October 29, 2025 • 26 mins
Doug riffs on load management in the wake of the comments made by Michael Jordan on NBC. Doug reacts to Derek Jeter's take on the Blue Jays. Doug chooses among deserving candidates Jason Stewart deems as most annoying today. Plus, Jaylen Brown makes today's installment of "Because We Can".
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Heres in
the Bonus with Doug Gottlieb.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
What up, Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio, iHeart Radio app.
Welcome in. I hope you're having just the best day
ever ever, best period day period ever, period. Yeah, but
do do do do so? I everybody's commenting on Michael
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Jordan's comment about load management, right, and Jordan, this is
the second time they had the MJ Insights into Excellence
basically where he's being interviewed in Tariko interviews him. I mean,
this is the greatest financial deal ever for a player,
with Michael Jordan forty five MILLI year. When he's asked
about load management, he said it shouldn't be needed first
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and foremost. You know, I never wanted to miss a
game because there's the opportunity to prove it was something
that I felt like, the fans are there to watch
me play. I want to impress that guy way up
to the top who probably worked his butt off to
get a ticket or to get the money to buy
a ticket. Jordan even said that the rule applied to
people who came to games to cheer against him. Yeah,
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because I knew he's probably yelling at me, and I
want to shut him up. You know, he's calling me
all kinds of names. I definitely want to shut him up.
You have a duty if they're waiting to see you
as an entertained, as an entertainer, I want to show. Right. So,
Jordan's making the classic old guy comment, but as the
classic old guy comment backed up with the fact that
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he did play in as many games seemingly as possible. Right.
There's a story even of the year that he was
injured in his second year in the NBA and how
badly he wanted to play and how much he was
held out, and then when he was finally allowed to play,
he had sixty three in the playoffs against the Boston Celtics,
who were not only the best team in the league
that year, but maybe the best Celtics team ever. All
(02:04):
that said, it it's really interesting here on how the
the juxtaposition of the league and how the league feels,
and how former players feel and how fans feel. It's
just a disconnect, a complete and utter disconnect with the
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fans and how it appears, and there's just no getting
out of it other than to go out there and
play and play more games or find better excuses. No
one has tried to play guys fewer minutes. That's never
been addressed. And why is that? Because guys are all
about their averages. In order to have a quality average,
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you have to play big minutes. It's just not possible
if you're averaging twenty five a game, and hey, we're
only gonna play them for half the game to night,
playing a little bit in the first then play in
the fourth quarter to try and win a game. Nobody
does that, even to lighten the load, if you will,
on your player. But Jordan's this is where NBC is brilliant, right.
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He's not saying anything that Barkley hadn't said, Shack hadn't said,
other great form of players have said. The difference is
he's Michael Jordan saying it. The difference is he's got
the years of service and the years of MVPs and
the stats in terms of number of games played to
prove it. And the difference is that it's on one
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of the networks that are carrying the NBA, and it's
in a one on one sit down with arguably the
greatest player of all time. The win last night the
true win was twofold one for Jordan because people look
up and go, damn, I didn't realize he played eighty
two games that many years, and two for NBC. I
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think the league lost. I think current players lost more
than anything else.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
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Speaker 2 (04:09):
Let's get to What the Fox Says and now every
day at this time of the Bonus Podcast, we played
for you a previous portion of a Fox Sports Radio
or Fox Sports One show. We call it what does
the Fox Say? This is Con Coward from the Herd
talking about the Dodgers.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
They are a big inning team. Nine times in the
playoffs they've scored four or more runs in an inning.
That's three times more than the Dodgers, and they dropped
a four spot in the seven seventh inning. But here's
a Dodger dilemma. There are six players in the World
Series that are hitting three hundred or better six five
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or Blue Jays, Addison Barger hitting four to twenty nine,
Vlad hitting four, Bobashett, Alejandro Kirk, Ernie Clement I mean,
and there's show Hey, Tawi's mixed in there, but it
is a real problem right now. Toronto gets bat on ball,
and last night's a prime example. Dave Roberts had talked
about show Hey bringing down the velocity to see if
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he could last longer, so he wasn't quite as dominating,
but he left it was two to one, and one
long after that it was six to one. Because this
is what Toronto does. They get bat on ball, and
so you can't ask for everybody to throw a complete game.
Blake Snell goes tonight. But the bigger issue is Max Months.
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He's hitting the buck seventy six. Mookie Betts is hitting
a bug fifty eight. Tommy Edmond, great defensive players hitting
the buck sixty seven, So good luck.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Stug outleap show here on Fox Sports Radio, and again
it's it's I just hate this small sample size. Obviously
Mookie struggling going back to even the last series as well,
So just using the small sample size of four World
Series games doesn't do the justice of the fact that
Mookie hasn't hit in a couple series. But look, the
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big one was the mistake to the mistake to Lad
Junior you know, you leave a sweeper up in the
zone and well, you know, he hits it out of
the park. That changed the series. But again, like you know,
the bullpen's been a problem. Jay Stu kind of alerted
it to us before anybody else alerted to us. And
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the fact is that they didn't do the job at
the trade deadline that probably need to be done, and
now they're going to pay for it.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
I listened to I listened to probably too much of
calling right. It's on when I'm showering, and it's on
when I'm driving in I like to listen to him
when I shower.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
Pause.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Now, because I listened every day, I think I have
this unique kind of perspective. Not only do I listen
every day, but I also have a deciphering eye because
this is what I do for a living, and I
just want because the listener probably doesn't know this. When
the postseason started, Colin said that the Mariners and the
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Brewers were going to play in the World Series. Mariners Brewers. Okay,
after Games one and two of the World Series, it
comes out on Monday, and he says, what's clear is
the two best teams in the major leagues are playing
in the World Series, okay, and then after Game three
he says, I just don't think Toronto's got it. I
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think this is something that they can't recover from. And
now it's speaking with authority about of course, the Boujays
do this. The Bojays put back on ball, they score
a ton of runs. I mean, this is this is
a problem for the Dodgers. Look at all these hitters.
When everyone knows there's a reason the Dodgers didn't have
a buye there. They go dark offensively. Their bullpen's one thing,
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but they do this all the time. The bou Jays
have like gamers, clutch hitters. The two games that the
Dodgers have won, they've had to grind it out with
the Yama Modo complete game, an eighteen inning game where
they needed eleven shutout in is from their bullpen. By
the way, the eleven shutout in is against their bullpen
came against a lineup that John Schneider chose to like
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cut in half. He took out all of those good
hitters and the Dodgers still couldn't quite put them away.
So it's like, yeah, it's alarming. You take away shoheyes,
theatrics and then Freddy Freeman's one home run. The offensive
disparity in this series is really troubling.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
In other words, he's actually not wrong about this one.
But you can only dig into that and buy into
it not being wrong if you completely forget about the
other stuff that he was wrong about previously.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
And he's he says, the Dodgers in six, that's another
thing that you need to add to that. That sound
by it's.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Just I, you know what is funny?
Speaker 2 (08:59):
You know, I honestly think Jase he gets caught in
the trap of what we try to avoid. It's like
he thinks you have to give a prediction. The only
thing worse than the like score prediction of one game
or the prediction of how a game's gonna go is
when you predict number of games in a series, right,
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Like how predictable is that? It's just not you know,
It's like you said, Clinton kersherl through ball four twice
and then they needed a great scoop play just to
get him out of an inning. Otherwise we don't get
an eighteenth inning heroics from Freddie Freeman. Like how anybody
knows it's gonna go in six? I don't know, I
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got no idea, none, none. Here's Derek Junor talking about
the impact of Bobaschett in the Blue Jays lineup with
the confidence with their offense.
Speaker 6 (09:51):
You can't replace George Springer. He's instant offense as Sousie
steps in the box first pitch of the game. But
if he's out and you need to replace someone, someone,
Bashett is a good replacement. I mean, like you said,
he's one of the best hitters in the American League
all season, one of the Blue Jays best hitter, especially
with runners in scoring position. So it seems like he's
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getting more and more comfortable. He's having better at bats.
Saw the double hit there as lasted bat Toronto. They're
in a good spot, man, They're in a good spot.
They are confident. They know regardless of what happens to them,
they can still bounce back. They believe that even if
no one else does.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Yeah, I don't think there's no one else does. I
hate that, but I do think that Jeter watching Bashett
get comfortable hit or hitter. That's where a Hall of
Famer can give you actual insight as opposed to grand
things that you know when they try and do you know,
breakdowns or big picture discussion. Like I do think that
Jeeter his baseball mind is firing when he's watching that.
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Here's Jonas knockson LaVar Arrington talking about the rule that
college faball players are now allowed are now allowed to
be pro athletes.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
The part about the Terry Rozier NBA story and the
NBA story that I think ties into this is the
real issue that they had was the fact that people
were giving away information about statuses of players health and
whether or not they were going to be partaking in
upcoming games, most notably Lebron James and the Damon Jones story.
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Damon Jones was tipping people off to Lebron's not playing
in this game, hammered the Milwaukee Bucks at the time.
You mean to tell me that none of these college
players like and I'm not saying this whatever happened, but
just for example, the thing, well, like they just played
with these guys. Like if you're if you're Jackson Dart's
teammate at Ole Miss and he's starting for the Giants,
you don't think Jackson Darts aware of who's playing and
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who's not in the upcoming Giants game. He's the quarterback
of that team. He's probably still got friends that are
at ole Miss. They could hit him up.
Speaker 7 (11:55):
And that's here's the thing.
Speaker 8 (11:58):
Who's to say, that's just not a normal regular conversation.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
Yes, and it's not even there's no ill intent, Like
there's no he's just like, man like, how's it going
up there? What's going?
Speaker 8 (12:08):
I don't know?
Speaker 5 (12:08):
Man? This week, you know, coach coach is playing it slow.
Speaker 8 (12:11):
We got a guard and a tackle down. You can
bet on all that we're going to go. We're probably
gonna run to the right side this week.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
You know, like just like tie it together.
Speaker 8 (12:20):
I just don't understand. Why wouldn't you call your your
friend in New York City or in California or in
Wyoming or Montana, yes, and tell them to place the
bet and then you get the money off of them.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Well, it's it's actually a brilliant point that they're making
because the the idea, the rule was was changed because people,
you know, the NCAA believes, hey, you can go. You're
gonna go. Sue us and say if if Joe average,
what are they called MPCs with MPC, what's the other church? Oh, NARPS, NPC, NARP,
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Doug is a sophomore at Green Bay. He can go
bet on you know, if it's legal in the state
of Wisconsin to bet on sports, why can't it be
legal for college athletes? And LeVar and Jonas are pointing
out exactly why. There's other reasons why, but that's a
pretty easy one. Trying to avoid insider information, which is
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like insider trading, and then you're creating more avenues for
it makes no sense. That's what the Fox Says say.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
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Speaker 2 (13:44):
Let's find out who what is annoying? Jason Stewart.
Speaker 9 (13:49):
And now it's your annoy Doug, A guy that I
really have grown to watch a lot in this postseason.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
As John Schnyder, the Blue Jays manager. I just like
his vibe. I like his uh. I just kind of
like he's an old school baseball guy. You can never
read him by by what's going on in the game.
You can never you don't know, just looking in his face.
So you know, the stupidity where the public sentiment somehow
creeps into questions from the national media. He was actually
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asked of what he would think about our rule proposal
where you can only intentionally walk about her once. So
this is what Uh, this is what he says to
the I give him credit for answering it instead of
being like, that's really stupid. You don't know baseball, He says,
an intentional walks are a part of the game. So, yeah,
(14:45):
I haven't thought about it at all. I'm seeing it
happen to some of my players quite a bit. Yeah,
I don't think that that rules coming anytime soon. I
don't think that was a good way of saying stupid question. Uh.
Then he adds this, and this is this is interesting.
I think if that rule comes in, they should also
put a rule that if you're a starting pitcher and
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you're done pitching, you can't hit. I think he's completely
justifiable to feel this way. Now. The only reason why
this rule exists. It's actually, I think referred to as
the Shoheo Tani rule. It applies to one person. There's
only one person who pitches, starts high leverage games and
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then continues to hit after he's taken out. And if
you're in the World Series and you're playing at the
highest level, that rule just seems like unfair. Like during
the regular season, it's like, yeah, it gives the fans
a chance to see show Hey for four or five
at bats a game. But if you're actually trying to
win a championship, it's like, why do I have to
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face against that rule? Why can't there be substitutions. This
is the manager that basically had to switch out his
entire offense in the eighteenth inning game, and the other
team is allowed to keep a pitcher hitting after they
pull him out.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Yeah, you could. You could do a double switch though
with show Hey, right, or you could move him to
a position. I mean, it's less than optimal, but you
could do it. Which one the other part? Huh?
Speaker 4 (16:15):
If this rules in place, and then you don't need
a double switch.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Right, No, if the rules in place that he can't.
If they made the rule where he can't continue to
hit when he gets taken out as a pitcher, right,
if that rule has changed, then you can just double
switch with him where you can play and play him
in the fields. Matter of fact, I never I've actually
never understood why. And again I I do, of course
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have respect for how hard is the field, but why
some people don't like if you don't like the and
I don't know if you can do it now with
the three hitter limit. But the idea of taking a
picture out righty, righty and then switching him into a
field or position, then bringing him back in when the
left he comes up like that, that hasn't been done
at this level, but maybe you could do that at
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times we show hey being a righty. Not sure, but
my thing is you could you could always put them
in the field, or you could always in double switch
that way, and I think the idea here is you're
double switching with him as the DH anyway, and the
double switch, which is kind of gone now obviously with
the with the universal DH. That was one of my
favorite parts to baseball. I just I thought that was
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how how managers could manipulate that was was fantastic And
obviously that's been taken away. Who else is annoying you?
Speaker 4 (17:29):
I think that the uh this exchange, So the Sarah
Spains in the world are going to before I play
this bite, I'm going to tell the listeners the Sarah
Spains of the world are going to point out that
there is a female on the set, and this is
live broadcast. So I guess you could say that the
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podcastization of network TV is that these dudes are acting
like they're on a podcast. And there's just some shit
that that that easily flies on podcasts that you just
can't do on network TV as you're a rights holder
for the NBA. And so Carmelo, Anthony and uh and
Vince Carter get real comfortable here. And then you add
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the aspect the Sarah Spains in the world who point
out that Maria Taylor's on the set, why are we
going here? That's making her uncomfortable? So here we go.
Speaker 8 (18:20):
For me, I've played kind of recently, right, So I
understood the mentality of the low management.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
I understood the conversation and the dialogue. Or did you
enjoy it when they tried to manage your load?
Speaker 10 (18:31):
No, because I'm huh, I was different.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
Here. It's late.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
I mean, obviously there was a pause needed there, right,
the verbal pause when I talked about it. I guess
I think I know, But I'd like you to say,
who are you annoyed at? From this clip?
Speaker 4 (18:56):
Again? So the Sarah Spains of the world, who's like.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
You did the Sarah Spains need to comment on this
because she's somehow uncoverable, or are you annoyed at podcast
guys that are used to podcast just you know, just
shooting the shooting the crap.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
Well, locker room talk is how dudes talk, and podcastization
of the networks is that these you put these guys
off a podcast on a network television, they're comfortable. But
the angle that bothers me is the handwringing about there's
a woman on the set and we're making jokes about
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each other's loads.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Yeah, this was locker room talk. I this is it's
like one of those I get it, but I'm with
you if if you're if you're bothered by that, maybe
sports is not the place for you, right, Doug.
Speaker 7 (19:53):
When when people get too casual on network TV like
they're on a podcast, we should call it having a pot.
How about that? How about that? That's a good one.
Thank you so much to thank you.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
What you said though, is it's a real thing, though,
I actually I think that's I think it's why so
many of these shows are such crap. Now, I was
watching College Game Day. I'm gonna clip College game to
some of these segments it's so bad. But it's not
just bad because you have guys that don't listen to
the question, or don't stay on topic, or they just
kind of they but they talk too long. And again
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I'm speaking from personal experience. The hardest thing for me
to do and to realize as a broadcaster was when
I get off a radio show and then you go
and do studio stuff, you're just too long winded. I
have that problem now with answering questions and some your
radio show. You can be longer that you don't need
to be that when you're a college basketball coach. Just
get to the point and get out. So I completely
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agree with the premise, and I also agree with you
on the again, the premise being that guys that are
coming from podcasts have no idea how to make that
switch in their mind to being on a halftime show,
which the the topic, the brevity are very very different
from what they're used to. But I again, I know
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you're much more annoyed at at the Sarah Spans of
the world complaining about things you don't need to complain.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
About that if Maria Taylor's on the set, then that
is an hr problem. If you're joking about each other's loads.
That is an HR problem. She would have a case
to take to HR.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
I mean, we already make HR out to be it's
the least fun people on the face of the earth.
So yeah, that's annoying.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
What else, Lamar Jackson, he's the one who took out
all the ping pong tables and pool tables and maybe
they had a sit down Miss pac Man, game anything
that was fun in the Ravens locker room. Lamar Jackson
told this guy named Kenneko, I guess probably the equipment guy,
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uh to get rid of it. This was what Lamar said.
Speaker 10 (22:04):
I told I had equipment to him to take all
the games ping pong, turn the TVs out, and.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
We could have took the TVs out.
Speaker 10 (22:13):
It'd have been on too. But I appreciate missus Steve
for putting out enough for us and know what wrong, Yeah,
we had to focus that. I wouldn't say people don't
take the jobs here and don't get me wrong, but
like I didn't fel like it with the time for that.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
You know, we got a lot of we got a
lot of ready.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
So that was like the w n B A sound
where somebody got a cell phone version of his answer,
and you could barely hurt. Basically, he said this, I
appreciate uh Steve Bashatti's uh Steve Bashadi for putting that
in for us, but we had to focus. I don't
want to say people don't take their job seriously, don't
get me wrong, but I didn't feel like it was
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this was time for that. We got work to do.
I love that. And you know what's annoying people that
are grab asses at work. And this is a generational thing.
I know, and I'm becoming a dinosaur believing this, but
work is work. Like honestly speaking, you don't work is
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not You're not paid to make friends and you're not
paid to have fun. You do not have the right
to enjoy work. Your compensation implies that you're doing a
service to make money for your company. So to pull
ping pong tables out of locker rooms and pull tables
and other fun activities because the leader on your team
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wants people to take their job serious. I'm all for
Lamar doing that. I'm actually much more impressed than I
ever was with the guy. I respect them, and annoying
people are the people that love to grab ass at work.
And when you call them on it, they get pissed
at you for being the downer. When we're all here
getting paid to work, We're not here getting paid to
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make friends.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
I love it. I'm completely with you on this one, completely, completely.
The like you have the rest of your time, you
can choose how much you want to work or how
much you want to grab ass when you're way away
from work. But when you're working, like, we're all here,
we all have to be here, we all have work
to do, and it is just kind of selfish when
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you're gonna grab ass instead of just get you done.
I think that's probably that's that's an easy winner for me.
It is. It's because in the the other stuff, like yeah,
I did the Sarah Spain complaining just to complain, Sure,
the lame questions when you don't know baseball at the
World Series, that's annoying, but nothing more annoying than hey,
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when we're working, like, let's work, let's get shit done.
Grab ass at work is annoyed.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Because we can.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Set it up for me.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
Jay Stu So, Jalen Brown, this is a this is
a sound of a voicemail. And I'm just I don't really,
I'm just gonna I'm gonna read verbate on what the
article on Complex dot Com says. Jalen Brown decided to
give Lebron James a call while addressing the ongoing bolding
jokes being hurled in his direction. As you may have seen,
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social media has become a blaze with speculation thanks to
big Game clip and the and the Celtics player seeing
below uh the NBA champ Jay. Jalen Brown later addressed
the ensuing chatter on stream, ultimately leading to him leaving
a voicemail for Lebron and the voicemail goes like this, co.
Speaker 8 (25:44):
Read and called me slipping.
Speaker 6 (25:45):
I need I need to know turkey and no turkey
and I ain't talking about no cheese.
Speaker 10 (25:49):
Soundwich.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
It's some real shit, bro, call you a little bro
back put all the other shit in the path.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
I'm pretty sure, Doug. That is referring to do I
just shave it all? Or do I do some version
of making up for it?
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Yes, that's it. That's the Do I fire it before
it quits? Right? Do I fire it before it quits
on me? That's exactly what that is. And a lot
of this comes the head because Talen Brown and whatever
he's put on his head, as rubbed off on. Other players,
ended up on their jerseys, and it's become a it's
become an internet meme. Why can we play that for you?
Because we can't. That's it for the end the Modus Podcast.
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Check at the radio show every day three to five Eastern,
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
What up, Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio, iHeart Radio app.
Welcome in. I hope you're having just the best day
ever ever, best period day period ever, period. Yeah, but
do do do do so? I everybody's commenting on Michael
(00:40):
Jordan's comment about load management, right, and Jordan, this is
the second time they had the MJ Insights into Excellence
basically where he's being interviewed in Tariko interviews him. I mean,
this is the greatest financial deal ever for a player,
with Michael Jordan forty five MILLI year. When he's asked
about load management, he said it shouldn't be needed first
(01:00):
and foremost. You know, I never wanted to miss a
game because there's the opportunity to prove it was something
that I felt like, the fans are there to watch
me play. I want to impress that guy way up
to the top who probably worked his butt off to
get a ticket or to get the money to buy
a ticket. Jordan even said that the rule applied to
people who came to games to cheer against him. Yeah,
(01:22):
because I knew he's probably yelling at me, and I
want to shut him up. You know, he's calling me
all kinds of names. I definitely want to shut him up.
You have a duty if they're waiting to see you
as an entertained, as an entertainer, I want to show. Right. So,
Jordan's making the classic old guy comment, but as the
classic old guy comment backed up with the fact that
(01:42):
he did play in as many games seemingly as possible. Right.
There's a story even of the year that he was
injured in his second year in the NBA and how
badly he wanted to play and how much he was
held out, and then when he was finally allowed to play,
he had sixty three in the playoffs against the Boston Celtics,
who were not only the best team in the league
that year, but maybe the best Celtics team ever. All
(02:04):
that said, it it's really interesting here on how the
the juxtaposition of the league and how the league feels,
and how former players feel and how fans feel. It's
just a disconnect, a complete and utter disconnect with the
(02:26):
fans and how it appears, and there's just no getting
out of it other than to go out there and
play and play more games or find better excuses. No
one has tried to play guys fewer minutes. That's never
been addressed. And why is that? Because guys are all
about their averages. In order to have a quality average,
(02:48):
you have to play big minutes. It's just not possible
if you're averaging twenty five a game, and hey, we're
only gonna play them for half the game to night,
playing a little bit in the first then play in
the fourth quarter to try and win a game. Nobody
does that, even to lighten the load, if you will,
on your player. But Jordan's this is where NBC is brilliant, right.
(03:10):
He's not saying anything that Barkley hadn't said, Shack hadn't said,
other great form of players have said. The difference is
he's Michael Jordan saying it. The difference is he's got
the years of service and the years of MVPs and
the stats in terms of number of games played to
prove it. And the difference is that it's on one
(03:30):
of the networks that are carrying the NBA, and it's
in a one on one sit down with arguably the
greatest player of all time. The win last night the
true win was twofold one for Jordan because people look
up and go, damn, I didn't realize he played eighty
two games that many years, and two for NBC. I
(03:53):
think the league lost. I think current players lost more
than anything else.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
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Speaker 2 (04:09):
Let's get to What the Fox Says and now every
day at this time of the Bonus Podcast, we played
for you a previous portion of a Fox Sports Radio
or Fox Sports One show. We call it what does
the Fox Say? This is Con Coward from the Herd
talking about the Dodgers.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
They are a big inning team. Nine times in the
playoffs they've scored four or more runs in an inning.
That's three times more than the Dodgers, and they dropped
a four spot in the seven seventh inning. But here's
a Dodger dilemma. There are six players in the World
Series that are hitting three hundred or better six five
(04:50):
or Blue Jays, Addison Barger hitting four to twenty nine,
Vlad hitting four, Bobashett, Alejandro Kirk, Ernie Clement I mean,
and there's show Hey, Tawi's mixed in there, but it
is a real problem right now. Toronto gets bat on ball,
and last night's a prime example. Dave Roberts had talked
about show Hey bringing down the velocity to see if
(05:12):
he could last longer, so he wasn't quite as dominating,
but he left it was two to one, and one
long after that it was six to one. Because this
is what Toronto does. They get bat on ball, and
so you can't ask for everybody to throw a complete game.
Blake Snell goes tonight. But the bigger issue is Max Months.
(05:32):
He's hitting the buck seventy six. Mookie Betts is hitting
a bug fifty eight. Tommy Edmond, great defensive players hitting
the buck sixty seven, So good luck.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Stug outleap show here on Fox Sports Radio, and again
it's it's I just hate this small sample size. Obviously
Mookie struggling going back to even the last series as well,
So just using the small sample size of four World
Series games doesn't do the justice of the fact that
Mookie hasn't hit in a couple series. But look, the
(06:08):
big one was the mistake to the mistake to Lad
Junior you know, you leave a sweeper up in the
zone and well, you know, he hits it out of
the park. That changed the series. But again, like you know,
the bullpen's been a problem. Jay Stu kind of alerted
it to us before anybody else alerted to us. And
(06:30):
the fact is that they didn't do the job at
the trade deadline that probably need to be done, and
now they're going to pay for it.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
I listened to I listened to probably too much of
calling right. It's on when I'm showering, and it's on
when I'm driving in I like to listen to him
when I shower.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
Pause.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Now, because I listened every day, I think I have
this unique kind of perspective. Not only do I listen
every day, but I also have a deciphering eye because
this is what I do for a living, and I
just want because the listener probably doesn't know this. When
the postseason started, Colin said that the Mariners and the
(07:12):
Brewers were going to play in the World Series. Mariners Brewers. Okay,
after Games one and two of the World Series, it
comes out on Monday, and he says, what's clear is
the two best teams in the major leagues are playing
in the World Series, okay, and then after Game three
he says, I just don't think Toronto's got it. I
(07:32):
think this is something that they can't recover from. And
now it's speaking with authority about of course, the Boujays
do this. The Bojays put back on ball, they score
a ton of runs. I mean, this is this is
a problem for the Dodgers. Look at all these hitters.
When everyone knows there's a reason the Dodgers didn't have
a buye there. They go dark offensively. Their bullpen's one thing,
(07:57):
but they do this all the time. The bou Jays
have like gamers, clutch hitters. The two games that the
Dodgers have won, they've had to grind it out with
the Yama Modo complete game, an eighteen inning game where
they needed eleven shutout in is from their bullpen. By
the way, the eleven shutout in is against their bullpen
came against a lineup that John Schneider chose to like
(08:19):
cut in half. He took out all of those good
hitters and the Dodgers still couldn't quite put them away.
So it's like, yeah, it's alarming. You take away shoheyes,
theatrics and then Freddy Freeman's one home run. The offensive
disparity in this series is really troubling.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
In other words, he's actually not wrong about this one.
But you can only dig into that and buy into
it not being wrong if you completely forget about the
other stuff that he was wrong about previously.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
And he's he says, the Dodgers in six, that's another
thing that you need to add to that. That sound
by it's.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Just I, you know what is funny?
Speaker 2 (08:59):
You know, I honestly think Jase he gets caught in
the trap of what we try to avoid. It's like
he thinks you have to give a prediction. The only
thing worse than the like score prediction of one game
or the prediction of how a game's gonna go is
when you predict number of games in a series, right,
(09:20):
Like how predictable is that? It's just not you know,
It's like you said, Clinton kersherl through ball four twice
and then they needed a great scoop play just to
get him out of an inning. Otherwise we don't get
an eighteenth inning heroics from Freddie Freeman. Like how anybody
knows it's gonna go in six? I don't know, I
(09:41):
got no idea, none, none. Here's Derek Junor talking about
the impact of Bobaschett in the Blue Jays lineup with
the confidence with their offense.
Speaker 6 (09:51):
You can't replace George Springer. He's instant offense as Sousie
steps in the box first pitch of the game. But
if he's out and you need to replace someone, someone,
Bashett is a good replacement. I mean, like you said,
he's one of the best hitters in the American League
all season, one of the Blue Jays best hitter, especially
with runners in scoring position. So it seems like he's
(10:12):
getting more and more comfortable. He's having better at bats.
Saw the double hit there as lasted bat Toronto. They're
in a good spot, man, They're in a good spot.
They are confident. They know regardless of what happens to them,
they can still bounce back. They believe that even if
no one else does.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Yeah, I don't think there's no one else does. I
hate that, but I do think that Jeter watching Bashett
get comfortable hit or hitter. That's where a Hall of
Famer can give you actual insight as opposed to grand
things that you know when they try and do you know,
breakdowns or big picture discussion. Like I do think that
Jeeter his baseball mind is firing when he's watching that.
(10:54):
Here's Jonas knockson LaVar Arrington talking about the rule that
college faball players are now allowed are now allowed to
be pro athletes.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
The part about the Terry Rozier NBA story and the
NBA story that I think ties into this is the
real issue that they had was the fact that people
were giving away information about statuses of players health and
whether or not they were going to be partaking in
upcoming games, most notably Lebron James and the Damon Jones story.
(11:25):
Damon Jones was tipping people off to Lebron's not playing
in this game, hammered the Milwaukee Bucks at the time.
You mean to tell me that none of these college
players like and I'm not saying this whatever happened, but
just for example, the thing, well, like they just played
with these guys. Like if you're if you're Jackson Dart's
teammate at Ole Miss and he's starting for the Giants,
you don't think Jackson Darts aware of who's playing and
(11:47):
who's not in the upcoming Giants game. He's the quarterback
of that team. He's probably still got friends that are
at ole Miss. They could hit him up.
Speaker 7 (11:55):
And that's here's the thing.
Speaker 8 (11:58):
Who's to say, that's just not a normal regular conversation.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
Yes, and it's not even there's no ill intent, Like
there's no he's just like, man like, how's it going
up there? What's going?
Speaker 8 (12:08):
I don't know?
Speaker 5 (12:08):
Man? This week, you know, coach coach is playing it slow.
Speaker 8 (12:11):
We got a guard and a tackle down. You can
bet on all that we're going to go. We're probably
gonna run to the right side this week.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
You know, like just like tie it together.
Speaker 8 (12:20):
I just don't understand. Why wouldn't you call your your
friend in New York City or in California or in
Wyoming or Montana, yes, and tell them to place the
bet and then you get the money off of them.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Well, it's it's actually a brilliant point that they're making
because the the idea, the rule was was changed because people,
you know, the NCAA believes, hey, you can go. You're
gonna go. Sue us and say if if Joe average,
what are they called MPCs with MPC, what's the other church? Oh, NARPS, NPC, NARP,
(13:04):
Doug is a sophomore at Green Bay. He can go
bet on you know, if it's legal in the state
of Wisconsin to bet on sports, why can't it be
legal for college athletes? And LeVar and Jonas are pointing
out exactly why. There's other reasons why, but that's a
pretty easy one. Trying to avoid insider information, which is
(13:26):
like insider trading, and then you're creating more avenues for
it makes no sense. That's what the Fox Says say.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Let's find out who what is annoying? Jason Stewart.
Speaker 9 (13:49):
And now it's your annoy Doug, A guy that I
really have grown to watch a lot in this postseason.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
As John Schnyder, the Blue Jays manager. I just like
his vibe. I like his uh. I just kind of
like he's an old school baseball guy. You can never
read him by by what's going on in the game.
You can never you don't know, just looking in his face.
So you know, the stupidity where the public sentiment somehow
creeps into questions from the national media. He was actually
(14:24):
asked of what he would think about our rule proposal
where you can only intentionally walk about her once. So
this is what Uh, this is what he says to
the I give him credit for answering it instead of
being like, that's really stupid. You don't know baseball, He says,
an intentional walks are a part of the game. So, yeah,
(14:45):
I haven't thought about it at all. I'm seeing it
happen to some of my players quite a bit. Yeah,
I don't think that that rules coming anytime soon. I
don't think that was a good way of saying stupid question. Uh.
Then he adds this, and this is this is interesting.
I think if that rule comes in, they should also
put a rule that if you're a starting pitcher and
(15:07):
you're done pitching, you can't hit. I think he's completely
justifiable to feel this way. Now. The only reason why
this rule exists. It's actually, I think referred to as
the Shoheo Tani rule. It applies to one person. There's
only one person who pitches, starts high leverage games and
(15:28):
then continues to hit after he's taken out. And if
you're in the World Series and you're playing at the
highest level, that rule just seems like unfair. Like during
the regular season, it's like, yeah, it gives the fans
a chance to see show Hey for four or five
at bats a game. But if you're actually trying to
win a championship, it's like, why do I have to
(15:51):
face against that rule? Why can't there be substitutions. This
is the manager that basically had to switch out his
entire offense in the eighteenth inning game, and the other
team is allowed to keep a pitcher hitting after they
pull him out.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Yeah, you could. You could do a double switch though
with show Hey, right, or you could move him to
a position. I mean, it's less than optimal, but you
could do it. Which one the other part? Huh?
Speaker 4 (16:15):
If this rules in place, and then you don't need
a double switch.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Right, No, if the rules in place that he can't.
If they made the rule where he can't continue to
hit when he gets taken out as a pitcher, right,
if that rule has changed, then you can just double
switch with him where you can play and play him
in the fields. Matter of fact, I never I've actually
never understood why. And again I I do, of course
(16:38):
have respect for how hard is the field, but why
some people don't like if you don't like the and
I don't know if you can do it now with
the three hitter limit. But the idea of taking a
picture out righty, righty and then switching him into a
field or position, then bringing him back in when the
left he comes up like that, that hasn't been done
at this level, but maybe you could do that at
(16:59):
times we show hey being a righty. Not sure, but
my thing is you could you could always put them
in the field, or you could always in double switch
that way, and I think the idea here is you're
double switching with him as the DH anyway, and the
double switch, which is kind of gone now obviously with
the with the universal DH. That was one of my
favorite parts to baseball. I just I thought that was
(17:21):
how how managers could manipulate that was was fantastic And
obviously that's been taken away. Who else is annoying you?
Speaker 4 (17:29):
I think that the uh this exchange, So the Sarah
Spains in the world are going to before I play
this bite, I'm going to tell the listeners the Sarah
Spains of the world are going to point out that
there is a female on the set, and this is
live broadcast. So I guess you could say that the
(17:50):
podcastization of network TV is that these dudes are acting
like they're on a podcast. And there's just some shit
that that that easily flies on podcasts that you just
can't do on network TV as you're a rights holder
for the NBA. And so Carmelo, Anthony and uh and
Vince Carter get real comfortable here. And then you add
(18:11):
the aspect the Sarah Spains in the world who point
out that Maria Taylor's on the set, why are we
going here? That's making her uncomfortable? So here we go.
Speaker 8 (18:20):
For me, I've played kind of recently, right, So I
understood the mentality of the low management.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
I understood the conversation and the dialogue. Or did you
enjoy it when they tried to manage your load?
Speaker 10 (18:31):
No, because I'm huh, I was different.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
Here. It's late.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
I mean, obviously there was a pause needed there, right,
the verbal pause when I talked about it. I guess
I think I know, But I'd like you to say,
who are you annoyed at? From this clip?
Speaker 4 (18:56):
Again? So the Sarah Spains of the world, who's like.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
You did the Sarah Spains need to comment on this
because she's somehow uncoverable, or are you annoyed at podcast
guys that are used to podcast just you know, just
shooting the shooting the crap.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
Well, locker room talk is how dudes talk, and podcastization
of the networks is that these you put these guys
off a podcast on a network television, they're comfortable. But
the angle that bothers me is the handwringing about there's
a woman on the set and we're making jokes about
(19:33):
each other's loads.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Yeah, this was locker room talk. I this is it's
like one of those I get it, but I'm with
you if if you're if you're bothered by that, maybe
sports is not the place for you, right, Doug.
Speaker 7 (19:53):
When when people get too casual on network TV like
they're on a podcast, we should call it having a pot.
How about that? How about that? That's a good one.
Thank you so much to thank you.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
What you said though, is it's a real thing, though,
I actually I think that's I think it's why so
many of these shows are such crap. Now, I was
watching College Game Day. I'm gonna clip College game to
some of these segments it's so bad. But it's not
just bad because you have guys that don't listen to
the question, or don't stay on topic, or they just
kind of they but they talk too long. And again
(20:26):
I'm speaking from personal experience. The hardest thing for me
to do and to realize as a broadcaster was when
I get off a radio show and then you go
and do studio stuff, you're just too long winded. I
have that problem now with answering questions and some your
radio show. You can be longer that you don't need
to be that when you're a college basketball coach. Just
get to the point and get out. So I completely
(20:46):
agree with the premise, and I also agree with you
on the again, the premise being that guys that are
coming from podcasts have no idea how to make that
switch in their mind to being on a halftime show,
which the the topic, the brevity are very very different
from what they're used to. But I again, I know
(21:06):
you're much more annoyed at at the Sarah Spans of
the world complaining about things you don't need to complain.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
About that if Maria Taylor's on the set, then that
is an hr problem. If you're joking about each other's loads.
That is an HR problem. She would have a case
to take to HR.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
I mean, we already make HR out to be it's
the least fun people on the face of the earth.
So yeah, that's annoying.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
What else, Lamar Jackson, he's the one who took out
all the ping pong tables and pool tables and maybe
they had a sit down Miss pac Man, game anything
that was fun in the Ravens locker room. Lamar Jackson
told this guy named Kenneko, I guess probably the equipment guy,
(22:01):
uh to get rid of it. This was what Lamar said.
Speaker 10 (22:04):
I told I had equipment to him to take all
the games ping pong, turn the TVs out, and.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
We could have took the TVs out.
Speaker 10 (22:13):
It'd have been on too. But I appreciate missus Steve
for putting out enough for us and know what wrong, Yeah,
we had to focus that. I wouldn't say people don't
take the jobs here and don't get me wrong, but
like I didn't fel like it with the time for that.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
You know, we got a lot of we got a
lot of ready.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
So that was like the w n B A sound
where somebody got a cell phone version of his answer,
and you could barely hurt. Basically, he said this, I
appreciate uh Steve Bashatti's uh Steve Bashadi for putting that
in for us, but we had to focus. I don't
want to say people don't take their job seriously, don't
get me wrong, but I didn't feel like it was
(22:50):
this was time for that. We got work to do.
I love that. And you know what's annoying people that
are grab asses at work. And this is a generational thing.
I know, and I'm becoming a dinosaur believing this, but
work is work. Like honestly speaking, you don't work is
(23:11):
not You're not paid to make friends and you're not
paid to have fun. You do not have the right
to enjoy work. Your compensation implies that you're doing a
service to make money for your company. So to pull
ping pong tables out of locker rooms and pull tables
and other fun activities because the leader on your team
(23:33):
wants people to take their job serious. I'm all for
Lamar doing that. I'm actually much more impressed than I
ever was with the guy. I respect them, and annoying
people are the people that love to grab ass at work.
And when you call them on it, they get pissed
at you for being the downer. When we're all here
getting paid to work, We're not here getting paid to
(23:55):
make friends.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
I love it. I'm completely with you on this one, completely, completely.
The like you have the rest of your time, you
can choose how much you want to work or how
much you want to grab ass when you're way away
from work. But when you're working, like, we're all here,
we all have to be here, we all have work
to do, and it is just kind of selfish when
(24:18):
you're gonna grab ass instead of just get you done.
I think that's probably that's that's an easy winner for me.
It is. It's because in the the other stuff, like yeah,
I did the Sarah Spain complaining just to complain, Sure,
the lame questions when you don't know baseball at the
World Series, that's annoying, but nothing more annoying than hey,
(24:42):
when we're working, like, let's work, let's get shit done.
Grab ass at work is annoyed.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Because we can.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Set it up for me.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
Jay Stu So, Jalen Brown, this is a this is
a sound of a voicemail. And I'm just I don't really,
I'm just gonna I'm gonna read verbate on what the
article on Complex dot Com says. Jalen Brown decided to
give Lebron James a call while addressing the ongoing bolding
jokes being hurled in his direction. As you may have seen,
(25:22):
social media has become a blaze with speculation thanks to
big Game clip and the and the Celtics player seeing
below uh the NBA champ Jay. Jalen Brown later addressed
the ensuing chatter on stream, ultimately leading to him leaving
a voicemail for Lebron and the voicemail goes like this, co.
Speaker 8 (25:44):
Read and called me slipping.
Speaker 6 (25:45):
I need I need to know turkey and no turkey
and I ain't talking about no cheese.
Speaker 10 (25:49):
Soundwich.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
It's some real shit, bro, call you a little bro
back put all the other shit in the path.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
I'm pretty sure, Doug. That is referring to do I
just shave it all? Or do I do some version
of making up for it?
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Yes, that's it. That's the Do I fire it before
it quits? Right? Do I fire it before it quits
on me? That's exactly what that is. And a lot
of this comes the head because Talen Brown and whatever
he's put on his head, as rubbed off on. Other players,
ended up on their jerseys, and it's become a it's
become an internet meme. Why can we play that for you?
Because we can't. That's it for the end the Modus Podcast.
(26:26):
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