September 9, 2025 • 26 mins
Doug riffs on pay rolls and salaries and how we think of players after knowing their compensation. Doug reacts to Brady Quinn's take on Kevin O'Donnel. Doug chooses among deserving candidates Jason Stewart deems as most annoying. Plus, Trent Bray makes today's installment of "Because We Can".
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, this is the Doug Gottli Show. Heres in
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
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Speaker 3 (00:17):
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Speaker 4 (00:24):
So?
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Here we are creeping towards the end of baseball season, right,
and my man Jay stew is just frustrated. He's just
frustrated with his Dodgers. Now, he's just a frustrated man
because so much of it is the expectations. Right, they
won a World Series last year. They have the highest
play roll in the history of the sport. This year,
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they have had some injuries, but they've also had some
uneven play and they've had some bizarre finishes, much like
when they almost had a no hitter the other day
and the bullpen comes in and blows the game. Right,
They There's been some stuff going on there. But I
I think Jasud the bigger point is what public salaries.
What it creates, you know, it creates a perception of what.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Our expectations are.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
I mean, look, I think that that's one of the
things we're seeing now in college sports. We've always seen
it with coaches. Once you know how much a coach makes,
it makes you judge him very differently based upon how
he coaches.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
With players.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Now, we don't necessarily know how much guys are getting.
It's all rumor and supposition. But once we find out,
then all of a sudden that becomes well, he's either
a bargain or he's got to perform because that's how
much he's getting paid. It's truly interesting on how the
human brain works. The end of the day, you're still
a baseball team. You have just as many issues and
just as many problems and whatever. But because of the
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salaries of the Dodgers, and granted, most of those salaries
are tied up into stars, like a like a like
a show, Hey Otani, right, like the fact that he
and he's not making a ton, but eventually he'll be
making in the seventy million dollars per year sort of
variety because those numbers are by his name. The expectations
and he does deliver are great.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
But I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
I just I think back to that parade magazine that
everybody used to get. When people would get a Sunday
newspaper which would tell you how much a librarian in
Des Moines made, and then you'd make a judgment about
the Librariyan des Moines, not based upon meeting them, not
based upon who they are, their background, how good they are, anything,
just a librarian and des Moin makes seventy thousand dollars
plus all benefits, Like that's our great gig. I gotta
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move to des Moines. And for that exact same reason,
we judge athletes more based upon how much they're paid
than in comparison to how they performed, instead of just
how they performed. And it's one of the new things
you're learning in college football is you'd add embedding with
paying players, and you're gonna have a lot of ugly interactions,
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especially online after big games because.
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In the Bonus Podcast, we bring you a previous portion
of a Fox Sports Radio Fox Sports One show. Here's
Brady Quinn talking about Vikings head coach Kevin O'Connell.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
What about Kevin O'Connell. Yeah, Well, why aren't we talking
about how good of a head coach he is. I mean,
is he EASi or is he not? The quarterback whisperer.
He's had so many guys now to play like so well,
And I think you chalk it up to maybe his
experience as a quarterback. Maybe you chalk it up to
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the roster around him. I'm not I'm not sure how
you look at it, but like this dude can coach
ball man like he just he's a leader. I like
that that And I'm not saying Ben Johnson is not,
but this is his first shot of being a head coach.
And Kevin O'Connell is very comfortable with how everything played
out last night. It's he almost he almost feel it
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sounds like a dad, you know, like everything out there,
he's like preaching wisdom, like like he knows he's coaching
the NFL long enough to know, and he's one enough
to know there's gonna be so many times. You just
you got to fix some things and you gotta make
enough plays in the end and just kind of believe
you're gonna pull it out, like it's all gonna work
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out in the end. That's exactly what happened last night.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
No question.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
I mean, I think, you know, you give a guy
the answers before the questions Rein proposed, and it gives
a quarterback confidence. And you can see this is why
and Aaron Rodgers want to play from Other quarterbacks have said, hey,
I'd like to go to Caleb Williams reportedly wanted to
go to Minnesota play for Kevin O'Connell. So there's a
guy who, as a former quarterback himself, clearly sees it
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and is able to translate it to his young quarterbacks.
Here's Colin out hurt talking about the Bears and Caleb Williams.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
In the first drive, Caleb Williams is six for six
with one hundred and two passer rating. The rest of
the game, he completed fifty percent and a passer rating
in the seventies. That's a backup in the NFL. JJ
McCarthy in the first three quarters unwatchable a thirty four
passer rating, look terrified in the fourth quarter six of eight,
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one on one passer rating. My takeaway. The further the
Bears Caleb Williams got off script, the worse it got.
The more JJ McCarthy could play loose intuitive football, the
better it got. So don't be afraid to have a
strong opinion after one game. Caleb on script, velocity, horsepower,
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he can move on script, look comfortable and daring and good.
But that opening drive in the third quarter, you could
watch Ben Johnson, who was VISI there's a blee, frustrated
with his lack of accuracy. There were also four false starts,
twelve total Chicago penalties, eight on the offense.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
It was it.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Yeah, it looked like the Bears said last year, only
with a couple of different play calls. It doesn't mean
that the Bears are going to stink, but that thing
was anything but refined. Yesterday last night we watched him
and you know, oh yeah, by the way, you know,
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they had a game what felt like in the bag
and then the comedy Bears at the end of the
game where it took them too long to score. Then
they kick off with two two to go. Anywhere you
kicked the ball, it has to go out of bounds.
You'll get the ball back with fifty eight seconds ago
if you kicked the ball out of bounds, even if
you kick it on the sideline out of bounds where
you know they get it with the forty fine, you
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still get the ball back with plenty of time, but
a comedy of airs and did not look like a
well coached team.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
And that happens first game of the year.
Speaker 6 (07:06):
I rarely say this, I really say this, but like
because Cowherd puts in the work, So there's something there's
a disconnect here. His entire basis for his opening take
this morning was that Caleb Williams performed great on script.
Yeah did you watch that first drive?
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Yeah? I mean it was okay.
Speaker 6 (07:32):
The the great plays, the plays that extended the drive
were completely improvised. There was the running play to the
or the uh when he when he ran out of
the pocket, ran towards the sidelines on third down and
through that bullet to Romaduze if that's how you pronounce
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his name. Yep, he somehow caught it and then his
two feet weren't even in the only reason they didn't
challenge it is because the Bears got the playoff. That
was a total improvisation, had nothing to do with the script.
And let's unless they're in the script. Ben Johnson says,
throw a ball out of your ass that your receiver
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somehow catches, and then uh, well we'll do a quick
play so that you can't challenge it. And then the
scoring play was a scramble, was a breakdown. So it's
like the two most important plays on that drive were
completely breakdowns of plays where Kayleb Williams just had to
use as athleticism. And then Colin's basis is that he's
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best on script. There's a disconnect there. I don't get that.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Well. I mean again, he's just going based upon the numbers.
Maybe the game started.
Speaker 6 (08:47):
If you look at the box score.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
That's yes, yes, I think Actually what he was trying
to say was like when he's left to his own devices,
he's a backup quarterback, and you know, at some point
we may circle around to you know, Colin was what
was right?
Speaker 3 (09:07):
I mean, he missed.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
I think it was Romanduze he missed in the second
half wide open a video that has been replayed a
bunch of times. It was DJ Moore, you know, now,
Dj Moore. There was that penalty called on that last
drive where they hit him and hit Caleb Williams in
the head. It was called roughing, but Dj Moore dropped
the ball where I mean he got hit hit hard.
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But it was a good clean football play. I thought
that Caleb Williams was part of the story. I thought
Minnesota's defense was excellent, and if you look at what
they did, they started constantly sending an extra guy, which
means that Caleb was not comfortable, was not seeing the blitz,
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was not getting the ball to his hots at the
right spot. And I thought they they took advantage of him.
You know, Flores is the defensive coordinator. I thought he
ranked up the pressure. It wasn't just that Caleb Williams
wasn't good enough. Here's Dick right talking about the Ravens.
Speaker 7 (10:06):
It was coaching malpractice. Might be strong, but one degree
less to punk the ball away to Josh Allen in
that game. And that is why, And maybe I should
have led with this.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
I don't.
Speaker 7 (10:19):
I do not believe this collection will get over the humpbru.
It's like, I don't think you're closing the book on
the Ravens. I'm closing the book on the Harball Lamar Combo,
and Lamar is obviously not going anywhere. I just think
there's so much scar tissue at this point of these
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types of losses. And I also think when you add
to it, and again, it is very clear last night,
Lamar was phenomenal, now like absolutely phenomenal. But Lamar has
that scar tissue himself, which is one of the reasons
I think he gets antsy in the postseason and things
like that. I think he might feel like a clean
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slate is good. Like I just don't, I don't know
how anyone can trust to this team. Well, I don't
know how anyone can.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Uh, I don't.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
It's so interesting, like we're blaming a harball. Like the
offense had the ball three different possessions in the fourth quarter.
They fumbled it once, but they went three and out
two other times. So I get what Nick saying, and
on some level it does fall on the coach, But
we could also point out that like it's Lamar Jackson,
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and Lamar Jackson has been given an unbelievable amount of
weaponry and to not be able to get any first
downs in the fourth quarter seems to be about practice.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
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Speaker 3 (11:59):
Let's find out who what is annoying? Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 6 (12:11):
So something happened on Friday, Doug that just got completely
swept up in the whitewash that is the NFL regular
season games. But this, I thought this was great and
it's perfect for this because it's a media thing and
I have a huge there's a huge pet peeve two
of mine in this. So Ryan Clark and Peter Schrager
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we're we're having in exchange. I think it was on
NFL Today on Friday, and it went.
Speaker 8 (12:39):
Like this, Okay, you look at AJ Brown, which is
this number one wide receiver who got one target all
night and then you got CD Lamb.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
But that's the when was the one that's the target?
Was the one saying way.
Speaker 8 (12:50):
Four seconds up in the game on second and eleven,
it was the one target.
Speaker 7 (12:53):
He runs the wake up this quarter they got Brown
had a better day than CD Lamb.
Speaker 8 (12:58):
But you know, you know what's wake up saying?
Speaker 1 (13:00):
You know AJ Brown's team is one to Oh of
course right again.
Speaker 8 (13:03):
But the thing is this though, and and we shouldn't
do this on TV, and so I apologize if people
think this is rude. That's the non player.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Oh stop, that's no that you.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Know, let me tell you why I'm not saying.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
I'm not the fantasy football Ryan, I'm not. Don't don't
don't belittle me like that.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
I could come in and say, as three ex players
are saying one thing and give an alternative perspective that
maybe Ceedee Lamp did play well.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Admit either.
Speaker 8 (13:29):
What I need you to do, what I need for
you to do is not get mad and let me
finish foe.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Okay, go on.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
It wasn't about you.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
It was going to be about me, Okay, okay. So
first of all, I think the very definition of gas
lighting is what Ryan Clarke did at the end there
he said he basically said that thing that I just
said that insults you and anybody that didn't actually play
the game. It wasn't about you. I wasn't referring to you,
which is a gas light in it definitely was in
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the moment he said, this is going to come off
as rude. Yeah it did. It was rude, dismissive, unprofessional,
supposedly doug as the reporting goes by Andrew Marshaut I
think that's his name, he said that the uh this
continued during the commercial break, and it got more heated
and ESPN leadership got involved. This is like low hanging
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fruit for ex athletes and Doug I'm guessing over the
course of your career you have had to fight the
urge to tell people that didn't play basketball that their
opinions about basketball suck, and you've had to fight that urge.
I'm guessing it's but it's an urge you have to
fight to be a professional. You have to. That's what
Ryan Clark in this moment. If he thought it, he
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shouldn't have said it. It's like it's just low hanging
fruit and easy to dismiss somebody and to degrade them.
Peter Scheger, it gets paid a lot of money to
give his opinion. That's not Ryan Clark's decision, but somebody
thinks his decision. Matt in this moment, I just it's
a pet peeve of mine when athletes go to that
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you didn't play the game, car because that just tells
me that that guy must have said something that you
didn't think of and you didn't put the homework in,
and you just want to you just want to belittle
him a little bit. A few weeks ago, Denzel Washington
said this about people that talked sports and talk about
his acting.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
I guess everybody got an opinion.
Speaker 9 (15:24):
Live in a world of opinionaire, you know, I just
what I call them, opinionaires. They're all the shows. There's
a bunch of guys and a couple of them that
have played, but most of them who haven't, who have
an opinion about what something should be when they haven't
done it. Those who can't talk about those who can't.
Those who have know what they talking about. Those who
haven't don't period too much talking, too much talking. I
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got an opinion. Everybody's sitting around getting fat, you know,
thinking they know how to do it. Just because you
could sit behind the desk and chit chat, don't mean
you can do a damn thing.
Speaker 6 (15:56):
Be more sophisticated. Be more sophisticated than that, That's all
I'm asking. Yeah, and maybe take the criticism as constructive.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
I would agree.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
I'd also say that that it was a weird argument,
Like I actually agree with some of kind of the
instincts of where Ryan Clark was going. But he didn't
allow he didn't allow Schrigger to take him there. Here's
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what I mean. Okay, again, the I played, you didn't
I don't think it's the end of the world. I
think the issue is that nobody likes Ryan Clark right now.
So that's why it feels like God another thing for
this guy, Like he's not the first guy to do
the I played you didn't card?
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Right?
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Salisbury used to have that deal on Sports Center with
John Clayton and it was the professor and the player
or whatever, and those insults would happen all the time.
The problem is that his delivery is such where it's
so condesce Everything with him is so condescending that it
always lands bad. But the issue with the actual take itself,
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which was Shreger was trying to convince us that Ceedee
Lamb played well because he had a couple catches, you know,
because because his numbers were better. Would it's either based
upon and and Treger didn't want to say fantasy football,
Like okay, but it's not fantasy football.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Then you have to ask.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Him why would you think that, Like what what about
that game that you watch? Is it's just because he
got the ball thrown to him? Like, no, he had
huge drops. Remember the basis of the argument. And yes,
on some level, I am coming to the defense of
Ryan Clark, because the basis of Pete Schrieger's argument was
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despite the fact that everybody I know thought Ceedee Lamb
blew the game. Okay, despite the fact that Ceedee Lamb,
there's video of him when he got back to the Star,
he's out on the field by himself catching balls off
a jugs machine.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Why because he.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Sitting there trying to tell us he actually played well,
because he had a bunch of targets, Like what, how
does that work?
Speaker 3 (18:08):
You know?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
So, but again the problem is in the delivery, and
the problem is in the Sometimes you gotta let trigger
or the guy who is the writer or is the insider,
be the insider and tell you where that where's that
opinion come from? Well it comes from you know, I'm
watching the game, like, okay, Well I can tell you
having been a form of you can say it without
saying it. He can say having been a form of player.
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I mean, all I can tell you is every form
of player is going to tell you he didn't play
well because when called upon in the most important part
of the game, he blew it. That's actually an interesting discussion. Again,
the problem is in Ryan Clark does not have any
positive equity right now and in his delivery, which is
just so condescending.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Fair.
Speaker 6 (18:54):
Yeah, yeah, I just think that it's like, it just
tells me that you're not very sophisticated when you go
to the you didn't play card.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Well, look again, I'm gonna disagree with you on this part.
Like most guys that played, you know, it's it's the
Mina Kimes.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
I just tell you.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
I talk to people in the in the NFL, and
they always they always want to bring up Mena Kimes.
And the thing about Mena Kimes is it's not just
she like she's literally never played football. So there's so
many subtle nuances to sports. Again, when you're talking subtle nuances,
it's really hard for people who were at who were
actually players to accept the opinion of people who are
not players or coaches.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
That's the reality. And I think it is a good discussion.
Speaker 6 (19:38):
I think we're talking about two separate things. Like I
specifically said in my argument, you can think that you
just can't say it, like the lack of professionalism is
saying what he thinks in this moment, he disregarded his
teammate or his partner on live TV. That's the questionable judgment.
I like, like I said, I have no doubt. Like
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I said to you, I'm sure you have suppressed it
a million times. Oh yeah on your daily show when
you used to do analysts work.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Yeah, you just you can't be condescending like that.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
That's you know, there's a way to say the exact
same thing, to even say it and not be as
condescending as he was.
Speaker 6 (20:17):
And that kind of goes into what I'm saying, like
be more sophisticated about it. But it did give a
great SoundBite from the weekend. Kyle Brandt used to do
this with Peter Schrager. He opened up his I think
NFL Network does a pregame show and he had this
to say.
Speaker 8 (20:32):
It's great to see you, and it's great to see
everybody around the country today working there, especially on set
in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
And a special shout out to the non players today.
Speaker 6 (20:40):
We see you, we respect you on our set and
on several others in the meantime.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
League is great.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
He's so good.
Speaker 6 (20:49):
Shout out to the non players. So my second item
today is the Los Angeles Dodgers. I'm going to use
this analogy and the last time I used it in
mixed company, somebody who isn't who's like of a I
guess you would say Supervisor Role called me on it
because he had a drunk father and it was insensitive.
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So if anybody out there has like a drunk father
that has abused you or ruined your family or your mom,
I'm not saying this to be a glib. I'm saying
it because I actually believe it. Being a Dodger fan
is like having a drunk father. You never know what
guy's going to walk through the door that night, and
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just the fear that the wrong guy is going to
walk in the door torments you. So we are living
in a daily torment because even if a good guy
should walk through the door, a sober guy, you had
to spend most of the day worried that the wrong
guy was going to walk through the door. The Dodgers
have taken no hitters into the ninth inning two out
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of the last three games. They miraculously found a way
to win theirs last night after giving up a hit.
They gave up the maybe the worst loss in recent
Dodger memory on Saturday. But inconsistency, I mean, if i'm
if I'm like a pirates fan, or a Marlins fan.
I could wake up every morning thinking, you know, my
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team sucks, but I love them and I don't expect anything.
So when they do nice things, it's great. The Dodgers
have the most expensive team, the most talented team. It
should not be this inconsistent. It should not torment its
fans with which team is going to show up tonight?
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Yeah, I feel for you. I was supposed to go
to that game, and then I had taken earlier flight out.
I'm partially glad I didn't, but partially glad I did so.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
But at least they won. At least they won.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
I'm not offended by the I do think you could
use the box of chocolates.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
It's a little bit softer.
Speaker 6 (22:58):
Yeah, yeah, I know. I'm not. I'm using not into
the softer choice, but you're right, that would have been
a little bit more nice. Radio Tyreek Hill, I'm just
gonna put this quickly. He's been accused of many instances
of domestic violence by his ex wife. I understand these.
This is a one sided accusation. One sided accusations and
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a divorce lawsuit that always gets heavy. But does anybody
listening to this podcast not fully believe that Tyreek Hill
did these things to this woman given his history. And
that's what annoys me that you read the accusations and
most of the time you'd be like, Wow, this must
be a jilted woman. But then you're like, oh no,
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it's Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Yeah, then you're saying Derek Hill. Tyreek Hill is with
I mean again, there's another guy no positive equity, especially
with women. And you know, we have audio recordings of
him previously. Unfortunately, he was representing my alma mater when
he got first got in trouble at a university, and
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there's a little bit of Tyson Zone. There's a little
bit of Tyson zone to it in that there's not
an accusation about him you wouldn't believe to be true, right,
you just wouldn't. So yeah, I think unfortunately, in the
court of public opinion, he's guilty until proven innocent.
Speaker 6 (24:25):
So I got Tyreek Hill, who seems to be on
the list twice a week, the whole Peter Schegger Ryan
Clark thing, and then the Dodgers are drunk dead.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Yeah, you just want to get the Dodgers one because
it doesn't come anywhere close.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
To the other two. I'm gonna go with Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
I mean, Ryan Clark's taking a good beating, rightfully so,
but I think Tyreek Hill and the annoyance of the
fact that, you know, he seems to be a distraction
on and off the field. Now it's getting to that point.
So Tyreek Hill, why are.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
We doing this?
Speaker 3 (25:01):
I do.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Because we can.
Speaker 6 (25:07):
Now, Doug, you and Bayer and Sam all know who
Trent Bray is. You could probably give me his resume.
Until the SoundBite. I did not know who Trent Bray was.
That's my full transparency here. He is the head coach
of the Oregon State Beavers. He was on live TV. Yeah,
live TV, Doug. It was a after half interview or something. Yeah,
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we're fine.
Speaker 10 (25:30):
I mean we've we've allowed ourselves to create their success
both in special teams fucking joke, right, and then on
big plays on defense, two long runs for touchdowns that
shouldn't exist. They did nothing to harm us. We got
to stop killing ourselves.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
So good. Hey, dude, you know you're on live TV.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Now, why good blame were you? Because we can't. That's
it for the end of Boats podcast. I got the
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Speaker 4 (00:24):
So?
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Here we are creeping towards the end of baseball season, right,
and my man Jay stew is just frustrated. He's just
frustrated with his Dodgers. Now, he's just a frustrated man
because so much of it is the expectations. Right, they
won a World Series last year. They have the highest
play roll in the history of the sport. This year,
(00:46):
they have had some injuries, but they've also had some
uneven play and they've had some bizarre finishes, much like
when they almost had a no hitter the other day
and the bullpen comes in and blows the game. Right,
They There's been some stuff going on there. But I
I think Jasud the bigger point is what public salaries.
What it creates, you know, it creates a perception of what.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Our expectations are.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
I mean, look, I think that that's one of the
things we're seeing now in college sports. We've always seen
it with coaches. Once you know how much a coach makes,
it makes you judge him very differently based upon how
he coaches.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
With players.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Now, we don't necessarily know how much guys are getting.
It's all rumor and supposition. But once we find out,
then all of a sudden that becomes well, he's either
a bargain or he's got to perform because that's how
much he's getting paid. It's truly interesting on how the
human brain works. The end of the day, you're still
a baseball team. You have just as many issues and
just as many problems and whatever. But because of the
(01:48):
salaries of the Dodgers, and granted, most of those salaries
are tied up into stars, like a like a like
a show, Hey Otani, right, like the fact that he
and he's not making a ton, but eventually he'll be
making in the seventy million dollars per year sort of
variety because those numbers are by his name. The expectations
and he does deliver are great.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
But I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
I just I think back to that parade magazine that
everybody used to get. When people would get a Sunday
newspaper which would tell you how much a librarian in
Des Moines made, and then you'd make a judgment about
the Librariyan des Moines, not based upon meeting them, not
based upon who they are, their background, how good they are, anything,
just a librarian and des Moin makes seventy thousand dollars
plus all benefits, Like that's our great gig. I gotta
(02:32):
move to des Moines. And for that exact same reason,
we judge athletes more based upon how much they're paid
than in comparison to how they performed, instead of just
how they performed. And it's one of the new things
you're learning in college football is you'd add embedding with
paying players, and you're gonna have a lot of ugly interactions,
(02:56):
especially online after big games because.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
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Speaker 3 (03:15):
Every day time that Doug Gotlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
In the Bonus Podcast, we bring you a previous portion
of a Fox Sports Radio Fox Sports One show. Here's
Brady Quinn talking about Vikings head coach Kevin O'Connell.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
What about Kevin O'Connell. Yeah, Well, why aren't we talking
about how good of a head coach he is. I mean,
is he EASi or is he not? The quarterback whisperer.
He's had so many guys now to play like so well,
And I think you chalk it up to maybe his
experience as a quarterback. Maybe you chalk it up to
(03:45):
the roster around him. I'm not I'm not sure how
you look at it, but like this dude can coach
ball man like he just he's a leader. I like
that that And I'm not saying Ben Johnson is not,
but this is his first shot of being a head coach.
And Kevin O'Connell is very comfortable with how everything played
out last night. It's he almost he almost feel it
(04:09):
sounds like a dad, you know, like everything out there,
he's like preaching wisdom, like like he knows he's coaching
the NFL long enough to know, and he's one enough
to know there's gonna be so many times. You just
you got to fix some things and you gotta make
enough plays in the end and just kind of believe
you're gonna pull it out, like it's all gonna work
(04:31):
out in the end. That's exactly what happened last night.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
No question.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
I mean, I think, you know, you give a guy
the answers before the questions Rein proposed, and it gives
a quarterback confidence. And you can see this is why
and Aaron Rodgers want to play from Other quarterbacks have said, hey,
I'd like to go to Caleb Williams reportedly wanted to
go to Minnesota play for Kevin O'Connell. So there's a
guy who, as a former quarterback himself, clearly sees it
(04:56):
and is able to translate it to his young quarterbacks.
Here's Colin out hurt talking about the Bears and Caleb Williams.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
In the first drive, Caleb Williams is six for six
with one hundred and two passer rating. The rest of
the game, he completed fifty percent and a passer rating
in the seventies. That's a backup in the NFL. JJ
McCarthy in the first three quarters unwatchable a thirty four
passer rating, look terrified in the fourth quarter six of eight,
(05:25):
one on one passer rating. My takeaway. The further the
Bears Caleb Williams got off script, the worse it got.
The more JJ McCarthy could play loose intuitive football, the
better it got. So don't be afraid to have a
strong opinion after one game. Caleb on script, velocity, horsepower,
(05:49):
he can move on script, look comfortable and daring and good.
But that opening drive in the third quarter, you could
watch Ben Johnson, who was VISI there's a blee, frustrated
with his lack of accuracy. There were also four false starts,
twelve total Chicago penalties, eight on the offense.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
It was it.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Yeah, it looked like the Bears said last year, only
with a couple of different play calls. It doesn't mean
that the Bears are going to stink, but that thing
was anything but refined. Yesterday last night we watched him
and you know, oh yeah, by the way, you know,
(06:36):
they had a game what felt like in the bag
and then the comedy Bears at the end of the
game where it took them too long to score. Then
they kick off with two two to go. Anywhere you
kicked the ball, it has to go out of bounds.
You'll get the ball back with fifty eight seconds ago
if you kicked the ball out of bounds, even if
you kick it on the sideline out of bounds where
you know they get it with the forty fine, you
(06:58):
still get the ball back with plenty of time, but
a comedy of airs and did not look like a
well coached team.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
And that happens first game of the year.
Speaker 6 (07:06):
I rarely say this, I really say this, but like
because Cowherd puts in the work, So there's something there's
a disconnect here. His entire basis for his opening take
this morning was that Caleb Williams performed great on script.
Yeah did you watch that first drive?
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Yeah? I mean it was okay.
Speaker 6 (07:32):
The the great plays, the plays that extended the drive
were completely improvised. There was the running play to the
or the uh when he when he ran out of
the pocket, ran towards the sidelines on third down and
through that bullet to Romaduze if that's how you pronounce
(07:53):
his name. Yep, he somehow caught it and then his
two feet weren't even in the only reason they didn't
challenge it is because the Bears got the playoff. That
was a total improvisation, had nothing to do with the script.
And let's unless they're in the script. Ben Johnson says,
throw a ball out of your ass that your receiver
(08:15):
somehow catches, and then uh, well we'll do a quick
play so that you can't challenge it. And then the
scoring play was a scramble, was a breakdown. So it's
like the two most important plays on that drive were
completely breakdowns of plays where Kayleb Williams just had to
use as athleticism. And then Colin's basis is that he's
(08:38):
best on script. There's a disconnect there. I don't get that.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Well. I mean again, he's just going based upon the numbers.
Maybe the game started.
Speaker 6 (08:47):
If you look at the box score.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
That's yes, yes, I think Actually what he was trying
to say was like when he's left to his own devices,
he's a backup quarterback, and you know, at some point
we may circle around to you know, Colin was what
was right?
Speaker 3 (09:07):
I mean, he missed.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
I think it was Romanduze he missed in the second
half wide open a video that has been replayed a
bunch of times. It was DJ Moore, you know, now,
Dj Moore. There was that penalty called on that last
drive where they hit him and hit Caleb Williams in
the head. It was called roughing, but Dj Moore dropped
the ball where I mean he got hit hit hard.
(09:30):
But it was a good clean football play. I thought
that Caleb Williams was part of the story. I thought
Minnesota's defense was excellent, and if you look at what
they did, they started constantly sending an extra guy, which
means that Caleb was not comfortable, was not seeing the blitz,
(09:50):
was not getting the ball to his hots at the
right spot. And I thought they they took advantage of him.
You know, Flores is the defensive coordinator. I thought he
ranked up the pressure. It wasn't just that Caleb Williams
wasn't good enough. Here's Dick right talking about the Ravens.
Speaker 7 (10:06):
It was coaching malpractice. Might be strong, but one degree
less to punk the ball away to Josh Allen in
that game. And that is why, And maybe I should
have led with this.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
I don't.
Speaker 7 (10:19):
I do not believe this collection will get over the humpbru.
It's like, I don't think you're closing the book on
the Ravens. I'm closing the book on the Harball Lamar Combo,
and Lamar is obviously not going anywhere. I just think
there's so much scar tissue at this point of these
(10:39):
types of losses. And I also think when you add
to it, and again, it is very clear last night,
Lamar was phenomenal, now like absolutely phenomenal. But Lamar has
that scar tissue himself, which is one of the reasons
I think he gets antsy in the postseason and things
like that. I think he might feel like a clean
(11:00):
slate is good. Like I just don't, I don't know
how anyone can trust to this team. Well, I don't
know how anyone can.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Uh, I don't.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
It's so interesting, like we're blaming a harball. Like the
offense had the ball three different possessions in the fourth quarter.
They fumbled it once, but they went three and out
two other times. So I get what Nick saying, and
on some level it does fall on the coach, But
we could also point out that like it's Lamar Jackson,
(11:34):
and Lamar Jackson has been given an unbelievable amount of
weaponry and to not be able to get any first
downs in the fourth quarter seems to be about practice.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
That's what the Fox said say.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
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Speaker 3 (11:59):
Let's find out who what is annoying? Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 6 (12:11):
So something happened on Friday, Doug that just got completely
swept up in the whitewash that is the NFL regular
season games. But this, I thought this was great and
it's perfect for this because it's a media thing and
I have a huge there's a huge pet peeve two
of mine in this. So Ryan Clark and Peter Schrager
(12:33):
we're we're having in exchange. I think it was on
NFL Today on Friday, and it went.
Speaker 8 (12:39):
Like this, Okay, you look at AJ Brown, which is
this number one wide receiver who got one target all
night and then you got CD Lamb.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
But that's the when was the one that's the target?
Was the one saying way.
Speaker 8 (12:50):
Four seconds up in the game on second and eleven,
it was the one target.
Speaker 7 (12:53):
He runs the wake up this quarter they got Brown
had a better day than CD Lamb.
Speaker 8 (12:58):
But you know, you know what's wake up saying?
Speaker 1 (13:00):
You know AJ Brown's team is one to Oh of
course right again.
Speaker 8 (13:03):
But the thing is this though, and and we shouldn't
do this on TV, and so I apologize if people
think this is rude. That's the non player.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Oh stop, that's no that you.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Know, let me tell you why I'm not saying.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
I'm not the fantasy football Ryan, I'm not. Don't don't
don't belittle me like that.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
I could come in and say, as three ex players
are saying one thing and give an alternative perspective that
maybe Ceedee Lamp did play well.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Admit either.
Speaker 8 (13:29):
What I need you to do, what I need for
you to do is not get mad and let me
finish foe.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Okay, go on.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
It wasn't about you.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
It was going to be about me, Okay, okay. So
first of all, I think the very definition of gas
lighting is what Ryan Clarke did at the end there
he said he basically said that thing that I just
said that insults you and anybody that didn't actually play
the game. It wasn't about you. I wasn't referring to you,
which is a gas light in it definitely was in
(13:56):
the moment he said, this is going to come off
as rude. Yeah it did. It was rude, dismissive, unprofessional,
supposedly doug as the reporting goes by Andrew Marshaut I
think that's his name, he said that the uh this
continued during the commercial break, and it got more heated
and ESPN leadership got involved. This is like low hanging
(14:21):
fruit for ex athletes and Doug I'm guessing over the
course of your career you have had to fight the
urge to tell people that didn't play basketball that their
opinions about basketball suck, and you've had to fight that urge.
I'm guessing it's but it's an urge you have to
fight to be a professional. You have to. That's what
Ryan Clark in this moment. If he thought it, he
(14:44):
shouldn't have said it. It's like it's just low hanging
fruit and easy to dismiss somebody and to degrade them.
Peter Scheger, it gets paid a lot of money to
give his opinion. That's not Ryan Clark's decision, but somebody
thinks his decision. Matt in this moment, I just it's
a pet peeve of mine when athletes go to that
(15:04):
you didn't play the game, car because that just tells
me that that guy must have said something that you
didn't think of and you didn't put the homework in,
and you just want to you just want to belittle
him a little bit. A few weeks ago, Denzel Washington
said this about people that talked sports and talk about
his acting.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
I guess everybody got an opinion.
Speaker 9 (15:24):
Live in a world of opinionaire, you know, I just
what I call them, opinionaires. They're all the shows. There's
a bunch of guys and a couple of them that
have played, but most of them who haven't, who have
an opinion about what something should be when they haven't
done it. Those who can't talk about those who can't.
Those who have know what they talking about. Those who
haven't don't period too much talking, too much talking. I
(15:46):
got an opinion. Everybody's sitting around getting fat, you know,
thinking they know how to do it. Just because you
could sit behind the desk and chit chat, don't mean
you can do a damn thing.
Speaker 6 (15:56):
Be more sophisticated. Be more sophisticated than that, That's all
I'm asking. Yeah, and maybe take the criticism as constructive.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
I would agree.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
I'd also say that that it was a weird argument,
Like I actually agree with some of kind of the
instincts of where Ryan Clark was going. But he didn't
allow he didn't allow Schrigger to take him there. Here's
(16:28):
what I mean. Okay, again, the I played, you didn't
I don't think it's the end of the world. I
think the issue is that nobody likes Ryan Clark right now.
So that's why it feels like God another thing for
this guy, Like he's not the first guy to do
the I played you didn't card?
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Right?
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Salisbury used to have that deal on Sports Center with
John Clayton and it was the professor and the player
or whatever, and those insults would happen all the time.
The problem is that his delivery is such where it's
so condesce Everything with him is so condescending that it
always lands bad. But the issue with the actual take itself,
(17:08):
which was Shreger was trying to convince us that Ceedee
Lamb played well because he had a couple catches, you know,
because because his numbers were better. Would it's either based
upon and and Treger didn't want to say fantasy football,
Like okay, but it's not fantasy football.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Then you have to ask.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Him why would you think that, Like what what about
that game that you watch? Is it's just because he
got the ball thrown to him? Like, no, he had
huge drops. Remember the basis of the argument. And yes,
on some level, I am coming to the defense of
Ryan Clark, because the basis of Pete Schrieger's argument was
(17:46):
despite the fact that everybody I know thought Ceedee Lamb
blew the game. Okay, despite the fact that Ceedee Lamb,
there's video of him when he got back to the Star,
he's out on the field by himself catching balls off
a jugs machine.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Why because he.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Sitting there trying to tell us he actually played well,
because he had a bunch of targets, Like what, how
does that work?
Speaker 3 (18:08):
You know?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
So, but again the problem is in the delivery, and
the problem is in the Sometimes you gotta let trigger
or the guy who is the writer or is the insider,
be the insider and tell you where that where's that
opinion come from? Well it comes from you know, I'm
watching the game, like, okay, Well I can tell you
having been a form of you can say it without
saying it. He can say having been a form of player.
(18:31):
I mean, all I can tell you is every form
of player is going to tell you he didn't play
well because when called upon in the most important part
of the game, he blew it. That's actually an interesting discussion. Again,
the problem is in Ryan Clark does not have any
positive equity right now and in his delivery, which is
just so condescending.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Fair.
Speaker 6 (18:54):
Yeah, yeah, I just think that it's like, it just
tells me that you're not very sophisticated when you go
to the you didn't play card.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Well, look again, I'm gonna disagree with you on this part.
Like most guys that played, you know, it's it's the
Mina Kimes.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
I just tell you.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
I talk to people in the in the NFL, and
they always they always want to bring up Mena Kimes.
And the thing about Mena Kimes is it's not just
she like she's literally never played football. So there's so
many subtle nuances to sports. Again, when you're talking subtle nuances,
it's really hard for people who were at who were
actually players to accept the opinion of people who are
not players or coaches.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
That's the reality. And I think it is a good discussion.
Speaker 6 (19:38):
I think we're talking about two separate things. Like I
specifically said in my argument, you can think that you
just can't say it, like the lack of professionalism is
saying what he thinks in this moment, he disregarded his
teammate or his partner on live TV. That's the questionable judgment.
I like, like I said, I have no doubt. Like
(20:01):
I said to you, I'm sure you have suppressed it
a million times. Oh yeah on your daily show when
you used to do analysts work.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Yeah, you just you can't be condescending like that.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
That's you know, there's a way to say the exact
same thing, to even say it and not be as
condescending as he was.
Speaker 6 (20:17):
And that kind of goes into what I'm saying, like
be more sophisticated about it. But it did give a
great SoundBite from the weekend. Kyle Brandt used to do
this with Peter Schrager. He opened up his I think
NFL Network does a pregame show and he had this
to say.
Speaker 8 (20:32):
It's great to see you, and it's great to see
everybody around the country today working there, especially on set
in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
And a special shout out to the non players today.
Speaker 6 (20:40):
We see you, we respect you on our set and
on several others in the meantime.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
League is great.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
He's so good.
Speaker 6 (20:49):
Shout out to the non players. So my second item
today is the Los Angeles Dodgers. I'm going to use
this analogy and the last time I used it in
mixed company, somebody who isn't who's like of a I
guess you would say Supervisor Role called me on it
because he had a drunk father and it was insensitive.
(21:12):
So if anybody out there has like a drunk father
that has abused you or ruined your family or your mom,
I'm not saying this to be a glib. I'm saying
it because I actually believe it. Being a Dodger fan
is like having a drunk father. You never know what
guy's going to walk through the door that night, and
(21:34):
just the fear that the wrong guy is going to
walk in the door torments you. So we are living
in a daily torment because even if a good guy
should walk through the door, a sober guy, you had
to spend most of the day worried that the wrong
guy was going to walk through the door. The Dodgers
have taken no hitters into the ninth inning two out
(21:55):
of the last three games. They miraculously found a way
to win theirs last night after giving up a hit.
They gave up the maybe the worst loss in recent
Dodger memory on Saturday. But inconsistency, I mean, if i'm
if I'm like a pirates fan, or a Marlins fan.
I could wake up every morning thinking, you know, my
(22:17):
team sucks, but I love them and I don't expect anything.
So when they do nice things, it's great. The Dodgers
have the most expensive team, the most talented team. It
should not be this inconsistent. It should not torment its
fans with which team is going to show up tonight?
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Yeah, I feel for you. I was supposed to go
to that game, and then I had taken earlier flight out.
I'm partially glad I didn't, but partially glad I did so.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
But at least they won. At least they won.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
I'm not offended by the I do think you could
use the box of chocolates.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
It's a little bit softer.
Speaker 6 (22:58):
Yeah, yeah, I know. I'm not. I'm using not into
the softer choice, but you're right, that would have been
a little bit more nice. Radio Tyreek Hill, I'm just
gonna put this quickly. He's been accused of many instances
of domestic violence by his ex wife. I understand these.
This is a one sided accusation. One sided accusations and
(23:19):
a divorce lawsuit that always gets heavy. But does anybody
listening to this podcast not fully believe that Tyreek Hill
did these things to this woman given his history. And
that's what annoys me that you read the accusations and
most of the time you'd be like, Wow, this must
be a jilted woman. But then you're like, oh no,
(23:41):
it's Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Yeah, then you're saying Derek Hill. Tyreek Hill is with
I mean again, there's another guy no positive equity, especially
with women. And you know, we have audio recordings of
him previously. Unfortunately, he was representing my alma mater when
he got first got in trouble at a university, and
(24:08):
there's a little bit of Tyson Zone. There's a little
bit of Tyson zone to it in that there's not
an accusation about him you wouldn't believe to be true, right,
you just wouldn't. So yeah, I think unfortunately, in the
court of public opinion, he's guilty until proven innocent.
Speaker 6 (24:25):
So I got Tyreek Hill, who seems to be on
the list twice a week, the whole Peter Schegger Ryan
Clark thing, and then the Dodgers are drunk dead.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Yeah, you just want to get the Dodgers one because
it doesn't come anywhere close.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
To the other two. I'm gonna go with Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
I mean, Ryan Clark's taking a good beating, rightfully so,
but I think Tyreek Hill and the annoyance of the
fact that, you know, he seems to be a distraction
on and off the field. Now it's getting to that point.
So Tyreek Hill, why are.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
We doing this?
Speaker 3 (25:01):
I do.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Because we can.
Speaker 6 (25:07):
Now, Doug, you and Bayer and Sam all know who
Trent Bray is. You could probably give me his resume.
Until the SoundBite. I did not know who Trent Bray was.
That's my full transparency here. He is the head coach
of the Oregon State Beavers. He was on live TV. Yeah,
live TV, Doug. It was a after half interview or something. Yeah,
(25:30):
we're fine.
Speaker 10 (25:30):
I mean we've we've allowed ourselves to create their success
both in special teams fucking joke, right, and then on
big plays on defense, two long runs for touchdowns that
shouldn't exist. They did nothing to harm us. We got
to stop killing ourselves.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
So good. Hey, dude, you know you're on live TV.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Now, why good blame were you? Because we can't. That's
it for the end of Boats podcast. I got the
radio show every day three to five Eastern twelve to pacifics,
Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio APP.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
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