November 5, 2025 • 24 mins
Doug explains how college football and the NFL are becoming more like Major League Baseball. Doug reacts to Dan Patrick's take on the Colts. Doug chooses among deserving candidates Jason Stewart deems as most annoying today. Plus, Kike' Hernandez makes today's installment of "Because We Can".
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, is the Doug gottlie Show years in the
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
What Up Doug Gottlieb Show and the Bonus B Sports
Radio a radio app. You know, it's it's really interesting
college football and NFL football seem to on some level
be becoming Major League baseball. Hey what yeah? I said it. Hey,
(00:33):
welcome in. Uh we got a really really good podcast
hour for you. Here's what I mean. Obviously, now you
see the Quinn Williams trade, you see the Sauce Gardner trade,
and the New York Jets are playing for probably not
even next year, in two or three years, right, They're
they're gonna scrap it and start over. And now they
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have four first five first round picks to choose from
our four first round picks to choose from, because Dallas
is an either ordeal anyway, they got there just swimming
in picks. And well, I'll give you a Jason McIntyre's
thoughts on he's the notable Jets fan who will use
in what the Fox said. I disagree they're gonna draft
another quarterback. And that's why you get a bunch of picks.
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If you can't get it where your picks lie, Well,
then you use your multiple picks to trade up and
get the quarterback that you want. Makes sense. Gotta start over.
Justin Fields isn't the guy. If they thought Justin Fields
was the guy, then their owner wouldn't have said, we
got a quarterback that can't complete a pass. But you
look at the Jets, the Saints and the bottom of
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the league, and maybe it's always been this way, but
the but the waving of the white flag on November
fourth and fifth. Then you look at college football and
the coaching firings in the SEC, Auburn, Florida, Arkansas, LSU. Right,
what do all those signify, Well, all of those programs
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are not actually competitive at the end of the year.
They've gone into bowl season mode where they can run
trick plays because there's no real other than Petrino trying
to get the Arkansas job and he won't. Everybody else
is hey, they're just trying to put together the resume,
keep things as fun as possible, and get their next
job because those schools are cleaning house. But here's where
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they like baseball. Baseball stats, once you get to the
September callups, now you got minor leaguers pitching against major leaguers,
and you really can't take those September lot of the
September game seriously because the talent on the field is
not top level Major League Baseball talent. It's the same
with the NFL with college football at the end of
the year with half these schools. Think of what we've
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done to these late November games that are rivalry games,
and now some of the teams have lost half their
players because they're in the portal, because they fired their coach.
I don't think it's good for the sport. I don't
think it's good for or TV. I don't think it's
something that we should be encouraging. College football's biggest numbers
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in terms of watchability is in November, and now half
the games are not going to be competitive because teams
that have started out poorly have already fired their coaches.
And the same goes for the NFL.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
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Speaker 2 (03:27):
Let's get to the Fox and now say, Here's Brady Quinn,
LeVar Arrington and Jonas Knocks talking about the Cardinals going
with Jacoby Brissett as their starting quarterback.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Some people had high expectations for them this season. I'm
not gonna say who those people were, but some people
had high expectations.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Crazy on me, was it?
Speaker 5 (03:47):
You?
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Man? I said Seattle was the dark horse for the West.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
That's that's what she said.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Yeah, I said, look, everybody out here is sweating the car,
gimba hug for met, little shorty out here callum you know,
and cocktail sauce. But me, I stood stat fast. I said,
watch what Sam, give that man a hug for me.
Watch what he does when he gets out there to Seattle.
It's going to be crazy.
Speaker 6 (04:12):
Great point.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Remember, in all seriousness, they gotta he's gonna start winning
some games.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
It seems as though if you're able to defense an
offense that way with with a mobile quarterback, you have
a very very you raise your chance chances significantly of
being able to defense that team.
Speaker 7 (04:34):
It feels to me like Jonathan Gannon looks at this
and goes, I'm twelve games under five hundred in Arizona
as a head coach. I gotta try and get this
thing turned around. I'm gonna be out of a job,
and I'd rather trust my future in the hands with
Jacoby Brissett than I would with Kyler Murray at this point.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yeah, listen, I think it's basically who leads the guys better,
and and it's not just about who leads the guys better,
but who you can trust more to make the right
make the right throw. We have that in college basketball.
You know, I have guys that if you had a
one on one game, you're like, well, I take this
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guy even five on five and pickup. But in order
to play team defense, you got to know what everybody
else is doing and do your job. I totally understand
what Jonathan Ganzou. He's like, Look, I'm going with experience
and safe rather than a higher ceiling in Caller Murray.
And the other part about Caller Murray is all those
stories wouldn't have got out if he was a great leader.
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Here's Dan Patrick talking about the Colts training for Sauce Gardner.
Speaker 8 (05:43):
This is a championship caliber move because you get a
really good corner and it feels like they're all in,
and why wouldn't you be. I think the Colts have
to look around and go the AFC is open like
the Chiefs may not make the playoffs, and then you
got the Buffalo Bills. They didn't make any moves. I
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was really surprised. I thought Buffalo was going to make
some moves. Here you stumble into Daniel Jones. I mean,
you were really really It's almost like what the Niners
did with brock Purty. You screwed up Trey Lance and
then brock perty came in and saved you. You screwed
up Anthony Richardson, and now you got Danny Dimes to
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help save the day. And you got to look at
this and say, we can not only win our division,
we can win the AFC. And I like the thinking
you're all in. You prove that, and that's believability in
Daniel Jones that he is your quarterback. And to add
that to your defense. I thought it was a great
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move for them if they felt that's the one piece
that we really needed.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
It also signifies, with the two the trades, that the
Jets have smartly packed it in and are playing for
the future. It does make you wonder in terms of
Sauce Gardner granted, drafted by a different general manager than
the one who traded him, but it does make you
wonder if there's something missing and that's going to get
exposed when he gets to the higher level against with
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the Colts. Here's Jason McIntyre filling in for Colin Cowhard
talking about the Jets.
Speaker 9 (07:18):
Let me go to my hometown roots, the New York
Jets and folks, it's been a long time since we've
had anything to cheer about. And then on NFL trade
deadline Day, it becomes basically the greatest day in franchise
history for anyone under the age of fifty. Obviously, you
know the Jets one with Joe Namath the way back
in the day. Colin loves to reference those days. I
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don't I don't know them. They're foreign to me. So
as a Jets fan, the reason I'm celebrating is the trades.
You know, it wasn't working with the defensive strategy, as
is often the case in the NFL. We'll talk about
that later with a couple of great guests, but they're
going offense and they have moved off Sauce Gardner, the
great cornerback who was an All Pro in his first
two seasons, and Quinn William he shipped to Dallas. Folks,
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it is a celebratory day. If you're a Jets fan,
this season's gonna be tough. I saw one of these
who won the trades. The twenty twenty five Jets are
listed as losers. They're gonna stake this season.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
We're one and seven.
Speaker 9 (08:14):
Yes, I could say we and maybe we win a
couple games, but it's not about this year. It's for
the future, because folks, we rich. We got a war
chest of picks.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
In the next two drafts.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Yeah, I don't know what he's talking about. They're moving
off of a defensive mentality, Like, no, they're not. They're
they're trading away guys who are set to make gigantic
money in contract extensions and getting a volume of picks
so they can draft their next quarterback and completely remake
their roster. Has nothing to do with an offensive or
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defensive mentality. It has to do with the fact that
they haven't won a game, or they won they won
a game, whatever, None of it matters. They just want
to get a dearth of picks and then my next
guest would be at some point they'll probably trade those
first round picks one try and bundle it to get
the quarterback that they want and then two. If the
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owner comes out and says, uh, quarterback just needs to
complete a pass, he's telling you that's not my guy.
So you're gonna draft one next year. Eventually he'll beat
out Justin Fields or you'll move off Justin Fields, and
then you'll have your next quarterback. And then with the
rest of the first round picks, they may take one more,
but they'll probably trade them for second round picks and
third round picks and just get a depth of picks
in a hole and they're starting over. That's what they're doing.
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That's what the Fox said, do say.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
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Speaker 2 (09:49):
Let's find out who are What's annoying Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 6 (10:01):
Hey, Doug. I'm gonna say this is a Disney Verse
Google thing, because I want people to know that these
are two massive corporations worth trillions of dollars that are
putting consumers that make you, know, your common wage, they're
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taking away their entertainment. Disney Verse Google, this is not
a YouTube TV versus ESPN thing. I want to offer
up a couple perspectives here. I think each of them
have value. Mike Flourio for all you haters out there
who kind of think he's maybe too woke or two
player friendly or whatever. He's been all over this, like
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from the second this was going to be a thing,
and he offers up this, if you.
Speaker 10 (10:49):
Truly care about the people who allow you to exist,
get the deal done. It doesn't make any sense. It
does from the standpoint of playing this game of corporate
tug of war with millions, if not billions, on the line.
But you're going to get a deal done someday. Get
it done today. It would be a great gesture to
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all of us who are paying you a lot of
money every month for your products. If you would set
aside your differences, go into a room, negotiate until you
get a deal done. Make it happen, YouTube TV, Make
it happen, ESPN, Make it happen. Disney, for all of
your customers out there who are waiting to watch football again.
Speaker 6 (11:31):
An annoying thing that's happened this week is that all
the hosts on Disney properties, so we're talking about Good
Morning in America and then all the ESPN shows have
been compelled to read this script that says head over
to keepmnetworks dot com. Well, it's a very heavily slanted
Disney agenda because if you head over to keepmnetworks dot com,
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it basically blames YouTube, TV and Google for holding this up.
This is both of their faults. I'm not going to
I'm not going to weigh in on one way or
the other. But Pat McAfee, to his credit, went against
the grain refused to read the script and then took
it to another level.
Speaker 11 (12:10):
We're all done with it. Okay, figure, we're all done
with it. And also, if you're on TV, stop telling
people to go to a website to save a multi
billion dollar deal. Okay, nobody cares what you have to say.
We there will be nothing that we say or any
website that'll be visited that'll get this thing. There are
I don't wanna say the exact names, but these people.
Speaker 6 (12:31):
Spar sorts though, Yeah, spar sorts out for good.
Speaker 11 (12:34):
Sports need each other. A lot of people saying greedy corporate,
greedy corporate. It's like, yeah, need each other, especially with
where sports are right now, and we're in the middle
of it.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
So let's get that done. Let's get that done now.
Speaker 11 (12:46):
So I'm asking me to go to a website.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Yeah, I want to work.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 11 (12:50):
I don't want to do that, So stop at all. Yeah,
reality of the world. Yeah, all you're doing is pissing
everybody off even more so it's like, let's just not
do that.
Speaker 12 (13:00):
So good thing.
Speaker 6 (13:04):
You think.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
You think what Pat McAfee's doing is a good thing.
Speaker 6 (13:07):
I think it takes balls to not read the script
that Disney's compelling the host to read and say.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
I'll just tell you right now. Again. It takes balls
only because they obviously feel like they can't fire him.
It's a firebole offense to anybody else. It spirable pens
just you understand about Pat, and I think Pat's talented.
This is what he does. Everywhere he goes, he goes
somewhere something makes him mad. He goes on air, okay,
and everybody fucking hates not the guys that work for him,
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but any company he's been with has bought him out
before his contract's over because he just blows it up
with shit like this, Like this is one of those
He's not wrong, but he's wrong. If you don't fucking
like Disney or how they do business, you shouldn't be
working for fucking Disney. You shouldn't have sold your production
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company's rights to Disney. And the least you can fucking
do when you're probably the second highest paid guy there
is go, hey, they asked me to do this shit.
I do this shit. That's because he's a fucking kicker,
not a teammate. I gotta tell you. It's an awful
look awful awful. You may think Jason that again, and
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I've I don't mind the as you know, like I've
ruffled feathers, Like just because we work in the same
company doesn't mean I can't call you out on bullshit.
But there's certainly things that when you represent a company,
like what are you doing? What are you fucking doing?
Couldn't disagree with you more? Yeah, is it annoying? The
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carriage dispute, Yes, these's been going on in perpetuity forever.
And ESPN has every right to go like, hey, we're
gonna hold the line and hold our price and Google
on YouTube, they have every right. That's fucking business. And
who suffers? People suffer, and what happens in the meantime
is they'll there'll be somebody some other device that will
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be or cable service or direct TV or somebody or
some streaming service or fuck even the hack stuff, you
know where you get dudes bootlegging ways. They'll they'll find
ways to watch their football games. But when you work
for a company and they're in a dispute with another company,
you have two choices. Either stay out of it and
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say nothing, or support the cause. Instead, you've taken the
opposite tacked. I'm just telling you, Jason, like the truth
about Pat, and I don't know Pat. I have no
problem with Pat. I can tell you that a lot
that people can't fucking stand him, that have worked with him,
can't stand him. Go back and track through it, and
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in many ways, it's like he wants to get fired,
he wants to get bought out, to go find the
next spot, to go, think the next thing, to go
do the next thing. So I just think it's being
a terrible teammate to everybody else who works at Disney.
Speaker 6 (15:58):
Yeah, there's been reporting even in recent weeks about how
ESPN higher ups and producers are sick of his shit,
And you're right, But I think there's just we talk
about this with Aaron Rodgers. There's something admirable about somebody
who has full autonomy, who has fuck you money or
a fuck you situation where if you don't want me,
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I could find the next corporation to pay me a
bunch of money and then I'll piss them off. I
think it's admirable. But what annoys me about this is
that we have mega corporations squabbling and people that just
want to mind like a common wage and watch their
Monday night football couldn't do it on Monday night, including me,
and I really thought this would be ended by the
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time live NFL games started.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
You and Me, both you and Me, both.
Speaker 6 (16:48):
The top ten rated shows on TV I think for
the past ten years have been live NFL games. I
just can't believe they did that. So Jean Morant is
annoying for a while. The reasons I think he has
served his one game suspension.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Or yeah, yep.
Speaker 6 (17:04):
The cool thing about John Moran is that it's brought
out like future Hall of Famers, you know, new TV types,
So Blake Griffin and Carmelo. I think Blake's on the
Amazon product and Carmelo's on NBC. This is Carmelo on jaw.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
Joah has to man up. He's been through all of
this before. You're being tested again to see if you're
gonna fold up. You're gonna stand and tested time. The
coaches is testing you, the organization is testing you, the city,
the fans is testing you. For me, how are you
gonna bounce back? How are you gonna move on from this?
How are you going to own up?
Speaker 13 (17:37):
Man?
Speaker 5 (17:37):
Uplook yourself in the mirrors, take ownership to your part,
and still go out there and do what you gotta do.
Put your big boy pants on. Let's go play basketball, man.
Speaker 6 (17:45):
Put your big boy pants on. And then Blake Griffin,
this is before the suspension. I think over the week.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Because this is the part that I saw after they
lost to the Lakers.
Speaker 7 (17:54):
But what did you see from John Moran?
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Blake?
Speaker 13 (17:56):
I didn't love what I saw from John Moran tonight.
I mean, this is a guy who is insanely talented.
I mean, right here, speed is his number one weapon.
And coming off a ball screen, passing the ball like
this kind of lazily cutting to the corner, that's just
not what's going to get it done for Memphis. And
now the back cut I think you've got to go
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for that right there, and then the very next possession
coming down and you're kind of just standing in the
corner straight up, not even really engaged at all, almost
having a conversation with Marcus Smart, Like for a guy
that's making forty million dollars and needs to be the
leader of this team, Like, I just don't love it.
I don't know if he was not feeling well, if
he's hurt, but that to me is a very bad
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sign and it's something that needs to it has to change. Yes,
the Memphis Grizzlies will only go as far as Jean
Moran takes it. And when he's engaged, I mean, we've
seen it. He's unbelievable. He's an all world talent. But
that type of effort right there, that's the thing that
we will call out and Ud, you are an effort guy.
The Miami he is an effort organization. I know, I
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know you would have had something to say if you
were on that team right there and you saw that have.
Speaker 6 (19:08):
So Jean Moran's annoying. He saidgestion that that the joy
for basketball is gone, but at the very least it's
brought out some pretty good takes from former ballers that
we hadn't seen do TV work.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
No question, I thought Blake Griffin was really prepared, and
then he the way in which he sold it was
really good in that he didn't he didn't do the
stephen A over the top stuff. This is that, This
is how, this is what it looks like when you're
in a film room. When you're not You're you're being
confrontation without being confrontational, like, Hey, what's the best thing
you do? You turned the corner with great speed? Are
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you doing that here?
Speaker 6 (19:42):
Like?
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Are you sick? Are you hurt? What's going on? It
was absolutely brilliant television for a guy who's new into
the analyst space. But again, this is all reports were.
The previous staff got fired because they couldn't figure out
John Morant, and this staff is they're they're doing a
our way or the high and right now he's towards
the highway. My son's one of the biggest jam Moran
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fans out there. He texted me like, Dad, is Ja
Moran a clown? I was like, kinda feels like it
feels like it sad though, because he's so talented and
he was so likable. At Murray State in his early
years in the NBA. But the off court stuff, the
gunst the gun stuff, who he's hanging around, and the
suspensions and now the attitude stuff is a is a
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major turn off.
Speaker 6 (20:26):
Chris mad Dog Russo, what was he screaming about yesterday?
He was screaming about. Uh, Joe Davis is was the
play by playman for the World Series. Joe Davis is
a play by playman for the Dodgers. Though he didn't
do a lot of games this year, he has been
with the Dodgers for many years.
Speaker 7 (20:48):
Well.
Speaker 6 (20:48):
Uh, he mc the celebration thing at Dodgers Stadium the
other day, and Chris Russo did not like that.
Speaker 12 (20:56):
When you're a national broadcaster and you're the voice of
the sport on it big stage, when you did a
million playoff games and then the one of the crippling
mousses that a franchise is gonna have. And I got
Shoe Basic and the body's not even cold yet, and
I got show at Dodger Stadion doing a freaking Dodger parade.
I got Joe Davis shaking everybody's hand. Give me a
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freak yomam shaking, freaking Tani's hand and he's freaking whack.
He's getting rings. That is you could say, I'm being hard.
That's ridiculous, Chris, what's the big deal he dusted games? Nonsense.
He's the voice of the World Series. He's supposed to
be right down in the middle. Obviously, he's mooting his
ass off for the Dodgers in the World Series. And
everybody who I spoke to hated the idea. They sensed
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he was looking the Dodgers bought the World Series and
has called the end was ridiculous.
Speaker 6 (21:43):
One counterpoint, one counterpoint. Mad Dog Vin Scully was the
national play by play announcer for the eighty eight series,
and he was the MC for the eighty eight parade.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Yes, yeah, I mean it's it's it's classic mad Dog.
You know, it's let me let me say something which
is seems like it's controversial and kind of makes a
good point, but it lacks Hey wait, I remember the
Vince Kelly call. Wasn't he on the call? And he's
the dodgers most famous play by play guy? Ever? Yeah,
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I don't. I don't think anybody in the real world cares.
Who's the MC for the victory Parade? He's the voice
of the Dodgers. He's the voice of MLB on Fox. Yeah,
I got nothing for.
Speaker 6 (22:27):
You, So mad Dog, the Jahn Morant situation, and then
disney Verse google.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
What's the most important Pat McAfee. Yeah, I'm gonna go,
what's the most annoying McAfee, John Morant or Mad Dog?
I'll go Ja Morant. And I think John Morant's the
most annoying because I like Ja Morant so much, but
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I hate what happened to him and who he seems
to have decided to be come and for that John
ran Yahn.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Why are we doing this?
Speaker 4 (23:08):
I do.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Because we can it.
Speaker 6 (23:14):
Doug keyk Hernandez a big fan favorite over here, and
he won that Dodger celebration that was MC by Joe
Davis kyk won the celebration and he made this segment
doing this, and I.
Speaker 7 (23:30):
Want to take this time to apologize to absolutely fucking.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Out. I do like some keyk Hernandez, who I told
you only apparently plays baseball in the playoffs for the Dodgers.
Dodgers when he's making big plays, why I could we
play it for you? Because we can't. That's it for
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What Up Doug Gottlieb Show and the Bonus B Sports
Radio a radio app. You know, it's it's really interesting
college football and NFL football seem to on some level
be becoming Major League baseball. Hey what yeah? I said it. Hey,
(00:33):
welcome in. Uh we got a really really good podcast
hour for you. Here's what I mean. Obviously, now you
see the Quinn Williams trade, you see the Sauce Gardner trade,
and the New York Jets are playing for probably not
even next year, in two or three years, right, They're
they're gonna scrap it and start over. And now they
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have four first five first round picks to choose from
our four first round picks to choose from, because Dallas
is an either ordeal anyway, they got there just swimming
in picks. And well, I'll give you a Jason McIntyre's
thoughts on he's the notable Jets fan who will use
in what the Fox said. I disagree they're gonna draft
another quarterback. And that's why you get a bunch of picks.
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If you can't get it where your picks lie, Well,
then you use your multiple picks to trade up and
get the quarterback that you want. Makes sense. Gotta start over.
Justin Fields isn't the guy. If they thought Justin Fields
was the guy, then their owner wouldn't have said, we
got a quarterback that can't complete a pass. But you
look at the Jets, the Saints and the bottom of
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the league, and maybe it's always been this way, but
the but the waving of the white flag on November
fourth and fifth. Then you look at college football and
the coaching firings in the SEC, Auburn, Florida, Arkansas, LSU. Right,
what do all those signify, Well, all of those programs
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are not actually competitive at the end of the year.
They've gone into bowl season mode where they can run
trick plays because there's no real other than Petrino trying
to get the Arkansas job and he won't. Everybody else
is hey, they're just trying to put together the resume,
keep things as fun as possible, and get their next
job because those schools are cleaning house. But here's where
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they like baseball. Baseball stats, once you get to the
September callups, now you got minor leaguers pitching against major leaguers,
and you really can't take those September lot of the
September game seriously because the talent on the field is
not top level Major League Baseball talent. It's the same
with the NFL with college football at the end of
the year with half these schools. Think of what we've
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done to these late November games that are rivalry games,
and now some of the teams have lost half their
players because they're in the portal, because they fired their coach.
I don't think it's good for the sport. I don't
think it's good for or TV. I don't think it's
something that we should be encouraging. College football's biggest numbers
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in terms of watchability is in November, and now half
the games are not going to be competitive because teams
that have started out poorly have already fired their coaches.
And the same goes for the NFL.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
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Speaker 2 (03:27):
Let's get to the Fox and now say, Here's Brady Quinn,
LeVar Arrington and Jonas Knocks talking about the Cardinals going
with Jacoby Brissett as their starting quarterback.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Some people had high expectations for them this season. I'm
not gonna say who those people were, but some people
had high expectations.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Crazy on me, was it?
Speaker 5 (03:47):
You?
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Man? I said Seattle was the dark horse for the West.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
That's that's what she said.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Yeah, I said, look, everybody out here is sweating the car,
gimba hug for met, little shorty out here callum you know,
and cocktail sauce. But me, I stood stat fast. I said,
watch what Sam, give that man a hug for me.
Watch what he does when he gets out there to Seattle.
It's going to be crazy.
Speaker 6 (04:12):
Great point.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Remember, in all seriousness, they gotta he's gonna start winning
some games.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
It seems as though if you're able to defense an
offense that way with with a mobile quarterback, you have
a very very you raise your chance chances significantly of
being able to defense that team.
Speaker 7 (04:34):
It feels to me like Jonathan Gannon looks at this
and goes, I'm twelve games under five hundred in Arizona
as a head coach. I gotta try and get this
thing turned around. I'm gonna be out of a job,
and I'd rather trust my future in the hands with
Jacoby Brissett than I would with Kyler Murray at this point.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yeah, listen, I think it's basically who leads the guys better,
and and it's not just about who leads the guys better,
but who you can trust more to make the right
make the right throw. We have that in college basketball.
You know, I have guys that if you had a
one on one game, you're like, well, I take this
(05:18):
guy even five on five and pickup. But in order
to play team defense, you got to know what everybody
else is doing and do your job. I totally understand
what Jonathan Ganzou. He's like, Look, I'm going with experience
and safe rather than a higher ceiling in Caller Murray.
And the other part about Caller Murray is all those
stories wouldn't have got out if he was a great leader.
(05:39):
Here's Dan Patrick talking about the Colts training for Sauce Gardner.
Speaker 8 (05:43):
This is a championship caliber move because you get a
really good corner and it feels like they're all in,
and why wouldn't you be. I think the Colts have
to look around and go the AFC is open like
the Chiefs may not make the playoffs, and then you
got the Buffalo Bills. They didn't make any moves. I
(06:03):
was really surprised. I thought Buffalo was going to make
some moves. Here you stumble into Daniel Jones. I mean,
you were really really It's almost like what the Niners
did with brock Purty. You screwed up Trey Lance and
then brock perty came in and saved you. You screwed
up Anthony Richardson, and now you got Danny Dimes to
(06:25):
help save the day. And you got to look at
this and say, we can not only win our division,
we can win the AFC. And I like the thinking
you're all in. You prove that, and that's believability in
Daniel Jones that he is your quarterback. And to add
that to your defense. I thought it was a great
(06:47):
move for them if they felt that's the one piece
that we really needed.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
It also signifies, with the two the trades, that the
Jets have smartly packed it in and are playing for
the future. It does make you wonder in terms of
Sauce Gardner granted, drafted by a different general manager than
the one who traded him, but it does make you
wonder if there's something missing and that's going to get
exposed when he gets to the higher level against with
(07:13):
the Colts. Here's Jason McIntyre filling in for Colin Cowhard
talking about the Jets.
Speaker 9 (07:18):
Let me go to my hometown roots, the New York
Jets and folks, it's been a long time since we've
had anything to cheer about. And then on NFL trade
deadline Day, it becomes basically the greatest day in franchise
history for anyone under the age of fifty. Obviously, you
know the Jets one with Joe Namath the way back
in the day. Colin loves to reference those days. I
(07:38):
don't I don't know them. They're foreign to me. So
as a Jets fan, the reason I'm celebrating is the trades.
You know, it wasn't working with the defensive strategy, as
is often the case in the NFL. We'll talk about
that later with a couple of great guests, but they're
going offense and they have moved off Sauce Gardner, the
great cornerback who was an All Pro in his first
two seasons, and Quinn William he shipped to Dallas. Folks,
(08:02):
it is a celebratory day. If you're a Jets fan,
this season's gonna be tough. I saw one of these
who won the trades. The twenty twenty five Jets are
listed as losers. They're gonna stake this season.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
We're one and seven.
Speaker 9 (08:14):
Yes, I could say we and maybe we win a
couple games, but it's not about this year. It's for
the future, because folks, we rich. We got a war
chest of picks.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
In the next two drafts.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Yeah, I don't know what he's talking about. They're moving
off of a defensive mentality, Like, no, they're not. They're
they're trading away guys who are set to make gigantic
money in contract extensions and getting a volume of picks
so they can draft their next quarterback and completely remake
their roster. Has nothing to do with an offensive or
(08:50):
defensive mentality. It has to do with the fact that
they haven't won a game, or they won they won
a game, whatever, None of it matters. They just want
to get a dearth of picks and then my next
guest would be at some point they'll probably trade those
first round picks one try and bundle it to get
the quarterback that they want and then two. If the
(09:11):
owner comes out and says, uh, quarterback just needs to
complete a pass, he's telling you that's not my guy.
So you're gonna draft one next year. Eventually he'll beat
out Justin Fields or you'll move off Justin Fields, and
then you'll have your next quarterback. And then with the
rest of the first round picks, they may take one more,
but they'll probably trade them for second round picks and
third round picks and just get a depth of picks
in a hole and they're starting over. That's what they're doing.
(09:35):
That's what the Fox said, do say.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
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Speaker 2 (09:49):
Let's find out who are What's annoying Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 6 (10:01):
Hey, Doug. I'm gonna say this is a Disney Verse
Google thing, because I want people to know that these
are two massive corporations worth trillions of dollars that are
putting consumers that make you, know, your common wage, they're
(10:21):
taking away their entertainment. Disney Verse Google, this is not
a YouTube TV versus ESPN thing. I want to offer
up a couple perspectives here. I think each of them
have value. Mike Flourio for all you haters out there
who kind of think he's maybe too woke or two
player friendly or whatever. He's been all over this, like
(10:44):
from the second this was going to be a thing,
and he offers up this, if you.
Speaker 10 (10:49):
Truly care about the people who allow you to exist,
get the deal done. It doesn't make any sense. It
does from the standpoint of playing this game of corporate
tug of war with millions, if not billions, on the line.
But you're going to get a deal done someday. Get
it done today. It would be a great gesture to
(11:11):
all of us who are paying you a lot of
money every month for your products. If you would set
aside your differences, go into a room, negotiate until you
get a deal done. Make it happen, YouTube TV, Make
it happen, ESPN, Make it happen. Disney, for all of
your customers out there who are waiting to watch football again.
Speaker 6 (11:31):
An annoying thing that's happened this week is that all
the hosts on Disney properties, so we're talking about Good
Morning in America and then all the ESPN shows have
been compelled to read this script that says head over
to keepmnetworks dot com. Well, it's a very heavily slanted
Disney agenda because if you head over to keepmnetworks dot com,
(11:53):
it basically blames YouTube, TV and Google for holding this up.
This is both of their faults. I'm not going to
I'm not going to weigh in on one way or
the other. But Pat McAfee, to his credit, went against
the grain refused to read the script and then took
it to another level.
Speaker 11 (12:10):
We're all done with it. Okay, figure, we're all done
with it. And also, if you're on TV, stop telling
people to go to a website to save a multi
billion dollar deal. Okay, nobody cares what you have to say.
We there will be nothing that we say or any
website that'll be visited that'll get this thing. There are
I don't wanna say the exact names, but these people.
Speaker 6 (12:31):
Spar sorts though, Yeah, spar sorts out for good.
Speaker 11 (12:34):
Sports need each other. A lot of people saying greedy corporate,
greedy corporate. It's like, yeah, need each other, especially with
where sports are right now, and we're in the middle
of it.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
So let's get that done. Let's get that done now.
Speaker 11 (12:46):
So I'm asking me to go to a website.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Yeah, I want to work.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 11 (12:50):
I don't want to do that, So stop at all. Yeah,
reality of the world. Yeah, all you're doing is pissing
everybody off even more so it's like, let's just not
do that.
Speaker 12 (13:00):
So good thing.
Speaker 6 (13:04):
You think.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
You think what Pat McAfee's doing is a good thing.
Speaker 6 (13:07):
I think it takes balls to not read the script
that Disney's compelling the host to read and say.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
I'll just tell you right now. Again. It takes balls
only because they obviously feel like they can't fire him.
It's a firebole offense to anybody else. It spirable pens
just you understand about Pat, and I think Pat's talented.
This is what he does. Everywhere he goes, he goes
somewhere something makes him mad. He goes on air, okay,
and everybody fucking hates not the guys that work for him,
(13:35):
but any company he's been with has bought him out
before his contract's over because he just blows it up
with shit like this, Like this is one of those
He's not wrong, but he's wrong. If you don't fucking
like Disney or how they do business, you shouldn't be
working for fucking Disney. You shouldn't have sold your production
(13:55):
company's rights to Disney. And the least you can fucking
do when you're probably the second highest paid guy there
is go, hey, they asked me to do this shit.
I do this shit. That's because he's a fucking kicker,
not a teammate. I gotta tell you. It's an awful
look awful awful. You may think Jason that again, and
(14:19):
I've I don't mind the as you know, like I've
ruffled feathers, Like just because we work in the same
company doesn't mean I can't call you out on bullshit.
But there's certainly things that when you represent a company,
like what are you doing? What are you fucking doing?
Couldn't disagree with you more? Yeah, is it annoying? The
(14:40):
carriage dispute, Yes, these's been going on in perpetuity forever.
And ESPN has every right to go like, hey, we're
gonna hold the line and hold our price and Google
on YouTube, they have every right. That's fucking business. And
who suffers? People suffer, and what happens in the meantime
is they'll there'll be somebody some other device that will
(15:00):
be or cable service or direct TV or somebody or
some streaming service or fuck even the hack stuff, you
know where you get dudes bootlegging ways. They'll they'll find
ways to watch their football games. But when you work
for a company and they're in a dispute with another company,
you have two choices. Either stay out of it and
(15:22):
say nothing, or support the cause. Instead, you've taken the
opposite tacked. I'm just telling you, Jason, like the truth
about Pat, and I don't know Pat. I have no
problem with Pat. I can tell you that a lot
that people can't fucking stand him, that have worked with him,
can't stand him. Go back and track through it, and
(15:45):
in many ways, it's like he wants to get fired,
he wants to get bought out, to go find the
next spot, to go, think the next thing, to go
do the next thing. So I just think it's being
a terrible teammate to everybody else who works at Disney.
Speaker 6 (15:58):
Yeah, there's been reporting even in recent weeks about how
ESPN higher ups and producers are sick of his shit,
And you're right, But I think there's just we talk
about this with Aaron Rodgers. There's something admirable about somebody
who has full autonomy, who has fuck you money or
a fuck you situation where if you don't want me,
(16:20):
I could find the next corporation to pay me a
bunch of money and then I'll piss them off. I
think it's admirable. But what annoys me about this is
that we have mega corporations squabbling and people that just
want to mind like a common wage and watch their
Monday night football couldn't do it on Monday night, including me,
and I really thought this would be ended by the
(16:43):
time live NFL games started.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
You and Me, both you and Me, both.
Speaker 6 (16:48):
The top ten rated shows on TV I think for
the past ten years have been live NFL games. I
just can't believe they did that. So Jean Morant is
annoying for a while. The reasons I think he has
served his one game suspension.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Or yeah, yep.
Speaker 6 (17:04):
The cool thing about John Moran is that it's brought
out like future Hall of Famers, you know, new TV types,
So Blake Griffin and Carmelo. I think Blake's on the
Amazon product and Carmelo's on NBC. This is Carmelo on jaw.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
Joah has to man up. He's been through all of
this before. You're being tested again to see if you're
gonna fold up. You're gonna stand and tested time. The
coaches is testing you, the organization is testing you, the city,
the fans is testing you. For me, how are you
gonna bounce back? How are you gonna move on from this?
How are you going to own up?
Speaker 13 (17:37):
Man?
Speaker 5 (17:37):
Uplook yourself in the mirrors, take ownership to your part,
and still go out there and do what you gotta do.
Put your big boy pants on. Let's go play basketball, man.
Speaker 6 (17:45):
Put your big boy pants on. And then Blake Griffin,
this is before the suspension. I think over the week.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Because this is the part that I saw after they
lost to the Lakers.
Speaker 7 (17:54):
But what did you see from John Moran?
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Blake?
Speaker 13 (17:56):
I didn't love what I saw from John Moran tonight.
I mean, this is a guy who is insanely talented.
I mean, right here, speed is his number one weapon.
And coming off a ball screen, passing the ball like
this kind of lazily cutting to the corner, that's just
not what's going to get it done for Memphis. And
now the back cut I think you've got to go
(18:17):
for that right there, and then the very next possession
coming down and you're kind of just standing in the
corner straight up, not even really engaged at all, almost
having a conversation with Marcus Smart, Like for a guy
that's making forty million dollars and needs to be the
leader of this team, Like, I just don't love it.
I don't know if he was not feeling well, if
he's hurt, but that to me is a very bad
(18:40):
sign and it's something that needs to it has to change. Yes,
the Memphis Grizzlies will only go as far as Jean
Moran takes it. And when he's engaged, I mean, we've
seen it. He's unbelievable. He's an all world talent. But
that type of effort right there, that's the thing that
we will call out and Ud, you are an effort guy.
The Miami he is an effort organization. I know, I
(19:03):
know you would have had something to say if you
were on that team right there and you saw that have.
Speaker 6 (19:08):
So Jean Moran's annoying. He saidgestion that that the joy
for basketball is gone, but at the very least it's
brought out some pretty good takes from former ballers that
we hadn't seen do TV work.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
No question, I thought Blake Griffin was really prepared, and
then he the way in which he sold it was
really good in that he didn't he didn't do the
stephen A over the top stuff. This is that, This
is how, this is what it looks like when you're
in a film room. When you're not You're you're being
confrontation without being confrontational, like, Hey, what's the best thing
you do? You turned the corner with great speed? Are
(19:40):
you doing that here?
Speaker 6 (19:42):
Like?
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Are you sick? Are you hurt? What's going on? It
was absolutely brilliant television for a guy who's new into
the analyst space. But again, this is all reports were.
The previous staff got fired because they couldn't figure out
John Morant, and this staff is they're they're doing a
our way or the high and right now he's towards
the highway. My son's one of the biggest jam Moran
(20:05):
fans out there. He texted me like, Dad, is Ja
Moran a clown? I was like, kinda feels like it
feels like it sad though, because he's so talented and
he was so likable. At Murray State in his early
years in the NBA. But the off court stuff, the
gunst the gun stuff, who he's hanging around, and the
suspensions and now the attitude stuff is a is a
(20:25):
major turn off.
Speaker 6 (20:26):
Chris mad Dog Russo, what was he screaming about yesterday?
He was screaming about. Uh, Joe Davis is was the
play by playman for the World Series. Joe Davis is
a play by playman for the Dodgers. Though he didn't
do a lot of games this year, he has been
with the Dodgers for many years.
Speaker 7 (20:48):
Well.
Speaker 6 (20:48):
Uh, he mc the celebration thing at Dodgers Stadium the
other day, and Chris Russo did not like that.
Speaker 12 (20:56):
When you're a national broadcaster and you're the voice of
the sport on it big stage, when you did a
million playoff games and then the one of the crippling
mousses that a franchise is gonna have. And I got
Shoe Basic and the body's not even cold yet, and
I got show at Dodger Stadion doing a freaking Dodger parade.
I got Joe Davis shaking everybody's hand. Give me a
(21:16):
freak yomam shaking, freaking Tani's hand and he's freaking whack.
He's getting rings. That is you could say, I'm being hard.
That's ridiculous, Chris, what's the big deal he dusted games? Nonsense.
He's the voice of the World Series. He's supposed to
be right down in the middle. Obviously, he's mooting his
ass off for the Dodgers in the World Series. And
everybody who I spoke to hated the idea. They sensed
(21:39):
he was looking the Dodgers bought the World Series and
has called the end was ridiculous.
Speaker 6 (21:43):
One counterpoint, one counterpoint. Mad Dog Vin Scully was the
national play by play announcer for the eighty eight series,
and he was the MC for the eighty eight parade.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Yes, yeah, I mean it's it's it's classic mad Dog.
You know, it's let me let me say something which
is seems like it's controversial and kind of makes a
good point, but it lacks Hey wait, I remember the
Vince Kelly call. Wasn't he on the call? And he's
the dodgers most famous play by play guy? Ever? Yeah,
(22:16):
I don't. I don't think anybody in the real world cares.
Who's the MC for the victory Parade? He's the voice
of the Dodgers. He's the voice of MLB on Fox. Yeah,
I got nothing for.
Speaker 6 (22:27):
You, So mad Dog, the Jahn Morant situation, and then
disney Verse google.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
What's the most important Pat McAfee. Yeah, I'm gonna go,
what's the most annoying McAfee, John Morant or Mad Dog?
I'll go Ja Morant. And I think John Morant's the
most annoying because I like Ja Morant so much, but
(22:55):
I hate what happened to him and who he seems
to have decided to be come and for that John
ran Yahn.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Why are we doing this?
Speaker 4 (23:08):
I do.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Because we can it.
Speaker 6 (23:14):
Doug keyk Hernandez a big fan favorite over here, and
he won that Dodger celebration that was MC by Joe
Davis kyk won the celebration and he made this segment
doing this, and I.
Speaker 7 (23:30):
Want to take this time to apologize to absolutely fucking.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Out. I do like some keyk Hernandez, who I told
you only apparently plays baseball in the playoffs for the Dodgers.
Dodgers when he's making big plays, why I could we
play it for you? Because we can't. That's it for
the end of the Modes podcast. Check out the radio
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