New Year, New Drama

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what the hell is going on? Gottlieb? Hello, this is
what we're doing. You're on that count What do you
think the countdown was for? Somebody has to explain this
to me. Are you probably thought it was New Year's theme. No,
that was to let you know when you're on the air.
So we'll try again. Here's Doug Gottlieb and former Pro
Bowl wide receiver t J. Hushman Zada Long Summer Man,

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t J. Hushman Zada'm Doug Gottlieb, But welcome in Happy
New Year two thousand. Fairly knew you here we are
Man it's great to be guest hosting for Dan Patrick,
Dan and Dan Nettes back very very soon. In the meantime,
we're getting you ready for January first, which used to

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be like the coolest day of the year used to be.
It's now still kind of a cool day and we
have Bowl games, but it's not the same, right, Like,
do you remember how old are you? This is? This
is one of those how old are you? If you're
old enough, you remember when January one had all the

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big Bowl games. If you're old enough, though, you also
remember that I believe New Year's Eve had this terrible
Walt Disney Orange Bowl Parade that was like like the
Rose Parade. Don't get me wrong, You could not pay
me to sleep overnight on the streets of Pastina, get
up early in the morning and watch a bunch of
floats go by that are made out of rose petals.

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It feels like a colossal waste of time and especially
a waste of rose petals. I'm not saying it's not amazing.
No one's sitting here saying like, hey, it's not really
impressive what they do with rose petals. But but I
would also tell you that it's just rose petals, and

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they don't look nearly as cool up up close, like
you're sitting there class like, whoa, there's another float. WHOA,
there's a dragon. Whoa, there's some horses. I do like
the bands. I just you couldn't pay me enough. Anyway.
The point is there used to be a progression in
all these bowl games, and it would end up with
whatever the big game that would decide the national championship

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would be, whether that was the Orange Bowl. A lot
of times, you know, a team from the Big Eight,
like Nebraska or Oklahoma would be taking on Miami or
something like that. You all said the Fiesta Bowl, the
Rose Bowl, the Granddaddy, the mall, always starting in the
afternoon with as beautiful as setting as possible. Look, we
still have the Rose Bowl and the Sugar Orange is

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obviously apparently already been played. That's what we're calling the
semi finals that were played in Miami. The Peach was
the other one, and now we have a national championship
game Monday. But I will say that like one of
the things that's gotten one of the things that's gotten
screwed up. One of the things that's gotten screwed up

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is in the college ball playoff as bowl games? T
J Hush Benzata When you were in Organs State, did
you guys play a ball game? Forest? The ball? Was that?
The last one at night? Which? How who is that
against the team that should have been in the college
football playoffs this year? Should have? Should not have? Yeah,
when we stomped not her name out, I forgot about that.

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You guys? Did you guys? Did you guys did blast? No?
Notre Dame? Um? What was it? What was it? A
New Year's Day? Was like late? Was that the last
game New Year's Do you remember what it was? It was? Well,
it was a BCS game, but you know what they
called the BCS thing? So when I was playing, it
was Fiesta Bowl, Sugar Bowl, Orange Bowl, and Rose Ball.

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Those were the four premier bowl games, and so lucky
we're fortunate enough to get one of them. Then you
guys stomped Notre Dame. Stump didn't play the second half
because it was so bad. It was that bad. We're up.
I'm guessing thirties something to zero. Who else do you
guys have myself? Chad quarterback was Jonathan Smith, who's not

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a head coach at Oregon State. Ken Simonson. Our defense
was loaded though we're big and fast. Nick Barnett, Dwine Edwards,
they both played over ten years in NFL. James Allen,
the Lawrence Grant led Darius Jackson, Dennis Weathersby, Keith Heyward.
Johnson needs a DV coach at Oregon now Trell Roberts,

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Richard Siegler. We we had a really good team. And
how long into the game did you know, like, these
guys are terrible, they're not at not at our level.
It was probably probably the first series. I mean, we
we rolled him. I believe we scored pretty much every
possession in the first half, and you were like, these guys,
what what was it about them that wasn't as good

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as they just weren't as fast as we were. They
And you know that these games, how it works is
when you the banquet, you're supposed to interact with each other,
and they really didn't want to interact with us, and
so our coaches kind of made that a point prior
to the game. What do you mean they wanted to
act with you? We were told going into it, like

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for instance, it's five guys at a table, say it'd
be two of us and three at ohs and vice
versa at each table, but at the banquet that didn't.
It didn't go that way. It was just our team
at every table, our coaches at every table, was supposed
to be it. We're supposed to intermigal. But why I
don't know. I don't know. Our coaches just said they're

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not doing it. Who's your who is your coach? Er? Oh,
that's right. That's when you guys had a rolling yeah,
and then like, look, I know we want to get
to the topics today. You had a crazy path to
get to Organs Stay. Didn't you like not finish high school? Yeah?
I didn't graduate from high school. Did you play football
high school? One year? Okay, so we give me, give me,
give me the path you got started high schools, the

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freshman ware in Barstow, Barstow, California. Wait, nothing happens in Barstow.
I've never heard. I've never met anyone in my life
who lived in Barstow, Barstow. For people who are listening
to Dan Patrick show nationwide, when people and they still
drive from l A to Vegas. That used to be
the stop where you'd always stopped there because they at
the world's biggest McDonald's. Is that what happened? You went

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to McDonald's. You're like, hang out here for a while.
Pretty much. It's really nothing to do out there, But
I'm friends with the guys that I really deal with
now to this day. They all still live out there,
all of them. Okay, so you go Barston. How many
years I went to Barstone High School? I got there
midway through my freshman I grew up in Barstone, number one,

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but I moved back and forth with my mother. Um,
my grandmother lived in Barston. My mother was back and
forth between different states, Texas, Oklahoma, out here. Um, So
I went half of the year my freshman year, moved
back wherever my mother was at. My sophomore year, I

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probably went to high school about half of the year
my junior year, would you do the rest other half
of the year? Like this is a fascinating to me, Like,
I don't know, I've I've never met honestly, Like and
you and I have been friends for years, I've never
met anybody. Was like, well, I went to high school
and then I went to college, and then it was
pretty much I was just pretty much. I was literally
when I was in my sophomore year. I was probably

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just now getting the bed around this time. What would
you do? Just be out? Yeah, but you don't drink
and you don't smoke. Never smoked anything and day in
my life. Okay, so what would you do? I just
be hustling. What was hustling? Just trying to make some
money selling what? Just selling weed? Whatever I could? So
you sold weed but didn't smoke weed, never smoked. It

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a damn my life. Okay? So you did you get
kicked out of high school? Or you just leave high school?
So my senior year I played football. That was the
only year I played, and uh, once grades came out,
I didn't go to school. I went to school literally
at lunch. Fifth period I think I probably had a
sixth period was football and that was it. So we

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went through football. Once grades came out, I got kicked out.
I got kicked off the basketball team because I was
playing basketball, And I was just like, why am I
going to school if I can't play sports? So I
just stop going. And then how did you end up
at organ State like I went to? I went to
Serrito's Junior College and but without without it, did you
get to take a g D or what you don't
need I eventually got my g D after my first

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year at junior college. But you do not need a
g D, at least you didn't at that time to
get into college. I just took the assessment test and
if I scored high enough, I was good. Um. And
so I scored high enough. After my first year, the
coach at Serritos was like, you have a chance to
go to college, you should just go get your g D.
And so I went and took the test and then
you get your A after how many years? I was

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at three dolls a year and a half. And then
you go to Oregon State. Yeah, I was on the
dean's list in organ State. I don't want people to
think I was an idiot. You're not. I was an
idiot in my choice is not an idiot. That's intellectually correct.
That's that's the crazy thing about about like our friendship,
Like I don't know if you remember I had you
on the other place past. I remember, I mean that

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that's and I was like, and then I remember reading
about your story. We've talked about it periodically, but no,
people don't like go back through it. And I remember
thinking like, this is the craziest thing I've ever heard,
because he's super bright, and it's just like, again, it
wasn't important to you, Yeah, you know what it was.
It was just I hustled from the time I was
thirteen or fourteen years old. I was just in the
streets hustling, and luckily for me, I never really got

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in trouble. And that's just pure luck really. To be
honest with you, I'm not. My mother has four kids,
only one of them graduated from my school. And and well,
did you technically are you the one? You? Are you
counting yourself My younger my sister didn't graduate. I got
a brother that's under me that he did not graduate.

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He got in trouble when he was in the ninth
grade and didn't get out of jail until he was
twenty two. And then the younger brother, he's the only
one graduating. Fast forward to that. And of course you're
most known and playing in the NFL for the Cincinnati Bengals. Yeah,
Marvin Lewis gets fired yesterday. And when you got to
the Bengals, they were the Bungles, right, they were they were?

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That was Chris Henry, right, that was that well, Chris
Henry came later when people don't understand, like, you know,
I know a lot of people they're there on Marvin
heads made mainly like a guy like Stephen A. Smith,
But he doesn't he doesn't understand. When I got the
Cincinnati Dick Lebo was the head coach. Dick Lebo cool

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as hell, but Dick Lebo as a coach for veteran players.
We were young, dude, we didn't stand hotels. It'd be
Saturday night. We play on Sunday. Guys are out to
like three or four in the morning, and you got
to be at the stadium at ten o'clock to play
a game. And it was just the culture and it

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was just completely different from once Marvin got there, and
we're like, oh wow, things changed completely. So how did
he get a bunch of guys or young guys that
had I mean, like, look, this is the way you
grew up, right, So it's not like the Marvel this
is what I do? How I how he done it?
How does how does a how does a guy who's uh,
a guy who's never been head coach? And he hadn't

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been a head coach, not like he He came from
Baltimore obviously, and they had a bunch of success. Everyone
talks about changing culture, how do you do it? It
was more so in the way it was either you're
gonna change or you're not gonna be here, because immediately
he brought guys in from Washington and or Baltimore. So

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he's bringing in guys like Sam Adams, and it was
either you change or you're not gonna be here. And
for me it was I was hurt my first couple
of years. I'm rarely played, so I had no choice,
either you're gonna get it together, You're not gonna be here.
It was people really have no idea, like in a

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professional locker room, like training camp. For instance, my rookie year,
I believe training camp was sit t weeks. I don't
think I've ever said this publicly, but I'm gonna say
it now. Normally every team has training camp security. We
didn't have security. So my friend my Ricky year in Cincinnati,
it was like twenty strippers came onto our training camp.

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We didn't. We stayed at Georgetown College strippers from midnight
to five am, and it was like our training camp
grounds were the strip club every day every day. And
I was like, are you I'm calling my buddies that
are rookies across the NFL, like, Hey, is your training

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camp like this? They're like nah. So I was like wow,
And that's those type of things were going on. So
then when Marvin got there, we got training camp security
right at the front. They're checking every car that comes
on that. Just little stuff like that was like, wow,
we got security here now. It was just it was

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completely different. Okay, So that's we I want. I want
more instances and more stories. I want to get your
reaction to Marvin being fired yesterday. Okay, we'll get to this.
It's called a tease in the business, right. I gotta
I got a tease. I gotta make people continue, like, man,
this stuff is gold, just right, I'm writing this stuff down. Um,
but more stories from t Ja Hushman Zada. We do

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want to talk about like, look, yesterday was Black Monday.
Now there's not eight coaching jobs that are open. Obviously
everyone's pointing out the number of African American coaches that
lost their job, like just kind of jumps off the chart.
Is there is there something to it? Um? I actually
think there's a there's a net positive in it, um
that that everyone else has missed time. We'll get to that.
Plus we got all the bowl games up coming later on,

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and we have the Antonio Brown discussion where, if you
haven't heard the story, Antonio Brown, he wasn't hurt on Sunday,
he was essentially suspended on Sunday for his behavior during
the week and then no showing on walkthrough and on
practice later on. Of course, t J, being a truculent,
egomaniacal wide receiver in his own right, can tell us

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what it's like. I've seen some of else practice. I
could only imagine in envision what that practice is like.
All right, coming up next, Tom Palasar is gonna join us.
He's a reporter for the NFL Network. We got his
sense of the the amount of dysfunction within the Pittsburgh
Steelers and how how you fix it, because, like, let's
be honest, Antonio Brown paying the ass yes, ridiculously talented

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wide receiver, yes, and under contract? So how do you
fix these issues in Pittsburgh. Plus we get you ready
for a wild card weekend where we have some incredible
matchups with t J. Hushman's out on Doug Gottlieb. Happy
New Year to you, it's gonna be a fun show
here in the Dan Patrick Show. Dog gotta leave t J.

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Hushman's out of here sitting for the end of the day.
Nets is dan Patrick Show, Fox Sports Radio. Wishing you
a happy New Year. I hope you're having a great one.
I hope everybody was safe last night, and you get
ready for some football tonight and of course wild Card
weekend up coming in the Nation Football League this following
Black Monday. In the NFL. Tom pelos Arro our guest

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from the NFL Network and and Tom, a quarter of
the league is changing coaches. Seems like a lot. Why
why do you think so much turned over this year? Well,
it is a lot, but it's not that awful historical norms,
the NFL turns over the entire league every four years
on average. Um. I think that what's unique about this

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year is that you don't have the typical type of
candidates that are available. Normally, you know, it's probably about
six hires end up being the hot veteran offensive coordinator types.
This year, those guys don't exist. I mean, you would
have said John D. Philippo was going to be that guy.
It doesn't work out for him. In Minnesota, he gets fired.
You have Josh McDaniels, who of course backed out on

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the Colt's last year. Um, he's in the mix again
and has a couple of requests for him. And then
you've really got a bunch of you know, relatively inexperienced guys,
Some guys haven't called plays, are only a briefly called plays.
And that's why you're seeing names like Eric b Enemy
with the Chiefs and Zach Taylor with the Rams um
getting you know, a decent amount of action at least
in terms of interview requests, just simply because you know,

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teams aren't exactly sure where they're going to find that guy.
And you're also seeing a bunch of teams that are
putting out a lot of requests. You know, you could
see teams do a dozen interviews or more simply because
there aren't that many targeted candidates outside of Mike McCarthy.
Well that that actually brings me to what I think
is a net positive. Like I understand when you look
at the number of African American coaches only two currently

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in the nash Football League. Uh, it does you know,
get somebody's attention. But one of the hardest things to
do or to have if you're a black head coach,
if you're a candidate, is do you have head coaching experience?
And now through some of these cycles, there is a
depth of guys the Jim Calwell's out there as well
as the Marvin Lewis's and others that have lost their job,

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but they do have head coaching experience, which is kind
of part of breaking through and changing some of the
ratios for the future. Is that is that a fair
way to look at it? Potentially you just have to think, then, Okay,
you know vance Joseph's tenure in Denver or Arizona with
Steve Wilkes, you know, tenures reflected well or poorly. I

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mean Steeve Wilkes is I don't know exactly, but I
believe he's in his late parties. You know, at one point,
if ever, does he get another opportunity. I think that
that's where, um, you have some issues here. Like you
go into you know, let's take Arizona as an example.
You come in with a team that signed Sam Bradford
for like twenty million dollars, You draft a quarterback high.
They didn't hire Steve Wilkes until like three weeks after

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last season ended, and so a lot of his picks
for assistant coaches were not available. He ends up it's
Mike McCoy. That doesn't work out. He gets fired by
mid season. Brattford's spence after like three games. He put
rolling in there on a team that does not have
a very good offensive line, that has a dearth of
weapons at least in terms of you know, experienced balls. Um,
the defense never played well, and I think that that

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was probably, you know, the biggest black mark on guilts
his tenure. But he using really challenging type of situation.
It is, GM gets an extreme d u I in
the summer and it is suspended for five weeks. I mean,
they had a lot of different challenges there, and so
for one year. You know, when other teams you're looking
at this, you know, was this his one opportunity? I mean,
you'd have to look up the the percentages of how

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often black coaches versus white coaches get a second opportunity
as a head coach. But I certainly don't think that
it's a you know, a really high number off the
top of my head. I mean, you'll see Hugh Jackson
obviously got a second shot after you know, the weirdness
that he had for one year in Oakland. Have guys
like Lovely Smith that got a second opportunity. But it's
not easy for any coach, much less black coaches to
get multiple opportunities. And so when guy get washed out

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after a year or two, you know your bands, Joseph,
and you're being told, all right, we gotta try to
play Paxton Lynch. You know, Okay, now here's case Key.
Now well here's you know, whatever it is. It's uh,
it's not easy, you know. So one of those guys
get second opportunities. I guess, you know, the next several
years will find out obviously that that's concerning Tom How
are you this is t J hooch masata with the

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league being majority African American, And then you bring up
with Josh McDaniels and I just think, if Josh McDaniels
isn't gonna leave New England and you can go coach
Andrew Luck, why would you even waste your time interview
on them? There there's not many Andrew lux in the league,
and you had an opportunity to coach one of the
best young quarterbacks, and why why do teams still waste
their time with them. Well, I think that that's a

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great point, t J. And it goes back. I think
we were all saying that in fecrory, which is, how
is Josh McDaniels ever getting going to get another opportunity?
And then by October, when I was talking to people
in the league and people who work in coaching searches,
I was being told, you know, Josh mcsaiels is probably
gonna get interviewed again. But that goes back to you
just not having those dialed up candidates. I mean, if
you want a veteran, offensive minded guy, so some guy

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who's called plays for a bunch of years, who is it?
You know, there there aren't many of those. A lot
of the guys who called plays in the NFL right
now are head coaches, you know, the Sean mcveigh's and
Matt maggie's of the world. Last year, nag he was
a hot candidate. He had relatively limited play calling experience,
but he had some play calling experience and always have
to carry him. Same thing with Doug Peterson. The form

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you know, holach guys are actually getting the opportunity, which
goes back to the minority hiring point to which is
the majority of offensive coordinators who end up calling plays
have backgrounds working with quarterbacks. There are not many black
quarterbacks coaches. So do you have that pipeline that's going
to feed into UM producing those candidates. You know, what
we've seen right now is there's not a lot of

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white assistant coaches who are calling plays either, And so
again that that makes teams have to start searching a
little bit differently, UM, digging a little bit deeper. You know,
there are a bunch of defensive coaches. They're in a
long look, including guys like Brian Flores from the Patriots,
Matt eber Flews from the Colts, who's kind of risen.
I think the plastics here. Christo Shard, who has revived

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his career after getting whed out in Seattle last year,
really has impressed in Dallas. Learned a lot of working
with rodmar and Ellie. He's called plays down there. Uh,
it's gonna be fascinating to see who gets jobs because
this those the candidates we usually see get hired don't exist.
And so yeah, guys like McDaniels. You want somebody who
has worked with a veteran quarterback has called placed for
a bunch of years. It's a really short list and

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he's at the top of it. Tom Bella Sarf Benefil
Network joining us, Doug Gotlie, TJ. Hushman's in for Dan
the Danets. This is the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio. UM, all right, d' antonio brown story which
came out yesterday where apparently Antonio Brown was a was
a healthy scratch going back to Sunday's must win game
against this since Dati Bengals, which they ultimately end up

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not making the playoffs. The story goes that, yeah, he
got into it with uh with with his quarterback and
ends up throwing up throwing a football at his quarterback,
leaves practice, doesn't return, doesn't return text, doesn't talk to anybody,
and then shows up Sunday like he's going to play
and they're like he had no, you're you're you're not playing? Um,

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how do you how do you think Pittsburgh tries to
fix this situation in the off season? Well, my colleague
I should mention that d D. King Colballo, who covers
the Steelers extensively, also added that Brown left the stadium
at halftime on Sunday I mean, there's a there's a
lot to unpack with that situation. I think that you've
seen things bubble over um, you know, with Ben Roethlisberger

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in a variety of different teammates in the past, whether
it's Livery on Bottle, whether it's you know, things I
said when Marquevis Bryant got suspended again. Certainly he's been
critical at times of Antonio Brown, and so this was,
you know, my understanding. And I had heard about this
um in some capacity a few days ago that that
you know, this was a point of real frustration even
for Steelers coaches before the game, because this is we

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must win now. They needed help to get in the playoffs,
and they didn't ultimately get it. But you know, you
want your best player on the field, and for whatever reason, uh,
Antonio Brown was not in the head space where he
was going to be able to you know, in terms
of the knee. You know, does he have an injury
versus you know, an injury that he could not have
played on. There's some some gray alien there, and we

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may get more answers from Mike Tomlin on that, but yeah,
I mean it's a problem. I mean, this is the
drama that is. I've been around the Steelers. Uh, it
feels like for years and a lot of its centers
on Antonio Brown, whether he is live streaming, UM, Mike
Tomlin talking about the Patriots in the locker room, Uh,
going into a playoff game, or you know something like

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that that happened this past week. Even when you're playing now,
Receivers in general are a different Cats t J. You
know that plenty well, but you know you also hope
that you're able to manage those personalities, not of a
situation like that playout, which is just unfortunately everybody. Yeah,
you would think what's on the line last game of
the season, that this wouldn't come to a head. But

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is it very surprising considering how the season started. You
got your offensive line coming out bashing Levian Bell. You
have been coming out technically bashing Antonio Brown. Um mid season?
Does Tomlin have to sit down with everyone before the
start of next season and say, listen, this is what's
not going to be tolerated, no excuses, no second chances.

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Everybody's been warned this is how it's going to be.
Because it looks like he can be losing the team
if he doesn't address this asap. It's one of the
unique things when we're talking about Mike Tomlin is that,
you know, at one a level, do you give him
credit for having all these personalities that he has kept
from combusting for years at least not bubbling over publicly

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versus Okay, you know, is he losing control of the team.
I mean, he's got he's got some guys there that
require some management, and every team in the NFL he
got fifty three guys on a roster. There are gonna
be a couple of guys who follow a lot of
extra attention if they're good enough players. Um, you deal
with it moving forward. It certainly seems as if, whether
you want to call it an accountability issue or a

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cultural issue, there's something here where, you know, things went
a little bit off the rails. You know, we were
taking at mid season, we were talking about Mike Tomlin
as a Coach of the Year candidate because they had
gotten through the Bell drama, they had gotten a lot
out of James Conner, the defense was playing better, Smith
Schuster was a breakthrough candidate, and it was you know,
look at all the all the distractions, everything he's had

(26:30):
to manage in their winning games. Well, then things fall
apart and it's you know, how much of the finger
do you do? You point in Mike Tomlin within that context,
You know, I guess that's for for everybody on the
outside of judge. But certainly some things need to change
my next season. Um, all right, let's let's look forward
to the to the playoffs. Um. Fascinating to me that
the Philadelphia Sutfeld played well. Obviously, Nick Foles has been

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on fire, and then Carson Wentz. Uh, look, he was,
He's still been active the past couple of weeks. What
are you hearing about what's going on in Philadelphia as
they prepared a gone that Chicago Bears defense. We all
we know is that Carson Wentz has a significant injury
and that he's gonna, you know, continue to get scans
on it and see whether or not he's making enough
improvement where potentially he could play at some point. We've

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also seen Nick Foles by and large play at a
pretty high level to this point. He took the shot
to his chest the other day, It is not sound
like that's anything that's going to impact his availability for
Sunday against the Bears. It's Uh. You know, if you're
looking in the big picture, you think about what they
gave up to go get Carson Wentz high in the draft.
That's their guy, that's their leader. Um. Nick Foles in

(27:33):
a position where he can play his way into probably
getting paid at game for the second one that he
would have played for the Eagles when gotten paid someplace else.
He's got a hope that it goes better for him
that it did. Lost time when he left that building
and they felt felt together, they really liked you know,
there's a reason they've kept him as the third quarterback
on the fifty three man roster. You know. The unique
thing with the Eagles seems like their identity in a

(27:55):
lot of ways runs through their defensive front. It's guys
like Clutch of Pots and co Bennet, those guys wreaking havoc. Um.
I see the way that they could impact some of
the more finesse type offenses in the NFL. That's gonna
be their calling card. Um. They play a little bit
different offensively, There's no question about it. When they have
Nick Foles in the lineup Verston car versus Carson Wentz.
But you have to give Doug Peterson credit for the

(28:16):
way that regardless of who has been a quarterback, the
injuries that they've had and other issues are running back
claw and all the things that they've dealt with, you know,
they they've found a way to pull themselves out of
it could have been a tail spin at mid season
and now you have to look at them in the face.
In the Bears team that hasn't been in the playoffs,
there's two thousand and ten. There's a lot of guys
happens have been then in that position before, cluding Mitchell Trobiski.

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They're they're going to be a tough out. Well, with
that being said, wild Car Weekend, Big games this week,
who do you like? Well? I try to stay out
of the prediction business as best I can, because in
part when I was in the prediction business, I was
terrible at it. I mean, like I said, I think
that the the Eagles are are a tough matchup for

(28:58):
the Bears. That it's gonna come down to whether or
not the Bears offensive line can do their part. You know,
that seems like a huge part of it. Looking at
the other games, I mean, the Chargers Ravens rematch is
going to be a fascinating one that Chargers team has
played pretty well the entire season. Teams are still trying
to figure out how you handle h that type of
offense that they're running. I mean, it's just straight power

(29:19):
running game. Um, it's a combination. Marty Morning leg of
courses has worked with quarterbacks. We're going to use day
um running bowling a little bit more. Greg Roman, who
worked at calling Kaepernick in San Francisco, UH, is certainly
a part of it. Teams you've definitely seen some of
the same elements to make Kaepernick successful. To the two
thousand twelve, two thousand third team, Um, the Seahawks Cowboys game.

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I mean, the Seahawks is another team that really is
driven by their defensive front. The physicality and their offensive
line is another identifying traits. So you know who can
roll a football more effectively. That's going to impact that one.
And then of course, the Texans playing their annual mid
afternoon to them on Saturday. It feels like every time
they've been in the playoffs staves they've been in that
time slot. I I just think the Colts, we've We've

(30:00):
had this discussion on NFL Network in recent weeks. The
Colts are maybe the most dangerous team in the playoffs,
just because you look at how it started and how
they've played over the past three months. Andrew Luck Um
is Andrew Luck again. You know, it all starts with him,
the way that he's able to play, and then that defense.
There's a reason why the row plays were talking about

(30:21):
the head coaching candidate. They got young guys like Darius Flammon.
He's you know, playing fantastic in his versus an instant
start for them, but they've got like three three like
upper echelon, you're you know, really good starters on that defense.
Everybody else they just they play really hard, they play
really fast. Um going in there and facing that Texans
team and that's uh. I think that's maybe the most

(30:43):
challenging not to up for the home team has in
these playoffs. Great stuff, Tom, Tom, Happy New Year to you.
Thanks so much for so much insight into nash Football
League and I wish you nothing but the best. Appreciate
being our guests. And on the Dan Patrick Show, Tevian
new Year fell appreciate it all. That's Tom pellisar from
the NFL Network. I want to get Okay, So so
that's that story. T Jshman's out of Doug got Laby

(31:04):
in for Dan and the Dan Nets. The story is
Antonio Brown and Ben Roethlisberg got into it practice where look,
obviously not playing football at at at a high level
of playing basketball, like guys get into it practice, especially
at the end of the year. But no, no, not
the quarterback and receiver. Doesn't Not the quarterback and receiver, right,

(31:26):
I mean I've seen it, but you would think that
relationship would that wouldn't never happen other positions? Yes, not
the quarterback and receiver. Okay, So, um, are you? Are
you on team Ben without knowing any of the details?
Team being without knowing the details? Like no? And the

(31:48):
reason I say no is because I said it on
probably the herd or speak for yourself or probably both.
When Ben came out and called anton When he called
Antonio Brown, he created dissension. He are he created the
problem within itself, and Antonio Brown publicly will say, oh,
it's no big deal. That was a huge deal. And

(32:10):
so he had this animosity towards Ben that if he
didn't say anything, he had it within and it came out. Okay,
so look they have it out and he leaves practice
and then he doesn't show up until Sunday. Like I
like you, the Steelers. You can't play him, No, no,
not at all. You can't. So how do you fix it?

(32:33):
I don't know. If it's fixable, can you play? Even
if it's not fixable, can you can you still have
him as part of the Steelers. If it's not fixable,
you can. But but it has to be that first
meeting back or that exit meeting with the team that
Tomlin had yesterday. It should have been addressed, and I'm

(32:54):
sure it was. But again in Cincinnati, I was a
part of that with Chad and so it's kind of
it just sounds familiar. You have to address it because
this is the problem. Young guys on the team see this,
and these young guys aren't Antonio Brown, but some young
guy on the team could possibly be Antonio Brown in
the future. And if that's in his DNN, it's makeup

(33:16):
to act that way when he becomes Antonio Brown. He's
going to do it because he saw Antonio Brown do
it with no consequence. Not only no consequence, but he
was actually rewarded with with a huge contract, right, Like,
That's why you have to nip it immediately, because it's
a cycle if you if you don't handle it the
correct way. All right, I want I want your best

(33:37):
Chad story up coming next, That's what I want. I
want your best. You said, I haven't seen except for
maybe Chad. Chad, he did these type of things, leave practice,
go home numerous times. But you also you also started
by telling us how Marvin Marvin had, you know, create
a much better culture. Now, there were times where there

(34:00):
we're getting ready to play to Steelers, something like this happened,
and Chad wasn't going to play. So our game plan changed,
and then mysteriously Sunday Marten, Chad was playing. James game
plan went back to the original game plan. Marvin's hands
were tied. You can figure that one out. Yeah, Mike
Brown saying, like Chad's playing, he's our best player, He's

(34:24):
he's gonna play right, and and so you don't have
that type of support. It's only so much you can do.
And ultimately does that does does that help or hurt
your team to have Chad but also but not have
the discipline. It helps from a competitive on the field standpoint. Um,
but guys, see that and again Pete here, here's here's

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Can I give you one takeaway that I've always had
that I don't think people like when we grew up,
there was the idea of the dumb jock. And the
perfect example of what you said is like, look, just
because I didn't go to high school, it wasn't because
it was dumb because I didn't care. That was my
lifestyle and I didn't have the support at home to
tell me to go to school. But there are there
is the if somebody who hasn't heard heard you speak,

(35:08):
doesn't know your story, goes like, oh, here's some guy
that they just got into school at Oregon State and
he didn't really know what he's doing and they just
got to the NFL and he was you know, I
mean like, look, there's the way thug or dumb or whatever.
And I've always been blown away by the intel, like
it's not necessarily the intuition of athletes and understanding all

(35:31):
the different working things. Um, I don't know if I'm
I'm I don't know if I'm articulating it well enough.
But it's like buddy of mine I play with in college,
Joe Atkins. Okay, Joe actually owns a rehab clinic in
Oklahoma City, and like my wife and my wife and
I used to laugh because we I had this expression.
I was like, look, Joe will never starve, like I

(35:52):
don't know if he's gonna he tores knee up when
he's playing overseas professionally. I was like, you do not
have to worry about Joe Atkins, like that dude is
a hustler, right, he's from he smoke Cloma City John
Marshall High School. And don't never shoot dice with him
because you'll lose something, right, right, So so it'd be
on one knee before the game, shooting dice, taking people's money,
talking trash, go out, ball up, come home, drink a

(36:14):
case of beer, hang out, like let's go do it again.
Like he's just but uh, but he also he he
he understood all of the different working things that were
going on in terms of people's psychology, in terms of discipline,
in terms like he understood those things. So I don't
know how to articulate well enough, but I've always been

(36:34):
blown away by how most athletes, not everybody, Like there's
some dudes like yo, okay, I just wanta go ball, right,
But most guys understand all of these little things that
are working on and and find a way to find
their own lane and succeed in spite of or because
of it. And that's it's one thing that I don't
think we do a good enough job in covering sports
and talking about it's the type of environment you grew

(36:57):
up in. You learn to navigate ure a way through
that lifestyle, and the guys that are able to navigate
through that you learn so much from that and that
helps you on later in life if you're able to
avoid going to jail and you learn how to kind
of just sliving your way through things, and it helps

(37:19):
in life. It really does. YEA, So the old school
school of hardknocks. He's Jomazadam Doug. This is the Dan
Patrick Show here on Fox Sports Radio. I want to
I want to ask t J about Kirk Cousins, who
obviously struggled. There's the the sideline argument with Adam Feeling
and and what they're actually discussed, and we'll get into
that and we'll get into whether or not what what

(37:40):
Minnesota can do to fix their problems. That's up coming
next to The Dan Patrick Show. Doug god t Jos Manzana.
This is the Dan Patrick Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Well you made it. You made it two thousand nine.
Where is your end? It ended? Now you get to
start over. So just collectively, it's like walking by the
Xbox or back when your kids and you have like

(38:00):
a Nintendo, just press reset, start over. Your brother was
whooping you at double dribble, you just press reset and
you're you're You're good. T j Ashman's out of that
was that your game growing up? I was. I was
double dribble, double dribble, Blades of Steel, technoball, all of those.
Of course, the Super Mario Brothers, the Minnesota Vikings. Um,

(38:23):
look what we could get into Kirk Cousins being overpaid
or Kirk Cousins. I've had this discussion on my show,
The Doug Gotlip Show, which is three to six Eastern
time on Fox Sports Radio, which is like, look, he
was the only starting quarterback on the market and he
is productive, and because of it, that was his market value.
He got actually below market value because the Jets offered

(38:45):
him more. The problem was that they couldn't do anything
with the Bears. But I'm watching them have I'm watching
him have an argument with Adam Feeling right where he's
saying that, Adam Feeling, I don't have ten seconds to
throw the football. What was that argument about when I
when I watched it, it looked like number one. And
I don't think Kirk Cousins overpaid. I don't think anybody

(39:06):
is overpaid. You're worth what they're willing to give you.
Number one. But the argument was he wanted Alam Feeling
to take a flat angle on the corner route. Adam
Feeling took a high angle, and the premise on that
is consistently number one. I'm sure they've worked on this
route numerous times and routes on their seven on seven

(39:30):
and team even in meetings. If I get man to man,
more than likely I'm going on a high angle. I'm
scoring a touchdown. If the corner is over the top
of me and it's man to man, I will come flat.
Kirk Cousins threw the ball flat. Adam Feeling went high.
I don't understand have you had how you have that
type of miscommunication last game of the season. That's preseason,

(39:53):
first game type of thing. But yes, because he man
the man, you're going high angle. The rule is if
I get mad a man, I'm going high angle. Unless
high angle for somebody who is they're driving in their
car or they listen to us on the damn patrees
more like forty five degrees if you're running a corner

(40:14):
by a dead corner towards the end zone instead of
instead of basically an out route. Yes, depending on where
you're at, more than likely your angle is the front pylon.
If you're within the twenty, it's the back pylon that
that's the high angle now, and they were somewhat in
the fringe red zone type of things, so he would

(40:34):
probably aim for the back pylon and he'd be able
to adjust to the ball if it was shut. But
when you throw it like it's going to be a
fifteen yard out, feeling is like, bro, what are you doing?
And what Kirk said, I don't have ten seconds. That's
why you throw the high angle because you can just
lay it up there. You have to take time if
you're gonna throw a flat because you're gonna see where

(40:55):
he's coming out at that. That's what I didn't get
when he said I don't have ten seconds. Well, if
you have ten seconds, why didn't you throw the high
angle because you can just lay that ball up there.
Why wouldn't he? Why wouldn't he? What is a possible
reason why he wouldn't That pressure, that pressure was getting
to him, and he just panicked. He panicked in it.
And and that's and honestly, that's been kind of his

(41:16):
m O. Right, He's lost eighty four per cent of
his games versus teams with winning records. That's crazy percent
of his games he's lost versus teams that have winning records.
So he's built up his statistical That's that's a tough career.
That's a that's a tough it's Stafford's it's a tough

(41:42):
one to climb out of. Right, That's that's a tough
That's like Brett Brown trying to get back to five
as a as a coach or six hundred as a coach,
considering how how it started out. His best bet is
the Vikings. They should draft offensive line. This entire draft
is just just offensive lineman. Shore up that front so

(42:03):
that you can protect him a little better. That that's
all you can do. When you're a wide receiver and
you you your quarterback has shown panic in those situations,
can like how hard is it to buy into no? No,
Kirk's not panicking anymore, right because you still kind of
have that seed play in the back of your head.
If they shore up the offensive line, and in any

(42:26):
quarterback is gonna quote unquote panic when when you get
constant pressure. But if they can show up the offensive line,
obviously he's not companic because he's gonna have He's gonna
have a lot of time back there. They're gonna fix it,
all right, We'll see what they fix it. He's t
judgments out. I'm Doug gottlieb Man. Do we got a
lot to get to, ton to get to all right?
The New Year's six Bulls are gonna get underway shortly.

(42:47):
We'll discuss them. Plus Adam Kramer is gonna join us.
We'll discuss the crazy week at Miami and uh, get
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(44:07):
what the hell is going on? Gottlieb? Hello, this is
what we're doing. You're on that count What do you
think the countdown was for? Somebody has to explain this
to me. Oh, you are You probably thought it was
New Year's theme. No, that was to let you know
when you're on the air. So we'll try again. Here's
Doug Gottlieb and former Pro Bowl wide receiver t J.

(44:28):
Hush Menzada. What up, Welcome in this Todan Patrick Show,
Fox Sports Radio the Pro Bowler t twish Menzada. I'm
Doug Gottlieb. Welcoming in two thousand nineteen. Together we were
up early here on the Best Coast getting ready for
college football January for still good. You know, yesterday Oregon

(44:49):
seven six of her Michigan State, my old motor Ocama State,
at a sixteen point lead, tried to give it away,
end up winning the Liberty Bowl, and people are like, hey,
these are meaningless bowls. I gotta I gotta disagree. I've
never played in a game that I didn't want to win, right,

(45:09):
I've never been like, well, you know we didn't we
didn't win because we didn't want to. Like I've literally
never have you ever played in a meaningless bowl or
you haven't played I guess you played in the NFL
whatever A meaningless game to you? No, Well, my first
year in organ State, we played in the Aloha Bow
in Hawaii. It was actually fun for me going to
Hawaii as my first time in Hawaii, so I enjoyed it.

(45:32):
But no, they're all bowl games for the players. It's fun, man,
it's different. You get the you're in the city for
about a week that you probably never been before, and
it's a good experience. They're the games are meaningless to
the fans or the people that have watched the games,
but to the players, they're not meaningless at all. Um.

(45:54):
Today is the day where we think, maybe, I don't know,
we end the Central Florida back to back national champion,
like made up national champions. What's your what's you're feeling
on the Central Florida thing. Well, I'm a the fact
I'm adopted L s shoe alum now because my daughter
goes to school there. So I think they're gonna get

(46:17):
blown out today, at least that's my hope. Um they
it's tougher. If you're not a Power five school is tough.
You don't get an opportunity to play the upper echelon teams,
and when you do, it's a bowl game for you.
It's a big game for them. They look at it
as if, oh man, we playing Central Florid y and

(46:39):
so that's the trap you you have to avoid. That's
what happened last year with Auburn. How we're playing Central Florida.
We're gonna kill them. And they got their head rolled.
And I'm sure org Iran Is told L s U, dude,
do not under because they're fast. They're fast, They're just
as fast as L s U. They don't have the depth,
at least you hope they don't, and so they win

(47:01):
this game. I'm impressed. If they beat the L s
U today, I'm gonna be veryant. Well, especially they'll be
doing it with without Mackenzie Milton, right with Dariel mack
As as their quarterback McKenzie Milton stuff of that gruesome
knee injury. So it would be one thing to bea
the l s U. It's another thing to beat LSU
with your backup quarterback. Yeah, and number the backup quarterback,

(47:21):
he has played well when they when they played Memphis
in the conference championship, they beat him handily. With McKenzie
Milton playing earlier in the year, they beat him by
one point, I believe. And so the good thing with
LSU their best corner. He won't be playing Greedy Williams
and the draft. He's not gonna play the trend nowadays.
But Dave a. Randa's is probably the best defensive coordinator

(47:44):
in college football him and Britain Ventables, and so he's
gonna have a plan their LSU. They got guys that
are backups that are good enough to start their other schools. Yeah.
That that's really and and that's that's the part that
it would be. It's disingenuous I think for even Central Florida.
I'm not saying in Central Florida doesn't have has some
dudes up front and have some speed at skilled positions,

(48:04):
but it's if you go through the depth, right, the
depth especially the defensive like the difference in the SEC
and all the other major conferences as the depth of
athletes on the defensive line, especially right, that's the difference
between the good schools and the great schools, the Alabama's,
the Clemsons, the Georgia's, the l s Us. It's the

(48:29):
depth on the offensive and defensive lines. That that's the difference.
Skill everybody has skill, guys, everybody. It's the depth up
front on both sides of the ball. What's happened to
the Pack twelve? Dude? It's terrible. Like I've been saying
this for years, SC should be Alabama West Coast. Every

(48:51):
single year they have to do a better job of
developing players. They you look at their recruiting class, They're
getting a top ten recruiting class year minus this year.
Why aren't there kids developing like Nick Saban is developing
the kids at Alabama. That's coaching. That's being able to teach,

(49:11):
not coach. All these coaches no X and os. They
can teach you, but can they I mean they can
coach you, but can they teach you the game? Can
they teach you how to understand? What an offense is doing.
The weakness in the defense, how are they going to
attack you. That's the biggest difference the Pact twelve oh
man and every time they play I root for him

(49:33):
because that's the conference I played in. And it is disappointing.
They just they're not doing a great job teaching these
kids and developing. But there's also a difference in terms
of the town. The on the defensive lines right and
even made to lesser extent offensive lines like it does.
It doesn't feel like they have the same same look
of guys on the defensive fronts that you're seeing in
the SEC. They do look different, but at the end,

(49:57):
we're all recruiting the same kid. We're all are there
those guys on the west coast that there are in
the South? Yeah, you look, you look at if I'm
not mistaken. USC last year recruited one of the top
old lineman from Missouri. He didn't even play. He didn't
even play. Probably gonna transfer. They're getting they get good

(50:19):
players every And I always say s C because you
don't even have to recruit at USC. The kids are coming.
You pick the kids you want. You just have to
make sure you choose the right kid and are they
choosing the right kid? I don't know. I Kingsbury going
there is going to help a lot, because I know
a lot of kids from the l A area are

(50:42):
going to the SEC. Like the top rated corner in
the class just committed to l s U. He's goes
a modern day, He's going to l s U because
he sees there's no development. One of the top kids
in the twenty nineteen class that go to St. John
Bosco was committed to USC. He committed. Why guys that
I looked up to that are at SC that I

(51:03):
thought would be in the NFL, they don't seem to developed,
That's what he said. And so SC needs to get
it together, man, because football is better when you got
a team and on the West Coast, and the fact
twelve that that's competitive, right, And look, that's the thing
that I think we can talk all we want about
the College well Playoff and the fact that there were

(51:23):
two not fairly non competitive games. Um, but the other
part that's really hurting their ratings is the fact, like
the West Coast, why would I watch there's no It's
Clemson in Alabama every year now, and that's great for them,
and that's the tribute. It becomes like NASCAR, though, where
it's just it's a very becomes a regional sport, that's

(51:45):
and that's what it's become. And so they have they
have to do a better job they be. If SC
doesn't get it together, they better watch out because herm
is gonna get a rolling at Arizona State. They're they're
doing a really good job coming out here recruiting kids.
If SC doesn't get it together, Arizona State will probably
be along with Washington that team in the Pac twelve

(52:07):
and on the West coast. And look after noted that
you did not talk about your old teammate, old quarterback
at ORGANSTA. It's just gonna take some time. It's gonna
take some time for Jonathan to kind of get the
guys in there. It's gonna take some time, probably three
to four years. Um. By the third year, we should
be fairly competitive with everybody at Oregon State if he
can continue to stay the course and get and get

(52:27):
those guys that come in and then you got tonight,
you got Texas and Georgia. Obviously, people are gonna talk
about Urban Meyer's last game UM as head coach. Part two. Right,
this is retirement Part two. There might be a retirement
Part three. There might not. Like I actually believe he's
got some major, major health issues and it would be
it would be different to retire to come out of

(52:48):
retirement a second time. Do you think he's done? Yeah,
Irban Meyer, you watch these games. Dude goes crazy on
the sideline. Man Herman Meyer is a fool on the sideline.
He really he is into the game as you want
to coach to be and for him, his body just
can't take you. Because Nick Saban goes crazy on the
sideline too, and he's a lot older than urber Meyer

(53:10):
and he's able to He's able to go crazy calm
himself down, and urber Meyer he just doesn't seem to
be able to do that. Um, he's made a ton
of money. He's still going to be connected to the
game of football, just not in a head coaching capacity.
He's probably done. You don't want to lose your life
over something you've done your entire life, especially when this
is like it's like the Calvin Johnson thing. Like I

(53:31):
think you'll see more guys in the NFL where you
have you have so much money that you've made now
that even if you really want to play, like you
know what, like me personally, and I didn't make Calvin
Johnson money. And it could be because I didn't play
a lot of football growing up, dude, like I love football,
Like I enjoyed practice for the most part. I enjoyed

(53:51):
working out to get ready for the season, like I
would have never been one of those guys like, oh
I got a hundred million dollars, I'm tired of it.
I love it, and I think that's and that's that's
those the guys that I But it is interesting. Did
you not play football at all until high school? Your
senior year? I played one year Pop Warner, but it

(54:11):
was more so I didn't I wasn't able to make
it all the time, so it was just my senior year.
And that could be why my love for the game
is so deep, Like that's all I do. I read
all sports, I watch it, and it could be I
wasn't forced to play it at a young gaze that
that's that's why I enjoy it so much. Fascinating stuff.

(54:33):
T Jjspon's out of the uh former pro bowler joining
us here. I'm I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is the Dan
Patrick Show. Adam Kramer is gonna join join us. Up
coming next, we'll talk about the New Year's six. We'll
talk about Miami in the crazy situation where they get
blown out in a Bowl game by Wisconsin's consin just
thumped him. Uh. Many Diaz was their defensive coordination who

(54:56):
took the Temple job, coached him in the bull game,
then leaves, leaves in nice note and leaves for Temple.
He'd taken the job previously. Mark Rick then retires two
nights ago and in like two hours, all of a sudden,
Manny Diaz leaves Temple. I'll tell you why. I actually
have no zero problem with the Many Diaz or the

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guys that recruits and whatever. We'll get to that with
Adam Kramer. Plus, um, what about a ram Meyer. Is
this in fact his last game ever and this time
we mean it? Or is hen be like Sugar Ray
Leonard and come out of retirement fifteen times over? We'll
talk to him up coming next with t J. Spans
Adam Doug got Lip This to Dan Patrick Show. Doug

(55:36):
got Limp, t Joshmanzana in for Dan the Dan ats
here on first of January, getting ready for Is that
what they call it? The Danats? Let's they call those
guys the dan Dan Patrick got it going for real. Well,
I mean like, look, what's crazy is you and I
have known each other, I would say, in the twelve

(55:57):
thirteen year kind of variety. Right, that's when you were
with the Bengals. We first hard to had you on
when I was over the other place and I would
fill in for Dan back then. And those guys were
just the kind of the show staff. When he left
and he created his TV show on this radio show,
they became the Danets. They kind of, you know, had
their own little thing. Like I've known Polly and Fritzy

(56:18):
and all those guys forever. They used to just be
Polly and fritzyh They're still Polly and Fritzy, but now
just like in group, they're called the Danets. Got their
own thing going, They got their own they make their
own side money. You know, they had their own time
on the TV show. It's good to be the It's
good to be the Danets. T Jsman's out as a
former pro bowler. I'm Doug Gottlieb, and uh, let's let's
talk some college football with Adam Kramer College football uh

(56:40):
writer for Bleacher Report and Adaman it feels like it
feels like a day in which either is gonna end
with Central Florida puffing out their chest printing some more
shirts or or unfortunately the end of an really incredible
run of two undefeated seasons. What do they have is
at the end of the day. It's a great question, man,

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And you're exactly right in terms of like narrative, this
is like the narrative Bowl. Um, it's it's a little different.
Obviously without Mackenzie Milton in there. I would have loved
to have seen that. I would have loved to have
seen uh, you know L s us roster at full
guys staying here for you know, for this game, to
see exactly what where we stand. Um. I think Central

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Florida will make a game of this thing, because that's
what they tend to do. But in terms of, you know, physically,
like this is a they are overmatched here, of course
they are. They deal, you know, L s u Is
is basically that team with the exception of Alabama handful
of others in just terms of you know, physically, when
you you know, size these guys up in the beauty contest.
But um, I think they'll keep it close, and I

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think they'll make it interesting enough where maybe we won't
have a parade afterwards like we talked about doing last year,
but they'll keep themselves in the conversation a little while longer,
which some will love and some probably won't love. Now,
let's we we talked, We touched on this earlier. Your
your you know more of this field than we do.
What is going on with the Pack twelve and just

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West Coast college football in general, well geographically speaking, right,
like the vast majority of the most talented players in
the country just do not originate from there. That's like that,
that's your we start there. Um, you've had major issues
with some of your major brands. I was reading this morning.
You know U c l A paying fifteen million dollars

(58:26):
to both of their coaches in terms of buyouts. USC
has just been underwhelming now for quite some time, and
felt like they might break through through a few years
ago with Sam Donald. They haven't. Washington, UM, I guess
can do a little bit today to take down Ohio
State or at least be competitive, But that's where we are.
I think you've had. You see, you know, a lot

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of instances with the Big Ten. The Big Ten has
had a really handful of great hires. The SEC has
had a handful of really good hires from Florida to
Kentucky to major programs if well. As I think a
lot of this boils down to a the talent pool.
You're not attracting the best players in the country, and
you're not attracting the best coaches in the country. So

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in some ways it's pretty simple, and I think you're
seeing a watered down product as a result of that.
I also think it would be fair to say, like, look,
when you do any have coaching turnover, especially now you're
you're losing recruiting classes, you're losing players, guys leave, and
so it does take time to build. And we look
at Arizona and Arizona State Oregon. This is you know,

(59:31):
the Crystal Wills come back, so this but this is
their third head coach in three years there, right, and
then you and then you got you know, Cal's head
coaching turnover as well. USC has been a turnstyle and
you know, they've had obviously chained staffs, but they went
through several head coaches in several years, and then in
German head coaches, I mean really a lot. And while
I agree with you that Oregon in Washington don't produce players,

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there's players in Vegas. There's plenty of players in northern
southern California. I think it's get the right players to
stay home. And then the question, my question is, you know,
why does southern California not produce defensive line in the
way the South does they produce every other thing and
quarterbacks at a at a rate exponentially higher than just
about any other place. No, you're exactly right, It is

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not necessarily one big thing. And by the way, Oregon
in this recruiting cycle has done a wonderful job. They've
landed arguably the best player in the country under Chrystal
Ball who's there and who's in there, and really shook
things up and and maybe that this is the time
whever they can kind of turn it forward. I just
think collectively, these things kind of lean on each other.
And it's not you can't diagnose it one different thing.

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You mentioned kind of the coaching turnover, that is the case.
You look at the vast majority of the new hires.
Here's some of which were in that conference. Um, it
did not go particularly well, with the exception of maybe
Florida who did a pretty good job under Mowing in
the year one. Um. But but yeah, it's and and
I also think a lot of this stuff, Um, you know,
leadership from the conference wide. You're talking about people buying

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a stake in the Pack twelve. And I know that's
not necessarily an impact on the direct result in the team,
but the reputation has certainly taken some shots in the
last few years, which I think impacts all of this.
By the way it impacts these coaching vacancies becoming less desirable,
it certainly resonates down to the kids who have to
decide do I want to go there or not. So, yeah,

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it's not necessarily one thing, but it seems like slowly
but surely it's impacting the full capacity to Pack twelve
and the way that that these programs operate. Now I've
been my daughter is a freshman at l s U.
I've been in the h l s U locker room.
I've been in the Auburn locker room. Could it be
the facilities in the South in the SEC when these

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kids take these recruion ships that they just get wowed
when when they go to these different parts of the country.
And then I've been in the i haven't been in
USC's locker room, but I've been in u c l
A's locker room. And you compare that to the two
locker rooms that I just mentioned, and it's no compared.
The facilities are nice and different. Adam, I don't even
think like our facility part of it. Like my brother's

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an assistant coach Oregon State, but he was a He
was a cow at the time when they talked about
incorporating the Big Twelve in the pactul when the last
conference expansion, right, and he was like, look, we're in
the pact. Weell, we don't want that to happen. He
goes not only facilities, but like people legit care and
it's like, you know, Stanford is an incredible school, but
they don't really they don't show up for football. They don't.

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They don't care, right, they don't U c l A.
That they care. Yeah, but at the camp of the
stadium is an hour from campus. You get sixty thous
and ninety thousands places they care. Yeah, they now they
care at SC care about everything at USC, but the
rest of the league, there is a lack of GIVA
you know what factor, whether it's facilities, or whether it's attendance,
or whether it's just buzz in some of these major

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cities that that's gotta at least play a part of it. Yeah,
and outside of Oregon, which is like you know, from
the future, I mean, that's a beautiful facility, right, you
could stack that up with every facility in the country. Basically, Um,
I think that plays a role. I just think the
level of urgency, the level level of care that everything else,
I mean just kind of snow falls into this. And

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and so with the struggles, like you look at it
and and this is the point, by the way, in
the college football season when we start to look at Okay,
we've got one game left, What is this gonna look
like next year? It's not gonna look any different, is it.
Do you think U c l A Is always gonna
all of a sudden gonna find itself? Is Arizona State
gonna find itself? On the herm Washington should be fine? Uh?
Is Cliff Kingsbury gonna save USC with a young cornerback

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that could be better? But like, what what? How will
this be any different next year. And I don't mean
that as like a negative. It's just to me, it's
kind of the reality. Right, It's like, where is that
spark going to come from? A could come from Oregon? Right.
You're getting the top quarterback back next year, which is
a big deal. You've got a recruiting class, you were
pretty good this year, but are you gonna be good
enough to make the playoff? To me, that's kind of
what it boils down to in the playoffs era, right,

(01:03:50):
is how many? How many opportunities do you have? How
many teams in the Pac twelve entering next season do
you think have a logistic, like realistic shot of cracking
this playoff? And the answer is not many. I maybe
one or two teams. It's gonna give me fascinating especially
in Oregon opens the season in Dallas against Auburn. So uh,
those But let's let's let's let's not get ahead of ourselves.

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Let's get to some of the some of the news.
The news of the day is Dana Holgerson leaves West
Virginia and goes to Houston. Now, look, the one thing
about Houston is everybody says the players. It's not just
the players. It's in that league. There's a couple of
teams where you have Central Florida for example, You're just
at a geographic advantage to anybody else that league, right,

(01:04:32):
I mean, and a facilities advantage to anybody else net league.
But he's in the Big twelve and doing well at
West Virginia. But there's a lot of talk of him
potentially getting out. What went wrong between Dana Holgerson and
West Virginia. I mean the last two years, every job
that came open, it felt like his name was floated
for you know what I mean, Like you can kind

(01:04:53):
of start to sense the uneasiness on both sides when
each job and and really it felt like he might
leave last year or might be totally lead last year,
Like that felt like it was going to be the
decision point. This is really a coach restarting his coaching clock.
And you guys know exactly what that is. It's what
Gus mouths On should have done last year in leaving

(01:05:13):
for Arkansas. You go to a school where you're gonna
make four million dollars a year in a group of
five conference, in a in a really um a great
football city, and a place where the expectations are pretty reasonable,
albeit a little bit different than they will, say, five
six years ago, because they got rid of major Apple
white um, and he's gonna be expected to win. But
you can start over here. It didn't feel like this

(01:05:34):
was going in a particularly great place at West Virginia.
They've had some really good talent comes through there. They've
had they had a great year this year, and of
course it just kind of ends with a thud um
they lose a lot of really good players. So if
I'm Dana Holgerson, strictly from his vantage point, I say, hey,
we we probably I probably did as good as I'm
gonna do here, And if I have a down year
next year, looking at my roster, it's pretty possible. What

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what's my status with the program gonna look like that?
That to me is the simplest reality of this. I
can go to a new place, I can start freshono,
by the way, have a twenty million dollar contract, and
if I do well, I could probably catapult this into
another big job. And I think that's just the reality.
On data standpoint. With the college football uh Playoff with
having four teams and now there's talk of expanding to

(01:06:18):
eight teams, number one, are you in favor of that?
In number two, what happens to the when I was
playing the BCS ball game New Year Day and such
what happens, Well, I I am in favor of it,
And I think the Bowl season as we know will
exist in some capacity. Um, no matter what we do,

(01:06:39):
it's very important to like the fabric of the sport.
And if you're gonna do something as radical as an
eight team playoff, and I think ultimately we're gonna get there. Um,
I still think you want to keep those in place.
They are fine. By the way their entertainment on TV,
you don't have to watch them. I think the vast
majority of the people out there maybe check in now
and then for the most part leading up to like
December twenty nine, and then games start to get good. Um,

(01:07:02):
today's a great day of games where you will attract
a new audience. But I still think, no matter what,
whether you have automatic times or however you label a
new postseason, I think we're moving closer to that. Um,
you're still going to have the ball season may be different,
you may do less games. You're certainly gonna have to
move the calendar around, which they've done a little bit already,
as you guys know with the four team playoff, with

(01:07:22):
eight teams, you'd have to do that even more. But
I still think you're you're gonna have a bull season
no matter where we go. I just I don't know,
And again I don't want to be a prisoner at
the moment. But you watch the two semifinals, You're like,
we all knew Clemson Alabama better than everybody else. Now
all of a sudden, everybody knows Clemson Alabama, Like do
we do we need more Do we really need more teams?
Really more games? Notre Dame shouldn't have been in. They struggle,

(01:07:44):
They struggled to beat USC last game of the season.
I said, Clemson's gonna roll them. No, I understand, Like,
look I would I would have put I thought Georgia
was one of the four best teams. But they did
lose two games. And people get caught up with numbers
as opposed to who you actually played, right, Um, I
mean that said, like, do we really need do we
need more teams? Do we need more games? You know
in this year? No? I mean in the last few

(01:08:06):
years maybe not. I mean you've had Clenson Alabama three
out of four years. It tells you your your system
is doing just fine. Again, it's not necessarily I think
with college football too. Part of the reason I want
eight is the conference playoff. Conference championship weekend, to me,
has become just a very weird, mutated version of it
once was. And winning your conference is such a less

(01:08:28):
priority now versus making the playoff, and if you don't
have a chance to do that, then your game is
gamed in significant in some ways. It kind of is.
That's just we're sort of NFL ees in college football.
I don't mean that as a negative, but there's a
lot of the interest right now is big picture do
you have a chance to win it or not, which
goes away from the college football norms. I would just
attach that playoff spot, of course, to the conference championships.

(01:08:51):
You have three at large. This is pretty much the
going uh methodology in terms of if you're going to
expand to eight. I I don't think what you're saying
is you win your offer championship, you automatically get a
spot and then you have three at largest. I actually
think that should be it should be six. That way
would be better than eighth. Then then you know, then
you're maybe you get two buys right, and then you

(01:09:12):
have good games. Finally, what which we're looking for. I
don't think I've been to a good semifinal game yet,
by the way, which is which is concerning if you're
college football. Yeah, I but my, my, my. The other
issue that that people talk about is that they don't
realize is you get to if you add another add
another round, you get to sixteen games with some of
these teams, and you're just these gets. They're gonna get
beat up, and you're gonna have backups playing and you

(01:09:34):
won't have who these teams truly are. Whereas now you know,
you get a month off before the semifinals, then you
get like a week and a half before you play
in the championship game most times, and so at least
you have most of the same players. But you had
another game there, and you're also asking a lot of
a fan to to make a track to three games
instead of making it to two games. Well, two ways

(01:09:56):
you could do this. One is I think an easy
solution that's played that first round games on college campuses,
which would then you're killing then you're then you're killing
the bulls. Um I don't necessarily think so your bulls
are your bulls, they're going to I mean, you see
the crowds. Now, there's a smattering of people there. I mean,
that is what it is like. There will be a

(01:10:16):
smattering of people. There will be a smattering of people
at the Sugar or or there wasn't spattering of people
at the Cotton there wasn't smattering of people at the
root of Rose Bowl. But the big bowl games have attendance.
It's the lower level ones, right, right, But but if you,
but if you, if you, just if you had playoff
games like now, you're you're I mean you're really what

(01:10:37):
are you doing? What are you doing with the who
plays in the Rose Bowl if it's not on the
if it's not on in the rotation, No, you can
you basically have a front line of games like a
first round of game. So here's the other part of
this equation that they'll never do, which is getting rid
of the conference championship weekend entirely and just a warning
people who they could win their conference. Right, I mean,
you had more people watch the SEC championship game this

(01:10:59):
ship than the playoff game. That that's a remarkable thing.
It's not necessarily good for the overall value of your
post seeds. And I think you have the point you
bring up, which is really interesting. You'd have to manipulate
the schedule some you don't necessarily want to add more
games for these kids. You really want to take something
away for some of these conferences. That could be a
you know, a week one game that that just doesn't matter.

(01:11:22):
We know these games exist, games right right, But again,
like and and just for people, and Adam, I know
you know this, Adam Kramer joining US college football writer
for Bleacher Report. I'm Doug Gottlieb along with the Joishman's
out of this is the Dan Patrick Show. Like there
are people like, well, why don't you eliminate those games? Well,
first of all, there's a hundred and twenty Division one teams,
so you're eliminating that. That's it's it's a ridiculous amount

(01:11:45):
of money made not just by each of the football programs,
but also the towns. Like college towns, they're built on
the six or seven home games at the all the hotels,
everything is built upon those home games. You take those
away for all of the teams, just so you know,
four teams can have an additional home game, Like, that's
not it's not ever. I'm just telling you that the

(01:12:08):
buy games that everybody thinks could very easily go away,
those are not going away because it's not just the
business of sport, but the business of a college town
and and the business of other athletic departments depend on
I mean, this is yeah, you could stretch it into
Savannah States existence. You know, I get it. You know
what I mean, Like, I get that. The point if
you want to make it eight teams, you can figure

(01:12:29):
out a way. The calendar I think is your biggest obstacle. Um.
And also you don't want these I think my biggest
concern would be just these kids playing more football, Like
with that is the biggest problem. But if you wanted
to change the postseason, I don't think you have to
do it. And again, I know the recency bias says like, hey,
you've got two teams that do it, like we we
can't do that because we know that's not going to

(01:12:51):
be the case forever. Um, there's gonna be years and
there hasn't been many truthfully, I mean that the playoff
as now, as of now has been pretty clean. There's
been a little controversy what you had Ohio State in
year one blast Wisconsin the Big Ten championship game and
get in over a TCU team that looked really really good. Um.
You know, you had Alabama get in as not without

(01:13:11):
winning its conference and then win the hold On thing.
So I think ultimately it's fine as is um, but
it does feel like as of now it's missing something,
whether that's two teams or four teams or just more
interesting football. That that's what we'll have to find out.
The Manny Diaz thing where he is the d C,
he leaves and takes the Temple job and he comes back.

(01:13:31):
I mean the one thing that jumps out of me
is like, has anybody figured out that Mark Rick probably
didn't retire right? Did that? Like didn't get he got fired? Right?
I mean then that then or maybe then E. D.
S would have known he's gonna retire, right he would
He wouldn't have left for Temple like something happened there
where he many went from taking a Temple job, which
seemed like an odd fit, to oh, hey, by the way,

(01:13:54):
I'm retiring, why don't you come back home. One of
the strangest situation as ins around and surrounding coaching, you know, higher, fire, retire,
whatever you want to call it. Ums was there for
like a week, right, Temple gets four million dollars, I believe,
like they get they get six and a half because
they paid they paid two and a half of the
offensive coordinator and so they get six. Like listen, and

(01:14:17):
people are like, oh, Temple got screwed this thing. No,
they didn't. Like they're they're gonna hire They're gonna hire
a new head coach and many Diaz is gonna pay
for it six and a half million dollars. It's a
whole staff at Temple. Yeah, exactly. That money is meaningful there.
I I'm curious what happened, you know. I think ultimately
mark Rick looks at what he's facing him, this Miami
situation is much better off than it was before he arrived.

(01:14:39):
They were a mess. Um, But next year you've got
your best playmaker transferring to Illinois. You've got one of
your other offensive players, um deciding like you don't want
to be here. Your defense was really really good offensively, though,
the quarterback position has kind of been um a quandary
that they were not able to solve. And again there's
no immediate help inside. If I'm Mark Rick, I just

(01:14:59):
look at that and say, am I able to do this?
Like I watched that Bowl game too, right? I mean
you watched that game and you thought this probably isn't
gonna go great next year or the year after. They're
not recruiting that well, so maybe that's the case. You know.
I haven't heard any different like he was you know,
pushed out of there or anything else. But um, yeah,
Mark Gregg, I think at this point golf sounds good

(01:15:21):
after watching that Bowl game. If I'm him, I would
think the golf course would be a pretty good release
for me. Man, he got beaten into retirement. They got
beaten down so bad, got beating retired. But that sounds
like a like a like a boxer. Um, all right,
let's kind of go through these really really quick with
Adam Kramer. Um U CEF with a backup quarterback against
l s U, who wins l s U. But it'll

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be tight, basically, i'd say, you CEF covers, but I
think they'll they'll give a good shot at this one,
more points than people expect. Um Washington, Ohio State and
what we're told as Myer's last game. Yeah, yeah, we'll see. Um,
I actually like Washington. I think this is a fun schematic,
the interesting game. I can't wait to watch Washington secondary,

(01:16:03):
who can actually actually cover people, try and cover those
those Ohise should be good. I will say this about
Ohio State, like they have a lot of dudes that
it felt like when they wanted to play, they could
really play. But there are also plenty of games where
like Washington has done a great job of developing the kids,
they get great job under Chris Peterson. Yeah, I'm not sure.

(01:16:26):
I'm not a big Jake Browning guy. I kind of
feel like he was. He was so good early because
they had been so bad, and I feel like he
kind of got exposed a little bit. We'll see against
that Ohio State defensive front where if they play right,
if those dudes play like they can, they can get
out of defensively like like he said, you do. Secondary

(01:16:47):
is pretty good. Um, all right, last one, Texas who
are they back? Are they not back? Against Georgia? Who
we all think I think, you know, if he really
lined up the four teams should have been in the playoffs.
But but this is it's a fascinating game. Texas have
a shot. I think they have a shot. Yeah, I
mean does Georgia want to be there? Probably there without
you know, a really good player in their secondary. Um,

(01:17:10):
I think Georgia wins. I think Texas probably keeps it
close enough to cover that line. Clemson Alabama, who do
you like? I like Alabama, but barely. I mean, it's
gonna be fun to two great quarterbacks. I was at
the Cotton Bowl. I thought Trevor Lawrence. I mean Trevor
Lawrence is that dude. I mean he looks the part
um and and Clemson will not be scared of this game, clearly.
But I still think Alabama, if if possible, they look

(01:17:32):
disinterested in a playoff game, they looked, well, they're they're
twenty eight to nothing. I think was everybody was disinterested.
I mean that we were trying to make that game
a lot more interesting than it actually was, which is
what we do. But I like Alabama, though. I think
will suspended players be able to play for Clemson? I
don't think so. No, I don't think so. I think
that's um a long shot at best, to be quite

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honest right now, which is a big deal. I mean,
that's a three time man in the middle of your defense.
That you're not gonna have against a really, really good
offensive Lauren Adam Kramer, college football writer and a good
one for Bleach Report fall on Twitter at Kegs and Eggs. Adam,
thanks so much for joining us. An appy New Year too,
coming coming up next, t J. We'll get into this
Antonio Brown deal and what you do if you're the

(01:18:15):
Pittsburgh Steelers and why t J believes that Antonio Brown
should do everything in his power to stay where he
is with the Steelers. We'll explain next on The Dan
Patrick Show. Happy New Year to here, Doug Gotli, t J, Hushman, Zada.
This is the Dan Patrick Show, first of January two
thousand and nineteen. Do Do Do Do? TJ. Antonio Brown

(01:18:39):
obviously is uh somebody whose name is very much in
the news. As the story goes, He and Ben got
into it midweek last week. He throw a football at
Ben Roethlisberger, left left practice, doesn't return, doesn't return calls
or text, no shows on walk through on Saturday, shows

(01:19:00):
up Sunday like he was ready to play and they
didn't let him dress. They made it out like he
had some sort of knee injury. He was in back,
a healthy scratch. So now there's like, look, you've seen you,
you played in college, you played professionally with Chad Johnson.
Obviously there's a connection of both being South Florida guys.
How similar is this to to how Chad you stacked

(01:19:22):
uh from what is me and reported? Very similar? Very similar? Now,
what about as players? Because because here's what I was
told about about Chad Johnson's Like, look, the reason it
didn't work in New England was because, I mean, in
addition to a couple of times, you know, covering up
the tight end and his alignment not being right. Like, look,
he was like a freelancer. He just he he'd do

(01:19:46):
what he thought that he could do, and he was
a freak talent. But Tom wants you to be exactly
where you're supposed to be, so so that when he
gets up to the line of scrimmage, he knows who's
open and where they're gonna be open and when they're
gonna be open. And that ultimately why it didn't why
it didn't work for him. How how accurate is that
in terms of the breakdown of kind of what made

(01:20:08):
him as a player. That's that's a pretty good assessment,
you know, Chad had been in since he his whole career,
and you get used to running your routes a certain way,
doing things a certain way, and it's hard to change
that within an offseason. It's hard. You know, the coaches

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got used to him doing things a certain way, Carson
got used to his body movements in him running routes
a certain way. And then you go to another team
and they weren't once things done their way, and now
you're saying, I've been doing this for teen years. Now
I have to change and he just wasn't able to
do it. Okay, So, um, can can a relationship be fixed?

(01:20:49):
Like if you haven't held Antonio Brown accountable enough through
his career where he knows he can't behave this way,
especially in a must win game, and he's been rewarded
with a huge contracts, it's not like they haven't fund
intially reward him. And how do you fix it? If
you're the Steelers, you have to sit them down Tomlin,
Ben and a B and just trying to figure out

(01:21:13):
what is going on. You know, it's a problem. When
Big Ben came out and said, I wish I had
thrown the ball all four times to Juju, and that
didn't sit well with Antonio brun It just and the team.
The team, by the way, awarded Juju Smith Schuster their
team m VP because he's a he's an easy going dude.

(01:21:34):
He's just he's young. He just wants to have fun
and he he's not putting his ego. He's his ego
is not at the forefront. He's just playing football and
having fun. And they see that the guys he's infectious.
The guys on the team want to be around him
and Big Ben in that Tony. They gotta fix this
because Big Ben. You saw that game with the Bengals,

(01:21:57):
it wasn't the Bengals been struggling defensively and Ben didn't
have a Big Ben game without Antonio Brown. So they
need to figure out a way to make it work
because they need each other. They do need each other.
But if you're Antonio Brown, do you need the Steelers
or you like sitting there going like, you know, I'll
just go somewhere else. Antonio Brown thinks what you just said,
I'll go somewhere else and show you. But it's not

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I would be I'm of the opinion when you've been
on a team for at least eight years as a receiver.
You should just try everything in your power to stay
and finished. Number One, the coaches know you very well.
They know your positives, your negatives, what you do well,
what you don't do well, And the same with Ben.
And you go to another team, they're not they're not

(01:22:40):
gonna put up with certain things just because maybe they're
not used to it. You're not gonna get fifteen targets
a game like you're used to. So that's gonna create
a problem because you're used to be a targeted so
often and you go to a team and they don't
target you as much, you're gonna be upset about that.
And so stay where you're at if you can, and
find in the way to make it work, because when

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you go to that other side, it's the unknown, and
a lot of times that unknown isn't what you want
to be in. That's honestly, it's not that different than
in business. It just isn't. But you don't you know
a lot of that. It's not that different in terms
in marriage. Dude, do you get married for a while
and you're like, you know, you you take for granted
the fact that the other that your your spouse puts

(01:23:22):
up with all your ind issyncrasies because that's just kind
of who you are, and you don't you don't realize.
Like when I went to Seattle. I left Cincinnati and
went to Seattle, and I could remember running routes a
certain way and Greg Napple's offensive coordinator, and he was like,
I don't want you to run arount like that. I
want you to run like this, And in my mind,
I was like, this is the better way to run
arout Like I've been taught this my entire life, not

(01:23:44):
just in Cincinnati by my trainer. Any Time you run arount,
you come downhill, you don't run out. You run out,
they can undercut you. I come downhill, they can't undercut you.
And he didn't want me to come down and I
was like, I don't agree with that, and so I
did it my way, but he wanted another way, and
I didn't agree. I didn't think his way was the
best way. Little things like that that happens, and it's

(01:24:09):
it's minor, but it isn't minor because we both see
things differently. And I've had success doing it in my
way and he's had success doing it his way, and
you just don't. You want to avoid that if you can,
which which is why now the one caveat to that
is if you can go somewhere where you gotta rab
bi in the room, you've got somebody who you've worked

(01:24:30):
with before, who knows all you know, Like if your
wide receivers coach was in Seattle and so he was like, look,
you do it your way here because and he knows
how you operate like your position coaches somewhere else. Sometimes
that can That's why a lot of guys follow their
position coaches when they signed with the new team. Then,
and that's why coaches want their players is because you
know how I operate. You know how I want things.

(01:24:53):
Now you show the other guys on the team because
you know how I wanted. So that's less coaching and
teach and that I have to do because you can
help me on that front as well. Best best guess, Look,
the levy on thing, I think obviously screwed him up. Um.
The defensive backfield needs some help. The offensive line wasn't
the greatest in the world. The play calling two pass heavy.

(01:25:15):
They didn't just run run the football. If if if
they would call you in and say Hey, look, we
want you to analyze this thing. Can those three co
exist for another year and get back to the playoffs? Oh?
Most definitely offensive line of if they run the ball more.
I actually think their old line is pretty good being
hold the ball a lot because he gets extra yards.
But can they co exist? They can make it work.

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(01:27:20):
New Year to you, Live from Los Angeles. This is
the Dan Patrick Show on Fox Sports Radio. You know,
there's there's things that we in sports like that people
who don't like sports don't really get into. I'm gonna
just tell you right now. I am so glad that
I am not into the Rose Bowl parade. They've been

(01:27:47):
preparing for this Rose Bowl for a while. The parade,
I'm not into it either. And it's colde out considering
for us. Listen, here here's it's actually it's I think
it's cold for just about anywhere today. Right, it's cold.
Uh does anybody know who's singing? Who is who? That is?
That little do this? They thought it was a Jonas brother,

(01:28:08):
but I don't think it is. I don't think it's
a Jonas brother. But apparently they have Rose Bowl dancers
who knew right for the kickoff of the of the
Tournament of Roses parade. But like these people stayed up
all night. People were on the corner with heaters, in

(01:28:29):
blankets and couches and just getting their spot ready to go.
It's a tradition for the people that live in Pasadena.
They really look forward to this. Now, look um. I'll
also point out that in terms of what would you rather?
Would you rather stay up all night for the Rose
Bowl parade or go to the the dropping of the

(01:28:50):
ball in New York City? And if you watched that
last night, just down a day loose downpour, too cold
and raining and and there's a hun of people around, which, seriously, what,
I don't care how much it is on your bucket list.
That's like one of those things where if you're in
a hotel in New York and like, man, I spend

(01:29:11):
all this money, it's on my bucket list. I want
to go to watch the ball drop And then you're like,
it's cold, it's raining outside, there's people everywhere. I'm not
doing that. I'm just getting into bed and watching it. Well,
you're like me, That's what I would have done, because
it seemed like it was really cold in New York.
It was really cold. I mean Ryan uh Ryan um Seacrest.
I mean he was just like he was soaked, don't

(01:29:33):
I mean, don't worry. He's gonna wipe his tears with
a hundred dollar bills, right, But but that that one, Okay?
So would you rather? Would you rather sit outside in
the cold pastena and watch the Tournament of Roses parade?
But you gotta stay up all night and stay till
the end of the parade or three hours in a
downpour full of crowds of people in New York City. Man,

(01:29:55):
I'd probably do the crowds of people in New York City. Really,
I'd rather do rose Ball. I think you got to
stay up all night through it. It's cold, and you're bored,
at least if I'm in New York City. But I
won't be bored. It's I'll have something to do. I
can put something on that will keep me warm and dry.

(01:30:18):
But and it's a lot of people around, so it's
a lot of body heat. It shouldn't be as bad.
But stand up, I don't feel like the body heat
thing works in the in the coal. In the rain,
it's almost like rain, uh stops the conduction of body heat.
That's what it feels like to make. Man. Did you
see everybody had those little plastic covers on. Yeah, that
just if you have to have a plastic cover on
your body, you should not be outside. And imagine the

(01:30:40):
women that got really cute and dressed up and plastic
cover on it, got some red bottoms, the red bottoms
just for that night. They go out to a wonderful
dinner and they're like, all right, now, let's go watch
the ball drop. Let's cover ourselves up with some with
some plastic. Anyway, Rose Bowl Parade is underway. We got
a big day of college football. We'll cover it. Will
prey you at Charles Davis gonna join his course. Charles

(01:31:02):
covers both college and the NFL for Fox with his
thoughts on on some of these coaching changes and coaching
firings in the National Football League what it means. And
of course we have wild Card weekend which is upon us.
We got the Dana Holgersson story, which is interesting. Leaves
West Virginia to go transferred to Houston. We have the
Antonio Brown story where apparently he was a healthy scratch

(01:31:25):
last week because he got into a verbal kerfuffle with
his quarterback Ben Roethlisberger through a football at Ben Roethlisberger
and then uh, no show to practice, shows up game
day expecting to play, and they sit him down. So
we got all of those, all of those things working,
and yeah, we got a little hoop as well to
talk about. I want to get into something that that

(01:31:46):
you and I haven't discussed, which is the re emergence
of Andrew Luck. Were you and Andrew Luck guy before
the season? I mean, I like Andrew Luck. He's a
good quarterback. Um, it feels like there's a butt there. No, no, no, no,
But he just hasn't had the butt. Is if you
you look at the quarterbacks that over the course of

(01:32:07):
history the NFL have done well, They've always had really
good pieces around them. He has t Y Hilton, but
outside of that, he hasn't had that compliment the running game,
the offensive line um to help him out, or even
a defense for that matter. And so it was I

(01:32:28):
was curious asked how he would come back from the injury,
missing the entire year, especially with your throwing shoulder. And
he didn't start off great and the team didn't start
off great. But man, that they're rolling, and you you
think about that team and how young they are and
how well they're playing. It's only gonna get better from Yeah.

(01:32:49):
And so they get to go into Houston to place
where they've won and a team that they feel like
they got to like them even when they weren't playing well,
and neither team was playing well, they should have at
least tied at home. Instead they went forward. How crazy
is that that when they're on their own forty three
yard line? And I said it the very next day.
I thought it was a mistake. Like, you know, everybody
has this like negative image of tying, but when when

(01:33:10):
you're you're they wouldn't have one by getting a first down.
They simply would have gotten a first down. By getting
a first down, time was not a bad thing. And
had they tied, they would have home field this weekend. Yeah,
I would rather tie than lose. Yes, But but that's
not that's not the way they look at it like that.
It was weird when that happened, and after that they

(01:33:31):
started to play better. Yes, it's it's crazy how that works. Um, oh,
we're not playing to lose, We're playing to win. They
don't say we're playing the tie, and nobody plays a tie,
but you'd rather tied and lose. And since that game,
for whatever reason, the team they started to play remarkably better. Um,

(01:33:51):
Marvin Lewis was one of the coaches that lost his
job yesterday. Of course you're forever tied to Marvin. With
your time as a pro bowler with the Cincinnati Bengals
sixteen years didn't win a playoff game, Um, I thought,
I mean obviously, like, look, if you want to go
into it, you had one playoff game where where Carson
Palmer gets rolled up on tears, his tears, his a

(01:34:11):
c l against Chimo van oldhoffin right rolls up on him.
You have the other one with the Pittsburgh Steelers, which
was the most recent one, where they have the game
won and they just melt a series of meltdowns. And
I thought bad calls as well, combination to some self
some self inflicted, some official inflicted, then some Pittsburgh Steeler inflicted.
But do you believe that it was time that they

(01:34:33):
had to had to move on? Ah? Yeah, I would say, yes,
you know, it just it was time this year for
whatever reason, they got eighteen guys on Asian reserve, maybe twenty.
Andy Dawn gets hurt. A J. Green gets hurt. You
two best players on office, probably two best players on
the team, you know, from from the offensive standpoint, and

(01:34:55):
they just defensively they were I'm terrible of you can
use another adjective besides terrible, That's what they were. And
they just couldn't get it together. And Marvin just they
played better once he took over the defensive they had
they had they had the bad game against Cleveland, the
first game against Cleveland and again against New Orleans Saints,

(01:35:17):
and after that they were actually pretty good. They were
pretty good on defense and so and they didn't have
Andy Dalton and didn't have what everything that they didn't
have a J. Green. Most of the year they didn't
have them. And so I talked to Marvin yesterday and
he didn't sound like he was disappointed and being let go.
He was just kind of disappointed that he didn't do more.

(01:35:39):
And I'm like, coach, like, do you realize how it
was when you got here? How was it? I mean,
I thought it was fine. But when he got there
and so many things changed, you start to realize, Like
what I said, earlier strippers came on training during training,
camp stopped all of that. We didn't stand hotels before

(01:36:01):
he got there. We stayed in hotels. We didn't have
water or gatorade in the locker room. We got water
and gatorade in the locker room. We didn't have water,
gatorade locker room. Just little just little things like that. Um,
like Marvin, I tell my kids now, nothing good happens
after midnight. Marvin Lewis told us that pretty much every day. Um,

(01:36:25):
Marvin was on the phone forefront. We used to have meetings.
Do not put your hand on a woman. This is
in two thousand and four and five. He's telling us this, guys,
when you got do not put your hand on We
would have meetings about when you go out, and I
never forget one time we had a discussion if we
were in the club and a woman thought you touched
her and it wasn't you, and she smacked you, how

(01:36:47):
would you handle that? And he was do not touch her.
If she mistakenly smacks you in the face, do not
touch her. Like we were having these discussions in two
thousand and five, and way before the NFL was talking
about this stuff, Marvin was bringing this to us. So
not only was he coaching us, he was trying to
develop us as young men. You know, we were all young,

(01:37:10):
and so you kind of gloss over those things at
the time. But then when you reflect and look back
on and you say, man, Marvin did a good job
of not only helping us learn the game with football,
but he was helping us in life as men. I
guess then the question becomes when does when does wins
and losses and disappoint season And look, I mean obviously
Andy Dalton seemed to have topped out as well, right

(01:37:31):
like they got They got as much out of Andy
as they as they could. He was he was Kirk
Cousins before Kirk Cousins. The thing with Andy Dalton, and
it's pretty much every quarterback that's not Tom Brady, Drew Brees,
Aaron Rodgers, Andrew Luck and now looks like Russell Wilson,
Carson Wentz. Maybe you have to surround him with a

(01:37:51):
great team. Andy Dalton has to be protected. And my
me and Marvin talked about this. Marvin loves Andy Dalton.
He's like t J. The kid is so smart. He'll
hanks protection so get us out of a bad play.
These are things nobody knows. Like he's a coach, Like
he is literally a coach on the field for every play.
But things have to be You have to really give

(01:38:11):
him an old line. He hasn't had that old line
that can protect him. Um. He has a great receiver
in a j A. He has a pretty He's always
had a decent running game with good running backs. But
if they can fortify that offensive line, the being defensively
their solid. Charles Davis gonna join us up coming next.
We'll get his thoughts on the coaching moves and whether

(01:38:33):
or not he believes Josh McDaniels should be a candidate
after what took place last offseason in Indianapolis. We'll get
you ready for wild card weekend as well as a
wild day of bowl season with Jins out. I'm Doug Gottlieb.
That's up coming next on The Dan Patrick Show. Doug
got Lebe, t jnis Manzana in for Danna Dan as
Dan Patrick Show, Fox Boards Radio, joined now by Charles Davis,

(01:38:55):
Fox NFL analyst. Of course, he's kept the college game,
because the pro game. He does it all. Charles, Happy
New Year to you, Happy New Year, guys, Happy New
Year to yourselves and your families and all your loved
ones and anyone can hear our voices. Hope it's going well.
It's it's it's going really really well. UM, I still
think we got to react to a week seventeen with you.
UM let's start with Minnesota. We we've discussed it and

(01:39:18):
t j uh. TJ has kind of pointed out the
issues and offensive line, but they also the issues with
Kirk Cousins, the remarkably bad winning percentage against winning teams
during his time in both Washington and Minnesota. How much
of the blame for their failures do you put on
the quarterback shoulders? Unfortunately, you have to put a decent
amount on it because he is the QB. He knew

(01:39:41):
what he signed up for. There's no getting around it.
I think that everyone can make their case for other things,
which is fine, and there's a lot, definitely an element
of truth to it, more than an element. If TJ
has talked about the offensive line, I co signed with
that t J. I had them week one and they
were already struggling because Pat flying their center and you

(01:40:01):
know they had not come back yet. And you know
it was Mike Reremers a guard or a tackle and
I had never been convinced about him since Super Bowl fifty,
where you know, and even before that, and right on
down the line. Then you get into some of the
receiver issues. People don't talk about that very much. Who
really was the number three because the Kwan Treadwell should
have been Go back to the early part of the season.

(01:40:22):
Guys drops like crazy, you know, not picking up key
first downs. Has not lived up to the number one status.
They can look at John d. Philippo and say, well,
he's the problem because he didn't run the ball enough.
I don't know that that's accurate. Check it out during
the year. But when it's time to make plays, it's
time to get it done. That's what Kirk Cousins signed

(01:40:44):
up for. And I like Kirk a ton and I
saw him win a big game in Seattle two years
ago with an offensive line that was horrible and got
it done with some big plays, but consistently the numbers
showed the tale. It's one of those things is when
when you get eighty four million dollars guaranteed in when

(01:41:05):
the quarterbacks, we know this, they get way too much
credit when things go great, and they take way too
much of the blame when things go bad. That's the
nature of the position that they played. Where does Minnesota
go from here? Do obviously they're stuck with Kirk Cousins
of the quarterback. Do they need to put all their
resources and fortifying that offensive line because you pretty much

(01:41:27):
are stuck with him as your QB. I would start
there and t J. I wouldn't consider it stuck as
much as we know what we've got and there's a
lot of good in there with Kirk Cousins, but you've
got to build around him. He's not one of those
few quarterbacks and we probably did and you described it
so accurately. There's always too much credit, too much blame,

(01:41:48):
and a lot of times we mythologize some of these
quarterbacks like they did it all on their own, and
we know that's not true. But Kirk's not one of
those guys, in my humble opinion, that you just throw
the game on his shoulders. And there you go. You
got a few guys like that that you would say, yeah,
I just put it on him and let's see where
we go. He's not one. So I would make sure
that offensive line is fortified and if you can, and

(01:42:10):
you know, the hard part is with your runners, can
you keep them healthy? Because Dalvin Cook went healthy is
as good as there is. He's really good. And Otavius
Murray is a big time player to get your one
two punch back. But I still say, say, third receiver,
that's a big one. Who's gonna be the extra guy
to take some pressure off of digs and feeling. That's
the voice that Charles Davis, of course, is Fox NFL analysts.

(01:42:32):
He joins us here on the Dan Patrick Show on
Fox Sports Trado with t J. Housh Benzata. I'm Doug
gottlieb Um. Eight guys get fired. Obviously, there's a healthy
dose of them who are African American head coaches to
only two remain. Um Like, look, obviously what happened in
Arizona is probably the most alarming because of the issues

(01:42:52):
off the field with the general manager, the issues with
their offensive line, with massive hostel injuries and it's just
his first year. Um, what's your reaction to to to
black Monday? Yeah, I mean I actually had a a
colleague who also happens to be black as I am,
call me and go boy. We really named it, unfortunately

(01:43:15):
right on target Black Monday, didn't we And you know,
I mean, you know it's Gallows humor. As we know.
I had um there's on the Cardinals Week sixteen guys
against the Rams. In the atmosphere around there, we weren't
sure going in. We'd heard the rumors. We spent time,
we didn't really address it much with Steve Wilkes, other
than you know, him saying, hey, I'm planning on being here,

(01:43:37):
which of course was the right answer. And then right
before kickoff talk to some people and at that point
my partner I looked at each other and said, I
think the GM is gonna be here and the head
coach is gonna be gone. And it's one of those
issues where, yes, we can throw that into the pot
about the lack of of of black or African American
head coaches and how many are getting fired at one time,

(01:43:58):
but you take them case by case, and I think
there's some legitimacy in what we're looking at in terms
of the hiring. I mean, in the firings. The problem
I have is and the the challenge I think is
when he when when when we lose a good number
of them, like we are, now, who's in the pipeline
that is going to get on equal footing to be
considered next to fill in because we can jump up

(01:44:21):
and down, scream and yell a boy, Steve Wilks only
get him one year. We've had white coaches who have
been established who have gotten one year. Pete Carroll got
one year with the Jets with a better record. Okay,
Ray now, now, Ray Roads was a black coach, got
one year in Green Bay. Marty Schottenheimer, white coach, got
one year in Washington. I'm just naming him off the

(01:44:42):
top of my head. So it's not it's not always
apples to oranges on this thing. Sometimes there is something
that goes. But who else is in the pipeline? Because
we're the concern is Adam Gates gets fired in Miami
and immediately we're talking about him interviewing at other head
coaching places. What coach that got fired has immediately been

(01:45:02):
put into the pipeline. Hey, he can go coach with this.
But at another place, I think I think Marvin Lewis
has got a shot. Marvin's got a shot if he
wants it. I think it's not helping him. And I
would tell him this if I were sitting next to him,
and he would tell me, I can go pound saying
because Hugh Jackson is is a very good friend of his,
I coach with you. I consider him a very good friend.

(01:45:22):
I don't know that you can endorse you to be
a head coach right now? Okay, I just don't know
what you can do that and and and have people
look at you and go, Okay, that works. I'm not
saying you shouldn't get a chance down the road again, perhaps,
but I just don't know how you can just say
that in this hiring cycle, that that's a legitimate deal.
And that's where things get difficult. And I know you can.
You will probably be mad at me, and I don't
and I wouldn't blame him, but I just don't know

(01:45:44):
how you can you can say that and make that
part work. But is Eric the enemy going to get
some interviews you know with Steve Wolves get another chance
right away? We know the answer is no. That's where
the issue falls from me. I see these guys lose
jobs and immediately their candidates elsewhere and they're coming off
a losing record. It's Todd Bowls a candidate right away. No,
The problem is, in my opinion, and you can talk

(01:46:05):
about this, is they want coaches that can develop quarterbacks,
and African American coaches they're not. They're not they're not
put in that position quarterbacks. But up until the last
twenty years, you know how many think about think about
this though, how many coaches in the NFL that coach

(01:46:27):
quarterbacks that played it. There's not very many, not very many.
The teams that I were on, none of the quarterback
coaches played quarterback. And so Chris Rochard quarterback guru, he's
an offensive lineman, right, And and that's my point. You
don't have to coach quarterbacks to be able to explain

(01:46:50):
to them, to teach them the game. And that that
the problem is there's not many African American coaches that
are assistants, that are put in positions of power so
to speak, that gives them an opportunity to be viable
head coaching candidates. And I think that is probably the
biggest concern um And it's what you said. It's two

(01:47:11):
of them that I can name off, maybe three, Brian
flor Eric b Enemy and Chris Rochard. Yeah, and and
then let me throw one other thing in there too.
And this is where Flores and Richard are going to
struggle a little bit, because we are in a cycle
of offense right now. And to t J's point, the
offensive guys are the first people they are looking for
right now, because if you take a look at the

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black coaches, they got fired or left their jobs. Marvin Lewis,
what was he defensive guy, Todd Bowles defense, Steve Wilkes defense. Okay,
so you go down the line with guys who are
losing jobs. They came in on the defensive cycle. And
to t J's point, again, more opportunities on that side
of the ball for black coaches. The guys who are

(01:47:54):
coaching quarterbacks, the guys who were calling plays, they're not there.
So oh oh oh that's not good that they're never good.
Sound right there, But we we see where he was going.
It's just the opportunity for coaches that coach in the
NFL and to get any type of significance on an

(01:48:18):
offensive staff. It just doesn't happen in the NFL for
black coaches. It's not very many. Yeah, no, it's it's
it's going to be fascinating to see how the league
and if the league continues to evolve. And just I'm
thinking right now, and I could be wrong. There's only
there was only one African American offensive coordinator off my
head that I can think of right now, and that

(01:48:40):
was Byron Left, which and he got that midway through
the season. That was it um And of course Byron
left for former quarterback. That is fascinating the old guys
that didn't play or quarterback gurus, right, and it's that's
a hard one. Have you you're you're played for somebody
who didn't play. Yes, I played for one receiver coaches.

(01:49:00):
I never had a receiver coach that that knew more
than me about the receiver position. They could teach me football,
but they could position. Like I played for John McCloud
at Notre Dame and he coached eighteen years in the NBA,
and like I remember thinking, like he didn't know, he
has no idea about college basketball. He had been in

(01:49:21):
college basketball back he had coached at Oklahoma back in
the day, and he'd been in a college basket for
a couple of years. And I just remember, like I
learned a lot and we were we I learned a
ton about motion basketball whatever. But playing for a dude
that hadn't played, I was like, this dude does not
He's not seeing the same thing I'm seeing. It does

(01:49:41):
not happen. No, it doesn't happen that much in basketball
all the time. In basketball almost never, almost never. And
it's so different as opposed to basketball. Most guys a
lot of point guards the entire they're friends. It doesn't
matter what position. Um, Charles, let's let's let's get to Josh.
Go ahead, he sorry about that guy's My apologies to
that Fisher priced phone. I thought I got a new

(01:50:03):
one this year. That's why. Well we hope for that
for the for the new year. Josh McDaniels had the
Colts job, backed out of the cold job. Now now
he gets an opportunity to talk to the Green Bay Packers. Um,
how much does what happened last year affect whether or
not Green Bay goes after him? Not as much as
as it would to other people. And and and I

(01:50:25):
don't want to turn this into a total manifesto on
black of black and white and what have you. But
Josh also having been a head coach and a quarterback
guru with the Packers franchise that sees their windows shutting
fast because of Aaron Rodgers and where he is. If
Josh comes in and says all the right things about
what happened with the Colts, I don't think that the

(01:50:47):
Packers will hold that against him. They've got to get
something done where someone is going to connect with Aaron
and have a chance to try and win another Super
BOWLB report's all said and done. Because I believe Aaron's
t J so so at this stage, I don't think
that it will be held against him quite like it
would with other people because he went back to a
place that continues to turn out excellent. He's back there

(01:51:09):
with Tom Brady and what he says to them privately,
we'll take care of business. Because I have a feeling
Josh is smart enough to know the right things to
say and fall on the sword the right amount. I
think other people they wouldn't even get this interview. But
this is big for Green Bay because their window is
shutting bath and they've got to get this done with
someone that Aaron Rodger's going to connect with respect and

(01:51:30):
be able to run an offense that that that gives
him a chance to win. Sean McVeigh leaves Washington Redskins
becomes the head coach of the Rounds and literally turns
Jared Golf from a bus to a really good player.
Now it looks like everybody's looking for that early thirty
year old coach that that can duplicate what he has done.

(01:51:51):
Zach Taylor's getting interviews and other young offensive quote unquote gurus.
Is there a guy out there that nobody's talking about
that can kind of come under the radar in land
a job. That's a great question, t J because Eric
b Enemy is doing that with Patrick Mahomes and probably
not getting much credit for it because the perception is,

(01:52:14):
and I believe and Andy Reid is calling plays. See.
So so there there's there's an issue right there that
in any other time he would be a guy that
would all be jumping on because, as you took pointed out,
Sean McVeigh, begat mc Mattneggie last year, he didn't call
plays in Washington. Huh, well, look the guy guy who

(01:52:35):
won the Super Bowl, he didn't call it plays. You know,
like we're sitting there looking at and you're like, Doug
Peterson didn't call plays when he was in Kansas City.
He got the head coaching job in Philadelphia, and and
and and called the place he won a Super Bowl.
Don't forget this. You know Urban Meyer got his first
job at Bowling Green never called play. So here's the
thing people have to keep in mind. Do you better

(01:52:57):
have a guy who's got some presents? T J. You
can describe this better, Doug, you can describe it better
because of the levels of ball that you played. But
you got that person who walks into the room commanding
the Commanding the room is not just a press conference phrase.
It's commanding the room in all situations. Sean McVeigh does
that at his youthful age. So when I hear people say, hey,

(01:53:18):
let's go get Lincoln Riley because he's blowing it up
in Oklahoma, or let's go get this other guy, does
that guy have that same presence that when they walk
into that room and and and not just putting out
their knowledge, but when things get bumpy, that that team
is going to respect. Because Sean went through a little
few bumps this year. You know who's the best lost that.
It seems like Mike Tomlin commands the room every time

(01:53:42):
he walks there. I listen. I agree. Let's let me
get into the Tomlin thing. Charles, I know you've you've
read the story. We've talked about it all morning. You
talked about Antonio Brown, Big Ben one. Yeah, so and
and for people are just doing this. Happy New Year
to you. Charles Davis is our guest course NFL on
Fox analyst t J. Hushman's out for a Pro Bowl
wide receiver from Doug Gotlia. This is the Dan Patrick Show.

(01:54:03):
The story is Antonio Brown got into it with with
with Ben going back to midweek last week, throw a
football at Ben stores out of practice and then does
a return text doesn't show up the rest of the week,
shows up on Sunday game day and uh and wants
to play and Mike Tomlin doesn't doesn't play him. So
the question now is can you can you put the

(01:54:25):
with the was the genie back in the bottle? Like
what do you do now? If you're Mike Tomlin, who
we all agree, if you've ever met Mike Tomlin, you're
like that guy takes over a room, right, he feels
like it feels like a head coach. But with all
the respect that he's got, you still have a mess
of dysfunction in Pittsburgh. Yeah, and and I don't think
it's all Mike's going to have to do the job,

(01:54:46):
and he'll do it better, better than than most of us.
Of it's not just Antonio Brown throwing a ball, big bend.
What precipitated it? How much of that is is in
both camps that led to that was Antonio Brown's actions
actually justified from a distance answers no in terms of
stand away from your team and then showing up Sunday
wanting to play. So to me, Mike Tomlin did the

(01:55:08):
only thing he could do. You you can't play, you
know the otherwise I lose the rest of the team
and they won without him. Okay, so that helps his
cause going forward. But these are not the first bumps
they've had. They've had more and more of these bumps
in recent years. That's gonna be Mike tom Lynch's challenge.
But I will tell you this, if anyone's then gets solved,
I would bet on him. I still remember John Lynch

(01:55:29):
tell me about when Tomlin took over as the secondary coach.
You guys probably heard this story. Johnson all Pro safety,
and here comes Mike Tomlin, who's never worked with before
Tomlin meets him. Nice to meet you, John. Here you go.
Here's about fifty things that I took off of your
film that I want you to work on to get
better next year. What well, what I'm gonna all? Pro?

(01:55:49):
Who are you? And it really threw John off in
the beginning, and then as he went through it and
Mike stayed true to the course and coaching him as
hard as you could suco CoA coach guy. Their trust
in their bond is beyond beyond belief now. So that's
what you get out of Mike Tomlin throughout. But Antonio
Brown's gonna have to hit the mark too. You know.
It's funny. I was I was that. I was that

(01:56:09):
Clemson earlier this year. I did a show at Clemson
and I talked to people about Dabbo and they were like,
you know, when Dabo was a wide receiver's coach, that's
where all everyone would go, like you go by his office.
He just he just there's just like an it factor
that that guys have and and that's obviously something that
that Tomlin has as well. Let me let me let

(01:56:30):
me get to a story from from yesterday that. I
love your opinion on I value your analysis of college
and pro players at the level or above the level
of just about anybody else in the business. So I
think you could do it. I'm wondering what you think
about may ox ability to do it, which is step
out of TV and then and then go be uh,

(01:56:50):
you know, um a player personnel guy, which essentially what
he's gonna be with the Oakland Raiders. Do you think
it's a good fit. I think it's a really good
fit in terms of Mike's of evaluation of players, Mike's
understanding of how guys transition and translate into the NFL,
about doing the work, about being on the road and
eyeballing them, and then putting his name on things. See,

(01:57:13):
A lot of guys will go out and do all
that evaluation and then get wishy washy when they ask
you in the room, Hey, do you like this guy
or not? Well, I kind of will let No, you
can't have that. Mike will never be that guy. Yes,
I like him, though I don't hear's why how he
and John co exists as you as you alluded to Doug,
that's gonna be an interesting deal. But you will never
have any issues about where Mike stands on players and evaluations,

(01:57:36):
and he will put the time, He will put the work,
and he will be the ultimate grinder. But it's not
just doing work to do work. I think he's doing
work with a really good eye towards understanding and seeing
these kids. Now. The difference is when we do it
on TV? Are we great? Is kind of sort of?
But we can play the hits all the time, can't we.
When we get a guy right our TV people say hey,

(01:57:58):
remember you got him right, You got him right. It's
it's evident whether you're right or wrong now because does
that guy play well or not? You know, it's a
different stamp. But I think Mike transitions well that way.
He's very smart. He built himself up in commercial real estate,
so he understands business. He'll have to pick up some stuff.
But if John Lynch can transition into being a GM

(01:58:18):
and other guys have happened, look Lewis Riddeck, I think
can do it coming from ESPN if they gave him
the opportunity. But I'm all in on Mike being able
to do that as a GM slash player personnel guy
man the way Doug just uh, put you on a pedestal.
Would this be something that you'd be interested in doing yourself?
And if you want Governor Tennessee, they want him to

(01:58:40):
do anything other than the thing he's doing, and he's
a that's awfully kind and awfully nice t J. I'll
put it to you this way. I'd be stupid not
to say that, would be stupid to say that. I
would never do something like that. If someone came to
me and they were crazy enough to, Hey, we want
to talk to you about this, I darn sure would listen. Okay,
no out about it. It's a great challenge, it's a

(01:59:01):
great way to be involved in this. It's it's something
that you know, we all are athletes and we all
want to put our our names out there and say
we accomplished something. Sure, there's no doubt about it. But
remember with Mike, this isn't the first time. Okay, other
people of dances dance with Mike before, including The Raiders
a few years ago with Alt Davis. So it's not
like it's just totally out of the blue. You know.

(01:59:22):
I think a couple of other franchises have reached out
and talked to him privately before, so you know, I'm
really happy for him. It's gonna be an interesting via
for he and John. But John's my old roommate, Mike's
my my TV, my TV colleague and partner. I'm wishing
them both nothing but success. Let me ask you a
couple of things about the games this weekend. Seattle going
into Dallas. Seattle has been way better than expected, mostly

(01:59:43):
based upon running the football with Chris Carson. Defense that
they've remade themselves in in very short order against the
Dallas Cowboys, who have They've figured out their roster and
now they're going to be should be much healthier heading
into this game. Who do you like in Big d
Um In this ball game? It comes down to Russell
Wilson making plays in the fourth quarter. That's like every

(02:00:05):
ball game ever. It feels like Russell Wilson has the
ball down three go yep and and and here's the thing.
This year he's had to do less of total improvisation
because of what you mentioned, Doug. With Chris Carson running
the ball, they figured out the offensive line. You know,
they move people. The Cowboys are bringing Zack Martin backs
off the m C l Okay. Tyrann Smith didn't play

(02:00:28):
last week, Zeke got rest. Everything should be hunk dory.
But to me, Dallas more than Seattle has to play
where Zeke leads them. I think that Seattle can find
a way to survive if somehow they can't run the
ball with Carson, because Russell will make a few more plays.
The Ravens Chargers one is interesting because I felt like
the Chargers finally figured out what the Ravens were doing

(02:00:50):
in the second half, but they couldn't block the Ravens.
They just they got mauled, absolutely mauled the point of
at Tech. Now they have more weapons this week with
they're getting Hunter Henry back, and they got Austin Neckler
who didn't play in the previous in the previous game,
and the Charge has been better. Well, Melvin Gordon played
in that play, did play in the game against the
Ravens two weeks ago. But yeah, they're fully Charges are
fully healthy for the first time all year on the

(02:01:12):
offense side of football. But but it didn't matter because
it couldn't block the Ravens. Can they block the Ravens
in Baltimore this weekend? Tough to do, obviously, we know that.
But I think that Ken Wooz and hunting. Anthony Lynn
will have a little bit different plan going forward with this.
Having all the weapons back means that Philip does not
have to take five steps and hold it all the time.
He can throw those swings to Melvin Gordon. He can

(02:01:34):
check it down quicker with him and often necklif Hunter
Henry coming back now gives him another target in the
middle of the field. And I'm glad Hunter Henry is
actually playing because a few weeks ago he was playing anyway,
moving right along. He's back and and then and then
you over, you flip over to the Baltimore side. If

(02:01:55):
Lamar Jackson can keep his runs under fifteen, I think
that's better for them because right now he's playing single
wing tail back. This is Tim Tebow two point out
more accurate throwing the football. But if he but if
he has twenty six carries, guys, that's too many. I
think the Chargers win this game on the road because

(02:02:15):
their defense will find a way. Even though it looks
like it's Baltimore's defense that wins it. I think that
the Chargers defense, with their offense healthy, now, I think
they go on the road and win. Alright. The last
thing we have we have like thirty seconds. Eagles Eagles Bears. Uh,
it looks it looks like it's gonna be um um,
that's gonna be fools at at quarterback. Bears have made

(02:02:39):
a lot of good quarterbacks look like bad quarterbacks. It's
in Chicago. Who do you like? I do like Chicago
because I don't know the Eagles can get their running
game going well enough, but Keem Hicks Rex people inside
doesn't get enough credit for it. So I think Chicago
finds a way to get this one done. Keem Hicks
and Chris Jones two the best players that I don't
think enough people have have come around to just how
great they've been this year. Uh, Charles, great, great year yourself.

(02:03:02):
We appreciate you join us, Thanks for being our guests,
and happy New Year. They Happy New Year to you guys.
Thanks for having me on and keep kicking butt fellas.
We'll talk to you down this Charles Davis and Fox
NFL analyst along with T J. Ashmins out I'm Doug Gottli.
We'll get you ready for Bull season. It's either their
national champions or the whole thing has been a joke.

(02:03:22):
We'll discuss it next Doug Gottlieb, t Jishman's Atta taking
into the new year. Welcome in. This is the Dan
Patrick Show here on Fox Sports Radio. All right, we
solve most of the world's problems. Most of the world's problems. Um,
many of you are getting ready to watch bull season
really kick. I'm like, this is January first. You know,

(02:03:45):
it's a great day watch football. Amazing day. You gotta
turn the microphone on. Dude, you know it's funny. But
is a buddy of mine just text me, right, Chris
god leaps pretty knowledgeable. I appreciate that's respect you. But see,
see is there any you know why You're probably knowledgeable

(02:04:06):
because he's a Bears fan and you brought up with
keen Um Hicks and he was like, nobody never gives
him any credit. That means he's pretty knowledgeable. That's pretty good.
That's all right. Um, listen, I take it. I take
any compliment as a compiment, even if even if you
you read it in a way which was a negative.

(02:04:29):
It's funny that Yeah, you just mentioned again, I did
a Bears again. I did sideline uh for for the
Bears dolphinsber that Bears Dolphins over the time, everybody's gonna bring.
All you bring up is Khalil Mack, and you kind
of back was bad in that game. He was in
that particular game, like their whole game plan they were.
They were running tempo, uh they were, they were chipping him,

(02:04:50):
they were doing everything he didn't and he and I
thought the heat wore him down. The Bears defense, you
got Khalil Mack, You've got Raay kwansm me, if you
got your Vapor Smith, you got Fuller the they have
a pretty Any defense that's strong is never just one player.
It's always a collective group of guys. But but when
you know when you add Rocan Smith at a linebacker,
now he gives you speed as well. The back end

(02:05:11):
was is the part that they were most concerned about, right,
is that if you get time, they're the back end
of that defense, which if you look at how Folds
is played, Fools is a guy that can beat you
with chunk plays. He'll throw that ball deep down field.
So I don't know, give men be fascinating fascinating to
watch this upcoming upcoming weekend. You got Bowl season and
to me today, as much as you have the grand

(02:05:33):
daddy of them all, and urban Meyer, who you know,
whatever happened with his former assistant, It's pretty hard to
argue that outside of Saban. Outside of Saban, he's been
the best, best coach in the I don't even thinks
it's like people forget like Bowling Green they were good,
but Utah they were undefeated. Florida Florida they fall off

(02:05:58):
a cliff like urban Meyer has been one of the
better college coaches of the last twenty years, no question,
my better. I can't think of anyone better outside of right,
that's it. You can't that that would be if Pete
Currow had stayed in college football. You can make an
argument the way sc was rolling when he was a coach,
But outside of Nick Saban, it's urban Meyer. Yeah, I

(02:06:21):
agree with you, um, but but the there is no
in between. Unfairly or fairly so for Central Florida, they
take on l s U and if they win, it's hey,
we got Auburn last year, we got l s U
this year and look, L s U best cover corners,
not gonna play and l s U is good, But
let's not act like l s U is is great.

(02:06:42):
They did beat Georgia, but they lose the Florida this year,
UM the talented team. But if they win, they're gonna
print the shirts. Back to back national champions, undefeated two
consecutive years. If they lose, it's see, they played two
SEC teams, they won one, they lost one. They'd be

(02:07:02):
a five team in the SEC. If they win this game,
they need to be respected as such. I don't care
who you play. It's hard to go two years without
losing a game. I don't care who you're playing. I
don't believe they're gonna win. But if they win this game,
and they beat two SEC quote unquote powerhouses. These are
upper restationalant teams in the SEC and Auburn last year

(02:07:25):
and possibly be if they beat LSU this year, they
deserve to be respected. They in people should give them
their their respect if they if they do pull this off, yeah,
but there's a difference in respect. And hey, their national
champions right now. They're their national champions in their own
eyes and their fans eyes and the parents of the kids.
But realistically, could could they beat Alabama and Clemson? I'm

(02:07:48):
gonna say no, and they'll say yes, Well it's again,
it's not, And the truth is it's not. Just could
you beat Alabama Clemson, it's could you beat Alabama? Maybe
like men at home? I don't know. Maybe no, okay,
probably not, but but but okay, then what would you
do the next week when he played Mississippi State and
then and then you played Aubert and then you played
Georgia and then Right's Got Dudes, and you go through

(02:08:12):
that schedule to feed it. Happy to your brother. T
j Anson's out it. We know each other for thirteen
fourteen years. First time we did a radio show together.
I hope we didn't ruin your morning. Have a happy
New Year, Glad you're safe. Enjoyed the football back tomorrow
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