September 26, 2025 • 26 mins
Doug riffs about the college football weekend. Doug reacts to Mike Florio's take on legalized gambling and the NFL. Doug chooses among deserving candidates Jason Stewart deems as most annoying today. Plus, Jaxon Smith-Njigba makes today's installment of "Because We Can".
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Heres in
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
It's in the bonus. You're on Fox Sports Radio. Welcome in.
So I don't know how to say this, but man,
we have the most awesome college. This is a weekend
where like the weather is still really good in most
areas and I don't know why you would actually go outside.
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That's my honest feeling. Right Like, tonight we'll get a
chance to see Florida State on the road against Virginia.
That that doesn't mean it's the seven point line, doesn't
mean Virginia is good. Virginia is a team that they
smoke Stanford, who's you know, interim coach, lost to NC
State and this is their first this is their biggest
game of the year. But again, it's a chance to
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see this Florida Steed team and if they're for real
being Alabama. Week one, TCU takes on Arizona State. That's
this week, Houston takes on Oregon State. Houston hasn't lost
the game, but they're playing against the windless Oregon State team,
but they're playing on the road. Crazy things happen got
Notre Dame, Arkansas, USC Illinois, and then of course you
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start to work down to LSU and Old Miss Auburn
and A and M who Ohio State on the road
against Washington, Tennessee, Mississippi State, Arizona, who's undefeated taken on
Iowa State. Of course you got Oregon Penn State at
gigantic game, and then late you have Bama Georgia and
BYU at Colorado. This is a weekend or a Saturday
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where I don't think you actually ever need to leave
the couch. Would I would, I would bone up with supplies.
I would get everything done early. You know, if your
wife or girlfriend needs something, get it done early, and
then I command that you're on the couch. The thing
that is awesome is that it's not the end of
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the world if you lose. If you're Penn State or Oregon,
or Alabama or Georgia, although Alabama's getting closer to it,
you probably can with stand two doubtful three, but maybe
three losses. I'm not sure. But uh, and so it does.
It doesn't like, oh man, is your season dead if
you lose. No, And a lot of these guys are
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new to their to their respective university, so it doesn't
hurt them as much when they lose, but it does
allow for coaches to be less tight and call a
game and maybe go for it at the end of
regulation instead of playing in overtime. But this is a
weekend that determines so much in college football. All weekends
look like that, and next weekend may be bigger because
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a team that wins this week may collapse and spit
the bit next weekend. But god, this is I mean,
I got like ten big time football games.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
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Speaker 2 (03:07):
Let's get to the Fox Says and now say, here's
Colin Cowhert. Oh, by the way, what does Fox say?
Where we used sound from another Fox Sports Radio Fox
Sports One show and it triggers kind of a bigger discussion.
Here's Colin Cowhert, host of The Hurt, talking about Russell
Wilson and the debate whether or not he's in the
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Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
There was a big debate this week when he got benched.
Is he a Hall of Famer? And I tend to
think when you have a career that ends poorly, you
had to be unbelievable in the meat of it. And
Aaron Rodgers it may not end well, but for like
eleven years, there was a sense he was the best
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quarterback in the league and he was putting up those.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Kind of numbers.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
There was about eight years with Russell. He was really good.
But Aaron didn't have that kind of run game. Aaron
didn't have that kind of defense. Could argue Aaron didn't
have that kind of coaching. Aaron didn't have that kind
of twelfth man like Seattle.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
That roster.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
That roster in Seattle for about five years was like
a notch above the second best roster in the league.
Aaron's never had that. So Aaron's you know, in Green Bay,
where you don't have a lot of free agents. The
coach Mike McCarthy wasn't beloved. He never had great run games,
with the exception of the one year he won a
Super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (04:25):
Aaron didn't have a.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Lot of great defenses. Russ had all of it. And
so when it comes to Hall of Fame, I have
to think about that. In your prime, what were you
surrounded by. Russ had an All Star Team. It's like
a little bit like Jalen Hurts. Like Jalen Hurts in
his prime is surrounded with a completely stacked roster. And
if we look in eight, ten, nine, eleven years with
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Jalen Hurts and we consider the you know, the totality
of his career as a Hall of Famer, what was
he surrounded by in his prime?
Speaker 2 (04:55):
It's a great point in terms of Jalen Hurts, right,
Jalen Hurts and Russ Wilson very much the same guys.
I would say that Russell Wilson wasn't beloved by his
own teammates when they won. That said, Russell Wilson's gonna
be a Hall of Famer again. You know, I do
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think that the last couple of years did him some harm.
But he's going to be a Hall of Famer. I mean,
who are we kidding, right, Eli is He's gonna be one.
And I also think that this is one of the
things that I don't know if it keeps him from TV.
But having Richard Sherman, a former teammate who's not a
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who's not an avid supporter of him, that doesn't help,
but also proves he's not gonna be doing Amazon. That
element of it is fascinating. There's not a guy who
I've ever played with, and I haven't always played well,
I haven't always been the world's greatest teammate or anything,
but there's not a guy I played with that wouldn't
you know, if they were on TV, wouldn't say he
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was awesome to play with, right, because the heart of
how I played, much like a quarterback, is trying to
get others, trying to get the best out of others.
I just I'm stunned at at the lack of overall
support he gets from former players, including former teammates. Here's
Jonas Knox, Pretty Quinn and LeVar Arrington talking about you
Door Sanders saying he's ready to start in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Now this really bugs me, and I don't know why.
Speaker 7 (06:25):
I don't know, you know why, because what does this
remind you of? Because it reminds me of something that
happened in the NBA, and then we got to see
how that played out, and that was Lebron talking about
Bronni and saying how he thought he'd be better than
a lot of guys in the NBA, Like he.
Speaker 6 (06:41):
Was like, he's better than them today he's in high school. Yeah,
I remember that, yeah today, and that's starting in the
NBA today.
Speaker 7 (06:50):
That's what triggered in my memory was when someone says
something like that, and like, all right, I mean, look,
here's the deal, Shador will probably get the chance to
play this show, get the chance to prove that.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Now.
Speaker 7 (07:01):
The problem is if you look at the preseason as
an example, you know, he had one one good preseason game,
and then everyone else wanted to blame who he was
playing around or playing with as to the poor performance
that he had, you know, after that, when in reality,
like that's what you get in the preseason, like you're
playing with threes, you're playing with twos. You're not always
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playing with the ones.
Speaker 6 (07:24):
Unless there is catastrophic happenings that take place.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
You know.
Speaker 6 (07:29):
What's what's interesting In most cases, if you're a third
string quarterback and the first string quarterback goes down, you'll
bring in your second string quarterback. But you're awesome, you're
also looking for someone on the mark.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Uh. That's that's that's that's true as well. I mean, look,
I don't know what he's supposed to say, but not
what he said, which is I look around the NFL now,
and I think I can do better than some of
these guys are doing. Like I just he keeps doing
it and he can't help himself. He had a really
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rough couple of weeks here, right, Brown's with a comeback
win without him, Well, you didn't play like Flacco knows
what he's doing on some level. Granted, the block kick
was a huge part of it, but also the operation
which getting them lined up for the late field goal
is part of it as well. But you know his
dad saying he didn't want a couple of teams to
draft him. It paints a clear picture with but between
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how shoud Or acted and what his dad told people,
like that's why he ended up where he ended up.
In addition to the fact that while he's got some talents,
just so arrogant and thinks he knows things that he
clearly doesn't know. And then I also think there's an
underlying thing there where we're told he worked with Tom Brady,
We've now been told that Tom Brady has not only
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access to the Raiders, but he has a kind of
a seat at the table in terms of its making.
And in nowhere did the Raiders, who need an air
apparent quarterback, want to draft Shador Sanders. These are all
like warning signs, all of them. All of them are
warning signs. So I and then you know with these comments,
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the only thing you should be saying when you're a
third string quarterback is man, am I learning a lot?
And if I ever get a chance to put some
of the stuff that I'm learning from Joe and from
all this film study, I can't wait. I am excited,
but I just I learn every single day. That's it.
But he can't help himself, even when he's trying to
sound humble. I don't know about you, Jay stew but
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he said, well, it's I know I can be doing better,
but it's not God's plan. Like do we really think
that God sitting up there going like, all right, I
get these wars, I got these people being bombed in
this people and all this other stuff. Wait what Yeah,
I know Schdor can play, but it's just not I play.
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I got a bigger plan. I'll get back to you later,
Like what are we doing?
Speaker 5 (10:04):
I have a it's it's it's part of my You're annoying,
so if we can we'll just move it up. Well,
you know the good thing about the podcast is that
we're not a slave to the format. You know, we
can mix it up. Nobody, nobody's going to hold us
accountable if we go out of turn here. So I'm
gonna look to Sam and be like, hey, could you
play that Shador Sanders sound for us?
Speaker 6 (10:25):
Thanks.
Speaker 8 (10:26):
He had a great quote where he says, you don't
learn anything I've never said on the bench and said
I learned a lot today.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
You agree with him on man, what are you talking?
Speaker 8 (10:34):
He said that every respecting respect and so you know
that's not there's not nothing. You know, I'm a place
to answer. You know that's nothing I can't answer, not answer.
But I know for sure I'm not I know if
you see the quarterback play in the league right now,
I know I know I'm capable of doing better than that.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
So I don't blame the reporters for asking him questions.
It's their job. He's a famous person. I don't blame
even Shaduur for being who he is. We all know
who he is, and that's why reporters want to go
to him for questions because they'll get clicks on his answers.
I blame the Browns, as you are very much involved
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in this. You have a media relations staff, I'm sure
a communications staff that keeps things away from you. Every
single team has a media relations staff that is at
least four deep, that keeps reporters away from players. I
don't know why third string quarterbacks are being allowed to
talk to the reporters. That should be like a when
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you walk in the building, Shauduur's off limits. There's no
need to talk to a third a quarterback third on
the depth chart. So I blame the Browns for this
bite even being circulated. I blame the Browns for every
single talk show this morning talking about it. You need
to protect your team from these things. So that was
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my angle on that.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
I love it. I mean, usually, you know, you reports
just want access to anybody, anybody, and then you're you're
gonna let us have access to Shador, and Chador obviously doesn't.
I don't want to say it takes the bait, but
he clearly wants to be heard, and then he just
keeps saying such young, immature stuff. What else is annoying you?
Speaker 5 (12:20):
No, I want to go to the third What does
the Fox say today? It's one of my favorite ones
in a while.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Okay, let's do that. This is Mike Florio and Dan Patrick.
They had this exchange, but the Eagles covering the spread
with their blocked kick return for a touchdown on Sunday.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
Here's the reality.
Speaker 9 (12:36):
This is the direct result of the NFL going from
hating and shunning anything to do with gambling to jumping
right in bed and loading the pockets. They're the guy
in the you know the old game show where you
go into the booth where the money's flying everywhere. They're
just grabbing as many dollars as they can while it's there.
But yeah, we're all aware now of the point spread.
We're all aware of the ramifications and how many millions
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of dollars changed hands because Jordan Davis decided to do
not the smart thing, the smart thing.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
The game's over, Just fall down.
Speaker 9 (13:09):
You got the win because in theory, somebody comes up
from behind, does the don biebe to leon, Let the
ball goes out, the rams take the other way. The
smart thing to do is go down. He runs it
in for a touchdown. The Eagles cover. Oh and it
was perfectly legitimate. But when you open Pandora's box, this
is the kind of stuff that flies out and people
are aware of this, so it's just part of the
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stuff the NFL needs to be concerned about, and sometimes
I under dan, are they as concerned as they should be?
Speaker 3 (13:35):
What change though with Roger Goodell? Because everybody was against
gambling and then all of a sudden something changed.
Speaker 9 (13:42):
Well, they were holding the rope as tightly as they
could against gambling when different states were trying to challenge
the federal law from nineteen ninety two that basically said
no states other than the states that currently have it
Nevada can have sports wagering, and that became different levels
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and types of legal challenges until New Jersey finally won.
But back in the days when the NFL was actively
fighting it, that's when the commissioner would say, for example,
when I'm paraphrasing, but if legalized gambling is widespread, normal
incidents of the game will be suspected to have been
influenced by other things, like you know, whether it's a
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bad call or a guy not going down, when basic
football expectations would be you've won the game, go down,
But the normal incident of the game become fodder for
the fixes in.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
I actually thought the last part that Florio said was brilliant, right,
which is the It's not the impropriety, it's the appearance
of potential for impropriety. The normal. Like again, we can
sit there and go what Jordan Devi should have done.
But if you pick up if you pick up a
ball at the end of a game and you want
to run it back for a touchdown, you'd do it too, right.
And he's a big defensive lineman. They're not. They're supposed
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to be thinking time and scoring situation. They're tackle football,
get football, score football.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
That that that's my take, by the way, I think
that there's a there's a lot of credit that needs
to be given to Florio in this now, Mike Florio,
because we.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Usually I usually am bothered by Florio. I actually thought
he was brilliant in this particular aspect.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
Okay, I don't know the reasons why you've been bothered
with Fourio, but my reasons have been this, he's very
much a victim of his algorithm. He's very much uh
supported the woke agenda over the past five years. So
I don't I don't even I don't believe in his policy.
I don't I don't agree with his politics, and a
lot of his angles are based on that those politics,
so that's kind of that's weird. But I will give
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him credit for this. He probably makes a lot of
money for those hits on Sunday nights. He's putting that
at stake when he says these things about the NFL.
I mean, he's he's basically taking Goodell to task or
for something that is potentially very serious, which is the
fabric of your sport is being considered when these weird
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things happen on a field. I mean, I've said I've
given you my Zeropa theory a million times, but as
part of my zeropath theory is that the quality of
play in the NFL has declined steadily and the NFL
doesn't care about it because you're going to be paying.
But like the nefarious reason for the lack or the
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declining quality of the NFL is that the game might
be compromised, Like is this what a game looks like
if an officials on the take, if a quarterback's on
the take, if a coordinators on the take? Is this
what is this kind of shitty football? What the result
is of a compromised game by gambling? And Florio's bringing
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these things to the attention of a lot of people
and an NBC and by extension, NFL, it pays him
a lot of money to be to as a rights
holder on Sunday nights. I think it shows amazing guts
for him to say those I do too.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
I also thought he artfully worded it where he didn't
say the fixes and it's the again, it's the appearance
of it and and how it looks and how normal
game things had called into question. So I actually thought
that was the brilliant part. Now, my my issues with
Florio are that he's I don't think he's woke. Agenda,
it's very much a player first agenda and NFL and
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he you know, organization, the the powers that be are wrong, right.
And then also you know pro football talk is you know,
all they're doing is aggregating. You know, he's done some
other stuff that's not aggregation, but that was after years
and years of aggregation. That would be Those would be
my two things. That's what the Fox says.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
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Speaker 2 (18:07):
Find Out who are what's annoying, Jason Stewart.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 5 (18:19):
I'm actually surprised to hear you say that. If you've
said it out loud, maybe I just have been paying attention.
I didn't know that you you think Russell Wilson's still
going to go into the Hall of Fame. You're in
the minority, by the way the voices this week, I
didn't know how many people, ex players and whatnot, were
like standing in line to kick Russell Wilson and the teeth.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeah, til this week. They don't like him.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
Greg Jennings on this on this podcast yesterday says he's
not a Hall of Famer, and then he was asked,
did him not giving the ball to Marshawn Lynch cost
him a Hall of Fame? Bid? And Greg Jennings like,
probably Tony Gonzalez. I know he's a friend of yours,
so you don't have to participate in this. Tony Gonzalez
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is awful as an NFL analyst. He's on his third job.
Somehow he's still getting paid a lot of money. He
should very much, thank thank the gods. Every time he
looks in his bank account and he sees that auto
deposit from Amazon. He's on his third and last job
because he doesn't say anything. He looks good, He's always
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looked good, but he he it's just complete emptiness when
it comes out of his mouth. That's why I was
surprised last night. This shows you the depths of Russell
Wilson's camaraderie. Like he never, I guess, made a never
made an attempt to get to know his teammates or
his fellow players or whatever. So Tony Gonzalez, who never
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has shit to say about anything and he's just coasting
collecting checks, said this last night.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Do you think we've seen the last of Russell Wilson?
Speaker 10 (19:54):
Honestly, I hope we have. And I say that because
I just looking at him and his career, his legacy.
Like you talked about, if ever there was somebody who
played himself out of a Hall.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
Of fame, it's Russell Wilson.
Speaker 10 (20:08):
And I say that because look at what he's what's
happened ever since he left Seattle. When he was in Seattle,
he was the man. He was making these good plays.
Speaker 6 (20:13):
He won a super win, the two of them.
Speaker 10 (20:15):
But as soon as he left there, he went the
dinverse on that big old deal. They paid him thirty
nine million dollars to leave. He goes to Pittsburgh, playser
one year, he's out of there, and now he goes
here and has three games. I just don't know if
it's gonna get any better. And I don't want to
see him on a sideline holding a clipboard.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
So what you're what that he it's the first time
you've ever heard Tony ginzaal say anything. Tonys Alas actually
said something previously. I'm telling you what this is is
those guys standing around, sitting around in the in the
trailer talking about it, and Tony's sort of absorbing it
because I actually think Tony wants to say stuff, but
then he doesn't. He doesn't want to deal with the ramifications.
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He says kind of obvious stuff, and I think that's
kind of an obvious thing. It's like, oh, well he
played his way out, like that's what. That's again, very
very normal, whereas mine is a little bit more nuanced.
It's it's like Eli Manning. Like Eli Manning won two
Super Bowls, he had plenty of subpar years after there.
You know, now he stayed on one team, so it
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wasn't made as obvious. But but he did. You know,
there was a year in which he couldn't stop from
the boulevard. I love that Eli Manning. One time I
heard him on New York radio saying like, do you
really think I'm a worse quarterback than I wasn't won
the Super Bowl? And even though it's your production which
is calling the question, who you have around you and
some of the other factors, I just I'm telling you
of you look around the NFL, if you look around
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the Hall of Fame, there's plenty of guys that are really,
really good and they got in, and he was in
and won a super Bowl, and he you know, it's
like Telesco when he was he was on with US
earlier this week, like he's not somebody who his question
Russell Russell Wilson. So yeah, I still think he's going
to be in the.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
So this is the day that that I talk about
former ex athletes or ex athletes who have nothing to
say on TV. My next example is Drew Brees. He
failed miserably. NBC was obviously so bored by what he
had said on the air, they gave they gave him
a two or three year deal and then didn't extend him.
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He has this, I think a regular thing now on
first take, like he was on Fox on Sunday doing
the Sunday shows, and I think everybody in the industry
who works in the industry knows what that is. It's
his agent very much is listening to Drew saying I
want to be on TV, I want to collect checks.
So he goes on First Take this week and he
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said this about the Eagles.
Speaker 7 (22:50):
Hey, I respectfully, I respectfully, they are winning games, They're
finding way to win games. I can't stand to watch
that offense as well as the most boring offense.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
So you have a Hall of Fame quarterback soon to
be a Hall of Fame quarterback who led a very
exciting offense saying that he can't stand watching the Eagles offense.
That's amazing, that's great insight like that, that's like very compelling.
The problem is I wish I wish I knew it
was genuine, because everything Drew has put on tape broadcast
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wise up to now has been like very bland, boring,
as you say, obvious, doesn't want to ruffle feathers. So
is this a new Drew Brees that is actually going
to say what he feels or is it somebody in
his ear saying if you want to keep getting checks
for broadcasting, you need to say inflammatory things. And at
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that point it's not genuine and I don't respect that.
So I guess the jury's out on Drew Brees.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Uh yeah, I mean I actually think I've heard Tony
Gonzalez do that before as well, where you say things,
but this is where it lacks substance. There's the follow up,
what about the offense? Don't you like? Right? A little
bit of that is on host and a little bit
of that's on Drew in terms of preparation. So you
can show us on video. I'll tell you what I
don't like is this this? And this is just what
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boring because the results not good, boring because they run
the football, boring because they win. There has to be
pushback from whoever the host is. And then Drew can
can you know he made a statement, Now he can
support the statement with why your job is not to
say what your job is say why he's just saying what?
Speaker 5 (24:34):
So I have Drew Brees, Tony Gonzalez and shaduor Sanders today.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Oh, I think Drew Brees in the trying to intentionally
say things to get people all riled up to go like, oh,
Drew Brees, he's got some takes now, yeah. My problem
is there's no substance to it. And I don't blame
simply Drew Brees. I blame who's ever producing and who's
ever the host in doubling back and going like, what
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exactly is boring about it to you, Drew? But for
Drew Brees to come across now as now I'm going
to drop some hot takes, you're a name.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Why are we doing this because we can?
Speaker 5 (25:20):
All right? So since this is an audio only, this
is audio medium. The best part of this was not
what is said, but we'll play what has said. The
best part is that the referee shot him a look
like every child knows this look from their dad after
it happened. So this is I just call him JSN.
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I think Smith is a name in there. I don't
know the other couple names. He's on my fantasy team
js N. Last night on a hot.
Speaker 11 (25:52):
Mic, Jackson Smith and Jigba and we're the guys the broadcasters.
Are they reacting to the hot mic or to the
like the call? No, they were reacting to the look
the referee shot Jason. It was so good Colasso.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Yeah, but I will tell you this about Jackson Smith
and Jigba. How awesome was that play to get out
of bounds at the end of the game. I mean
that was that a great play?
Speaker 5 (26:22):
Or what great throw? Great play?
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Yeah? Everything was good. Well I could play for you
because we can't. That's it for the end of the
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It's in the bonus. You're on Fox Sports Radio. Welcome in.
So I don't know how to say this, but man,
we have the most awesome college. This is a weekend
where like the weather is still really good in most
areas and I don't know why you would actually go outside.
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That's my honest feeling. Right Like, tonight we'll get a
chance to see Florida State on the road against Virginia.
That that doesn't mean it's the seven point line, doesn't
mean Virginia is good. Virginia is a team that they
smoke Stanford, who's you know, interim coach, lost to NC
State and this is their first this is their biggest
game of the year. But again, it's a chance to
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see this Florida Steed team and if they're for real
being Alabama. Week one, TCU takes on Arizona State. That's
this week, Houston takes on Oregon State. Houston hasn't lost
the game, but they're playing against the windless Oregon State team,
but they're playing on the road. Crazy things happen got
Notre Dame, Arkansas, USC Illinois, and then of course you
(01:19):
start to work down to LSU and Old Miss Auburn
and A and M who Ohio State on the road
against Washington, Tennessee, Mississippi State, Arizona, who's undefeated taken on
Iowa State. Of course you got Oregon Penn State at
gigantic game, and then late you have Bama Georgia and
BYU at Colorado. This is a weekend or a Saturday
(01:43):
where I don't think you actually ever need to leave
the couch. Would I would, I would bone up with supplies.
I would get everything done early. You know, if your
wife or girlfriend needs something, get it done early, and
then I command that you're on the couch. The thing
that is awesome is that it's not the end of
(02:06):
the world if you lose. If you're Penn State or Oregon,
or Alabama or Georgia, although Alabama's getting closer to it,
you probably can with stand two doubtful three, but maybe
three losses. I'm not sure. But uh, and so it does.
It doesn't like, oh man, is your season dead if
you lose. No, And a lot of these guys are
(02:27):
new to their to their respective university, so it doesn't
hurt them as much when they lose, but it does
allow for coaches to be less tight and call a
game and maybe go for it at the end of
regulation instead of playing in overtime. But this is a
weekend that determines so much in college football. All weekends
look like that, and next weekend may be bigger because
(02:48):
a team that wins this week may collapse and spit
the bit next weekend. But god, this is I mean,
I got like ten big time football games.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show week he said three pm Eastern noon Pacific on
Fox Sports Radio in the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Let's get to the Fox Says and now say, here's
Colin Cowhert. Oh, by the way, what does Fox say?
Where we used sound from another Fox Sports Radio Fox
Sports One show and it triggers kind of a bigger discussion.
Here's Colin Cowhert, host of The Hurt, talking about Russell
Wilson and the debate whether or not he's in the
(03:27):
Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
There was a big debate this week when he got benched.
Is he a Hall of Famer? And I tend to
think when you have a career that ends poorly, you
had to be unbelievable in the meat of it. And
Aaron Rodgers it may not end well, but for like
eleven years, there was a sense he was the best
(03:50):
quarterback in the league and he was putting up those.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Kind of numbers.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
There was about eight years with Russell. He was really good.
But Aaron didn't have that kind of run game. Aaron
didn't have that kind of defense. Could argue Aaron didn't
have that kind of coaching. Aaron didn't have that kind
of twelfth man like Seattle.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
That roster.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
That roster in Seattle for about five years was like
a notch above the second best roster in the league.
Aaron's never had that. So Aaron's you know, in Green Bay,
where you don't have a lot of free agents. The
coach Mike McCarthy wasn't beloved. He never had great run games,
with the exception of the one year he won a
Super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (04:25):
Aaron didn't have a.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Lot of great defenses. Russ had all of it. And
so when it comes to Hall of Fame, I have
to think about that. In your prime, what were you
surrounded by. Russ had an All Star Team. It's like
a little bit like Jalen Hurts. Like Jalen Hurts in
his prime is surrounded with a completely stacked roster. And
if we look in eight, ten, nine, eleven years with
(04:46):
Jalen Hurts and we consider the you know, the totality
of his career as a Hall of Famer, what was
he surrounded by in his prime?
Speaker 2 (04:55):
It's a great point in terms of Jalen Hurts, right,
Jalen Hurts and Russ Wilson very much the same guys.
I would say that Russell Wilson wasn't beloved by his
own teammates when they won. That said, Russell Wilson's gonna
be a Hall of Famer again. You know, I do
(05:16):
think that the last couple of years did him some harm.
But he's going to be a Hall of Famer. I mean,
who are we kidding, right, Eli is He's gonna be one.
And I also think that this is one of the
things that I don't know if it keeps him from TV.
But having Richard Sherman, a former teammate who's not a
(05:39):
who's not an avid supporter of him, that doesn't help,
but also proves he's not gonna be doing Amazon. That
element of it is fascinating. There's not a guy who
I've ever played with, and I haven't always played well,
I haven't always been the world's greatest teammate or anything,
but there's not a guy I played with that wouldn't
you know, if they were on TV, wouldn't say he
(06:01):
was awesome to play with, right, because the heart of
how I played, much like a quarterback, is trying to
get others, trying to get the best out of others.
I just I'm stunned at at the lack of overall
support he gets from former players, including former teammates. Here's
Jonas Knox, Pretty Quinn and LeVar Arrington talking about you
Door Sanders saying he's ready to start in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Now this really bugs me, and I don't know why.
Speaker 7 (06:25):
I don't know, you know why, because what does this
remind you of? Because it reminds me of something that
happened in the NBA, and then we got to see
how that played out, and that was Lebron talking about
Bronni and saying how he thought he'd be better than
a lot of guys in the NBA, Like he.
Speaker 6 (06:41):
Was like, he's better than them today he's in high school. Yeah,
I remember that, yeah today, and that's starting in the
NBA today.
Speaker 7 (06:50):
That's what triggered in my memory was when someone says
something like that, and like, all right, I mean, look,
here's the deal, Shador will probably get the chance to
play this show, get the chance to prove that.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Now.
Speaker 7 (07:01):
The problem is if you look at the preseason as
an example, you know, he had one one good preseason game,
and then everyone else wanted to blame who he was
playing around or playing with as to the poor performance
that he had, you know, after that, when in reality,
like that's what you get in the preseason, like you're
playing with threes, you're playing with twos. You're not always
(07:21):
playing with the ones.
Speaker 6 (07:24):
Unless there is catastrophic happenings that take place.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
You know.
Speaker 6 (07:29):
What's what's interesting In most cases, if you're a third
string quarterback and the first string quarterback goes down, you'll
bring in your second string quarterback. But you're awesome, you're
also looking for someone on the mark.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Uh. That's that's that's that's true as well. I mean, look,
I don't know what he's supposed to say, but not
what he said, which is I look around the NFL now,
and I think I can do better than some of
these guys are doing. Like I just he keeps doing
it and he can't help himself. He had a really
(08:04):
rough couple of weeks here, right, Brown's with a comeback
win without him, Well, you didn't play like Flacco knows
what he's doing on some level. Granted, the block kick
was a huge part of it, but also the operation
which getting them lined up for the late field goal
is part of it as well. But you know his
dad saying he didn't want a couple of teams to
draft him. It paints a clear picture with but between
(08:27):
how shoud Or acted and what his dad told people,
like that's why he ended up where he ended up.
In addition to the fact that while he's got some talents,
just so arrogant and thinks he knows things that he
clearly doesn't know. And then I also think there's an
underlying thing there where we're told he worked with Tom Brady,
We've now been told that Tom Brady has not only
(08:51):
access to the Raiders, but he has a kind of
a seat at the table in terms of its making.
And in nowhere did the Raiders, who need an air
apparent quarterback, want to draft Shador Sanders. These are all
like warning signs, all of them. All of them are
warning signs. So I and then you know with these comments,
(09:16):
the only thing you should be saying when you're a
third string quarterback is man, am I learning a lot?
And if I ever get a chance to put some
of the stuff that I'm learning from Joe and from
all this film study, I can't wait. I am excited,
but I just I learn every single day. That's it.
But he can't help himself, even when he's trying to
sound humble. I don't know about you, Jay stew but
(09:39):
he said, well, it's I know I can be doing better,
but it's not God's plan. Like do we really think
that God sitting up there going like, all right, I
get these wars, I got these people being bombed in
this people and all this other stuff. Wait what Yeah,
I know Schdor can play, but it's just not I play.
(10:00):
I got a bigger plan. I'll get back to you later,
Like what are we doing?
Speaker 5 (10:04):
I have a it's it's it's part of my You're annoying,
so if we can we'll just move it up. Well,
you know the good thing about the podcast is that
we're not a slave to the format. You know, we
can mix it up. Nobody, nobody's going to hold us
accountable if we go out of turn here. So I'm
gonna look to Sam and be like, hey, could you
play that Shador Sanders sound for us?
Speaker 6 (10:25):
Thanks.
Speaker 8 (10:26):
He had a great quote where he says, you don't
learn anything I've never said on the bench and said
I learned a lot today.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
You agree with him on man, what are you talking?
Speaker 8 (10:34):
He said that every respecting respect and so you know
that's not there's not nothing. You know, I'm a place
to answer. You know that's nothing I can't answer, not answer.
But I know for sure I'm not I know if
you see the quarterback play in the league right now,
I know I know I'm capable of doing better than that.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
So I don't blame the reporters for asking him questions.
It's their job. He's a famous person. I don't blame
even Shaduur for being who he is. We all know
who he is, and that's why reporters want to go
to him for questions because they'll get clicks on his answers.
I blame the Browns, as you are very much involved
(11:16):
in this. You have a media relations staff, I'm sure
a communications staff that keeps things away from you. Every
single team has a media relations staff that is at
least four deep, that keeps reporters away from players. I
don't know why third string quarterbacks are being allowed to
talk to the reporters. That should be like a when
(11:37):
you walk in the building, Shauduur's off limits. There's no
need to talk to a third a quarterback third on
the depth chart. So I blame the Browns for this
bite even being circulated. I blame the Browns for every
single talk show this morning talking about it. You need
to protect your team from these things. So that was
(11:58):
my angle on that.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
I love it. I mean, usually, you know, you reports
just want access to anybody, anybody, and then you're you're
gonna let us have access to Shador, and Chador obviously doesn't.
I don't want to say it takes the bait, but
he clearly wants to be heard, and then he just
keeps saying such young, immature stuff. What else is annoying you?
Speaker 5 (12:20):
No, I want to go to the third What does
the Fox say today? It's one of my favorite ones
in a while.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Okay, let's do that. This is Mike Florio and Dan Patrick.
They had this exchange, but the Eagles covering the spread
with their blocked kick return for a touchdown on Sunday.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
Here's the reality.
Speaker 9 (12:36):
This is the direct result of the NFL going from
hating and shunning anything to do with gambling to jumping
right in bed and loading the pockets. They're the guy
in the you know the old game show where you
go into the booth where the money's flying everywhere. They're
just grabbing as many dollars as they can while it's there.
But yeah, we're all aware now of the point spread.
We're all aware of the ramifications and how many millions
(13:00):
of dollars changed hands because Jordan Davis decided to do
not the smart thing, the smart thing.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
The game's over, Just fall down.
Speaker 9 (13:09):
You got the win because in theory, somebody comes up
from behind, does the don biebe to leon, Let the
ball goes out, the rams take the other way. The
smart thing to do is go down. He runs it
in for a touchdown. The Eagles cover. Oh and it
was perfectly legitimate. But when you open Pandora's box, this
is the kind of stuff that flies out and people
are aware of this, so it's just part of the
(13:30):
stuff the NFL needs to be concerned about, and sometimes
I under dan, are they as concerned as they should be?
Speaker 3 (13:35):
What change though with Roger Goodell? Because everybody was against
gambling and then all of a sudden something changed.
Speaker 9 (13:42):
Well, they were holding the rope as tightly as they
could against gambling when different states were trying to challenge
the federal law from nineteen ninety two that basically said
no states other than the states that currently have it
Nevada can have sports wagering, and that became different levels
(14:02):
and types of legal challenges until New Jersey finally won.
But back in the days when the NFL was actively
fighting it, that's when the commissioner would say, for example,
when I'm paraphrasing, but if legalized gambling is widespread, normal
incidents of the game will be suspected to have been
influenced by other things, like you know, whether it's a
(14:26):
bad call or a guy not going down, when basic
football expectations would be you've won the game, go down,
But the normal incident of the game become fodder for
the fixes in.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
I actually thought the last part that Florio said was brilliant, right,
which is the It's not the impropriety, it's the appearance
of potential for impropriety. The normal. Like again, we can
sit there and go what Jordan Devi should have done.
But if you pick up if you pick up a
ball at the end of a game and you want
to run it back for a touchdown, you'd do it too, right.
And he's a big defensive lineman. They're not. They're supposed
(15:00):
to be thinking time and scoring situation. They're tackle football,
get football, score football.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
That that that's my take, by the way, I think
that there's a there's a lot of credit that needs
to be given to Florio in this now, Mike Florio,
because we.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Usually I usually am bothered by Florio. I actually thought
he was brilliant in this particular aspect.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
Okay, I don't know the reasons why you've been bothered
with Fourio, but my reasons have been this, he's very
much a victim of his algorithm. He's very much uh
supported the woke agenda over the past five years. So
I don't I don't even I don't believe in his policy.
I don't I don't agree with his politics, and a
lot of his angles are based on that those politics,
so that's kind of that's weird. But I will give
(15:47):
him credit for this. He probably makes a lot of
money for those hits on Sunday nights. He's putting that
at stake when he says these things about the NFL.
I mean, he's he's basically taking Goodell to task or
for something that is potentially very serious, which is the
fabric of your sport is being considered when these weird
(16:09):
things happen on a field. I mean, I've said I've
given you my Zeropa theory a million times, but as
part of my zeropath theory is that the quality of
play in the NFL has declined steadily and the NFL
doesn't care about it because you're going to be paying.
But like the nefarious reason for the lack or the
(16:32):
declining quality of the NFL is that the game might
be compromised, Like is this what a game looks like
if an officials on the take, if a quarterback's on
the take, if a coordinators on the take? Is this
what is this kind of shitty football? What the result
is of a compromised game by gambling? And Florio's bringing
(16:53):
these things to the attention of a lot of people
and an NBC and by extension, NFL, it pays him
a lot of money to be to as a rights
holder on Sunday nights. I think it shows amazing guts
for him to say those I do too.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
I also thought he artfully worded it where he didn't
say the fixes and it's the again, it's the appearance
of it and and how it looks and how normal
game things had called into question. So I actually thought
that was the brilliant part. Now, my my issues with
Florio are that he's I don't think he's woke. Agenda,
it's very much a player first agenda and NFL and
(17:34):
he you know, organization, the the powers that be are wrong, right.
And then also you know pro football talk is you know,
all they're doing is aggregating. You know, he's done some
other stuff that's not aggregation, but that was after years
and years of aggregation. That would be Those would be
my two things. That's what the Fox says.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show week he said three pm Eastern noon Pacific on
Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Find Out who are what's annoying, Jason Stewart.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 5 (18:19):
I'm actually surprised to hear you say that. If you've
said it out loud, maybe I just have been paying attention.
I didn't know that you you think Russell Wilson's still
going to go into the Hall of Fame. You're in
the minority, by the way the voices this week, I
didn't know how many people, ex players and whatnot, were
like standing in line to kick Russell Wilson and the teeth.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeah, til this week. They don't like him.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
Greg Jennings on this on this podcast yesterday says he's
not a Hall of Famer, and then he was asked,
did him not giving the ball to Marshawn Lynch cost
him a Hall of Fame? Bid? And Greg Jennings like,
probably Tony Gonzalez. I know he's a friend of yours,
so you don't have to participate in this. Tony Gonzalez
(19:03):
is awful as an NFL analyst. He's on his third job.
Somehow he's still getting paid a lot of money. He
should very much, thank thank the gods. Every time he
looks in his bank account and he sees that auto
deposit from Amazon. He's on his third and last job
because he doesn't say anything. He looks good, He's always
(19:24):
looked good, but he he it's just complete emptiness when
it comes out of his mouth. That's why I was
surprised last night. This shows you the depths of Russell
Wilson's camaraderie. Like he never, I guess, made a never
made an attempt to get to know his teammates or
his fellow players or whatever. So Tony Gonzalez, who never
(19:46):
has shit to say about anything and he's just coasting
collecting checks, said this last night.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Do you think we've seen the last of Russell Wilson?
Speaker 10 (19:54):
Honestly, I hope we have. And I say that because
I just looking at him and his career, his legacy.
Like you talked about, if ever there was somebody who
played himself out of a Hall.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
Of fame, it's Russell Wilson.
Speaker 10 (20:08):
And I say that because look at what he's what's
happened ever since he left Seattle. When he was in Seattle,
he was the man. He was making these good plays.
Speaker 6 (20:13):
He won a super win, the two of them.
Speaker 10 (20:15):
But as soon as he left there, he went the
dinverse on that big old deal. They paid him thirty
nine million dollars to leave. He goes to Pittsburgh, playser
one year, he's out of there, and now he goes
here and has three games. I just don't know if
it's gonna get any better. And I don't want to
see him on a sideline holding a clipboard.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
So what you're what that he it's the first time
you've ever heard Tony ginzaal say anything. Tonys Alas actually
said something previously. I'm telling you what this is is
those guys standing around, sitting around in the in the
trailer talking about it, and Tony's sort of absorbing it
because I actually think Tony wants to say stuff, but
then he doesn't. He doesn't want to deal with the ramifications.
(20:56):
He says kind of obvious stuff, and I think that's
kind of an obvious thing. It's like, oh, well he
played his way out, like that's what. That's again, very
very normal, whereas mine is a little bit more nuanced.
It's it's like Eli Manning. Like Eli Manning won two
Super Bowls, he had plenty of subpar years after there.
You know, now he stayed on one team, so it
(21:18):
wasn't made as obvious. But but he did. You know,
there was a year in which he couldn't stop from
the boulevard. I love that Eli Manning. One time I
heard him on New York radio saying like, do you
really think I'm a worse quarterback than I wasn't won
the Super Bowl? And even though it's your production which
is calling the question, who you have around you and
some of the other factors, I just I'm telling you
of you look around the NFL, if you look around
(21:42):
the Hall of Fame, there's plenty of guys that are really,
really good and they got in, and he was in
and won a super Bowl, and he you know, it's
like Telesco when he was he was on with US
earlier this week, like he's not somebody who his question
Russell Russell Wilson. So yeah, I still think he's going
to be in the.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
So this is the day that that I talk about
former ex athletes or ex athletes who have nothing to
say on TV. My next example is Drew Brees. He
failed miserably. NBC was obviously so bored by what he
had said on the air, they gave they gave him
a two or three year deal and then didn't extend him.
(22:24):
He has this, I think a regular thing now on
first take, like he was on Fox on Sunday doing
the Sunday shows, and I think everybody in the industry
who works in the industry knows what that is. It's
his agent very much is listening to Drew saying I
want to be on TV, I want to collect checks.
So he goes on First Take this week and he
(22:48):
said this about the Eagles.
Speaker 7 (22:50):
Hey, I respectfully, I respectfully, they are winning games, They're
finding way to win games. I can't stand to watch
that offense as well as the most boring offense.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
So you have a Hall of Fame quarterback soon to
be a Hall of Fame quarterback who led a very
exciting offense saying that he can't stand watching the Eagles offense.
That's amazing, that's great insight like that, that's like very compelling.
The problem is I wish I wish I knew it
was genuine, because everything Drew has put on tape broadcast
(23:24):
wise up to now has been like very bland, boring,
as you say, obvious, doesn't want to ruffle feathers. So
is this a new Drew Brees that is actually going
to say what he feels or is it somebody in
his ear saying if you want to keep getting checks
for broadcasting, you need to say inflammatory things. And at
(23:45):
that point it's not genuine and I don't respect that.
So I guess the jury's out on Drew Brees.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Uh yeah, I mean I actually think I've heard Tony
Gonzalez do that before as well, where you say things,
but this is where it lacks substance. There's the follow up,
what about the offense? Don't you like? Right? A little
bit of that is on host and a little bit
of that's on Drew in terms of preparation. So you
can show us on video. I'll tell you what I
don't like is this this? And this is just what
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boring because the results not good, boring because they run
the football, boring because they win. There has to be
pushback from whoever the host is. And then Drew can
can you know he made a statement, Now he can
support the statement with why your job is not to
say what your job is say why he's just saying what?
Speaker 5 (24:34):
So I have Drew Brees, Tony Gonzalez and shaduor Sanders today.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Oh, I think Drew Brees in the trying to intentionally
say things to get people all riled up to go like, oh,
Drew Brees, he's got some takes now, yeah. My problem
is there's no substance to it. And I don't blame
simply Drew Brees. I blame who's ever producing and who's
ever the host in doubling back and going like, what
(25:01):
exactly is boring about it to you, Drew? But for
Drew Brees to come across now as now I'm going
to drop some hot takes, you're a name.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Why are we doing this because we can?
Speaker 5 (25:20):
All right? So since this is an audio only, this
is audio medium. The best part of this was not
what is said, but we'll play what has said. The
best part is that the referee shot him a look
like every child knows this look from their dad after
it happened. So this is I just call him JSN.
(25:42):
I think Smith is a name in there. I don't
know the other couple names. He's on my fantasy team
js N. Last night on a hot.
Speaker 11 (25:52):
Mic, Jackson Smith and Jigba and we're the guys the broadcasters.
Are they reacting to the hot mic or to the
like the call? No, they were reacting to the look
the referee shot Jason. It was so good Colasso.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Yeah, but I will tell you this about Jackson Smith
and Jigba. How awesome was that play to get out
of bounds at the end of the game. I mean
that was that a great play?
Speaker 5 (26:22):
Or what great throw? Great play?
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Yeah? Everything was good. Well I could play for you
because we can't. That's it for the end of the
Bonus Podcast. Check out the radio show three to five
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