December 3, 2025 • 22 mins
Doug weighs in on what happened at First Take between Max Kellerman and Stephen A Smith as Kellerman told his side of the story on a recent podcast. Doug reacts to Joel Klatt's take on Lane Kiffin. Doug chooses among deserving candidates Jason Stewart deems as most annoying. Plus, Deron Williams makes today's installment of "Because We Can".
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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You'll hear from Dan Patrick, Nick right, Joe Klatt plus,
uh wait till you find out who or what's annoying
Jason Stewart.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
But we we like to use this pod.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
To go places that others cannot. We talk a lot
about Steven A.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Smith.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
He's one you're annoying, probably more than anyone two or
three times over.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Max Kellerman was once a partner of Steven A. Smith.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
On First Take, Max was kind of excommunicated and he's
been collecting checks although not working, and now it's kind
of back at work. Here was Max Kellerman on Bill
Simmons podcast talking about his time with Steven A.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Smith and why it came to an end.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
If you're doing a debate show and you're a competitive person,
why would you want me as a partner.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
That's bad.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
You want to go fifteen rounds every day with Mohammed Kellerman,
That's just bad. You know, it's it's embarrassing, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
So you think that was part of it.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
He didn't want to put the time in or like
just want a different type of show, Like what's your take,
you guys will do is put the time in. It's
you know, it's a debate show. You're ready to roll
on what topics you want to like, Like like if
you're I have an idea, this is what I want
to put on TV. I want to spar Bud Crawford
every day for fifteen rounds and I want everyone to
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see it. Eventually you're going to say I don't want
to do that anymore. That's that's That's one aspect of it.
There are others. In other words, That's what I could
tell you from my point of view. And I also
think that that if you make a calculation that if
you can be perceived as a solo act, really that
you can get paid at a certain level that you
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can't if you're not a solo act, then you'd like
to be a solo act, or at least perceived that way.
Stephen A was the one partner I've ever had over
years where I didn't feel like a relationship was really forming.
And I like to go to work, and you.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Know, you could feel a little bit watching it, and
it was hard to tell how much of it was
theater and how much of it was like, oh, these
guys just don't get along in the same way, or.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Whatever you feel about who you're working with and what
the situation is. To me, a cardinal sin is betraying
that on the air. You should always be thinking about
making the show entertaining. And I do think it reached
the point on that show where it was like, come on, dude,
we get the first priority is to make good TV.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I think there's some telling things in there.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
I actually agree with Max without intricate knowledge.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
But what you're seeing is Max did. He did try
and win every debate.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Did And I would say, if there's a flaw to
Max's style, it's just that and I have the same
flaw as well, like I try and win every argument
as well, Like that's it's a really hard thing, and
you know Max would work very hard and support it
with you know, he loves analytical data, and again that's
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not necessarily the place where that exists. But I think
the part that made it bad TV was no, there
wasn't a relationship. Plus when one guy's really prepared, like
over prepared like Max was, and another guy is underprepared
and just shoots at the hips and like you're gonna
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get exposed some And the guy who had the bigger
cachet was constantly getting exposed for not doing the work
and just going with whatever his feelings were. And yeah,
ultimately that makes stephen A look bad and he didn't
want to look bad. Yeah that makes sense, like completely believable.
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It does not speak well for Steven A. Smith, and honestly,
on some level, it doesn't terribly speak well to Max Kellerman.
Only in that Kellerman it's like, you can win the
debate but lose your job.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Sometimes you can throw a debate on purpose.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Sometimes you can walk into one and you know, let
the champ take you down once because it is his show.
Max was unrelenting, unwilling to do so, and that's why
he was off the show.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
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Well, let's get to the Fox, says, and now.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Every day this time that Doug Gotlieb Show in the
Bonus podcast, we play a portion of a previous Fox
Sports radier Fox Sports One show. Here's Dan Patrick having
his reaction to the latest college ball rankings.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
It is entertainment. You want ratings, you want Notre Dame
in there. There's a chance Notre Dame does not make
the college football playoffs. Now, there's some scenarios that have
to happen. But if I'm going to look at BYU
and Notre Dame straight up right now, BYU has the
better resume. BYU as Texas Tech coming up this weekend.
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Notre Dame doesn't play until their next game, which could
be a bowl game or a playoff game. But if
you're just looking the eye test, BYU as a better resume.
Now we've been matching up Notre Dame in Miami, and
I still think Notre Dame is a better team. I
want to factor in how you play now. They did
have two losses. They did lose to Miami, they lost
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at home to Texas Tech. But Texas to me is
playing as good to football as maybe anybody is right now.
But they have three losses and they went out and
scheduled Ohio State to start the year. If BYU doesn't
have a game this weekend. Is BYU going to be
in the college football playoffs? If Texas had one more
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game and won the game, would they be in the playoffs? See,
this is where it gets tricky with these conference title games.
I don't like them. I think it's a money grab
and I think at times it does hurt some of
these schools that if they do lose, then they're not
going to be in the college football playoffs.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Couldn't be more right, couldn't be more right. It's the
catch twenty two of it. The good side of it
is a team like BYU has a chance to play
their way in. The bad side to it is a
team like Alabama could play their way out. And this
is where there's a lack of uniformity. But I don't
know how you fix it. Because if you're going to
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have conference championship games, which you're going to because it
makes too much money, If you're going to have conference
championship games, you're never going to have a true conference
championship because you got.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Too many teams in these conferences.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Now you almost need a tournament for the conference to
then decide who gets into the tournament. Nationally, here's Nick
right talking about Giants quarterback Jackson Dark.
Speaker 6 (07:05):
Not only is this not admirable, it's idiotic. It shows
a lack of understanding of your importance to the team.
And there is a responsibility. The quarterback of a team
has to be available flatly, and it is the only
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through line, the only trait. Every single one of the
Mount Rushmore Mount Rushmore adjacent and you know how far
down you want to go. All time quarterbacks have is
they were out there. It's the only one.
Speaker 7 (07:41):
They have, all.
Speaker 6 (07:42):
Different styles, backgrounds, playing all of it. They were all available.
And this strikes me as a combination of hubris, some
weird machismo that is unnecessary. Bro, you are a professional
football player. Everybody knows you're off.
Speaker 7 (08:00):
Like you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (08:02):
You wear as an homage to your sister her necklace
when you play, which shows you're very confident in your
own masculinity.
Speaker 8 (08:09):
Or whatever it is.
Speaker 6 (08:10):
Doesn't care. We all know you've been that guy forever.
It also doesn't matter if you get knocked out of
the game, like it doesn't matter how tough you are.
And to your point that the one injury he's dealt
with in his professional career is the one that you're
not allowed to tough it out on.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
It's a series of great points by Nick which echo
a lot of the sentiment I had yesterday. I do
think it's hubris, but I think it's kind of a
football guy thing.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I think it's youth.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
But I also will tell you that most of these
guys say the same thing early on in the NFL. Usually, though,
they get their bell rung and then they stop. That's
the difference. And maybe this is his bell isn't ringing
loud enough for him to understand. How dumb the idea
of check my high school tape. This is who I've
been actually.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Is here's Joe Klatt talking about Lane Kippen with con Calhert.
Speaker 7 (09:06):
He's got the five messiest exits in maybe football history.
I mean, think about it, Al Davis with the overhead
projector you got the Tennessee debacle. He's left on the
tarmac at usc Saban told him to kick rocks before
the National Championship Game. And now here at Old Miss.
So everything that you're saying, yes, if you're Old Miss again,
Ole Miss, the program, the administration, I'm sure that this
(09:29):
is kind of like, yeah, maybe this was always in
the cards or certainly we could expect this, But I
think of it not from the old miss perspective, and
I think of it from the player's perspective. If you're
one of those players and you're sitting in the meetings
in August in early September and they're talking about team
first and committing and let's go achieve something and here
are our team goals, well he just left that team
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and they are going to field spurred and trust me,
like you're seeing articles out there where some of these
players are are pushing back on this narrative that Lane,
you know, wanted to coach and they wanted him to coach,
and they're like, no, you know, we feel pretty pretty
betrayed by Lane Kiffin, and rightly, so listen, I don't
begrudge this man his movement, and he's going to go,
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and he thought LSU was going to be a better
opportunity for he and his family, you know, more power
to him, but that doesn't mean that there are not
consequences to those decisions. And he did leave a team
high and dry.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
You know, it's interesting.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
I actually do begrudge the movement, but I can't because
of the landscape of the sport, Like I'm I have
to be consistent, right in order to be consistent. I
do feel that like we're in a I understand what
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Joel's saying. I mean, as coaches, that's all you teach
your players team, team, team, team, team, and then at
the end of the year coach gets offered a you know,
a crazy opportunity.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
If he does, if he.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Takes it, sadly, he's diminishing that same message that he had.
The problem with it is we're assuming that the players
are all in unstated at Old Miss, and the players
won't do the exact same thing. Yes, as coaches, you
have a greater responsibility, and so with that greater responsibility,
with the greater financial gain, you know, comes more harsh criticism.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
I do understand that, but.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Again I blame it more on the timing of the
calendar more than anything else. Would I like to think
that Lane Giving could to stay at Old Miss and
write it out and being Old be Old missus head coach. Sure,
but it never felt permanent. And he was there for
six years and maybe he knows something which most of
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us assume, which is you can't keep it going long
term at Old Miss and I mean, look, perfect example
is is Deon Sanders. You go back to the last
two years of Dion Sanders. Last year they were okay,
they're above five hundred. That was supposedly a turner round,
and you know, does he want to become an NFL coach?
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Do other people want him now?
Speaker 3 (12:06):
I mean you basically get to say, hey, give me
another year to keep my job.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
That's how quickly this thing turns in college football.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
So we're talking about this as if it's a regular
job with regular reactions to the ups and downs, and
that's not realistic.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
That's what the Fox said, what does say?
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Speaker 2 (12:37):
Let's find out who what's annoying? Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
And now it's your annoying?
Speaker 9 (12:49):
Hey, Doug. You know, as we do this, we churn
out content. We just churn out content. I mean, if
you really want to narrow our jobs down, if you
run into a stranger on the subway, what do you
do for a living? I could say a churn out content.
We're just constantly churning, and within that churning sometimes you
kind of forget along the way that there was some
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things that you said that were actually on point, but
you just get lost in the news cycle and the churning.
This is gonna be a long way of saying that
Pat Mahomes is annoying. Bear with me on this. Christian
Ellis hits Jackson Dart who was being cute on the
sidelines the other night. It was one of those hits
that would have been on Crunch course. Remember crunch course.
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Oh yeah, VHS.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Right, jacked up? You ember jacked up, jacked up?
Speaker 9 (13:36):
Oh yeah, great hit like throwback hit wasn't illegal. And
Mike Rabel talked about the hit yesterday.
Speaker 10 (13:44):
I thought it was good. I thought it was excellent.
And again, this is both sides, and this happens in
this league. And if you're in bounds and you're not sliding,
there's a football guy player running down the sidelines, yeah
we're going to have to hit him. And whatever quarterback week,
it happens twice a week. They're over there prancing around
and you're gonna get hit. And if we show that
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to Drake and our defenders are being coached the same
way when I say we better not get cued over
there by the sidelines, because this is legal, I turn
around and tell the defense if this is happening, you know,
we need to try to knock out of him as
legally as possible.
Speaker 9 (14:22):
Now, somebody on this podcast said, I think it was
last year, maybe it was early this year that somebody
else was getting really cute on the sidelines, and it's
gonna maybe cost him, if not his career, he's gonna
miss a couple of games because they're going to get
the shit out of him. And Jackson Dart delivered up
the answer yesterday when he doubled down. I'm not gonna
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change my style because others do it.
Speaker 10 (14:46):
I mean, I watch quarterbacks who play kind of like
me around the league.
Speaker 8 (14:50):
I watch, you know, how Josh Allen plays, Watch how
Patrick Mahomes plays.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
They take hits too, So I'm not like, I'm not
an anomaly here.
Speaker 9 (14:59):
So I think thought I was halfway right. I thought
that Patrick Mahomes being cute and toe tipping on the
sidelines was going to get himself hurt or his career
in jeopardy. I didn't think about the downstream implications. Ooh nice,
down stream, young kids emulating being cute on the sidelines
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and getting your ass kicked. Pat Mahomes, you are to
blame for that hit that we saw on Monday night.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
I would agree, and is uh uh?
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Is? Is Pat Mahomes annoying? Is what's annoying that? That's
my only problem with it.
Speaker 9 (15:43):
Pat Mahomes is annoying in the first place because he
does this tiptoeing dance.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Thing, right, and then everybody wants to be like the.
Speaker 9 (15:50):
Defenders have held up because he's Pat Mahomes. You're not
going to hold up for Jackson Dart. Ben Roethlisberger made
comments and then I thought, man, I remember something when
I first got here in twenty twenty one that Mike
Tomlin had said, I think we're the only podcasts in
the country that's going to have this throwback. So Ben
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Roethlisberger made news yesterday when he said this on his
podcast about Mike Tomlin on the Stewards.
Speaker 8 (16:19):
No, it's being talked about around here a lot. Maybe
it's time, Maybe it's a clean house time. Maybe it
is Maybe it's time. And I like coach Tomlin. I
have a lot of respect Coach Tomlin. But maybe it's
best for him too. Maybe a fresh start for him
is what's best, whether that's in the pros, whether maybe
go be Penn State's head coach. You know what he
would do in Penn State. He'd probably go win national championships.
Speaker 9 (16:40):
Sounds good. That sounded really good, A nice soft landing
spot for a coach. But do you remember when USC's
job was up Before Lincoln Riley got off of the job.
A reporter made the mistake at a press conference of
asking Mike Tomlin about the rumors that he was in
play for the USC job.
Speaker 11 (17:01):
Hey, guys, I don't have time for that speculation. I mean,
that's a joke to me. I got one of the
best jobs in all of professional sport. Why would I
have any interest in coaching college football. That'll be the
last time that I address it, and not only today,
but moving forward. Never say never, but never. Okay, anybody
else got any questions about any college jobs is not
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a booster with a big enough blank check. Anybody asking
Sean Payton about that, you know, anybody asking Andy Reid
about stuff.
Speaker 9 (17:29):
Like that great SoundBite that Roethlisberger obviously forgot about. And
I dare a reporter today to run those Penn State
questions past Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
That would be hilarious. Well what's the annoying part, though?
Speaker 9 (17:44):
I just I'm annoyed by the fact that Roethlisberger did
not have the depth of knowledge and sound that we
did when he made that comment about, Hey, college is
a great option, you know, fresh start. Good luck with that,
Good luck with that. Clippers are annoying. You and I
have lived in this town. We know how the Clippers
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are regarded. Most people in the country just think that
they're just kind of a forgettable franchise, like the Wizards
or the Hornets. But no, there's something a little bit
more incendiary about the Clippers. The Stirling years well reported
they were awful. It was toxic. But I will say this,
in the wake of Chris Paul being dismissed, the president
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of the team flew to Atlanta this morning and dismissed
Chris Paul from the team. He said, go home. You're
not on the team anymore. It's kind of like a
aau thing or something. You just go home, get it
on your bike, and go home. No relationship ends well
with the Clippers, And in fact, like Chris Paul, I
think signed with the Clippers to retire with the Clippers.
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If I'm not mistaken. Blake Griffin, remember before he signed
that big contract and was traded to the Pistons, he said,
I want to retire a Clipper, and we all know
how that went. I'm trying to think of a Clipper.
First of all, there aren't many Clipper greats. How many
have like ended well and been celebrated, Like what, who's
going to be a statue in front of Staples that's
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a Clipper And they're just there's there's no positive, there's
just what what's what's the word?
Speaker 7 (19:18):
Uh?
Speaker 9 (19:18):
When you have all that in the bank, positive equity
or great equity with players and the Clippers.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
So who's again, who's the annoying one? It the Clippers
that they're always.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
This is always a Clipper thing, correct, Yeah, Clippers. Yeah,
I'm with you.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
The one thing, though, I'm gonna you are contradicting yourself
just a little bit, only because when you're stopped on
a subway, not that there's a subway that you ride
in LA, but when you're stopped at the bus stop,
not that you ride the bus in LA.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
But if you did, what is your your job is.
Speaker 9 (19:50):
A what a churn? Churn content content.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Well content, and the Clippers do give you good content,
Like the one thing we can we can count on
is and Chris gives us great content. Because everybody hates
Chris Paul, apparently including the Clippers.
Speaker 9 (20:05):
I can't argue with that.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Yep, tough call, So Clippers my choices.
Speaker 9 (20:09):
Yeah, Clippers. Roethlisberger doesn't have the sound that we have.
And Pat Mahomes causing young quarterbacks to get their ass kicked.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Pat Mahomes because I'm gonna add to it, Okay, because
the whole Dylan Royola deal where Dylan Roola wants to
be Pat Mahomes as well, like literally mimics everything, Like
even that is annoying, right, So yeah, Pat Mahomes being
good but doing stuff that others are going to emulate
that becomes annoying, is annoying?
Speaker 8 (20:35):
Why not?
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Why are we doing this because we can?
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Oh?
Speaker 9 (20:45):
Man, you talk about throwback. This was Chris Paul's early contemporary,
Darren Williams now, oh yeah. For those that don't know
Darren Williams, he was a part of the Three Headed Monster,
the Illinois team that went undefeated with Luther Head and
some other guy that I don't remember, and then he
had a lucrative NBA career. I don't know if it
was very successful, but he made a ton of money
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and now he's doing podcasts. Darren Williams is spelled d
E r O N, which is really stupid. His parents
set him up for a lifetime of people misspelling his name.
I guarantee if when Darren Williams goes to Starbucks, he's
never once had his name spelled correctly. He said something
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interesting about the dynamic between Lebron and Luca some clips
of uh.
Speaker 12 (21:35):
Of him or it looked like he he don't really
fuck with Luca, like not shaking hands. I seem like
a hole. It was like like seven clips ye didn't
help him up when he fell, just a little shit
like that.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
So good, so good?
Speaker 8 (21:52):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Darren Williams, by the way, was known for having the
fat gene. Are you familiar with the fat gene?
Speaker 9 (21:57):
No? What is up?
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Fat fat gene in sports? Is like no matter what,
like you just you blink and all of a sudden
he's added ten pounds. Like he's never really in shape,
but never really out of shape. But if he doesn't
do anything every day like somehow he gets a little
he was. He was an amazing athlete and an incredible crossover,
but he always felt.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Like he was ten pounds out of shape. It's funny.
Speaker 9 (22:18):
It's funny you say that because the person he was
talking to on that podcast was Raymond Felton, which I
always thought he had that same thing.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Yeah, Rayon Felton for well, if you've seen Raymond Felton recently,
you'd realize he did.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Every day I get a little bit older and ball
there and fatter. Why could we play it for you?
Because we can. That's it for the other bonus podcast.
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We got a great podcast hour for you.
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You'll hear from Dan Patrick, Nick right, Joe Klatt plus,
uh wait till you find out who or what's annoying
Jason Stewart.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
But we we like to use this pod.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
To go places that others cannot. We talk a lot
about Steven A.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Smith.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
He's one you're annoying, probably more than anyone two or
three times over.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Max Kellerman was once a partner of Steven A. Smith.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
On First Take, Max was kind of excommunicated and he's
been collecting checks although not working, and now it's kind
of back at work. Here was Max Kellerman on Bill
Simmons podcast talking about his time with Steven A.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Smith and why it came to an end.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
If you're doing a debate show and you're a competitive person,
why would you want me as a partner.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
That's bad.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
You want to go fifteen rounds every day with Mohammed Kellerman,
That's just bad. You know, it's it's embarrassing, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
So you think that was part of it.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
He didn't want to put the time in or like
just want a different type of show, Like what's your take,
you guys will do is put the time in. It's
you know, it's a debate show. You're ready to roll
on what topics you want to like, Like like if
you're I have an idea, this is what I want
to put on TV. I want to spar Bud Crawford
every day for fifteen rounds and I want everyone to
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see it. Eventually you're going to say I don't want
to do that anymore. That's that's That's one aspect of it.
There are others. In other words, That's what I could
tell you from my point of view. And I also
think that that if you make a calculation that if
you can be perceived as a solo act, really that
you can get paid at a certain level that you
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can't if you're not a solo act, then you'd like
to be a solo act, or at least perceived that way.
Stephen A was the one partner I've ever had over
years where I didn't feel like a relationship was really forming.
And I like to go to work, and you.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Know, you could feel a little bit watching it, and
it was hard to tell how much of it was
theater and how much of it was like, oh, these
guys just don't get along in the same way, or.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Whatever you feel about who you're working with and what
the situation is. To me, a cardinal sin is betraying
that on the air. You should always be thinking about
making the show entertaining. And I do think it reached
the point on that show where it was like, come on, dude,
we get the first priority is to make good TV.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I think there's some telling things in there.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
I actually agree with Max without intricate knowledge.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
But what you're seeing is Max did. He did try
and win every debate.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Did And I would say, if there's a flaw to
Max's style, it's just that and I have the same
flaw as well, like I try and win every argument
as well, Like that's it's a really hard thing, and
you know Max would work very hard and support it
with you know, he loves analytical data, and again that's
(03:22):
not necessarily the place where that exists. But I think
the part that made it bad TV was no, there
wasn't a relationship. Plus when one guy's really prepared, like
over prepared like Max was, and another guy is underprepared
and just shoots at the hips and like you're gonna
(03:43):
get exposed some And the guy who had the bigger
cachet was constantly getting exposed for not doing the work
and just going with whatever his feelings were. And yeah,
ultimately that makes stephen A look bad and he didn't
want to look bad. Yeah that makes sense, like completely believable.
(04:05):
It does not speak well for Steven A. Smith, and honestly,
on some level, it doesn't terribly speak well to Max Kellerman.
Only in that Kellerman it's like, you can win the
debate but lose your job.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Sometimes you can throw a debate on purpose.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Sometimes you can walk into one and you know, let
the champ take you down once because it is his show.
Max was unrelenting, unwilling to do so, and that's why
he was off the show.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Well, let's get to the Fox, says, and now.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Every day this time that Doug Gotlieb Show in the
Bonus podcast, we play a portion of a previous Fox
Sports radier Fox Sports One show. Here's Dan Patrick having
his reaction to the latest college ball rankings.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
It is entertainment. You want ratings, you want Notre Dame
in there. There's a chance Notre Dame does not make
the college football playoffs. Now, there's some scenarios that have
to happen. But if I'm going to look at BYU
and Notre Dame straight up right now, BYU has the
better resume. BYU as Texas Tech coming up this weekend.
(05:17):
Notre Dame doesn't play until their next game, which could
be a bowl game or a playoff game. But if
you're just looking the eye test, BYU as a better resume.
Now we've been matching up Notre Dame in Miami, and
I still think Notre Dame is a better team. I
want to factor in how you play now. They did
have two losses. They did lose to Miami, they lost
(05:40):
at home to Texas Tech. But Texas to me is
playing as good to football as maybe anybody is right now.
But they have three losses and they went out and
scheduled Ohio State to start the year. If BYU doesn't
have a game this weekend. Is BYU going to be
in the college football playoffs? If Texas had one more
(06:01):
game and won the game, would they be in the playoffs? See,
this is where it gets tricky with these conference title games.
I don't like them. I think it's a money grab
and I think at times it does hurt some of
these schools that if they do lose, then they're not
going to be in the college football playoffs.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Couldn't be more right, couldn't be more right. It's the
catch twenty two of it. The good side of it
is a team like BYU has a chance to play
their way in. The bad side to it is a
team like Alabama could play their way out. And this
is where there's a lack of uniformity. But I don't
know how you fix it. Because if you're going to
(06:40):
have conference championship games, which you're going to because it
makes too much money, If you're going to have conference
championship games, you're never going to have a true conference
championship because you got.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Too many teams in these conferences.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Now you almost need a tournament for the conference to
then decide who gets into the tournament. Nationally, here's Nick
right talking about Giants quarterback Jackson Dark.
Speaker 6 (07:05):
Not only is this not admirable, it's idiotic. It shows
a lack of understanding of your importance to the team.
And there is a responsibility. The quarterback of a team
has to be available flatly, and it is the only
(07:26):
through line, the only trait. Every single one of the
Mount Rushmore Mount Rushmore adjacent and you know how far
down you want to go. All time quarterbacks have is
they were out there. It's the only one.
Speaker 7 (07:41):
They have, all.
Speaker 6 (07:42):
Different styles, backgrounds, playing all of it. They were all available.
And this strikes me as a combination of hubris, some
weird machismo that is unnecessary. Bro, you are a professional
football player. Everybody knows you're off.
Speaker 7 (08:00):
Like you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (08:02):
You wear as an homage to your sister her necklace
when you play, which shows you're very confident in your
own masculinity.
Speaker 8 (08:09):
Or whatever it is.
Speaker 6 (08:10):
Doesn't care. We all know you've been that guy forever.
It also doesn't matter if you get knocked out of
the game, like it doesn't matter how tough you are.
And to your point that the one injury he's dealt
with in his professional career is the one that you're
not allowed to tough it out on.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
It's a series of great points by Nick which echo
a lot of the sentiment I had yesterday. I do
think it's hubris, but I think it's kind of a
football guy thing.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I think it's youth.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
But I also will tell you that most of these
guys say the same thing early on in the NFL. Usually, though,
they get their bell rung and then they stop. That's
the difference. And maybe this is his bell isn't ringing
loud enough for him to understand. How dumb the idea
of check my high school tape. This is who I've
been actually.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Is here's Joe Klatt talking about Lane Kippen with con Calhert.
Speaker 7 (09:06):
He's got the five messiest exits in maybe football history.
I mean, think about it, Al Davis with the overhead
projector you got the Tennessee debacle. He's left on the
tarmac at usc Saban told him to kick rocks before
the National Championship Game. And now here at Old Miss.
So everything that you're saying, yes, if you're Old Miss again,
Ole Miss, the program, the administration, I'm sure that this
(09:29):
is kind of like, yeah, maybe this was always in
the cards or certainly we could expect this, But I
think of it not from the old miss perspective, and
I think of it from the player's perspective. If you're
one of those players and you're sitting in the meetings
in August in early September and they're talking about team
first and committing and let's go achieve something and here
are our team goals, well he just left that team
(09:52):
and they are going to field spurred and trust me,
like you're seeing articles out there where some of these
players are are pushing back on this narrative that Lane,
you know, wanted to coach and they wanted him to coach,
and they're like, no, you know, we feel pretty pretty
betrayed by Lane Kiffin, and rightly, so listen, I don't
begrudge this man his movement, and he's going to go,
(10:13):
and he thought LSU was going to be a better
opportunity for he and his family, you know, more power
to him, but that doesn't mean that there are not
consequences to those decisions. And he did leave a team
high and dry.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
You know, it's interesting.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
I actually do begrudge the movement, but I can't because
of the landscape of the sport, Like I'm I have
to be consistent, right in order to be consistent. I
do feel that like we're in a I understand what
(10:46):
Joel's saying. I mean, as coaches, that's all you teach
your players team, team, team, team, team, and then at
the end of the year coach gets offered a you know,
a crazy opportunity.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
If he does, if he.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Takes it, sadly, he's diminishing that same message that he had.
The problem with it is we're assuming that the players
are all in unstated at Old Miss, and the players
won't do the exact same thing. Yes, as coaches, you
have a greater responsibility, and so with that greater responsibility,
with the greater financial gain, you know, comes more harsh criticism.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
I do understand that, but.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Again I blame it more on the timing of the
calendar more than anything else. Would I like to think
that Lane Giving could to stay at Old Miss and
write it out and being Old be Old missus head coach. Sure,
but it never felt permanent. And he was there for
six years and maybe he knows something which most of
(11:44):
us assume, which is you can't keep it going long
term at Old Miss and I mean, look, perfect example
is is Deon Sanders. You go back to the last
two years of Dion Sanders. Last year they were okay,
they're above five hundred. That was supposedly a turner round,
and you know, does he want to become an NFL coach?
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Do other people want him now?
Speaker 3 (12:06):
I mean you basically get to say, hey, give me
another year to keep my job.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
That's how quickly this thing turns in college football.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
So we're talking about this as if it's a regular
job with regular reactions to the ups and downs, and
that's not realistic.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
That's what the Fox said, what does say?
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Let's find out who what's annoying? Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
And now it's your annoying?
Speaker 9 (12:49):
Hey, Doug. You know, as we do this, we churn
out content. We just churn out content. I mean, if
you really want to narrow our jobs down, if you
run into a stranger on the subway, what do you
do for a living? I could say a churn out content.
We're just constantly churning, and within that churning sometimes you
kind of forget along the way that there was some
(13:10):
things that you said that were actually on point, but
you just get lost in the news cycle and the churning.
This is gonna be a long way of saying that
Pat Mahomes is annoying. Bear with me on this. Christian
Ellis hits Jackson Dart who was being cute on the
sidelines the other night. It was one of those hits
that would have been on Crunch course. Remember crunch course.
(13:32):
Oh yeah, VHS.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Right, jacked up? You ember jacked up, jacked up?
Speaker 9 (13:36):
Oh yeah, great hit like throwback hit wasn't illegal. And
Mike Rabel talked about the hit yesterday.
Speaker 10 (13:44):
I thought it was good. I thought it was excellent.
And again, this is both sides, and this happens in
this league. And if you're in bounds and you're not sliding,
there's a football guy player running down the sidelines, yeah
we're going to have to hit him. And whatever quarterback week,
it happens twice a week. They're over there prancing around
and you're gonna get hit. And if we show that
(14:06):
to Drake and our defenders are being coached the same
way when I say we better not get cued over
there by the sidelines, because this is legal, I turn
around and tell the defense if this is happening, you know,
we need to try to knock out of him as
legally as possible.
Speaker 9 (14:22):
Now, somebody on this podcast said, I think it was
last year, maybe it was early this year that somebody
else was getting really cute on the sidelines, and it's
gonna maybe cost him, if not his career, he's gonna
miss a couple of games because they're going to get
the shit out of him. And Jackson Dart delivered up
the answer yesterday when he doubled down. I'm not gonna
(14:43):
change my style because others do it.
Speaker 10 (14:46):
I mean, I watch quarterbacks who play kind of like
me around the league.
Speaker 8 (14:50):
I watch, you know, how Josh Allen plays, Watch how
Patrick Mahomes plays.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
They take hits too, So I'm not like, I'm not
an anomaly here.
Speaker 9 (14:59):
So I think thought I was halfway right. I thought
that Patrick Mahomes being cute and toe tipping on the
sidelines was going to get himself hurt or his career
in jeopardy. I didn't think about the downstream implications. Ooh nice,
down stream, young kids emulating being cute on the sidelines
(15:19):
and getting your ass kicked. Pat Mahomes, you are to
blame for that hit that we saw on Monday night.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
I would agree, and is uh uh?
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Is? Is Pat Mahomes annoying? Is what's annoying that? That's
my only problem with it.
Speaker 9 (15:43):
Pat Mahomes is annoying in the first place because he
does this tiptoeing dance.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Thing, right, and then everybody wants to be like the.
Speaker 9 (15:50):
Defenders have held up because he's Pat Mahomes. You're not
going to hold up for Jackson Dart. Ben Roethlisberger made
comments and then I thought, man, I remember something when
I first got here in twenty twenty one that Mike
Tomlin had said, I think we're the only podcasts in
the country that's going to have this throwback. So Ben
(16:13):
Roethlisberger made news yesterday when he said this on his
podcast about Mike Tomlin on the Stewards.
Speaker 8 (16:19):
No, it's being talked about around here a lot. Maybe
it's time, Maybe it's a clean house time. Maybe it
is Maybe it's time. And I like coach Tomlin. I
have a lot of respect Coach Tomlin. But maybe it's
best for him too. Maybe a fresh start for him
is what's best, whether that's in the pros, whether maybe
go be Penn State's head coach. You know what he
would do in Penn State. He'd probably go win national championships.
Speaker 9 (16:40):
Sounds good. That sounded really good, A nice soft landing
spot for a coach. But do you remember when USC's
job was up Before Lincoln Riley got off of the job.
A reporter made the mistake at a press conference of
asking Mike Tomlin about the rumors that he was in
play for the USC job.
Speaker 11 (17:01):
Hey, guys, I don't have time for that speculation. I mean,
that's a joke to me. I got one of the
best jobs in all of professional sport. Why would I
have any interest in coaching college football. That'll be the
last time that I address it, and not only today,
but moving forward. Never say never, but never. Okay, anybody
else got any questions about any college jobs is not
(17:22):
a booster with a big enough blank check. Anybody asking
Sean Payton about that, you know, anybody asking Andy Reid
about stuff.
Speaker 9 (17:29):
Like that great SoundBite that Roethlisberger obviously forgot about. And
I dare a reporter today to run those Penn State
questions past Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
That would be hilarious. Well what's the annoying part, though?
Speaker 9 (17:44):
I just I'm annoyed by the fact that Roethlisberger did
not have the depth of knowledge and sound that we
did when he made that comment about, Hey, college is
a great option, you know, fresh start. Good luck with that,
Good luck with that. Clippers are annoying. You and I
have lived in this town. We know how the Clippers
(18:05):
are regarded. Most people in the country just think that
they're just kind of a forgettable franchise, like the Wizards
or the Hornets. But no, there's something a little bit
more incendiary about the Clippers. The Stirling years well reported
they were awful. It was toxic. But I will say this,
in the wake of Chris Paul being dismissed, the president
(18:29):
of the team flew to Atlanta this morning and dismissed
Chris Paul from the team. He said, go home. You're
not on the team anymore. It's kind of like a
aau thing or something. You just go home, get it
on your bike, and go home. No relationship ends well
with the Clippers, And in fact, like Chris Paul, I
think signed with the Clippers to retire with the Clippers.
(18:50):
If I'm not mistaken. Blake Griffin, remember before he signed
that big contract and was traded to the Pistons, he said,
I want to retire a Clipper, and we all know
how that went. I'm trying to think of a Clipper.
First of all, there aren't many Clipper greats. How many
have like ended well and been celebrated, Like what, who's
going to be a statue in front of Staples that's
(19:12):
a Clipper And they're just there's there's no positive, there's
just what what's what's the word?
Speaker 7 (19:18):
Uh?
Speaker 9 (19:18):
When you have all that in the bank, positive equity
or great equity with players and the Clippers.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
So who's again, who's the annoying one? It the Clippers
that they're always.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
This is always a Clipper thing, correct, Yeah, Clippers. Yeah,
I'm with you.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
The one thing, though, I'm gonna you are contradicting yourself
just a little bit, only because when you're stopped on
a subway, not that there's a subway that you ride
in LA, but when you're stopped at the bus stop,
not that you ride the bus in LA.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
But if you did, what is your your job is.
Speaker 9 (19:50):
A what a churn? Churn content content.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Well content, and the Clippers do give you good content,
Like the one thing we can we can count on
is and Chris gives us great content. Because everybody hates
Chris Paul, apparently including the Clippers.
Speaker 9 (20:05):
I can't argue with that.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Yep, tough call, So Clippers my choices.
Speaker 9 (20:09):
Yeah, Clippers. Roethlisberger doesn't have the sound that we have.
And Pat Mahomes causing young quarterbacks to get their ass kicked.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Pat Mahomes because I'm gonna add to it, Okay, because
the whole Dylan Royola deal where Dylan Roola wants to
be Pat Mahomes as well, like literally mimics everything, Like
even that is annoying, right, So yeah, Pat Mahomes being
good but doing stuff that others are going to emulate
that becomes annoying, is annoying?
Speaker 8 (20:35):
Why not?
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Why are we doing this because we can?
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Oh?
Speaker 9 (20:45):
Man, you talk about throwback. This was Chris Paul's early contemporary,
Darren Williams now, oh yeah. For those that don't know
Darren Williams, he was a part of the Three Headed Monster,
the Illinois team that went undefeated with Luther Head and
some other guy that I don't remember, and then he
had a lucrative NBA career. I don't know if it
was very successful, but he made a ton of money
(21:08):
and now he's doing podcasts. Darren Williams is spelled d
E r O N, which is really stupid. His parents
set him up for a lifetime of people misspelling his name.
I guarantee if when Darren Williams goes to Starbucks, he's
never once had his name spelled correctly. He said something
(21:28):
interesting about the dynamic between Lebron and Luca some clips
of uh.
Speaker 12 (21:35):
Of him or it looked like he he don't really
fuck with Luca, like not shaking hands. I seem like
a hole. It was like like seven clips ye didn't
help him up when he fell, just a little shit
like that.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
So good, so good?
Speaker 8 (21:52):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Darren Williams, by the way, was known for having the
fat gene. Are you familiar with the fat gene?
Speaker 9 (21:57):
No? What is up?
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Fat fat gene in sports? Is like no matter what,
like you just you blink and all of a sudden
he's added ten pounds. Like he's never really in shape,
but never really out of shape. But if he doesn't
do anything every day like somehow he gets a little
he was. He was an amazing athlete and an incredible crossover,
but he always felt.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Like he was ten pounds out of shape. It's funny.
Speaker 9 (22:18):
It's funny you say that because the person he was
talking to on that podcast was Raymond Felton, which I
always thought he had that same thing.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Yeah, Rayon Felton for well, if you've seen Raymond Felton recently,
you'd realize he did.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Every day I get a little bit older and ball
there and fatter. Why could we play it for you?
Because we can. That's it for the other bonus podcast.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
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