October 8, 2025 • 24 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show Years in
the bonus with Doug gottlie.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
What up Doug Gottlieb Show in the Bonus Fox Sports Radio,
iHeartRadio A welcome in m hmmm. So, uh, this is
the year for this is this is the time for
preseason poles in college basketball and it's it's always it's
again new experiences being on the inside I want to
(00:34):
share with you. So the Horizon League pole came out
and my team was picked dead last by a good amount.
And what's crazy about it is my best returning player,
Marcus Hall, was picked first team All League. Now what
that must say? That says to me? First of all,
I mean again, we're voting and I got to vote too,
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and uh, it's it's like SIDS writers. I don't know
what the compilation is. It's really interesting. But it would
make no sense that the best player on what you've
picked as the worst team would be first team All
League when there's eleven teams. That's not going to happen, right,
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And Marcus is tremendous and he's going to have a
big year. And so I don't make many guarantees. I
guarantee this. We're not going to finish last. We're not.
I have a pretty good feel for who I do
think would be bottom of the league. But again, I'll
let it play out. Everybody has a brand new team,
minds new ish but not brand new, and we feel
pretty good about where we are. We'd be very good
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about where we're going. But it's always interesting to sit
there and go like, look, if I had had the
job for ten years and I've won a bunch and
then you pick me last, well, then I just I
just again use it as motivation, which we will. But
the other part to it, which is fascinating is because
we only have one year in the books, well have
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one year in the books, that it makes it look
to the outsider as if maybe we don't know what
we're doing. When we revamped the roster, vamped the coaching staff,
we have a If we end up finishing in the
last couple spots, the league is awesome because this team
compared to last year's team, is far more talented, will
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be far better coach, will be far better prepared, will
be better. But I want this on the record on
the Doug Gottlieb Show. We'll do it on all ball
as well on It's great fuel. I know no one
knows about anybody's team because everybody's new, and you recruit
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guys that are junior college guys, D two, D three guys.
I got it. I hear you. But I also know
that there's an energy out there to think that we're
going to fail and we will not, So I guess
this is just a watch us thing.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
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Speaker 2 (03:13):
Let's get to the Foxes and Now every day at
this time the Doug Gottlieb Show. In the Bonus Podcast,
we we share with you a thought or a rant,
or an argument or something previously today on Fox Sports
One or Fox Sports Radio. Here's Dan Patrick from The
Dan Patrick Show talking about baseball's postseason.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
I had a baseball analyst who said, how's baseball and
baseball fans going to react if you have the Blue
Jays and the Mariners playing or you know that, are
we going to be like, oh, what are we doing
with our small market teams here? And I'm like, I
don't know why we get We always come to this
conclusion like, oh, who's gonna watch? Like, I don't care.
(03:59):
You know, it's you're getting to see some good baseball.
You're getting to see some big stars. And if it's Seattle,
it's a great story. Toronto is a great story as well.
I know we love the big markets, but we don't
do that in the NFL. Like green Bay's the smallest market.
If green Bay goes to the Super Bowl, nobody's going
to complain. They're just not And I think we get
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caught up in who's gonna watch. You know, baseball struck
gold last year with the Yankees and Dodgers, even though
it wasn't a competitive World Series. You had the big markets,
the big teams. But all I want to see is
great you know, we get to March madness. I don't know,
do you really care if Butler goes to a championship game,
George Mason goes to the Final four? I think if
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you get good matchups, that's all we're asking for.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Uh yeah, I mean that sounds great, but the reality
is that the non baseball not hardcore baseball fans, and
there are more of them than hardcore baseball fans. I
want to see. The big names want to see, the
big teams want to see the Yankees. Last night was
great for the sport. Again, it doesn't mean that Toronto
beats them in Game four, beats them in Game five
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that they don't deserve to move on. But let's just
be honest, the numbers pay in comparison if the Yankees
are playing as opposed to you know, the Blue Jays
are playing a supposed to the Yankees, and just the
kind of way it is. The Brewers prove over one
hundred and six to two games they're better than the Cups,
and so far through two games they're better than the Cups.
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But in order to win the series, they win the series.
It doesn't make them more popular than the Cubs and
more people, even just fans, are it takes too long
for them to come around. Here's Jonas Knox, Brady Quinn,
LeVar Arrington talking about the branking system for college football.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Well, kind of kick this around, you know earlier in
the year. What are we doing with the preseason rankings now?
Because I wonder if they didn't exist for me, I
would still be as interested as I am. But from
the TV standpoint, when you've got a little number next
to a name, it made it made it a bigger loss, right, well,
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but a bigger game.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
You're you're a winless team, you're owing four, you can't
seem to get it right, you fire your coach, bringing
in new coaches, and you play a top a top
ten rated team. There's no possible way that you could
come to the conclusion that there's an upset that's going
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to take place in that game.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
So well, let me ask you this. If they got
rid of the preseason rankings and they didn't have those anymore,
how many weeks into the season before you would then?
Speaker 6 (06:37):
So just you'd wait for the College Football playff caima.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
I don't think that. I don't think it's a bad idea, honestly, I.
Speaker 6 (06:45):
Really I also think, like, why can't we have the
committee start like Week three, Week four? You've seen four games,
and you don't feel like you can start to put
together a list of what you're thinking about these teams?
Speaker 2 (06:59):
I think, Look, there's lots of good ideas. I would
just I would do this. I would use a college
football analysts poll. That's what I would do. Now, one
thing to be sure of with college footbal analysts is
they will have a much stronger opinion even if you
don't put their names by it about their alma mater
or the league that they played in, So you have
to But I mean, I just anyone is carries some
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form of bias in this voting. But with the College
Fball Playoff Committee, I don't mind what they're doing, but
I do think that the guidance anyone gets from polls
when college coaches don't really vote and the ap pole
is complete waste of time. I think what's missing in
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polling is just do the you know, take the four
biggest name analysts from Fox, you know, two from NBC
to four from ESPN, two from c based upon your
level of investment in the sport. That's, you know, that's
how many sort of votes you get. I would do
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it that way. Here's Nick Wright talking about the Eagles
with Conklherd.
Speaker 7 (08:11):
The Eagles are objectively colin an excellent team. They have
an excellent roster. They have the most expensive offense in
the history of the NFL, and they have a top
five offensive line, a top five running back, top five receivers,
and a really good quarterback. I don't know where you
want to rank him, but which makes it so unfathomable
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that in their last six halves of football they have
either had less than eight yards rushing eight yards passing.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
In three of them.
Speaker 7 (08:47):
Yeah, in the last they've only played how many halves
all year to ten halves all year? And in three
of the last six they have been totally non exists
on one side, you know, in one facet of the game.
And here is why I think it is fair to
be a little concern. It reminds me a bit of
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two years ago when they started ten and one, but
it was so angsty and every game they won, but
it was like yeah, but yeah, but and what that
led to was a historic collapse where they went from
ten and one to losing six of their final seven
and basically giving up in the playoff game.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
I think what Nick points out is sort of what
we've been talking about, which is on so many levels
they should be way better than they are, but something
is missing. It's very easy to say it's the play
color because he's new and he hasn't done it before,
and it may be what it is. But the curious
part is going to be will there be progression, will
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they start to get better, will they start to figure
it out? And again to this point the answer is no.
But whereas you know the Chiefs, for example, who are
in much more dire straits in terms of the record,
The difference with the Chiefs is very simple. This is
a team that had seven point nine yards per play
last game. So obviously the offense is in fact getting better.
(10:18):
That's what the Fox said say.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
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Speaker 2 (10:32):
Let's find out who are What's annoying? Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 8 (10:43):
Hey, Doug. So the guys on NFL on Fox the
Studio show, what is that? Kevin Bernhardt, per Card, Derek Cheter,
David Ortiz and a rot. Now if we go back,
I don't know five days. Something kind of fun happened
with regard to this show and that show, right because
(11:06):
you stopped yourself on live radio nationally and would not
say the word schlittler because you think it's a trap word.
You think it's a trap word for broadcasters trying to
read copy, and it's easy to say something that isn't schlittler.
And then we played from the weekend a Rod stumbling
over his words and saying shitler. We played Mad Dog
(11:28):
Russo on his show saying shitler. Well, they had fun
with that yesterday on the broadcast. And then as Awful
Announcing says, it took a dark turn.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Everything went over. You pronounce his last name, you cut
first Whittler. Oh, well, he's the master schlittler.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Slitler.
Speaker 8 (11:48):
You know, now your turn.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
A right, Let's go to a break, get hit.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yeah it's there, it's apparently there, Rizzuto, but I didn't
know that. We need to go Nazi autumn. But only
Big Poppy can get away with that, right, he can
just go, hey, it's English second language, dude. But that
was actually really funny, although I'll be an uncomfortable, uncomfortable moment.
Speaker 8 (12:17):
Do you get the sentiment behind Burkhart saying let's go
to a break? Yes, there is a there's a very
dicey aspect to using that word on live broadcast. It's
not one of the seven deadly words that you're not
supposed to use, as the FCC points out, but it's
something that just you don't hear on a live broadcast
(12:43):
designated Hitler.
Speaker 9 (12:46):
That of course was a mistake, a verbal gaff.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
But yeah, not not not what Poppy.
Speaker 9 (12:53):
Burkhart's playing the straight man, which he should, and of course,
big Poppy, Yeah, he can get away with that because
it's not Yeah, I know, it's just funny. It's funny
coming out of his mouth. But obviously you don't want
to let that one simmer too long.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Nope, nope, not too long, not too long. What else
annoying you?
Speaker 8 (13:09):
Uh? Well, the Jonathan Gannon situation made this segment yesterday,
and the fact that you're a head coach. I don't
know if it recuses you from this conversation or if
it's an important voice in this conversation. I will say
this your opinion about the Jonathan Gannon situation. And then
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the fine is running about five ninety five. It's not
even like ninety ten. It's five percent of the people
agree with the fine. Ninety five percent of the people
do not. And that ninety five percent has really loud voices.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yeah, ninety five percent have no fucking clue what they're
talking about.
Speaker 8 (13:47):
Well, let me let me no, no.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Let me just let me just stake this again. I
know what you want to get to reset in the conversation.
Forwarding the conversation, the point is, it's not about dressing
down a guy who fumbled as he went into the
end zone and it's one of two plays which catch
the Arizona Cardinals the game. It's not about that. It's
about the fact that he made contact and by apologizing
(14:10):
it means that he did it on purpose. That's what
it's about. He kind of like got pissed, bumped shoulders
with the guy, and then hopped off and went and
coached his team. You just can't do that. There's no
world where that's acceptable. It's just not I don't really
know what the argument.
Speaker 8 (14:28):
Is, well does Bryant wis in. I don't agree with
the Cardinals finding gan in one hundred k. I believe
it only happened because of the soft ass world we
live in today. If you're an athlete with any kind
of integrity and respect for the game, you'll understand that situation.
This is football. That play clearly cost them the game.
I hope this doesn't cause a weird vibe between the
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coach Gannon and Dame Merricatto. I mean, Klay Travis seems
to sweet about this every ten minutes. I do agree
with the sentiment that it is a great example of
the kind of gen zification of sports. And this is
what I mean by this. You have a kid that
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makes a decision that costs his team a game, and
then somehow during the week he becomes the victim. That
is like the most gen Z thing ever. The lack
of accountability for the player in this situation. And I
understand your point about the you can't make contact intentionally
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or not. Nobody has admitted to intentionally making contact here.
The statement in the NFL doesn't even refer to the contact.
So I don't know what he's getting fined for. I
guess we're supposed to assume. But the whole thing is
it's the gen zification of sports. Right, Like that bump,
if you were to do it in basketball, that bump
(15:52):
may have been harmful. We're talking about a guy without
pads on bumping shoulders with somebody with fucking shoulder pads on.
There's exactly zero harm meant or harm.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
It's not about the harm. He can't do it. And
by the way, this isn't gen Z. You haven't been
able to do this for about forty years. Can't put
your hands on a kid. You can't bump into a
kid like when when it's out of anger. This is
not out of teaching, it's out of anger. And look,
(16:28):
I get angry with my guys and i've i've I
dressed them down. Did today at practice for a couple
of guys at practice for a couple of guys. But
you can't put your hands on him and he can't
bump into him like. It's not how it works. Not
it works, So you dees Brian can have his opinion.
(16:49):
He's fucking wrong right again. And I think what Dez
is talking about is he either didn't see the bump
or is not reacting to the bump. But any any
coach will tell you can do that. Can't do that
in twenty twenty five, couldn't do it nineteen ninety five either.
Speaker 8 (17:05):
The bump was neither mentioned by the NFL statement about
the fine, and it wasn't even mentioned in the apology yesterday.
And by the way, I gave gannon Way too much
credit yesterday when he openly says I woke up and
thought about this, and now I apologize. Now we have it.
We see that under a different prism. Right, It's not
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that he came to Jesus overnight. He was being notified
that there was going to be a heavy fine levied,
and he had to go about what you do in
corporate America, which has apologized to everybody, show complete accountability.
But I don't think this was something he just woke
up feeling bad about. But anyways, so last night something happened.
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Aaron Judge had a three run homer.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
In a.
Speaker 8 (17:53):
Game that was sixty three in the fourth inning, so
he had a three run homer sixty three it became
sixty six. Yankees went on to win the game. As
the blue check marks do on Twitter, they tend to overreact.
There's there seems to be a what do you call that?
Something that just happens, So let's make a big deal
about it, Rick reaction.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
No, it's a bias. It's a it's a recency bias.
Speaker 8 (18:19):
Recency bias. Okay, you have to come up with something
to say, right, That's the boot check mark thing is
I have to say something about this moment. And the
words they chose was he finally delivered his signature postseason moment.
I'm not doing this to make fun of cow heard,
even though I kind of liked to poke fun of
some of the bullshit. This cow herd is an amalgamation
(18:41):
of what we read on Twitter last night when he
said this this morning, you need a moment.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Last night, Aaron Judge, Yeah, finally had his moment.
Speaker 8 (18:52):
Now, if when everything's wrapped up at the end of
his Hall of Fame career and we're talking about him
going to the Hall of Fame career, I'm guessing exactly
zero people are going to bring up a three year
in a homer in a Division Series Game three in
the fourth inning to tie a game. It's a blatant overreaction.
This is not a signature moment. This was a cool
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moment last night. That's basically. That's how I'm gonna call it.
This was a cool moment on Tuesday night. Drastic overreactions
on Twitter are annoying, and I hope for Aaron Judge's
sake and for the Yankee sake. I mean, if he
goes into the Hall of Fame without a bigger or
better moment than that in the postseason, that's gonna be
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an indictment on the Yankees for not having capitalized with
the best player in baseball.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
I actually thought of something totally different than you. I
know that's not surprise to you, but I thought that
if you can well, what he did was amazing because
it's on such a hard pitch to hit out right
hundred miles an hour on his hands, and he just
turned on it and delivered again. I think in terms
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of the clutchness or how he does in the postseason,
because he's with the Yankees, he's going to get a
lot of opportunities, and at the end of the day,
we can't actually use the numbers. We just I don't
know if we can use him just yet, right, But
you know, you go five years down the road, the
guess is they're in the playoffs most of these years,
you'll have a fuller set of numbers to make the
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assessment on just how good or bad he's been in
the postseason. But I woke up today thinking how much
does Aaron Judge have to continue to prove himself? Considering
he proved himself in that amount of pressure packed situation
and hits a three run jack when they're down three
runs playing at home against the pretty filthy dude. So
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I my questions right now in terms of his clutchness
aren't really activated. I think it's more to end of
his career, and that that's how I look at it.
Speaker 8 (21:04):
So we got the overreaction to Aaron Judge, the overreaction
to Jonathan Gannon and Dave Orties dropping a Hitler bomb
on live TV.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Hmm hmmm. I'm gonna go with probably the overreaction to
Aaron Judge. All right, the overreaction to Aaron Judge. I
think that's you know, it's it's like, it's the one
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thing about it's the weird thing about baseball. Baseball is
all about big sample size, and so you see one
home run and you immediately go to small sample size argument,
which I think is dumb. So to that point, it's annoying.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Why are we doing this?
Speaker 5 (21:56):
I do.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Because we can.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Let's get them be Cosby can. Here's obj.
Speaker 10 (22:07):
No, there's somebody a bit of me that like feel
like the Giants sent me off. I've said it before,
sent me off to Cleveland to die. You know, they
could have I could have went to the forty nine ers,
I could have went to the Patriots. I could have
went to teams that had, you know, a chance to
be great. And that's not what their desire was. Their desire.
You can't tell me that this was the best trade
package we could have got for you know, your desire
was to you know, kind of fucked me over a
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little bit.
Speaker 8 (22:30):
It's how I feel.
Speaker 10 (22:31):
You know, you feel like I made a fool of
view of the organization and that was never truly like
my intention. Like I'm just that competitive, Like I wanted
to win, like I always wanted to win. I'm tired
of being six and ten. We haven't done anything to
make changes. Eli's going out. You know, I'm texting Eli,
like your seventh on the list, you know what I mean,
like for the greatest of all time, like I want
to be I want to see ELI go out with
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another super Bowl. Like we're not putting the pieces around them,
and I feel like I was being wasted as well.
Like that's how you know, like stats is cool, and
when you losing, yeah, it's doesn't feel like okay cool,
I had thirteen whatever fourteen on your r just when
any touchdowns like or you lost.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
If they did do it to fuck him over good?
I think that should be done more often. Right, Wait,
we rolled out the red car, but we did everything
for you, and uh then you screwed us, like, yeah,
we're We're not just going to trade you to your
dream destination. This is NFL players thinking this the NBA.
Where NBA guys cower to the whims and needs of
NBA players. That ain't how it works in the NFL.
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But I also think if you look back when he
was traded to the Browns, the Browns reviewed as an
up and coming team, and hey, if you're really that good,
change it, change the road, change their their their trajectory.
I just we can play it for you because we can't.
That's it for the end the Bonus Podcast. I got
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
What up Doug Gottlieb Show in the Bonus Fox Sports Radio,
iHeartRadio A welcome in m hmmm. So, uh, this is
the year for this is this is the time for
preseason poles in college basketball and it's it's always it's
again new experiences being on the inside I want to
(00:34):
share with you. So the Horizon League pole came out
and my team was picked dead last by a good amount.
And what's crazy about it is my best returning player,
Marcus Hall, was picked first team All League. Now what
that must say? That says to me? First of all,
I mean again, we're voting and I got to vote too,
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and uh, it's it's like SIDS writers. I don't know
what the compilation is. It's really interesting. But it would
make no sense that the best player on what you've
picked as the worst team would be first team All
League when there's eleven teams. That's not going to happen, right,
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And Marcus is tremendous and he's going to have a
big year. And so I don't make many guarantees. I
guarantee this. We're not going to finish last. We're not.
I have a pretty good feel for who I do
think would be bottom of the league. But again, I'll
let it play out. Everybody has a brand new team,
minds new ish but not brand new, and we feel
pretty good about where we are. We'd be very good
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about where we're going. But it's always interesting to sit
there and go like, look, if I had had the
job for ten years and I've won a bunch and
then you pick me last, well, then I just I
just again use it as motivation, which we will. But
the other part to it, which is fascinating is because
we only have one year in the books, well have
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one year in the books, that it makes it look
to the outsider as if maybe we don't know what
we're doing. When we revamped the roster, vamped the coaching staff,
we have a If we end up finishing in the
last couple spots, the league is awesome because this team
compared to last year's team, is far more talented, will
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be far better coach, will be far better prepared, will
be better. But I want this on the record on
the Doug Gottlieb Show. We'll do it on all ball
as well on It's great fuel. I know no one
knows about anybody's team because everybody's new, and you recruit
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guys that are junior college guys, D two, D three guys.
I got it. I hear you. But I also know
that there's an energy out there to think that we're
going to fail and we will not, So I guess
this is just a watch us thing.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Let's get to the Foxes and Now every day at
this time the Doug Gottlieb Show. In the Bonus Podcast,
we we share with you a thought or a rant,
or an argument or something previously today on Fox Sports
One or Fox Sports Radio. Here's Dan Patrick from The
Dan Patrick Show talking about baseball's postseason.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
I had a baseball analyst who said, how's baseball and
baseball fans going to react if you have the Blue
Jays and the Mariners playing or you know that, are
we going to be like, oh, what are we doing
with our small market teams here? And I'm like, I
don't know why we get We always come to this
conclusion like, oh, who's gonna watch? Like, I don't care.
(03:59):
You know, it's you're getting to see some good baseball.
You're getting to see some big stars. And if it's Seattle,
it's a great story. Toronto is a great story as well.
I know we love the big markets, but we don't
do that in the NFL. Like green Bay's the smallest market.
If green Bay goes to the Super Bowl, nobody's going
to complain. They're just not And I think we get
(04:20):
caught up in who's gonna watch. You know, baseball struck
gold last year with the Yankees and Dodgers, even though
it wasn't a competitive World Series. You had the big markets,
the big teams. But all I want to see is
great you know, we get to March madness. I don't know,
do you really care if Butler goes to a championship game,
George Mason goes to the Final four? I think if
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you get good matchups, that's all we're asking for.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Uh yeah, I mean that sounds great, but the reality
is that the non baseball not hardcore baseball fans, and
there are more of them than hardcore baseball fans. I
want to see. The big names want to see, the
big teams want to see the Yankees. Last night was
great for the sport. Again, it doesn't mean that Toronto
beats them in Game four, beats them in Game five
(05:09):
that they don't deserve to move on. But let's just
be honest, the numbers pay in comparison if the Yankees
are playing as opposed to you know, the Blue Jays
are playing a supposed to the Yankees, and just the
kind of way it is. The Brewers prove over one
hundred and six to two games they're better than the Cups,
and so far through two games they're better than the Cups.
(05:29):
But in order to win the series, they win the series.
It doesn't make them more popular than the Cubs and
more people, even just fans, are it takes too long
for them to come around. Here's Jonas Knox, Brady Quinn,
LeVar Arrington talking about the branking system for college football.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Well, kind of kick this around, you know earlier in
the year. What are we doing with the preseason rankings now?
Because I wonder if they didn't exist for me, I
would still be as interested as I am. But from
the TV standpoint, when you've got a little number next
to a name, it made it made it a bigger loss, right, well,
(06:04):
but a bigger game.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
You're you're a winless team, you're owing four, you can't
seem to get it right, you fire your coach, bringing
in new coaches, and you play a top a top
ten rated team. There's no possible way that you could
come to the conclusion that there's an upset that's going
(06:26):
to take place in that game.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
So well, let me ask you this. If they got
rid of the preseason rankings and they didn't have those anymore,
how many weeks into the season before you would then?
Speaker 6 (06:37):
So just you'd wait for the College Football playff caima.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
I don't think that. I don't think it's a bad idea, honestly, I.
Speaker 6 (06:45):
Really I also think, like, why can't we have the
committee start like Week three, Week four? You've seen four games,
and you don't feel like you can start to put
together a list of what you're thinking about these teams?
Speaker 2 (06:59):
I think, Look, there's lots of good ideas. I would
just I would do this. I would use a college
football analysts poll. That's what I would do. Now, one
thing to be sure of with college footbal analysts is
they will have a much stronger opinion even if you
don't put their names by it about their alma mater
or the league that they played in, So you have
to But I mean, I just anyone is carries some
(07:24):
form of bias in this voting. But with the College
Fball Playoff Committee, I don't mind what they're doing, but
I do think that the guidance anyone gets from polls
when college coaches don't really vote and the ap pole
is complete waste of time. I think what's missing in
(07:45):
polling is just do the you know, take the four
biggest name analysts from Fox, you know, two from NBC
to four from ESPN, two from c based upon your
level of investment in the sport. That's, you know, that's
how many sort of votes you get. I would do
(08:07):
it that way. Here's Nick Wright talking about the Eagles
with Conklherd.
Speaker 7 (08:11):
The Eagles are objectively colin an excellent team. They have
an excellent roster. They have the most expensive offense in
the history of the NFL, and they have a top
five offensive line, a top five running back, top five receivers,
and a really good quarterback. I don't know where you
want to rank him, but which makes it so unfathomable
(08:35):
that in their last six halves of football they have
either had less than eight yards rushing eight yards passing.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
In three of them.
Speaker 7 (08:47):
Yeah, in the last they've only played how many halves
all year to ten halves all year? And in three
of the last six they have been totally non exists
on one side, you know, in one facet of the game.
And here is why I think it is fair to
be a little concern. It reminds me a bit of
(09:08):
two years ago when they started ten and one, but
it was so angsty and every game they won, but
it was like yeah, but yeah, but and what that
led to was a historic collapse where they went from
ten and one to losing six of their final seven
and basically giving up in the playoff game.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
I think what Nick points out is sort of what
we've been talking about, which is on so many levels
they should be way better than they are, but something
is missing. It's very easy to say it's the play
color because he's new and he hasn't done it before,
and it may be what it is. But the curious
part is going to be will there be progression, will
(09:56):
they start to get better, will they start to figure
it out? And again to this point the answer is no.
But whereas you know the Chiefs, for example, who are
in much more dire straits in terms of the record,
The difference with the Chiefs is very simple. This is
a team that had seven point nine yards per play
last game. So obviously the offense is in fact getting better.
(10:18):
That's what the Fox said say.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
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Speaker 2 (10:32):
Let's find out who are What's annoying? Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 8 (10:43):
Hey, Doug. So the guys on NFL on Fox the
Studio show, what is that? Kevin Bernhardt, per Card, Derek Cheter,
David Ortiz and a rot. Now if we go back,
I don't know five days. Something kind of fun happened
with regard to this show and that show, right because
(11:06):
you stopped yourself on live radio nationally and would not
say the word schlittler because you think it's a trap word.
You think it's a trap word for broadcasters trying to
read copy, and it's easy to say something that isn't schlittler.
And then we played from the weekend a Rod stumbling
over his words and saying shitler. We played Mad Dog
(11:28):
Russo on his show saying shitler. Well, they had fun
with that yesterday on the broadcast. And then as Awful
Announcing says, it took a dark turn.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Everything went over. You pronounce his last name, you cut
first Whittler. Oh, well, he's the master schlittler.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Slitler.
Speaker 8 (11:48):
You know, now your turn.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
A right, Let's go to a break, get hit.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yeah it's there, it's apparently there, Rizzuto, but I didn't
know that. We need to go Nazi autumn. But only
Big Poppy can get away with that, right, he can
just go, hey, it's English second language, dude. But that
was actually really funny, although I'll be an uncomfortable, uncomfortable moment.
Speaker 8 (12:17):
Do you get the sentiment behind Burkhart saying let's go
to a break? Yes, there is a there's a very
dicey aspect to using that word on live broadcast. It's
not one of the seven deadly words that you're not
supposed to use, as the FCC points out, but it's
something that just you don't hear on a live broadcast
(12:43):
designated Hitler.
Speaker 9 (12:46):
That of course was a mistake, a verbal gaff.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
But yeah, not not not what Poppy.
Speaker 9 (12:53):
Burkhart's playing the straight man, which he should, and of course,
big Poppy, Yeah, he can get away with that because
it's not Yeah, I know, it's just funny. It's funny
coming out of his mouth. But obviously you don't want
to let that one simmer too long.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Nope, nope, not too long, not too long. What else
annoying you?
Speaker 8 (13:09):
Uh? Well, the Jonathan Gannon situation made this segment yesterday,
and the fact that you're a head coach. I don't
know if it recuses you from this conversation or if
it's an important voice in this conversation. I will say
this your opinion about the Jonathan Gannon situation. And then
(13:30):
the fine is running about five ninety five. It's not
even like ninety ten. It's five percent of the people
agree with the fine. Ninety five percent of the people
do not. And that ninety five percent has really loud voices.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yeah, ninety five percent have no fucking clue what they're
talking about.
Speaker 8 (13:47):
Well, let me let me no, no.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Let me just let me just stake this again. I
know what you want to get to reset in the conversation.
Forwarding the conversation, the point is, it's not about dressing
down a guy who fumbled as he went into the
end zone and it's one of two plays which catch
the Arizona Cardinals the game. It's not about that. It's
about the fact that he made contact and by apologizing
(14:10):
it means that he did it on purpose. That's what
it's about. He kind of like got pissed, bumped shoulders
with the guy, and then hopped off and went and
coached his team. You just can't do that. There's no
world where that's acceptable. It's just not I don't really
know what the argument.
Speaker 8 (14:28):
Is, well does Bryant wis in. I don't agree with
the Cardinals finding gan in one hundred k. I believe
it only happened because of the soft ass world we
live in today. If you're an athlete with any kind
of integrity and respect for the game, you'll understand that situation.
This is football. That play clearly cost them the game.
I hope this doesn't cause a weird vibe between the
(14:50):
coach Gannon and Dame Merricatto. I mean, Klay Travis seems
to sweet about this every ten minutes. I do agree
with the sentiment that it is a great example of
the kind of gen zification of sports. And this is
what I mean by this. You have a kid that
(15:10):
makes a decision that costs his team a game, and
then somehow during the week he becomes the victim. That
is like the most gen Z thing ever. The lack
of accountability for the player in this situation. And I
understand your point about the you can't make contact intentionally
(15:30):
or not. Nobody has admitted to intentionally making contact here.
The statement in the NFL doesn't even refer to the contact.
So I don't know what he's getting fined for. I
guess we're supposed to assume. But the whole thing is
it's the gen zification of sports. Right, Like that bump,
if you were to do it in basketball, that bump
(15:52):
may have been harmful. We're talking about a guy without
pads on bumping shoulders with somebody with fucking shoulder pads on.
There's exactly zero harm meant or harm.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
It's not about the harm. He can't do it. And
by the way, this isn't gen Z. You haven't been
able to do this for about forty years. Can't put
your hands on a kid. You can't bump into a
kid like when when it's out of anger. This is
not out of teaching, it's out of anger. And look,
(16:28):
I get angry with my guys and i've i've I
dressed them down. Did today at practice for a couple
of guys at practice for a couple of guys. But
you can't put your hands on him and he can't
bump into him like. It's not how it works. Not
it works, So you dees Brian can have his opinion.
(16:49):
He's fucking wrong right again. And I think what Dez
is talking about is he either didn't see the bump
or is not reacting to the bump. But any any
coach will tell you can do that. Can't do that
in twenty twenty five, couldn't do it nineteen ninety five either.
Speaker 8 (17:05):
The bump was neither mentioned by the NFL statement about
the fine, and it wasn't even mentioned in the apology yesterday.
And by the way, I gave gannon Way too much
credit yesterday when he openly says I woke up and
thought about this, and now I apologize. Now we have it.
We see that under a different prism. Right, It's not
(17:27):
that he came to Jesus overnight. He was being notified
that there was going to be a heavy fine levied,
and he had to go about what you do in
corporate America, which has apologized to everybody, show complete accountability.
But I don't think this was something he just woke
up feeling bad about. But anyways, so last night something happened.
(17:48):
Aaron Judge had a three run homer.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
In a.
Speaker 8 (17:53):
Game that was sixty three in the fourth inning, so
he had a three run homer sixty three it became
sixty six. Yankees went on to win the game. As
the blue check marks do on Twitter, they tend to overreact.
There's there seems to be a what do you call that?
Something that just happens, So let's make a big deal
about it, Rick reaction.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
No, it's a bias. It's a it's a recency bias.
Speaker 8 (18:19):
Recency bias. Okay, you have to come up with something
to say, right, That's the boot check mark thing is
I have to say something about this moment. And the
words they chose was he finally delivered his signature postseason moment.
I'm not doing this to make fun of cow heard,
even though I kind of liked to poke fun of
some of the bullshit. This cow herd is an amalgamation
(18:41):
of what we read on Twitter last night when he
said this this morning, you need a moment.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Last night, Aaron Judge, Yeah, finally had his moment.
Speaker 8 (18:52):
Now, if when everything's wrapped up at the end of
his Hall of Fame career and we're talking about him
going to the Hall of Fame career, I'm guessing exactly
zero people are going to bring up a three year
in a homer in a Division Series Game three in
the fourth inning to tie a game. It's a blatant overreaction.
This is not a signature moment. This was a cool
(19:14):
moment last night. That's basically. That's how I'm gonna call it.
This was a cool moment on Tuesday night. Drastic overreactions
on Twitter are annoying, and I hope for Aaron Judge's
sake and for the Yankee sake. I mean, if he
goes into the Hall of Fame without a bigger or
better moment than that in the postseason, that's gonna be
(19:34):
an indictment on the Yankees for not having capitalized with
the best player in baseball.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
I actually thought of something totally different than you. I
know that's not surprise to you, but I thought that
if you can well, what he did was amazing because
it's on such a hard pitch to hit out right
hundred miles an hour on his hands, and he just
turned on it and delivered again. I think in terms
(20:07):
of the clutchness or how he does in the postseason,
because he's with the Yankees, he's going to get a
lot of opportunities, and at the end of the day,
we can't actually use the numbers. We just I don't
know if we can use him just yet, right, But
you know, you go five years down the road, the
guess is they're in the playoffs most of these years,
you'll have a fuller set of numbers to make the
(20:29):
assessment on just how good or bad he's been in
the postseason. But I woke up today thinking how much
does Aaron Judge have to continue to prove himself? Considering
he proved himself in that amount of pressure packed situation
and hits a three run jack when they're down three
runs playing at home against the pretty filthy dude. So
(20:52):
I my questions right now in terms of his clutchness
aren't really activated. I think it's more to end of
his career, and that that's how I look at it.
Speaker 8 (21:04):
So we got the overreaction to Aaron Judge, the overreaction
to Jonathan Gannon and Dave Orties dropping a Hitler bomb
on live TV.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Hmm hmmm. I'm gonna go with probably the overreaction to
Aaron Judge. All right, the overreaction to Aaron Judge. I
think that's you know, it's it's like, it's the one
(21:35):
thing about it's the weird thing about baseball. Baseball is
all about big sample size, and so you see one
home run and you immediately go to small sample size argument,
which I think is dumb. So to that point, it's annoying.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Why are we doing this?
Speaker 5 (21:56):
I do.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Because we can.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Let's get them be Cosby can. Here's obj.
Speaker 10 (22:07):
No, there's somebody a bit of me that like feel
like the Giants sent me off. I've said it before,
sent me off to Cleveland to die. You know, they
could have I could have went to the forty nine ers,
I could have went to the Patriots. I could have
went to teams that had, you know, a chance to
be great. And that's not what their desire was. Their desire.
You can't tell me that this was the best trade
package we could have got for you know, your desire
was to you know, kind of fucked me over a
(22:30):
little bit.
Speaker 8 (22:30):
It's how I feel.
Speaker 10 (22:31):
You know, you feel like I made a fool of
view of the organization and that was never truly like
my intention. Like I'm just that competitive, Like I wanted
to win, like I always wanted to win. I'm tired
of being six and ten. We haven't done anything to
make changes. Eli's going out. You know, I'm texting Eli,
like your seventh on the list, you know what I mean,
like for the greatest of all time, like I want
to be I want to see ELI go out with
(22:52):
another super Bowl. Like we're not putting the pieces around them,
and I feel like I was being wasted as well.
Like that's how you know, like stats is cool, and
when you losing, yeah, it's doesn't feel like okay cool,
I had thirteen whatever fourteen on your r just when
any touchdowns like or you lost.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
If they did do it to fuck him over good?
I think that should be done more often. Right, Wait,
we rolled out the red car, but we did everything
for you, and uh then you screwed us, like, yeah,
we're We're not just going to trade you to your
dream destination. This is NFL players thinking this the NBA.
Where NBA guys cower to the whims and needs of
NBA players. That ain't how it works in the NFL.
(23:34):
But I also think if you look back when he
was traded to the Browns, the Browns reviewed as an
up and coming team, and hey, if you're really that good,
change it, change the road, change their their their trajectory.
I just we can play it for you because we can't.
That's it for the end the Bonus Podcast. I got
(23:55):
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