NFL Players Will Not Go on Strike

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it and if kosha, but you know it's not kosher.
It's not kosher to make statements that are one ridiculous
too uh years and years and years away from happening,
and three never going to actually happen. Richard Sherman had

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a one on one at the SPS last night, and
I thought this was really really interesting because Richard Sherman
is dealing with Uh. Look, he's smart enough to know things,
but either he's dumb enough to not know what he
doesn't know, or just to gloss over him in a
certain kind of political fashion. In two thousand eleven, remember

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there was a lot the players were locked out. You
go back to two thousand ten and there was actually
no salary cap. We'll get to why that matters. Take
a listen to what Richard Sherman said. NFL players have
to do if they want their contracts to be like
those of Major League Baseball players and NBA players as
an NFL and as a union want to get anything done,

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and players gotta be winning to strike, you know. I
think that's the thing that guys need to realize that
you're gonna have to miss games. You're gonna have to
lose some money if you're willing to make the point,
because that's how MLB and NBA got it done. They
miss games, They strung eight flexed every bit of power
they had and it was awesome. It worked out for him.
Um yeah, yes, and no it did and it didn't.

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Um it didn't, it didn't. So U let's let's get
down to the brass tacks, if you will. The lockout
in the NBA has ended up making the NBA players
more money, but they got slaughtered like Richard Sherman either
hasn't paid attention or simply glossing over the fact that
I believe they went from fifty seven percent shared basketball revenue.

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They've had a percent share to basically a fifty fifty
share right from fifty seven to fifty. That's not losing,
that's getting blown out, that's getting eviscerated. As much as
we think of NBA players having so much money, the
fact was they weren't willing to go completely to the mattresses,

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canceled the season and to to stick at they couldn't
do it. I could not do it. So, yes, they're
making more money, but they're making more money because everybody's
making more money, right, That's kind of the point there,

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Like they would have been making more money regardless as
NFL players are making more money. In the NBA's Collective
Barden agreement was signed a couple of years ago. It's
like the NFL a ten year collective Barden agreement, and
it just happened to coincide, just happen to coincide with
um with the NBA being a part of having their

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TV rights deal spike, and because it's spiked, they got
a they got a smaller percentage, but a bigger number
in terms of the shared basketball revenue. Look, and NFL
players aren't honest about anything. They're like, no contracts are guaranteed.
That's not true. First round draft pick contracts, most of
them are fully guaranteed. And oh yeah, by the way,

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the veteran contracts are guarantee. They're just designed as signing bonuses,
roster bonuses, workout bonuses, all those ares you show up
and you get paid. Those are guarantees, folks. And if
you wanted a longer guaranteed contract, you're playing the wrong sport.
One that has a longer shelf life, one that one hit,
one injury to three concussions doesn't eliminate you from so um. Yes,

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NFL average salaries are in fact lower. They are, but
they're lower because there's fifty three guys on a roster.
The highest paid player in the Nation Football League last
year with Drew Brees. He made thirty one point five
billion dollars. The highest paid player in the NBA last
year was Lebron James. He made thirty one million dollars.
The highest paid player Major League Baseball last year made

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was Clayton Kershaw. He made thirty two billion dollars. Like,
they're just lying to you, and Richard Sherman is trying
to change something or propose the idea of we need
to lock out, we need to strike so that nobody's striking.
They're not gonna strike why because they need to paycheck?
Because there are there is no other skill set that
most of these guys have that can make them a million,

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two million, three million dollars a year. And and NFL
owners know that, and are they Are they fairly leveraged
on these teams and their least deals. Sure, but it's
not their only source of income. It's just not owner's own, dude.
I mean, it's when you're trying, you're trying to change

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something or proposal change something that's not gonna happen. Here's
the last thing and the important thing about what Richard
Sherman said. Okay, there's an idea that that you need
to and and NFL owners will give you a guaranteed contract.
It's just not gonna be as big a contract. Sure,
how guarantee your money? I'm just not gonna give you
as much money. And there are guaranteed deals. What what

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do end fell players hate? They hate franchise tax? What's
a franchise tag? Well, for example, for the quarterback Kirk
Cousins of the Washington Redskins, he's gonna be guaranteed to
make twenty four million dollars this year, regardless of whether
or not he even plays a snap. Once he has
that franchise tender becomes real, that's a guaranteed contract. Now

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he's not gonna get a six seven year guaranteed contract,
although Andrew Luck got a ton of money guaranteed. NFL
players have guaranteed contracts. It's they're lying to say. Otherwise
they're never going to get fully guaranteed contracts like you
get in Major League Baseball because they're too close to
injury and there's too many players. And the salary cap
absolutely matters because most of the rank and file members

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of all of these unions are down at the bottom
of the pace scale. And the last time that the
NFL had no salary cap, and it wasn't that, it
wasn't ten years ago. It's like eight years ago. They
had no salary cap, and everybody thought, ever, all these
players are gonna get rich no salary cap. You know,
teams did. They low balled everybody and they saved money
because salary caps are good, not because of the ceiling,

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but because of the floor. The floor being raised forces
teams to spend money, and if they're forced to spend money,
they have to spend it on rank and file and
on guarantees, signing bonuses, etcetera. With their players. So Richard
German proposing I'm gonna change something, It's like, you know,
we should change the electoral college. We need to change

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the electoral college. Guess what has never been proposed and
is not going to happen in our lifetime. They're not
changing the electoral college. NFL players are never gonna have
fully vested, fully guaranteed contracts for veterans because veterans break down.
There's too many of them. The electoral college is absolutely
positively not going to change. NBA players are not gonna

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play fewer games, like, oh, you know what you should do?
We should play fewer games. We had fewer games to
be better. Here's the problem. Not only has TV paid
a certain amount for the rights to broadcast all those games,
but there's also all of those arenas that are least
out for specific dates with a specific volume of dates.
All of those vendors livelihoods depend on those dates. You

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have all these nbable You know what you should do
is you just shorten the season? Sure, major League Baseball
should just shorten the season. Sure, you know it's not
gonna happen. Nobody's shortening seasons because nobody wants to give
back any money. Players don't want to strike because they
don't want to lose any paychecks. You know what we
should do. We should strike even if we miss a year. Okay,
but if the average career average career of an NFL

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player is three and a half four years, and you
lose one year because I want to start a guaranteed contract,
which is really not going to affect You're not gonna help.
You may end up hurting your bottom line. Why would
I strike? Sounds like a good idea. The reality of
it is not going to change, not going to happen.

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A really smart guy who said something that either he
knew wasn't true and wasn't going to happen, or he's
somebody who doesn't know what he doesn't know. Yeah, Homy
Newport Beach NFL players Richard Sherman. Yeah, go ahead and
do that. We'll catch up later. Yeah, we need to strike, dude.

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We have a collective partner agreement for another uh four years.
Nobody's striking. By the way, you're the highest paid player
at your position, Like, what are you strong? What are
you so mad about? Nothing? It's one of it. It's
a great headline and it's interesting, and guys in my
position will take debate and go like, yeah, NFL players

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deserve it because yet, like there's fifty three guys in
the roster, they play sixteen games. You do the math.
Who's more valuable that or a fifteen man roster that
plays eighty two games in the NBA for a much
longer career, one that isn't as easily shortened by injuries.

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I'm not telling you this is a dumb discussion to have,
but it's a dumb discussion to have. Uh, we're gonna
go to New York a little bit later on the hour.
How close are we to having Carmelo Anthony in a
Houston Rockets uniform? Apparently the Rockets have gone from we
want to shoot a bunch of threes and layups too,
we want all mid range and guys that need the basketball.

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What in the hell are the Rockets doing that? I'm
coming at half past the hour, talk some a Lonzo
ball with Jason Terry. Next hour, the jet will join us.
But up next Connor McGregor and Floyd Mayweather are just
like what the Chicago Cubs did today. They reek of something?

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Sports Radio eight seven, seven nine nine on Fox eight
seven seven nine nine Fox. So yesterday was the first
of what I'm told is what four different, four different, uh,
hype conferences? Right? I guess they're not really press conferences,
just hype conferences and people. Oh, Conrad Gregor owned Flay Mayweather.

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He owned him. Okay, maybe take a listen to some
of what we heard yesterday from Connor and Floyd at
Staples Center in Los Angeles. Fifty strippers on his Patty rowl.
This man has what the is he dealing with? That strip? Clue?
What the fifty strippers? It's not wrong? Shout out to

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all the trip I've done is very wrong. What the
is he wearing? He looks like a little breakdowns and
some up swap your breakdowns. If he's forty, you're forty
years of age, dress your edge, cutting a school bag
on stage while you're doing a school bag on stage.

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You can't even read day Why me and you got money?
We don't got the money. We don't gotta wear suits.
The real man, they've got money, don't gotta wear suits. Um.
So they went chest to chest, they acted like they

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hated each other, And to me, it was everything I
told you it would be. And I saw a bunch
of headlines that um and I've seen other people on
heard other people on Fox Sports Radio equate this too.
The fact that boxing is it feels more like w
W E than it does the NFL. And really this

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is not as much boxing, although boxing has always had
some of these comical press conferences. This is the UFC.
I like the actual action within the octagon I do.
This is a clown show. Like anybody with any sort
of reasonable sense of what's real and what's fake is like,
all right, that's the dumbest thing ever. Now, part of

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it is I give people way too much credit, right,
Like the average the average uh i Q is a hundred.
That's just as close to eighty as it is one
genius eight is mentally uh incapable if you will, or
let's let's capable. I'm sure I'm not allowed to say

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the R word, even though that's actually the technical term.
The point is that we think of everybody in the
one ten and above variety, but there's just as any
people that are in the nineties and below variety. So
maybe people buy into this, but I think it reeks
of desperation. It's one thing to have the hype of

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two days before the actual fight you have a presser.
It's another thing when you sign the contracts, maybe to
announce it and have some sort of hype machine, but
to have four of these and to just make up
things to dislike about each other when they're both gonna
make a ridiculous sum of money. I just you know,

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they don't dislike each other, and maybe that even if
they did, that's not the root of this fight. You know,
Floyd Mayweather is going to make an expected one million
dollars maybe more. McGregor is gonna make seventy five million dollars.
There is no hatred in losing to the best pound
for pound fighter in the world. When you're going to

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make not six but seven figures after being on welfare
four years ago in your home violence. I just I
think it reeks of a little desperation, which is kind
of what I think of what the Cubs did. You
guys see this deal that the Cubs did. Um. The
Cubs pulled off what we're told as a blockbuster deal.

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They got lefty Jose Quintana from the Chicago White Sox,
whose e r A is still it's below three and
a half, so Cantana is a good picture. Cubs need
an inditial arm. Cubs are two games above five, and
they dealt away their top hitting prospect, Eloi Jimenez, who's
only twenty years old and it's considered the number five
prospect in baseball. And they dealt away Dylan Cease, who's

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in High A Baseball so he's still a couple of
years away from making the bigs, as well as a
couple of the prospects. The Cubs dealing away their top
two prospects in their vaunted farm system for a lefty
who's about a five Pitcher, although remember he's played on
bad teams in Chicago, so the r A is not
necessarily reflective of the fact that he's you know, the

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winds and lass are not reflective of how well he pitched.
The r A shows he's a really good picture. Kind
of reeks of desperation as well. They were talking about
maybe trading Kyle Schwarber that's still out there. The Cubs
don't the way a couple of top prospects for a
lefty who's good, but is he great? And how we

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perform and how we handle that clubhouse that seems to
be dysfunctional to be to be continued more than anything,
kind of like McGregor and Mayweather, it feels forced and
it feels like you're doing it because you have a
little bit of desperation, like White and the organizers the

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fire like, Look, we can't let Mayweather McGregor become the
last acting and keep train going. Hey let's go New York,
let's go Vegas, and let's go pretty fight. But the
more they do it, the more they shout, the more.
Most people who are over that a hundred with their
i Q are like, really, really music, what do you

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think did you like that, did you like that press conference? Again?
I've I have have told people that I'm not a fan.
What are your thoughts? I think it's definitely entertaining in
the moment. It's always funny to sort of see I'm
I'm a McGregor fan. I always find it interesting. I
think he's one of the better trash talkers we've seen recently,
whether it was during his UFC fights with like Josie

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Aldo or what he did with Nate Daz and now
what he's doing with Mayweather. I find it interesting. Um Mayweather,
He's he says some pretty good stuff as well. I
just I'm not convinced that these type of press conferences
are really building towards fans buying the fight. And that's

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what I'm skeptical of. I mean, I'm sure they probably
have the research that shows to back it up. You
know what this is like? You know this is like
I'll tell you what this is like. This is a
good one. You'll appreciate this one. Do you guys remember, um, so,
last year's Super Bowl was on what NBC? You No,
last year Superol was on Fox, Right, this year it's
on NBC. Previous year was on CBS. Correct, you go

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before back for that. It was on NBC a GAT.
So the Super Bowl is over on NBC and the
very next day on CBS, or that very next weekend
on CBS, we have a college basketball game and you
know what, we're promoting the next year's super Bowl super Bowl. Yes,
and it was because um my boss Sean mcmahonus at
the time, Sean man is the president of CBS Sports.

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He was a big thing at CBS to have super
Bowl fit. We got super Bowl fifty, you know, we
got super super Bowl fifty, and they ran ads for
super Bowl fifty for an entire year. And while to
the guys in the boardroom, he made that decision and
it probably made a whole hell of a lot of sense.
Super Bowl fifty had a certain amount of historical significance.
You could run those highlights. They brought back every Super

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Bowl living super bo m v P who was available,
and had him trot out on the field. But my
question is whether it's promoting it in that way For
a year, did any one more person did one single
solitary soul more watch the Super Bowl Because you're like
three sixty days before and you're like, oh, super Bowl CBS. Okay,
mental note, gonna put that in the calendar on my phone, right,

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which is what you're saying about Mayweather and McGregor. Is
there one person that's like that's sitting there going like, oh,
August Mayweather McGregor, I gotta put the note in my phone.
Most of us are like, I'm not gonna buy it.
I'm not gonna buy it. I'm not gonna buy it.
Then it comes to, you know, that week, and you're
like some of your friends like, hey, I'll tell you what.
I'll bring food. Jimmy, you'll bring beer, Gus will bring

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the chips. You got that cool new TV. Get pay
for the fight. It's hundred bucks, all right, and you
can do it like five minutes beforehand. You pay for
the fight. No one's gonna sit there and go like,
you know, I wasn't gonna buy the fight. And I
heard I heard Connor McGregor in a suit clowning on
Floyd Mayweather or not being in a suit, and Floyd
Mayweather talking about how much money he has, and Connor

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McGregor talking about talking trash about how many strippers he has.
And then I was like, you know what, I'm in.
I'm buying this fight. It was that one extra time
that McGregor called Mayweather and m F and you know what,
I'm ready to shell out a hundred dollars now. Before
I wasn't going to. I was in it at seventy
five dollars. I was in it at seventy five dollars

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and they were charging a hundred, so I said no.
But then when I saw that he made fun of
Mayweather and him being forty and he's too old to fight,
I actually will fork over that extra five dollars now.
And especially the whole idea that it's like the four
countries and four days kind of thing. I just I
don't really buy into it. But I think yesterday was yesterday,

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wasn't I forgot yesterday was in Toronto. They're gonna move
around four countries four days, do this thing all over,
you know, and and get the and get the hype rolling.
I just I don't. I don't get it. I don't
get it. I don't I don't get who. There's something, yeah,
you said something like there's somebody out there, goes like, well,
I was gonna get the standard deaf, which is ninety
And then I saw what these guys were wearing, and

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I was like, you know, I need a more vivid picture.
I'm gonna shell out for the high death music. Are
you going? Would you pay to watch this at your house?
I would not pay the full one hundred to sit
at home and watch it myself. No, but I am
probably gonna fork over, like you know, twenty bucks to
split it amongst friends. Okay, I will tell you in
all honesty, I would buy it. And it's not just

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it's part of it because of my job. Part of
it because I'll admit it, there's a there's a looky
lookie their factor, like I want to see what happens
because there's something crazy happensing. And McGregor knocks amount. I
want to say I was watching it right, but but
it has nothing to do with these with these promotions,
with the promotional tour. Would you don't what would be

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the most you would pay to watch the Super Bowl?
And I know that's a tough question to ask because,
like you said, it's your job. But if you could
try and put that aside, and if you were just
a hundred fifty bucks hun bucks, maybe because you remember
you get a concert with the super Bowl as well. Dan, Man,

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you kind of get a pre concert. But I'm kind
of curious, Dan, how much would you pay for if
you weren't uh, you know, for as a part of
your job. How much would you pay to watch the
super Bowl? Oh? Yeah, it would be I would pay
two hucks, John, this is to watch just the super

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Bowl super Bowl one one dollar. So we would all
be willing to pay more than what it costs to
watch this fight, almost double in some cases. I wonder,
I wonder how yeah, I mean, like, look, look, there'll
be there'll be a couple of how many million people
have watched this? You know, five million people watch this.

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There'll be a couple million buys of this thing. But
I mean you're talking sixty million people watch the super Bowl.
It's just different. But they get they dig it directly
to the consumer, and they don't do that in the NFL.
And it's a better money making proposition the way they
do it in the NFL. But you can't do that
in this particular fight. You wouldn't make as much money.

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I don't know. It's it's a it's a fascinating it's
a fascinating discussion. It's really really interesting. Did anybody really
believe Roy Combs, says Drew Franklin at Kentucky Sports Radio.
He was sold, I don't buy that. I don't buy that.
Anybody's like, I'm not gonna buy the fight. Oh eight.
I saw these two guys yelling at each other. I'm
gonna buy the fight. Will Carmelo Anthony play for the Rockets?

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Find out? If we find out what's trending? Doug O
leave show Fox Sports Radio. So if you go on
the New York Post website, uh, you will see that
Mark Berman is all over this potential Carmelo Anthony trade. Um,
you know what I need Carmelo Anthony. Reportedly they're in
some some form of trade talks with the Houston Rockets,

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New York Knicks are and possibly two other teams. I
got the perfect guy for it. Hey, we don't know everything,
but we know people that know what you want to know.
You know, sounds like you need a guy. I got
a guy, all right. Mark Bourbon covers the Knicks, among

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other things, for the New York Post. He joins us, Mark,
where are they with the trade discussions with the Rockets? Yeah,
they're closing in. You took to some agents who have
spoken to Carmelo's people and they say that everything seems
to be going on smoothly, and maybe they're just delaying
stuff because Friday, Chris Paul is being introduced as as

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a new Rocket and want him to have the spotlight
on his own and their big press conference in Houston,
and maybe next week they'll try to finalize things. But
I mean the next day that there's still some work
to do. If it's a four team trade, which I'm
led to believe it will have to be, there's a
lot of moving pieces and the trade kicker has to

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be negotiated. Carmela is willing to forego some of that
extra bonus to make this work, and they need still
need you know, they have three teams and they need
a fourth, and they're soliciting a lot of teams. The
Knicks are trying to be patient. Also, this is a
huge move. They've been hammered all July and they don't

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want to make a bad trade and get hammered again.
They're butt of the joke again. Last night at the
SPS paid in Manning taking shots at them after Drake
uh ripped them during the NBA Awards ceremony. So the
Knicks want to be a little patient, but Carmelo's agents
really want to get this done as soon as possible.

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They want Carmelo to know his destination. Okay, so they
want obviously that to happen, but the Knicks needs something
in return. What do they what do they specifically want
I mean, other than just to get rid of they
have to want something back. What do they want back? Well,
it is addition by subtraction. But uh, in doing so,
they'd like to clear somewhere cap room and including cap room.

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Maybe not sign another free agent, but they'll be able
to make another trade for a point guard to slide
into that open cap space. Right now, they only have
one point five million dollars left of cap room. They
want a first round draft pick in the future. They
would like a youngish type player. Uh, that could be

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a rotation guy. They're trying to stock this roster with
five year old players and younger. Can they achieve all
three goals? I'm not sure, But the bottom line is
they want him off the roster because they want to
open it up for Presingis and Hardaway and uh Frank Nicolina.

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They want them to be the focus next season, to
to to grow their young core, and Carmelo would probably
just stand in the way, no question. Okay, so who
are the who are the other teams involved in the
three or four team deal? What? What other names are
you hearing potentially moved around because it's trickier than just
a one for one. Yeah, the names we have heard Portland, Phoenix,

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New Orleans. Those are the only three teams that I've
heard have been involved in some fashion. But it's very,
very tough to turn it down. Who that third definite
team is. I don't think the fourth team has been solidified.
They feel they have enough pieces in place though that
this is going to get done. And you know, the

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Knicks is not like they don't have a choice. If
if this breaks down, they have to go to Carmelo
and say, you've got to open up your wish list.
It can't just be Houston in Cleveland. You know, it
was Boston also, but they got Haywards, so that knocked
them out. You know, Carmelo, if this doesn't happen, Carmelo

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has to open it up. There's no way he could
go back to the Knicks. He knows they don't want
they don't want him. He knows what their plan is,
so if this doesn't happen, they got to start calling
other teams to try to ship Carmelo to you know,
to a playoff contender. But still it can't just be
one team to Houston Rockets. Well, last thing, mark who

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ultimately will they hire as you know manager, as David
Griffin pulled out a couple I don't know. It's a
big mystery. The big key piece to this is it's
a general manager, which sounds all fancy, but it's the
second guy they have hired, Phil Jackson's successor. We have
written it a few times that Steve Mills will be

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the number one guy as president. He's not the figurehead.
He will have, finals say, and now he wants to
fill in a second guy to you know, make all
the phone calls and and trade talks. And but ultimately
the final decision rests in Steve Mills's lap. And you know,

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he may be looking at an assistant general manager who's
looking for promotion, but he's not going to be going
after another David Griffin or even as Sam Hinkey, because
these guys it would be a demotion from him. Uh,
these guys were the number one guys and they don't
want to be number two, and Griffin was not interested
in being number two. He thought when he interviewed it

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would be more of a tandem or joint effort. But
he got a murky sense that Mills was really the
head decision maker and he just didn't feel comfortable if
that would be the situation. Explain to me, though Steve
Mills is now running the show, wasn't he Phil Jackson's
right hand man. It's like you fired Phil Jackson because
you didn't like the direction of the team. You kept

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Steve Mills, who was basically making a lot of the
decisions along with Phil Jackson. Or was he he was
really I mean, he was technically the general manager, but
he was really third voice. He was the third voice
in that organization behind Phil Jackson, Clarence Gaines Jr. Who

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was the former Bills scout hired by Phil. And you
talk to people in the next organization and whatever Games
wanted Gains got. So I don't know how much influence
Mills ultimately had, as much as he made the phone
calls and was talking to agents and other team general
manager is the final stay was Phil Jackson. One thing

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Mills did do was he really lobbied for Willie her
Nan Gomez. He scouted him in Spain along with Prezingis,
and when he saw her name Gomez, he said, hey,
we should look at this guy too, and they bought
a second round pick from Philadelphia and got her names.
But Mills wasn't didn't have enough influence to judge him

(31:24):
on his last three years and three months. Great stuff.
Mark Bourbon read his work on on Twitter. Will take
you to the New York Post. You can go to
ny Post dot com. He's our guy in New York
covering the ever entertaining New York Knickerbocker's Mark, Thanks so
much for joining us in the Doug Gotlieb shows. So
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(31:46):
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(32:14):
But somehow, some way, Doug Golland show Fox Sports Radio
every day, we'd like to get you kind of mean,
we make once you be well around. And we talked
some NFL already, we talked a little Major League baseball already,
I believe. Um, let's see, we talked a little NBA. Uh.
If there's anything we might have missed, I think we'll
find it in my sack. Let's reach into godly sack.

(32:49):
What do you got there? A bunch of stuff? Let's
see he got Oh, he got Doug's letter from Oklahoma State.
We got my interesting Doug and Sarah Michelle Gell. That's interesting. Oh, look,
we've got real news, fake news interesting. Okay, alright, little
real news are fake news today, real news are fake news.

(33:11):
Doug Francient point guard Rajon Rondo is meeting with the
Miami Heat today. I'm gonna say that's fake news. You are, Yes,
he is, and they're doing so in Louisville. Yes, in Louisville, Kentucky.
Rondo could be teaming up with fellow Kentucky Wildcats to
Marcus Cousins, we played within Sacramento and also Anthony Davis

(33:32):
if he decides to play in the Big Easy, it
would also allow them to move um Drew Holiday. He's
not a big contract off the ball some and I
will tell you this. Drew Holiday, I I thought he
was one of the best high school players I've ever seen. Um.
He also, I was one of the guys that when
he was drafted, I think it's seventeen, the first round.
I thought he was a steal for the seventy sixers,
and in reality he has been. But Drew Holiday is

(33:54):
probably better off the bassom. He's a great passing to guard,
more so than a true point guard. I like this,
and you know again it's what pasde? What price do
you pay for Rondo? He's been so well traveled, but
he seemed to figure out something at the end of
the year and in the playoffs before he got hurt
yet again. Moving on, real news are fake news? Doug On,
Richard Jefferson, and Channing Fries road tripping podcast Robert Ory

(34:17):
called Phil Jackson the greatest coach he ever played for. Um,
I'm gonna say that's real news. No, that is not
the case. This is what or he had to say
about the zen Master. Field doesn't change. You know. Field
is okay coach. Everybody thinks he's a great coach. He's
okay coach. His system is great. That what makes him

(34:40):
a good because you think about it, any time you
put Field in a situation with the team is so
so he's not, he's not. He disappears as coach, and
now I ain't gotten in against Field. And then but
it's the truth, Hello, okay, coach in Phil Jackson his system,
like he his system, that's what he's saying is But

(35:02):
then he said, but if he have if he has
average players, like who in the NBA has ever won
without good players, without great players? When does that happened?
I'd like to know when that's happened. You tell me
what has happened, and I would I would love to
to know. The fact is that Michael Jordan's could not
get to the NBA finals with Doug Collins is a

(35:23):
really good coach. Kobe Bryant couldn't get anywhere. They had
multiple coach with Kobe and Shaq couldn't get there. And
so like, look right now, Phil Jackson doesn't look great.
But and Phil Jackson retired, and could the Lakers get
to the NBA Finals without Phil Jackson after you retired
and Shack left, No, Phil Jackson returns and they get
to NBA Finals, they win two championships, So I don't know, like,
has he had to have great players? Yes? Is it

(35:45):
his system? Okay? But whatever it is, he's one with
the same pieces that other people have, not real news
or fake news. A bookmaker in Las Vegas says they
made about one hundred thousand dollars on uncashed winning tickets
that bet on the Cubs winning the World Series? Do
you mean how much one thousand dollars? Did a bookmaker

(36:08):
make a hundred thousand dollars because people didn't cash in
their winning tickets? No way, they're real and they're spectacular.
Bookmaker CG Technology says that there were a lot of
Cubs tickets that weren't cashed in some small actually a
lot of them, small doug They think that maybe people

(36:28):
kept them as like souvenirs. You know, this was the
year that I that I bet on the Cubs and
they won, but they didn't cash it, and about a
hundred thousand dollars worth of tickets in that specific book. Um, yes,
we're not cashed. Why would you make the bet? You know,
I just to say you made the bet, right, to say, look,
I was right, See how smart I am? I guess

(36:51):
that's what it is. I guess it was a thing
where people like Cubs fans would go to Vegas knowing
that they would never win the World Series, and so
every year Vegas would expect this is them. Darren Ravel
and others of ESPN saying that they the bookmakers wouldn't
get a lot of action on the Cubs each year
as a novelty, and then when they became good, what
do you know, some people actually made some cash on it.
Um jumping through the world of college football real news

(37:14):
or fake news. Despite losing ed couch Bob Stoops to retirement,
media members in the Big Twelve selected the Oklahoma Sooners
to win the conference this year. Uh, fake news there,
I know you wanted your Cowboys to to be there. Close.
Oklahoma received nineteen out of thirty two first place votes.

(37:37):
Oklahoma State received twelve out of a possible thirty two.
Kansas State, picked third in the conference by the members
of the media, got the other first place vote, with
Texas UH in fourth place. According to the media, Texas
is the most interesting obviously new coaching staff, but they
had the returning starting quarterback in Shane Bushell. UM. I
think Oklahoma STATEUM, this should be a year which they

(37:57):
can win the Big Twelve, but they get a very
very difficult schedule road game at Pittsburgh. After dominating Pittsburgh.
Pittsburgh has got a good program. That one gives me
the heb gbs. They played Tulsa this year, really well
coached program. I mean tell us that that coach is
legit um. But if it comes down to bed, remember,
whoever wins this league probably gotta play the second based

(38:17):
team again. In the first ever Big Twelve championship game,
that was Scott lead Sack, Doug Otlip Show, Fox Sports Radio. Right, boys,
I return um stateside next week. You guys all gonna
be there, are you guys all? Anybody got vacation next week? Nope?
Excited for you to come back, Doug. Alright, anything you

(38:39):
want me to bring you back round must I might
get a little time for shot. It's a good question.
I'll tell you off the air. I don't know right now. Alright, No,
like you got a couple of hours to remind me,
or you can text me as well. I'll tell you
what I'll do up coming next There's an irony to
a Lonzo Balls great Summer League performance. Last night We'll
talk about it next on the Doug Ot Leap Show
only on Fox Sports Radio. What Happens to Duck Olive Show,

(39:04):
Fox Sports Radio. One of the things that's interesting about ballplayers,
basketball players specifically is shoes. Like I've always been a
shoe guy, but I've always paid attention to shoes, um
and um. I think it's interesting, fascinating. In fact, Alonzo

(39:26):
Ball played his best game as a as a pro
in Summer League wearing Kobe Bryant shoes. A matter of fact,
after the game, he actually, uh, he actually talked about
having that mamba mentality put him on and it worked
out tonight. Yeah, he said, at at BBB, that's a

(39:46):
big baller brand. You can play in what you want.
I already played in both of my shoes, might as
well get the mama mentality going. I put them on
and it worked out tonight. He had thirty six and
eleven eight rebounds, five steals, two blocks in a one
oh three one oh to win over the Philadelphia seventy
six Summer League team. Remember, he stunk in his first outing,

(40:08):
then he had a triple double. Then he sat against
Dear and Fox and the Kings, and now he had
thirty six, eleven, five, and eight. It's a pretty good
progression for all purple with black swoosh uh Kobe Bryant's, which,
by the way, I have those Kobe's. They're exceptionally comfortable.
I approve like they're great shoes. But is it an

(40:31):
interesting that, um, he like this is an irony to it?
He finally plays well when he ditches the shoes that
aren't his signature shoe that his dad wanted to charge
people four dollars for. It's like, look, if even your
own son doesn't want to wear those shoes, why the
hell should I wear, let alone wear him for five
hundred bucks. I mean, at least he worked Kobe's. He

(41:00):
didn't wear Lebrons. At least he wore Kobe's. He didn't
wear Steph Curry's. He wore Kobe Bryant synonymous, not just
with the Lakers, but also with Rob Polinka, who's his
general manager and happens to have been the agent for
Kobe Bryant. Like, all of that made a ton of sense,
with the exception of the what happened to the Big
Baller brand? What happened to the Big Baller brand? I

(41:28):
want to know how he got the shoes. That's that's
to me, that's the smoking gun. I want to know.
Did he go to Vegas, like to the Caesar shops
and buy the shoes. Did the Nike guys sent it
to him? Did Kobe sent him? Hey, dude, I've been
watching you play. Why don't you throw on these purple joints.

(41:48):
That's fascinating to me, truly, truly fascinating to me. Um.
For the record, I asked people this all the time,
Like when I played in college, if we lost a
game in those shoes. I never wore those shoes in
a game. Ever, Again, I can't say that wasn't it?

(42:09):
Notre Dame. We lost too many games, lost eighteen games,
I would run through nineteen pairs of shoes. But when
I was in Oklahoma State, my my junior year was
actually probably our best team or collection of talent, and
we lost eleven games. Yes, that's true. I went through
eleven different pairs of sneakers. So it's not abnormal for
guys to change shoes and shoes. Now, some of them,

(42:32):
most of them you need to wear once before you
wear them in a game. But a lot of shoes
now you can pop them right out of the box
and wear them and you'll be just fine. That they
come tacky as can be used to have a little
bit of a thin layer on them, you have to
wear them down or guys who rubbed them against the
cement wall in order to get that thin layers. They
get tacky, but usually now they're really really good to

(42:52):
go right out of the box, right out of the
box music. When you played vaulleyball in in college, like,
were you a big shoe guy or you shoes super
important to you? Yeah, I mean the right type of shoes.
Definitely a lot of times. Uh at north Ridge we
were sponsored by A six which we're fine, but um

(43:15):
in high school, definitely wore Kobe's or a lot of
people would wear basketball shoes, which I tend to prefer
over volleyball shoes. It's not as big of an industry,
so like even the top of the line volleyball shoes
aren't nearly as nice as what basketball shoes are. Yeah,
I've always wondered about the volleyball shoes and why people
wear volleyball shoes as opposed to basketball sho's, Like what

(43:36):
what type of support or what what's so good about
them as opposed to basketball shoes. Yeah, I mean it
definitely was a sponsorship thing because we would even want
to go off on our own and be like, look, okay,
thanks for the three pairs of shoes whatever, but you know,
I kind of just want to wear like these Kobe's
or you know whatever. But our coach was like, you're
not allowed to, like specifically told us we were not

(43:58):
allowed to. So whatever sort of deal we with a
six and sponsoring the team through the university, we were
we had to wear the shoes that the school provided. Ramos.
Do you have to wear a certain pair of shoes
when you're oppressing all the buttons and controlling everything you
control a Fox Sports radio? Are you locked into a
Nike deal? I am locked into a nikedo. I've been
wearing Nikes since I want to say, sixth grade. Sixth

(44:21):
grade favorite pair of favorite pair of Nikes is wet
just of white with a blue a blue swish on it.
White shoes. You don't know the actually, you don't don't
know the name. Just nope, just a Nike shoe. That's it. Man?
What size Ramos nine and a half? Here you laughter
in the background. I don't know no, No, I don't

(44:46):
care about the name, which I just wear Nikes. That's
what I've always loved Nikes. I don't care the name
of the style. But I don't think I ever had
a Jordan pair. I just bore it by just generic
Nike shoes. In fact, I can show and right now,
just sir, I would it's just called those like generic
cross trainers, generic cross trainers, Dan Buyer, Are you do
you have a certain shoe that you're loyal to? There's

(45:08):
there is there? Are you like a whatever's whatever is
least expensive and looks kind relatively hip? You know, I
would say that I've got a wide foot dug so
sometimes wide styles, but I like the Nike Freeze as
of late because I can get him in wides and
it's a very light shoe. So um. A lot of
the Nike Freeze usually the yeah, I love them, I

(45:32):
love them, um okay, And then or is John would say,
I like the gray and blues. Um, but yes, I
like the white with the blue swoosh. And for the record,
that's what I was laughing at, not the fact that
he had a nine or nine and a half that
I don't care. I thought John was gonna say fourteen

(45:53):
and a half for his feet, but I'm gonna eleven wide.
You actually get into of dub Yes, yes, doesn't doesn't
new balance don't they make their shoes like different widths
as well? I think I think they do the I
think they do the I have I have. I actually
have a little bit of trouble with the Dita's shoes
when it comes to wid Um yeah, a little narrow yeah,

(46:15):
the old Yeah, the old school Adidas I used to
when I was a kid. I couldn't wear it. I'm
a as you guys know, I'm strictly a swoosh guy.
Um and and I and the cut of the shoe
really helps. Plus I just I don't know if I
feel like they um, I feel like i'd wear I
want to. I like the styles and if they if

(46:38):
there's a style that that's out there that they don't have,
they seem to find a way to make it. Like
for example, their dry fit gear now looks a lot
like under Armos old dry fed gear right, and some
of their sweatpants look a lot like Lulu Lemon sweatpants.
And you know, some of their shoes they added the
air soul too. Um. What's the dress shoe that they
used to own and they sold back anyway, point is

(47:00):
like Nike kind of has a little bit of everything,
and I just I will readily admit that I'm a
Nike guy. I wear the shoes I like to fit,
and I'm with you on the freeze. I have a
couple of pairs of Freeze and it feels like you're
wearing slippers. It really feels light on top. So like
the thing for Alonzo is um while his play is
helping the brand, playing without those shoes on his killing

(47:23):
the brand right, Like there's an irony to that. Can
you imagine if, like his dad, he's like, all right,
you know what the hell of it, Let's just what
am I doing here? This is a dog and pony show.
They's just where the Kobe's be a Kobe guy. Take
whatever money, take a short term deal, and then build
your brand and then maybe we can develop some big

(47:44):
baller brand in the future. Wouldn't that be smarter? I mean,
just the fact that he said, Alonzo said, like, oh,
big baller brands about doing your own thing, Like no,
that's not really the way it works at big baller brand.
You can play in what you want. I already played
in both my shoes, might as well get the MoMA mentality, Like,
that's not how it works. Like can you imagine if

(48:07):
if let's see here, if Steph Curry is like, you
know at under Armour, you can play in what you want.
So I wore my Steph Curry shoes and then I
was like, you know what, I want to try those
Kyrie irvings. So I put them on and I played
really well, and they're like, no, that's not the way
it works. In this thing. You have to be synonymous
with your shoe and wearing Kobe shoe, which is made
by I guess a competitor Orld. That's not really a competition.

(48:29):
One of the shoe companies that you turned down is
not really going to not really going to help set
your shoes, not even a little bit. Jason Terry joins us.
Upcoming next, we gotta top Lots talk to you. Can
can they play with one basketball or do they have
to add two more basketballs? In Houston. If Carmelo gets there,

(48:55):
we'll ask him about Chris Paul potentially Carmelo playing with
James Harden plus Paul George now with the Oklahoma City Thunder.
Are they a legitimate threat to either the Rockets or
the Warriors? And what about the Spurs? Are they done?
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(49:50):
Sports Radio. I'm I can't believe. I can't believe where
we are here with the Houston Rockets. I'm I'm like
fascinated by this. We've we've talked about this a little
bit before, but I'm fasted by the idea that here's

(50:11):
a team that was built around, all around James Harden
last year, and I I respect and I get that
they realized James Harden needs more help. I gotta get that.
And maybe I can buy a little bit into the
idea of, hey, look, Chris Paul is so smart and
so good, he'll figure it out. They could share the ball,

(50:35):
share the point guard duties like that sounds like sounds
like a good idea, but like, Chris Paul's awesome, but
he needs the ball. James Harden is awesome, but he
needs the ball, and Chris Paul is kind of more
of a mid range guy. And then they're talking about
trading for Carmelo Anthony. Carmelo Anthony has been when he's right,

(50:55):
when he's healthy, in his prime, I think the best
pure score in the league can score three levels from
three mid range and in the post. But now his
game is so mid range oriented, like that's not who
the Rockets are. So maybe I'm wrong here, but I
just don't understand the fit of Chris Paul and Karmelo

(51:17):
Anthony with the Rocket system and with James Harden, even
though I get the idea that Hard needs some help.
Maybe Jason Terry can help me out. He's an NBA champion,
He's played for just about every team and just about
every system, and he's, uh, what's it. Uh, It's like
like bon Jovi said, right, I've I've seen a million faces,
and I've rock demology. Ason Terry's rock demol He joins
us on Fox Sports Radio Jet Do you like the

(51:38):
fit of Chris Paul and Karmalo Anthony in that rocket system.
You know what, right now, in the NBA, it's about
stockpiling talent, and so what the Houston Rockets are trying
to do is trying to do a mass as much
star power as they can, obviously to counteract what what
Golden State has done. Does Carmelo and Chris Paul fit

(52:00):
I mean, Carmelo Anthony has been one of the most
dangerous scores in our league since he's came in. And
and you know what, in D'Antoni system is wide open.
Mellows a great catching shoot guy, so he loves to
play off the bounce in isolation. Sits a way since um,
as you see say basketball, he can't catch and shoot.
So I think if it's um, I think you gotta

(52:23):
have a lot of talent these days. And you look
around the Western Conference and if you don't have three
or four studs, you really don't even have a chance
to compete. Okay, Paul George obviously an upgrade over Victor Oladipo,
But I look at their roster and I'm like, all right,
even if Paul George can't catch and shoot, he's more
three who could play some four. He's a great hybrid

(52:44):
player who can really get buckets. But their roster is
still front court heavy. Right, they still have Adams, they
still have Cancer, they still have a lot of front
court dudes. Um, how much does it change Oklahoma City
in the long run to add in Paul Jewel to
that front court heavy roster. I think it helps them tremendously,

(53:04):
tremendously because what it does is, uh, the way they're
built and designed is to kind of beat Golden State
because you can't beat Golden State at playing Golden States game.
What you have to do is be able to pound
him inside, get the rent or green and foul trouble
and have a low pros threat. So I believe those
two bigs they have are are very productive. Uh. Now

(53:27):
you add in Paul George, who is another aggressive wing
who can score, but he also can defend. But in
the fourth quarter, when Westbrook has done it all for
three quarters, now you have another viable option who is reliable,
who can get you a basket or get you to
the free throw line. And he's not scared as you.
He went head to head with the best player in

(53:47):
the world in Lebron James and in their matchup and
he held his own definitely outdo them in some some cases. Uh,
that's the that's the voice of the Jet, Jason Terry.
He joins us in the Doug Gottlieb Show here on
Fox Sports Radio. Let's go to Boston where Boston went
from a guard heavy team to now a wing heavy team.

(54:10):
They didn't just add Gordon Hayward, they also added uh,
Marcus Morris and then Jayson Tatum has kind of taken
Summer League by storm, been very very impressive. What are
your thoughts on Boston, whether or not they haven't improved
ross every Bradly everybody likes Avery. I know he's a
uh he's a Tacoma dude. Uh so he's he's from
up in your area originally. Um, there's a lot of
you in him. He's maybe more of a defender that

(54:31):
he's not the shooter that you ever, he's never been
the shooter that you've been, but incredibly versatile. But they
had to get rid of Avery in order to get
Marcus Morris. Do you like what Boston has done? Yeah?
I love what Boston has done. Uh you And it's
about star power and who better to add than the
guy like Gordon Hayward, who was an All Star who

(54:52):
you know, commands a lot of on the offensive end.
He's another guy that in the fourth quarter he's made
game winning outs. He'll make the game when he play
it takes the ball out of Isaiah thomas hands. So
he's not worn down. Um, though you will miss the
defensive prowess of every Bradley, I think what you've added
is another guy that can get you buckets. Look at

(55:13):
the pace of play that Boston Celtics have started to play, um,
you know, under this new regime, and it's high temple
under a point the game last year and now at Hayward,
and I don't think that will slip at all. Marcus
Smart has proven to you that he's a big game
player and he can also defend so the ball, which

(55:35):
they will have to do. I thought what they needed
to do though, besides that and Hayward was add some
front court death because uh Al Hoyford is not a
defensive rin protector. Uh he's more of a you know,
spot up shooter. H He can't post up, and so
defensively they're lacking in that department. Losing a Mirror Johnson

(55:57):
is gonna be big for them. Uh, they're gonna struggle
when they have to. It stops in the fourth quarter
when those shots aren't aren't quite falling. So uh, two
defensive presences like every Bradley and the Mire Johnson they'll
miss sorely. I think they lost trip called, they lost
a limit. So there are some holes in the roster.
But I'm in Vegas now, I'm going to the game
at the clock. Jason Tatum is a stud. He will

(56:19):
be one of those ones you look back at this
draft class and you will say that this draft class
may go down. That's one of the greatest classes, uh
that that we've had in the NBA, especially since I've
been in the league. Yeah, listen, it's it's really interesting
to see Tatum, who I know, several teams like that
one and the people can question, you know, there have
been people who questioned Danny Ainge like, look, he got

(56:40):
another first round draft bick for moving down two spots,
and he got Gordon Hayward who he really wanted, and
he did he did, in fact change some things. All right.
So now will we take a breath and we assume
Mellow goes to the Rockets. It's a big assumption. What
about the Calves, what can they do to get better? Well,
I think they they remained pat. I mean, but because

(57:00):
what they've game with their core group of guys love
Ivan lebron Is, they have chemistry. They've been to the
mountaintop and now how they've bounced back is key. But
their role players are intact. Obviously they all fill out
their back into their roster. But anytime you've got Keen
James on your team, you're you're going to be in

(57:23):
contention for a championship. So I think keeping their core
nucleus in tact was good. Sometimes the best moves made
in the NBA are no moves made at all, and
so they won't have an adjustment period. All they'll have
to do is stay healthy, state of course, and position
themselves with home court advantage. And uh, you know the East, Hey,
the East. The East isn't as tough, but they're still

(57:45):
going out some competitors. Washington is a good team, nol
Walkee's a great tea. Um, But other than that, I mean,
who who really is going to continue? Toronto stayed intact,
so um, you know, Cleveland they need some front court depth. Obviously,
Trip and Thompson can't do it by himself. They need
help there and that that capacity. They're also gonna need

(58:05):
some help in the back court to spill Kyrie at times.
But you know, other than that, you've got the greatest
player in the world. You're in good hands, in a
good position. Yeah, all right, I trust your word for it.
All right? What about the say into what about because
there's nobody I don't know, I don't know. I mean,

(58:25):
look well, I mean the whole question was do you
do you move Kevin Love? Right? Like like I like
Kevin Love, but like in that if you're trying to
beat the Warriors, he's not that useful against the Warriors
because he can't score in the post. He couldn't score
in the post against Andrea Goo dolla. No, he's not
a post threat. But he had a productive series. I mean,

(58:47):
he can kill you on the offensive glass and if
he can knock down his shot consistently, they were hal
uh Draymond Green leaves anybody. He's garden and he's wide open.
So he has to take those shots, um and and
and they got to figure out why they didn't utilize
ten and five more in that series. I don't know
what defensively he's a liability. But hell, nobody stopped the Warriors.

(59:07):
You gotta outshoot them at anybody out there on the
open trade scenario, like who are you trading for? Everybody's
pretty much set. Uh, you trade Kevin Love, what will
you get back for Kevin? Contract number is super high,
talent level is super low. So I I just don't

(59:29):
think it happens. I think they they keeping in tack
Lebron has a big decision to make here um if
they don't win it again this year. So I think
this is their last hurrah, so to speak. But hey,
they're they're still a contender. Don't don't don't, Oh they're
they're they're in it. Oh, there's there's no question, especially
in your conference, all right, Western Conference. Then you've got

(59:51):
the Spurs, Tony Parker tour, the his quad tendon that
connects to his knee, right that that doesn't sound like
in his age something you come back from very easily.
But you still have Kauai. LaMarcus has kind of been
a weird fit there right where they they haven't loved him,
He hasn't loved them. He's kind of you know, he's
he's again, he's he's a post, but sometimes he's shooting
seventeen eighteen footers. What's your sense of the Spurs now

(01:00:14):
they didn't get Chris Paul and how legitimate a threat
they are? Hey, does it Kevin love for LaMarcus Aldridge
trade makes sense? I don't know, but it means again
Audreds doesn't like the post. He likes to shoot jumpers also,
so um, I love the Spurs. You gotta think Pop
is going to do something, uh, you know, to get

(01:00:36):
this this team back. But can talent you can add?
I think Pop sting his system, structure and continue to
mote their young point guardian Dejon Murray, who when Parker
is done, which he probably won't be ready, he's here
to start the season. It's gonna be a show. Uh.

(01:00:57):
He played that he had a great summer league. He
was he didn't look to score as much. He was
more of a facilitator. And I think he fits right
in the Pop system. So that's the area of concerned.
I don't know. If Paul Gasol goes back to San Antonio,
there's another hole in the roster. The field deadman is gone. Um,
you know they're trying to work this thing out with
Jonathan Simmons, but they look like they're in somewhat of

(01:01:19):
a rebuild mode. Uh in San Antonio. Great stuff the Jet,
Jason Terry joining us and the Doug Otli Show. Jett,
let's catch up in person real soon. In the meantime,
enjoy Vegas and will uh we appreciate you joining us
on Fox Sports Radio. That was good. Talk to you soon.
All right, that's Jason Terry joining US NBA champion uh.

(01:01:39):
Former National Player of the Year in college basketball as well.
What's the is the question we ask ourselves in the media.
What is the statute of limitations on certain stories? We'll
discussing regards to Brandon Marshall's Star wide receiver now with
the New York Giant. Do so after we find out

(01:02:01):
what's trending. Doug Olip Show, Fox Sports Radio. M mmmmmmm
mmm mmm mmmmmmm interesting. Jason Terry likes, uh the ustern
Rockets acquiring talent. I just I'm a I'm a fit guy.

(01:02:22):
And what the Rockets did, Remember they had they were
acquiring assets the year before when they had Dwhite Howard.
That didn't work. That deal didn't work. Um, So to me,
the Rockets have been a team that's all about fit,
and these guys just don't fit in terms of their style.
So I don't know, man, I don't I don't know. Um. So,

(01:02:47):
Brandon Marshall is now a wide receiver with the New
York Giants, right, okay, Now, Brandon Marshall has lived several
different lives. Early on in his NFL career, he was
he was troubled. He was troubled, and he had suffered
from bipolar not multiple personality disorder, and um he had like,

(01:03:14):
look here's the guy who bounced around team to team.
Remember there was the fit he threw during practice that
was filmed. I think that was in Miami. Led to
him being sent out of Miami and then he ended
up in in Chicago. But he was on uh W
E E eyes Kirk and Callaghan show. Now Kirk and Callaghan, um,

(01:03:35):
like that's a big show in Boston. But it's also
one which which pushes the envelope in many ways. There's
a little shock jockey part to it. But he also
but they also kind of used some of his own
words against them that there's a minute long clip here.
I want you to take a listen, and then we'll
discuss the statute of limitations on certain questions. I'm not

(01:03:58):
getting into the race cart with you guys. So if
that's what you guys want to do, then you can
go there. But black guy, black guys in America get
treated differently, period. Okay, so I'll just say that Brady
was treated pretty Black black guys in America get treated differently.
We've done with this interview. Could I get offer this interview?
All right? I'm done with you guys. I'm positive. We

(01:04:21):
just have some stories on front, you know what I mean.
Come on, man, you're going back to a year ago. Brother,
you guys made news. Now you've got Brandon Marshall to
say black guys get treated differently, and and I'm gonna
drop the mic when you guys if you believe black
players how different? Sandy said absolutely times. Yes, that's all.
It's a fair conversation, isn't it. We talked about Brady, Brandon.
We're talking about Brady all the time. That's what we do. Yeah, Well,

(01:04:42):
change the subject or I'm getting off from dropping the mic.
It's not what I want us using create. I'm coming
to guys, Well, did you prefer to just cruise of
the day? Brady and alright, so he didn't want to

(01:05:05):
talk about Tom Brady and how tom Brady was treated. Um,
they were, they were using his words against him. Let
me let me set it up here. He's on Kirk
and Callahan, and Marshall was upset when the interview veered
towards race comments he made in two thousand fifteen about
how white and black players were treated differently. I'm not

(01:05:26):
getting to the race card. That's what you heard. So,
Um Marshall didn't like the line of questioning. Two years ago,
amid the Tom Brady de flate Gate scandal, Marshall said
on Inside the NFL. Remember he was an analyst on
Inside the NFL. I think he still is that many
players believe black and white players are disciplined differently by
the league. White players, specifically at the quarterback position, are

(01:05:48):
disciplined differently. This week, Marshall presumably didn't want to go
there with the two white hosts of the radio show
in Boston. That's what you heard. So they didn't go
into Marshal's past. Right, Like Brandon, Marshall has had his
own personal issues. So I've always thought, like, look, there's

(01:06:09):
a statute of limitation. It's like Sean Merriman sometimes comes
on Fox Sports, Right, Sean Merriman was a Rookie of
the Year in the NFL, but then at some point
he tested positive p d S. That's like a decade ago.
Like I'm kind of done with it, Like unless it's
a steroid story and it makes sense, like you know
that's it's not poignant. Um, I kind of thought this

(01:06:30):
was a fair line of questioning. And I like Brandon,
and Brandon has been totally upfront about his He has
a he has a great cause, like he believes more
people should have greater access to mental health care, and
damn and I believe in him. I believe him. I
think it's absolutely correct. All the good things that he's

(01:06:51):
done though, and all the amazing opportunities you've received. If
you're going to be the first and only player in
the NFL on inside the NFL and you're gonna comment
up out how players believe that white quarterbacks are treated
differently than and then here's a guy suspended for something
that no one believes. They've proven that he's done, and
if it was an adjustment in a football to which

(01:07:12):
he personally hadn't done it four games was ridiculous. He
was overpunished if anything, like Brandon Marshall could say, like,
you know what, I think I might have been wrong
or I'm right if you look in the grand scheme
of things, Ben Roethlisberger was suspended for something that was
never proven that he had done. Like, I think, it's

(01:07:35):
an actually interesting discussion, and I think two years ago
is not past the statute of limitations, considering he was
talking about Brady, and he was talking about it in
the context of the NFL and discipline the NFL over
disciplined Tom Brady. I might be the only one here,
but I'm on team team Kirk and Callahan. Don't get

(01:07:58):
me wrong. There's a way in which you can get
into the question, and this happens. There are Johnny Damon's
golf tournament at the Mohegan Sun, which is it's a
really nice casino and it's uh, I'm not gonna say
it's not halfway in between New York and Boston, but
it's fairly close to halfway between. So New York radio

(01:08:21):
shows go up there and do it, Boston radio shows
come down and do it. It's Johnny Damon, who of
course was a red sock and a Yankee, and they're
doing interviews and you stop by, they put you on.
You're usually supposed to ask some fairly nice questions, but
you know, in soft questions. But I didn't. I didn't
think any of that was unfair in their line of questioning.

(01:08:44):
He acted like they're the ones who brought up race,
but they were bringing up race because Brandon Marshall had
brought up race in this very same topic. Marshall smart
enough to not do that, and he might have been
in a bad mood. I don't want to get out
of it, but he might have also realized that he
looked foolish with his comments. It's here's the thing, and

(01:09:06):
this is the lesson to Brandon Marshall as well as
anybody who does this. It's okay to say I was wrong,
or if you even wonder the political thing, I've evolved
on that topic. You like that one music, there's a
new one you can say, Like to your girlfriend when
you say something six months ago and she comes back
and use it against you, you say, baby, you're right,

(01:09:29):
but I've evolved, I've elved in that topic. I need
I need to put that one in the back pocket.
I was here now I'm here and maybe at some
point I'll get there. Are you with me? Are you
on team Brandon Marshall where they're like they're asking about
two year old comments and they're on a golf like
this is a hard thing when you were at a

(01:09:50):
golf tournament when you're everything is supposed to be like, hey, dude,
it's the offseason. I'm just chilling. I'm playing golf. Ask
me something about my new team. Asked me something about
my you know, everybody's like hawking something like I got
some hair gel that I'm selling. You know, these socks
right here, talk about the Brandon Marshall line of socks.
And you're like, look, I just want to talk about
this comments you made about Tom Brady like two years ago.

(01:10:10):
Well he said like white quarterbacks are judged differently than
black eyes, and like it kind of feels like he
was overpunished, and now we were past that suspension, Like
what do you think? And he's like, I don't want
to talk about that. Uh yeah, no, I'm I'm with
you in defending. And this is partially because I think
of where we come from as the people who sort

(01:10:30):
of organize that. You know, you would be the one
asking the question. I would be the one who would
go through the process of trying to get Brandon Marshall
on the show for me. You know, for those who
aren't aware of how this works, there are certain circumstances
where they'll be like, hey, so and so will come
on the show, but by the way, he's only coming
on the show if you promise not to ask about this.

(01:10:52):
So in this situation, if they didn't say hey, by
the way, just so you know, in general, anytime we
have Brandon on your show, he never wants to talk
about his you know, two thousand seven accusation, then I
can understand that. But if those parameters aren't set, like
I can understand why, maybe he's like, look, I don't
want to talk about that because it happened years ago.
But just say that, don't just get up from the interview,

(01:11:14):
you know, like, if you don't tell us it's off limits,
then you shouldn't be upset that we're asking about it.
I hate off limits in an interview anyway. I just do,
you know, like I don't know, like it's only I
I just you know, I'll turn down just you know,
you and Ryan Music and Cindy Kat's book this show.

(01:11:35):
And you know, when people say things are off limits,
like make just run it by me, because a lot
of times I won't want to have them on. Yeah,
you know, I go to listen. I don't want to,
you know, like if I was gonna have Darryl Morion,
it's like I don't And and now look at the
Carmelo Anthony deal is not done. That's one thing, but
the Caronla Anthony deal is not done. Like, well, I
don't want to talk about the Carmela anything. Well, I
don't want to have you on right exactly, so like

(01:11:59):
I could, I could understand those circumstances. But yeah, quite frankly,
if if it's not on the do not touch list,
then I you know, look just you you can deflect it,
or you can, like you said, there's different ways to
go about it, but all of a sudden just be like,
I don't like your line of questioning and to get
up from the interview. To me, it always ends up

(01:12:20):
looking worse on Brandon Marshall than it does on the
guys who were just asking the questions. I don't think
they asked anything wrong. I mean I could there. You know,
it's hard with the two guy interview. It's hard when
you're in a golf course. But I don't I don't
think it's wrong to say, hey, look, a couple of
years ago you had some tough words about the NFL
and punishment and race playing a part. There's It's just

(01:12:43):
there's a better way to ask the question, maybe like
where are you now on quarterbacks, white quarterbacks and their punishment?
Seeing is what happened to Tom Brady. The problem is, like,
no one actually remembers that Ben Roethlisberg got suspended and
he was never never charged with a crime. He's he

(01:13:04):
did a couple of stupid things, right, remember he uh,
he got in a motorcycle accident. And then there was
the issue with the woman. There's a lead sexual assault
with a woman in the back of a bar outside
of Atlanta, right, but he was never actually charged the
kind we suspending for six games the white quarterback so
um and many people thought that was light. I just

(01:13:28):
think this is a bad look. Uh, Devy Boys says
Brandon Marshall was fully within his rights and was respectful
but not wanting to talk about it. Race is a
hot button issue. I look, I agree races a hot
button issue, but Brandon Marshall brought up race and Tom
Brady like he brought it up on Inside the NFL

(01:13:49):
as an analyst for a show in which he is
on full time and here are two Boston radio hosts
asked him about those comments now two years later to
reflect on it. Yeah, no question, You're within your rights
and I want to talk about race, except for he

(01:14:11):
was the one who talked about race. Colin Cowherd had
something interesting to say about what you have UFC has
over boxing plus wait to you, as Skip Bayliss said
about the Lakers future with Alonzo Ball that part of
what did the Fox say? Next? What true car? You

(01:14:35):
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Doug out let me show Fox Sports Radio and every
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whether it's Clay Travis, who I believe it's in France

(01:14:56):
right now right or the undisputed Skip Bayliss, Shap and
in Sharp Joy Taylor, or the Dan Patrick Show or
Colin Calherd or Rich eyes In or JT. The Brick
or Steve uh Gorman Sports or Ben Maller or umh,
I'm forgetting I got Mallard? What's uh? Jason Smith? Yeah,

(01:15:21):
Jason Smith? How about a fresca at? How about a fresco?
Is this this Twitter? Whoever it is, we think it's
an interesting or maybe a really hot take. We might
make fun of it, we might comment on it, we
might react to it, but we'll definitely play it right now.
Yesterday in Toronto, Connor McGregor and Floyd made, whether I thought,

(01:15:41):
made fools of themselves and look like they were desperate
to drudge up people to buy this pay per view
of the fight of the Year. Here's what Colin cowherdad
to say. Boxing is clinging to a forty one year
old who yesterday came out and apologized with the guy
running the other organization. By the way, if you said Connor,
go apologize to the guy who runs boxing. Does anybody

(01:16:03):
know who runs boxing? It's a disorganized meth. And I
still believe in my core because I grew up with boxing,
not UFC. I still and so did Dana White. I
believe in my core the Americans, if you gave him
a great UFC fight, are a great boxing match, the
pay per view would side with boxing. But this shows
the value of leagues, centralized government, a real strong leader.

(01:16:29):
I know athletes, Owa's rip, Roger Goodell and nobody likes commissioners,
and Gary Battman and Rob Manfred and nobody likes commissioners. Um. Look,
I I do agree that the downfall of boxing has
been the fact that, like Floyd Mayweather, many Paciale fought
three or four years after they should have fought. I

(01:16:50):
mean that Mike Tyson did not fight some of the
great fight Now Provarder was used in jail during his
his his prime, but it took us forever to get
him together with uh, some of the other great heavyweights.
Andrew Holly. By the time he fought ATV Andrew Holyfield,
he was past his prime. He was washed up. Um,
Lennox Lewis, for example, Like they didn't when Lennox Lewis

(01:17:12):
was dumb, he wasn't fighting. Uh, Mike Tyson, that said, dude,
that was kind of a clown show yesterday. It just
was like, don't act like you hate each other when
you've been trying to work together to put two hundred
million dollars on a fight which no one actually believes
would be a great fight. And between the language that

(01:17:34):
you can't run you with Conna McGregor, like I get there, like, oh,
it's so funny. I can't believe he drops f bombs,
Like that's not good. You can't run that on nightly
sports shows. You can't. It's just honestly, it's trash TV.
And I like McGregor. I like everything that happens inside
the octagon. I think that is a man's gladiatorial sport.

(01:17:57):
But the idea you have to go Jerry Springer add
on a promotional tour to get people to watch it
only tells you that people don't want to watch it.
And that and that's what the Fox said. Wait, do
you hear what Tony Romo had to say about Colin Kaepernick.
That's next in the Doug Gottlieb show, Fox Sports Radio.

(01:18:23):
What happens to the live show Fox Sports Radio. There's
just another bomb track. I think everybody's intrigued by this
um Tony Romo experiment in the NFL in with CBS
covering the NFL, And of course said j Cutler with
us said Fox, Um, here's what I think. I've always

(01:18:45):
wondered this, Like most dudes are so scared. I was
so scared. Look when I worked at CBS, they were
super scared of me because I would say things that
everybody in the in sports, especially in the sport I
would cover on TV for them, a network ei for them,
people knew to be true or likely, and sometimes there's
ramifications from it, right, But my my thought is like, look,

(01:19:08):
if you're real and honest about the sport and with
your opinions about everybody across the board, then though you
may ruffle some feathers at first, at the end of
the day, guys were respected because they say like, well, hey, dude,
I like it. At least you're honest. Like I don't
always agree with you, but at least you're honest. That's
what people have always said about me. So I'm interested

(01:19:30):
to hear how they handle, Like Tony Romo didn't say
that much and um, and you know, he'll probably catch
some heat for whatever he said. From Colin Kaepernick's camp,
the good thing is like Colin Kaepernick's not in the NFL,
so there's not really a camp that matters. So he

(01:19:54):
was asked about Kaepernick. Romo said, I think that the
NFL has two real approaches most organizations that I found,
they try and go buy one. They want to collect
as much town as possible to. They want to make
it about the team, the team, the team, like that's
a big football monstre it comes from Bosham Beckler's famous
the team, the team, the team speech, And so with
Colin Kaepernick, this is Tony Romo speaking up me. I

(01:20:15):
firmly believe that if they viewed him as a starting
quarterback on day one, he would be on a team
right now. I believe he would. That's, by the way,
something that I've said this whole idea that Colin Kaepernick
is absolutely a starting quarterback. Like if he was that good,
somebody would have taken him. Somebody would pick him up,
because it's not you're not paying starting quarterback money. Romo

(01:20:35):
goes on, but I think that I believe he's good enough,
no question, to be a backup in the National Football League.
But when you're the backup, part of that is playing
the role on that team. So I think organizations sometimes
do you that as being part of the team. So
when you step out and do something that can be
talked about almost uh, almost talked about a lot, and

(01:20:57):
it's not about football. Sometimes that can go either way.
Believe me, if he he'd be on a team if
they thought it would allow them to win a championship.
In other words, like look, you can be outspoken about race,
simulate you better be really, really good. But if you're
a backup, you can't take away from the attention of
the football team or attention from the starter. That's not
your role. Now, Romo didn't really take up firm hard

(01:21:22):
stands other than saying, hey, what I've always said, which
is the league will tell you now. Do leagues make mistakes? Yeah,
but when thirty two teams I'll go he no, thanks.
What more do you need to know? Well, Colin Kaepernick
is a starting quarterback. You're worth what someone is willing

(01:21:45):
to pay you, not what you think your resume says. Well,
you know, I just graduated from Wharton that's the University
of Pennsylvania School of Business. I'm worth a dollar and
all you get is offers for sixty seventy Know what
you're worth? Why You're worth what somebody is willing to
pay you. So I'm I'll be interested to hear what

(01:22:09):
Tony it went Tony Almo. If he he's gonna have
to engage about topics and players that he's played with,
it against something that he likes somebody doesn't like. And
if he treats everybody fairly, I don't think you'll have
any sort of issue at all. But I do know
that he works for a place that the last thing
they want is any sort of controversy. You know, just

(01:22:31):
come in, call your game, do your thing, you know,
make sure nobody's feathers are ruffled, and you'll be fine.
That's kind of their thing. And he'll give them kind
of a new age look at the NFL. He will
give them kind of a He'll give them hipper lingo
and be and be more relevant than Phil Simms, even
though Phil Simms won a Super Bowl and won an

(01:22:52):
m VP and I've been with them for nineteen years.
But he didn't really say anything other than what I
have said, which is, Look, if Colin Kaepernick was that good,
he'd be on a team already. But the role of
a backup is not the role of a starter one.
Kaepernick doesn't want to be a backup too, because he
doesn't want to be a backup that that ruthers people

(01:23:12):
the wrong way. And then, most importantly, when you're a backup,
you're like seeing not heard. I think of the backups
in the National Football League? Have you seen him? Do
you know who they are? Like? Who is a backup for? Oh?

(01:23:33):
I don't know. Like, let's look at the backups. Who's
the backup for Aaron Rodgers for example? Right? Like Rogers
a guy that runs around. He's an athletic quarterback. And
you could say, like, well, hey, you know, what if
what if we Colin Kaepernick as the backup quarterback? But

(01:23:55):
they got Brett Huntley, who they drafted in the fifth
round couple of years ago. He's six three, also an
athletic quarterback, and he's been in the system for a
couple of years. He doesn't have to learn it. Is
he better than Colin Kaepernick. He's not as proven, he
probably isn't as good at his peak. But we already
have a guy. Right the Washington Redskins, Well they got

(01:24:18):
Kirk Cousins. They got a quarterback guru as their head coach.
Who's their backup quarterback? Well, it's Cote McCoy, who's a
former starter, uh, kind of elusive out of the pocket.
The Redskins actually really really like him, former third round pick,
like all of these guys, like you can't tell me,
Like you couldn't pick Colte McCoy out of a lineup anymore.

(01:24:41):
That's a backups too. They're stable, they're nondescript, they try
to always be ready. They're usually pretty well liked by teammates.
And that's not new Kaepernick is. So I don't think
Romo is taking a hard stance, but I do think
he's speaking a lot of truth there. Yeah, music, you know,

(01:25:02):
with this whole Colin Kaepernick talk, something that I've always
been curious about and we haven't really heard of. There
have been a couple of current players that have, you know,
either voice support for Colin Kaepernick or what have you,
but people have always put it on the owners, like
the owners are clearly black balling Colin Kaepernick. How many

(01:25:23):
players in the locker room do you think are going
directly to their owner or when they're asked, like, you know, honestly,
I don't want Colin Kaepernick in the locker room, Like
I feel like the general consensus is that it's like
the owners in the GMS, they're blocking them out and
no one's really considering, like maybe the actual players are
the ones who also aren't championing for Colin Kaepernick to
be on their team. Well, I don't think that's the

(01:25:46):
way it necessarily works on a football team. I just don't.
Part of it is, you know, his most successful regime
when he was in the NFL was with Jim Harbaugh
and very few of Hardball's guys working with Kaepernick. Marck
Kaepernick had a bad reputation before any of this went down.
You know, when he lost the starting job, there was
the he was the guy who was walking around the

(01:26:08):
facility with headphones on and wasn't engaging. Again, that's not
the role of the starting quarterback. You're supposed to bring
people together, not break people apart um. Yeah, I I don't.
I I just don't think it's the role of most teams.
Those guys don't have any say is the NFL, dude,
not for long. You worry about yourself, plus that you

(01:26:29):
already have the starter. You gotta be in for the starter.
The bigger thing is what what really big brings people
to organizations, as I've told you, is the rabbi in
the room. Do you have somebody in that room that
is invested in calling Colin Kaepernick and can bring him in?
And the answer is now, apparently not. Doesn't have enough
people champion championing him so that he has a gig

(01:26:52):
and he's got a champion himself. He's got to get
himself to the point where, Okay, I'm not a starter.
I gotta be a backup. I gotta be willing to
take backup money. And if you ask people in the NFL,
they can't get a response as to what the actual
price would be if they want to sign him. So
most teams like, we're moved on. And maybe he's a
smart one because now he's just gonna sit out and
wait and see if somebody's knee blows up or shoulder
blows up, or elbow blows up, or it gets a concussion,

(01:27:14):
and he can come in and say, look, I'm a
starting quarterback. Worst case scenario, I run a bround back
there and make a play. I've played a couple of
different systems. Let's figure it out. But I don't think
it's just as easy as well. You know, he's taking
this hard and fast hands. By the way, like even
right now, which he's allowed to do. He's continued to
be a part of social change. But I'm sure there's

(01:27:39):
plenty of gms are sitting there going like, hey, that's great.
But if he wants to play, he should get ready
to play football. He should get ready to play football.
Eight seven seven nine nine. Fox is the phone number.
Waiting to see if Carmelo Anthony is dealt. Waiting to see, uh,

(01:27:59):
what happens with the Chicago Cubs now that they've made
a big trade. We'll talk about that a little bit
later on this hour as we get to the press.
But coming up next Brady Quinn, one of our lead
anialysts for college football. We'll ask him he's been a
backup quarterback before life of a backup quarterback scene but
not heard? How hard is that role change for a
guy like Capering and uh, we're creeping closer and closer

(01:28:20):
to a college football season. What's it like he's been
that guy he's been? Earlier this week, Sam Donald joined
us from USC Zach Rose and I'm sure we'll join
us in the near future from u c l A.
Both are expected to be top five draft picks. What's
it like to be that guy in July, knowing that
once we kick off in September, you gotta perform because

(01:28:41):
expectations are you're gonna compete for Heisman Trophy and be
a top draft pick. We'll ask Brady Quinn he joins
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(01:29:23):
blah blah blah. He says, we're becoming a society where
everyone has given a voice and is allowed to express
themselves openly. Backup quarterback or not at Gottlieb Show. That's
Dr Robert three three. Appreciate you listening, Robert, but you
don't operate in the real world. The real world is
when you work for a company, you don't get the
chance to express yourself because your views though you though
your company, Like when when you come on on Fox

(01:29:45):
Sports Radio else they can say they can run a tag. Hey,
the views of Doug Gotlib show don't necessarily respect that
of Fox Sports Raw. That doesn't mean they can just
say anything. It doesn't. And when you represent a league
or a team or a city and you talk about
police officers in the way that Colin Kaepernick has in
addition to and look, I'm not I don't believe that

(01:30:08):
that's the only reason he's not on a on a team.
But when you're a backup quarterback, you can't be a
bigger draw, have more attention drawn to you than the
guy who's the starter. It's not the way the pecking
more of the team works. You just gotta be there,
preparing for your shot and helping the starter get better.
That's what your job is. And if what you're doing

(01:30:31):
outside of your job takes away from your job, you're
going to lose that first job. And that's what's happened
to him. And that's what you don't get. I'll tell
a guy who might agree, might not agree, I have
no idea. Brady Quinn, when our lead analysts for college
football on Fox Sports also calls NFL games as well.
He joins us here on Fox Sports Trader. You've been
a starter, you've been a backup. How different is that

(01:30:52):
role in the NFL in terms of leadership and and
what how you're supposed to present yourself, how much you're
supposed to be in the spotlight night and day When
you are the starting quarterback of an NFL franchise, especially
when you drafted are signed to a big deal or
a blockbuster deal. You are the face of that franchise,

(01:31:12):
and you know everything you say is going to be scrutinized,
everything you do is going to be critiqued, and and
that's what kind of comes along with that big payday
and everything that comes along with being the starting quarterback
in the NFL. When you're the backup, entirely different story.
You're just an insurance policy. You're just the guy who's
supposed to get you through a game until the starter
can come back in, or a guy who can who

(01:31:35):
can largely get you through maybe a couple of weeks
before the starter can come back. Um, you know, now
there's a different situations. Sometimes you've got an older guy
who's kind of a placeholder until a younger guy is
ready to go. But for the most part, the starting
quarterback in the NFL is the face of your franchise. Yeah. So,
so the ideas is Tony Romo is like, look, if

(01:31:56):
you're a backup, um, there's more to you can't you
just can't be outspoken. That's just not really who you
can be. UM. And his assessment was like, if Colin
Kaepernick was if everybody thought he could help him win
a championship, he'd be on a team. So the assessment
the league makes is he's really more backup quasi starter,
and with that, he's not willing to accept a secondary

(01:32:19):
role in terms of being a sports spokesperson. Is that
Is that a fair assessment from somebody who's been in
and out that league? Uh? Somewhat. I mean, look, I
think there's many layers to the Colin Kaepernick conversation. Can
we agree upon this is Colin Kaepernick better than any
of the quarterbacks who are currently on the New York
Jets roster. I think you could make the case Colin

(01:32:40):
Kaepernick would be the best quarterback if he was on
the Jets roster right now. There's maybe other a couple
of teams you could make um that that statement, and
and it would be true. The problem is this, from
a playing standpoint, you have to have an offensive and
suits his skill set, a coaching staff that's willing to
a app to his strength, and that's one in which

(01:33:02):
involves quarterback runs, which there may become injuries with that.
It's one in which involves more moved the pocket passes
and and even in saying that he he that's kind
of diminished a little bit over the past few years. Um. Now,
granted he's had some coaching changes in things, but his
ability has diminished a little bit. Everyone's gonna throw out
that touchdown interception ratio last year sixteen touchow sling and stuff.

(01:33:24):
That's great. The advanced analytics actually show that he's not
making the first guy missed when he won the football.
When he gets outside the pocket, he's not as accurate
as he used to be and teams essentially figured him out.
So he is what he is, And the problem is
teams don't want to put him in a position to
be their starting quarterback because they don't necessarily believe that
he can take them ultimately back to a super Bowl
like did and they can be successful. Now are there

(01:33:47):
teams that don't sign him because of you know how
he you know, took a knee during the national anthem
last season. Yes, there's probably some teams that have taken
a stance against that. But I think it's a combination
of things. I don't necessary know. I think it's just
one particular thing. Um. Look, you're covered down in the
NFL game, but the college game, especially for Fox Sports

(01:34:07):
this year, was just announced. One of our lead teams,
you're covering college football. So we had Sam Donald on
earlier this week. If anybody wants to listen to the interview,
check out the Doug Gotlip Show podcast you get at
Fox Sports Radio dot Com, iTunes, wherever you download podcast
and if you rate us, that like helps us climb
up the charts. Whatever. Donald was great. We've had them
on several times. So you've been Sam Donald, you've been

(01:34:29):
Josh Rosen, Like, you've been the guy that like, all right,
that guy is probably win the Heisman Trophy or compete
for it, and then that guy is gonna be a
first round draft pick. What's that like to be? Like,
we're in July, there's all these expectations for September, October, November,
December and early January. What's that? What's that like for
these young players that uh could come back to school

(01:34:49):
but everybody's assuming they're gone. Tell me what that is
actually like? Well, I think the funny thing is always
that you know, you know what's in your heart and
every you know, Sam Donald's kind of mentioned to it.
I talked to Clay Helton, their head coach at Southern Cal.
He alluded to it that it's not a given that
Sam Donald won't come back for another year and then
maybe possibly is playing football. US seen tout an eighteen.

(01:35:13):
So you know, don't bet on him, you know, Sam
Donald said, and don't thank for him because of that.
And that's kind of how I felt m after my
junior season. Wasn't you know, I wasn't planning on leaving.
I I had gold that I set out for myself
when I first got them there Dame to start off
with getting a degree, but even more than that, trying
to win a national championship, trying to do all the
things that you kind of set out back when you're

(01:35:34):
in high school. And those are important to me. They
might be important other people. People might tell you're stupid
for for going another year and putting on that risk
of getting injured any of your career and all of that.
But the fact that the matter is we all make
our choices, and that was something that mattered to me
was getting my degree and finish my education now because
I know how much harder it is to go back
and finish it. But once you do become a pro

(01:35:55):
and once you do move on to that next step.
All right, we were discussing Brady. Uh, you said how
you had goal set out one was to get your degree,
that you you knew how hard it was to get back.
But what about the actual process of preparing for a
season with all those expectations in front of you. I mean,
people always have to understand the mindset of a college
football player, really any football player. You kind of live

(01:36:18):
your life week by week, and as much as everyone
talks about what may come after that, you know, you're
so focused on, you know, every day just trying to
get something a little bit better the next week, trying
to prepare for that opponent or whatever it is. And
that's just how you're geared. That's really the only life
that you kind of know. Once the season's over, if
he's gonna have a lot to contemplate, and you're gonna
have to listen to a lot of different people tell

(01:36:39):
you all sorts of things where you're pretty, you know
what teams likes you, is probably gonna take you, and
all that. But between now and then, honestly, I mean,
you're not thinking about all that stuff. And if you're smart,
you get an insurance balls. I mean I i too
throughout the course of my college career. Um, so it
did give you a little bit of peace of mind
that if something happened, at least you'd be able to

(01:37:00):
cash on something from an injury standpoint. But for the
most part, awesome, You're just trying to live in the moment.
I mean, we only go through college once and and
if you don't take the opportunity to enjoy it while
you're in it, and you're always worried about that next step,
that next thing, you're gonna miss out on really, you know,
arguably the best time of your life I think for
most people. Yeah, it's like being president mindful right, as

(01:37:20):
they tell you in yoga, give you president mindfuls. The
same thing when you're a college football quarterback. Brady Queen
joining US degree hot yoga and then the only thing
you can think about is that moment you get out
of the hot yoga so you can get a drink
of water, cooled down a little bit. I gotta tell you,
I'm a big fan of the hot yoga. We actually
we got a hot yoga in our building in Foxford.

(01:37:40):
You come do it with you, Come do hot yoga
with us. We'll get you sweat and you do. Yes,
getting you, but you gotta you gotta, you gotta maintain
like I'm not gonna walk out that door. I'm not
gonna walk out that door. I'm not gonna walk out
that door. But as bad as you want to walk
out that door, Brady Quinn, we're talking yoga and college
quarterbacks as well as NFL here on Fox Sports Radio.
All right, Donald joined me, and he's d He's like,

(01:38:01):
all right, what's the one thing you want to work on.
He's like, well, you know, I gotta I gotta be
better in the pocket. I gotta be better through the
not just read one, two and then run get to
three and maybe even four. Uh you you see that
position way better than any of us do. Like, how
far away is he from being refined enough? To take
that next step. I don't think he's far at all.

(01:38:22):
I love watching him and I hate admitting that, you know,
because he is a Southern cow guy. But now this
is uh my life, you know, I I covered the
pack twelve, so I've I've got to admit I actually
I loved watching him and calling their games last year.
I just think he plays. You know, you don't feel
like anyone's like trying to critique him or trying to
coach him, and he's trying to do something. This throwing motion,

(01:38:44):
he just articulates his arm however he needs to to
make the throw, and he can make all the throws,
even in the pocket. He's got a good feel for it.
You know when to scramble, when to step up, when
to move, and when you just sit there sometimes when
there's there's no rush, guys, Nancy, he seems to do
a pretty good job of just sitting there. And you
know he's gonna be probably hard on himself talking about

(01:39:05):
getting number three, number four. I could, you know, tell
you a number of times watching film, I remember seeing
him go through one to three and getting to four
sometimes or deciding that he needed to run because the
pocket was collapsing. So I think he's got a lot
of maturity, a lot of good feel for the game.
If there's one thing, I think his motion gets a
little bit long at times. Um, you know, people are

(01:39:27):
gonna hate this comparison and they're not gonna like how
it sounds. And this is only because it was the
first person that pop in my mind was Ryan Fitzpatrick's
motion sometimes gets a little bit long. He kind of
reminded me to have a little bit at times a
wind up of Fitzpatrick. But look, he's a bigger guy,
he's got a strong arm, completely different player. But for
whatever reason, that was just kind of the first guy

(01:39:47):
that kind of came to mind where I thought his
throwing motion looked a little bit similar. What about Rosen?
Rosen everybody said two years ago that's gonna be the
number one pick in the NFL draft. He suffered some
injuries last year. Uh, he's had a depleted offensive line,
which had they haven't They haven't been nearly as good
even last year when they were healthy. Early in the year,
he had to kill of big turnovers against Texas, Say
and m the first time we got a chance to

(01:40:08):
see him. Where is he in comparison to Sam Darham
as a quarterback, I think right now, he's got a
lot more to prove, and he's played you can say,
almost almost as much football during his freshman sophomore year. Um,
but you know, look, he's got to take a big
jump up. And I think he's got to do something
too about his image. Whether he cares or not, He's
got at least a per perception from scouts people I

(01:40:31):
talked to when they talk about this upcoming quarterback class
is you know, he's kind of the smartest guy in
the room, and and sometimes that can actually upset an
OC or a quarterback coach sometimes. And he's kind of,
you know, too smart, too smart for his own good
with the way he handles things and discussion. So I
think he's got to prove himself on the field big time. Um,
you know, one with just the ability to play the

(01:40:51):
game not be so analytical naturally. He's he's probably got
the most talent of anyone in the country. Unfortunately, I
think you look at um, you know, how his career
has gone so far, it's been pretty inconsistent. It's been
uh different on the road as opposed to at home too.
When you look at him statistically and how he's played
perfore much better at home um, which which is usually
the case, but not as glaring maybe as it as

(01:41:14):
for Josh Rosen. But I think he's the one that
really had to take up a big step with this
quarterback group coming in the next season if he and
you know, plans to go to the draft, uh, because
I think right now it's Sam Donald, Josh Allen quarterback
at Wyoming, and then Rosen's kind of that third guy
right now, and there's some other guys who are gonna,
you know, might surprise you and leap up into that spot.

(01:41:35):
Mason Rudolph at Okahamastake could be one. There's a number
of guys. I think this is gonna be a very
deep quarterback class. I want to ask you really quickly
about Mason Rudolph because I've watched him uh in person
on TV more than anybody outside of maybe Donald. Um.
He's massive, you know, he's six five ish, has a
huge arm, but he struggles with some accuracy issues. There

(01:41:58):
were there were times when people thought because you were
so strong, like dude, you were a freak show body
wise that people thought, well, maybe that's some of some
of the accuracy issues that you had maybe in the
in the NFL. How hard is it for a guy
to improve is that because he has a huge arm,
but there's some underneath throws that he just misses on sometimes?
How hard is that to to tinker with and and

(01:42:19):
change and evolve as you get ready for your upcoming season.
I think so much of accuracy has to do with,
first off, you know, knowing where you're going with the
football and knowing the offense that you're running. You know,
Mason Rudolph really had his first year last year. Starting
before that, he was kind of split in time, and
I think it's just familiar with there with the offense,
being able to anticipate things and throw balls confidently. I

(01:42:41):
think that's half the battle, And that's kind of what
I witnessed a little bit watching him, um really start
and play for the majority of the time UM last
year for for really truly the first time. So UM,
that to me was something that I know, when I
had had a new offense, which I had a bazilion
of it in an eight year career, I think I
had a new offenses. So you know, because of that,
I think you're always kind of almost second guessing, or

(01:43:02):
sometimes you get surprised by things, so you're reacting instead
of anticipating, and you're trying to play catch up. And
that's where a lot of your inaccuracies can come from.
The size thing and all that, you can throw it
out the window, you know, I'll go back to the
yoga analogy. You know, I'm about as flexible as limber
as anyone, So there was that was never an issue
with people being too tight or too muscle down and
all that and more had to do with you know,

(01:43:24):
being able to mentally know where you're going to football,
being good with your eyes and then your feet and
your body fall your eyes and a lot of times
I think that's what quarterback struggle with when they're not
in a system for a very long time and then
they're still trying to get a feel for the offense.
You can hear him this year with Joe Davis and
Bruce Felban, part of an incredible team UH covering college football,

(01:43:46):
specifically the Pact Twelve this year. The Big Ten comes
to Fox Sports this year. UH, she'ld be a great year,
and of course you got the Big Twelve as well.
Brady Quinn Fox Sports football analyst joining us on the
Doug Gotlip Show. Brady awesome breakdown. Really appreciate you join
us on sports radio. Always a pleasure, Doug, thanks for
having me on. Pleasure is mind. That is Brady Quinn

(01:44:06):
joining us on the d G Show. Yeah, if you
missed that Sam Donald interview, check it out. Go to
iTunes and you can download it. The Knicks might have
their new GM. Find out after we can. The Knicks
might have found their new GM. You'll find out who
after we find out What's trending Doug out Lip Show,

(01:44:27):
Fox Sports Radio. You heard that from Dan Buyer on
what's trending is that Tony Romo is not coming back? Like,
I'm Tony. What happened? Okay? Tony Romo was answering hypotheticals
early on right like it happened really fast. He went

(01:44:49):
from thinking about taking a deal with the Houston Texans
to being the lead analysts and CBS and then like
they're asking about coming back. It's like, I don't know,
like I can't say never, but probably never. I do
believe he doesn't never come back and play football. I
I just do. I think he's done and I think
he's done because he's got kind of a layup gig
like Jim Hanns is really good. He'll make him look

(01:45:12):
he'll make him sound very good. He'll have the best producers,
car service, first class, nice hotels, everybody working around the clock.
It'll be like, um, what was Eddie Murphy's character Dan
Buyer in Uh Coming to America? What was what was
the prince's name? I can't remember what the prince's name was,

(01:45:32):
Prince A Keen. Yeah, he's the team. That's how he
will be treated by the folks at CBS. That's a great,
great ad there, Buyer. You know, Uh, Ryan Music hasn't
seen Coming to America. There's no way. It's too good.
It's too good a movie but well before his time.
I'm a calm clay, I'm a calm Have you seen it?
Of course? Yeah, of course. Just because it came out

(01:45:54):
doesn't mean I haven't seen it. It's not like the
eight I'm looking at it right now. Release State Une,
give me one line. I gave you wipe, I gave
you one wipers. I can't come. There's so many lines.

(01:46:17):
It fifteen times. You don't have to see it fifteen
times Joe Lewis was seventy two years rock your mass out.
It was seventy two years old. What do you know,
said Joe Lewis. I got nothing, yo, Lewis, keep his
ask nothing. Nope, all right they at the end of
the movie. Let's see, Dan Buyer, let's see if can
get this Before we get to the press. Man walks

(01:46:40):
into a restaurant. He orders the soup. He says, wai
to try the soup, sir, Is the soup too hot?
Try the soup soup cold? Try the soup? Okay, where's
the spoon, Dan Buyer? I don't know what, Doug. Sorry, yeah,
don't know. Yeah, I don't know. Where's the spoon. Let's

(01:47:07):
get to the press. The press. Very disappointed, you guys,
last joking a little bit, very funny. It was that
we got that movie just came out, didn't it. I'm
just kidding. That's a classic. That's a modern di classic.

(01:47:28):
Alright now? Is that a modern day classic? It's a
very good movie. Oh my god, you guys are all
killing me. How about Venus Harlem Nights? It's good? What
do you got? How about Venus Williams? She continues her
run for her sixth Wimbledon Crown a straight sets victory today.
She will now face Carben Muga Ruthla in Saturday's final.
For Venus, she's five and three in her career in

(01:47:50):
Wimbledon finals. All three of those losses came at the
hands of Serena, so hopefully, for Venus's sake, she could
get number six. How about this that Doug dug up
since there's only been four Wimbledon Ladies finals that haven't
included a Williams sister, so dominance continues. Venus goes for
another title Saturday. Here's what I think. Okay, and and

(01:48:15):
I wanna be very cautious with my wording here. I
agree with John McEnroe. There is no way you could
ever say that Serena Williams is the greatest tennis player ever.
I don't even know if she's the most dominant tennis
player ever. Uh, She's had so many swings and sways
to her career. But I have no problem saying, not
only is the way are the Williams sister is the

(01:48:35):
greatest story in the history of tennis. It's in the
conversation of the greatest story in the history of sports.
Their dad didn't have much of a tennis background. He
taught him to play in courts in Compton, California. Said
they would be among the greats of all time, and
they are. That's incredible. It's an incredible story that at

(01:48:56):
some point you just gotta go, you know what, there
the Williams. Occasionally they have said some things and done
some things that you don't love, but you also haven't
lived in their shoes, and in their shoes they've won
all these majors. It's incredible. Doug. Moving on to the NBA,
then Knicks could be close to hiring King's vice president
Scott Perry to be their general manager. If that's the case,

(01:49:19):
Steve Mills then would be promoted to president of the Knicks.
If Perry takes the job, Perry with then a report
to Mills in a short time. It's Sacramento has done
a lot of good, but Scott Perry could be on
the move. M m m hmmm um. Interesting because if
you the Kings have been the laughing stock of the NBA.
Now they have kind of recovered fairly quickly here and

(01:49:43):
people respect what they're doing, not just with the draft
but bringing in uh some vets to go alongside them.
But like, who would ever think of hiring somebody for
the Kings as an upgrade? Like why would that ever happen?
The Kings have been the land of misfit toys up
until very very recently. John Ramos, um, alright, let's cash

(01:50:08):
it in. How these Spurs renounced the rights to Jonathan Simmons, Doug,
I don't know what's going on, John Rammos over there
are resenting his resenting his funeral, and he presses all
kinds of button. His hands are dead today. I think, Uh,
these Spurs, These Spurs renounced the rights to Jonathan Simmons,

(01:50:31):
resenting his qualifying offer, making him an unrestricted free agent,
trying to Sun up to a new deal, couldn't come
to terms, tried to trade him to the Sons. That
didn't happen. Now he's a free agent. Interesting times with
the Spurs, right, I mean, this is really kind of
fascinating that they had two young up and coming players
Dayne Deadman and Jonathan Simmons, and they're both appeared to

(01:50:51):
be gone. They've done such a good job of developing
athletes from the CB and from the D League and
from overseas that they end up losing these eyes. I
don't know where the spurs are next year like that. Yeah,
they still have some pieces, but I stand by the
Chris Paul choosing not to go there officially puts an
end to their run and and puts them more in

(01:51:14):
rebuild mode than in championship mode. Finally, tug, you think
John Rolis is having a good day. A Texas man
got stuck in an A t M yesterday and asked
for help by slipping notes to people through the receipt
slot of the machine. Yes, so so thinking about that,
You're standing at a machine and these notes are coming out.
Help me get out. But apparently it all went down

(01:51:34):
on Corpus Christi, Texas, where police say that a worker
who was working on the A t M at the
door shut, didn't have his phone, didn't have his keys
to get out, and yes, I was stuck in the
A t M and there was no way to get
him out. Finally police arrived and were able to free
him from the Yes, next thing, next thing, you know,

(01:51:55):
you're gonna tell me that Jonah lived in the mouth
of a whale and that somebody wrote it down and
people believe it. Actually, people do believe it. That's the press.
Get out there and pressed. That was the press. I mean,
at least if you come out for me in an
a t I mean, you'd have some money in your hand,
right Like, at least that's that's the only thing I

(01:52:16):
can think of. At least you would have some money,
some cash dollars in your pocket. Richard Sherman needs to
start living in reality and not motivating his fellow players
to do something which is completely unrealistic. I'll tell you
what that is next. Broadcasting live from the studios of

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(01:52:58):
Show from Israel. Um get to that in a second.
All we have learned, all we have done in a moment.
But Russell Russell, Richard Sherman, Russell Wilson's quarterback, Richard Sherman
was on UM was interviewed at the sp Awards UM
going back last night, and he had this to say,

(01:53:19):
kind of interestingly to some about what he thinks needs
to happen if NFL players are to get guaranteed contracts
like that of Major League Baseball players or NBA players
as a NFL and as a union want to get
anything done, and players gotta be winning to strike, you know.
I think that's the thing that guys need to realize
that you're gonna have to miss games. You're gonna have

(01:53:40):
to lose some money if you're willing to make the point,
because that's how MLB and NBA got it done. They
miss games, They struck eight flexed every bit of power
they had, and it was awesome. They worked out for him,
it sounds like a great idea. Look, the collective Barn
agreement between the NFL and the NFL p A is
a total win for the NFL. He's right in that

(01:54:01):
the players weren't willing to miss paychecks. Remember the last
time that they had a lockout, they struck a deal
and what we were told was the very very late
moments of they're gonna have to start canceling games. But see,
that would have been a win for the players. Like
NFL players right now are still bent own of shape

(01:54:21):
over the the power that the Commissioner's office has those
details should have been worked out when they negotiated the
new CBA. They were not. And the reason they didn't
get to those details was too many of their rank
and file members, like the rest of us, live check
to check. They need those checks. They know they have
a small window to which they can play in the

(01:54:42):
National Football League. That with every year that they play,
more more cheaper laborers coming out of college football, and
so they got to take the best possible deal they
can get. Let's it, Hey, whatever increase we can get,
we can fight where we fight with. But the ooid
like we're gonna strike, Like for what? For guaranteed contracts?

(01:55:05):
Why if I'm an NFL owner, would I give you
any more guarantees than I already have. Players can't stay healthy,
contracts continue to go up in value. They get their guarantees.
And by the way players have guarantees, they're signing bonuses,
their roster bonuses. There's escalator bonuses, there's performance bonuses that
are easily met. You know why the idea of an

(01:55:29):
entire league striking that's somehow going to help, you know,
it's not, which is not the reason. The salaries that
ever be the same is because it's an incredibly violent
sport that's not good for your body. So why would
I sign up to guaranteeing you money? Guaranteed contracts had
to be ensured. If I'm an insurance carried, my premiums
would be ridiculously high. So they're already guaranteed contracts. Rookie contracts,

(01:55:54):
for example, are many of them first round draft picks
guaranteed there, m it's smaller than they used to be, right.
That's the thing that Cam Newton made like million over
four years as opposed to Sam Bradford sign got fifty
million dollar signing bonus. That's the difference. If you want
a guaranteed deal, they'll do it. Richard Sherman's the whole
deal could be guaranteed one. It's gonna be thot money,

(01:56:19):
all right. Boys. So this is the last show I'm
doing from Israel, um and it's pretty cool to do
a show a couple of like a weaker or so
shows from Tel Aviv and a weaker so shows here
from Jerusalem. I've seen most the entire country of coaching
a little basketball toured. I'm gonna go to the Western
Whaling Wall tomorrow. Night during Shabbat and kind of check

(01:56:40):
that that whole scene out. It's pretty amazing to be
in the center of three three of the world's most prominent,
three Ruld's most prominent religions. And I really want to
thank e to Mark Cohen who helped set up these
two studios, and Scott Shapiro at Fox Sports Radio help
make sure we got this thing done, and of course

(01:57:00):
John Ramos who uh made sure that I stayed on
the air, as well as all of our our cohorts there,
Dan Buyer for picking up he a thirty seconds of
incredible radio when we dropped one day. All of these
things they have to work together cohesively in order to
bring you the Dug Gotlip Show. Buyer, that thirty seconds
they're giving you, Marconi, I don't know if you're up for.

(01:57:22):
That's best thirties Yeah, best thirty second fill in the history.
Of course, you can hear Dan Buyer on weekends too,
This Dug Got Lip Show Live from Israel.

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