December 11, 2025 • 41 mins
Doug talks about the poor decision making of Sherrone Moore in the scandal at Michigan. Doug reacts to Dan Patrick's take about the next Michigan head coach. Doug chooses among deserving candidates Jason Stewart deems are most annoying today. Plus, Travis Kelce makes today's installment of "Because We Can".
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Here's in
the bonus with Doug Gottlieb.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
What Doug Gottlieb Show. In the bonus Fox Sports Radio.
iHeartRadio app Welcome in. So there's really only one topic today.
I mean, I mean think we can do other topics,
but it's all by the Sharon more deal. And the
podcast is great because we can actually kind of speak freely, right,
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speak freely. So let me kind of give you my
a spiel. And obviously listen to this podcast. Know that
the radio show podcast what this rolls into the next
two hours, and so we'll talk about it some more.
Obviously radio is a little bit different. I understand that
this is fucking stupid from Sharon Moore, right, It's it's stupid.
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It's one thing to cheat, it's another thing to cheat
on your wife. When the head coach at Michigan, it's
another thing to cheat on your wife. And the head
coach of Michigan with a staffer who works pause under you,
right when they report to you you are there superior employee.
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Uh and and there's a lot to it. But I'm
gonna be honest with you. I actually feel a ton
of empathy and sympathy for the guy, because there's a
greater chance than not that he's going to lose his
family as well, lost his job, lost his family. And
I've heard about the reports. I don't know what's true
in terms of what happened last night in Michigan, if
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he threatened to kill himself or whatever. Right, obviously that's
been reported several times over. But again I understand, I do.
I'm a guy who has done dumb shit in their life.
I mean, when I was at Notre Dame, that's just
fucking dumb shit, dumb. I'm a guy who I went
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through a divorce, I lost my wife and kids. It's
fucking devastating when you truly actually care. And I can't
imagine all of that stuff. And I have felt the
weight of media and social media when even like my
fucking stool last week, where in the hallway where no
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one's gonna see, like I can feel, you can feel
the weight of it. Imagine being him last night and today,
or being his kids, or his wife or anybody associated
with him. I just I dude, I get it. I
know you're sitting there going, well, that's dumb shit, And
look there's a lot of dumb things. I think the
dumbest is, uh, you shouldn't have a woman on staff period. Stop.
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It's just there's no way that they just the reward
for it. And I've had people say, like we had
my director of basketball ops was Dennis Harrington. He left
and became a full time assistant air Force. And when
den Bo left, I had several people go, you know,
it looked good you had a female dobo.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Like.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yeah, yeah, I'd love for somebody to be a but
like I can tell you, we had a sports psychologist
for our team last year. She was a young woman
who was studying to get her your master's or doctorate,
I don't remember. She was a very very nice lady,
young lady. And again I had to tell everybody, Okay,
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if you are in any way inappropriate, anyway inappropriate in
what you're wearing, how you're acting, if you texting like
and it's a hard one, right because this is you're
trying to encourage players. If you feel like you need counseling,
here's what we're gonna provide for you. We're gonna provide
counseling for you. But as you try and get vulnerable right,
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like you can't hit on this girl like you just
you can't. It's off off, off, off limits, offlem it
doesn't matter if you're single. Off limits can't happen. Coaches
your single, I don't care. Can't happen, doesn't happen, So
I don't. I'm sure Jason, you're just thinking, what a
fucking dumbass. Yeah, but again, ask yourself, honestly, if you're
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a guy, we have a higher propensity for dumb ass
things to do. Right. The reason that guys cost more
to ensure as drivers is because guys do dumb shit.
And I'm just not gonna be I'm not gonna be
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the guy who casts the first stone. I think that's
fucking stupid. I've done plenty of dumb shit in my life,
some of which the world knows about, some of which
the world doesn't know about, all of which I'm fucking
embarrassed by. And when you're a public figure and you
fuck up, the weight of the world is really, really heavy.
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I'm not excusing it. I'm not saying that Michigan had
any other choice. I don't know of Michigan if this
was all known and they pocketed and used it because
they've fallen off of their purchase being the top team
in the Big Ten from two years ago. I don't know,
I do know. It's really really dumb. It is incredibly preventable.
We could go into the there's only three undefeated teams right,
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seventy two Dolphins, Father Time and Women. But I actually
woke up today going fuck, I feel bad for that dude.
He fucked up in a major way and there's just
no escaping it. What's interesting is, like fucking Bobby Petrino
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was the interim head coach at Arkansas this year where
he was the coach when he essentially did the exact
same thing. I gets crazy. As much as we can say, hey,
guys lose their job, you lose your career over it,
the fact is there is in college sports there is
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only one sin which is fatal. It's not sins of
the flesh. It's losing. Bob Patrino won a lot of
games at Louisville. That's why he got that job a
second time. Bob Petreno was winning games at Arkansas. That's
why he got a second shot as an intermed coach.
Do I think Sharon Moore gets the second shot? Probably
somewhere down the line. But I actually feel a tremendous
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amount of empathy, and then I feel empathy for I'm
empathetic for everybody else on that Michigan staff because when
he got fired yesterday, so did everybody else. Like they're
all gone, all of them. Like I'll use my own
montern Okla mistate as a as a parallel. Obviously, they
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didn't fire Mike Gundy for anything off the field. That
guy's a stud off the field, right, But when they
did fire him, you know all those guys. Rob Glass
was the longest tenured strength coach in the Big Twelve.
He's also the highest paid strength coach in the Big Twelve.
And if you ask anybody myself included, who's watched Oklhoma
State over the years, Rob Glass and Mike Gundy are
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co responsible for the rise of that program. And Rob
Glass lost his job yesterday. His contract expired. And that's
what happens. You bring in a new coach, they're going
to clean house. They're gonna bring in their own guys.
Even if you're really good at your job, they want
to bring in guys they know, guys, they've worked with,
guys that are loyal to them. I understand that. But
when Sharon Moore got fired yesterday, just so you know,
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everybody else in that program got fired, and he's responsible
for it, and any sort of human being or what
their salt, knows he's responsible for it. That's the respect.
That's the weight of being a head coach. That's what
you don't understand. That's the stress. If you're a real
human being. The stress comes not from your own like
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I'm gonna be good, Like we're gonna get this thing going.
We think it's going in the right direction. We're gonna
get this thing turned. We're gonna get this thing to
be the top program in the Rising League. I have
zero doubt about it. But the reason that anything else
you do is important is and the stress of wanting
to get it done is knowing that if you get fired,
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or if you do some stupid all those other people
are getting fired. All the people you like, all the
people who trusted you, who believe in you, they're getting fired.
And that's what you When you're an assistant coach and
you take that job, you're taking the job because you
believe in the head coach. Leaving the program you believe
in what they're doing. So I get that he's an
easy punching bag, and it's it's really easy to go
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top rope on a dude and for and there's plenty
of people on social media who are like, hey, you
jumped down Michigan State a couple of years ago. You know,
now you're jumping on you know now Michigan's doing the
same thing. I get it. I understand it, like we can. Well,
we talked about that a lot on radio, and we'll
talk about it now. But I don't know. I woke
up and like, oh my god, can you imagine just
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waking up and being that guy today? Right, he can't sleep.
I don't know if he's still in custody, but you're
not going home to sleep anywhere you go in public
and an arbor. People know who Jase do. Am I
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wrong to feel some empathy towards him?
Speaker 4 (09:51):
I think so. I just think that, you know, as
my dad told me and as I've told my son,
you know, life comes down to choices. You know, if
you choose not to do your homework, that means you're
choosing to not watch TV. There are choices that we
all make, and we all have the agency to not
make I think giving him giving him any any kind
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of breathing room here on the choices that he made,
the devastating choices. You laid out every all the downstream
impact of his choices. He had people's livelihoods at stake,
his own livelihood, his family, and his kids. I just
don't know if I could give him any latitude here.
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When you say that men make men do stupid things,
I mean there's degrees of that. Just just just on Monday,
you said that one of the reasons you didn't think
Pete Carroll had it in him to cover that spread
for a gambling is because he knows that he would
have lost his career if he was caught, which implies
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that you have an agency in circumstances. Cheron more knew
the consequences of this and he chose to do it.
And also, surrounding yourself with women implies that we're all
just Neanderthals that aren't mature enough to make decisions around women.
And I think that's false.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Uh Okay again, this is why it's a really good topic.
This is why we talked about it in a radio
and you know it's the it's it's no different from
in my mind, and I actually have less empathy for
people who are drunk drivers. For people who are drunk
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drivers less because you talked about downstream effects. Right, you're
affecting other people, but you can kill other people and
you're basically in a loaded weapon in a car. Right.
But as I say, how many people, again, there's a
we consider here and go like, well, I would never
cheat on my wife, especially with somebody who works in
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my office. I understand most people would not. I hopefully
would not, But there's a percentage of people that would
say I will never get behind the wheel of a
car drinking, and then they do, right, and that has
longer lasting, more drastic effects if anything goes wrong. So again,
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this is not me in any way saying hey man,
I get it, Jesus cutie, right, got it? Like, no,
it's not that, it's the well that was fucking dumb. God,
that was dumb. And you know, especially when you're the
head coach, when it's Michigan, she works for you, Like
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what the fuck or how did no one say? Like coach,
this is a bad idea, bad idea, bad idea. I
don't know, but what I do know is, holy shit,
he lost his whole life yesterday, his whole life, and
just again. In the family dynamic and in the head
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coaching dynamic, I can on many levels like I know
what it's like to, you know, do something dumb and
affect other people and not have thought of it in
the moment.
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There's really one topic today, but many different sorts of
ways to take it. It's all about Sharon Moore's ouster
at Michigan. Here's Brady Quinn Domer talking about the situation
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at Michigan.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
College football is a world where it's a crazy space
because you have these really really rich, wealthy donors who
have such a strong, powerful position behind the scenes that
are these puppet masters at least at their schools, where
if they want something done, they have their ways of
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getting them done. And oftentimes when you pay a coach
and you're a part of that and then you have
a falling out or you don't want the coach to
be there anymore. What they typically do is they try
to use a cause in some fashion or form to
get out of having to pay that coach. In this case,
what I had heard was that there was an investigation
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going on about an appropriate relationship with a staffer, and
I kind of thought to myself at that time, given
the timing of what was happening in football, and then
looking at this, was all right, how much of this
is legitimate? How much of this has to do with
where they are on the field. The question kind of
came about where's this program going? Is shrow More the
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right guy for it? And all you needed was a
little extra motivation to be able to say, yeah, let's
move on. And obviously the what's being reported is terrible
what he's been alleged of doing. But I also wonder
when you look at just the investigation in the first place,
you know how all this stuff comes about, because that's
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typically what happens.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Now.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
A lot of these schools, they look for, they look
at the coach. If he's not doing a good job,
they do everything they can to try to find a
way of firing with costs and they don't have to
pay him.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
I completely agree with Brady's premise, but I also will
tell you that the part that makes it so that
he was going to be fired regardless was that she
was on staff. Right, that's this is Bobby Petrino. This
is the same thing. Right, You're not supposed to have
an affair when you're married, but it does, in fact happen.
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It does, and I read something where like over seventy
percent of affairs happened in the workplace. Whatever. But it's
it's one thing to have it inappropriate relationship. It's another
thing to have an inappropriate relationship with someone who works.
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Sorry for the term pause under you, Right, it just does.
So Brady's right. They if they want to fire you,
they're going to find a way to not pay you.
They'll they'll find a reason. But a Sharon Moore gave
him far too easy a reason. Here's Dan Patrick talking
about possible replacements at Michigan.
Speaker 6 (16:38):
The coaching carousel stopped. Everybody got their long term deals
or they went and took other jobs. Now you got
to have a coach, and you got to get one quickly.
If this is three weeks ago, does Matt Campbell go
to Penn State. Now you're going to look at other guys.
They're going to go after Kaitlin de Boor, they're going
to go after Vanderbilt's Clark Lee. They're going to go
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after to Kenny Dialingham at Arizona State. Nobody thought Michigan
was gonna be open. So this is a mess. This
is a mess on all fronts with Michigan. I'm gonna
throw out a wild card name and I have no
information on this, But if I need a coach right now,
proven coach right now, has no ties to anything right now,
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I go after Brian Kelly. He knows the landscape, no ties,
got the money coming from LSU, but he.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Would go in.
Speaker 6 (17:32):
You could go right in right away. But the other ones,
you know, that's kind of a tangled web of trying
to get these coaches. Can you get somebody right now?
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Yeah? You can. You can get somebody right now. You
just have to, you know, figure out who you wanted
to be and how you wanted to build it. My
personal suggestion why Brian Kelly makes sense is he can
he can hit the portal and know exactly who he wants.
They were playing and get LSU right, they had all
the plans. He can bring in, the coaches, he can
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bring in the players, because you're going to have a
mostly new team whomever gets this job. Remember, once you
players can go in the portal anyway, but they have
until thirty days after a coach is hired, now changed
from when they're fired, but until they hired to decide
whether or not they want to be in the portal,
and generally everybody leaves. That's how it works. So the idea,
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like the John Gruden idea, sounds like a great idea,
but it only works if he brings in a staff
full of guys that have been in college, that know
what they want, who they want, and understand that they're
going to have. It's going to be a rough first
year because you're going to have a whole new team,
a whole new staff, and he's got to figure out
the college landscape. But Brian Kelly's not a bad name
in any way. I think if there's a way to
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look at other coaches in the Big twelve that may
have hit a ceilium that really that's the Matt Campbell
hire at Penn State. Right, We're like, ah, kind of
hit a there. You know, there's there are other options
that do work. But I think that in an effort
to stabilize a program, because otherwise you're going to get pummeled,
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you have to hire somebody that has a team staff
to come over, as opposed to hiring somebody who comes
from the NFL, for example, or from not coaching. That's
what my personal perspective. Here's Colin Cowherd talking about the
decision to promote your own more to begin with.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
It's not every job, but certain jobs in America you
need an elevated sense of character, both personally and professionally.
You know, school president, you hope, the church, college campus jobs.
There are certain jobs where you have to have a
seriousness about you, in a maturity about you so you
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can meet the job. You can meet the program, you
can meet the standard. Michigan football is not only a
college football job, it's one of America's great public institutions.
When I was a kid growing up, to me, Michigan football,
it's his way, pre Brady, I thought it was the
best program in America. Like the fight song, the crowd,
the games, and Michigan football to me as a kid,
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even through college, like that was the job, a great university,
wonderful fans, and Sharon Moore to me, I'll be honest
with you, he always felt like an interim coach. I
just didn't think he was that good of a coach,
right Like, even at his opening presser he kind of
used a hardball quote. He didn't have his own identity. Again,
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I didn't think he was that great of a coach,
but he was close to Jim Harball. And my rule
has never changed in thirty years in this business. I
have a rule in sports and in any business, the
greater the employee you're asked to replace Jim Harball, the
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wider the search has to be. You can't just hand
it to a staffer if you're trying to replace Jim Harball.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
I genuinely generally agree. Okay. The problem is that, first
of all, Michigan had storied success when coach Fisher, Steve
Fisher took over with basketball, right he was an assistant coach,
he was a Michigan man, and he took over the job.
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Michigan State in basketball had Tom Izzo as the heir
apparent to the great jud Heathcote, So there is precedents
there in college football coach. Odo took over one at USC.
They probably should have given him the job when he
took over as an interim. Then he did. So he
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got the job at LSU when Les Miles left right,
and he took them to greater heights. And he had
failed as a head coach previously at Ole Miss. There's
certain guys that fit certain jobs for a certain amount
of time, So Colin's not wrong. But I think what
was done by Michigan, and again this is a congruent take.
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It's the idea of you're gonna lose your defensive coordinator,
You're gonna lose your head coach. They had a senior laden,
draft heavy team and the only way to keep the
train going down the tracks and keep the organization was
to keep Sharon Moore and most of the other staffers there.
That's the reality to it. So you know, and you
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win eight and nine games, and I get it, it
does feel like failure, and we had talked about it,
but I don't think that two years, especially when you
start a freshman quarterback, I don't think two years is
enough time. I just do not. I don't believe that.
It's not like the bottom fell out It's not like
they were an embarrassment. It's you know, what he was
left with was he had to he had to figure
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out the top half of his roster because the top
half had all left for the NFL Draft. Listen, everybody
has their own philosophy in hiring. There are no there
are no guarantees whomever you hire. A college football is
the perfect example of that, right Brian Kelly, for example,
was that a good hire by LSU Like I actually
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thought it was. And you know, two years ago they
finished as like the hottest team of the country, Jane
Daniels wins the Heisman Trophy, and they couldn't get over
the hump the past two years and they fired him.
They fired him. You know that does happen. There are
hires that we don't love that are awesome, that work
out really, really well. Even Ryan Day taking over. Ryan
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Day was the air parent there. So again, you don't
like a staffer taking over. Ohio State has been the
best football program in the past two years in the country,
and Ryan Day was an assistant who took over an
urban myra retire like, so again, what don't you like
about it? You don't like Jeron Moore because you didn't
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think he was a great interview. His impassioned interview after
Harball left was incredible, or when he was suspended was incredible.
So you know, I'm not gonna be critical of the hire.
I can only judge you based up on what you do,
and I understand why it made sense. That's what the
Fox says say.
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Speaker 2 (24:27):
Let's find out what's annoying Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
Hey, Doug, The knives are out for Jalen Hurts this week, Right,
knives are out head coaches asking about replacing him at Starter.
You got the feeling that the entire aj Brown drama
this season was about one guy, Jalen Hurts. That's my
theory and I'm gonna stick to it, and I'm gonna
say this too.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
Jalen asked yesterday about all the adversity, and he answered
it this.
Speaker 7 (25:03):
Way, success or greatness, those things aren't in near. You
have your you have your downs with about how you
respond to it. And I think about think about that.
I mean, it's it's nothing new that I haven't faced before.
It's a matter of responding to it. And I got
a lot of confidence how we respond I got a
lot of confidence how we go.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
You yourself have compared it to kind of Russell Wilson. I
have no idea how he's regarded within the Walker room.
I have no idea. I know Russell Wilson is extremely fake, disingenuous,
and it's obvious. I don't know Jalen hurts that way
and he doesn't come off that way. But I will
say this about him, that this cool temperament, this nothing
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affects me, nothing bothers me, looks really good when you're winning.
It looks great when you're winning a super Bowl. That
guy was unfettered. Highs and lows. You can never tell
he was the exact same. But when you're going one
through the shit and you have a fan base that
is that passionate, made up of that many imbeciles, and
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a local media that is that vitriolic, I think you
have to show emotion. You have to or else you're
going to be digging yourself a deeper hole. Like in
this answer, I wanted to hear more passion. I didn't
want to hear that I've been through this, we'll get
through it.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Talk.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
I think it's going to end up, I guess you
would say expediating his exit from Philly.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
This temperament, it's a really it's a very interesting topic.
Let me expound. The first thing is one of the
reasons I didn't like the idea of Jalen Hurts in
the pros when he was drafted was I went to Oklahoma,
Oklahoma State OS you beat them in bedlam, and I
was on the field before the game and I was
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talking to I remember who was there was a couple
of scouts, and I was with somebody who's broadcast in
the game. And again people can look it up if
they'd like to. And what everyone said was what I
had heard in college football circles, which is the Jalen
Hurts if you remember in college, he'd post that he
was like working out after games, like squatting some he's
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a big squat you know, deadlift guy whatever, and he
would post those videos after the game or somebody who
did his social was and their their take was that
they didn't those guys didn't love Jalen like it wasn't
because remember they had you know, they they also had
Baker Mayfield at one point, right, you got all these
other quarterbacks. Kyler was a good personality, but Baker was
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the guy they loved. Jalen was a guy they're like,
it feels forced. There's some Russell Wilson there in terms
of the image is a little bit concocted. Now, I
generally agree with you in that you kind of have
to have personality that meets that meets the personality of
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the fans. It's like, one of the reasons his head
coach works in Philly is despite the fact he's kind
of bombastic, he says some wild things. He's making faces
like that that feeds Philadelphia. Right now, you have a
quarterback who's kind of too cool for school. Remember the
themo on. Jalen was not a bad guy, But Jalen's
about Jalen and about how Jalen presents himself, not about
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one of just being one of the dudes, right, just
being one of the guys. It's kind of what you
have to be. So he does have a certain kind
of regalness with how he carries himself. But a lot
of people think like that's Jalen about Jalen and not
Jalen being about us. I can't come. I don't know.
I don't work with them on a daily basis. And
I'm telling you that again, that's more dated analysis from
a couple of years ago when he was first coming
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out and first in the league. But the last part
to it is, and here's where I'll agree with you
or I'll disagree with you and agree with you at
the same time. I agree that Philly needs something of
the Hey, I hear you, Philly Philadelphia fans, like we
won you Super Bowl. We've been to another one. We're
gonna fix it. We're gonna get it right right, instead
of the eh, not too high, not too low. I've
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been through this before, will be fine, right, So I do.
But the part I disagree with you is you can't
when you're thirty years old, can't change who you are now.
That may, like you said, ultimately lead to his ouster
being expedited. But you can't make a guy who's not
a raw, raw guy a raw rack guy. And he
can't make a guy who's emotional unemotional, because then you're
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not your truest self, you're not your best self. So
you're right, But I also think that asking Jalen hurts
to be something that he's not. I think that's a
that's a what is it? A faded company? Faded company fit?
A flaw? What else is it? What else annoying you?
Speaker 4 (29:52):
So I'm going to go from somebody who who is
complicated to someone who isn't at all. Now, Newton, his
post playing career has been interesting, bordering on ridiculous. I
think the brand that he's that he's forming as a
podcaster analyst is clownish. I don't think the hat helps.
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If I was a brand manager, I would say lose
the fucking hat and stop with like the clownish behavior,
because if you want us to take you seriously, then
then we don't know if you're being serious or not.
This is a great example. I know you're gonna love
this one, right. Philip Rivers comes out at forty four.
He signs with the Colts. Of course, Cam Newton's got
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an opinion on this. Everyone knew that. Now I will
say this too. Whoever he pays to do the promos
for his podcast, he needs to fire. His promos are
almost as unintelligible as Cam Newton, so I had to
do some editing. Bear with me, listener, This is the
gist of what Cam Newton. His big reaction to the
(30:58):
Philip Rivers signing this week.
Speaker 8 (31:00):
Andy, if they call yeah yeah this, I was like
a slap in my face. All the things that you're
doing in media. Do you come off like you're available.
He's retired. You ain't even retired.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
I did not and will not because of an opportunity
like that. Als always in a system. But still like,
I don't give a damn if he was in a family.
He's forty four years old. Bro.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
The whole Cam Newton is to a standard that you're not.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Holding everybody else. But I know when it.
Speaker 8 (31:30):
Comes with me the personality, Bro, Folks don't want to
should a situation.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
They don't want to they don't want a circus. That's
that's after being edited.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
After being edited, Yeah, I'll send you the actual promo.
Speaker 6 (31:44):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
I actually like the actual promo to run back to back,
so then then then people can can feel it. But
that's okay. I just he doesn't have any friends. That's
that's the problem with Cam Newton, because if he had
a friend, he would go him. Is it about the
circus a little bit. Is it about the fact that
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it's always about you a little bit? Do you know
what it's really about? You can't throw a fucking football anymore.
You can't throw a fucking football anymore. Let me repeat,
you can't throw a fucking football anymore. You hurt your
shoulder in Carolina. You couldn't throw a football ever since
you're throwing motion change. You couldn't throw a fucking football.
(32:30):
That's really it. Yeah. Is he a huge personality? Yeah,
but he doesn't fucking get it. It has zero I
don't think it has anything to do because it doesn't
even get to that point. It's not like, well he
can because I'll give you the guy who had a
very very uh terse personality for some people, came back
(32:57):
late in his career and played a couple of years.
That was Jeff George. Now I will grant you he
only played till he was thirty four years old. But
Jeff George came back into the league after being out
of the league and did so. You're like, man, Jeff George,
remember you won eight games in Minnesota in nineteen nine nine.
People forget all that right. Then he played in Washington
(33:19):
with then Redskins for two separate years. And the only
reason Jeff George played is he can throw a fucking
football like you've never fucking seen before. That's all that
it's about. And yeah, he's in the system. He's a
fucking savant with the system, and he's what's available. So Cam, dude,
you have to know better than that. And I said
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this before, and I mean it the easiest way for
you to know that Cam Newton has no friends, has
no supporters. In the NFL, he played for Ron Rivera
with the Carolina Panthers.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
He was the.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
MVP of the league with Ron Rivera and the Carolina Panthers.
Ron Rivera got fired by the Carolina Panthers. He went
to the Washington at the time, they were the football
team now than the Commanders. He was a coach there.
They brought in two quarterbacks. They brought in a veteran
quarterback and a younger quarterback. You know who they didn't
bring in. They didn't bring in Cam Newton. If the
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guy who you took his team to the Super Bowl
sees you on the street essentially for free, and you're
the former MVP you're playing for him, wouldn't you think
Shane Steichen was. Shane Steikeen was offensive coordinaated for half
the season with the LA Chargers, right. He was quarterback
coached before that, and when he had to find a
(34:43):
quarterback the guy he reached out he was like, fuck,
I gotta get Philip Rivers. That's the only guy who
knows my system that can do it. That's my guy
for I don't care if he's forty four, if he's
eighty four, fuck that. He knows more than anybody else.
I don't know if he can play, but if he
can throw football, we might have to throw him out there.
That's what you would think Ron Rivera would do. Do
you know what he didn't do. He never called Cam Newton.
You know why, because Cam Newton's a pain in the ass.
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He was never terribly accurate. There is a circus, but
more than anything, you can't throw a fucking football anymore.
I actually like the hat for podcasts because it gives
the podcasting world sort of a bad name, because it
feels like you have to have some sort of clownish
look in order to get established. But the other thing is,
(35:27):
I'm guessing Cam Newton because he basically he basically made
ESPN into being racist for not having him on first take.
Now he's on first take, he'll probably use the same
card to get a look in the NFL, and maybe
that maybe that works.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
I was just gonna say this promo. Maybe he says
it on the podcast. The promo comes just short of saying,
a forty four year old white guy got a job,
and sure, no.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Question, just short, no question. That's the next card.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
So so this takes a little setup here the I
guess the subject of my I are here. The annoying
part is Generation Alpha. Generation A was born in twenty ten,
so if you if you were born in two thousand.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
I had no idea this, I had no idea. I
guess it's after gen Z. I got it.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
Jen A is after gen Z got it. And this
includes Alpha and Z. In and Out has chosen to
remove sixty seven and seventy six or sixty seven as
an order number because it has become a fucking circus
whenever six' seven is mentioned as in and out. Seven
(36:37):
so they put on TikTok And. Instagram all the kids do.
It and here's the problem for people that don't know,
business Especially Jen. ALPHA i don't even think you should know.
Business in And out's only priority as a company is
to make as much money as possible in the hours
they are open every. Day that's the only thing they care.
(36:58):
About the certainly don't fucking care about your. Fun so
for the Generation alpha AND z that have complained that
in And out is no fun anymore and that they're
going to stop eating, hamburgers first of, all good luck
not eating some of the best hamburgers in the country.
Ever and, secondly they don't owe you. Fun they. Don't
(37:19):
they don't. Want this is what the problem. Was they
would do this six seven and people would get their cameras,
out and, employees the person grilling the hamburgers and making
the fries and at the uh at the window would
all like be doing this fucking uh circus thing they
were their employees were being distracted and it looked. Unprofessional
(37:41):
And in And out doesn't care about your. Fun so
when you say in And out is no, fun you're
telling me you know nothing about, business and they don't
want a. DISTRACTION i just just a few weeks, AGO i, Said,
doug you are a parent of GEN. Z i am
somebody else was on the podcast that day that's a.
(38:01):
PARENT i forget who it. Is but, ANYWAYS i asked
you to explain what gen z what six seven, means
and you. COULDN'T i can't explain. It most people. CAN'T
i don't even think that people in these ridiculous videos
could explain. It it's gonna be one of those things
in ten to twenty, years we're gonna look back and be,
LIKE i have no idea what that, was but it
was fucking. Stupid and so, anyways if you, are if
(38:24):
you are a part of the boycott on in and
out because they remove sixty seven as a as an order,
number you're a.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Loser stop. It do they still have six?
Speaker 4 (38:32):
Nine i'm guessing they still have six y.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Nine, yeah it's crazy that sixty seven is, gone but
sixty sixty? Nine, um, yeah it's pretty, annoying is that?
It do you have anything else that's? Knowing, no that's.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
It Cam, Newton Jalen hurts And Jen.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Alpha as much As i'd love to stomp On Jen,
ALPHA i do believe in the. Children the children are
if you keep him young and let them lead the
way something like, That i'm gonna go With Cam newton all,
right Because Cam, newton not having any sense of, self
not understanding that it was a miracle they could win
(39:16):
games with him at quarterback With Bill belichick as head
coach Replacing Tom. BRADY i don't know what to do with,
Him Cam. Newton the fact that you didn't know that
it's over and why it's actually over as.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Annoy why are we doing? THIS i do.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Because we. Can what do you got from?
Speaker 4 (39:42):
Me Jay. Stoop Travis kelcey tried to sum up why
he's struggling this year on his Podcasts into The. Heights
what is? It New, Heights New Heights, Podcast New, Heights Withering.
HEIGHTS i think It's Withering.
Speaker 9 (39:53):
Heights, yeah it's it's been a tough fucking go around
the past two.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Days, yeah it's just he put.
Speaker 9 (40:00):
In all this fucking work and hopes that it pays,
off and right now it's just for whatever fucking. Reason,
man it's little. Things IT'S i don't, know. DISCIPLINE i
feel Like i've always had the answers in years, past
and this year it's JUST i just can't find. Them
AND i keep, thinking IF i show up to work
AND i put in the work AND i fix the
issues through my, practice, habits and through through perfecting the
(40:27):
game plan and my fundamentals and What i'm being, taught
and go out there and try and play my ass
off for my guys next to. Me it's all gonna
come together like it has in years, past and this
year is just not.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Man, yeah that's called getting. Old that's what. Happens you,
do you get, Old and it really is amazing on
how long most tight ends are able to play when
their speed. Goes but what happens, is you know his
timing is just a hair. Off you, know he's a
step slow And mahomes is looking for him to be
(40:59):
a step. Quicker that's a heart adjustment and you can
hide it if the talent around you is so good
that you can just find your. Niche but when you
have to be the guy week by week by, WEEK
i JUST i think you're asking too. Much why can
we play it for? You because we. Can that's it
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All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Here's in
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
What Doug Gottlieb Show. In the bonus Fox Sports Radio.
iHeartRadio app Welcome in. So there's really only one topic today.
I mean, I mean think we can do other topics,
but it's all by the Sharon more deal. And the
podcast is great because we can actually kind of speak freely, right,
(00:34):
speak freely. So let me kind of give you my
a spiel. And obviously listen to this podcast. Know that
the radio show podcast what this rolls into the next
two hours, and so we'll talk about it some more.
Obviously radio is a little bit different. I understand that
this is fucking stupid from Sharon Moore, right, It's it's stupid.
(01:01):
It's one thing to cheat, it's another thing to cheat
on your wife. When the head coach at Michigan, it's
another thing to cheat on your wife. And the head
coach of Michigan with a staffer who works pause under you,
right when they report to you you are there superior employee.
(01:28):
Uh and and there's a lot to it. But I'm
gonna be honest with you. I actually feel a ton
of empathy and sympathy for the guy, because there's a
greater chance than not that he's going to lose his
family as well, lost his job, lost his family. And
I've heard about the reports. I don't know what's true
in terms of what happened last night in Michigan, if
(01:50):
he threatened to kill himself or whatever. Right, obviously that's
been reported several times over. But again I understand, I do.
I'm a guy who has done dumb shit in their life.
I mean, when I was at Notre Dame, that's just
fucking dumb shit, dumb. I'm a guy who I went
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through a divorce, I lost my wife and kids. It's
fucking devastating when you truly actually care. And I can't
imagine all of that stuff. And I have felt the
weight of media and social media when even like my
fucking stool last week, where in the hallway where no
(02:32):
one's gonna see, like I can feel, you can feel
the weight of it. Imagine being him last night and today,
or being his kids, or his wife or anybody associated
with him. I just I dude, I get it. I
know you're sitting there going, well, that's dumb shit, And
look there's a lot of dumb things. I think the
dumbest is, uh, you shouldn't have a woman on staff period. Stop.
(03:00):
It's just there's no way that they just the reward
for it. And I've had people say, like we had
my director of basketball ops was Dennis Harrington. He left
and became a full time assistant air Force. And when
den Bo left, I had several people go, you know,
it looked good you had a female dobo.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Like.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yeah, yeah, I'd love for somebody to be a but
like I can tell you, we had a sports psychologist
for our team last year. She was a young woman
who was studying to get her your master's or doctorate,
I don't remember. She was a very very nice lady,
young lady. And again I had to tell everybody, Okay,
(03:45):
if you are in any way inappropriate, anyway inappropriate in
what you're wearing, how you're acting, if you texting like
and it's a hard one, right because this is you're
trying to encourage players. If you feel like you need counseling,
here's what we're gonna provide for you. We're gonna provide
counseling for you. But as you try and get vulnerable right,
(04:10):
like you can't hit on this girl like you just
you can't. It's off off, off, off limits, offlem it
doesn't matter if you're single. Off limits can't happen. Coaches
your single, I don't care. Can't happen, doesn't happen, So
I don't. I'm sure Jason, you're just thinking, what a
fucking dumbass. Yeah, but again, ask yourself, honestly, if you're
(04:36):
a guy, we have a higher propensity for dumb ass
things to do. Right. The reason that guys cost more
to ensure as drivers is because guys do dumb shit.
And I'm just not gonna be I'm not gonna be
(04:58):
the guy who casts the first stone. I think that's
fucking stupid. I've done plenty of dumb shit in my life,
some of which the world knows about, some of which
the world doesn't know about, all of which I'm fucking
embarrassed by. And when you're a public figure and you
fuck up, the weight of the world is really, really heavy.
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I'm not excusing it. I'm not saying that Michigan had
any other choice. I don't know of Michigan if this
was all known and they pocketed and used it because
they've fallen off of their purchase being the top team
in the Big Ten from two years ago. I don't know,
I do know. It's really really dumb. It is incredibly preventable.
We could go into the there's only three undefeated teams right,
(05:42):
seventy two Dolphins, Father Time and Women. But I actually
woke up today going fuck, I feel bad for that dude.
He fucked up in a major way and there's just
no escaping it. What's interesting is, like fucking Bobby Petrino
(06:04):
was the interim head coach at Arkansas this year where
he was the coach when he essentially did the exact
same thing. I gets crazy. As much as we can say, hey,
guys lose their job, you lose your career over it,
the fact is there is in college sports there is
(06:27):
only one sin which is fatal. It's not sins of
the flesh. It's losing. Bob Patrino won a lot of
games at Louisville. That's why he got that job a
second time. Bob Petreno was winning games at Arkansas. That's
why he got a second shot as an intermed coach.
Do I think Sharon Moore gets the second shot? Probably
somewhere down the line. But I actually feel a tremendous
(06:53):
amount of empathy, and then I feel empathy for I'm
empathetic for everybody else on that Michigan staff because when
he got fired yesterday, so did everybody else. Like they're
all gone, all of them. Like I'll use my own
montern Okla mistate as a as a parallel. Obviously, they
(07:15):
didn't fire Mike Gundy for anything off the field. That
guy's a stud off the field, right, But when they
did fire him, you know all those guys. Rob Glass
was the longest tenured strength coach in the Big Twelve.
He's also the highest paid strength coach in the Big Twelve.
And if you ask anybody myself included, who's watched Oklhoma
State over the years, Rob Glass and Mike Gundy are
(07:37):
co responsible for the rise of that program. And Rob
Glass lost his job yesterday. His contract expired. And that's
what happens. You bring in a new coach, they're going
to clean house. They're gonna bring in their own guys.
Even if you're really good at your job, they want
to bring in guys they know, guys, they've worked with,
guys that are loyal to them. I understand that. But
when Sharon Moore got fired yesterday, just so you know,
(08:00):
everybody else in that program got fired, and he's responsible
for it, and any sort of human being or what
their salt, knows he's responsible for it. That's the respect.
That's the weight of being a head coach. That's what
you don't understand. That's the stress. If you're a real
human being. The stress comes not from your own like
(08:24):
I'm gonna be good, Like we're gonna get this thing going.
We think it's going in the right direction. We're gonna
get this thing turned. We're gonna get this thing to
be the top program in the Rising League. I have
zero doubt about it. But the reason that anything else
you do is important is and the stress of wanting
to get it done is knowing that if you get fired,
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or if you do some stupid all those other people
are getting fired. All the people you like, all the
people who trusted you, who believe in you, they're getting fired.
And that's what you When you're an assistant coach and
you take that job, you're taking the job because you
believe in the head coach. Leaving the program you believe
in what they're doing. So I get that he's an
easy punching bag, and it's it's really easy to go
(09:09):
top rope on a dude and for and there's plenty
of people on social media who are like, hey, you
jumped down Michigan State a couple of years ago. You know,
now you're jumping on you know now Michigan's doing the
same thing. I get it. I understand it, like we can. Well,
we talked about that a lot on radio, and we'll
talk about it now. But I don't know. I woke
up and like, oh my god, can you imagine just
(09:29):
waking up and being that guy today? Right, he can't sleep.
I don't know if he's still in custody, but you're
not going home to sleep anywhere you go in public
and an arbor. People know who Jase do. Am I
(09:49):
wrong to feel some empathy towards him?
Speaker 4 (09:51):
I think so. I just think that, you know, as
my dad told me and as I've told my son,
you know, life comes down to choices. You know, if
you choose not to do your homework, that means you're
choosing to not watch TV. There are choices that we
all make, and we all have the agency to not
make I think giving him giving him any any kind
(10:16):
of breathing room here on the choices that he made,
the devastating choices. You laid out every all the downstream
impact of his choices. He had people's livelihoods at stake,
his own livelihood, his family, and his kids. I just
don't know if I could give him any latitude here.
(10:38):
When you say that men make men do stupid things,
I mean there's degrees of that. Just just just on Monday,
you said that one of the reasons you didn't think
Pete Carroll had it in him to cover that spread
for a gambling is because he knows that he would
have lost his career if he was caught, which implies
(11:00):
that you have an agency in circumstances. Cheron more knew
the consequences of this and he chose to do it.
And also, surrounding yourself with women implies that we're all
just Neanderthals that aren't mature enough to make decisions around women.
And I think that's false.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Uh Okay again, this is why it's a really good topic.
This is why we talked about it in a radio
and you know it's the it's it's no different from
in my mind, and I actually have less empathy for
people who are drunk drivers. For people who are drunk
(11:44):
drivers less because you talked about downstream effects. Right, you're
affecting other people, but you can kill other people and
you're basically in a loaded weapon in a car. Right.
But as I say, how many people, again, there's a
we consider here and go like, well, I would never
cheat on my wife, especially with somebody who works in
(12:06):
my office. I understand most people would not. I hopefully
would not, But there's a percentage of people that would
say I will never get behind the wheel of a
car drinking, and then they do, right, and that has
longer lasting, more drastic effects if anything goes wrong. So again,
(12:27):
this is not me in any way saying hey man,
I get it, Jesus cutie, right, got it? Like, no,
it's not that, it's the well that was fucking dumb. God,
that was dumb. And you know, especially when you're the
head coach, when it's Michigan, she works for you, Like
(12:48):
what the fuck or how did no one say? Like coach,
this is a bad idea, bad idea, bad idea. I
don't know, but what I do know is, holy shit,
he lost his whole life yesterday, his whole life, and
just again. In the family dynamic and in the head
(13:11):
coaching dynamic, I can on many levels like I know
what it's like to, you know, do something dumb and
affect other people and not have thought of it in
the moment.
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There's really one topic today, but many different sorts of
ways to take it. It's all about Sharon Moore's ouster
at Michigan. Here's Brady Quinn Domer talking about the situation
(13:55):
at Michigan.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
College football is a world where it's a crazy space
because you have these really really rich, wealthy donors who
have such a strong, powerful position behind the scenes that
are these puppet masters at least at their schools, where
if they want something done, they have their ways of
(14:18):
getting them done. And oftentimes when you pay a coach
and you're a part of that and then you have
a falling out or you don't want the coach to
be there anymore. What they typically do is they try
to use a cause in some fashion or form to
get out of having to pay that coach. In this case,
what I had heard was that there was an investigation
(14:40):
going on about an appropriate relationship with a staffer, and
I kind of thought to myself at that time, given
the timing of what was happening in football, and then
looking at this, was all right, how much of this
is legitimate? How much of this has to do with
where they are on the field. The question kind of
came about where's this program going? Is shrow More the
(15:00):
right guy for it? And all you needed was a
little extra motivation to be able to say, yeah, let's
move on. And obviously the what's being reported is terrible
what he's been alleged of doing. But I also wonder
when you look at just the investigation in the first place,
you know how all this stuff comes about, because that's
(15:22):
typically what happens.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Now.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
A lot of these schools, they look for, they look
at the coach. If he's not doing a good job,
they do everything they can to try to find a
way of firing with costs and they don't have to
pay him.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
I completely agree with Brady's premise, but I also will
tell you that the part that makes it so that
he was going to be fired regardless was that she
was on staff. Right, that's this is Bobby Petrino. This
is the same thing. Right, You're not supposed to have
an affair when you're married, but it does, in fact happen.
(15:56):
It does, and I read something where like over seventy
percent of affairs happened in the workplace. Whatever. But it's
it's one thing to have it inappropriate relationship. It's another
thing to have an inappropriate relationship with someone who works.
(16:16):
Sorry for the term pause under you, Right, it just does.
So Brady's right. They if they want to fire you,
they're going to find a way to not pay you.
They'll they'll find a reason. But a Sharon Moore gave
him far too easy a reason. Here's Dan Patrick talking
about possible replacements at Michigan.
Speaker 6 (16:38):
The coaching carousel stopped. Everybody got their long term deals
or they went and took other jobs. Now you got
to have a coach, and you got to get one quickly.
If this is three weeks ago, does Matt Campbell go
to Penn State. Now you're going to look at other guys.
They're going to go after Kaitlin de Boor, they're going
to go after Vanderbilt's Clark Lee. They're going to go
(16:59):
after to Kenny Dialingham at Arizona State. Nobody thought Michigan
was gonna be open. So this is a mess. This
is a mess on all fronts with Michigan. I'm gonna
throw out a wild card name and I have no
information on this, But if I need a coach right now,
proven coach right now, has no ties to anything right now,
(17:24):
I go after Brian Kelly. He knows the landscape, no ties,
got the money coming from LSU, but he.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Would go in.
Speaker 6 (17:32):
You could go right in right away. But the other ones,
you know, that's kind of a tangled web of trying
to get these coaches. Can you get somebody right now?
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Yeah? You can. You can get somebody right now. You
just have to, you know, figure out who you wanted
to be and how you wanted to build it. My
personal suggestion why Brian Kelly makes sense is he can
he can hit the portal and know exactly who he wants.
They were playing and get LSU right, they had all
the plans. He can bring in, the coaches, he can
(18:03):
bring in the players, because you're going to have a
mostly new team whomever gets this job. Remember, once you
players can go in the portal anyway, but they have
until thirty days after a coach is hired, now changed
from when they're fired, but until they hired to decide
whether or not they want to be in the portal,
and generally everybody leaves. That's how it works. So the idea,
(18:26):
like the John Gruden idea, sounds like a great idea,
but it only works if he brings in a staff
full of guys that have been in college, that know
what they want, who they want, and understand that they're
going to have. It's going to be a rough first
year because you're going to have a whole new team,
a whole new staff, and he's got to figure out
the college landscape. But Brian Kelly's not a bad name
in any way. I think if there's a way to
(18:49):
look at other coaches in the Big twelve that may
have hit a ceilium that really that's the Matt Campbell
hire at Penn State. Right, We're like, ah, kind of
hit a there. You know, there's there are other options
that do work. But I think that in an effort
to stabilize a program, because otherwise you're going to get pummeled,
(19:13):
you have to hire somebody that has a team staff
to come over, as opposed to hiring somebody who comes
from the NFL, for example, or from not coaching. That's
what my personal perspective. Here's Colin Cowherd talking about the
decision to promote your own more to begin with.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
It's not every job, but certain jobs in America you
need an elevated sense of character, both personally and professionally.
You know, school president, you hope, the church, college campus jobs.
There are certain jobs where you have to have a
seriousness about you, in a maturity about you so you
(19:49):
can meet the job. You can meet the program, you
can meet the standard. Michigan football is not only a
college football job, it's one of America's great public institutions.
When I was a kid growing up, to me, Michigan football,
it's his way, pre Brady, I thought it was the
best program in America. Like the fight song, the crowd,
the games, and Michigan football to me as a kid,
(20:12):
even through college, like that was the job, a great university,
wonderful fans, and Sharon Moore to me, I'll be honest
with you, he always felt like an interim coach. I
just didn't think he was that good of a coach,
right Like, even at his opening presser he kind of
used a hardball quote. He didn't have his own identity. Again,
(20:36):
I didn't think he was that great of a coach,
but he was close to Jim Harball. And my rule
has never changed in thirty years in this business. I
have a rule in sports and in any business, the
greater the employee you're asked to replace Jim Harball, the
(20:56):
wider the search has to be. You can't just hand
it to a staffer if you're trying to replace Jim Harball.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
I genuinely generally agree. Okay. The problem is that, first
of all, Michigan had storied success when coach Fisher, Steve
Fisher took over with basketball, right he was an assistant coach,
he was a Michigan man, and he took over the job.
(21:27):
Michigan State in basketball had Tom Izzo as the heir
apparent to the great jud Heathcote, So there is precedents
there in college football coach. Odo took over one at USC.
They probably should have given him the job when he
took over as an interim. Then he did. So he
(21:48):
got the job at LSU when Les Miles left right,
and he took them to greater heights. And he had
failed as a head coach previously at Ole Miss. There's
certain guys that fit certain jobs for a certain amount
of time, So Colin's not wrong. But I think what
was done by Michigan, and again this is a congruent take.
(22:10):
It's the idea of you're gonna lose your defensive coordinator,
You're gonna lose your head coach. They had a senior laden,
draft heavy team and the only way to keep the
train going down the tracks and keep the organization was
to keep Sharon Moore and most of the other staffers there.
That's the reality to it. So you know, and you
(22:32):
win eight and nine games, and I get it, it
does feel like failure, and we had talked about it,
but I don't think that two years, especially when you
start a freshman quarterback, I don't think two years is
enough time. I just do not. I don't believe that.
It's not like the bottom fell out It's not like
they were an embarrassment. It's you know, what he was
left with was he had to he had to figure
(22:55):
out the top half of his roster because the top
half had all left for the NFL Draft. Listen, everybody
has their own philosophy in hiring. There are no there
are no guarantees whomever you hire. A college football is
the perfect example of that, right Brian Kelly, for example,
was that a good hire by LSU Like I actually
(23:16):
thought it was. And you know, two years ago they
finished as like the hottest team of the country, Jane
Daniels wins the Heisman Trophy, and they couldn't get over
the hump the past two years and they fired him.
They fired him. You know that does happen. There are
hires that we don't love that are awesome, that work
out really, really well. Even Ryan Day taking over. Ryan
(23:38):
Day was the air parent there. So again, you don't
like a staffer taking over. Ohio State has been the
best football program in the past two years in the country,
and Ryan Day was an assistant who took over an
urban myra retire like, so again, what don't you like
about it? You don't like Jeron Moore because you didn't
(23:58):
think he was a great interview. His impassioned interview after
Harball left was incredible, or when he was suspended was incredible.
So you know, I'm not gonna be critical of the hire.
I can only judge you based up on what you do,
and I understand why it made sense. That's what the
Fox says say.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
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Speaker 2 (24:27):
Let's find out what's annoying Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
Hey, Doug, The knives are out for Jalen Hurts this week, Right,
knives are out head coaches asking about replacing him at Starter.
You got the feeling that the entire aj Brown drama
this season was about one guy, Jalen Hurts. That's my
theory and I'm gonna stick to it, and I'm gonna
say this too.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
Jalen asked yesterday about all the adversity, and he answered
it this.
Speaker 7 (25:03):
Way, success or greatness, those things aren't in near. You
have your you have your downs with about how you
respond to it. And I think about think about that.
I mean, it's it's nothing new that I haven't faced before.
It's a matter of responding to it. And I got
a lot of confidence how we respond I got a
lot of confidence how we go.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
You yourself have compared it to kind of Russell Wilson. I
have no idea how he's regarded within the Walker room.
I have no idea. I know Russell Wilson is extremely fake, disingenuous,
and it's obvious. I don't know Jalen hurts that way
and he doesn't come off that way. But I will
say this about him, that this cool temperament, this nothing
(25:46):
affects me, nothing bothers me, looks really good when you're winning.
It looks great when you're winning a super Bowl. That
guy was unfettered. Highs and lows. You can never tell
he was the exact same. But when you're going one
through the shit and you have a fan base that
is that passionate, made up of that many imbeciles, and
(26:07):
a local media that is that vitriolic, I think you
have to show emotion. You have to or else you're
going to be digging yourself a deeper hole. Like in
this answer, I wanted to hear more passion. I didn't
want to hear that I've been through this, we'll get
through it.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Talk.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
I think it's going to end up, I guess you
would say expediating his exit from Philly.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
This temperament, it's a really it's a very interesting topic.
Let me expound. The first thing is one of the
reasons I didn't like the idea of Jalen Hurts in
the pros when he was drafted was I went to Oklahoma,
Oklahoma State OS you beat them in bedlam, and I
was on the field before the game and I was
(26:55):
talking to I remember who was there was a couple
of scouts, and I was with somebody who's broadcast in
the game. And again people can look it up if
they'd like to. And what everyone said was what I
had heard in college football circles, which is the Jalen
Hurts if you remember in college, he'd post that he
was like working out after games, like squatting some he's
(27:17):
a big squat you know, deadlift guy whatever, and he
would post those videos after the game or somebody who
did his social was and their their take was that
they didn't those guys didn't love Jalen like it wasn't
because remember they had you know, they they also had
Baker Mayfield at one point, right, you got all these
other quarterbacks. Kyler was a good personality, but Baker was
(27:41):
the guy they loved. Jalen was a guy they're like,
it feels forced. There's some Russell Wilson there in terms
of the image is a little bit concocted. Now, I
generally agree with you in that you kind of have
to have personality that meets that meets the personality of
(28:03):
the fans. It's like, one of the reasons his head
coach works in Philly is despite the fact he's kind
of bombastic, he says some wild things. He's making faces
like that that feeds Philadelphia. Right now, you have a
quarterback who's kind of too cool for school. Remember the
themo on. Jalen was not a bad guy, But Jalen's
about Jalen and about how Jalen presents himself, not about
(28:27):
one of just being one of the dudes, right, just
being one of the guys. It's kind of what you
have to be. So he does have a certain kind
of regalness with how he carries himself. But a lot
of people think like that's Jalen about Jalen and not
Jalen being about us. I can't come. I don't know.
I don't work with them on a daily basis. And
I'm telling you that again, that's more dated analysis from
a couple of years ago when he was first coming
(28:48):
out and first in the league. But the last part
to it is, and here's where I'll agree with you
or I'll disagree with you and agree with you at
the same time. I agree that Philly needs something of
the Hey, I hear you, Philly Philadelphia fans, like we
won you Super Bowl. We've been to another one. We're
gonna fix it. We're gonna get it right right, instead
of the eh, not too high, not too low. I've
(29:10):
been through this before, will be fine, right, So I do.
But the part I disagree with you is you can't
when you're thirty years old, can't change who you are now.
That may, like you said, ultimately lead to his ouster
being expedited. But you can't make a guy who's not
a raw, raw guy a raw rack guy. And he
can't make a guy who's emotional unemotional, because then you're
(29:35):
not your truest self, you're not your best self. So
you're right, But I also think that asking Jalen hurts
to be something that he's not. I think that's a
that's a what is it? A faded company? Faded company fit?
A flaw? What else is it? What else annoying you?
Speaker 4 (29:52):
So I'm going to go from somebody who who is
complicated to someone who isn't at all. Now, Newton, his
post playing career has been interesting, bordering on ridiculous. I
think the brand that he's that he's forming as a
podcaster analyst is clownish. I don't think the hat helps.
(30:16):
If I was a brand manager, I would say lose
the fucking hat and stop with like the clownish behavior,
because if you want us to take you seriously, then
then we don't know if you're being serious or not.
This is a great example. I know you're gonna love
this one, right. Philip Rivers comes out at forty four.
He signs with the Colts. Of course, Cam Newton's got
(30:37):
an opinion on this. Everyone knew that. Now I will
say this too. Whoever he pays to do the promos
for his podcast, he needs to fire. His promos are
almost as unintelligible as Cam Newton, so I had to
do some editing. Bear with me, listener, This is the
gist of what Cam Newton. His big reaction to the
(30:58):
Philip Rivers signing this week.
Speaker 8 (31:00):
Andy, if they call yeah yeah this, I was like
a slap in my face. All the things that you're
doing in media. Do you come off like you're available.
He's retired. You ain't even retired.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
I did not and will not because of an opportunity
like that. Als always in a system. But still like,
I don't give a damn if he was in a family.
He's forty four years old. Bro.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
The whole Cam Newton is to a standard that you're not.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Holding everybody else. But I know when it.
Speaker 8 (31:30):
Comes with me the personality, Bro, Folks don't want to
should a situation.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
They don't want to they don't want a circus. That's
that's after being edited.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
After being edited, Yeah, I'll send you the actual promo.
Speaker 6 (31:44):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
I actually like the actual promo to run back to back,
so then then then people can can feel it. But
that's okay. I just he doesn't have any friends. That's
that's the problem with Cam Newton, because if he had
a friend, he would go him. Is it about the
circus a little bit. Is it about the fact that
(32:06):
it's always about you a little bit? Do you know
what it's really about? You can't throw a fucking football anymore.
You can't throw a fucking football anymore. Let me repeat,
you can't throw a fucking football anymore. You hurt your
shoulder in Carolina. You couldn't throw a football ever since
you're throwing motion change. You couldn't throw a fucking football.
(32:30):
That's really it. Yeah. Is he a huge personality? Yeah,
but he doesn't fucking get it. It has zero I
don't think it has anything to do because it doesn't
even get to that point. It's not like, well he
can because I'll give you the guy who had a
very very uh terse personality for some people, came back
(32:57):
late in his career and played a couple of years.
That was Jeff George. Now I will grant you he
only played till he was thirty four years old. But
Jeff George came back into the league after being out
of the league and did so. You're like, man, Jeff George,
remember you won eight games in Minnesota in nineteen nine nine.
People forget all that right. Then he played in Washington
(33:19):
with then Redskins for two separate years. And the only
reason Jeff George played is he can throw a fucking
football like you've never fucking seen before. That's all that
it's about. And yeah, he's in the system. He's a
fucking savant with the system, and he's what's available. So Cam, dude,
you have to know better than that. And I said
(33:40):
this before, and I mean it the easiest way for
you to know that Cam Newton has no friends, has
no supporters. In the NFL, he played for Ron Rivera
with the Carolina Panthers.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
He was the.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
MVP of the league with Ron Rivera and the Carolina Panthers.
Ron Rivera got fired by the Carolina Panthers. He went
to the Washington at the time, they were the football
team now than the Commanders. He was a coach there.
They brought in two quarterbacks. They brought in a veteran
quarterback and a younger quarterback. You know who they didn't
bring in. They didn't bring in Cam Newton. If the
(34:22):
guy who you took his team to the Super Bowl
sees you on the street essentially for free, and you're
the former MVP you're playing for him, wouldn't you think
Shane Steichen was. Shane Steikeen was offensive coordinaated for half
the season with the LA Chargers, right. He was quarterback
coached before that, and when he had to find a
(34:43):
quarterback the guy he reached out he was like, fuck,
I gotta get Philip Rivers. That's the only guy who
knows my system that can do it. That's my guy
for I don't care if he's forty four, if he's
eighty four, fuck that. He knows more than anybody else.
I don't know if he can play, but if he
can throw football, we might have to throw him out there.
That's what you would think Ron Rivera would do. Do
you know what he didn't do. He never called Cam Newton.
You know why, because Cam Newton's a pain in the ass.
(35:06):
He was never terribly accurate. There is a circus, but
more than anything, you can't throw a fucking football anymore.
I actually like the hat for podcasts because it gives
the podcasting world sort of a bad name, because it
feels like you have to have some sort of clownish
look in order to get established. But the other thing is,
(35:27):
I'm guessing Cam Newton because he basically he basically made
ESPN into being racist for not having him on first take.
Now he's on first take, he'll probably use the same
card to get a look in the NFL, and maybe
that maybe that works.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
I was just gonna say this promo. Maybe he says
it on the podcast. The promo comes just short of saying,
a forty four year old white guy got a job,
and sure, no.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Question, just short, no question. That's the next card.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
So so this takes a little setup here the I
guess the subject of my I are here. The annoying
part is Generation Alpha. Generation A was born in twenty ten,
so if you if you were born in two thousand.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
I had no idea this, I had no idea. I
guess it's after gen Z. I got it.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
Jen A is after gen Z got it. And this
includes Alpha and Z. In and Out has chosen to
remove sixty seven and seventy six or sixty seven as
an order number because it has become a fucking circus
whenever six' seven is mentioned as in and out. Seven
(36:37):
so they put on TikTok And. Instagram all the kids do.
It and here's the problem for people that don't know,
business Especially Jen. ALPHA i don't even think you should know.
Business in And out's only priority as a company is
to make as much money as possible in the hours
they are open every. Day that's the only thing they care.
(36:58):
About the certainly don't fucking care about your. Fun so
for the Generation alpha AND z that have complained that
in And out is no fun anymore and that they're
going to stop eating, hamburgers first of, all good luck
not eating some of the best hamburgers in the country.
Ever and, secondly they don't owe you. Fun they. Don't
(37:19):
they don't. Want this is what the problem. Was they
would do this six seven and people would get their cameras,
out and, employees the person grilling the hamburgers and making
the fries and at the uh at the window would
all like be doing this fucking uh circus thing they
were their employees were being distracted and it looked. Unprofessional
(37:41):
And in And out doesn't care about your. Fun so
when you say in And out is no, fun you're
telling me you know nothing about, business and they don't
want a. DISTRACTION i just just a few weeks, AGO i, Said,
doug you are a parent of GEN. Z i am
somebody else was on the podcast that day that's a.
(38:01):
PARENT i forget who it. Is but, ANYWAYS i asked
you to explain what gen z what six seven, means
and you. COULDN'T i can't explain. It most people. CAN'T
i don't even think that people in these ridiculous videos
could explain. It it's gonna be one of those things
in ten to twenty, years we're gonna look back and be,
LIKE i have no idea what that, was but it
was fucking. Stupid and so, anyways if you, are if
(38:24):
you are a part of the boycott on in and
out because they remove sixty seven as a as an order,
number you're a.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Loser stop. It do they still have six?
Speaker 4 (38:32):
Nine i'm guessing they still have six y.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Nine, yeah it's crazy that sixty seven is, gone but
sixty sixty? Nine, um, yeah it's pretty, annoying is that?
It do you have anything else that's? Knowing, no that's.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
It Cam, Newton Jalen hurts And Jen.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Alpha as much As i'd love to stomp On Jen,
ALPHA i do believe in the. Children the children are
if you keep him young and let them lead the
way something like, That i'm gonna go With Cam newton all,
right Because Cam, newton not having any sense of, self
not understanding that it was a miracle they could win
(39:16):
games with him at quarterback With Bill belichick as head
coach Replacing Tom. BRADY i don't know what to do with,
Him Cam. Newton the fact that you didn't know that
it's over and why it's actually over as.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Annoy why are we doing? THIS i do.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Because we. Can what do you got from?
Speaker 4 (39:42):
Me Jay. Stoop Travis kelcey tried to sum up why
he's struggling this year on his Podcasts into The. Heights
what is? It New, Heights New Heights, Podcast New, Heights Withering.
HEIGHTS i think It's Withering.
Speaker 9 (39:53):
Heights, yeah it's it's been a tough fucking go around
the past two.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Days, yeah it's just he put.
Speaker 9 (40:00):
In all this fucking work and hopes that it pays,
off and right now it's just for whatever fucking. Reason,
man it's little. Things IT'S i don't, know. DISCIPLINE i
feel Like i've always had the answers in years, past
and this year it's JUST i just can't find. Them
AND i keep, thinking IF i show up to work
AND i put in the work AND i fix the
issues through my, practice, habits and through through perfecting the
(40:27):
game plan and my fundamentals and What i'm being, taught
and go out there and try and play my ass
off for my guys next to. Me it's all gonna
come together like it has in years, past and this
year is just not.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Man, yeah that's called getting. Old that's what. Happens you,
do you get, Old and it really is amazing on
how long most tight ends are able to play when
their speed. Goes but what happens, is you know his
timing is just a hair. Off you, know he's a
step slow And mahomes is looking for him to be
(40:59):
a step. Quicker that's a heart adjustment and you can
hide it if the talent around you is so good
that you can just find your. Niche but when you
have to be the guy week by week by, WEEK
i JUST i think you're asking too. Much why can
we play it for? You because we. Can that's it
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