October 14, 2025 • 41 mins
Doug riffs on the Brewers losing to the Dodgers in game one of the NLCS. He reacts to Rob Parker's take on Doug's James Franklin commentary. Doug chooses among deserving candidates Jason Stewart chooses as the most annoying today. Plus, Quentin Tarantino makes today's installment of "Because We Can".
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Alright, this is the Doug gottlie Show. Heres in the
bonus with Doug gottl.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
What up, Doug gottlieb shout Fox Sports Radio. It never
ever fails, never ever, never right, remember fails.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
What is it? Ah, the decisions on a star pitcher
in baseball. I mean, like, look, the Brewers, it's kind
of what they've done. They have the opener, don't extend
the starter. But the Dodgers, and we'll get Jay steal
In on this, uh some as well. We got him
in on the on the radio show. But it never fails.
And you know, it's one of those things you're you
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are damned if you do, damn if you don't. The
Dodgers Blake Snell was, I mean rolling right, twenty four up,
twenty four down, he picks off the only guy he
lets on with it hit. I mean, the whole thing
is fantastic. And then you get to the ninth inning
and you know, Dave Roberts came over to him and
said he was done. So it was they didn't do
the Pedro Martinez in two thousand and three, which is teleguy,
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he's done. And then when you get you know, you
get an extra run. Then you add on You're like, well,
I'll go back out there close now. Now you know,
I don't know who makes the decision for the Dodgers.
I'm very reasonable, and I think most people think that
this is these are decisions that are made from above
the pay grade of Dave Roberts. But it's interesting, like
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there feels like there's a common sense element which continues
to be missing. And the common sense element is they
can't hit Blake's now now they have data that obviously
told them now is the time to make the change.
But I mean, he was so efficient and so unhittable,
and you have so many questions about the bullpen, and
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all those questions you got the answer.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
No.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
I mean, let's just be honest. The Dodgers were very
very lucky, very very lucky. And Blake Sneill throws one
hundred and three pitches. It's a lot. Throws sixty nine strikes,
also a lot. So I mean you mean to tell
me that you can't You have a rookie closer in
Rookie Susaki, who you had earned the right to get
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that spot. But he was super tight. He threw ten
strikes and twenty through two pitches and they end up
getting it out and they have to go to to
trying in order to save the day, and he again, frankly,
got really lucky, really lucky that they didn't step into
one and take a hit by pitch and then it's
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a tie game and it probably spirals out of control
for the Dodgers. But that's a hard one, right, It's
a really hard one. Do you you know? Do you
and this is an honest question that I don't know
the answer to. Do you take him out and live
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with the results of the bullpen and stick to your
process or do you? I mean, my thing would be
and this is in basketball. We have this. It's like
when do you sub when guys get tired? You know?
Do you sub before they get tired? Do you try
and time out as they're getting tired? Do you think
they get tired? Do you have a pre planned substitution
pattern or do you go by feel And you're like, well,
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I know they're tired, but so is the other team.
And we have momentum. The Dodgers had momentum and the
the Brewers could not hit Blake Snow. It wasn't like
they were hitting him hard. And you know, they got
lucky with a couple of great defensive plays. They just
weren't ten strikeouts. They're not putting bats on balls. They
hadn't figured out his curveball, and he wasn't missing with it. Now.
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The second thing that happens all the time is a
closer walks the first batter. Anytime like the walking the
first batter is a lot like the first person that
appears to not be a main character in a horror movie.
You know they're going to get murdered in that first scene.
Everything that happened last night between the Dodgers and the
Brewers going into and out of the ninth inning is
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like out of Central casting. This is how it always happens.
We shouldn't act surprise. It was amazing. I feel bad
for the Brewers because they just hung in there, hung
in there, and the pitching wasn't bad. Giving up that
add on run, you know, ultimately was the difference. But
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the leadoff walk, the way in which they played it,
step into it and you'd, you know, get hit by
a pitch instead you strike out. I don't know that
was That was as cliche an October baseball game as
you're going to get and oftentimes those games are the
ones that decide series and World Series champion. And so
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my guess is that's what happens for the Dodgers. They escaped.
Now do they have a more or less faith in
their bullpen to day less? And we have no idea
what Blake Snell's gonna be like like second time round.
On the other hand, that's why they got Blake Snell
because he did that exact same thing to the Dodgers
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in the COVID World Series, was completely unhittable, and then
his bullpen fell apart. Gotta love October Baseball.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
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Speaker 3 (05:27):
Let's get to what the Foxes and now Fox say
every day, This time the Doug Gotlby Show. In the
Bonus podcast, we played for you at previous portion of
a Fox Sports Warner Fox Sports Radio show. Here's our guy,
Rob Parker. He had this response to my rant on
James Franklin yesterday.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
I'm gonna rag on Doug Gottlieb and I have to
what what's the name of a segment because Doug does
it on his show What does the Fox Say? He
listens to like what we might outtake, and then he
kind of takes us the task on his show, which
is fun. I'm good, this is all game. We're on
the air. And that has with James Franklin. What do
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you think? Like he's so bent out of shape that
Penn State fired Ben frank Ben Franklin, James Franklin.
Speaker 6 (06:14):
And and Doug. I get it.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
Doug's a coach who hasn't won, so he's making it
like like he can say what ye.
Speaker 6 (06:23):
As hard as he can make whatever.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
I get it. But it sounds bad. It just sounds
bad because he's like, well, where's the honor in that?
And now blah blah blah, dude, And we say it
on this show all the time. Sports has a short
menu wins and losses, and when you don't win enough,
guess what you get fired?
Speaker 6 (06:42):
So I get it. But Doug is.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
Trying to like, oh my god, it's so James frankl
look at up what he's done and is that dumb?
Speaker 6 (06:49):
That honor or whatever? Dude? Stop, Okay, I get it.
Speaker 7 (06:55):
Doug.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
You're a coach, You're a I know you have a
radio show, but you're a coach and you're team won
two games last year.
Speaker 6 (07:01):
So he's trying to like, well, it's.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
Not always about winning, no, no, dog, I hate to
break it to you.
Speaker 6 (07:08):
It's about winning.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
And when you win, you can do almost anything, and
they will bring you back. They'll bend over backwards, Calvin.
And when you don't win, guess what they go get
somebody else.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Okay, a couple of things Rob. First of all, I
do like Rob. Most of his takes contradict his other takes.
Or the example is he always wants to fire everybody.
He's a fire everybody guy, fire everybody guy, right, but
he here's the easy contradiction in Rob, which is he's
always called, uh, Tom Brady the luckiest guy of all time,
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the lot right, luckiest of all time. And yet then
he says that Bill Belichick's a fraud. Right, So if
Brady was lucky and Belichick's a fraud, how the fuck
did they go to ten Super Bowls or nine Super
Bowls and win six of them? Doesn't make any sense. Okay.
The other part with Rob is he hadn't really been
around real sports respectfully. We won four games and while
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that may sound like a infinitesimal amount, okay, not knowing
or understanding. I don't give a shit. Okay, Dick Bennett's
the greatest coach here. He won five games his first year,
lots of guys first year. When he got five guys,
and you get the job, you gotta throw a shit together.
This is not about being a coach. And this is
where he didn't listen to the entirety of the rant.
I didn't say, you can't fire James Franklin. Okay, you
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want pay James Franklin fifty million dollars, not coach. Fuck
James Franklin, thank you. And as long as he doesn't
have as long as he doesn't have a clause where
he can go out, he doesn't have offset like he's great,
Like you wanna fire me, fine, fucking fire me. I'll
go get another job. Don't care. This is not about
getting again. You did not listen. You just maybe heard
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a blip, which is okay. I don't know how has
played for him in studio. They might have just played
the part where I said Penn stand has Penn State
likes to purport themselves as being this honorable, holier than
now program, and they're not. They're just like everybody else.
It's about winning and losing, which is exactly what I said,
which actually is in lockstep with what Rob said. My
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point is and remains, and I know it's fucking true
because I fucking live it. I know that if you
don't win, you get fired. I know you got to
build and get better and better. If you want to
say James Franklin hasn't won or James Franklin has Is
Penn State better now than when he took it over? Yes?
Are the Are they to the level that you expect
them to be? Maybe not? Okay, last year they got
to the College Wall Playoff. They won two games in
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the Collegewell Playoff, So we obviously have no memory. And
that does not create any sort of equity within programs.
It's you have to win every year, is what you're saying,
which again is not really a reality. It's just not
because guys get hurt.
Speaker 8 (09:52):
Right.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
We could go through each of these different things and
we go like, all right, So like James Franklin, between
James Franklin being fired and being the head coach is
really one play versus organ That's it. That's how close
it was. You know, they lost in overtime to Oregon
at home. They don't lose that game. Who knows what
happens at UCLA and Northwestern again, it took the life
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out of them. But that's okay. You're allowed to fire
James Franklin. You're allowed to fire Mike Gundy. You're allowed
to fire Deshaun Foster. You're allowed to fire all these guys.
But understanding the landscape of what you're actually doing, okay,
when you're in charge, just like when you're a coach,
just like when you're an administrator, Just like when you're
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running a radio show and you get you're all emotional
and you're all fired up, you still have to have
the balance of Okay, how does this affect the entire
chess board? So in Rob Parker's mind, James Franklin loses.
He's a fucking loser. Get rid of him. Forget about
the fact that he won last year, Forget that the
program is way better than it was when he took
it over. He's had plenty of time and you want
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to pay him fifty million dollars? Great, why'd you have
to fire him this week? Why? What good has been
done right when you're at when you're at Penn State, Okay,
you're not getting a new coach until you're going to
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hire a sitting head coach. A sitting head coach now
if you already had one planned, or you want to
hire somebody early and you want to pay for them
and they can get ahead of it now, that would
be a very interesting plan and one that I could
probably get my head around, which is, hey, they hired
a guy in November and he's the sitting head coach,
and he's gonna be able to load up on players
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and go around the country and recruit right, because you're
basically recruiting off other people's rosters and put together a portal,
put together staff, put together a plan, by my estimation,
the smartest way to get Penn State back quickly because
you just destroyed the program. Understand, when you fire a coach,
especially mid season, you have fucking destroyed the program. You
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have lit a match and that thing is on fire.
And you may be okay with that, okay, but understand
what that means. That means you are not gonna be
good this year, You're not gonna be good next year,
and you're hoping that two years from now you can
get back to being the level that you're at now.
And you're like, wait, how do you know that? Because
you're gonna have to get seventy new guys, you'll have
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twenty or twenty five that love Penn State that want
to stay there. The rest of them are like, fuck this,
I'm out. And because you fired James Franklin already that
everybody who has eligibility has been contacted by somebody already.
They're all in the portal. Even though they changed the
rule and said they can't get in the portal the
thirty day portal window. Anyway, it doesn't matter. They're all
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out there, they're all get in contact. You've lost your
entire roster. So the only way to soften that. And
I again, I'm only saying this because I actually know
what the fuck I'm talking about. If I could do
it again, Hey, I got hired late, but I should
have hired a quality D two head coach, not just
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help me coach, but to bring his team with him
so that we have some culture, so that we have
some balance, so that we have a way in which
we do things. Because the first year, when you go
out and you get to the portal. You still haven't
figured out your place, you haven't figured out your league,
you haven't figured out the money, you haven't figured anything out.
It's the first year is really hard. Bill Belichick's like,
do we think Bill Belichick's a fucking idiot? No, this
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team done any good? Why because they didn't have any
understanding of putting together team, what it was gonna look like,
what the level's like, what's it like in the portal?
Who do you want to recruit? It takes time. You
don't automatically wake up in this whole new landscape and
figured the fuck out. So if you're gonna hire Matt
Ruhle from Nebraska, Okay, that isn't gonna happen. Between now
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and when Nebraska last game of the season, nothing changes.
The only thing you've done is light a match to
this season and told those players we don't give a
fuck about you and your college experience. That's what you've
told them. And what I'm saying to you, Rob is that.
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And I know because I've been to these institutions and
I actually drink the kool aid right again. And some
of this is to Mike Gundy firing, Like there's literally
fifteen thousand people in it that go to the games
at Oklahoma State. Now the whole season they're sold out.
It's like sixty thousand people. They get like fifteen to
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twenty thousand people. And again, if you don't know, you're like, well,
Mike Gundy sucks. Well, now he was a great coach,
and then all of a sudden they're not good. Why
didn't have any money previously and this year they got
some money, didn't have a great team, but the quarterback
got hurt three series into the season, and they paid
the quarterback like a million and he comes over with
the offensive coordinator. You take away the quarterback, and now
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of a sudden they don't have a quality back up
and now they're on the third string and all they
had was walk ons because they ran out of money,
so they put a wide receiver at quarterback last game.
In other words, it's a complete shit show. They have
a terrible football team from what was a great program.
Now does that mean they would have been better with
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Mike Gundy? Modestly, but you you told they've also had
three or four guys put themselves in the portal before
this new rules passed, So you've told those players, you're
done here. We don't give a shit about you. And
by the way, my Gundy is one of your most
famous lums and been there for twenty years, Like, did
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you really have to fire him? Did you have to
go to him? Suppose they went to him like, hey,
you can coach out the year, will itch and you
can retire or will fire you? Now, why did you
have to go to him? Just if you're gonna fire him,
just wait till the end of the year and say, hey,
senior night, last game, we're done here, we'll pay you
the check. Why do you why'd you have to be
so impetuous? What so you can go and evaluate Zach Robinson,
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who's the offensive coordinator and was a great quarterback and player,
and his mom's an alum and he's an alum. No,
you could have done that anyway. And by the way,
you're gonna ask Zach Robinson to leave his team in
Atlanta and all of a sudden get into the portal
Like maybe, but that's a hard one. What if they're
in the playoff runt? So my point, Rob is that
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in addition to getting our record wrong, and while you
think four wins is shitty, four wins is not good enough.
The one difference in US and many other teams at
our level was we had four wins and injuries and
I'm not gonna make excuse for it, but they were
four Division one wins. Most teams that finished with five
or six or seven wins, they have three or four
non Division one wins. We didn't have any last year,
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only played one nine one. We lost. But it's because
I understand how it all actually works. I understand how
hard that first year is of putting these together in
the portal. And I understand that when you sell a
you sell kids play on a belief in a place
being different than others. You've completely destroyed it with your actions.
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So I have never said you can't fire coaches. We
are all as coaches, just coaching until we get fired.
We get it. Okay, that's the job. It's the job,
it's a reality, it's a and and the only as
I said yesterday in a rant which went viral on
social media, the only unforgivable sin in coaching. I don't
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abide by this. Whatever is winning or losing, unforgivable sin
is losing. Don't believe me, guys have cheated their brains
out and got plenty of plenty of jobs. I have
plenty of jobs. Just win, baby. But the point is,
if you think James Franklin can't win, then why do
you win two big playoff games last year. If you
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want to fire them, you can just wait until a
more appropriate time and he can go through senior night,
he can coach out his team, he can shake all
their hands, and then there's still a connection to the university. Instead,
because donors are super bitter about the money that they
spent on the team and it not coming to national
championship fruition, they get mad and say, fire this guy
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now where I'm pulling my money, and athletic directors know
they no longer have the power, so they fire these
guys unwittingly, completely destroying any connection between alma mater or
the school and the player because now a good portion
of players are bitter and oh yeah, by the way,
those are your best salesmen to get your next players.
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Think about this, Okay, James frank is gonna get fifty
million dollars. His staff's all going to get paid out.
If you had just waited and their schedules really difficult,
if you had waited, and they win a couple games whatever,
and you fire him at the end of the year. Okay,
but you handle it with supreme class, and he say, coach,
this is gonna be your last game. We want you
to enjoy senior Night, Invite anybody you want. This is
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the decision we made. We want to let you coach
out the season. It's really really hard to argue with
that and with the players, because the players know how
it ends is more important than how it starts. So
my thing is, you've destroyed the program for a good
two years, and you've destroyed any connection between university and
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player because a lot of players are better because the
players are like, dude, we lost the game, and then
you just fire the coach. Here's Dan Patrick talking about
Brian Callahan's firing and removing head coaches during with young
developing quarterbacks.
Speaker 9 (19:42):
It's not fair to these quarterbacks. You know, Caleb Williams,
he's got some bad habits. But you know, remember Matt
eberflus I said you got to give him stability. I
didn't think he was a great coach, but if you're
going to keep him in there to have stability, great.
But these owners bring their coaches back and then they
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get rid of them halfway through the season. Was it
that tenuous to begin with? And if it was, then
don't bring him back. You're looking at these quarterbacks and
you're going, hey, go out there and be a star.
You know, Trevor Lawrence, he had Urban Meyer, Bryce Young,
Frank Reich, Caleb Williams, Matt Eberfluse, cam Ward, Brian Callahan.
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Do you see a theme here? You draft a quarterback
and then you have a coach, and then you fire
your coach. Four quarterbacks taken first overall have had their
head coach fired during their rookie season.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
That's the last four.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
I would say that. The one thing I agree again,
this is another one, like they're not very good, but
you're firing a guy who you brought him in because
he was a quarterback coach. You brought him in because
he was an offensive coordinator, like he should be Ward's guy.
The problem they ran into is Callahan was tired by
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a different general manager than the one who's the general
manager now, a different president whatever, and so they wanted
to bring in their guy. And again I don't understand
that one either, Like, dude, do the Titans think they're
gonna be good all of a sudden, but nobody wants
to accept blame for the fact that they've had you know,
three three general managers in like the last four years,
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and so you have a mishmasha parts around him. I
do think you can do this in pro football because
you're not signing with the team to play for a
head coach. I think the part that Dan's pointing out,
which is very smart, is wait, the reason that he
is the head coach is because of his work with quarterbacks.
And now, you know, a handful of games into a
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rookies first season, you're already changing. You know, the language
that the quarterback is going to get in his ear.
Here's Colin Cowhert talking about the Bears and Ben Johnson
last night.
Speaker 10 (22:04):
Is what the Bear should look like on most Sundays
or Mondays. That's what they should look like. Explosive. Man,
When your kid's gotten f's and d's, A B minus
feels pretty good, You're not gonna call the teacher, have
a parent teacher meeting.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
B minus.
Speaker 10 (22:23):
You'll settle for so.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
I think a lot of it.
Speaker 10 (22:25):
They're better statistically, their production's better, the look is better,
the vibe is better. The energy last night, I mean
they were coming out of their uniforms. They were flying
all over the field. Caleb Williams was good enough. He's
never going to be sixty nine percent completion guy. His
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ball placement is still mid, but he's gifted. He makes
all the throws. Last year they averaged eighteen point two.
This year twenty five point two. So between the organizational
structure improvement, the play design, and the play calling, the
Chicago Bears have found their coach and he's worth about
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a touchdown a game.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
To Caleb Williams, the last night was really really impressive win,
really impressive win. And they are They're three and two
and this is a team that has won their last
three games. But we also have to catch our breath
and go okay. Commanders are okay, not great this year.
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They got the Saints next, they have to win that game.
Saints are terrible. They're playing at home. Then they have
the Ravens who are down, but the Ravens are be
coming off a bye week and Lamar Jackson should be back.
Then the Bengals, who obviously are down. They have a
super soft schedule, a great opportunity. Again, I don't want
to judge Ben Johnson based upon his first five games
as head coach, nor should we judge Kayleb Williams based
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upon his first five games playing for Ben Johnson as
head coach. That's part of the problem. You have to
give things time to marinate. But keep in mind the
Bears back endo their schedule right, Steelers at Viking, Steelers
at Eagles at Packers, Browns, Packers at Niners. Although Niners
are depleted by injury, then Lions who destroyed them last time.
So we'll get tough down the stretch. But they can
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build up a little barrier there and may become a
playoff team. That's what the Fox said say.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
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Speaker 3 (24:31):
Find out who are what is annoying? Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
And now it's your annoying, Hey, Doug.
Speaker 7 (24:44):
We witnessed something yesterday that you almost never witness It
is Mike Tomlin calling out a the GM of a
division opponent when he talked about Andrew Berry, the GM
of the Browns trading Flacco in Division last week.
Speaker 8 (25:02):
You know, to be honest, it was shocking to me.
Andrew Berry must be a lot smarter than me or us,
because it doesn't make sense to me to trade a
quarterback that you think enough of to make your opening
day starter to a division opponent that's hurting in that area.
But that's just my personal.
Speaker 7 (25:16):
Feeling, which is great. I think Tom wins speaking his mind.
There's been a lot of theories on why he would
do this. I think I heard j Mack earlier say
that he must be afraid of the Bengals in Flacco,
which that's a weird one. My theory is that the
Browns are a laughing stock. You go back to almost
every decision they've made about the quarterback, beginning with the
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torment and end of Baker Mayfield, bringing in a someone
that the commissioner called a what do you call that
predator as a quarterback, giving him the most guaranteed money
in the history of football, and then the quarterback what
do you call it? Mary go round that's happened with
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this with this franchise over the past year. You put
Shador Sanders getting drafted in the fifth round after you
took a third rounder, the decision makers with the Browns
are laughing stock so much that it's risen to the
level that an opposing head coach is willing to make
fun of it.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Yeah, that's crazy, But I like, I don't. I don't
think he was making fun of it. I think he's pissed.
I think he's pissed. He's like that, you're giving them life,
You're giving them a chance. Why would you give them
a chance? That makes no sense. And we said at
the time, it's not crazy, it's the Browns.
Speaker 6 (26:39):
What else?
Speaker 7 (26:39):
Aaron Glenn has become maybe my favorite subject. What's his name?
Oj Mayo? And uh, what was the head coach that
they brought in, Urban Meyer? They didn't last more than
a year? Right, Mayo actually lasted to the end of
the year. Meyer did not. I have a feeling Aaron
Glen is going to go into that same category. I
just have a feel. And this is a kind of
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a one hit wonder, one year wonder. And it isn't
necessarily because he's a bad coach. I have no idea
about that. That's not my expertise. What my expertise is
is reading how coaches are dealing with the media. This
isn't Detroit anymore. He spent most of the game after
the game on Sunday kind of condescending the New York
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media when they were asking very acceptable questions about how
he handled the clock management, how he handled the last
play of the game, How you know is he thinking
about making a move with his starting quarterback that had
a net negative seven yards on Sunday, all these are
reasonable questions, and Aaron Glenn condescended his way through the
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entire press conference, and then all of a sudden, I
don't know if the GM got in his ear or
the owner got in his ear, or he slept on it,
and he just got a bout of good conscience, but
all of a sudden, Remember, Aaron Glenn said on Sunday
that he fully thought that the play at the end
of the first half where they didn't even get a
playoff and they just went to the half without trying
(28:06):
the Hail Mary, that was the call. And he condescended
the New York media saying that that was my call
and I stand by that, and then yesterday he said
the opposite.
Speaker 11 (28:15):
At that point, I thought it was a lot of
confusion going on because first down, no first down? I say, guys,
let's just get out the half right because we're getting
the ball in the second half. But yes, but I
would say, if I could take man, let's run it down.
Let's get ready to throw the hill.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Mary.
Speaker 11 (28:28):
So I'm with you on that. That's a mistake that
I made, and I hold myself accountable for that.
Speaker 7 (28:33):
This guy has become a circus. I know he told
the new players that is opening press conference, buckle up
for this ride. The ride is that you're going up
and down with the New York media, and that could
only mean that you're not going to last one. Like
you need to either learn how to deal with this
stuff or get it right.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Doug, agree with you. I totally agree with you. He
sounds fairly clownish there in his but I look I
like that he owned it. I just don't know why
it took him two days to own it. Well, he
didn't know in the during the time. Again, there are guys,
(29:11):
let me just point out something I don't know if
you know. In twenty ten, In twenty ten, Duke won
the national championship. That's when Gordon Hayward missed the half
court shot went off the back rim. But the reason
that Gordon Hayward shot would have won the game was
because Mike Skrzyzewski, I think it's Brian Zubek was the
starting center for Duke. He made the first free throw
(29:31):
and Duke told him to miss the second free throw intentionally.
And the logic behind it, I guess, was that if
you give Butler the ball out of bounds, Brad Stevens
got like the best in bounced plays, and this start
as soon as you rebound the ball, it starts the clock,
so it shortens the amount of time you have to
(29:53):
get a shot off. The problem with that logic is
it didn't take score into effect. Where the rule I
believe and I think coach Ka believes now is if
you have a chance to get to three, well, then
you get it to three. Always. If it's one to two,
then you miss the free throw right because you want
the clock to start and it shortens the amount of
(30:15):
time he got play defense, which increases the likelihood of
a win. But if it's two to three, you make
the free throw because then even if he throws in
the half court shot, you go to overtime. The point
is that Mike Krzyzewsky is arguably or inarguably the greatest
college basketball coach ever. He's been the coach of Team
USA's Redeemed team, and he fucked it up. And if
(30:38):
you listen to the postgame commentary act where he's like, yeah,
that's what we did. I don't know if we do
it again. That was his way. And I'm sure if
you asked him like a month later, you'd be like, yeah,
we should have done that. So I bring that up
because even the best will make mistakes. This one feels
a little bit egregious because all of us know you
(31:00):
line up for the Hail Mary. I don't mind that
he admitted the mistake. It was a little bit more
of the defiance in it exactly right, and the way
in which he he didn't, Hey, you know, I might.
All you gotta say is like, I might have sucked
that up, and I think people would understand.
Speaker 6 (31:18):
Yep.
Speaker 7 (31:18):
He needs to learn that treating a question like it's
a question and not an accusation is the way to
succeed in this business. Great, Yeah, Ti Oscar Hernandez, this
is a I'm sorry, Doug, but this is something that
I'm so passionate about, something that I am so anxious
to get off my chest. I'm going to ask for
two things from you, and don't I usually don't do this.
(31:40):
I'm going to ask for the room in order for
me to get this off my chest. And I would
like to bring in coworker Ryan Berschinger. Not only is
Ryan Berschinger a smart, hard working producer at this network,
he also hosts a Dodger podcast. Ryan, Thank you for
joining in the bonus. What is the name of your podcast?
(32:03):
How can we find it? And who else appears?
Speaker 6 (32:06):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (32:06):
Thank you very much. It is the Sick Podcast, The
Dodger Zone. It is myself, Bo Benzon and Moncy Bolano.
So you can find it on YouTube, Spotify, Apple, wherever
you get your podcast.
Speaker 7 (32:14):
So inevitably, if you haven't already, your next podcast is
going to talk about this one play. And I want
to tell you about this play from my perspective, nobody
listening to this needs to agree with me, but you
at least need to validate my point. So last night
it was bases loaded, uh, one out, bases loaded, one out.
(32:35):
Max Mounsey at the plate and this happened.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
One oher. He is a fly ball to center.
Speaker 6 (32:42):
It's hit pretty well.
Speaker 10 (32:43):
Freelix back Freelix hit the track, Freelix settling up at
the wall, he jumps up, Hendy caught it.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Oh he bottled it, but.
Speaker 6 (32:50):
He ended up catching it.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Tagging a thirtis Fernandez.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Here's the throw home and he is going to be
out at the plate. So now the Brewers are going
to have a another out at third is contrast is.
Speaker 10 (33:01):
Gonna run to the bag and dubble them off, and
the Brewers are going to get out.
Speaker 6 (33:08):
Of this setting.
Speaker 7 (33:09):
Okay, So that was one thing, and then there's what
happened afterwards. So so sports Twitter their take was Wow,
what a wild play, crazy play. Most of the blue
check mark the influencers never seen him play like that.
That's wild. And I will I'll tell I tell young
(33:31):
broadcasters this. Saying something's wild is not a take. That's
not that's not interesting. You have to explain why it's wild.
And let me tell you what made this play wild.
And if one person did their job, it wouldn't have
been wild or crazy. It was due to the demassary
of one player, and that's ti Oscar Hernandez rewinded a
(33:52):
little bit. Ti Oscar is the one on third base
bases loaded. Okay, flybou to center field. The rule the
rule book states, and this is what we are trained
from Little League. The rule book states that you need
to tag and then you are free to release. When
the ball just touches the outfielder's glove. All it's got
(34:12):
to do is touch. It doesn't matter if it's bobbled,
if it's dropped, if it goes off the wall like
it did last night. All it has to do is
initially touch the glove, and ti Oscar Hernandez can run
home and score. What did to do? Well, He tagged,
he saw it go off the glove, and then he hesitated,
and then the ball was caught again, and he went
(34:33):
back to the bag and he had to run, and
he was the fucking victim of an eight six' two put.
Out the reason why you've never seen that in the
history of, baseball a force play that is an eight six'
to two is Because Ti oscar hernandez is a. Fucking
idiot dodger Fans and I'm Sure ryan bershing around, his
(34:57):
podcast we all have complicated re Relationships With. Gioscar hernandez
he is one of our most. Clutch hitters we can't
not have him in, the lineup but he doesn't belong on.
A field he does not have the defensive skill set
to play outfield in. The majors and if we didn't
have a once in a, generation hitter that has to
(35:19):
be our FULL. Time Dh ti oscar is A Natural
Dh tioscar hernandez always also makes awful base. Running decisions
i'm guessing he has A, low iq especially at times
when it matters. Like this you cannot put any crazy
on that play last Night If Ti oscar hernandez knows
(35:42):
the rule and partakes in, The Rule dave roberts much
to my much to. My chagrin by, The, way doug
and this is a part OF what i hated about
this is that Your Guy, Brian Anderson jeff Francour And
ron darling did not focus on this at all. Last
night they basically were in the That was, crazy club
(36:03):
which isn't. A take, they never they never even they
have an entire you do, Live. Broadcast doug you have
an entire truck of producers whose job it is to
produce segments that are interesting to, the viewers that explain
to viewers. What happened all viewers last night were scratching.
Their head how does? That happen why was that? So
(36:24):
wild WHY doesn't tbs spend time a couple's innings later
doing a deep dive? On this and it all goes
back To Fucking Ti. Oscar HERNANDEZ and i will say
this that it's not completely unforgivable THAT the tbs guys didn't.
DO it i will. Say This dave roberts was asked
about it afterwards and he, SAID this i just.
Speaker 6 (36:45):
Wonder what you saw on that kind of weird.
Speaker 7 (36:47):
Double play did you figure it out as it was,
going on or it happened so fast you didn't even
realize what.
Speaker 12 (36:51):
Was happening it, HAPPENED fast i didn't know he didn't.
Catch it to be, quite honest we go over. That
rule tail knows. THE rule i think. Right there he
just had a little bit of a, brain fart appreciating
that when it does hit the glove it's going to
you can. Tag there but then he tagged did? It correctly,
then saw, you know he didn't catch it and went
back and that was.
Speaker 7 (37:12):
The mistake so when, IT happened i went On my
dodgers group TEXT and, i said if too tags, and
runs we don't have this, fucking wild. SHITTY play I
think i went on the group text with the show
group text and said the same thing in THE moment
i was saying that on the. Group text why does
me on my COUCH and i didn't play high school
(37:32):
past varsity in baseball in? High school WHY did i point?
That out and there's three people on the broadcast and
all the producers in the truck whose sole job it
is to explain to the viewers what happened in, this
situation and they. Missed it they never went back. To
it at the end of, the game As the dodgers bullpen,
is imploding the, Specific, said oh it's a good Thing
(37:55):
that mooki took that ball four with bases loaded and
gave him an. Insurance run how? About this and it's
also a fucking great thing That Ti oscar hernandez didn't
tag up the right way And the dodgers would have
had an extra run and this bullpen wouldn't be sweating
this out the way. It, is Again Ti oscar hernandez.
Is annoying he is a, dumb shit and at the
(38:19):
SAME time i love him because he hits the shit on,
the ball especially in, The Postseason, ryan BERSCHINGER did i get?
Speaker 4 (38:24):
Anything, Wrong, NO no i think that's a very very
strong assessment Because Ultimately max muntsey hit a ball as
far as you possibly Can In miller park without it
going over, the fence And Somehow tioscar hernandez did not score.
On it that ultimately is. IS insane i do want
to to credit then this, entire situation like weird things
(38:47):
like this have happened With the dodgers in, the past
and typically they lose those sort of. Postseason games this
just shows just how good this team is because what
happened then Is, the brewers, in essence had the momentum,
going right the crowd was, going insane every everything, was
wild And Then blake snell comes OUT and i believe
he got out of the inning on. Eight pitches Like
(39:07):
He blake snell was so incredible last night that he
was completely unfazed by the chaotic nature of. That moment
even though every other person watching, the game every other
person in the ballpark was so thrown off and so
shaken up by how wild, It Was blake snell, remained
calm took, the mound and continued His dominance that was
really incredible. To watch, but yes to your Point On,
ANTEO jason i think it's it's completely correct because there's
(39:31):
no reason for him not to score there if it's caught.
Or not the fact that he doubled back for no
reason just completely could have easily ruined the game and the.
ENTIRE series.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
I don't need to add anything. At all who else is?
Annoying you or do we need to just do we
need to, Just, go Hey.
Speaker 10 (39:48):
It's.
Speaker 6 (39:48):
TASKER yeah i think we can Name. TI oscar i.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
Think so you can yell It out tasker and as.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Your annoy.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Are we?
Speaker 1 (40:03):
DOING this i do because we can.
Speaker 7 (40:11):
Uh no sports with, This. ONE doug i Just Saw
quentin tarantino, say Something and, i'm like that is. So
brilliant that is so BRILLIANT that i want to play
it on the Podcast.
Speaker 13 (40:22):
Making, movies well what the fuck is the?
Speaker 6 (40:23):
Movie, now okay what the fuck is the?
Speaker 13 (40:25):
Movie now what's something that plays in theaters for a
token release for four? Fucking weeks, all right and by
the second week you can watch it. ON television i
didn't get into all this for. DIMINISHING returns i mean
it was bad enough in twenty nineteen and that was
the last fucking year, of movies, All right and that
was and that was a shiit deal as FAR as i,
was concerned the fact that it's gotten drastically worse and
(40:49):
that it's just it's a it's a show pony exercise
now the, theatrical.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Release, so true. So TRUE although i will Tell you
i've been to like three movies in the last couple
of WEEKS and i still love, the movies even if
it's EMPTY when i. Go in how can we play it?
For you why do you play it? For you because.
We can that's it for. The End The. Modus podcast
check on the radio show every day three To five
eastern Twelve, Two Pacific Fox. Sports radio. iHeartRadio App I'm
doug godli
Alright, this is the Doug gottlie Show. Heres in the
bonus with Doug gottl.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
What up, Doug gottlieb shout Fox Sports Radio. It never
ever fails, never ever, never right, remember fails.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
What is it? Ah, the decisions on a star pitcher
in baseball. I mean, like, look, the Brewers, it's kind
of what they've done. They have the opener, don't extend
the starter. But the Dodgers, and we'll get Jay steal
In on this, uh some as well. We got him
in on the on the radio show. But it never fails.
And you know, it's one of those things you're you
(00:47):
are damned if you do, damn if you don't. The
Dodgers Blake Snell was, I mean rolling right, twenty four up,
twenty four down, he picks off the only guy he
lets on with it hit. I mean, the whole thing
is fantastic. And then you get to the ninth inning
and you know, Dave Roberts came over to him and
said he was done. So it was they didn't do
the Pedro Martinez in two thousand and three, which is teleguy,
(01:07):
he's done. And then when you get you know, you
get an extra run. Then you add on You're like, well,
I'll go back out there close now. Now you know,
I don't know who makes the decision for the Dodgers.
I'm very reasonable, and I think most people think that
this is these are decisions that are made from above
the pay grade of Dave Roberts. But it's interesting, like
(01:28):
there feels like there's a common sense element which continues
to be missing. And the common sense element is they
can't hit Blake's now now they have data that obviously
told them now is the time to make the change.
But I mean, he was so efficient and so unhittable,
and you have so many questions about the bullpen, and
(01:48):
all those questions you got the answer.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
No.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
I mean, let's just be honest. The Dodgers were very
very lucky, very very lucky. And Blake Sneill throws one
hundred and three pitches. It's a lot. Throws sixty nine strikes,
also a lot. So I mean you mean to tell
me that you can't You have a rookie closer in
Rookie Susaki, who you had earned the right to get
(02:16):
that spot. But he was super tight. He threw ten
strikes and twenty through two pitches and they end up
getting it out and they have to go to to
trying in order to save the day, and he again, frankly,
got really lucky, really lucky that they didn't step into
one and take a hit by pitch and then it's
(02:38):
a tie game and it probably spirals out of control
for the Dodgers. But that's a hard one, right, It's
a really hard one. Do you you know? Do you
and this is an honest question that I don't know
the answer to. Do you take him out and live
(03:00):
with the results of the bullpen and stick to your
process or do you? I mean, my thing would be
and this is in basketball. We have this. It's like
when do you sub when guys get tired? You know?
Do you sub before they get tired? Do you try
and time out as they're getting tired? Do you think
they get tired? Do you have a pre planned substitution
pattern or do you go by feel And you're like, well,
(03:20):
I know they're tired, but so is the other team.
And we have momentum. The Dodgers had momentum and the
the Brewers could not hit Blake Snow. It wasn't like
they were hitting him hard. And you know, they got
lucky with a couple of great defensive plays. They just
weren't ten strikeouts. They're not putting bats on balls. They
hadn't figured out his curveball, and he wasn't missing with it. Now.
(03:44):
The second thing that happens all the time is a
closer walks the first batter. Anytime like the walking the
first batter is a lot like the first person that
appears to not be a main character in a horror movie.
You know they're going to get murdered in that first scene.
Everything that happened last night between the Dodgers and the
Brewers going into and out of the ninth inning is
(04:07):
like out of Central casting. This is how it always happens.
We shouldn't act surprise. It was amazing. I feel bad
for the Brewers because they just hung in there, hung
in there, and the pitching wasn't bad. Giving up that
add on run, you know, ultimately was the difference. But
(04:28):
the leadoff walk, the way in which they played it,
step into it and you'd, you know, get hit by
a pitch instead you strike out. I don't know that
was That was as cliche an October baseball game as
you're going to get and oftentimes those games are the
ones that decide series and World Series champion. And so
(04:50):
my guess is that's what happens for the Dodgers. They escaped.
Now do they have a more or less faith in
their bullpen to day less? And we have no idea
what Blake Snell's gonna be like like second time round.
On the other hand, that's why they got Blake Snell
because he did that exact same thing to the Dodgers
(05:11):
in the COVID World Series, was completely unhittable, and then
his bullpen fell apart. Gotta love October Baseball.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
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Speaker 3 (05:27):
Let's get to what the Foxes and now Fox say
every day, This time the Doug Gotlby Show. In the
Bonus podcast, we played for you at previous portion of
a Fox Sports Warner Fox Sports Radio show. Here's our guy,
Rob Parker. He had this response to my rant on
James Franklin yesterday.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
I'm gonna rag on Doug Gottlieb and I have to
what what's the name of a segment because Doug does
it on his show What does the Fox Say? He
listens to like what we might outtake, and then he
kind of takes us the task on his show, which
is fun. I'm good, this is all game. We're on
the air. And that has with James Franklin. What do
(06:07):
you think? Like he's so bent out of shape that
Penn State fired Ben frank Ben Franklin, James Franklin.
Speaker 6 (06:14):
And and Doug. I get it.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
Doug's a coach who hasn't won, so he's making it
like like he can say what ye.
Speaker 6 (06:23):
As hard as he can make whatever.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
I get it. But it sounds bad. It just sounds
bad because he's like, well, where's the honor in that?
And now blah blah blah, dude, And we say it
on this show all the time. Sports has a short
menu wins and losses, and when you don't win enough,
guess what you get fired?
Speaker 6 (06:42):
So I get it. But Doug is.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
Trying to like, oh my god, it's so James frankl
look at up what he's done and is that dumb?
Speaker 6 (06:49):
That honor or whatever? Dude? Stop, Okay, I get it.
Speaker 7 (06:55):
Doug.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
You're a coach, You're a I know you have a
radio show, but you're a coach and you're team won
two games last year.
Speaker 6 (07:01):
So he's trying to like, well, it's.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
Not always about winning, no, no, dog, I hate to
break it to you.
Speaker 6 (07:08):
It's about winning.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
And when you win, you can do almost anything, and
they will bring you back. They'll bend over backwards, Calvin.
And when you don't win, guess what they go get
somebody else.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Okay, a couple of things Rob. First of all, I
do like Rob. Most of his takes contradict his other takes.
Or the example is he always wants to fire everybody.
He's a fire everybody guy, fire everybody guy, right, but
he here's the easy contradiction in Rob, which is he's
always called, uh, Tom Brady the luckiest guy of all time,
(07:46):
the lot right, luckiest of all time. And yet then
he says that Bill Belichick's a fraud. Right, So if
Brady was lucky and Belichick's a fraud, how the fuck
did they go to ten Super Bowls or nine Super
Bowls and win six of them? Doesn't make any sense. Okay.
The other part with Rob is he hadn't really been
around real sports respectfully. We won four games and while
(08:09):
that may sound like a infinitesimal amount, okay, not knowing
or understanding. I don't give a shit. Okay, Dick Bennett's
the greatest coach here. He won five games his first year,
lots of guys first year. When he got five guys,
and you get the job, you gotta throw a shit together.
This is not about being a coach. And this is
where he didn't listen to the entirety of the rant.
I didn't say, you can't fire James Franklin. Okay, you
(08:31):
want pay James Franklin fifty million dollars, not coach. Fuck
James Franklin, thank you. And as long as he doesn't
have as long as he doesn't have a clause where
he can go out, he doesn't have offset like he's great,
Like you wanna fire me, fine, fucking fire me. I'll
go get another job. Don't care. This is not about
getting again. You did not listen. You just maybe heard
(08:53):
a blip, which is okay. I don't know how has
played for him in studio. They might have just played
the part where I said Penn stand has Penn State
likes to purport themselves as being this honorable, holier than
now program, and they're not. They're just like everybody else.
It's about winning and losing, which is exactly what I said,
which actually is in lockstep with what Rob said. My
(09:14):
point is and remains, and I know it's fucking true
because I fucking live it. I know that if you
don't win, you get fired. I know you got to
build and get better and better. If you want to
say James Franklin hasn't won or James Franklin has Is
Penn State better now than when he took it over? Yes?
Are the Are they to the level that you expect
them to be? Maybe not? Okay, last year they got
to the College Wall Playoff. They won two games in
(09:35):
the Collegewell Playoff, So we obviously have no memory. And
that does not create any sort of equity within programs.
It's you have to win every year, is what you're saying,
which again is not really a reality. It's just not
because guys get hurt.
Speaker 8 (09:52):
Right.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
We could go through each of these different things and
we go like, all right, So like James Franklin, between
James Franklin being fired and being the head coach is
really one play versus organ That's it. That's how close
it was. You know, they lost in overtime to Oregon
at home. They don't lose that game. Who knows what
happens at UCLA and Northwestern again, it took the life
(10:14):
out of them. But that's okay. You're allowed to fire
James Franklin. You're allowed to fire Mike Gundy. You're allowed
to fire Deshaun Foster. You're allowed to fire all these guys.
But understanding the landscape of what you're actually doing, okay,
when you're in charge, just like when you're a coach,
just like when you're an administrator, Just like when you're
(10:35):
running a radio show and you get you're all emotional
and you're all fired up, you still have to have
the balance of Okay, how does this affect the entire
chess board? So in Rob Parker's mind, James Franklin loses.
He's a fucking loser. Get rid of him. Forget about
the fact that he won last year, Forget that the
program is way better than it was when he took
it over. He's had plenty of time and you want
(10:57):
to pay him fifty million dollars? Great, why'd you have
to fire him this week? Why? What good has been
done right when you're at when you're at Penn State, Okay,
you're not getting a new coach until you're going to
(11:21):
hire a sitting head coach. A sitting head coach now
if you already had one planned, or you want to
hire somebody early and you want to pay for them
and they can get ahead of it now, that would
be a very interesting plan and one that I could
probably get my head around, which is, hey, they hired
a guy in November and he's the sitting head coach,
and he's gonna be able to load up on players
(11:43):
and go around the country and recruit right, because you're
basically recruiting off other people's rosters and put together a portal,
put together staff, put together a plan, by my estimation,
the smartest way to get Penn State back quickly because
you just destroyed the program. Understand, when you fire a coach,
especially mid season, you have fucking destroyed the program. You
(12:04):
have lit a match and that thing is on fire.
And you may be okay with that, okay, but understand
what that means. That means you are not gonna be
good this year, You're not gonna be good next year,
and you're hoping that two years from now you can
get back to being the level that you're at now.
And you're like, wait, how do you know that? Because
you're gonna have to get seventy new guys, you'll have
(12:27):
twenty or twenty five that love Penn State that want
to stay there. The rest of them are like, fuck this,
I'm out. And because you fired James Franklin already that
everybody who has eligibility has been contacted by somebody already.
They're all in the portal. Even though they changed the
rule and said they can't get in the portal the
thirty day portal window. Anyway, it doesn't matter. They're all
(12:48):
out there, they're all get in contact. You've lost your
entire roster. So the only way to soften that. And
I again, I'm only saying this because I actually know
what the fuck I'm talking about. If I could do
it again, Hey, I got hired late, but I should
have hired a quality D two head coach, not just
(13:12):
help me coach, but to bring his team with him
so that we have some culture, so that we have
some balance, so that we have a way in which
we do things. Because the first year, when you go
out and you get to the portal. You still haven't
figured out your place, you haven't figured out your league,
you haven't figured out the money, you haven't figured anything out.
It's the first year is really hard. Bill Belichick's like,
do we think Bill Belichick's a fucking idiot? No, this
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team done any good? Why because they didn't have any
understanding of putting together team, what it was gonna look like,
what the level's like, what's it like in the portal?
Who do you want to recruit? It takes time. You
don't automatically wake up in this whole new landscape and
figured the fuck out. So if you're gonna hire Matt
Ruhle from Nebraska, Okay, that isn't gonna happen. Between now
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and when Nebraska last game of the season, nothing changes.
The only thing you've done is light a match to
this season and told those players we don't give a
fuck about you and your college experience. That's what you've
told them. And what I'm saying to you, Rob is that.
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And I know because I've been to these institutions and
I actually drink the kool aid right again. And some
of this is to Mike Gundy firing, Like there's literally
fifteen thousand people in it that go to the games
at Oklahoma State. Now the whole season they're sold out.
It's like sixty thousand people. They get like fifteen to
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twenty thousand people. And again, if you don't know, you're like, well,
Mike Gundy sucks. Well, now he was a great coach,
and then all of a sudden they're not good. Why
didn't have any money previously and this year they got
some money, didn't have a great team, but the quarterback
got hurt three series into the season, and they paid
the quarterback like a million and he comes over with
the offensive coordinator. You take away the quarterback, and now
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of a sudden they don't have a quality back up
and now they're on the third string and all they
had was walk ons because they ran out of money,
so they put a wide receiver at quarterback last game.
In other words, it's a complete shit show. They have
a terrible football team from what was a great program.
Now does that mean they would have been better with
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Mike Gundy? Modestly, but you you told they've also had
three or four guys put themselves in the portal before
this new rules passed, So you've told those players, you're
done here. We don't give a shit about you. And
by the way, my Gundy is one of your most
famous lums and been there for twenty years, Like, did
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you really have to fire him? Did you have to
go to him? Suppose they went to him like, hey,
you can coach out the year, will itch and you
can retire or will fire you? Now, why did you
have to go to him? Just if you're gonna fire him,
just wait till the end of the year and say, hey,
senior night, last game, we're done here, we'll pay you
the check. Why do you why'd you have to be
so impetuous? What so you can go and evaluate Zach Robinson,
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who's the offensive coordinator and was a great quarterback and player,
and his mom's an alum and he's an alum. No,
you could have done that anyway. And by the way,
you're gonna ask Zach Robinson to leave his team in
Atlanta and all of a sudden get into the portal
Like maybe, but that's a hard one. What if they're
in the playoff runt? So my point, Rob is that
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in addition to getting our record wrong, and while you
think four wins is shitty, four wins is not good enough.
The one difference in US and many other teams at
our level was we had four wins and injuries and
I'm not gonna make excuse for it, but they were
four Division one wins. Most teams that finished with five
or six or seven wins, they have three or four
non Division one wins. We didn't have any last year,
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only played one nine one. We lost. But it's because
I understand how it all actually works. I understand how
hard that first year is of putting these together in
the portal. And I understand that when you sell a
you sell kids play on a belief in a place
being different than others. You've completely destroyed it with your actions.
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So I have never said you can't fire coaches. We
are all as coaches, just coaching until we get fired.
We get it. Okay, that's the job. It's the job,
it's a reality, it's a and and the only as
I said yesterday in a rant which went viral on
social media, the only unforgivable sin in coaching. I don't
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abide by this. Whatever is winning or losing, unforgivable sin
is losing. Don't believe me, guys have cheated their brains
out and got plenty of plenty of jobs. I have
plenty of jobs. Just win, baby. But the point is,
if you think James Franklin can't win, then why do
you win two big playoff games last year. If you
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want to fire them, you can just wait until a
more appropriate time and he can go through senior night,
he can coach out his team, he can shake all
their hands, and then there's still a connection to the university. Instead,
because donors are super bitter about the money that they
spent on the team and it not coming to national
championship fruition, they get mad and say, fire this guy
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now where I'm pulling my money, and athletic directors know
they no longer have the power, so they fire these
guys unwittingly, completely destroying any connection between alma mater or
the school and the player because now a good portion
of players are bitter and oh yeah, by the way,
those are your best salesmen to get your next players.
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Think about this, Okay, James frank is gonna get fifty
million dollars. His staff's all going to get paid out.
If you had just waited and their schedules really difficult,
if you had waited, and they win a couple games whatever,
and you fire him at the end of the year. Okay,
but you handle it with supreme class, and he say, coach,
this is gonna be your last game. We want you
to enjoy senior Night, Invite anybody you want. This is
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the decision we made. We want to let you coach
out the season. It's really really hard to argue with
that and with the players, because the players know how
it ends is more important than how it starts. So
my thing is, you've destroyed the program for a good
two years, and you've destroyed any connection between university and
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player because a lot of players are better because the
players are like, dude, we lost the game, and then
you just fire the coach. Here's Dan Patrick talking about
Brian Callahan's firing and removing head coaches during with young
developing quarterbacks.
Speaker 9 (19:42):
It's not fair to these quarterbacks. You know, Caleb Williams,
he's got some bad habits. But you know, remember Matt
eberflus I said you got to give him stability. I
didn't think he was a great coach, but if you're
going to keep him in there to have stability, great.
But these owners bring their coaches back and then they
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get rid of them halfway through the season. Was it
that tenuous to begin with? And if it was, then
don't bring him back. You're looking at these quarterbacks and
you're going, hey, go out there and be a star.
You know, Trevor Lawrence, he had Urban Meyer, Bryce Young,
Frank Reich, Caleb Williams, Matt Eberfluse, cam Ward, Brian Callahan.
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Do you see a theme here? You draft a quarterback
and then you have a coach, and then you fire
your coach. Four quarterbacks taken first overall have had their
head coach fired during their rookie season.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
That's the last four.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
I would say that. The one thing I agree again,
this is another one, like they're not very good, but
you're firing a guy who you brought him in because
he was a quarterback coach. You brought him in because
he was an offensive coordinator, like he should be Ward's guy.
The problem they ran into is Callahan was tired by
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a different general manager than the one who's the general
manager now, a different president whatever, and so they wanted
to bring in their guy. And again I don't understand
that one either, Like, dude, do the Titans think they're
gonna be good all of a sudden, but nobody wants
to accept blame for the fact that they've had you know,
three three general managers in like the last four years,
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and so you have a mishmasha parts around him. I
do think you can do this in pro football because
you're not signing with the team to play for a
head coach. I think the part that Dan's pointing out,
which is very smart, is wait, the reason that he
is the head coach is because of his work with quarterbacks.
And now, you know, a handful of games into a
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rookies first season, you're already changing. You know, the language
that the quarterback is going to get in his ear.
Here's Colin Cowhert talking about the Bears and Ben Johnson
last night.
Speaker 10 (22:04):
Is what the Bear should look like on most Sundays
or Mondays. That's what they should look like. Explosive. Man,
When your kid's gotten f's and d's, A B minus
feels pretty good, You're not gonna call the teacher, have
a parent teacher meeting.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
B minus.
Speaker 10 (22:23):
You'll settle for so.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
I think a lot of it.
Speaker 10 (22:25):
They're better statistically, their production's better, the look is better,
the vibe is better. The energy last night, I mean
they were coming out of their uniforms. They were flying
all over the field. Caleb Williams was good enough. He's
never going to be sixty nine percent completion guy. His
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ball placement is still mid, but he's gifted. He makes
all the throws. Last year they averaged eighteen point two.
This year twenty five point two. So between the organizational
structure improvement, the play design, and the play calling, the
Chicago Bears have found their coach and he's worth about
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a touchdown a game.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
To Caleb Williams, the last night was really really impressive win,
really impressive win. And they are They're three and two
and this is a team that has won their last
three games. But we also have to catch our breath
and go okay. Commanders are okay, not great this year.
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They got the Saints next, they have to win that game.
Saints are terrible. They're playing at home. Then they have
the Ravens who are down, but the Ravens are be
coming off a bye week and Lamar Jackson should be back.
Then the Bengals, who obviously are down. They have a
super soft schedule, a great opportunity. Again, I don't want
to judge Ben Johnson based upon his first five games
as head coach, nor should we judge Kayleb Williams based
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upon his first five games playing for Ben Johnson as
head coach. That's part of the problem. You have to
give things time to marinate. But keep in mind the
Bears back endo their schedule right, Steelers at Viking, Steelers
at Eagles at Packers, Browns, Packers at Niners. Although Niners
are depleted by injury, then Lions who destroyed them last time.
So we'll get tough down the stretch. But they can
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build up a little barrier there and may become a
playoff team. That's what the Fox said say.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
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Speaker 3 (24:31):
Find out who are what is annoying? Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
And now it's your annoying, Hey, Doug.
Speaker 7 (24:44):
We witnessed something yesterday that you almost never witness It
is Mike Tomlin calling out a the GM of a
division opponent when he talked about Andrew Berry, the GM
of the Browns trading Flacco in Division last week.
Speaker 8 (25:02):
You know, to be honest, it was shocking to me.
Andrew Berry must be a lot smarter than me or us,
because it doesn't make sense to me to trade a
quarterback that you think enough of to make your opening
day starter to a division opponent that's hurting in that area.
But that's just my personal.
Speaker 7 (25:16):
Feeling, which is great. I think Tom wins speaking his mind.
There's been a lot of theories on why he would
do this. I think I heard j Mack earlier say
that he must be afraid of the Bengals in Flacco,
which that's a weird one. My theory is that the
Browns are a laughing stock. You go back to almost
every decision they've made about the quarterback, beginning with the
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torment and end of Baker Mayfield, bringing in a someone
that the commissioner called a what do you call that
predator as a quarterback, giving him the most guaranteed money
in the history of football, and then the quarterback what
do you call it? Mary go round that's happened with
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this with this franchise over the past year. You put
Shador Sanders getting drafted in the fifth round after you
took a third rounder, the decision makers with the Browns
are laughing stock so much that it's risen to the
level that an opposing head coach is willing to make
fun of it.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Yeah, that's crazy, But I like, I don't. I don't
think he was making fun of it. I think he's pissed.
I think he's pissed. He's like that, you're giving them life,
You're giving them a chance. Why would you give them
a chance? That makes no sense. And we said at
the time, it's not crazy, it's the Browns.
Speaker 6 (26:39):
What else?
Speaker 7 (26:39):
Aaron Glenn has become maybe my favorite subject. What's his name?
Oj Mayo? And uh, what was the head coach that
they brought in, Urban Meyer? They didn't last more than
a year? Right, Mayo actually lasted to the end of
the year. Meyer did not. I have a feeling Aaron
Glen is going to go into that same category. I
just have a feel. And this is a kind of
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a one hit wonder, one year wonder. And it isn't
necessarily because he's a bad coach. I have no idea
about that. That's not my expertise. What my expertise is
is reading how coaches are dealing with the media. This
isn't Detroit anymore. He spent most of the game after
the game on Sunday kind of condescending the New York
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media when they were asking very acceptable questions about how
he handled the clock management, how he handled the last
play of the game, How you know is he thinking
about making a move with his starting quarterback that had
a net negative seven yards on Sunday, all these are
reasonable questions, and Aaron Glenn condescended his way through the
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entire press conference, and then all of a sudden, I
don't know if the GM got in his ear or
the owner got in his ear, or he slept on it,
and he just got a bout of good conscience, but
all of a sudden, Remember, Aaron Glenn said on Sunday
that he fully thought that the play at the end
of the first half where they didn't even get a
playoff and they just went to the half without trying
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the Hail Mary, that was the call. And he condescended
the New York media saying that that was my call
and I stand by that, and then yesterday he said
the opposite.
Speaker 11 (28:15):
At that point, I thought it was a lot of
confusion going on because first down, no first down? I say, guys,
let's just get out the half right because we're getting
the ball in the second half. But yes, but I
would say, if I could take man, let's run it down.
Let's get ready to throw the hill.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Mary.
Speaker 11 (28:28):
So I'm with you on that. That's a mistake that
I made, and I hold myself accountable for that.
Speaker 7 (28:33):
This guy has become a circus. I know he told
the new players that is opening press conference, buckle up
for this ride. The ride is that you're going up
and down with the New York media, and that could
only mean that you're not going to last one. Like
you need to either learn how to deal with this
stuff or get it right.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Doug, agree with you. I totally agree with you. He
sounds fairly clownish there in his but I look I
like that he owned it. I just don't know why
it took him two days to own it. Well, he
didn't know in the during the time. Again, there are guys,
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let me just point out something I don't know if
you know. In twenty ten, In twenty ten, Duke won
the national championship. That's when Gordon Hayward missed the half
court shot went off the back rim. But the reason
that Gordon Hayward shot would have won the game was
because Mike Skrzyzewski, I think it's Brian Zubek was the
starting center for Duke. He made the first free throw
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and Duke told him to miss the second free throw intentionally.
And the logic behind it, I guess, was that if
you give Butler the ball out of bounds, Brad Stevens
got like the best in bounced plays, and this start
as soon as you rebound the ball, it starts the clock,
so it shortens the amount of time you have to
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get a shot off. The problem with that logic is
it didn't take score into effect. Where the rule I
believe and I think coach Ka believes now is if
you have a chance to get to three, well, then
you get it to three. Always. If it's one to two,
then you miss the free throw right because you want
the clock to start and it shortens the amount of
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time he got play defense, which increases the likelihood of
a win. But if it's two to three, you make
the free throw because then even if he throws in
the half court shot, you go to overtime. The point
is that Mike Krzyzewsky is arguably or inarguably the greatest
college basketball coach ever. He's been the coach of Team
USA's Redeemed team, and he fucked it up. And if
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you listen to the postgame commentary act where he's like, yeah,
that's what we did. I don't know if we do
it again. That was his way. And I'm sure if
you asked him like a month later, you'd be like, yeah,
we should have done that. So I bring that up
because even the best will make mistakes. This one feels
a little bit egregious because all of us know you
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line up for the Hail Mary. I don't mind that
he admitted the mistake. It was a little bit more
of the defiance in it exactly right, and the way
in which he he didn't, Hey, you know, I might.
All you gotta say is like, I might have sucked
that up, and I think people would understand.
Speaker 6 (31:18):
Yep.
Speaker 7 (31:18):
He needs to learn that treating a question like it's
a question and not an accusation is the way to
succeed in this business. Great, Yeah, Ti Oscar Hernandez, this
is a I'm sorry, Doug, but this is something that
I'm so passionate about, something that I am so anxious
to get off my chest. I'm going to ask for
two things from you, and don't I usually don't do this.
(31:40):
I'm going to ask for the room in order for
me to get this off my chest. And I would
like to bring in coworker Ryan Berschinger. Not only is
Ryan Berschinger a smart, hard working producer at this network,
he also hosts a Dodger podcast. Ryan, Thank you for
joining in the bonus. What is the name of your podcast?
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How can we find it? And who else appears?
Speaker 6 (32:06):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (32:06):
Thank you very much. It is the Sick Podcast, The
Dodger Zone. It is myself, Bo Benzon and Moncy Bolano.
So you can find it on YouTube, Spotify, Apple, wherever
you get your podcast.
Speaker 7 (32:14):
So inevitably, if you haven't already, your next podcast is
going to talk about this one play. And I want
to tell you about this play from my perspective, nobody
listening to this needs to agree with me, but you
at least need to validate my point. So last night
it was bases loaded, uh, one out, bases loaded, one out.
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Max Mounsey at the plate and this happened.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
One oher. He is a fly ball to center.
Speaker 6 (32:42):
It's hit pretty well.
Speaker 10 (32:43):
Freelix back Freelix hit the track, Freelix settling up at
the wall, he jumps up, Hendy caught it.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Oh he bottled it, but.
Speaker 6 (32:50):
He ended up catching it.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Tagging a thirtis Fernandez.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Here's the throw home and he is going to be
out at the plate. So now the Brewers are going
to have a another out at third is contrast is.
Speaker 10 (33:01):
Gonna run to the bag and dubble them off, and
the Brewers are going to get out.
Speaker 6 (33:08):
Of this setting.
Speaker 7 (33:09):
Okay, So that was one thing, and then there's what
happened afterwards. So so sports Twitter their take was Wow,
what a wild play, crazy play. Most of the blue
check mark the influencers never seen him play like that.
That's wild. And I will I'll tell I tell young
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broadcasters this. Saying something's wild is not a take. That's
not that's not interesting. You have to explain why it's wild.
And let me tell you what made this play wild.
And if one person did their job, it wouldn't have
been wild or crazy. It was due to the demassary
of one player, and that's ti Oscar Hernandez rewinded a
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little bit. Ti Oscar is the one on third base
bases loaded. Okay, flybou to center field. The rule the
rule book states, and this is what we are trained
from Little League. The rule book states that you need
to tag and then you are free to release. When
the ball just touches the outfielder's glove. All it's got
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to do is touch. It doesn't matter if it's bobbled,
if it's dropped, if it goes off the wall like
it did last night. All it has to do is
initially touch the glove, and ti Oscar Hernandez can run
home and score. What did to do? Well, He tagged,
he saw it go off the glove, and then he hesitated,
and then the ball was caught again, and he went
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back to the bag and he had to run, and
he was the fucking victim of an eight six' two put.
Out the reason why you've never seen that in the
history of, baseball a force play that is an eight six'
to two is Because Ti oscar hernandez is a. Fucking
idiot dodger Fans and I'm Sure ryan bershing around, his
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podcast we all have complicated re Relationships With. Gioscar hernandez
he is one of our most. Clutch hitters we can't
not have him in, the lineup but he doesn't belong on.
A field he does not have the defensive skill set
to play outfield in. The majors and if we didn't
have a once in a, generation hitter that has to
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be our FULL. Time Dh ti oscar is A Natural
Dh tioscar hernandez always also makes awful base. Running decisions
i'm guessing he has A, low iq especially at times
when it matters. Like this you cannot put any crazy
on that play last Night If Ti oscar hernandez knows
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the rule and partakes in, The Rule dave roberts much
to my much to. My chagrin by, The, way doug
and this is a part OF what i hated about
this is that Your Guy, Brian Anderson jeff Francour And
ron darling did not focus on this at all. Last
night they basically were in the That was, crazy club
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which isn't. A take, they never they never even they
have an entire you do, Live. Broadcast doug you have
an entire truck of producers whose job it is to
produce segments that are interesting to, the viewers that explain
to viewers. What happened all viewers last night were scratching.
Their head how does? That happen why was that? So
(36:24):
wild WHY doesn't tbs spend time a couple's innings later
doing a deep dive? On this and it all goes
back To Fucking Ti. Oscar HERNANDEZ and i will say
this that it's not completely unforgivable THAT the tbs guys didn't.
DO it i will. Say This dave roberts was asked
about it afterwards and he, SAID this i just.
Speaker 6 (36:45):
Wonder what you saw on that kind of weird.
Speaker 7 (36:47):
Double play did you figure it out as it was,
going on or it happened so fast you didn't even
realize what.
Speaker 12 (36:51):
Was happening it, HAPPENED fast i didn't know he didn't.
Catch it to be, quite honest we go over. That
rule tail knows. THE rule i think. Right there he
just had a little bit of a, brain fart appreciating
that when it does hit the glove it's going to
you can. Tag there but then he tagged did? It correctly,
then saw, you know he didn't catch it and went
back and that was.
Speaker 7 (37:12):
The mistake so when, IT happened i went On my
dodgers group TEXT and, i said if too tags, and
runs we don't have this, fucking wild. SHITTY play I
think i went on the group text with the show
group text and said the same thing in THE moment
i was saying that on the. Group text why does
me on my COUCH and i didn't play high school
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past varsity in baseball in? High school WHY did i point?
That out and there's three people on the broadcast and
all the producers in the truck whose sole job it
is to explain to the viewers what happened in, this
situation and they. Missed it they never went back. To
it at the end of, the game As the dodgers bullpen,
is imploding the, Specific, said oh it's a good Thing
(37:55):
that mooki took that ball four with bases loaded and
gave him an. Insurance run how? About this and it's
also a fucking great thing That Ti oscar hernandez didn't
tag up the right way And the dodgers would have
had an extra run and this bullpen wouldn't be sweating
this out the way. It, is Again Ti oscar hernandez.
Is annoying he is a, dumb shit and at the
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SAME time i love him because he hits the shit on,
the ball especially in, The Postseason, ryan BERSCHINGER did i get?
Speaker 4 (38:24):
Anything, Wrong, NO no i think that's a very very
strong assessment Because Ultimately max muntsey hit a ball as
far as you possibly Can In miller park without it
going over, the fence And Somehow tioscar hernandez did not score.
On it that ultimately is. IS insane i do want
to to credit then this, entire situation like weird things
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like this have happened With the dodgers in, the past
and typically they lose those sort of. Postseason games this
just shows just how good this team is because what
happened then Is, the brewers, in essence had the momentum,
going right the crowd was, going insane every everything, was
wild And Then blake snell comes OUT and i believe
he got out of the inning on. Eight pitches Like
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He blake snell was so incredible last night that he
was completely unfazed by the chaotic nature of. That moment
even though every other person watching, the game every other
person in the ballpark was so thrown off and so
shaken up by how wild, It Was blake snell, remained
calm took, the mound and continued His dominance that was
really incredible. To watch, but yes to your Point On,
ANTEO jason i think it's it's completely correct because there's
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no reason for him not to score there if it's caught.
Or not the fact that he doubled back for no
reason just completely could have easily ruined the game and the.
ENTIRE series.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
I don't need to add anything. At all who else is?
Annoying you or do we need to just do we
need to, Just, go Hey.
Speaker 10 (39:48):
It's.
Speaker 6 (39:48):
TASKER yeah i think we can Name. TI oscar i.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
Think so you can yell It out tasker and as.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Your annoy.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Are we?
Speaker 1 (40:03):
DOING this i do because we can.
Speaker 7 (40:11):
Uh no sports with, This. ONE doug i Just Saw
quentin tarantino, say Something and, i'm like that is. So
brilliant that is so BRILLIANT that i want to play
it on the Podcast.
Speaker 13 (40:22):
Making, movies well what the fuck is the?
Speaker 6 (40:23):
Movie, now okay what the fuck is the?
Speaker 13 (40:25):
Movie now what's something that plays in theaters for a
token release for four? Fucking weeks, all right and by
the second week you can watch it. ON television i
didn't get into all this for. DIMINISHING returns i mean
it was bad enough in twenty nineteen and that was
the last fucking year, of movies, All right and that
was and that was a shiit deal as FAR as i,
was concerned the fact that it's gotten drastically worse and
(40:49):
that it's just it's a it's a show pony exercise
now the, theatrical.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Release, so true. So TRUE although i will Tell you
i've been to like three movies in the last couple
of WEEKS and i still love, the movies even if
it's EMPTY when i. Go in how can we play it?
For you why do you play it? For you because.
We can that's it for. The End The. Modus podcast
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