October 22, 2025 • 26 mins
Doug riffs about the start of the NBA season as it tipped off Tuesday night with the OKC-Houston game and the Lakers-Warriors bout. Doug reacts to a take by Petros Papadakis about the Notre Dame-USC rivalry. Doug chooses among deserving candidates Jason Stewart deems most annoying today. Plus, Kevin Durant makes today's installment of "Because We Can".
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
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app welcome in. Hey, So last night was the first
night of the NBA. And yeah, you ever have something
where you feel like something's different than you were told,
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but you want to kind of bring a friend and go, hey,
take a look at this thing, because I don't know
if it's just I'm a fanboy or I'm looking at
it wrong, but this appears to be different than it's sold.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Right.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
It's like you go to a restaurant and you know
you're somebody had told you the restaurant's not very good,
and then you have something you're like, I love it,
and then you're like kind of questioning your own judgment
and you see you bring a buddy or you bring
a date, you bring your girlfriend, you bring your wife,
don't bring them both. That can be uncomfor and I'm kidding.
And then you you go and you're like, hey, what
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do you think? Like, Wow, it's really really good. No,
it's like legit, like amazing. And sometimes that happens because
you're hungry. The first time you go to a place,
you're like really hungry, and then when you're really hungry,
you everything tastes amazing. So then you go back and
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from some confirmation with a friend. And Okay, I mean
that because I've said this about Major League Baseball. If
you were to ask the passive fan, the mainstream fan,
how does baseball compare to the other sports? Like just boring,
just long, boring, and all these pauses in between. Now,
the pauses in the postseason, I think are what make
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it great, right, just because there's a build up, a
build up, a build up. But in the regular season,
the game moves way faster, it's far more athletic, it's
a far better watch, it takes less than three hours.
It actually moves faster in many ways than the other
two of the three major pro sports. But people's perception
has set in place what they believe the reality is.
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And I think the same is true of the NBA.
You think the NBA nobody plays defense. All they do
is chuck threes and they're just waiting to get to
the postseason. I'm not going to tell you that that
unequivocally doesn't happen. What I am going to tell you
is really important for you to listen is I've been
watching the NBA and seeing some of the evolution of
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the game and just thinking to myself, well, that's not
really how it's playing out in reality. How it's playing
out is what we saw with the Oklahama City Thunder,
what we saw with the Indiana Pacers last year in
the finals. Pacers play fast, thunderplayed great defense. It's kind
of an ensemble cast and then they have one star
who can take over a game at the end of
a game and win them a game I was watching
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last night. I was blown away by the athleticism, the
overall space, the overall talent, but more than anything, the
overall defense of the defending championions. And you know, again,
part of it is more narrative than reality. But the
narrative is nobody in the NBA plays defense. The reality
is the defending champions do. That's why they are going
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to be right there to win another one this year.
But you have to bring a friend. And last night
I grab one of my assistant coaches and he's like,
what are you watching it? I was like, I'm watch
the first the Rockets game, and he's like I like
the NBA is like I just watched for five minutes
and he watched, Like damn Oklahoma City. They play hard,
Holy cow, who's that coach? Like Mark Dagnall, what's his
and we start talking about his background, like Wow, they're good. Yeah,
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and they run good stuff and it's good basketball. But
people have in their mind and this this actually plays
to what Jason says a lot of times about the NFL.
People have in their mind that the NFL is the
best pro sport and it's like all these spectacular plays,
when the reality is it's not always really all that
well played. Whereas the NBA has established kind of a
bad reputation because this drama and the idea that nobody
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plays defense and just shooge threes. And yeah, there's still
some drama, but hasn't been much this offseason, and the
other parts aren't necessarily as accurate as you think. So
bring a friend and see what they think.
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Sports One Show, here's the old p Petros Papadekas talking
about the SC he played for a SC Notre Dame rivalry.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Well, I know why Lincoln Rowdy doesn't want to go
play at Notre Dame. They're soft. They're soft, and the
bar is too high for him to go play that game.
But if that's the truth, then you're too soft to
be the USC coach. If you're too soft to lead
those guys into battle out there and not be better
and not be more physically prepared for a physical football team.
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What makes you think that you're going to go to
a house state and win, or a Penn state and
whenever or anywhere else. I mean, it just makes me
so sick that something that is so deeply ingrained in
our identity, if you're a former player at USC or
Notre Dame or even a fan, and it's such a
big part of who we are as players to have
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played there against them, and that Lincoln Riley or even
Jen Cohen, just a fart in a whirlwind in the
history of USC can even say something about the rivalry
and act like they have a say in it being
played or not.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
That's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
I mean, I completely agree. I do think that that
Petros is I think we're taking this on face value
that it may go away. I don't buy that for
one second. I think it's all leverage, and I think
SC is actually trying to leverage the fact that they're
in a big time conference now and may feel like
they don't need it and you get a better deal
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at Notre Dame. Notre Dame kind of dictates terms and
everything that they do. But by and large, yeah, I
agree with with Petros that people who just showed up
five minutes ago to s see and haven't proven anything
don't get to dictate terms. In his mind about one
of the greatest, greatest rivalries in the sport. Here's Rob
Parker talking about Showees Shoo Tani's performance in Game four.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
The prisoner of the moment made it like shohey had
done something that nobody had ever done. Okay, okay, and
it's not true. Okay. First of all, people have hit
three home runs in a game.
Speaker 6 (06:40):
I'm laughing at you.
Speaker 7 (06:41):
Fighting.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
Reggie Jackson hit three home runs on three pitches consecutive
pitches by three different pictures in a World Series game,
an incredible feat. Here's the other part. So people, I
get it, he's a unicorn. They're making it like, well nobody, Well, yeah,
we know, because only and Babe Ruth have been the
only guys who are pitched right and hit home runs
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at this kind of clip. There's only been two guys
since the twenties.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
But people keep going.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
He's the first guy. Says, of course he is, because
nobody else has ever done it.
Speaker 8 (07:16):
That's exactly nobody else has done it.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Hit me out.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
But here's the part they say, the three home runs. Okay,
even though Key k Hernandez had three home runs in
the game playoff game, that didn't happen. It's not like
that never happened. But then the whole thing is about,
oh and he struck out ten. He struck out ten batters.
He struck out ten. I'm like, okay, that's good. But
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it wasn't like he had shut down the mighty Milwaukee Brewers.
And here's the here's my issue. Blake Snell pitched eight
innings of unbelievable ball against the Milwaukee Brewers.
Speaker 9 (07:56):
Yamamoto pisched a complete game against the Milwaukee Brewers. They
were dead on arrival. Show hate didn't do anything special.
Everybody in their Uncle I could have pitched four scoreless
innings against that team. They couldn't hit, they couldn't score
any runs. So people are making it like he pitched
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a no hitter and hit four home runs and on
every yet bad.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
But that's not what happened. That's not what happened.
Speaker 9 (08:24):
What he did pitching wise was not that impressive against
this Milwaukee Brewers team.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
You're screaming in a room by yourself. Nobody else is.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
You are like an insane aside a straight second.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
No, I swear yeah, I mean that's ultimate hater stuff.
He compares them to two guys with lead pitching portanceas like, yeah,
but he also hit three home runs. I just rob
is that guy, and it tracks like he's the he's
the hater uncle. And as you get ready for Thanksgiving,
you're ready for Christmas, you know the hater uncle who
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no matter what is said, yeah, well, he can come
up with a negative. He can come up with a negative.
It's an art and he is an artist, but he's
definitely the hater uncle here's Brady Quinn, LeVar Arrington, and
and Jonas Knox talking about Russell Wilson's response to his
former head coach Sean Payton's comments.
Speaker 10 (09:19):
Russell Wilson, who just keeps his mouth shut, just goes
about his business. He's had enough. He took to social
media yesterday and posted the following classless but not surprised.
Didn't realize you're still bounty hunting fifteen years later though
through the media hashtag let's ride Stop playing with action bar.
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We're trying to tell you I'm not playing with Russ.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
He's had enough.
Speaker 11 (09:44):
I mean, you texted it, tweeted it. No, you tweeted,
you texted, put it in text. Yeah, I'm just saying,
stop playing with him. Man, if you're gonna go get it,
film it. That's all I'm gonna say. Oh, do you
want to it would have It'll made way more sense
if he filmed it and we got to hear it,
just like we listened to. Here's here's what I don't
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get man, Coach Peyton, if you're Sean Payton, why why
go there?
Speaker 6 (10:09):
Like, why does he need to go there?
Speaker 11 (10:10):
I don't get it, like you just won. He had
an unbelievable comeback.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
I mean, I know he's he's whatever every wants to
say about Jackson darry I mean, Jackson Darty's pick kind
of sparked to come back, honestly, but it's like, why
go there?
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Yeah, for Sean Payton, I think I personally like Sean.
He's been awesome to me. You don't get to be
that successful if you don't have a little bit or
maybe a lot bit of asshole in you. And I
think that's where that came out. Did he have to
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know and was everything he's saying reality, Yes, But I
think a lot of it is just he thinks Russell
Wilson's an asshole, and he's like, oh yeah, watch this,
and he got a little swag to him because they
came back from from this. They scored thirty three points
in the fourth quarter, you know, reiterating he knows he's
forgotten more about OFFENSEI football than Russell Wilson will ever know.
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That's what the Fox Says.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
Say.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
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Speaker 2 (11:30):
Let's find out who what's annoying, Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 6 (11:42):
Hey, Doug.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Hey, Jason.
Speaker 6 (11:47):
Michael Jordan was featured last night. I just the delay
was me trying to look up his reported salary forty million,
So he's going to get forty million. No one really
thought what this was going to be, right, No one
really understood what it was going to be. When it
was announced Michael Jordan would get forty million bucks from
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NBC to appear on their coverage. My opinion in the
time was, oh, man, if he's going to be breaking
down games and stuff and doing hot takes, that will
like that will only ruin his reputation. In other words,
his reputation is this guy who hasn't said a whole
lot in the last thirty years, and everything he does
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is just cool and winning that the documentary during the
pandemic just was one of the most watchdogs ever. I
guess we were all at home so we had nothing
else to do. But everything he's done has been like successful.
And if he started doing analysis and like just doing
what Steven A does or something, I think that would
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have like tarnished his reputation. So NBC, I guess gave
us a glimpse into what this is. Forty million bucks
to sit and get interviewed by Mike Turrico. I'm guessing
they probably recorded two hours of content and they're just
going to kind of roll out what three or four
questions per show And here's here's how the interview started.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
You let us bring a camera to to your place
here to talk to you about basketball. Why do you
want to share what you're thinking about basketball?
Speaker 6 (13:22):
Now?
Speaker 3 (13:24):
It's pay it forward? You know, I have an obligation
to the game of basketball, not financially, I'm okay. I
mean I think more or less from me from as
a basketball player is to be able to pass on
messages of success and dedication to the game of basketball.
Speaker 6 (13:42):
I'm going to call bullshit on this, and I understand
that I'm very much in the minority. Like anything Michael
Jordan does is universally loved. Like Twitter is a fucking cesspool.
Twitter is going to find the negativity in anything, and
it was running like ninety nine to one last night.
People love the Jordan content. But I'm calling bullshit here.
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He's not paying anything forward. Why would he have waited
twenty five years to finally get around to paying it forward.
I do believe one word in that three word summary.
I do believe in pay. He's getting paid forty million
dollars to be interviewed. I don't think that Michael Jordan
feels a sense at all to pay his expertise forward.
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He would have done it by now, right.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Well, I agree with you. I also think there's a
certain genius to it, like stick with me for a second.
Let me give you kind of give you this this thought.
George H. W. Bush the younger George Bush. If Jeorge W. Bush, sorry,
George Herbert Walker Bush is the older one, thank you, Sam.
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So George W.
Speaker 11 (14:53):
Bush.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
When he goes and speaks at places, that's what he does.
They pay somebody to come and basically MC and Q
and AM and TP stories, TEP stories, and why does
he do that? Well, if we remember as much as
Trump is terrible, when he's you know, he's either super
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mechanical and reading teleprompter or when he gets off it
now he just meanders and they call it a weave,
but it's just all over the place, and he says
things that you don't want a president saying. If you
remember George W. Bush was terrible on the prompter, and
we'll easily step in it saying something bizarre and make
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him sound unintelligent. So instead of doing that, it's like, hey,
he's a great storyteller. That's what George W. Bush is,
so they have him tell stories. I bring it up
because there's a certain genius to it, there's certain power
to it, like, yeah, I'll do I'll do your TV show.
I'll do it once a week. Here's what I'm going
to do. I'm not sitting at any desk. I'm not
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sitting next to anybody who is not at my level.
You're gonna come to me, do it at my house,
ask me whatever you want, edit it however you want,
make me look good, and that's what we're gonna do.
So I agree with you that everybody just wants to
hear Michael Jordan content and we just drink it up
like it's kool aid. But I actually think that it's
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kind of genius that a guy at that level can
dictate terms. I mean, look so different than Peyton Manning.
Every broadcast network has offered Peyton Manning the moon, and
he came up with like, I don't want to do
it that way. I don't want to sit in booth.
I don't want to listen to Jim Nant's. I don't
want to meet with coaches. I don't want to do
any of that stuff. If I do it, I want
to do it on my own. Otherwise, I want to
watch football and then teach the world football. And I
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want to do it and do it at a studio
or a confines, my own home. So I actually this
is sort of a George W. Bush thing and a
Peyton Manning thing. I will agree with you. Like we
got a story about he hadn't shot a basketball in years,
and and it sounded like he got to rent the
guy's house for free and all he had to do
was shoot a free throw. I love the content, but
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I admit it's just because Jordan's my goat and I
haven't heard or seen him in years.
Speaker 6 (17:18):
Yes, which leads me to my point. You know, I'm
I always want to be the guy that's looking for
the opposite of bullshit.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Yep.
Speaker 6 (17:25):
And I think the bullshit here is that he's doing
this for any other reason than forty million bucks. You know,
I don't buy him.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Do you think he's doing it game? I think I
think you think he's doing it all for relevance. Do
you think he's doing all for relevance to stay relevant?
Speaker 6 (17:42):
No, I don't think he needs that. I mean, I
think his brand Air Jordan, I mean, he's already got relevance.
But Peyton Manning I think has a genuine want to
give back to the game. I think he wants to
run a team. I think he wants to be a
coach or whatever and do this. Michael Jordan has shown
exactly zero desire to do that, and then all of
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a sudden, NBC throws a ton of money at him
to sit down on his chair and answer a few questions.
That's cool, and everyone loved that, But just don't tell
me that it's because you want to get back to
the game.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Sure, sure, I'm okay with that. Yeah, you're calling bullshit there.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
I hear you.
Speaker 6 (18:21):
Aaron Glenn is a frequent member of this segment. He's
become my favorite story in the NFL because he just
can't seem to get out of his way, and you
could tell he's got people in his ear. You could
tell I don't know who the president of communications is
for the Jets or the crisis manager for the Jets,
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but people are in his ear because he keeps kind
of changing the way he's going about things with the media,
and he's losing. The most recent example is today, he's
going to be the first head coach to ever not
tell the media who his quarterback is for the Bengals,
the vaunted Bengals on Sunday, she's your quarterback.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
We will have a quarterback on Sunday. I will tell
you that I wouldn't want to give them a competitive
advantage when I have that opportunity, but we would have
a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Did you Your list was long?
Speaker 5 (19:17):
So yeah, you say this day to day?
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Yes, yes, what does he dealing. He's dealing a need
that's something he had before. So just you know who your.
Speaker 6 (19:28):
Starting quarterback is going to be.
Speaker 8 (19:29):
We're just not announcing it.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
So it isn't like this week as.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
A competition where you're going to have I know, w
to start in quarterbacks movie.
Speaker 6 (19:35):
So Aaron Glenn's gonna out smart this thing. He's gonna
out smart it. He's not going to let the Bengals
know who which one of his very below average quarterbacks
are starting this weekend. And by the way, my favorite
part of that SoundBite was he he He doubled back
and said, but there will be a quarterback on the shield,
as if we were thinking maybe he would start like
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a linebacker at that position. He's there will be a quarterback.
I guarantee you that.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Good to know there will be a quarterback. Yeah, yeah,
it's it's annoying, the cat and mouse thing, like that's
gonna you haven't won a fucking game yet, dude. You know,
I'll just give you my kind of perspective and you
take it for what's worth, you know, Like I'm not
sitting here. I feel like I've done this forever. The
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only information that I keep from the media is things
to which I think I got to protect the players,
injuries and the altopia, like it's none of their none
of their business. But I don't know, like quarterback, you know,
he knows what it's going to be. Oh, I have
a secret, Like, dude, what are you doing? Just tell
us or don't you know? If you're really not going
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to name a starting quarterback, fine, don't name a starting quarterback,
but don't play this stupid cat and mouse game, because
it just irritates the shit out of everybody.
Speaker 6 (20:52):
I'm with you, So Ben Herbert. Do you know that name?
Does that ring a bell? Ben Herbert?
Speaker 3 (20:57):
It is?
Speaker 6 (20:58):
It's I mean, it's little coincidence, I think because I looked.
I tried to cross check this, but Ben Herbert is
not related to Chargers quarterback Justin Herbert. But Ben Herbert
is the and I want to get this correct. Ben
Herbert is the not strengthened conditioning coach. I want to say,
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what exactly is he? Executive director of player performance of
the Los Angeles Chargers. Okay, I want you to listen
to this SoundBite from when Ben Herbert got there. You know,
this became like a in the new cycle for twenty
four hours because of his charisma and the way he
was direct with how he wants to get players healthy
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and strong and ready. I remember it was in the
news cycle and then it went just like everything else.
But this is not Agent Well, Doug. This SoundBite is
not Agent Well. The Chargers at last, and this was yesterday,
they haven't come out with the injury report yet they
of the most injured. They have the most players on
the injury report of any team in the NFL. And
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this is Ben Herbert winning the press conference.
Speaker 7 (22:10):
There are concepts that different people believe in that may
match up, but I view training in this way and
this is how I told it to the guys. My
first goal is to make you harder to break.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Right.
Speaker 7 (22:21):
The most vulnerabile areas of the body in my opinion
in the game of football, the head, right and left shoulder,
right and left hip girdle, right and left hamstring, right
and left ankle. So through your training, you have to
be proactive at training those areas of the body. So
the network that I introduced today, the trap work, the
four part cuff sequence to address the four rotator cuff
muscles in their shoulder girdle, introduced them to some hip work,
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introduced them to some ankle work. Right, These are things
that are paramount. If you want to make a football
player harder to break, your training has to be sound.
In my opinion, it's all my opinion. Your training has
to be sound in those areas. So that's goal number one.
Make you harder to break.
Speaker 6 (22:57):
I would say that the chargers have been made easy
to break. It's just the opposite of harder to break.
And then that music that you heard underneath was a
cute social media poster that was listing all the Chargers
current injuries as as this guy was talking about training
people that are harder to break.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Yeah, it does sound sort of sort of it's almost
like you're tempting fate. It's almost like you're tempting fate.
But yeah, anytime, that's like somebody purporting the day of
the cure for cancer, Like, stop it, right, seriously, stop it,
stop it?
Speaker 3 (23:38):
What else?
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Who else is annoying you?
Speaker 6 (23:40):
Now? That's it? Ben Herbert's SoundBite not aging Well, Aaron
Glenn is a circus. And then I called bullshit on
Michael Jordan's Uh, I guess you would say his motivation
for doing TV.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Yeah, well, the Chargers are completely he banged up and
their strength coach acted like our director of player performs
acted like he had the cure for just such a thing.
So I'm gonna go with your night.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Why are we doing this because we can?
Speaker 6 (24:22):
There's a there's a docu series that actually has has
got a lot of traction on social media. It's called
Starting five Netflix follows uh sg A Tyrese Haliburton, Kevin Durant,
James Harden, and Jalen Brown around last year and Kevin
Durant's soundbites from this have gone viral like he's he's
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just talking shit and he uses a lot of f words,
And he said this about James Harden's trade from the
Thunder to the Rockets back in the day.
Speaker 8 (24:56):
He pissed me off. Is like bron and d Wade
and so many dudes around the NBA send it tweets out,
like congrats to my bro James. He got his like
he going to Houston.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
He gonna kill it.
Speaker 8 (25:08):
When they were just happy that we weren't together on
when he was so happy, I know Brown, that was
so fucking happy that we wasn't together no more because
we was on the ass. Everybody in the league was like, man, James,
I'm so happy you And he was said, Man, you're
gonna kill it, bro, my bro. I was like, shut
the fuck up, y'all. Just I just fucking scared, y'all.
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I knew he was on the way.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Love it. I love how I actually think in many ways,
Kevin Durant aligns very much with you, Jason. He is
somebody who is in search of the opposite of bullshit,
and it's always interesting to hear. Granted we're talking years
and years later, what the players themselves thought after that
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deal was made, why could play for you because we can't.
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Doug Gottlieb show ed the Bonus Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio
app welcome in. Hey, So last night was the first
night of the NBA. And yeah, you ever have something
where you feel like something's different than you were told,
(00:32):
but you want to kind of bring a friend and go, hey,
take a look at this thing, because I don't know
if it's just I'm a fanboy or I'm looking at
it wrong, but this appears to be different than it's sold.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Right.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
It's like you go to a restaurant and you know
you're somebody had told you the restaurant's not very good,
and then you have something you're like, I love it,
and then you're like kind of questioning your own judgment
and you see you bring a buddy or you bring
a date, you bring your girlfriend, you bring your wife,
don't bring them both. That can be uncomfor and I'm kidding.
And then you you go and you're like, hey, what
(01:06):
do you think? Like, Wow, it's really really good. No,
it's like legit, like amazing. And sometimes that happens because
you're hungry. The first time you go to a place,
you're like really hungry, and then when you're really hungry,
you everything tastes amazing. So then you go back and
(01:26):
from some confirmation with a friend. And Okay, I mean
that because I've said this about Major League Baseball. If
you were to ask the passive fan, the mainstream fan,
how does baseball compare to the other sports? Like just boring,
just long, boring, and all these pauses in between. Now,
the pauses in the postseason, I think are what make
(01:47):
it great, right, just because there's a build up, a
build up, a build up. But in the regular season,
the game moves way faster, it's far more athletic, it's
a far better watch, it takes less than three hours.
It actually moves faster in many ways than the other
two of the three major pro sports. But people's perception
has set in place what they believe the reality is.
(02:08):
And I think the same is true of the NBA.
You think the NBA nobody plays defense. All they do
is chuck threes and they're just waiting to get to
the postseason. I'm not going to tell you that that
unequivocally doesn't happen. What I am going to tell you
is really important for you to listen is I've been
watching the NBA and seeing some of the evolution of
(02:30):
the game and just thinking to myself, well, that's not
really how it's playing out in reality. How it's playing
out is what we saw with the Oklahama City Thunder,
what we saw with the Indiana Pacers last year in
the finals. Pacers play fast, thunderplayed great defense. It's kind
of an ensemble cast and then they have one star
who can take over a game at the end of
a game and win them a game I was watching
(02:50):
last night. I was blown away by the athleticism, the
overall space, the overall talent, but more than anything, the
overall defense of the defending championions. And you know, again,
part of it is more narrative than reality. But the
narrative is nobody in the NBA plays defense. The reality
is the defending champions do. That's why they are going
(03:13):
to be right there to win another one this year.
But you have to bring a friend. And last night
I grab one of my assistant coaches and he's like,
what are you watching it? I was like, I'm watch
the first the Rockets game, and he's like I like
the NBA is like I just watched for five minutes
and he watched, Like damn Oklahoma City. They play hard,
Holy cow, who's that coach? Like Mark Dagnall, what's his
and we start talking about his background, like Wow, they're good. Yeah,
(03:35):
and they run good stuff and it's good basketball. But
people have in their mind and this this actually plays
to what Jason says a lot of times about the NFL.
People have in their mind that the NFL is the
best pro sport and it's like all these spectacular plays,
when the reality is it's not always really all that
well played. Whereas the NBA has established kind of a
bad reputation because this drama and the idea that nobody
(03:56):
plays defense and just shooge threes. And yeah, there's still
some drama, but hasn't been much this offseason, and the
other parts aren't necessarily as accurate as you think. So
bring a friend and see what they think.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
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Sports One Show, here's the old p Petros Papadekas talking
about the SC he played for a SC Notre Dame rivalry.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Well, I know why Lincoln Rowdy doesn't want to go
play at Notre Dame. They're soft. They're soft, and the
bar is too high for him to go play that game.
But if that's the truth, then you're too soft to
be the USC coach. If you're too soft to lead
those guys into battle out there and not be better
and not be more physically prepared for a physical football team.
(04:57):
What makes you think that you're going to go to
a house state and win, or a Penn state and
whenever or anywhere else. I mean, it just makes me
so sick that something that is so deeply ingrained in
our identity, if you're a former player at USC or
Notre Dame or even a fan, and it's such a
big part of who we are as players to have
(05:19):
played there against them, and that Lincoln Riley or even
Jen Cohen, just a fart in a whirlwind in the
history of USC can even say something about the rivalry
and act like they have a say in it being
played or not.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
That's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
I mean, I completely agree. I do think that that
Petros is I think we're taking this on face value
that it may go away. I don't buy that for
one second. I think it's all leverage, and I think
SC is actually trying to leverage the fact that they're
in a big time conference now and may feel like
they don't need it and you get a better deal
(05:59):
at Notre Dame. Notre Dame kind of dictates terms and
everything that they do. But by and large, yeah, I
agree with with Petros that people who just showed up
five minutes ago to s see and haven't proven anything
don't get to dictate terms. In his mind about one
of the greatest, greatest rivalries in the sport. Here's Rob
Parker talking about Showees Shoo Tani's performance in Game four.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
The prisoner of the moment made it like shohey had
done something that nobody had ever done. Okay, okay, and
it's not true. Okay. First of all, people have hit
three home runs in a game.
Speaker 6 (06:40):
I'm laughing at you.
Speaker 7 (06:41):
Fighting.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
Reggie Jackson hit three home runs on three pitches consecutive
pitches by three different pictures in a World Series game,
an incredible feat. Here's the other part. So people, I
get it, he's a unicorn. They're making it like, well nobody, Well, yeah,
we know, because only and Babe Ruth have been the
only guys who are pitched right and hit home runs
(07:05):
at this kind of clip. There's only been two guys
since the twenties.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
But people keep going.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
He's the first guy. Says, of course he is, because
nobody else has ever done it.
Speaker 8 (07:16):
That's exactly nobody else has done it.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Hit me out.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
But here's the part they say, the three home runs. Okay,
even though Key k Hernandez had three home runs in
the game playoff game, that didn't happen. It's not like
that never happened. But then the whole thing is about,
oh and he struck out ten. He struck out ten batters.
He struck out ten. I'm like, okay, that's good. But
(07:40):
it wasn't like he had shut down the mighty Milwaukee Brewers.
And here's the here's my issue. Blake Snell pitched eight
innings of unbelievable ball against the Milwaukee Brewers.
Speaker 9 (07:56):
Yamamoto pisched a complete game against the Milwaukee Brewers. They
were dead on arrival. Show hate didn't do anything special.
Everybody in their Uncle I could have pitched four scoreless
innings against that team. They couldn't hit, they couldn't score
any runs. So people are making it like he pitched
(08:18):
a no hitter and hit four home runs and on
every yet bad.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
But that's not what happened. That's not what happened.
Speaker 9 (08:24):
What he did pitching wise was not that impressive against
this Milwaukee Brewers team.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
You're screaming in a room by yourself. Nobody else is.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
You are like an insane aside a straight second.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
No, I swear yeah, I mean that's ultimate hater stuff.
He compares them to two guys with lead pitching portanceas like, yeah,
but he also hit three home runs. I just rob
is that guy, and it tracks like he's the he's
the hater uncle. And as you get ready for Thanksgiving,
you're ready for Christmas, you know the hater uncle who
(08:58):
no matter what is said, yeah, well, he can come
up with a negative. He can come up with a negative.
It's an art and he is an artist, but he's
definitely the hater uncle here's Brady Quinn, LeVar Arrington, and
and Jonas Knox talking about Russell Wilson's response to his
former head coach Sean Payton's comments.
Speaker 10 (09:19):
Russell Wilson, who just keeps his mouth shut, just goes
about his business. He's had enough. He took to social
media yesterday and posted the following classless but not surprised.
Didn't realize you're still bounty hunting fifteen years later though
through the media hashtag let's ride Stop playing with action bar.
(09:40):
We're trying to tell you I'm not playing with Russ.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
He's had enough.
Speaker 11 (09:44):
I mean, you texted it, tweeted it. No, you tweeted,
you texted, put it in text. Yeah, I'm just saying,
stop playing with him. Man, if you're gonna go get it,
film it. That's all I'm gonna say. Oh, do you
want to it would have It'll made way more sense
if he filmed it and we got to hear it,
just like we listened to. Here's here's what I don't
(10:05):
get man, Coach Peyton, if you're Sean Payton, why why
go there?
Speaker 6 (10:09):
Like, why does he need to go there?
Speaker 11 (10:10):
I don't get it, like you just won. He had
an unbelievable comeback.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
I mean, I know he's he's whatever every wants to
say about Jackson darry I mean, Jackson Darty's pick kind
of sparked to come back, honestly, but it's like, why
go there?
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Yeah, for Sean Payton, I think I personally like Sean.
He's been awesome to me. You don't get to be
that successful if you don't have a little bit or
maybe a lot bit of asshole in you. And I
think that's where that came out. Did he have to
(10:49):
know and was everything he's saying reality, Yes, But I
think a lot of it is just he thinks Russell
Wilson's an asshole, and he's like, oh yeah, watch this,
and he got a little swag to him because they
came back from from this. They scored thirty three points
in the fourth quarter, you know, reiterating he knows he's
forgotten more about OFFENSEI football than Russell Wilson will ever know.
(11:16):
That's what the Fox Says.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
Say.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
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Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Let's find out who what's annoying, Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 6 (11:42):
Hey, Doug.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Hey, Jason.
Speaker 6 (11:47):
Michael Jordan was featured last night. I just the delay
was me trying to look up his reported salary forty million,
So he's going to get forty million. No one really
thought what this was going to be, right, No one
really understood what it was going to be. When it
was announced Michael Jordan would get forty million bucks from
(12:08):
NBC to appear on their coverage. My opinion in the
time was, oh, man, if he's going to be breaking
down games and stuff and doing hot takes, that will
like that will only ruin his reputation. In other words,
his reputation is this guy who hasn't said a whole
lot in the last thirty years, and everything he does
(12:29):
is just cool and winning that the documentary during the
pandemic just was one of the most watchdogs ever. I
guess we were all at home so we had nothing
else to do. But everything he's done has been like successful.
And if he started doing analysis and like just doing
what Steven A does or something, I think that would
(12:52):
have like tarnished his reputation. So NBC, I guess gave
us a glimpse into what this is. Forty million bucks
to sit and get interviewed by Mike Turrico. I'm guessing
they probably recorded two hours of content and they're just
going to kind of roll out what three or four
questions per show And here's here's how the interview started.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
You let us bring a camera to to your place
here to talk to you about basketball. Why do you
want to share what you're thinking about basketball?
Speaker 6 (13:22):
Now?
Speaker 3 (13:24):
It's pay it forward? You know, I have an obligation
to the game of basketball, not financially, I'm okay. I
mean I think more or less from me from as
a basketball player is to be able to pass on
messages of success and dedication to the game of basketball.
Speaker 6 (13:42):
I'm going to call bullshit on this, and I understand
that I'm very much in the minority. Like anything Michael
Jordan does is universally loved. Like Twitter is a fucking cesspool.
Twitter is going to find the negativity in anything, and
it was running like ninety nine to one last night.
People love the Jordan content. But I'm calling bullshit here.
(14:04):
He's not paying anything forward. Why would he have waited
twenty five years to finally get around to paying it forward.
I do believe one word in that three word summary.
I do believe in pay. He's getting paid forty million
dollars to be interviewed. I don't think that Michael Jordan
feels a sense at all to pay his expertise forward.
(14:26):
He would have done it by now, right.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Well, I agree with you. I also think there's a
certain genius to it, like stick with me for a second.
Let me give you kind of give you this this thought.
George H. W. Bush the younger George Bush. If Jeorge W. Bush, sorry,
George Herbert Walker Bush is the older one, thank you, Sam.
(14:51):
So George W.
Speaker 11 (14:53):
Bush.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
When he goes and speaks at places, that's what he does.
They pay somebody to come and basically MC and Q
and AM and TP stories, TEP stories, and why does
he do that? Well, if we remember as much as
Trump is terrible, when he's you know, he's either super
(15:17):
mechanical and reading teleprompter or when he gets off it
now he just meanders and they call it a weave,
but it's just all over the place, and he says
things that you don't want a president saying. If you
remember George W. Bush was terrible on the prompter, and
we'll easily step in it saying something bizarre and make
(15:40):
him sound unintelligent. So instead of doing that, it's like, hey,
he's a great storyteller. That's what George W. Bush is,
so they have him tell stories. I bring it up
because there's a certain genius to it, there's certain power
to it, like, yeah, I'll do I'll do your TV show.
I'll do it once a week. Here's what I'm going
to do. I'm not sitting at any desk. I'm not
(16:00):
sitting next to anybody who is not at my level.
You're gonna come to me, do it at my house,
ask me whatever you want, edit it however you want,
make me look good, and that's what we're gonna do.
So I agree with you that everybody just wants to
hear Michael Jordan content and we just drink it up
like it's kool aid. But I actually think that it's
(16:23):
kind of genius that a guy at that level can
dictate terms. I mean, look so different than Peyton Manning.
Every broadcast network has offered Peyton Manning the moon, and
he came up with like, I don't want to do
it that way. I don't want to sit in booth.
I don't want to listen to Jim Nant's. I don't
want to meet with coaches. I don't want to do
any of that stuff. If I do it, I want
to do it on my own. Otherwise, I want to
watch football and then teach the world football. And I
(16:45):
want to do it and do it at a studio
or a confines, my own home. So I actually this
is sort of a George W. Bush thing and a
Peyton Manning thing. I will agree with you. Like we
got a story about he hadn't shot a basketball in years,
and and it sounded like he got to rent the
guy's house for free and all he had to do
was shoot a free throw. I love the content, but
(17:08):
I admit it's just because Jordan's my goat and I
haven't heard or seen him in years.
Speaker 6 (17:18):
Yes, which leads me to my point. You know, I'm
I always want to be the guy that's looking for
the opposite of bullshit.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Yep.
Speaker 6 (17:25):
And I think the bullshit here is that he's doing
this for any other reason than forty million bucks. You know,
I don't buy him.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Do you think he's doing it game? I think I
think you think he's doing it all for relevance. Do
you think he's doing all for relevance to stay relevant?
Speaker 6 (17:42):
No, I don't think he needs that. I mean, I
think his brand Air Jordan, I mean, he's already got relevance.
But Peyton Manning I think has a genuine want to
give back to the game. I think he wants to
run a team. I think he wants to be a
coach or whatever and do this. Michael Jordan has shown
exactly zero desire to do that, and then all of
(18:05):
a sudden, NBC throws a ton of money at him
to sit down on his chair and answer a few questions.
That's cool, and everyone loved that, But just don't tell
me that it's because you want to get back to
the game.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Sure, sure, I'm okay with that. Yeah, you're calling bullshit there.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
I hear you.
Speaker 6 (18:21):
Aaron Glenn is a frequent member of this segment. He's
become my favorite story in the NFL because he just
can't seem to get out of his way, and you
could tell he's got people in his ear. You could
tell I don't know who the president of communications is
for the Jets or the crisis manager for the Jets,
(18:44):
but people are in his ear because he keeps kind
of changing the way he's going about things with the media,
and he's losing. The most recent example is today, he's
going to be the first head coach to ever not
tell the media who his quarterback is for the Bengals,
the vaunted Bengals on Sunday, she's your quarterback.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
We will have a quarterback on Sunday. I will tell
you that I wouldn't want to give them a competitive
advantage when I have that opportunity, but we would have
a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Did you Your list was long?
Speaker 5 (19:17):
So yeah, you say this day to day?
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Yes, yes, what does he dealing. He's dealing a need
that's something he had before. So just you know who your.
Speaker 6 (19:28):
Starting quarterback is going to be.
Speaker 8 (19:29):
We're just not announcing it.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
So it isn't like this week as.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
A competition where you're going to have I know, w
to start in quarterbacks movie.
Speaker 6 (19:35):
So Aaron Glenn's gonna out smart this thing. He's gonna
out smart it. He's not going to let the Bengals
know who which one of his very below average quarterbacks
are starting this weekend. And by the way, my favorite
part of that SoundBite was he he He doubled back
and said, but there will be a quarterback on the shield,
as if we were thinking maybe he would start like
(19:57):
a linebacker at that position. He's there will be a quarterback.
I guarantee you that.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Good to know there will be a quarterback. Yeah, yeah,
it's it's annoying, the cat and mouse thing, like that's
gonna you haven't won a fucking game yet, dude. You know,
I'll just give you my kind of perspective and you
take it for what's worth, you know, Like I'm not
sitting here. I feel like I've done this forever. The
(20:23):
only information that I keep from the media is things
to which I think I got to protect the players,
injuries and the altopia, like it's none of their none
of their business. But I don't know, like quarterback, you know,
he knows what it's going to be. Oh, I have
a secret, Like, dude, what are you doing? Just tell
us or don't you know? If you're really not going
(20:45):
to name a starting quarterback, fine, don't name a starting quarterback,
but don't play this stupid cat and mouse game, because
it just irritates the shit out of everybody.
Speaker 6 (20:52):
I'm with you, So Ben Herbert. Do you know that name?
Does that ring a bell? Ben Herbert?
Speaker 3 (20:57):
It is?
Speaker 6 (20:58):
It's I mean, it's little coincidence, I think because I looked.
I tried to cross check this, but Ben Herbert is
not related to Chargers quarterback Justin Herbert. But Ben Herbert
is the and I want to get this correct. Ben
Herbert is the not strengthened conditioning coach. I want to say,
(21:21):
what exactly is he? Executive director of player performance of
the Los Angeles Chargers. Okay, I want you to listen
to this SoundBite from when Ben Herbert got there. You know,
this became like a in the new cycle for twenty
four hours because of his charisma and the way he
was direct with how he wants to get players healthy
(21:43):
and strong and ready. I remember it was in the
news cycle and then it went just like everything else.
But this is not Agent Well, Doug. This SoundBite is
not Agent Well. The Chargers at last, and this was yesterday,
they haven't come out with the injury report yet they
of the most injured. They have the most players on
the injury report of any team in the NFL. And
(22:06):
this is Ben Herbert winning the press conference.
Speaker 7 (22:10):
There are concepts that different people believe in that may
match up, but I view training in this way and
this is how I told it to the guys. My
first goal is to make you harder to break.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Right.
Speaker 7 (22:21):
The most vulnerabile areas of the body in my opinion
in the game of football, the head, right and left shoulder,
right and left hip girdle, right and left hamstring, right
and left ankle. So through your training, you have to
be proactive at training those areas of the body. So
the network that I introduced today, the trap work, the
four part cuff sequence to address the four rotator cuff
muscles in their shoulder girdle, introduced them to some hip work,
(22:43):
introduced them to some ankle work. Right, These are things
that are paramount. If you want to make a football
player harder to break, your training has to be sound.
In my opinion, it's all my opinion. Your training has
to be sound in those areas. So that's goal number one.
Make you harder to break.
Speaker 6 (22:57):
I would say that the chargers have been made easy
to break. It's just the opposite of harder to break.
And then that music that you heard underneath was a
cute social media poster that was listing all the Chargers
current injuries as as this guy was talking about training
people that are harder to break.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Yeah, it does sound sort of sort of it's almost
like you're tempting fate. It's almost like you're tempting fate.
But yeah, anytime, that's like somebody purporting the day of
the cure for cancer, Like, stop it, right, seriously, stop it,
stop it?
Speaker 3 (23:38):
What else?
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Who else is annoying you?
Speaker 6 (23:40):
Now? That's it? Ben Herbert's SoundBite not aging Well, Aaron
Glenn is a circus. And then I called bullshit on
Michael Jordan's Uh, I guess you would say his motivation
for doing TV.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Yeah, well, the Chargers are completely he banged up and
their strength coach acted like our director of player performs
acted like he had the cure for just such a thing.
So I'm gonna go with your night.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Why are we doing this because we can?
Speaker 6 (24:22):
There's a there's a docu series that actually has has
got a lot of traction on social media. It's called
Starting five Netflix follows uh sg A Tyrese Haliburton, Kevin Durant,
James Harden, and Jalen Brown around last year and Kevin
Durant's soundbites from this have gone viral like he's he's
(24:45):
just talking shit and he uses a lot of f words,
And he said this about James Harden's trade from the
Thunder to the Rockets back in the day.
Speaker 8 (24:56):
He pissed me off. Is like bron and d Wade
and so many dudes around the NBA send it tweets out,
like congrats to my bro James. He got his like
he going to Houston.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
He gonna kill it.
Speaker 8 (25:08):
When they were just happy that we weren't together on
when he was so happy, I know Brown, that was
so fucking happy that we wasn't together no more because
we was on the ass. Everybody in the league was like, man, James,
I'm so happy you And he was said, Man, you're
gonna kill it, bro, my bro. I was like, shut
the fuck up, y'all. Just I just fucking scared, y'all.
(25:29):
I knew he was on the way.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Love it. I love how I actually think in many ways,
Kevin Durant aligns very much with you, Jason. He is
somebody who is in search of the opposite of bullshit,
and it's always interesting to hear. Granted we're talking years
and years later, what the players themselves thought after that
(25:52):
deal was made, why could play for you because we can't.
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