NBA Off Season Is More Interesting Than The Postseason

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NBA Draft which is Thursday night. And Thursday night, we're
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Radio on the I Heart app. What a night? What
a night? No, I'm not talking about a Dodger. You
couldn't pick out of a line up hitting his twenty
second home run of the year. I'm not thinking about

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anything baseball, nothing, football. The basketball offseason has lasted all
of what a week, and it's already more interesting than
the basketball playoffs, and by the way, frankly more interesting
than the baseball off season. Like baseball Hot Stove League
used to be incredibly important and intriguing, and it just

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wasn't really this year, right, wasn't. Oh, we have some
good stuff leaked out? Paul George wanted to be dealt.
Now the Lakers and Pacers are already talking trade, right,
so Paul George probably headed to the Lakers, forcing his
way to Lakers. And the only question is what could
the Pacers possibly want outside of that number two overall pick,

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which the Lakers aren't gonna part with in order to
land them Paul George, an asset which is depreciating by
the day. But the big news is what happened in Cleveland.
Cleveland has been to three straight NBA finals. David Griffin
is in fact their general manager, or was up until
last night when they parted company. They were in a
contract dispute, to which my thought yesterday at this very

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same time was being Paul George deal done to get
the Jimmy Butler deal done, then you can't fire him. Oops.
Lebron James tweets out how much he even if no
one else did, he really respected David Griffin, which leads
everybody to think Lebron's the good guy ownership the bad guy.

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Lebron said, I didn't want him gone. But is that
what Lebron said? Or did Lebrons say even if no
one else appreciated you? I did? Did David Griffin bringing
Lebron James? No? Did David Griffin bring in Tristan Thompson? No?
Did get David Griffin bringing Kyrie Irving? No, Kevin Love.

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Deal was kind of already pre arranged. And so while
David Griffin is in fact a good guy and it
is in fact a difficult job, it wasn't as if
David Griffin was killing it. Now some of it is
bad luck. He made the cow Corver move, which all
of us are like, well, that's the hell of a move, right,

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I mean, arguably the best pure shooter in the league.
You can make the argument I'm not talking about player
who's the shooter. It's like Clay Thompson's a better basketball
player and a really good shooter. But if just if
you line guys, that'd be like, who's the best guy
at making a three? Kyle Corver's in every discussion. You
need a shooter, Yeed that kind of puzzle piece you

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bring him in. But what a great move Kyle Corvern
and Pia drop in the NBA Finals and this is
what happens. Guy makes Scotts, You're a hero guy, miss
shots who went out and got that guy right? Some
of it is whether he felt compelled to, whether he

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was pushed to Lebron's guys or his agents. Guys all
got taken care of. Tristan Thompson, huge deal, j R. Smith,
huge deal, Kevin Love Max Steel. And even if those
numbers now look more reasonable in comparison to the current
day contracts, at the time in which the in the

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context of the time in which they are signed, they
were not great deals. Lebron called him out mid season
talking about the roster, and while he may have been
mentioning to the ownership group, hey, you need to spend
more money, they spent more money than anybody in the NBA.
Did they send spend smartly. So I don't want to

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canonize David Griffin as if he's some heroic figure who
lost his job tragically last night. He did a nice job,
but he kind of arrived at a team that had Lebron,
Kyrie Tristan and the Kevin Love deal, like that was
all done. What all did he do? And while Lebron
James wants to act like he's the good guy in

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this whole thing, right, if if Lebron James wanted David
Griffin to be the general manager, David Griffin would be
the general manager. That that's the way it works. He
didn't have to have said he doesn't have to have
fired him. He doesn't have to have said picked up
the phone and said fire that guy, right effing now
like that. No, they didn't have to happen. But if
arguably the best player in the world and probably the

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second best basketball player, third best basket player I've seen
in my lifetime, says David Rivers, my gentleman, he does
the remember Jimmy Chitwood from Hoosiers. You guys, remember Jimmy
Chitwood Fromhoshers. You know they're gonna fire the coach and
then the Gene Hackman's the coach, and everybody votes and

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the coaches fired, and Immy walks in hold my basketball,
stands up there, think like lingus thom must start playing
some ball. Everybody goes crazy. He says it was one
more thing. Coach goes, I go coach days. I stay right,
like you didn't even have to do that. If he
did that, I mean, David Griffin would still be the

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general manager and lo and behold like Chauncey Billips is
probably going to be the new guy who's never been
a general manager, never worked in the front office. But
of course Mr big shot fifteen years in the NBA
covering the NBA this year, smart, savvy, well respected, be fine.
And so while people are freaking out Lebron is leaving,

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Lebron is gone. He's mad, No, he's not. This is
what happens with Lebron when when he loses, it's always
somebody else's fault. Right, Kevin Love wasn't good enough, right,
Remember when they lost in Miami the first time it

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was his fault. But after that Dwyane Wade's knee, Chris
Bosh too soft, just not good enough for written, just
that good enough supporting cast. That's what happened the first
year when they lost and and and in fact it
was accurate. Kyrie got hurt, Kevin Love got hurt. They
lost to the Warriors in six, same thing this year.
Kevin Loves not good enough around and Peace I could enough.

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Kyle Corford can make shots. Gentle manager has got to go.
So the Lebron soap opera continues, and he keeps his
hands clean of everything. And it's interesting because Lebron's favorite
movie is in fact The Godfather, And much like the
head of a mob organization that you can't there's too

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many different layers to get to in order to pin
it on Vito Corleone. But what a fascinating, fascinating night
in the NBA, Like they just reached the finals three
straight years. You're like, all right, what are they gonna next?
Fire the general manager? Wait wait, and there's talk of

(08:10):
trading Carrie Irving. You're like, wait, wait, is the lake
on fire now figuratively as opposed to literally like it
was five years ago. There's a historic note. There was
a time in which Lake Erie, which Cleveland resides upon,
was so polluted that it acts the lake actually caught
on fire. That actually happened in our lifetime. That was

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literally now figuratively, and the idea of Chauncey Billips, which
is people sit there and go like, well what that
that couldn't work. That couldn't happen. Okay, Tyrone Loeu had
barely been an assistant coach and in mid season they
changed and that worked. So why wohin this work? Griffin

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had been a general manager before, But when you haven't
been a player, you don't have the fee all of
a player. You don't have the relationships of a player.
And the only question for Billips would be would he
be able to are willing to have those hard conversations,
not just cutting dudes, but telling Tristan Thompson, you may
be worth this, but we gotta we mean, maybe we're X.

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We want gotta pay you why so that we can
go out and get other guys who are worth X.
But it is fascinating to watch teams, especially the Calves,
try and keep up with the Joneses, trying to stay
one step ahead of it. But all this talk that
Lebron is headed to l A. He may well head
to Los Angeles. He might got a house here. There's

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the Lakers, there's the Clippers. There's the idea of raising
your kids here. He might it could happen, but but
knowing that it's going to happen a year before it happens,
when they haven't hired replacement GM just because of one
tweet to which Lebron wasn't brought in. They didn't ask
him if he wanted David Griffin fired. If he didn't

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want David Griffin fired, David Griffin would be the general
manager of the Cleveland Cavaliers period. End of story. We'll
get into the NBA Draft up coming next. I've been
told Lonzo Balls going to the Lakers, and now that
I think that's a good decision, I think I take

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him ahead of anybody else in the NBA draft. Now
it's too it's like, oh, it was a big thing
as number two pick, as it was number one pick.
But there's the tangibles versus intangibles. How much credit should
one player get for his team winning? How much We'll

(10:42):
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my thoughts on Lonzo Ball. Every year, there's gonna be

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a player that comes out that can score, you make
plays every year. And so I'm not saying that Marquel
Folts isn't a better offensive basketball player than Lonzo Ball is.
I'm not not disputing that I said that all year
that the skill and talents overall of Marquelle Folts are

(12:52):
better than a Lonzo Ball. But there are certain talents,
certain things that you can do um that h that
to me elevate you far beyond that of of overall talents,

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right and especially because they are rare commodities rare, Like
in my business. If you're a jack of all trades,
that's great. That's great. If you have a field of
expertise that is more important than somebody else's field of expertise,

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or if there's one thing that you do better that
others cannot do all that often, like, look, there's a
lot of guys who can get up and host a show,
especially when it's on teleprompter, right, it takes a a
good amount of diction, you know, to the proper diction
good presentation, you gotta have just kind of the right look.

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Reading prompter is not crazy hard. A lot of it's
about experience and confidence and then kind of the show
in which you're presenting. But people's ability to add lib,
think on the fly, right, be creative, interact with others,
all of these kind of inner workings of media, TV

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or radio. That's kind of what separates people. That's what
separates people. I mean, there are a lot of guys
that could host a late night talk show, a lot
of comedians who could get up and do you know
ten minutes of stand up when it's written by talented writers.

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But how do you interact with the guests? You got
a card in front of you, read the questions, They've
already been pre interviewed. It's kind of a setup and
all that stuff is set up, But can you listen
to them react and double back on a question that
you hadn't previously planned on the That's what separates people.
It just is just does in um. In basketball, I

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think that players are more skilled now and they've ever
been as shooters now. Paul Millsap has made himself into
a weapon from three point range. Big guys as they
spend time in the NBA become better and better three
point shooters. I think footwork is pretty good. I think
ball handling in terms of playing off a pick and
roll is excellent. And even if passing overall is as

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good or better, because the defense is better and so
the passing across, even if that is better, making people
better is something that just so few people can do.
It's hard in my business, it's hard in any business.
Can you make people around you better? And so will?
I think markul Folts is a better score, a better shooter,

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A are athletes than Alonzo Ball. Does he make everybody
around him better? And the answers to this point, I
don't think so, or not at least to the level
that Ball does. And it's hard because we're taught that
these tangibles, shooting, athleticism, length, finishing it through like these
are all super super important. But sports is much about intangibles.

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As tangibles and a match stars make others around them better,
and so I I would take Lonzo first, and I
think it's the right pick even for the Lakers at two,
if he's still there, which is going to be still
be there. Let's welcome to Steve Lavin, former u c
l A head coach of course, former head coach of St. John's,
as well Fox Sports college basketball analysts. So I've I've done.

(16:46):
I think we did five NBA drafts together, uh lave um.
If you were taking number one overall, regardless of team,
let's just say you have to pick a player in
this draft, who is it? I'd go with Josh Jackson
m Y. I like the versatility. But again, if it's

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based on a team and their roster and personnel that
needs a quarterback or an orchestrator, a pass first point guard,
then you go with Lonzo Ball. If it's a team
it's solid at the point and it's looking for a
perimeter punch, scoring and playmaking from the two guard spots

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with someone that can slide over and play some out top,
then Marquel Bolton is very attractive. But if it doesn't
come down to the needs of a point guard or
scoring on the perimeter, and you're just looking for a
player best available. Josh Jackson intrigues me. Now I've heard

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he's struggling some workouts. I've heard there's some questions about
the consistency on the shot, So I think you have
to factor that in again. And that's really what the
draft is about, is trying to elevate or improve your team.
Rarely does a player like Shaquille, Tim Duncan, Bill Russell, Elijahwan,
those players come along so oft in terms of front

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line players. But it's about finding the right piece or
fit the need that a particular team has and also
a complementary piece to those other players. And so so
much of it's going to come down to what are
these particular teams that are drafting at the top need
and then looking at this particular draft the pool of

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players that are available, because that also dictates the degree
who you take. Steve Lavin Fox Sports college basketball analysts
joining us Doug Gottliev show Fox Sports radio coach also
works for the Pac twelve network. Why couldn't Marquel Fulls
Elevators team? Well, I think number one was. No one
anticipated that John Day Murray and Marquis Chris would go

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out after their first year So if those two players
return and Washington's probably looking at thirty wins, competing for
the Pack twelve championship and making a run in the
n C Double A tournament. But because of the loss
of Murray and Chris, what was left behind was the

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situation that the young fellow wasn't prepared for. And no doubt,
you know, that's a factor, and I'm sure people are
looking at that and scrutinizing the fact that he wasn't
able to get Washington into the nt double A tournament.
That a franchise changing players. If you look through the
history of the game, right Bird, Magic, Isaiah Thomas, adjacent

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Kidd at Cal, those were players that came in and
transformed or at least elevated those programs and made runs
in the n C Double A tournament. Magic case they
wanted and the Bird's case they're runner up. Isaiah obviously
won a national title. Jason Kidd took Cal to Sweet
sixtem knocked off two time defending national champion Duke at

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that point, So that I think is a factor that
I'm sure people look at. But also in fairness to him,
when he played with USA Basketball, they won a gold medal,
and he clearly has had success UH in the years
leading up to this freshman year at Washington, but his numbers,
his talent clearly there and with the rights around he

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cast and a good fit someone that can elevate an
NBA team UM obviously not just coaching U c l A,
covering u c l A, understanding Los Angeles, but understanding
the point card position. When if I was to say
Lonzo ball is the closest thing to Jason kidds since
Jason kidd is that is that the wrong comparison? How

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do you feel about the comparison? Where I do think
they're similar is they're brilliant in terms of passing the ball,
the precision UH and the purpose that they play the
game with in terms of a functional or purposeful use

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of the dribble, of the bounce, the economy of the bounce,
because so often point guards will take that one extra dribble,
massage the ball and then not hit an open man,
or by the time they hit the open man, the
defenders closed out. But like great quarterbacks point guards, you
don't have to give it to you. You know where

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you want it, where you're going to be successful and
to put it there on time in terms of phishing offense,
and so I think kids and ball are similar in
terms of the surgical or precision passing on the floor
and their intuitive, uh you know, feel for the game
is exceptional. Jason Kidd was physically more stout, and he

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could impose his will on the game defensively with his
physicality and then offensively. I think he was Taylor made
in terms of the next level for the wear and
tear of you know, a two plus games if you're
in the in the playoffs and you count the exhibition.
He just he was a physical specimen. He was a

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man playing with boys in college. I was almost a
varsity verse Fossoffer JV situation when he was a cow
going up against the rest of the pack twelve and
obviously went on to a Hall of Fame career. But
with lingo ball, my concern, you know, when you compare
him to the kid, is that he doesn't have the
physical stout strength. Jason Kidd almost was a football player

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in high tops, like a great running back, but out
on the floor with handles of skills um obviously covering
the PacTel Steve laven Packtell Network Fox Sports also cover
the n c A Tournament four for CBS Sports, JOININGU STUG,
Gtlip Show, Fox Sports Radio. UM Lowry Marketing is somebody who,
apparently Phil Jackson loves, everyone wants to call him. You know,
the kristofs perzingis light. He struggled kind of towards the

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stretch run there in the back twelve, and you were
covering the league. What's your assessment of Marketing and what
we can expect from him during his rookie contract. I'm
a big fan of market and my only concern. We
can talk about his strength because I think they're pretty obvious.
My one concern would be his lateral foot speed and defending,

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you know, on the perimeter against quicker players, more athletic players,
and managing you know, uh, pick and roll, picking pop
situations in various ways in the NBA that they defend, uh,
you know, ball screens. Uh. And so that ladder of footspeed,
even his foot speed north south from rim to rim,
got exposed at times against teams like Oregon and really,

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you know, Arizona's ladder let's be along the front line.
All their front line players really struggled in that aspect,
and it did catch up to them even if they
lost against Savior. But what I do like is for
a player his size, the ability to shoot the ball,
to pass the ball, to see over the top, good instincts.
You can slide him inside where you can take smaller players,

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you know, into the basket area. You can step away
with comfort and a tremendous feel for the game offensively, Uh,
there's an ease or fluidity that he plays the game with.
And I think Jill continue to get better. So I
would expect him, you know, to be a solid ten
twelve year pro who's capable to double doubles and putting
up good numbers and a really good complimentary piece if

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he's right, if he's with the right uh, you know,
team and the rights surrounding group of players. Um, but
there is some concern with his foot speed both rim
to rim and latterly from sideline sideline terms of picking
up the feed the only defend on the perimeter. Let
me ask you about a couple of super young players
that know you've seen Zach Collins Gonzaga. Of course, his

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stock just skyrocketed up because of their play in the
n c A tournament, and then just pattent from Craighton
working for Fox Sports covering the Big East. If you
had to bet your sizeable salary which allows you to
travel the world and send out incredible instagrams from all
of the all over the globe, Steve Lavin, who who's
more likely to be the better pro Justin Patton or

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or z That Collins. I go with Pattent at this point,
although I can't go wrong with either, but the fact
Patton picked up the game later in his life and
it's just now, you know, beginning to get a feel
on the sense he's still growing into his body and

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I think he'll continue to make leaps and bounds as
a player. But you couldn't go wrong with either. But
I'd say Pattent if you look down the line on
the upside, which is so often how the NBA drafts
these days, because there's so many young prospects coming out
and as a result, you have to play that projection game.

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That's what these gms get paid for is to look
into the crystal ball, do their research, and to the
best of their abilities, try and look down the line
and how a player will develop. And that's why often
the underclass and get drafted ahead of the juniors and
seniors or even ket your players who have been around longer,
those players tend to go in the second round. Great stuff, Lave.

(26:20):
Are you still in San Francisco? Yes, Actually, my mom's
having some health struggles, so send up a prayer and uh,
we're gonna see her through here. So all right, send
my regards and I look forward to catching up with
you in person very very soon. Thanks, Maria Guest on
Fox Sports Radio. Okay, take care of Doug. All right,
that's Steve Lavin joining us from San Francisco. Sounding San Francisco.

(26:43):
Didn't love a big coffee guy, big job a guy,
big yoga guy as well, Walker Good on Instagram if
you like, like he's like a very at one with
peace with the earth. We're gonna take your phone calls,
read some of your tweets and react to how we've

(27:05):
gotten to this place where the the NBA offseason, which
we haven't even reached free agency, which is begins July one,
more interesting than the postseason eight see six nine that
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Fox Sports Radio Sam Ammick with some interesting tweets here
on the Lakers pacers front, which Mark Stein from ESPN

(27:51):
said they have begun trade discussions, Sam Ammick from USA
Today says on the Lakers pacers front, Paul George and
D'Angel Russell have the same agent, Aaron Mints of CIA,
and he would like them to play together. Tricky. Yes,
Mints also has Lakers Julius Randalls. It doesn't really I'd
loved I understand that people think this really matters, but

(28:13):
it doesn't really matter. It doesn't really matter. My agent's
who is also at CIA, represents a lot of big,
bigger name people in this industry. Like the reason that
you are the agent is you gotta look out what's
best for your player, right, but you also have to
be reasonable and if the Lakers choose to make a

(28:37):
move for Paul George, like one, Paul George is a
more important client, but you can't necessarily think that way,
not if you're a really good agent. But two, you
you've got to think that if you're Danigel the Russell,
he needs a fresh start, he needs somebody to walk
by the the Xbox and just having to bump into it. Right,

(29:00):
don't tell me you didn't do that. You're getting beat
by your big brother playing Madden or back in the
Nintendo days, playing Double Dribble or Blades of Steel, Blades
of Steel. You're playing Blades of Steel, and he's up
like seven to one. He's whooping, he was talking trash,
and then his girlfriend calls and he goes in the
room like don't touch him, don't touch anything, don't touch anything.

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And then while he's gone, like you just go and
kind of walk by the thing you hit, re say like, oh,
I don't know what happened. I don't know what are
you doing. Dodo's up seven one. I never did that.
I just imagine that this could happen somewhere. I did
happen to have a big brother. We did Blade Blades
of Steel, or RBI Baseball or contract or Man Multipol Games,

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or double dribble. And when that I was the king
of double dribble. You know, the double dribble thing when
you jump in the air out of bounds and then
back in bounds and shooting you never miss, especially when
you're going the right to left direction. You could jump
at the very top of the screen out of bounds,
or when you played Tech Mobile and you could uh,
you could run backwards to the screen and then you

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came out in the end zone. I was pretty cool anyway,
Mark Stein says the Clippers, Rockets, Wizards, and yes, the
Calves are among teams that have also talked to talk
Paul George trade with Indiana. League sources say that the
problem with it is what are you willing to give up?
And unless you're the Clippers, Jude has said, I want

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to live in Los Angeles. Mike President hand who of
course covers the team for a time Warner Cable, which
is the lakers own network. Following steinline, Ramona Shelburne report
Lakers would rather acquire Paul George now than free agent eighteen.

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But where are you of giving up too much? That's
what we talked about yesterday. You don't want to do
what the Nicks had to do in order to get
Karmelo Anthony. You're You're okay giving up an asset or two,
but you don't want to overspend thinking he's gonna come
your way anyway. Might seven seven, six, three, six nine.

(31:21):
What a crazy night crazy night. I don't think it's
out of the around possibility that Lebron leaves and goes
to Los Angeles. I don't think so. But I think
the idea that because they they didn't fire David Griffin,
he just contract was up, it wasn't renewed, might ask
for too much money. Because of that, they he said

(31:45):
he would leave like this is a sign Like, I
don't think so. I think the best pressure you can
put on on Lebron James to stay is one the
fact that he's home and to continue to build a
championship team. Whatever you think that intil, whatever you think
it takes to build a championship team, that's what you
should do. Now. Is there a risk for Dan Gilbert?

(32:13):
For Dan Gilbert, sure, huge risk. But this idea that
Lebron is mad because of a tweet. Let me explain
something about Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. The only time anybody's
ever had a bad day is when somebody dies or
somebody's had cancer, and somebody has cancer and they put
it out on Facebook, but nobody ever updates a Hey,

(32:34):
you know I had a bad I had a normal
day today. Nothing much happened. Facebook is adults show and
tell Instagram is look at how good and fun of
my life is? And Twitter is you know, for for
non celebrities it's super opinionated. Nobody can see my FaceTime,

(32:56):
and for celebrities generally it's uh, it's you know by this,
or how good is that? Or simply saying, you know,
simply going with whatever the social wind says you should
go with. Very hard to find who somebody really is
on Instagram, on Twitter, on anywhere on social you just
it's very very hard. There's always like, well, there, but

(33:20):
she's in a bikini again. God, she needs attention, right. Uh,
they're showing off what the new house, the new car,
like man, they're just they're they're they're those people. But
for the most part, everything is great. Look how great
my life is. And I think in many ways, Lebron
James I started the show saying this, he might not
have wanted David Griffin fire, but if you really didn't

(33:41):
want to fire, he should have said something and saying that,
you know what, what's gonna happen in the NBA a
year ago today. Here's all you have to know about
anybody who assumes that today means that Lebron will go
to the Lakers a year ago today, year ago today,

(34:04):
the Kazer Champions. Everybody thought KD was coming back and
it was going to be the Spurs, the Warriors, the Clippers,
and the Oklahoma City Thunder fighting against the Cavaliers because
the Cavaliers were building a dynasty. Remember that. And now
everybody's playing catch up with the Warriors, and Paul George

(34:26):
wants to join the Lakers, and the Clippers may be
breaking apart or maybe they're not. Things changing twelve months,
so much changes, so much? Well, Dwayne Wade returned to Chicago.
That part of big deal, a little deal or no deal? Plus?
Did you see or read the ruling from the Supreme

(34:50):
Court of the United States in regards to the Washington Redskins?
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(35:31):
this story has gotten. Um There was a Supreme Court
case in regards to the Washington Redskins logo, the U. S.
Supreme Court has ruled in the case involving the name
brand the Slants that may be offensive to Asian Americans,
that the guarantee of free speech under the First Amendment

(35:51):
overcomes the government's supposed ability to invalidate a trademark rights
trademark rights that are potentially offensive grounds. It didn't mean
that the Slants or the Redskins aren't defensive. It means
that the government can't deny a trademark protection based upon
arguments give that a given term does or that's offended.

(36:11):
The government argued in the current case and in the
Washington case, that the issuance of trademark transforms the potentially
offensive term into government speech, regardless of which. Regardless of which,
there was a case going back a couple of years
ago where the Redskins could not have trademark protected rights

(36:34):
on the term Redskins. And this is like two seasons
comes like two seasons ago. There's a movement a lot
of NFL announcers. I will only call him Washington, I
won't call him the Redskins. And just so you know
where I stand on the side of this is I
don't think the Redskins is an offensive term because when
the Redskins were first named, it wasn't it wasn't created

(36:57):
in order to to be offensive. There was no consideration of,
like what can we find it was the idea was, hey,
how can we name the team basically Indians Warriors whatever,
like just a different obstru of it. And they had
there was actually a guy. I don't want to go
in the whole story of it, but there was no intent.

(37:18):
There was no intent to be offensive. Um, and I
think what happens is and and you know, there's been
different studies done and many of them have shown that
on Native American lands, the most popular team, most popular
NFL team is in fact the Redskins. It's actually a

(37:39):
point of pride. And some of it is white guilt
in US feeling that like, I don't think that Washington
Redskins football team gave smallpox, you know, two two Native
Americans on uh the Trail of tears, right, and so
don't correlate that awful historical story of white America in

(38:03):
regards to Native American Native Americans with the Redskins, like
the Redskins have tried, have tried and not always succeeded.
Just like Florida State has with the seminoles Um to
be some sort of some source of pride, like, hey,
this is a great people. They were strong, they were proud,

(38:23):
They fought for their land, they fought for their families,
and I mean they're just out out gunned, to be
honest with you, and this is how we represent them
in our culture. Let's not wipe them from the face
of the earth. Let's get to the side. Let's reach
into godly sack. All right, Dan Buyer, I didn't give
you much time. Let's get after it. All right, let's

(38:44):
do it. You mentioned earlier anywhere we are doing today.
Big deal, little deal, no deal, Doug big deal, little
deal or no deal. And he has piano, report says
Bolzegard Dwyane Wade leaning towards picking up his option worth
four million dollars next season. Now, there has been some
conflicting info on what Wade's plans would be if Jimmy
Butler would be traded, but either way, ESPN says that

(39:05):
Wade expected to be in Chicago next year million dollars
which he could not get in the open market. Chicago
overpaid him to come home. Yeah, of course he's not
most guys opt out, but not Dwyane Wade because he
can't get that money or even half that money on
the open market. Where he goes next year. That's interesting.
We'll talk about the next hour. Big deal, little deal
or no deal. That Hall of Fame defensive lineman Warren

(39:26):
Sapp announced that he'll donate his brain to the Concussion
the Legacy Foundation once he passes away. Have you seen
his video when he got arrested because he had two
prostitutes in this room. I'm not sure how much brain
function there is anyway, but that's a big deal A
living player saying I got some issues. I want to
donate my brain. Two signs. Look, football is in a

(39:47):
very tenuous spot. I continue to believe that where a
class action lawsuit away from losing high school football. High
school football because high schools they can't if they love
is a class action lawsuit. They don't have the money.
The NFL do us to pay it to go away.
How about this final one? I know you guys love film,
Big deal, A little deal or no deal? That Daniel
day Lewis is retiring from acting at the age of

(40:09):
sixty No more. Daniel day Lewis movies. It's that a
big deal, little deal or no deal, that's a little deal.
When was the last Daniel day Lewis movie. He's been
in some really good ones, Gangs of New York, The
Last the Mohicans, Lincoln. Lincoln was simply made to win
Academy Awards, by the way, it was well done, but
it was simply window What was what was the last
really good one? John Ramos? Do you like Daniel Delos?

(40:31):
What's why is? I don't understand why he's retiring. It's
gonna just go on to do other things, apparently, and
they would have no further comments on why he is
leaving the world of acting. I didn't know. Is that
hard a gig? Like you can pick and choose when
you want to work, and that's that's a But to
my side, that was Scott lead Sack. He's awesome, He's

(40:53):
been awesome, But like you know, like if he took
three years off and he came back and he took
out a new role, would anybody know? Now do you
trade Kris stops Perzingis? We discussed next Boom, What Up?
Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. So much to get

(41:13):
to today, we thought we'd have a chillaxing day. You know,
we're like two days away from the NBA Draft, which
you can hear awesome draft show me Metal World Peace,
Chris Brussard for four hours or so. We're don't have
four hours. Ran Music is gonna produce. We're gonna just
basically the whole first round before it and then recap

(41:34):
it afterwards, and then as the picks come down, and
then Broussard's cell phone and just be blowing up during it.
I have obviously some connections with these teams as well
in opinion, and all the players and medic can give us. Uh,
he's been you know, he's coming straight off a vacation.
He when he found out, he wanted he's doing this
like he's calling a bunch of people. He wants to
know what he's talking about and how these and what's
going on inside the league which he's played in last season.

(41:55):
So it's a bunch. That's seven pm Eastern times, seven
pm e s from done Yeah, four pm specifics, so
we have we're done here three from three to four,
grabbing a bike to eat what we know, what we need?
I don't know. There's that's Ryan Music producer of this
show who somehow got looped into you got a day off?
You get an extra day off for working that show?

(42:17):
I don't, but like you know, I do not. I
just they offered it up, and I said, a chance
to work with Doug, Chris and Matta. I'll take it.
Did you good day off? I'm gonna negotiate for all
you guys. That's a compte. Um, we can get some pokey.
You're a big pokey guy. I am a big poquet pope?
Is it poke is a poque? I say pokey? But

(42:37):
it could. I don't know. But where is the closest one?
Because I love it? It's like a blockdown, blockdown Sepolda,
Like you walk down there, they got like they got everything,
like Starbucks poku. I believe they film X rated movies there.
All right, Valley, there's actually two of those before you
even get to the Starbucks. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Massage partler,

(42:58):
massage partler, uh the sage part Does Dan Buyer know
how the correct pronunciation of poquain? I believe at the
massage parlor they call it pokey. Um. I believe that's
how it works. And everywhere else it's parquet poque, right,
whatever it is. I don't even know what you guys
are talking about it. It's it's a type of sauce
that goes on tuna that usually they put it on

(43:20):
at the poquet place. They put that same but any
sauce you want, it's like a fresh like you go
and get fresh cut up fresh fish over like a
bed of rice or a bed of seaweed or whatever,
and like you it's huh, it's good. Dan isn't like fish.
So have you ever been Hawaiian? No? No? Never really yes? Yes? Um,

(43:41):
do you have any desire to go? Yeah? Yeah, I'd
love to sometime, just haven't made it. But now you're married.
Now it's like an excuse for like first honeymoon. Yeah,
it's been brought up as a possible place to go. Yeah.
Now you guys haven't taken the honeymoon the honeymoon. Has
it already been planned or no, No, it's still in
the planning stage. There you go. I just made your
planning for you go to go to. That is an option,
that is there's a legitimate Now he's great, and I

(44:02):
can There's a place called the Gazebo has these ridiculous
coconut pancakes like you know, and and I don't know
how you are in pancakes or how you are in coconut,
but um, that's it's kind of like you ever had
Tennessee honey whiskey. He has ever had that. I don't
like it. I'm not really a honey guy, and I'm
not really a whiskey guy. But you put the dude
into there. They're like Austin. It's the you know what

(44:22):
it is. It's the opposite of women's basketball. Like I
love women. I find would be fascinating if that wouldn't
be more intelligent than we are. Um, you know, my
wife balances the three kids at four kids counting me,
the dog, the cat, the house of life, et cetera.
I love women and I love basketball. Put women in
basketball to get like stuff. Watch it to be tough

(44:46):
for me to watch. I thought I had a coconut
allergy when I ate a box of Samoa's a girl
Scout cookies. Yeah, it's you know, like my uvula got
swollen and I had to go to him. You know,
the thing that hangs down on the back of your mouth.
Oh sorry, I thought you were talking about a different
part of the body. It's called your ula, the punching
bag in the back of here. Yes, that's it. That's it.
After a box of Girls Scott Cookies. I thought that

(45:08):
was the coconut allergy. So I don't know if I
can do coconut pancakes. I'm more waffles and pancakes. I'm
more hamburger than hot dog. Um, I'm more peanut butter
than jelly. But I do love the coconut pancakes and
the gazebo or spectacular. We'll probably be doing a lot
of poking on our honeymoon anyway. That's what we call

(45:33):
t M I. T M I. But how about John
saying finally, you know, like like he's been waiting for
it down on the video. That's really what it was,
not the wedding video. Okay, So so there's a there's
a there's just a growing story out there that Phil

(45:56):
Jackson is fielding calls in regards to potentially moving Chris
Stops Persingers, which is causing Knicks fans to lose their
collective minds. Nobody loses their minds like Nicks fans. First
thing is this, it really doesn't matter what they throw
out there. Knicks fans have this eternal optimism in which

(46:17):
they show up. I've been The new Garden is spectacular.
It hasn't moved. They put a billion dollars into the building,
and people still go. They find a reason to go.
And though they may hate Phil Jackson. I'm not sure
you're aware, but Phil Jackson signed a contract extension mid
season this year. You got him for three more years.

(46:39):
Like imagine if you're a New Yorker right now and
you're fed up with the Knicks, you got you got
Trump for three and a half and you got Phil
Jackson for three. Thank god, the Yankees are good. So
he ain't going anywhere, But neither are the Knicks in
their current status. Terrible contract with Joe Kim Noah, just awful.

(47:01):
Derrick Rose like a Derrick Rows a free agent, and
no one is discussing, right, no one is discussing, And
so we're left with this what can the Knicks do?
And so Phil Jackson is doing what's absolutely prudent as
a general manager. You evaluate your assets and you find

(47:23):
out what what are they worth on the open market.
That's actually doing your job as a Now that doesn't
mean one he hasn't traded prozingis he simply evaluated what
his what the value is? He called Phoenix and said, um,

(47:44):
what about Devin Brooks? Right, because I'm sure the feeling
is Devin Brooks a young star, burgeoning star. Christophs prozingis young,
burgeoning star. And if you can get Devin Brooks, then
you can draft a big guy and you may be
further along. It's it's not a terrible idea to evaluate

(48:07):
what things are worth. It's the same reason that people
go to Zillo. Right. Do you guys know what Zillo is? Now? Look,
Zillo is not always accurate, and they've been sued in
some places or whatever. But there's this thing on Zillo
called the make Me move. Yourenna make me move? Is
what you do? Is you like, like, I don't want

(48:29):
to sell my house, but if somebody wants to give
me a million dollars from my house, that is probably
worth thousand dollars. Goodbye, it's yours, right, which is all
that Phil Jackson is doing. He's creative. Make me move.
If the Boston Celtics want to give him the third
pick in the draft, to which he can pick either
Jayson Tatum or Josh Jackson, and they want to give

(48:50):
him one more one more player, so he can get
a young, up and coming rookie that he likes. Plus
he has his own, his own eighth pick in the draft.
Maybe he takes Lowry market in there and he can
get an established player. If you can get three players

(49:10):
for what's two for If you get two for one
and then potentially see if you can if you can
move Karmalo Anthony, turn Karmalo Anthony and Kevin Love. Why
wouldn't you at least consider it, this idea that no
one is tradeable, no one is movable. It does actually

(49:31):
lead credence to what the Cleveland Cavaliers, don't I think
it's I think it's within with a couple of people
as the exception. It's crazy considered trading Kyrie Irving, mostly
because of the makeup of the Cleveland Cavaliers. But one
of the things that apparently management disagreed with David Griffin,
the now former general manager of the Cleveland Cavaliers, was
over the idea of at least considering trading Kyrie Irving.

(49:54):
What's the value for him? What's the value for So look,
if you call it Phoenix and you're like, give me
Devin Booker and you can have christophs Perzingis. I don't

(50:15):
think that's a crazy ask. And I think that's like
a make me move price on your zillo, you know,
and if somebody doesn't want to pay it, then you
don't sell it. My wife, on the other hand, she
does this like tag sails, like yard sales, just give
stuff away. I have a set of weights. They're polyurethane weights,

(50:36):
like the stuff that you like in the weight room,
you know. I actually they're actually Harvard's weights. I couldn't
go to Harvard, but I could buy their weights second hand.
So I think I paid it for like five hundred
bucks for I knew the guy who was the dealer
who had traded out their weights. So my wife calls
me and she's like, when we're set to move across
country and she's like, well, the movie guys came and

(50:58):
they said it's a couple hundred bucks just because these
weights are so heavy, So do you want to sell them?
Like I don't want to sell them. He's like, would
you go to a gym? I was like yeah, But
it's still as my son gets older, it's still cool
to be able in a if I have a nice
big garage to put a little weight room in there, right,
little place where we can go do some curls, take
him to the gun show, right, you don't always have

(51:19):
to go to the gym if they're there, or if
I do sell them, like, I want to get a
reasonable value for him. So if somebody is willing to
pay a certain price, her problem is that she just
wears down and like fine. If she had Christoph's prezingis
she'd be like, oh you don't want to give me
the number three pick? Fine, give me Jay Crowder and
I'm good. She just gets wearing worn down by the
whole negotiations of it. So I know it's very easy

(51:43):
to criticize Bill Jackson say he hasn't always said the
right thing, and hiring Derek Fisher and frankly Jeff Horni
sec might not have been the right thing. And he's
fought with Karbeno Anthony who look Karmin think it was
the pay in the ask long before Phil Jackson never
got there. Derrick Rose was an oddfit that they took

(52:05):
a one year flyer on. I would encourage them not
to renew unless it was at like half of a
max contracts, you can get a starting point guard on
the cheap, like that's the only reason you do it.
But in this particular case, listing your house for sale
and a make new move price not crazy. Kind of smart,

(52:28):
kind of smart metal world piece is gonna join us
up coming next, Do the Lakers have to completely turn
over their roster in order to get to the playoffs?
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(54:48):
NBA Draft show. Thursday night, you can catch me, Chris
Broussard and Metal World Piece right here on Fox Sports
Radio and on iHeart beginning at seven Eastern, taking you
through the entire first round of the NBA Draft. We'll
give you pick by pick predictions and analysis for all
third picks of the first round. That's Thursday night with
me Chris brus Sard Metal World Peace at seven Eastern

(55:11):
right here on Fox Sports Radio. So much, so much
to get to in terms of what's going on. And
it's weird to me because I think there's parts of
the league that we're not even covering, right, do feel
like there's parts of the league we're not even investigating
what's going on in Portland and New Orleans, in Sacramento,

(55:35):
in there's all these other teams like no, I I
I get no, nobody cares. But there's a sleeper cell
out there which will become part of the story. There's
always one team. And you know, for a long time
in the past it was hey give him, give it
to uh, you know, send it, send it to Sacramento.

(55:56):
They'll take whatever you got, right, I'll think be the
land of misfit toys, exactly what they've been. Who is
the team that takes on the bad salary? Who is
the team that they get to be part of a
three way a four way trade? Like why are they
even That's really kind of the untold story of this,

(56:17):
but the news of the day in the NBA is
a plenty. Jimmy Butler pushing for a trade to the Calvs.
Kyrie Irving could push for a trade if Lebron plans
to leave. Chauncey Billups the likely front runner to be
general manager of the Cleveland Cavaliers, and the Cavs working

(56:39):
on multi team trade scenarios to acquire Jimmy Butler. Chicago
Trubuing reported that the Phoenix Suns, who have the number
four pick in Thursday night's draft, as well as the
available and available first rate point guard in Eric Bledsoe,
are a potential third team facilitator in a scenario. So

(57:01):
I think it's and then what what do the Celtics do?
Are the Celtics. Bill Simmons was on with Colin Coward
Ruler today and he said, like, Hey, I kind of
think that trade to get the number three pick. I
kind of feel like that trade is uh is a
set up for another trade. Let's welcome in Metalworld piece.
You can hear them Thursday night here on Fox Sports

(57:21):
Radio as we cover the the the NBA draft meta.
Let's first talk Lakers. There's a growing assumption that they
take Alonzo ball. What do you think in regards to
ball and the fit with the current roster players. I
don't know if there are a lot of great players
out there Alonzo balls and the situation being able to

(57:43):
play in the NBA and have a long career in
the same thing with fault and same thing of fox.
Lakers done a good situation with the challenge they have
in the talents that So, you know, for me, I'm
really excited about all the news glassics, you know, not
just not one pick, uh and then we'll see you
the Lakers draft. You know, I'm not in the in

(58:03):
the in the war room, so you know, I can't
be excited for something that I know nothing about. So um,
for the most part, I know they're in a good situation,
you know. I mean, they got money, they got you know,
a really good situation. All right, let me just update

(58:25):
you a story that just broke. Adrian ward Zanowski tweeted
out the Pacers have reached a deal. It could be like,
what is that a fake account that looks like a
real account. Now that's a that's a fake account. Never mind,
that's that's a fake account. Thank you. I appreciate you
always gotta be good. Good catch on that one. That's
a fake Adrian word Snowski account. Um, so, I guess
here's my thought, my my question, do you uh meta?

(58:47):
Is you play with these young guys? And Magic came
out and basically said, brandon Ingram is the only untouchable?
Is magic? Is Magic missing? Is there somebody else you
play with? Like? No, no, you want to keep, you
want to hold a d'angelos used to falling out of favor. Um,
Jordan Clarkson's falling a little bit out of favor. Larry
nance a good player, but from the previous regime, what's

(59:08):
your sense of if is there a player that magic
might be missing on that has more value than then
the new regime believes, Well, you're not. For me, it's
all about the unit and the chemistry. So I don't
really care about any one player because you put one
player on the team you know against uh an opponent,
and I bet spins are not gonna show up to

(59:29):
see one player versus five, right, So you know, for me,
I like to talk about, you know, what type of
combinations out there that toul sit for the Lakers, and
when the Lakers to get back on top, you know,
and uh, they do have some combinations out there that
could work. You know, maybe something don't work, you know,
so you know, you know, maybe something don't work. So

(59:49):
I think I think it's all about the combinations. And
I have a lot of great players. They have a
lot of great individual plays and you know, put h potentially,
but they gotta put it together. So as far as
but Matt, they said, you know, he's he's running the show.
So he sees something, Yeah, he sees that's gonna you know,
help the latest. So I can't really seek for magic.

(01:00:10):
But in terms of what I feel, you know, I
feel like it's all about chemistry and it's all about
you know, what combinations can actually do on stables, center
floor and put together some winds um the the Calves
appear to be pursuing Jimmy Butler, and there's some talk
of Paul George who makes them more likely to beat
the Warriors? Butler or Paul George. I think it's got

(01:00:33):
about who makes some more likely for the Calves. So
it's hard to say. The Warriors are very very uh events.
So in some cases you have to get the players
that you can play off the ball, players that can cut,
players that can shoot off the move, players that have endurance,

(01:00:54):
you know, and and plays that can pass, that can backcut.
I can make the backcut pass. So I'm not sure
if you know Butler and Paul George are those type
of players in order to beat the Warriors. Because the
Warriors you need more than just some really good talents
to beat them. You need a little bit of a heart,
you need a little bit of intelligence, you need unselfish play.

(01:01:17):
And I'm not sure. I'm not sure that goes are
the players to do it. Um Metal World Peace joining
us on the Doug Gottlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. Uh,
what about the Clippers? You know, you look at the
Clippers and this group has been together and now they
have to make the first Chris Pauls decide do I

(01:01:38):
do I sign a two hundred plus million dollar deal
or do I do I pursue a ring for less money? Elsewhere?
There's been talking, well, maybe you move on from Blake.
He's always hurt. If if they were to ask Metal
World Peace, hey man, you keep this group together and
maybe let j J walk? Do you trade away? Do
you you know, trade away? Blake Griffin like, what what
do you do if you were in charge the Clippers.

(01:02:01):
They're very, very talented, so they can win right off
their talent. If they're not hurt, they can easily want
a title. So now given the fact that they hurt,
that's hurting them a lot. But they also want dimensional
But they're so talented at work sometimes but being one
dimensional to hurt you. Uh, I don't see a lot

(01:02:21):
of versus atility in terms of when it's time to
make those adjustments, you know in the game. You know,
maybe you gotta play off the ball one time, or
maybe you have to post. You know, like Yank he's
really good a dunking and blocking, but he's not he
doesn't have much of post him and Wake is really
good at one on one, but you know, keep getting
better shooting off the ball. And Chris Paul needs the

(01:02:44):
ball all the time, you know, and so he has
to get better off the ball, right he has to.
And so I think those type of adjustments to ast
him helped the Clippers. Uh, you know, Jamal Crawford on
the ball, you know, and so so many guys that
wanted to mention them, And I think that's what hurts
that's what hurts the Clippers. They need a little bit
of you know, vers know, they need two seventeen basketball

(01:03:09):
guys had to be able to play multipositions, guarden multiple positions.
And they're kind of they're almost built for a foregone era,
right like you have the true the truest true point
guard you gotta and you got a true five, and
you get a true power forward. Those skills that those positions,
they don't have the versatility of others. Yeah, they need
some more fatility. Uh. I think a little bit more
body movement and a little bit more bad movement will

(01:03:31):
help them because they have physical teams, but they don't
really use that a lot to their advantage. They don't
cut carsistantly, you know, and and uh, I don't see
a lot of passing on the cut on the Clippers.
And you can't really you know, you can't really win
today only because of the Warriors. Now, if if it

(01:03:51):
wasn't for the Warriors, they would be able. That type
of ball can win. But the Warriors get it. They
play the right way and they continue to improved, you
see what I'm saying. So now with that being said,
the Warriors have set the bar in terms of the
IQ great great stuff. Man. I can't wait to see
in studio on Thursday night as we get we get

(01:04:12):
a chance to to catch up and talk about the
NBA Draft as the first round occurs. Really appreciate, appreciate
br guest on Fox Sports Radio. Depend is going to
appreciate you, guys. I see you guys. Alright, that's that's
metal World peace. That should be interesting. I have a thought.
There's this. Kevin Durant is expected to opt out of

(01:04:36):
his contract sign as a free agent with the Golden
Stay Wars. So don't freak out. He's not gonna leave.
He's gonna sign a deal and apparently take a little
bit less than he's supposed to. There's an interesting, kind
of undiscussed part of Kevin Durant taking less money. I'll

(01:04:56):
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weird about the Kevin Durant gonna take a little bit
less money, so Katie signed a one plus one is
gonna opt out, which most outside of Dwayne Wade, that
probably all opt out. Like here's the thing that like, Okay,
remember the Banana Boat crew was always talking about playing together.
It could all happen next year with the Clippers and
I don't know, and maybe you guys could find the
sound if you would. Yes day, Uh, Jerry West was

(01:06:03):
accepting his position as a consultant for the Clippers, and
he he said something which I don't know. To me,
I felt like this was and this might not be
discussed enough. To me, it felt like felt like this
was an overture towards Lebron James. Now I've started the

(01:06:27):
show and stated repeatedly that I don't know what led
to Dan Gilbert firing David Griffin, his gentle manager not
re upping his deals. Is his contract was there. But
but I also believe that if Lebron James really didn't
want him fired. He would have said, over my dead body, right,
he had done the Jimmy Chitwood. He goes, I go,

(01:06:48):
he stays, I play right. On the other hand, this
has never been a great relationship, especially since Lebron left
and there was the comics Sands and like, even the
bygones are never truly bygones. Lebron brought him a championship,

(01:07:09):
but Lebron continues to run up the bill on it,
like right, Like Lebron is that top sales guy who
has the corporate credit card and the guy he was
with the corporation before and they brought him back, and
he's like, he didn't really want to come back, but
it's such a good job, and his kids were happy
in school there, and his wife's happy there. He's like fine, whatever,

(01:07:32):
And then every time he goes out anywhere, he's like,
you know what, put it on the card. What are
you gonna do? Fire me? I got all the big accounts, right,
he's corporate credit card guy. No, no, no, I got
this great guy to hang with, by the way, great
guy to hang with. Sushia night, Sushia Night, Steak Tonight,

(01:07:55):
steak tonight. Then you can even go to the wallet
like like, no, dude, it's thought me corporate credit card.
That's what Lebron is. They have the highest salary for
the second consecutive year in the NBA. Lebron keeps running
up the credit card. But Jerry West said something about

(01:08:16):
the ownership specifically of the l A Clippers. Take a listen.
But I am sold on the ownership here. I am
really sold on this ownership. I think they wanted to
establish their own identity to this in this town. And
that's what to me is most important. Established their own
identity and number one, their own ability to win at

(01:08:38):
the very highest level. We want to win at the
very highest level and ownership. Okay, now, banana boat true,
Chris Paul, Carmelo Anthony? Where's Karmelo Anthony coming from New York?
The disastrous New York does not stop at Phil Jackson.
It's James Dolan arguing with a really all respected player

(01:09:01):
from the nineties in Charles Oakley, getting him ejected and
getting him arrested during an NBA game. Ownership Lebron, James
free agent at the end of next year, wants to
reportedly come to Los Angeles. What's his big what's this
big gripe ownership? Dan Gilbert always in the way, kind

(01:09:22):
of a clown overreacting when I left, Hey, this is
we want to win a championship. That speaks to Lebron.
We have the best, We have a great owner, a
dynamic owner. The reason I'm here is either the owner.
It doesn't mean it's true or not right, Like the
Lakers didn't want to hire Jerry West and his run
had kind of run out in Golden State. He lives
in l A Like. It all kind of makes sense.

(01:09:44):
They need somebody who has credibility. Nobody has more credibility
than Jerry West. But it's not like, Hey, Jerry, do
you want to come and run the Milwaukee Bucks? No thanks? Well,
we have the greatest own in the world. You have
the greatest own in the world. You want no thanks.
I felt like that was a direct overture at both

(01:10:04):
Carmelo and Lebron. And if you get Carmelo and Lebron
and Chris Paul, you're gonna get Dwyane Wade, whose contract
will expire with Chicago Bulls all at the same time.
Now they're probably I'll be two old past their prime.
It might not matter. That's what it felt like to me.
And they're all competing with the Golden State Warriors and
Kevin Durant supposedly gonna take less. But I guess here's

(01:10:26):
my question. So Steph Curry this offseason can sign a
deal which is like the Supermax, right, what is it?
It's over two dred million dollars, isn't it? Ryan Music,
do you know the exact figure? I wanted to the
Penny Gross not net, I'm kidding about it. To the penny,

(01:10:47):
I want to say, it's two two million dollars. That's
that's what I want to say. If not sounds really good.
If I missed it by cup million, what's a cup
million among friends? Right? So we all know that one
of the reasons that this all came together, that they
were able to have the cap room to sign Kevin
Durant last year, is that Steph Curry was wildly underpaid

(01:11:08):
because he was operating under a second contract. And when
he negotiated that second contract, it was in his third
year in the end, after I think four is fourth
year in the NBA. It's five year, two million dollars,
five years, two dollars. That's an average of over forty

(01:11:29):
million dollars, right, my math right, and then there's a
lot of money. So I I guess here's what this is.
I get that Steph didn't make as much as he
could have over the last four years of US two
MVP years, and so maybe some of this is the
evening at the scale. But why why is it incumbent

(01:11:49):
upon Kevin Durant to take three four million dollars less
to sign andre Iguadala? Like this is where team just
go bad? Like if Steph Curry loves playing with Kevin Durant.
Speaking of credit cards, it's like when you throw out
a card and the other guy, no, you know, no,

(01:12:10):
you know you, I got it, I got it, I
got You start fighting wrestling, you become best friends, and
then you start punching each other out because you want
to pay for the bill. As your wife said, don't
let him pay. And what do you do? What are
you supposed to do when a bill comes? You may
go out with your buddy and his three kids and
his wife and it's you and your wife. But what

(01:12:31):
are you supposed to do? Ramos? What's the proper etiquette there?
Take grab the bill, take the bill first, right, but
if he insists like no, no, no, I'm not gonna
let you both kind of insist, what do you do?
You split it? Right? You split it and you don't, well,
you don't split it, and you don't you don't split
it and go like, okay, well you have five kids,
you have five people, and I have two people, you know,

(01:12:53):
and I didn't order drinks and you order drink like
now you don't like you know, we get caught up
in that stuff. You just split it, right, You're like
you feel like a big dog. You kind of picked
up some of his bill. He doesn't feel bad like
you weren't like showing him up, like you make more
money than him, like you just it's good. We're fine. Like,
just split it and then continue to dinner conversation. You

(01:13:15):
know which if you have kids around, it's usually or
even you don't, it's usually about kids or about somebody
else's getting a divorce getting married. Right, he's just gossiping,
But just split ahead. Why don't the warriors split it?
Like the if the whole end again, I'm I hate

(01:13:36):
spending other people's money or costing other people money, but
wouldn't it makes sense like if Kevin Durant is the
best player on the Golden State Wars and he's the
difference in the Warriors winning this championship and not winn
the champiship, we can all agree on that, right, He's
clearly the difference, even if you don't even like, I'm

(01:13:57):
not trying to diminish the importance of stuff. They also
don't win without stuff, and they don't win it without clay.
But don't you set a great precedent for the rest
of the team if you go like, look, I could
be making forty nearly forty one million dollars guaranteed per year,
but I can't spend forty one million dollars guaranteed per year.
He's got the deal with Express Clothes, right, He's got

(01:14:19):
a deal with under Armor, huge deal with that arm.
He's got all these other kind of deals. What's the
new one? He just he just signed on to Degree
So he has all these deals their side deals. He's
gonna make fifty million dollars anyway, I why not say like,
I can make forty But I'm watching what's happening to

(01:14:39):
the calves where they're capped out they're they're topped out.
Cap wise, I'll make thirty It's not a five year
deal for a hundred and fifty million dollars. I can't
spend thirty million dollars a year. I can't. I could
try pretty fun like Brewster's millions times. You remember the
movie Bruisters millions, You remember romas candy, Right, very good,

(01:15:01):
that's a that's a fun movie. That'd be. He has
to hear here's what music. He has to spend a
million dollars in a month, right, I think it's a
million dollars in a month in order to get like
ten million dollars or something like that. It's a spend
a million, but he can't have any assets. Is to
find ways to spend, but he can't like just give
away the money. Yeah, I think I've seen that. It's

(01:15:21):
a it's a really like it's a okay, I'd watch
that movie. Richard prior to the toy is also really good.
That's also he was great in the Toy um. But
why is it in comment upon Kevin Durand to take
less money to make thirty one millions of thirty four
million and not Steph Curry. I ain't Kevin Durant's problem

(01:15:45):
that he was only making eleven million per year in
the last four years. I don't know. To me, that's
when it becomes the real deal. That's when I truly
buy into Golden State being like the Spurs, Golden State,
truly being in it for one another, to which they
all get together and go like, all right, Katie's gonna
make thirty, I'm gonna make thirty. Like that's what we're

(01:16:06):
gonna top ourselves out and we can all make the
money up on side deals with Silicon Valley, with our
shoe companies, with our express clothes, with our degree at
a person that makes sense. Wait to you what Bill
Simmons had to say, and the Clippers versus the Lakers
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a bit redundant anyway in all the land, in all
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So whether it's Cowherd or Dan Patrick or Clay Travis
or Steve Gorman sports or Rich Eysen, jt the Brick You,

(01:17:21):
Jason Smith, show, Ben Mallard, whoever it is, they say
something or have someone on who says something interesting, we
planned for you in comment on it. And Bill Simmons
came out from his ringer hole and decided to join
Colin Coward. I mean, like I love Bill, he like
lives like ten minutes away from Colin studio, but want

(01:17:42):
to do a phone We're like, come on, dude, comes
in in the couch or comes in with us. Anyway,
Simmons had this to say on the Lakers versus Clippers discussion.
I think the Lakers have I would say five times
a better chance of Lady lebronpunction. That dysfunction ownership. What's
dysfunctional about it? They got Rob Polinka and they got

(01:18:04):
Magic Johnson. It's the Lakers. You're acting like the Clippers manner.
The Clippers missed their window in two thousand and fourteen
and two thousand fifteen. You talk about dysfunction, and I
like Bomber He's on my podcast. I think he's a
smart dude. He finally figured out I have to take
control of this. But for three years he didn't, and
he let Doc Rivers try to be the coach in
the GM and it was a disaster. They missed their window. Like,

(01:18:26):
we're gonna look back at this decade and the two
things that are going to stand out or how the
hell did Oklahoma City trade James Harden And how the
hell did the Clippers never get passed Round two when
they had two of the best eight players in the league.
That's those are gonna be the two legacies of this
decade for when we scratch our heads and go, what
the hell just happened? I kind of agree on both.
Now I could explain the Clippers with just bad luck

(01:18:46):
and injuries and and and some bad matchups along the way.
The Oklahoma City thing, though, was still continues to be alarming, right, Like,
they had three essentially three m v P future m
vps all the team met once in Oklahoma City and
could have kept them all and chose not to do so.
And now they have one and he's a free agent

(01:19:08):
at the end of next year, and we're all operating
this assumption always gonna stay, he's gonna stay. Never assume
that's actually radio one on one is never assumed. You
guys know that, right. Never assume you can't. Never say
you know what I'm saying, because people don't actually know
what you're saying. Now I'm saying not. I I got

(01:19:29):
no idea actually what you're saying. I really don't know
what you're talking about, sir. Here's what I want you
to do for next hour. Okay, that's a little class project.
To those of you on serious sex time, you're gonta
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Treater dot com or your terrestrial radio affiliate? Terrestrial sounds
like a spacey word, but it's really not. It's just
your normal radio stations. Okay, hey, MFM dial like it's
such a that's such an industry termament. Terrestrial radio, Like
I don't have a dress your radio? Like, yeah, you
actually do. You've had one. You have a car, you

(01:20:11):
have a radio and one that is band doesn't mean
it actually plays band a band. He's like, I don't
want to hear a band. I don't wanna press that button.
That's that's dress your radio. Anyway, here's the class project.
I want you to think of a movie character that
you most wish your life would emulate. Okay, it's a

(01:20:35):
class project. Come up with a movie character that you
want your life to mostly emulate. Because I have this
kind of working theory that Lebron James has a movie
character that he's trying to emulate, and last night he
showed us who that character was. That's next to the

(01:20:56):
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Uh whoa, yeah right, Ramo's no problem. We're gonna take

(01:21:26):
you to Cleveland, try and figure out why David Griffin
got acted and what exactly is next for the Cavaliers
taking to Chicago with there's a lot of talk of
Jimmy Butler to Cleveland, Jimmy Butler out of going out
of town, and we'll take you to l A with
the Lakers around the clock with the number two pick
plus they're apparently engaged in at least some form of
trade discussion with Paul George, who has said he'd preferred

(01:21:50):
to be an l A laker. I got guys everywhere.
We're taking you to those guys up coming next. So
much to get to, so much to get to. There
are a favorite movie like in college? Um and this
is there's no um, there's no case, there's no like

(01:22:11):
scientific study. But I believe that during my era of college,
the posters on the wall were in no particular or
scarface number one, Blushi with the college sweatshirt. Number two,
Tupac uh would be number three, Um, Bob Marley with

(01:22:34):
that big, big gass joint in his mouth. Number four. Um,
and I'm trying to think it would be number five.
Maybe people would have the old school Jordan Wings poster
up a little bit. I think there's somebody else I'm
missing five. But oftentimes people like to not just emula,
not just emulate their their movie heroes, but almost mimic them. Right.

(01:23:01):
You take away quotes and you used how many times
do you look up? How many times use a movie
quote in during the day? Guys, most of us always
you're killing me small as you are killing me sand Lot. Right,
there's tons of lines from movies, big haired Lemma, flowing robes.

(01:23:22):
Grace didn't real the story, right, Caddy Shack, he ain't first,
your last. That's Ricky Bobbie. I will take a night
so everybody has them in. But there's like a whole
different level of what Lebron seems to be doing in Cleveland.

(01:23:43):
Lebron talks about, tweets about does interviews about The Godfather
and um. Last night, David Griffin was officially parted ways
with the Cavaliers organization and Lebron I don't know if
he was subtweeting the owner, Dan Gilbert, or whether he's

(01:24:06):
simply keep making sure the world knew that his hands
we're not dirty, right. I did not commit this crime.
I don't know nothing. I don't know anything about the
murder downtown officer. I'm simply a small businessman, small family businessman.
He sounded like Michael or Vito Corleone, and I do

(01:24:32):
I feel like at some point he's gonna go up
to uh pat Riley and kiss him on the mouth.
And I knew it was you all along, afraid. Oh right, Well,
maybe he does it to Dan Gilbert. I don't know.
The point is this dude loves the Godfather. People come in,
they gotta kiss the ring. He's got all his guys.

(01:24:55):
He's got his CONSTANTLIERI Rich Paul, who just happens to
be the agent for like everybody else on the team.
It's got Maverick Carter like, he's got all these different
business interests, and he's completely gone legit. He's completely legit.
But last night there was a murder in Cleveland. David
Griffin's career was oft ended, finished and lebron Jay's first

(01:25:18):
thing he said was he had an alibi. I always
I always appreciate you, even if no one else did.
He wants to be the Godfather. You broke my heart.
So here's the question. I kind of know where Ramos
is gonna go. You gotta pick a movie character that

(01:25:42):
you either have found yourself wanting to be or you
would you would really like to emulate, like in your
everyday life, if I could be that guy. I already
know who who mine is, but I want to hear yours.
Let's start with you Ryan Music, who is it? I'm
gonna go with Bradley Cooper. Yeah, hold on, I want

(01:26:06):
to be Bradley Cooper. Okay, Bradley Cooper in the movie Limitless.
So Eddie Mora is his name in the movie A
Limitless where he takes the pill and then and then
he so yeah, the the it goes back to that
idea that we only use a small portion of our brain,
and so there's this pill out there that unlocks the

(01:26:27):
rest of your brain. So it becomes like super smart.
He reinvents his life. He becomes like this like stock
market guru guy who makes all this money. There's some
other like sketchy things that he kind of gets involved with.
And then at the end spoiler alert, you end up
finding out that his brain becomes so advanced he doesn't
even have to take the pill anymore to be super smart.

(01:26:47):
So he did spoil for me because I know the
movie but haven't seen the movie. Thank you. It was,
but it's been it's been out since two thousand eleven,
six years old. There is something funny though about like
if you if you've ever and people go through this,
if you ever come out of a movie, like if
I went and saw Limitless and I came back like
I wanted to talk about with you, Like we've all

(01:27:08):
seen it, Doug, we saw it six years ago. I
still I want to talked about this movie. No, but
it was so so good. It was so damn good.
All right, So you want to be the lead character
from Limitless and you want to be anymore? All right?
What about you? I there's got to be some sort
of Star Wars reference framos Is that who you want

(01:27:29):
to There is? And it's not Darth Vader, It's Luke Skywalker.
Because Luke looks whiny, forget about that. The point is
that I'm not whiny, but forget about the point is
that he has a lot of light side in him.
But as we're finding out now, there's some dark side
as well. Oh there's there's dark. There's there's definitely dark.
I would have thought, like Han Solo would have been
more I guess cocky. For me, I'm not that. I'm

(01:27:53):
not very cocky. There there's a dark side to you.
Isn't there a dark side to everybody? Currently? Apparently that's
what makes it interesting and unique? Um bye? What about you?
How about Ferris Bueller? Ah? Yeah, I'm good answer, good answer,

(01:28:14):
good answer. But as an adult, could you really get
away with being Ferris? But let's it's kind of there's
another there's a character of college character Ferres Bye was
the high school version Van Wilder because it was it
was also Ryan Reynolds right, like you wouldn't want to
be Round Rowns. I would Royn Browns would be. But
but why Ferris Buell like, how would you how that
he lives his life? Would you want to live your
life if you could? Well? I like how he is cool?

(01:28:37):
How he everybody at school likes him. You know, he's
the he's the cool kid who seems pretty carefree, gets
the girl you know, has the has the cute girl. Yeah, yeah,
and uh and uh. I can get away with it
and be smooth at the end. Great John Hughes movie,
good reference. I'm I'm good with it. Mine would actually
believe be Alec Baldwin's character in Glen Garry Glenn Ross right.

(01:29:00):
The coffee is for closers, you know, ABC always be closing,
always be closing. Attention? Do I have your attention? Right?
You know what you know at second places? Gus? Do
you know at second places gust the intern? Do you
know it is second place to take a gus? Second

(01:29:24):
place to set a stake? Nice you got third places,
gus their place, you're fire. First prizes of Cadillac, second
prize is steak nice their prices, you're fired. Put that
coffee down clothing like, that's who I I want to be.
That coffee is for closers. Yeah, you see that. You
see that car over there. You see this watch. This

(01:29:44):
watch costs more than how much you made all of
last year. That's my name. It's so good. So I
I get that Lebron wants to be Don Corleone by
Michael more More Michael Corleoni officer. I got nothing to
do with what happened in Cleveland. I always liked the guy.

(01:30:05):
I had no problem with David Griffin. But if the
Don said, if Don Corleone, he said, nobody touches him, right,
nobody touches David Griffin. You hear me today, This is
from Don Corleone himself. Nobody touches David Griffin. You touch
David Griffin, You've got a problem with me. You understand.

(01:30:29):
If that would have happened, David Griffin's career would still
be alive today. Instead, he's sprawled out in the streets
in Cleveland. Chalk outline you can share with us. Who
what movie character you most like to embody kind of
your alter ego? If you will at Gottlieb shows the

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(01:33:07):
says I'd like to be John Creasy from Man on Fire,
Man on Fire on Fire movie. Yeah, Denzel Washington, I
mean who First of all, you just say Denzel Washington
wouldn't want to be Denzel washed, right right, Um, but
and then he had he had the kind of money
quote here forgivenesses between them and God. It's my job

(01:33:27):
to arrange the meeting. That's badass. Quote right there. Quote
there's lots of Clint Eastwood characters you like to be right,
unforgiven Clint Eastwood after he after he sobers up, Ryan,
we all got to come into us sometimes strong. There's

(01:33:47):
this has been a crazy twenty four hours in the NBA.
Crazy fretency isn't here yet, draft isn't here yet, but
all kinds of potential movement. The best way to catch
you up is the uch up with our guys. We
don't know everything, but we know people that know what
you want to know. You know sounds like you meet

(01:34:09):
a guy, I got a guy. We got people everywhere.
Let's go to our guy in Cleveland. Chris Bador joins
us from the from Cleveland dot Com. They'll happen, Chris
David Gribbs like life, Dag who went to finals we lost?
Like I will add some pieces like now, um, what

(01:34:30):
what happened? Doug Dan Gilbert happened. That's the only thing
that I can say. I mean, this is a guy
who has shown throughout his time as the owner of
the Calvs that he simply does not value the general
manager position. He has never brought back at GM on
a second contract, and it doesn't matter how successful the
guy is. He feels like that position is replaceable. Um,

(01:34:52):
it's some that he can go with somebody like Chauncey Billups,
or he can go with somebody to help Chauncy Billips
along the way, and that guy, for whatever reason, he
feels like that that guy can do as good of
a job, if not a better job than the guy
that previously did it. Um. Lebron came out with his
tweet of of kind of support. But isn't this the

(01:35:13):
same general manager that he criticized, maybe not personally, but
his work for mid season in terms of of his
supporting cast. Yeah, I think that's fair, And I think
that was more about putting pressure on David Griffin, and
I think that was about trying to put the right
pieces around him to win a championship. The way that
Lebron always is, He's always going to try and keep

(01:35:34):
pressure on the organization. So that he's got the best
chance against whoever it is, to win a championship. At
the same time, Lebron Doug has also gone on record
numerous times and stated that David Griffin is somebody who
has made a lot of moves with very little in
terms of resources that he can try and make those
moves with. And Lebron has also gone on record saying

(01:35:56):
that he believes that general manager David Griffin deserved a
contract extension and should have been brought back and nobody
should have been taking for granted some of the things
that he was able to accomplish, the trade that he
made for j R. Smith and Emon Chumpert, the trade
that he made for Timo Mascot, the trade that he
made for Channing Fry, and the way that he had
to manipulate the cap and get all these different things

(01:36:19):
moving in the right direction in order for those trades
to happen. Lebron said time and time again that that
should not be taken for granted. Okay, but but he
didn't do the Jimmy Chitwood. Now, he didn't say he goes,
I go right um so so so, so he kind
of washed his hands of it when he could have.
He could have used his powerful leverage. All right, So

(01:36:40):
does Chauncey Billups. Does Chauncey Billips become the next general manager?
I think you can call him whatever you want to
call him. I think, um, he's going to be in
some role in this front office, whether it's President of
basketball Operations, whether it's general manager. So he's going to
get some kind of title, I would think. And the
thing that helps him is the he's got relationships with

(01:37:01):
the three most important people in the organization, Dan Gilbert, Tyler,
who is very close with Jaunty Billips, and then of
course Lebron who was close with Chauncey Billips as well.
So that's going to help Chauncy. But at the end
of the day, the guy that's going to be calling
the shops is the same guy that has been calling
the shops since he took over ownership of the team.
It's Dan Gilbert. And he's going to have some say,

(01:37:22):
I don't know how much today, but some say in
basketball related decisions the way that he always has. All Right,
last thing, really quickly, who's most likely to be a
Cavalier next year? In order one through four? Okay, Kevin
Love Kevin Love, Paul George, uh, Carmelo Anthony, and Jimmy

(01:37:43):
Butler one through four. Guy, It's so interesting that you
bring this up, Doug, because Chauncey Billips even said on
TV throughout the course of this year that he would
make a trade for Kevin Love and Carmelo Anthony, bring
Carmelo Anthony to the calf, So that that makes me
rethink this one. But but I'll put it as Jimmy Butler,
Paul George, Kevin Love, Carmelo Anthony. Wait wait wait, Jimmy Butler,

(01:38:09):
Paul George, then Kevin Love. Yeah. I don't think the
Calves would make a move for Carmelo if it involves
Kevin Love. But I think if they could get Jimmy
Butler somehow, it's probably a three team trade or Paul
George somehow. Again, probably a three team trade for Kevin Love.
They'd be willing to do that because I think they
learned in the NBA Finals that two of their four

(01:38:29):
highest paid guys Tristan Thompson Kevin Love cannot play together
effectively against the Warriors. Great playing Christopher Door. It's going
to be a fun couple of weeks here in Cleveland.
Thanks so much for joining us. You got it always is,
I got a guy. Casey Johnson joins us. He covers
the Bulls beat for the Chicago Tribune. Where is Where
are we with the potential Jimmy Butler trades? I mean,

(01:38:52):
you know, there's obviously a lot of smoke out there
are a lot of rumors. Uh, that's pretty typical for
draft week. I would say a couple of things they're
from From what I've been told, really nothing has changed
regarding the Bulls. They recognized that Jimmy is a franchise centerpiece.
They also recognize he's their own main asset. Um. So um,

(01:39:14):
they recognize that, they recognize that um, that that he needs. Um.
I'm sorry. They recognized that this is the opportunity if
if they're gonna get, if they're gonna choose, do full rebuild,
that this is the week they need to do something.
But they're not going to give them away. They they've
been very consistent, um with a high asking price. So

(01:39:38):
what are they? What are they? What's a high asking price?
What do they want? Will you just look at last
June and I apologize for losing my trans there. I
was getting some information that I needed. Um. Last June
they had serious talks with with the Celtics, and um
they were taught asking for three three assets and some
permutations of the deal they're asking for four. Uh, it

(01:40:00):
was the three pick, the sixth team pick, and either
Jake Crowder or Avery Bradley sometimes both. So I mean
you're looking at viable rotation players and high draft picks.
So I mean Jimmy Butler's an All NBA players, So
you know, they recognize that they're gonna do a full rebuild.
He's the piece they need to move. But they're also
not just going to give them away. So if a

(01:40:21):
team gives him, gives them what they've considered good value,
it's a route they would be grudgingly take. But um,
they also recognized they have the piece of the teams want.
Um Dwayne Wade, he picks up the option right like,
he's not gonna get twenty four million anywhere else, and
so he'll just swallow is probably playing a bad team

(01:40:43):
in his hometown and then go elsewhere the following year.
I mean, look, you can just go by what people
have can have said, and Dayne has been remarkably consistent
and transparent about it. He said three things are gonna
drive my decision. Money, family, team status. The Bulls check
two of those three boxes, regardless of what happens with
Jimmy Bula, because they pay the most money and they

(01:41:05):
provide a chance for his family to live in his hometown,
a thing that he liked last season. So I do
you know, the Bulls have been under the impression all
along he's gonna pick up his option. Obviously, Dwayne has
a final decision, and he could have a change of
heart between now and June seven. I don't expect that.
I do think he'll be back with the Bulls. Mark
Casey Johnson, Bulls beat writer from the Chicago Tribune, gonna

(01:41:27):
be interesting Draft week in the Second City. Thanks so much, Casey.
All right, thanks for having me on. I gotta got
a guy in l A. Mark Medina covers the Lakers
beat for the l A Daily News. Mark, Let's let's
start with the with the Paul George front. Where are
the Lakers in the trade discussions? Well, they've had some
initial discussions, but I want to say that they are

(01:41:48):
really substantial. The Lakers have been holding firm that they
want to keep their number to pick and brandon Ingram.
That's something that they've been reiterating a lot of calls
that they've both fielded and made in the past month,
ever since the NBA lottery ended about a month ago.
And so it's gonna be really complicated and uncertain if
if they will wind up getting a Paul George deal.

(01:42:11):
That and the fact that they know that Paul George
wants to go to the Lakers, they may well think, hey,
they should just wait for another season. But where it
gets complicated if another team gets involved, that is, you know,
more constructed to to compete for an NBA championship. Um, okay,
what about the number two pick? First, is the number
two pick up for trade? What would would they would

(01:42:32):
they come off that under any circumstance. I wanted to
say that, I wouldn't say that. They definitely would not
come off of it under any circumstance. The Lakers have
been pretty have been keeping all options on the table,
but they've been leaning strongly against it. They're very mindful
of what this number two pickuld do. And you know,
all all things considered, the sediment is that Lonzo Ball

(01:42:55):
is going to be that guy. So I think they're
very reluctant to part with that because of what his
skills said is and you know just how many boxes
he checks for their needs in terms of having established
point guard, having a guy who can run the offense
and thinks passed first, and then giving them some flexibility
with the Angel Russell, whether that involves moving him off
the ball or including him in one of these trade packages. Um,

(01:43:19):
who is the Lebron news or the news of the
shake up in the front office with the Cleveland Cavaliers.
They they have come out and said, look, we want
to be in the free agent market next year outside
of Paul George, who are their likely targets? Is it Lebron,
is it Russell Westbrook? Who? Who else do they ultimately

(01:43:39):
want to land in order to go with Brandon Ingram
and Lunza Ball Oh. I mean, the Lakers would certainly
love to have those players. I don't think that they're
you know, thinking that far ahead of Hey, they have
a really good chance of getting those guys. I think
what they're thinking is, of course they're mapping out as
far as I understand, the free agents for the next
five years, as far as you know, just their numbers

(01:44:00):
are going to be what they can afford to get
under the cap, that sort of thing. But I think
the the hope right now, short term is to not uh,
you know, get rid of too much of their young roster.
Hit some singles, hit some doubles and then and their view,
that gives Luke Walton kind of a foundation to build on.
So they are in striking distance next summer with Paul George.

(01:44:23):
And then they see it basically as a domino effect
that they are able to get Paul George. That can
open up, you know, a can of worms for all
these other guys to follow suit. Great stuff. Mark Medina,
Lakers beat writer from the l A Daily News. You
follow them on Twitter, specially getting ready for this NBA
draft in the free agency season. Mark, thanks so much
for joining us in the Doug out Leap Show. And Doug,
thanks so much for having me on. So you needed

(01:44:44):
a guy, we got you a guy. All right. Now,
we'll get to these stories that you may have missed
after we find out quickly what's trending. In five minutes,
I got We're given away a a big Green Egg
Ramos killing the Big Green Egg Kenny Ramos. Do you cook?

(01:45:06):
I do mean? Okay, like, great, Yeah, what's your what's
your go to barbecue? Wise? No, no no, it doesn't it
doesn't have to be eggs, eggs. Yeah, how do you
make eggs? I like him sunny side up? So I know,
you know I could do that. Really, Sorry, that's not really,

(01:45:27):
that's not for You're right, it's not great. It's not bad,
and be like, look, it's not like you you're gonna starve. No,
but it's also not like I can't wait to go
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make the best eggs ever. They told you that they're liars,

(01:45:49):
that they're there. You know. Uh, music do you cook?
I do? What do you make? I like to grill
and I like to roast vegetables. I'd say that's usually
a staple on what I prepare. So how do you
roase vegetables? Usually do a little bit of olive oil,
a variety of spices, Broil them in the oven. Broil
them in the oven. I love that. What's what's like

(01:46:09):
your favorites? Broccoli, cauliflower, carrots, potatoes. They do kale kales
very good that way as well. Yeah, I don't. I
don't do the bakes. Kale bake hill is fantastic, like
kale chips. It's really really really have to try it out. Um.
And then when you grill, how do you like you
have a do you marinate? You just like I'm just
throwing on there, throws some salt and pepper on and

(01:46:30):
eat it. Uh yeah, I mean I tend to depends
on what it is. Um. Like for Father's Day we
did a try tip with some dry rub and then
once it's grilling, put a little Worcestershire on there. So yeah,
I like that. What about you, Dan Buyer? Are you?
Are you a big big cook? You cook? Um? I
I do somewhat um more basic stuff, baking chicken, maybe

(01:46:53):
grilling some steaks here and there, marinated a little bit
like you know you mentioned with Ryan, throw it in
the oven if finish it off. I like that. My
My my personal go to marinade is very very simple. Lemon, olive, oil, salt, pepper,
right like almost anything tastes good in that swordfish could
that same thing with with chicken anyway, if you're a
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(01:47:15):
In five minutes, five minutes from now, I'll tell you
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more than five. We got a punch here, we got
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(01:47:39):
Let's try and get all nine in the press the press,
Dan buyer, what do you got for me, buddy? I'm
aut Vada in Las Vegas getting in on the Paul
George talk. They've already placed odds dug on where Paul
George will play his first game next season. The odds
on favorite right now Indiana Pacers two to three odds
there with the Laker second best odds thirteen to four. Calves, Clippers, Wizards,

(01:48:03):
and Sons also have some numbers on them, but the
Pacers still the favorite for where Paul George will play
Game one next season. Fascinating Wizards there at five, You know, like, look,
the Wizards need that third score, really need another perimeter
player and might and like, of these teams outside of
the Calves, wouldn't the Wizards be the most floridable if

(01:48:24):
you added him? Maybe the Clippers, but in the Wizards
in the East, you had Paul George what they already have.
Now you'd have to trade something in return, and I'm
not sure what that would be like would that be
in would you have to give up an auto porter
who led the NBA in three point shooting? Like? I
don't know, but I think that's that's that's a trade
worth making any other team was a four to one
on those odds, and it was fascinating. Spurs center Pargosol

(01:48:46):
gonna opt out of his contract, but intends to sound
a new deal with san Antonio. I know, Doug, you
say when players opt out, it's not a big deal.
But Pargosol actually see something in san Antonio is gonna
want to stick around. I think this is weird. I
thought he was a bad fit for san Antonio. The
they didn't like, They didn't necessarily like him. He's he's
a little soft he's you know, he's a little over
the hill. He doesn't necessarily mesh with pop and I

(01:49:10):
don't I don't love this. If I'm saying Antony he
opts out, I'd be like I was cool later, thanks,
thanks for the past season, or we'll move along. Let's
move along in the Great City of Texas down to Houston.
Sporting News says that the Rockets are trying to trade
guard Patrick Beverly. Beverly on board with the deal out
of Houston, as he has two years left on his contract. Well,

(01:49:34):
I think they're trying to trade him because they know
that they he can't be a starter for them to
win big right. It's like one of those It's like
what I've said about J. J Reddick, Like I love
JJ Reddick, I just don't think JJ Reddick, especially considering
they have Luco Shardon bottom move tape to three, Like
you can't start those two guys and compete for a
championship Like it's the ultimate flaw. It doesn't mean I

(01:49:55):
don't doesn't mean I don't like the Patrick Beverley story,
but he should be a backup if you want to
be a championship team. And so that's why they're trying
to move on maybe try to also match the Warriors
a little more scoring wise in that that position. We'll see
what Houston does with Patrick Beverley. How about some news
from the NFL. CBS Sports Jason Lockett Forest says there's
an eighty percent chance that Kirk Cousins signs a long

(01:50:15):
term extension with the Washington Redskins. Now, remember Cousin, uh
j LC lives in the Baltimore, d C. Area, tons
of connections there. And I do think we're getting to
the point of inevitability right where they already paid his
franchise tag for a year, they don't really want to
pay it this year. And he's not gonna get the
biggest contract in the history of the sport, but he

(01:50:36):
will get a pretty big one because otherwise they're gonna
pay him like twenty four million dollars this year. Um
if if, and look, if he doesn't work out this year,
there's the thought that they could still trade him to
the Niners because they would pay a substantial amount of
money this year, and the Niners have his guys running
the place speaking uh, Kyle Shanahan loves him, so I

(01:50:57):
think it does make sense and it will help the
cat flexibility of the Skins. Former Colts punter and now
current Barstool Sports reporter Pat McAfee says the only way
to make the Browns worse was by hiring his former
GM in Indianapolis, Ryan Grigson, which the Browns did as
a senior personnel executive. But Pat McAfee still holding a
grudge against his former boss. Well that's because his former boss,

(01:51:20):
Ryan Grigson, when he first got the job, said that
he would cut him if he could, but the only
the owner, Jim Ursay, wanted to keep him. Right's a
like this is one of the things, Like I know,
Pat McAfee's now a comedian and he's on bar stools,
which is very it's like a funny site. But he
didn't really offer up any substance as to why he
thought the GM was terrible. And look, I don't think
I thought Ryan Grigson did do a bad job, but

(01:51:42):
he didn't from he didn't give me any insight other
than he wanted to get rid of me, So now
I want to get rid of him. Like that's not
really that insightful. The FPGA tour Dug announced today revisions
to their drug policy that will begin at the start
of the next season and includes blood testing and the
public release of information of those who violate the rules,

(01:52:05):
So it would be made public, something the PGA Tour
did not do. If guys had substance abuse issues, they
would announce it if it was a p e. D situation.
But now if someone gets tested positive for drugs, that
will be made public on the PGA Tour. M Um,
well that would It's a little bit too late to

(01:52:26):
find out exactly what Dustin Johnson was doing to get
himself But Dustin Johnson was doing to get himself suspended
back back injury. Yes, Um, but I as much as
I feel like this is the violation of privacy, they
have to have the players have to agree to this, right,

(01:52:46):
this is not they have a players union. I love
the I don't know if the golfers have a union. Yeah,
I you know, and I'm not. I'm not that familiar.
I don't believe so. But um, the fact is is
the blood testing is also a big deal because, um,
it's just more thorough. So it's the change to the
PGA Tour. One other golf note to pass along. Phil

(01:53:08):
Michelson and his longtime caddy Jim Bones McKay split up
after twenty five years mutual decision. But Phil is going
to have his brother be his caddy for the rest
of the PGA Tour season and Bones is gonna look
and do something else. Maybe Bones didn't attend to Phil's
daughters graduation ceremony, that's why he got got cut. I
would say this Bill hasn't been playing well and now

(01:53:31):
he cuts his caddy. I don't think he missed the
US Open because he wanted to attend his daughter's graduation.
There's there's also this aspect of it fills in the
downside of his career. If Bones wanted to jump onto
a younger player, his career as a caddy will be
longer than Phil Michelson's probably as a player, and this
will allow Bones McKay to maybe find a younger talent

(01:53:51):
to let you in with over the next ten years.
Is Phil continues to pair down his schedule, Yeah, caddy
is kind of like the lefty reliever out of the pen, right, like,
you never you're not gonna make the money of the starter,
but you're always gonna have a gig if you're decent. Finally,
the Harlem Globe Driters guys hold their eleventh Anuel player
draft and today took six players, including Tim Tebow and

(01:54:12):
Aaron Judge. All here comes the Judge Draft. Analysts say
it's an A plus draft for the Harlem Globe trotter.
Washed in generals, by the way, who they are going
to play again, trade away all their picks in return
they got their shorts pulled back over their heads. That
actually happened today like that, And that's the press backing

(01:54:33):
out there and pressed. That was the press. You guys
like that. You guys like the the character thing, right,
So okay, here's the I said that Lebron wants to
embody all things Godfather. That's why he's kind of washing
his hand like pretending like he had nothing to do
with David Griffin being fired. If there was a movie
character who you would like you you you want your

(01:54:55):
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So we'll we'll have a nice little discussion. Um, we'll

(01:57:14):
have a nice little discussion with him on the show.
You guys figure out like if there's one like I
don't want a goofy question, but where you want to go?
Like I need to usually know. But if you something
you want to know about, Marquelle Folts will figure it
out tomorrow. In the meantime, I love getting inside of
your guy's minds. Take inside my mind. Gus had a
gust s. Actually you know, I guess you can get
the intern Gus wants to get in the microphone. Earlier

(01:57:36):
in the show, I said that I thought Lebron James
kind of embodied his inner Godfeather's inner Michael Corleone. Right,
where when somebody off When somebody off David Griffin last
night and the police came and knocked on his door.
Mr James, we'd like to talk to you about the
disappearance of David Griffin's career. Let's and I always liked him.

(01:58:04):
I always liked that kid. Who's a good kid. He
really was. And uh, I'm sad to see that somebody
didn't like him and off them. But I had nothing
to do with it. If no one appreciate you, Griff,
I did, and hopefully all the people of Cleveland thanks

(01:58:25):
for what you did for the team for three years.
We got us one championship. Right, It's like I had
nothing to do with it, Officer. But remember if Don Corleone,
he says, nobody touches David Griffin, you understand, you understand
it's a Sicilian death wish. Nobody touches David Griffin. Lebron

(01:58:50):
is fascinated by the Godfather and had he wanted to
offer his protection to David Griffin, he could have. So
let's not act like he had nothing to do with
So I said, if there's one movie character that you'd
liked your life, to your alter ego to embody, who
would it be? Gus the Intern? Who is it? Well?

(01:59:10):
I went to the generic right at first, and I
was gonna say iron Man because he's a superhero and
because you're twelve, that's what a stupide euro batman? Iron Man.
Iron is not actually a superhero though he's he's actually
super smart and evince a way to save his heart
and he's just really really yeah, he's got a lot

(01:59:32):
of a lot of money. Right, so all right, now,
upon second, upon further review, who is it? I went
with a throwback. I went young Vince Vaughn swingers, Skinny
Vince vawn Singer. Let's just be honest, skinny Vince Vaughn swingers?
What why not Vince Vaughn wedding crash. Let's just be honest, right,
Vince fawns Why Vince Vaughn? Uh? Swingers? Skinny Vince Vawn Swingers.

(01:59:58):
I don't know. He's he's smart, he's suave, he gets
the ladies, gush that runs me, you gus, and completely
I'm sure he's slay dude, there's no question. Uh uh.
Chakra Ramos went with something Star Wars because that's the

(02:00:21):
kind of Dorky is named and his son named his
son Luke Lucas Lucas after Georgia, after George Lucas, not
after Luke Skywall is correct, but we call him Luke,
which is kind of interesting. Do you do you like
wake him up? Sometimes? Ago, Luke? I am you old father?
Do that to him? I do not, Yes, music. We

(02:00:46):
got a couple of good tweets here from some of
the listeners at Rouserboy, Tom Cruise and Top Gun. He
also threw in James Bond, you just say any Tom
Cruise character, like, give me a Tom Cruise character. Let's
Jay McGuire, Tom Cruise, arrogant agent, right, cocky agent Tom
Cruise in you know right, mavericktop Gun, cocky fighter pilot right, um,

(02:01:13):
a few, a few good few, good men, cocky naval
the lawyer right, maybe lawyer Michian impossible, cocky Cei agent
right like. He actually plays the exact same, with the
exception of born in the fourth of July and and
the then the the spot appearance in Tropical Tropic Thunder,
which he makes fun of himself, which is fantastic. He

(02:01:33):
plays the same character in here. But but if that's
you one embody. That's fine. And this this one also
Mike from Boston says Rusty from Ocean's eleven Man, he
is smooth, Rusty from Ocean's Left. That's a good one.
And if you listen to the show long enough, you
know that my dad wanted to name me Rusty. That
was actually that was his first choice. And thankfully, uh,
he did not have he did not have the call.

(02:01:54):
At the end of the day, my name is Doug
and this Doug is a white right. Marquelle folds tomorrow,
so that means both Cindy Kats and Rye Music get
to keep their jobs because they've done well, done well,
and we will talk to you that as we get
ready to see who gets traded. This is Doug Otlip Show.

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