dylan Gabriels of
the world the flat Goes of the world a chance
(08:11):
to show themselves as well. So no one's finds fault
with how he played. I didn't love this showing up
with an entourage. I'm going to carrying your bag. But again,
you go out and play, you go out and hoop
and ball and guys by in. It doesn't really matter,
you know what we say. It's about the guys in
the locker room and about that coaching staff and who
(08:33):
they think can lead them the best. That's literally it it.
Here's Chris Broussard talking about Texas not being favored against
Ohio State and the opener.
Speaker 6 (08:44):
But this is absolutely disrespectful. Are we number one or not?
Are we the best team in the country or not?
I get it. It's in Columbuses in Ohio, but still
is the football field. There's still one hundred yards, the
ball is.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
The same size.
Speaker 6 (09:01):
If we're the best team in the country, then we're
supposed to win.
Speaker 7 (09:06):
Don't make us.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
Number one in the preseason and then say, you know what,
you got a week? What you got one week to
be the best team in the country and then that's it.
I mean, so it is absolutely and they're not even
it's not even like as great as Ohio State is
obviously defending national champions.
Speaker 7 (09:23):
They're number three.
Speaker 6 (09:24):
Penn State is number two, so it is completely disrespect
it's actually a good father for them.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Yeah, I don't agree with Chris.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
I mean, Ohio State is there, ain't three and they're
playing at home. You know, we're I don't even know.
I don't even know where to go with that. It's
like we're are we diminishing the fact they play in
the shoe and how college football works. So, but if
Chris said this point, which I think is a really
(09:56):
good one, if if Ohio State wins despite their thinking
of being three and Texas one, it should not be
deemed an upset, right, Just shouldn't because that's not by definition,
And upset by definition is when the team who's favored loses,
(10:16):
and this case, your two and a half point favorite.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Right.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
I don't know how to tell Chris this one, but
home field advantage home court advantage is usually three to
three and a half points. So if anything, if it's
three or three and a half, Texas is considered the
better team they're playing on the road.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
That's what the Fox said.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
I'd say, be sure to catch live editions of the
Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Let's find out who What's annoying? Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
And now it's your annoy.
Speaker 8 (10:56):
Oh man, that's Michael j What is that? Michael Porter,
Michael j Michael Jay Jordan anyway, Jay Fox, Michael Porter.
I'm gonna clean that up and edit. He's been making
the rounds, uh, talking about you know, what he wants
his wife to be and everything else, and then he
said this very alarming thing. Now, the the best thing
(11:21):
about new media is that you get a guy very
comfortable in the surroundings that it's just saying shit that
he just shouldn't say out loud. Basically, Michael Porter is
saying in this podcast what is probably said in locker
rooms or on the road with your NBA teammates. This
has to be an alarming bit of sound if you
(11:43):
are Adam Silver.
Speaker 7 (11:44):
But think about it, if you could get all your homies
rich by telling him, yo, no shit, ten thousand dollars
on under you know this one game, I'm gonna act
like I got an injury and I'm a I'm a
I'm gonna sit out. I'm gonna come out after three
minutes and they all get a little bad because you
did it one game like that is so not okay.
But some people probably think like that. They come from
nothing and all their homies have nothing, and they're like, Bro,
(12:06):
if I if I come out of this game after
three minutes and y'all all hit on my under, we're
all getting a little bad, you know what I mean?
And I obviously my brother went through his situation. You know,
Malik Beasley's going through a situation. Aroun. Now, Terry Rozier
was in some hot water.
Speaker 8 (12:20):
Have you ever forgot You've obviously gotten DM before, Like
you fuck my parlay?
Speaker 5 (12:25):
Bro?
Speaker 7 (12:25):
What the whole sports gambling like entity?
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Bro?
Speaker 7 (12:29):
It's it's it's bad, and it's it's only gonna get worse. Bro,
Like we we really do get death threats, Like if.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
You and the thing is you can somebody doesn't crazy parties, you.
Speaker 7 (12:38):
Can't win anymore because if I if I do good,
if I do too good, I'm messing up the people
bet on the under and if I bet on if
they bet on my over, Like you know what I'm saying.
So you're you're messing up some people's money. If they
bet on your under or over, you're messing up some people.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
You know, what's crazy you think about?
Speaker 5 (12:54):
This is only in probably like what thirteen states right now.
Speaker 8 (12:58):
I think that there's like if you live through the
Pete Rose saying, I think you're more alarmed than if
you're a gen z right, because like the Pete Rose saying,
it's the worst thing that you could possibly do to
your sport, to your industry is too bet on the game.
And then you have a guy whose brother has been
banned from the game talking just casually about what guys
(13:20):
say about giving your boys the bag by just just
you know, sitting out or hitting her under. This is
way too casual, right or am I missing something here?
Speaker 5 (13:30):
No?
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Way too casual, way too casual.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
But I mean again that line of thinking, and he
couches it like, hey, it's bad, but you know it's
like the I gotta say, she had to kill it.
But I understand that's what that's what it feels like.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
To me.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
It's a It's a major problem, a major major problem.
This is why I just don't understand how they've let anybody,
how they let it gamble on any sport, you know,
like the thing they're getting caught up in is in
there in in the betting on their own futures. When
I still think betting on other sports is just a
(14:08):
big an issue. When you're addicted to gambling, you're adicted
to gambling. It doesn't matter what sport is, what your
job is. You just want to gamble.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
That's it.
Speaker 8 (14:17):
So I'm with you, right, And if you if you
are a sports gambler, you're inevitably going to chase a
ton of money. What are you going to do that's
in your control when you have when you're chasing money,
That's that's the difference. Another guy saying something on a
podcast that maybe you shouldn't say out loud. So Tom
Brady I thought he I thought the first season was
(14:38):
a miss, lots of critique, and he addressed the criticisms
in a podcast with Joel Klatt and then after saying
basically that you know, it was like your rookie year
as a quarterback, and you get in there and it's
a lot faster than you anticipated. Had my ups and
my downs, and then he goes to this.
Speaker 9 (15:00):
I think that the tricky part for broadcasting is everybody
likes something.
Speaker 10 (15:04):
A little bit different.
Speaker 9 (15:05):
Yeah, so it's not like a scoreboard because the winning
the team that has more points on the scoreboards the winner,
and then the one that has less points is the loser.
It's easy. I think when you're broadcasting a game, the
listener likes something different from everybody. They like your voice,
they like your inflection, they like your technical parts, or
they don't or they don't like any of those. That's right,
(15:26):
they like or they don't like, you know, something like
a little teaching, some like a little you know, entertainment,
some like personal or story something you're talking too much
about yourself. So depending on who you ask, you get
a lot of feedback. And that's I think the little
bit of confusing part.
Speaker 8 (15:39):
So, Doug, imagine you have a lot of experience calling games.
Imagine having thoughts going through your head where you are thinking,
I need to please all of these bits of criticism
that I need to deliver for everybody, as opposed to
just like being insightful, being yourself, and then that should
(16:01):
be it. But if he goes into the broadcast booth
trying to please everybody, how how like set up is
he to fail with that?
Speaker 2 (16:08):
One totally said to fail because there's a there's something
missing there where all he has to do is admit
he's got to get better. And that wasn't part of it,
you know, that was well, some people just don't like
my style. No, no, no, no, nope, no, nope, nope.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Not at all.
Speaker 8 (16:33):
So I brought this up a couple of weeks ago.
Dana White goes on a I think it was Good
Morning America yesterday and he said this, it.
Speaker 10 (16:45):
Is definitely gonna happen. Oh, I talked to him last night,
him being the president, and I'm flying out there at
the end of this month and I'm gonna sit down
and walk him through, you know, all the plans and
the renderings, and we're going to start side and what
he wants and doesn't want. But yeah, it's definitely gonna happen. Well,
think about this when you were just asking me, you know,
(17:06):
at the beginning, how I felt about you know, where
we are today, July fourth, two hundred and fiftieth birthday
of the United States of America, live on CBS from
the White House now.
Speaker 8 (17:19):
So he's talking about the fact that it's almost confirmed
that there's going to be a UFC fight on the
White House Lawn for the two hundred and fiftieth birthday
next July fourth. There are a ton of people that
love UFC. I think you watch it. I'm not one
of them. I think it's pretty barbaric. I don't like
I don't like the violence. But there's just something again,
(17:41):
very unseemly about a fight on the fourth of July
on the White House lawn, A fight cart like I
am I the only one who's feeling this way.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
No, it's very much ancient ancient Rome Roman gladiator, you know,
when you have the president walking like he's the emperor.
Completely agree, completely agree, you know, completely agree, And.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Yes I do. I is it barbaric? Yes? Is it?
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Is there a little bit of hate hate like of course,
there's a lot of like like, there's interesting stories, there's
and and I get that. For Trump, it's he believe
this is connecting with his base. I there are Trumpers
in there. But there is a but this this is
what's been lost in Washington with Trump, is there is
(18:33):
a right way in or wrong way when you're president
of United States. There's a certain like I think you're
you're thinking, you know, there's certain kind of classid dignity
to the White House itself.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
And this is not that, this is not not that.
So it feels very ancient rome to me.
Speaker 8 (18:48):
One of the things I think that annoys me most
about the guys that like, he won, he won, and
that should that kind of should kind of uh be
the end of that, that part that he and then
now he could try to fulfill all the promises, but
it just seems like every day he is doing something
in the news that is strictly a fuck you to
(19:11):
the other side. Yes, and this just seems like a
fuck you to the other side. And that's just not
a great way to read the country. So we got
Trump UFC, we got Brady thinking about how to please everybody,
and Michael Porter's very casual podcast sit down.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Uh, what's most annoying? I would say.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Michael Porter's the ease, by which he talks about essentially
throwing parts of games, like again, this is part of
the screwed up jet. No, you don't understand that's it's
not a bad thing. It's the worst thing you could do.
It's the worst thing you could do, and he did it.
So Michael Porter Jr. The ease by what you're saying
(19:55):
these things.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
You're annoying doing this.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Because we can.
Speaker 8 (20:07):
Tom Brady is all over this podcast. Tom Brady was
with Greg Olsen now. He and Greg Olsen talked about
how how much fodder they have become for broadcast critics,
for media critics. Basically, Greg Olsen is the much better broadcaster.
Tom Brady is the much bigger name, and I think
(20:27):
that's made for some pretty good fodder for media critics.
And Greg Olsen and Tom Brady talked about it.
Speaker 11 (20:34):
When I look at broadcasting, I was very much a
rookie this last year, but I looked up to a
lot of people that I thought, man, he does a
great job, and you're obviously one of the greats already
at sucked your young age. I want to be like Greg.
I watched so much Greg Olsen broadcasting tape, you know,
and I just said, Okay, well, what's he do that
(20:54):
I really like that Maybe I can apply to what
I'm doing in my prep or my prep or my
on air and then other people that have been in
this business a long time. I'll be here for you
for anything. That's the reality. Will you ask me anything
from now to the rest of my life? Because you've
been available to me, and that's what a great teammate is.
And there's a part with our jobs that you know
(21:17):
people or people want to write about that. I don't
give a shit about any of it. I just care
about my relationship to you because I know if I'm
cool with you, that's all that matters. And I know
that when you call, I answered. I know when I
call you you answer. When I got a question, you
answer it, and when you got a question, I answer it.
And that's that's all that cares. Because this time will
come and go and the articles will come and go,
(21:37):
but the only people that need to be cool are
me and you, because that's all that matters to me
in my life.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
Completely true, Completely true.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
But it also shows how good a dude Greg Olsen
is if he's if he has a relationship with Tom Brady,
despite the fact that Tom Brady you served him, and
you know what, I actually I'm the same way. But
you know, we don't broadcast these things for the most part,
most people are Most people know that, and it's like
Greg Olsen's issue is not with tom Brady, it's with
the guys that decided tom Brady should We can only
(22:07):
hire Tom Brady. He's gonna do the A game and
he's got to do it by himself. So yeah, I
think it speaks volumes for how good it do. Greg
Olsen is why could we play for you? Because we can't.
That's it for the end of the Bonus podcast. You
got the radio show every day three to five years
from twelve two Pacific, Fox Sports Tradio.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
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