August 16, 2024 • 50 mins
On this edition of The Best Of The Dan Patrick Show: Doug Gottlieb and Dan Beyer in for Dan as they discuss the New England Patriots, how their rookie Drake Maye did Thursday night, and what the identity is of this current team.
They debate the Colin Kaepernick situation, whether or not he is being truthful when he says he still wants to play in the NFL.
Doug and Dan talk about the number of teams that would welcome Tom Brady's services right now. Former NFL Executive and former Bucs' General Manager Mark Dominik joins the guys to weigh in on the Patriots, Sam Darnold, and all of the other major headlines around the NFL.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:05):
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Speaker 4 (00:17):
Good morning to you, Dan.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
It's Dan Patrick Show, Fox Sports Radio. You chose to
sit in your studio? Did I Did I say something?
Did I do something?
Speaker 4 (00:26):
I just igat? I'm not like you're cool with it
with doing it.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
It's really our new studios here at Fox Sports Radio.
I can look at you as opposed to the old studio.
I couldn't see you. But we've done this where you
sat here and they sat there. I just didn't know
it was if I said something.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
We've done that at Super Bowls. We've sat next to
each other. We've done it two time zones away. But
there are also things that I do need to do
in here when maybe you and I aren't chatting.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Fair enough, fair enough, fair enough. It's it's doing work, okay.
So we got a lot of stuff to talk about.
Mark Dominic is going to join us upcoming in twenty
five minute. Mark's former gentlemanager of the Tampay Buccaneers. He's
basically spend an entire professional life in the NFL, and
we'll get his thoughts on I think the question of
the day, and it's like a it's a question we
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have just about every year. Is you draft a quarterback?
When do you give him that opportunity? When do you
give them that opportunity? And for everybody but the Atlanta Falcons,
right that opportunity you feel like is going to come,
and especially the first round draft picks, that that opportunity
is going to come sometime during their first season. And
last night, if you watched Drake May against the Philadelphia Eagles,
(01:35):
you're like, hey, this might work, right, And of course
they have Jacoby Brissett and who former Patriot coming back
to the Patriots, who we know is just solid.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Seems like a stud dude.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
You know, I remember remember that game he started gosh
how many years ago was it where when he was
a rookie where they just they kind of ran an option.
They know, it was like it was an all time
bellow check wind.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Garoppolo was supposed to fill in for Brady, but then
Garoppolo got hurt.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Wait, Jimmy Garoppolo got hurt. That never surprise. That was
during the four game suspension for Brady, right, yes, and
then that was actually probably your first question about Garoppolo,
who actually didn't fare that poorly when he was playing.
But you're like, wow, if Jacoby Brissett can put something together,
maybe it is just Belichick. That one was just Belichick.
(02:25):
They were running option, they were doing all kinds, all
kinds of trickery. I want to say again, and this
is just off top of head. Was that against the Texans.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
I feel like the Texans always go up there. I
remember Textan you have been. I remember the Texans also
another Texan game when they went up there with the
letter jackets that did not end well.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
That was a home game. That was because it was
like Letterman's Day. Yeah, that didn't that didn't work. Those
I don't know if those even made a return.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
No, no, I thought that they There was never another letter.
It was just just just that one. So I yeah,
I mean again, I don't want to get caught up
in Patriot talked for the most part, but it was
interesting last night to watch him because you know, the
reports were eh eh, and then you watch him play
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last night, and maybe some of it was a comparison
to Drake to Jacoby Brissett, who was inaccurate, but some
of it was.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Yeah, it looks like you might be able to play.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
It's funny because Drake May is going to be included
in the twenty twenty four quarterback class. But there's a
subclass to this too, Doug, where you're in the one,
two three, that's who you're lined up with. So it's
not even necessarily being compared with Michael PENNOCKX you alluded to,
is not going to see the field this year unless
there's an injury to Kirk Cousins. We know now no, well,
(03:40):
we now know JJ McCarthy is not going to see
the field this year for the Minnesota Vikings because of
his knee injury. But still, I don't know how those
two would have been compared when you go one, two
three in a draft, and by far, the New England
Patriots are the worst team suited of those three picks,
those three teams that picked in the top three in
the nif FELL Draft this past spring, Caleb Williams and
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Jade and Daniels have a much better opportunity to succeed
than Drake May does in New England. So there's a
lot with it in terms of do you throw him
in there? To that point, I mean, Caleb Williams looked great.
There's just when you're looking at these quarterbacks and we
look back at history, there's gonna be this subset where
we're going to rank was it Williams, was that Daniels,
(04:24):
was it May? And who was better? And that's what
Trake Bay's gonna have to deal with.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Yeah, and and you you also have to credit the
Chicago Bears, who it's it's one thing to draft a quarterback,
but it also feels like they've completely revamped the offense
and given him, given Kayleb Williams the best possible chance
to succeed early, right, Yeah, Jane Dams were like, well,
we'll see, right, there's a new regime there and and
(04:49):
we'll see kind of what that looks like.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Even with with Daniels though, And I'll tell you what,
if you're not a big football fan, good luck name
a Patriots wide receiver that Drake May or Jacoby Brissette
would have to throw to, at least in Washington. You're like, Okay,
Terry McLaurin, all right, there's you know, there's a viable
target you had Brian Robinson and Austin Eckler in the
backfield for them. Patriots did good Vermonde's romondre Stevens in
(05:15):
a big contract. The point being is dan Quinn's been
here before, dan Quinn's been to a super Bowl before,
even that transition. Trod Mayo's his first time as a
head coach and anything, and it just feels like the
Patriots are so far behind everybody else in terms of
trying to catch up that you wonder if it's good
or bad if Drake Mate gets too much action, because
I just don't think that there's a lot there for
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him to work with.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Well, at least the division is not difficult, that's right.
There's and there's not like there's good quarterbacks in that
division either, you know, so so they got that going
for them as well, you know. But this it does
feel like a little bit of a return to even
the pre parcels.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Patriots, right, That's that's what it feels like.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
It's that long ago that the Patriots has always been,
you know, put them down for ten twelve wins, and
now you're like, and then there's you don't even list
them in playoff possibility.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Isn't that part of the dilemma with Drake May, Like
you would feel like you have nothing to lose, but
and you want to get as much information as you
can early. And I think Patriot fans last night, the
Patriot fans that I saw on social media were loving
what they saw. I thought it was fine for what
Drake May did, and I think it was perfect. The
best pascity threw ended up being an incompletion. That was
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the one that we saw on social media ton last night.
You know, the touchdown run was whatever, and his short
yardage played. Nobody thought he was going to keep the
football and he ended up making it into the end zone.
But it's like Patriot fans are wanting to believe that
this is the answer. And that's the dilemma. Do you
play Drake May now with the limited supporting cast or
do you have Jacoby Brissett start and have Drake May
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take over. I think that's the better option if you
personally ask me, I don't think Drake May should start
week one.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
You can make it, that's the thing. What's the what's
the and starting week one? And look, I do like
that they hired Alex Van Peltzer offensive coordinator, right. I mean,
he's famously a guy who Aaron Rodgers loved working with him,
So I think Baker Mayfield really like working with him
as well. I mean, I just think that's a that's
a guy who really knows how to connect with quarterbacks.
(07:18):
But you're right, it's like, this is not a year,
it's not a make or break year. I'll just I'll
give you the the the me coaching kind of background. Right,
So when I'm I'm trying to figure out my roster
at Green Bay, and you know, it's a little different
because guys can leave.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
But I have a I have a player who.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Is coming in from Australia and the rest of my
players I got a chance to coach for eight weeks
in the summer, and he's young, he's committed to staying
like long term, I have other players at his position.
I think he's going to be really, really, really good.
But it's like, what is the I don't have to
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play him, what's the rush? Whereas there are other guys
where one they're more advanced or two it's kind of
part of the agreement, which is like, hey, we're gonna
We're gonna give you a shot.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Early.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
But with the Patriots, you have a guy under contract,
he's not going anywhere. That doesn't mean you sit him
and not play him. But they open up against the
Cincinnati Bengals on the road, then they play the Seahawks
at home, Then they go to the Jets, then they
go to the Niners.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Like, I don't know, do you want men? Eventually?
Speaker 3 (08:34):
You got to give him a shot, but do you
want to turn him? You want to let Nick Bosa
turn it loose and on the road in San Francisco.
I don't know if that's the best idea. It feels
like once you get to October, when they play the
Dolphins at home, the Texans at home, they go to
the Jaguars and the Jets at home, that's probably a
softer landing spot. Not because those teams stink, but because
those teams you're at home, and it just gives you
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a better guy, a better sense of a balance.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
I also think, and I just three minutes ago, said
Drake May is going to be compared to Kayleb Williams
and Jayde Daniels, which I completely agree with. But if
you take his situation to compare it to what Minnesota
had or now has because of the injury to JJ McCarthy.
There's more of a dilemma in Minnesota because people like
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you and others still believe in Sam Donald for as
much as you're taking JJ McCarthy number one, and he
is likely going to be your guy from Minnesota. If
he lights everything up and is absolutely amazing, it sets
Sam Donald's career back on track, but it also gives
Minnesota a decision. No offense to Jacoby Brissette. But we
know who Jacoby Brissett is. There's not going to be
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a resurgence in his career. He is who he is.
They brought him in for a reason, and there's no
threat there. There's no opportunity for there. So if you
brought Jacoby Presett in for that reason, then you brought
him in for that reason, you might as well use him.
It's not you didn't bring him in to be like
I think he can compete with Rake May. That doesn't
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make any sense. No, he was there to help Drake
May along, to move him along, to take the snaps
and play the games that Drake May isn't ready for,
and then when he is finally ready, he'll take over.
But that was the reason it's completely different from what
Minnesota is doing with their quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Can I give you maybe a little bit different way
of looking at it? Sure, you know, I understand how
we're all going to compare this quarterback class and the
rankings of this quarterback class and forever Sam Donald. Not
only is it's not just about Sam Darnald's about the
fact that Lamar Jackson was in that same class and
he's won a couple MVP's right. And the funny part
(10:36):
about Lamar Jackson was everyone passed on him in the
first round, including the Baltimore Ravens. Right, Like include Baltimore
Ravens didn't know something everybody else didn't, Right, they took him,
but they'd already taken a tight end in the first
round before they ultimately drafted Lamar Jackson. But the point
here is, like, we can be critical of him if
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he turns out to not be better, especially than JJ
McCarthy who was drafted behind him, But you cannot say, well,
they should have had Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Well, they couldn't get Jane.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
They weren't getting Jane, they weren't getting Caleb Williams, right,
those it's not a possibility. So it's a hard thing
sometimes for a fan to rationalize. But and this is
where they say the old what comparison is the thief
of joy. I understand, we're gonna if we could redraft,
if we could reorder. Okay, but the only team that
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could have picked any of the quarterbacks is the Bears.
The only team that could have taken any of the
quarterbacks outside of Kayleb Williams is the Commanders. And then
the Patriots selected the third what they thought was the
third best option. And that's the only fair way you
can look at it. And we are completely unfair as
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sports fans.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
We just are. That's reality to it.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
I agree with you completely except for one caveat. But
we saw in Hard Knocks offseason, New England had a
chance to trade down with the Giants like the Giants,
And so that's funny because I loved that show. Lard
Knocks offseason. I thought nine million times better than Bear's
training camp.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
I thought I thought they really nailed something there.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
I guess I just do.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
I agree.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
I thought that was you were like.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Oh, this is better than the one with JJ watt
on a tackling dummy. Yes, off in the side, pretending
like he's, you know, doing putting in this extra work
and he's Captain America, Like this is actually real, and
I've had by the way I was with I was
with the Bears at their facility. I talked to some
(12:38):
of their guys and they're like, did you watch the
Giants thing?
Speaker 2 (12:40):
I was like, yeah, that was awesome. Yeah, it's great.
That's the stuff that you're sitting around twenty years later
and you're like, well, you didn't know it. But the
Patriots actually got a call from the Giants the day
of the draft, or they didn't want to do the
deal and took Drake May and the rest was history.
Those are the stories. So I agree with everything he said,
but for Patriots fan, if it doesn't work out, can
(13:01):
always say, well, see, you should have done that deal
with the Giants. Could have stuck him with New York.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
You know.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
The other interesting part about the Patriots is and we're
seeing you know, the Dolphins are an example of it.
You know, the Bills went through it forever after. You know,
when you lose a legendary quarterback. What's happened in Green
Bay is one of one. There is no franchise in
professional sports or in professional football that's gone from Hall
(13:31):
of Famer to Hall of Famer to now what they
feel like is franchise quarterback. It just hasn't happened. You know,
John Elway retires in Denver. Go through the names, obviously, Miami.
I think a big reason they overpaid to a tongue
of Iloa was it's been thirty years or so, maybe
even more since Dan the Man, right, and you're like,
(13:54):
we haven't had anybody that we really thought was our guy,
that we could build around, that we could keep, that
was good enough. So let's just hold onto this one
grasp on this hell that's part of the Bears thing.
It's like the Bears have never really had a guy.
I mean, everybody loved Jim McMahon, but let's not act
like Jim McMahon was one of the five best quarterbacks
in the NFL. Even when they won the Super Bowl,
they were a defensive oriented team and they had Walter
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Payton and you know, every once in a while they
would chuck it up deep to Willie galt So And
I'm not like defaming Jim McMahon. He was more of
a personality than he was. He wasn't at that time
Remember that's Marino in Montana.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
That's what he was.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
So I do, like, if you're New England, you got
to just sit here and gore, like, look, we don't
necessarily need the next Tom Brady, the next Tom Brady
like that that's an ultimate outlier. But man, if we
can just get somebody who's good, who's solid, right, good dude,
solid dude gets for the football, accountable, good leader right
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like this is because these next three years, maybe even four,
when he's under a rookie deal, that's what you can
truly rebuild a franchise. If you can get away with
not spending any money in the quarterback room and then
sp spending all the money and you had draft smartly
all around. That's got to be the process. But it's
fascinating to watch. You know, so many of these teams
(15:15):
have searched for years. The Packers obviously are the opposite
of it. And when or how long it takes New
England to find just a multi year starter, just a
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Colin Kaepernick recently told Sky Sports that he still wants
to play in the NFL. Earlier this week, New LA
Chargers coach Jim Harball wants his former quarterback in the NFL,
but as a member of his coaching staff and not
so much as a player. He said he spoken to
him multiple times. I love Colin, but he's not going
to be on the coaching staff which is set for
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this year, and he's not going to be playing on
the roster either, right, what's your read into that quote,
Dan Byer.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Well, my read into it is it originally was Kaepernick
was going to be a coach, and Harball also revealed
that he had spoken to him over the past couple
of years when he was at Michigan about being a
coach and so on the surface, and there's a lot more.
But on the Harbaugh point of view, I believe that
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Jim Harbaugh does not think Colin Kaepernick is a player
in the NFL anymore. And I think from the Jim
Harball point of view of different opinions with Kaepernick, but
on the Jim Harbaugh point of view, I think that's
what he is telling us, and that's my takeaway from it.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
My takeaway is that, but my takeaways a little bit
more advanced, so as as many of you know, and
I think what mine's just basic?
Speaker 4 (18:10):
No, no, no, no, it's just just slightly different.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Okay, So just I'll just reintroduce myself because you know,
we're told like never assume in sports radio. Right, So
I've been doing sports radio sports television for twenty one
years and three months ago was named head coach at
Wisconsin Green Bay. Obviously, even before my press conference had that,
I had to sit down here on the Dan Patrick
(18:33):
Show with Dan and one of the things that I
tell players in recruiting, and I mean it is you
come play for me, especially if you come play for
me this year. That's special because I don't have a
track record. I don't have, you know, John Caliperry, I
can't say I put this guy in the NBA, this
guy in the NBA, this guy in the.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
It's an act of faith.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
But I believe the college football in college basketball coaches
job and it's a really always been this way, but
it's harder now with the transfer portal. When guy's moving
is you got to take care of your guys. The
reason you stick it out is because when you do,
you have a football family that takes care of you.
That's that's how it works in college sports. That's your family.
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And one of the things that people don't understand when
they switch schools is you're out of the family, right
and then the new family you go to. Some of
these guys are only there for you know, six nine months.
You're not really in that family, so you're familyless, and
they're like, why does that matter? Well, when you need
a job and you played college sports, the first person
you should be able to call is your coach, right,
(19:39):
your coach, because those guys can pick up the phone
and get you job or give you some direction. They
are literally a second and sometimes first father for many people.
I think Jim Harbaugh takes that very very seriously, and
it strikes me as Colin Kaepernick is that guy, and
I'm gonna have that guy. I My dad had those,
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my brother's coach for twenty eight years. He has those
guys that you really want to help, Like, I just
want to help this dude, and he doesn't know how
to truly accept the help. He's not surrendered to the
realities of a situation. And here's where I bring it up.
If you remember, his shot of getting back in the
NFL was ruined by his girlfriend, right because he was
(20:21):
gonna sign and remember with the Ravens. I signed with
the Races before they got Lamar Jackson. We're gonna sign
with the Ravens. And then his girlfriend and I don't
know if they're still together. I'm sorry, I don't follow this,
but she's a I think radio host in New York City.
She put out a she put out a meme of
Django unchained, like you know, the slave owner Jango Unchained
and compared it to you, Steve Bushatti, who's the owner
(20:44):
of the Ravens. Right, So, like you're the owner of
the Ravens and you're called a slave owner by a
guy who doesn't have a job in the NFL, Like thanks,
but no thanks, right, And that's that's Jim telling John
take care of my guy. Plus, remember his offensive coordinator
who's now out with the Chargers, was the offensive coordinator
the Niners, was the offensive cordineer of the Ravens. You
(21:07):
know you go back that as well, right, So it's
all football family, and we try to take care of you,
and then your girlfriend has this meme and Steve A.
Schi's like, I'm not doing it. Sorry, I'm not going
to be called No one wants to be called a
slave owner when you're the owner of an NFL football team, Like, sorry,
not not doing it. And so you fast forward to
now he's not an NFL player, and I'm sure Jim
(21:30):
called him up and he's like, hey, why don't you
come just come to camp, work with Herbert. You know
this offense, you played in, this offense, You're awesome in
this offense. Just teach it to justin Herbert. You know,
see if you want to do the coaching thing, see
how that feels to you. And I'm guessing and more
than a guess that Kaepernick's like, I still want to play.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
Like, yeah, we're not doing that. We're not doing that.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
And a big reason that guys have never given Kaepernick
a shot is not because they didn't want to give
him a shot. It's because if you cut him, are
you cutting him because of his political beliefs? Are you
cutting him because of his race?
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Right?
Speaker 4 (22:11):
No one wants to be called a racist.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
No one wants You don't want to cut a guy
like it's a third string, fourth string, fifth quarterback, whatever.
But Kaepernick strikes me as a guy that here his
football family is trying to take care of him and
give him an opportunity to get back in the league
in an offense that he knows just learn to be
a coach. He probably still wants to play, and he
hasn't given up the pipe dream. He's just not dealing
with reality. And when you read that, that strikes me
(22:36):
as Jim Harbaugh going like, he's not get me a
player and you don't want to coach.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Sure, I think that's a reasonable assessment. The actually, the
part that I would only vary for you is just
right at the absolute end is I don't know if
Colin Kaepernick wants to be a player, but I think
that it helps Colin Kaepernick for him to say that
he wants to be a player, like he is in
the spot right now where if you were to cross
that line to be a coach, you are also giving
(23:05):
in to an organization that you sued and that you
had fought for years, Like, I don't know how you
can reasonably think that you can play again in the NFL.
And we just had Mark dominic Gon and he quickly answered,
no way to your point, Doug, he hasn't played great
football now over a decade, hasn't played in an NFL
game since the twenty sixteen season, is going to turn
(23:27):
thirty seven coming up later this year, and still thinks
that he has an opportunity and that is waiting for
his chance to play, which, by the way, if it
were to happen in twenty twenty four, probably would have
happened about a month or two ago when teams were
still didn't open training camps and we're looking for guys
to bring in. So it's just to me, it's not
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based in reality.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
I understand. But you're thinking he's basing these things in reality.
He's not.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
And some of it is all athletes are like that.
This is it's a really really hard one for most
most athletes. It's hard to say you can't still do it.
I mean, how many times Terarrell Owens Like, I'm gonna
see Terrell Owens tonight at an event? Right There's there's
an event the Pump Brothers host. It's for it raises
(24:17):
money for their cancer center in in Northridge, California, And
I get a chance to m see it. It's it's
an amazing who's who, amazing who's who. And you see
anytime you run into Terrell Owens and you talk NFL,
he will tell you stone cold. And obviously he was
a much better player than Colin Kaepernick. I'm not comparing
the two. But the point is that it's been about
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the same length of time with t O okay, and
he's still convinced he can still play. Most guy there's
there's not most guys. I would say there's probably like
a probably twenty five to thirty percent of former players
even three four years after it, Like, I guess still
do it.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
I get that. But when Colin Kaepernick spoke to Sky Sports,
he says, I, I'm training, I want to get that opportunity.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
Yeah, he still thinks he could do it.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Dan No, But but the last line that he says,
just waiting for an owner to give me that chance. Yeah,
but I don't. That's where I think that the issue lies.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
I know he's crazy, That's That's what I'm getting to.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
And when I say crazy, I mean he has a
completely tilted view of the world, Okay, because he thinks
and I actually I would understand this if they were
so vindictive you know that they didn't want to have
him in the NFL because he likened the NFL draft
to slave trade, which is obscenely offensive and completely off
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the rails.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
But that's not the point.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
The point is that if he could win football games,
he would be a quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
Let's let's let's let's get to brass test sure, DeShawn Watson.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Deshaun Watson was accused of some sort of sexual improprieties
of forty women. Forty He signed the largest guaranteed contract
in the history of the National Football League. Why because
the Cleveland Brown thought he could win football games and
they haven't had a good quarterback in forever.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
That's the reality of it. That just is. It's the
whole nonsense of you know, did.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
What's his name with who's now the running back coach
or the offensive coordinator of Eric Vienemy. It's like the
whole Eric Vienemy thing, Like Eric Enemy didn't get a job,
not get a job because he's black and didn't get
a job because nobody thought he couldn't get along with people.
You have to be a united as a head coach.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
He was.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
He didn't do well in interviews because he didn't dive
in to all the nuances of running a program. NFL
owners want one thing. There is one agenda in professional sports,
only one winning. I mean, look at the Kansa City Chiefs, right,
they have a wide receiver. They have video of him
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leaving the scene of a hit and run, video of him.
It's like, wow, let the legal process take No, they
need a white receiver. I think it's not that hard.
They need a wide receiver. He's under contract. Play him
until somebody says you can't play him. I wish it
was about something else.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
It's not.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Colin Kaepernick was good for like a year and a half.
He's basically Scott Mitchell. Let's just catch the brass tacks. Okay,
he lost his job because he wasn't that good. That's
it now. The other stuff made it to he can't
ever be a backup quarterback because he never want to
be a backup quarterback, because a backup quarterback is about
somebody else.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Here's the issue, though, Doug. Is Colin Kaepernick going to
be known as a former quarterback in the NFL? Or
is he going to be known as a civil rights activist.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
He'll be known as a civil rights.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
He absolutely, and that's where his that's where he is
right now. That is where Colin Kaepernick is. Colin Kaepernick
and understand lost the line.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
I understand, but you're you're a.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Finish please, because it's the fact of if Colin Kaepernick
takes a coaching job, which he may want to do,
he's giving into the again the league that he sued.
He is more powerful saying I am still the victim here.
I am not allowed in the league. Owners are not
allowing me to play in the league. Well, now they're
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not letting him play in the league because nobody wants
a thirty seven year old quarterback that hasn't been in
the NFL for eight years. But it's not beneficial for
Colin Kaeperdick to say that. It's beneficial for Colin Kaeperdick
to say that I'm still not allowed in the league.
I think that he was blackballed in terms of I
don't think that he was given the opportunity that other
quarterbacks of his talent at that time, whether he was
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good or bad, for at least to try it. You
bring up the Ravens point, I think it's well put that.
Then all of a sudden, the Raven's like, well, we're
not going to risk this. This doesn't benefit us at all.
So he moves on. But this is now eight years
of this going on, and I think that for Colin
Kaeperdick to sit there and say, hey, I'm still trying,
I'm still trying for that opportunity, he's saying that because
he needs to be pitted against the NFL, and if
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he joins the NFL, he loses the identity of being
that civil rights activist that he's the most powerful and
probably has done the most damaged, not the most damaged,
but has done the most effect on the world. That's
where I think Colin Kaepernick has done. He's made the
effect as a social activist, and he's done a lot
of great things. But if you cross that line and
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it's not about you, it's about them, then it's about you,
it's not about them, it changes who he is.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
I think the way you're looking at it is super reasonable.
I think Colin Kaepernick has not been reasonable for a
long time.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
And can go back.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
You remember the first team that he went and visited, Okay,
first hawks was the Seahawks, right, And you remember what
Pete Carroll said when he left his visit.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
In the Seahawks. He's a starter that yeah, listen, he's
a starter.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
And that how that translates is because all those guys
have to measure their words is we brought him in
and we like, man, we love you, we want you
to be a backup to Russell, and he's like, I
want to be a starter. Yep, okay, had nothing to
do with being blackballed. This dude does it. He's never
known who he actually is as a football player. And
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most the guys that stick, the guys that last. The
guy's like, why is Chase Daniel right? Chase Daniel covers
the NFL? Why did he last as long as he
lasts the NFL? Because he knew at some point he
knew who he was. Hey, I'm just here to get
that other guy ready. It's not about me, it's about
the team. I'll make a couple million dollars and I
just Josh McCown is like was considered like the greatest
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backup ever.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
I just come in maybe once a year. Hopefully you
do it.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Tim Hasselbeck transition to that role, it's a really hard
role to transition. Zoby Brissett's doing it correct and everybody says, like, oh,
greatest job in the world. It is, but you got
to sacrifice your ego and he's never been able to
do that. So you're you're absolutely right on a multitude
of levels. But again, you're looking at this like, and
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I don't want to say he's insane because that's unfair.
I'm not making a clinical diagnosis on it. But you're
looking at this as a reasonable, rational, rational person, and
I think he's been completely irrational throughout so many of
these stages. And I think that's what I heard from
from Harball, which is like, Hey, I wanted to get
him here. Greg Roban's ThEC he'd got to he'd be
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a perfect fit here to just be a coach and
learn and get him back to football. And he wants
to be a player that ain't happen and he doesn't
want to be a coach that ain't happening either.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
That then begs a question that actually Jason Stewart brought up,
was basically, why is Harbaugh doing this?
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Because that's what you're like, going back to what I
said originally, that's what you're supposed to do as a coach.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
Got to take care of your guys.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Okay, but doesn't he put Kaepernick in a bad light,
like if this is coming out publicly, Like, isn't this
putt In Colin Kaepernick in a bad light to say,
like he doesn't want to like none of this. We
just found out that he had been talking to him
while he was at Michigan. You know, the last couple of.
Speaker 7 (31:55):
Years totally undermines Kaepernick's agenda. Or harbought to say, I
offered him an assistant coaching job and he didn't return
the call. It undermines the agenda because Kaepernick can't be
a victim and he can't improve his cause in the
world as an assistant coach. Every time he's tried to
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come back as a player. You mentioned the Seahawks tryout,
he sabotaged that. Yeah, remember the NFL tryout? Or he
changed the venue last minute, he sabotaged that. Remember that
letter to the Jets GM and then he leaked the
letter asking if he could be on the practice squad.
That practice with Mark Davis a couple of years ago
was sabotaged by Kaepernick. I don't think his need to
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play in the NFL is genuine. I think it's good
for business to be consistently trying to get in the
NFL and not let in.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
This good stuff. Who knew that?
Speaker 3 (32:52):
At ten nineteen on the East coast, seven nineteen on
the West coast on August sixteen, twenty twenty four, we'd
have fifteen really good minutes of Colin Kaepernick talk. But
that was the excellent work. I do think to answer
your question again, why would he do it? I think
it's Jim Harbaugh saying, I'm always going to fight for
my guys always because people want to. That's a big
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thing in recruiting. That's a big thing in coaching. That's
I'm always going to fight for my guys, just like
he did with J. J. McCarthy saying, you know, he's
the best quarterback in the clack, the best quarterback class,
Like nob me thinks that. But you always always fight
for your guys.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
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Speaker 4 (33:37):
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Speaker 3 (33:42):
So there's a video out there, uh, Dan byer, I
don't know if you've seen it, where Tom Brady is
on a boat and he's throwing past the people on
jet skis, and he turns to the camera and says,
I just want to make sure all these young bucks
in the NFL know if I, if I still wanted
to come out of retirement, they still got something to
deal with. Brady said, which, by the way, most all
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of these questions, lots of NFL NBA players say the
exact same thing. But what if, right, yes, it's the
it's the gigantic.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
What if When you read the comments in print, you're like, wait,
what is he talking about? And then later on he
said that he's had zero passing days this offseason, so
by no means is he ready, and now he's forty
seven years old. But I kind of started going through
some of the NFL and being like, all right, if
they could take Brady right now in their current situation,
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how many would And more more often than not, Doug,
I thought I would maybe get one per division, but
it was more like one or two. When you're really
like looking at it and you're saying, all right, AFC East,
who he just talked about, would New England take him back? Absolutely?
I don't think there's any question in.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
A harp but he would he would never go there.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
No, never go there. No, don't. I don't think so either.
But would the Dolphins take him? Yeah, yeah, I agree.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
I mean like, look, if I'm the Dolphins, I would
rather have him than Tua right now.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Well, that's and I think that there are people who
believe that as well. It also are on that same
page with you. Pittsburgh rather have Brady than Fields and Wilson. Yeah, absolutely,
Will Levis or Tom Brady and Tennessee for this season
Tom Brady. Yeah, Tom Brady absolutely go to the AFC
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West Broncos and Raiders.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
You know what he has.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
I'm gonna use the word that that the kids are
using today. I love having teenage kids, and now I
have two, one that's in college, one that's going to
college next week.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
You ever heard they use the word aura, right, Yes,
they have aura.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
He just does. It's like a real thing. Like even
if he can't throw a football on him what which
he can. I'm sure he can't at the velocity and
the accuracy and the consistency of which he did, you.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
Know earlier's career. That's that's normal.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
It's natural. It's actually natural aging process. Even though he
seems to not age.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
He does.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
He's got that Benjamin Button thing going. But he does
have aura, and you know whether or not he'd actually
be good, he make you believe that here you can
be good.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Yeah. There are a lot of spots in the NFL
that you would think, all right, he's not gonna go.
But when you really look at it and break it down,
there's probably at least one team of division that you're like, yeah,
they'd probably have Brady, And then in some cases it's two.
It's it's crazy. And when he said you know what
he's got, I went on the way back machine to
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Seinfeld and to Moxie. I thought you were gonna say
Moxie Yet Maxie, I don't know if that's that's the
same as aura as the kids these days are saying.
But he also has it. I think that we all understand.
And he also has seven Super Bowl rings.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
I don't know if he has them. The Maxie is like.
The one thing about guys when they get older is
they know. None of those guys like to be hit.
None of them go like, man, I can't wait to
come back in the NFL and get a year hold, right,
but to step in there staying there like they have
a tendency to dirt it and get rid of it quicker. Yeah,
But I it's the it's the the leadership component and
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the I read this story where there was an empty
locker next to him in Tampa and players would just
bring stuff in every day and just leave it there
and just every day it's there and just sign sign sign,
sign signed. So it's like, you know, when you're a
player who guys in the NFL literally grew up watching
you win Soup Bowls, It's it's a it's a different,
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different deal. Mark Dominic joins us here on the Dan
Patrick Show Fox Sports Radio with Dan Byrum, Doug Gottlieb,
and Mark of course, former general manager of the Tampay Buccaneers,
spent his lifetime in the National Football League. Were talk
about Drake May and Jacoby Brissett, and what I was
talking about earlier is like, look, you can compare him
to Jade Daniels, you can compare them to Kayleb Williams.
But the Patriots didn't have the chance to draft either
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of those two quarterbacks. So you've been in these situations before.
What's the They're not great expectations of New England they're
a difficult division. You got first year head coach, you're
rebuilding the roster. What's the thought behind when you start him?
Because you're going to start him, But when do you
start Drake May?
Speaker 8 (38:18):
Yeah, you know, I think it's an inchie question in
my personal opinion. You start the probably around week three
or four. You let Jacoby Brissett, you know, take the
lumps early in the season. Let Drake May see what
the difference is between week one of the preseason and
week one of the regular season and how everything gets
ramped up, what a week looks like from a preparation standpoint,
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and unless Kacoby Brissette goes out there and just lights
it up, you make the transition around week three and four.
And the reason why, Doug Vanas I see it as this,
You're going to need fans to get behind Drake May,
and then right now I don't think they are fully
behind him. And so if Kacoby Brissett struggles, the fans
will be like, well, let's at least play Drake May,
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and they're gonna be.
Speaker 5 (38:59):
More for into it.
Speaker 8 (39:00):
So Drake made number one is going to get to
the field a little slow to see how to get
prepared a number two. He might get the New England
crowd saying, hey, look he's a rookie, he's struggling. Let's
see what he can do, you know, be patient with
him instead of throwing him out their week one and
it's like this guy the bumb he's no good, he
can't get it done. So I think that's what you're thinking.
But I think the Patriots, in my opinion, made their
first rookie mistake last week, and it's a rookie head
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coach to rookie gm Drake May should have played a
lot more last week and should have played a lot
lot more, and then this week he obviously was out
there for a while, but there's no reason for Bailey's
appy to be getting reps right now. Those should be
all Drake May's.
Speaker 4 (39:37):
Okay, what did you think of Drake made the prospect?
Speaker 8 (39:42):
I didn't like him. I'm not going to sit here
and say I didn't like him. I had for me,
I was Jaden Daniels one, and then I was you know,
obviously the Bears with you know, Caleb was number two,
and then I had Drake three, I had Pennix four,
and I had just lost. I'll think of it out
j M five and then I had bo Nicks six,
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so I had Drake May three, and I thought that
the arm strength, the arm talent, I thought the athleticism
was really good.
Speaker 5 (40:09):
So I thought that.
Speaker 8 (40:10):
Was certainly potential. And as you guys said, you know,
it wasn't like New England had the choice of the
first two. I think that was pretty much written in stone.
But I think it's here. Uh you know, who knows
when it's all said and done, you know which guy's
going to be the best, which guy's going to be
a bust. We all know that they're all not going
to be stars. But uh, you know, it's just a
it's a frustrating spot because when you look at the Patriots,
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a place that people used to want to go so
they could at least get a championship even though they
didn't enjoy playing there. Now the Patriots have kind of
become the Detroit Lions, like no one really wants to go,
which is amazing.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
Yeah, it really is.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
What do you think of Alex van Pelt in terms
of development? And I bring it up because I think
the fan looks at just the player and expects the
player to perform and then you know, those of us
in sports media we sit there and go like, well,
he doesn't have any wide receivers to throw to, you know.
But I believe that a good portion of a guy's
development is who you surround him and who you support
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him with the other quarter of the veteran quarterback right,
as well as who his offensive coordinat quarterback coach is.
How does Alex van Pelt feel to you fitting with Drake.
Speaker 8 (41:15):
May I think it should be a good fit because
he's worked with more of this type the size of
quarterback you know, where you know, Jane Daniels steels perfect
for Cliff Piningsbury because that's kind of the skill set
he loves. And I think for Van Pelt, Draig May
and I think that's what drew the Patriots to Drake
may Is. I think Alex van Pelt works with you know,
a bigger bodied, you know, pocket you know, certainly an athlete,
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but a pocket thrower. And I think that's why that
made sense to me. I've been on staffs with Alex
van Pelt. I think he's a very smart coach. I
saw him. I actually started my career with the Chiefs
when he was a backup in Kansas City under coach
Schottenheimer and Paul Hackett, and Mike McCarthy was there as
a as a quality control coach. So he's been around
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a lot of football for a long time. I think
he's very smart. I think he's very relatable. I think
those are all good things. I think it's more of
what you're saying. I think it's this team's been rebuilding
now for you know, four years, and if they really
still don't have a great offensive line, they don't have
a great wide receiver room, even though I think Polk
is going to be a good player, the running back
is a good player, but defensive cordiators don't go, oh boy,
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what are we going to do this week? And so
I think the problem is the Patriots just don't have
a great roster, and it just got worse by trading
away Matt Judon. So I think that this is just
a team that's, you know, kind of set to struggle,
and I think it's very pressure for an organization that's
so used to twenty years of just rolling out of
bed and being a champion.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
I think we all feel bad for JJ McCarthy in
losing this season, But how does Minnesota handle it And
is it as bad as maybe it would read on
the surface.
Speaker 8 (42:47):
Yeah, you know, it's certainly disappointing. You know, the odds
of him coming back are very slim. You still can
hold out a little hope, but the reality is you
want to make sure he's going to fully heal. You know,
they've been very positive aout Sam Donald. We will see
what Sam Donald can do in the system. You know,
it's very positive to see what JJ did in his opportunity.
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That was very encouraging in terms of pushing the ball
down the field and making good decisions for the most part.
So it's it's certainly a blow to this team. I
don't feel like Sam Donald's gonna, you know, come in
and pull the Kurt Warner and Trent Green goes down
and Kurt Warner comes in and while we've got a championship,
I think he's really crushes Minnesota in the short term.
But you know, it's one year. You know, it's it's
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certainly a hard thing to have to deal with the
watcher quarterback not play. And that's why every day after
practice I went and save the athletic trainer and not
the head coach to see who's healthy and who's not.
But you know, I don't have anything good to say
because this is such a frustrating injury from a young player,
and that just shows you why NFL owners continue in
every CBA to fight against guaranteed contracts because things.
Speaker 5 (43:52):
Like this happened.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
Okay, hear me out. Could it be good for Sam
Donald that he doesn't have to worry about JJ McCarthy
looking over his shoulder?
Speaker 8 (44:00):
Yeah, I mean I think I think Sam Donald knows
JJ was going to look over shoulder. Do I think
Sam's going to play that much better? I think it's
kind of what you guys just talked about with Alek
Sam Pel. This is a really nice system and it's
a good system, and so I think Sam Donald's probably
excited about just being in the system and now saying
I am the starter and not.
Speaker 5 (44:17):
Having to think about it. So you have to actually
put that.
Speaker 8 (44:20):
Into the mindset that Sam realizes this is his last
golden ticket and if he doesn't cash it in, he's
going to become a forever backup or however long he
wants to play. And so yeah, I guess I would
say from a mental standpoint, if you know you're the starter.
Speaker 5 (44:33):
You know, you're the.
Speaker 8 (44:33):
Guy and it's your season to see what you can
do as a quarterback in the National FOOTBA.
Speaker 3 (44:38):
Leagueah okay, and look, I've and you know on my
show you join us and I don't. I don't know
if we've discussed this, but Dan and I've talked a
bunch about this. I'm still a holder of stockholder And
Sam Donald, you.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
Actually tried to convince Mark last season that he should
play over party. I remember that vaguely.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
I did, I did you know? And I just did again.
I'm just a buyer, and I do you understand that?
And I think one of the things that happens, and
I've known it happens as a player and as a broadcaster,
but now as a coach as well as like there
does come a point where guys are so beaten down
mentally they lose that confidence, they lose that swagger. It's
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not sometimes even about the talent, even though they have, uh,
they have all the weaponry at their disposal, and he
has all the experience in the world, but just the
years have.
Speaker 4 (45:26):
Worn out, worn out, worn him out.
Speaker 3 (45:29):
But I guess that's my question. You I he has
a quarterback as his head coach. He has a system.
This is not his first year in the system. He
was in the same system in San Francisco last year.
He's got two really good wide receivers and with Aaron Jones,
he's got a talented, uh two way running back as well.
Speaker 4 (45:46):
Like, this is a pretty good setup. Do you think
he even has it in him?
Speaker 5 (45:51):
You know what? I think what you brought up with it?
Speaker 8 (45:53):
You know, obviously Kevin O'Connell's offense, and to your point,
being with Shanahan last year, uh, being very comfortable and
fluid to just jump into Minnesota and feel very because
all those reps he took.
Speaker 5 (46:05):
Yeah, he didn't get to throw the ball.
Speaker 8 (46:06):
A ton during the regular season last year, but he
took a ton of reps in practice and now he's
had an whole entire offseason to say, I already know
the play call, I know this book. It should give
him every chance is you're gonna find out right, it's
going to be like we're because I do think the
roster offensively, you know, once they get Hockinson back is
really really good, you know, and hopefully Addison, you know,
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is gets everything on track, not just off in the field,
but off the field. He needs to get everything together.
But you know, they have two good receivers, they have
an elite tight end obviously, and they've got the running
game that you talked about. It should be there. I
think the offensive line is good too, and so the
whole piece should be there. Offensively, they should be good
enough to show. Is Sam Donald a guy that can
you know, two or three x interceptions to touchdowns? Can
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he actually do that in his in his game? And
being does he throws thirty touchdowns but you know, only
ten interceptions? Can Sam Donald be that kind of guy?
That's what we all have to see because the reality
is up to this point, it doesn't. I just keep
saying he's good, he's quality, solid, but he's just never
thrown for twenty touchdowns in his life and he's got
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way too many interceptions in his career, and so I've
just never seen it. But I think, like I said,
this is his you know, Willie Wonk and the chocolate factory,
and this is his golden ticket. He's got to catch
it in I'm not as optimistic.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
What does Russell Wilson have to do this weekend if
you're a Steeler fan?
Speaker 5 (47:28):
Nothing?
Speaker 8 (47:29):
Meaning, Like I'm not expecting much and don't need anything
from He's the starting quarterback of this team. I just
wanted to be helping, you know, so he can go
out there and have a driver to whatever coach Tomlins
and omar Con what they decide to do with how
they want to play him. But it's more about getting
through the game and being healthy. I think that's the
most important thing because he's a Steelers quarterback who's a.
Speaker 3 (47:50):
Team who everybody in the league is talking about, but
we're not talking about, like right, we get caught up
in the it's like Sugar, you know, like the Cowboys
and their drama is like Sugar and the son Reddick
And this kind of weird situation is kind of like Sugar.
Who's the team that people in the NFL are talking about?
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And you've been doing this so long, like you know
it's really good?
Speaker 1 (48:14):
Is well?
Speaker 8 (48:16):
You know, I think we there's no I don't think
there's a Houston dark horse team that's just gonna surprise
you and come out out.
Speaker 5 (48:22):
Of the woodwork like we saw last year. I don't
feel like that's that.
Speaker 4 (48:25):
But there is every but there is every year.
Speaker 8 (48:28):
Yeah, But I don't think there's gonna be in my
personal opinion, like, I don't see the Carolina Panthers making
some enormous run. I don't think Jacksonville is something they're
going to go to fourteen and three or thirteen and four.
You know, And when you look at the other teams around.
Speaker 5 (48:42):
The league, I would say this, if you had.
Speaker 8 (48:45):
To pick one team that you know, there's a lot
of momentum behind and I think what just happened in
Minnesota helped it. We all think the Packers are interesting.
It's just such a young team. It's going to be
fun to watch what they can do. And there's you
know with d'antavian Wis, continue to develop, what the other
receivers they have, the young tight ends. It's just a
team that everybody's gonna, like want to hitch the wagon too.
I think the league's looking at like I wish I
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had that problem. I know the Patriots look at it
and go, I.
Speaker 5 (49:07):
Wish I had that.
Speaker 8 (49:08):
You know, those that skill set of guys. I don't
think that's a big surprise. Maybe the whisper team could
be the Arizona Cardinals that people just don't even care.
If people have written off Kyler Murray, I don't think
they understand the impact that we're going to see with
Marvin Harrison Junior. I think Trey McBride is an elite
tight end that people don't realize quite yet either. I
would say Arizona might be that team that's like, wow,
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I did not see that coming.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
Would you give Colin Kaepernick a workout at this point
in his career?
Speaker 8 (49:34):
No, not anymore. It's just it's been so long. It
has nothing to do with anything other than it's just
been so long. And he can pick up a football
and all those things. But I mean we're what is
it five six years now since he's played in the
National Football at sixteen?
Speaker 4 (49:49):
Was the last twenty thirteen was the last time he
was good?
Speaker 5 (49:51):
I mean twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
Yeah, twenty sixteen was when he played Dougsast twenty thirteen
when he was good.
Speaker 5 (49:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (49:57):
No, I mean no, you know, I know, while we
was talking about, you know, not even on the coaching staff,
So I mean, you know, that train is run. He
can sit there and say I'd like to play or
things like that, but the reality is, you know, it's
just been too too long. You know, his body can
be in football or decent shape, but it's not going
to be ready for the pounding of the National.
Speaker 5 (50:15):
Football League because he hasn't been able to be hit forever. Well.
Speaker 3 (50:18):
The other part too, it is like even the coaching
staff thing like if you're not there in training camp,
like and you know, and somebody offers you a job
and you don't immediately say I want to come, like,
then what are we doing here? Like it's not really it,
it's not really a discussion. So so anyway, Mark, have
a great weekend. Can't wait to have your insight on
my show. He's Mark Dominic, a long time front office
(50:39):
scout of course, former gentlemenagers of the Tampay Buccaneers, joining
us on the Dan Patrick Show.
Speaker 2 (50:42):
You're the best.
Speaker 4 (50:43):
Appreciates join us, Thanks for
Speaker 8 (50:44):
Having me only guys, Joy the weekend, Joy the games.
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
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Speaker 3 (00:05):
Dan Patrick Show, Fox Sports Radio live from Well it's
still dark in sunny southern California, along with Dan Byer Doug.
Speaker 4 (00:17):
Good morning to you, Dan.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
It's Dan Patrick Show, Fox Sports Radio. You chose to
sit in your studio? Did I Did I say something?
Did I do something?
Speaker 4 (00:26):
I just igat? I'm not like you're cool with it
with doing it.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
It's really our new studios here at Fox Sports Radio.
I can look at you as opposed to the old studio.
I couldn't see you. But we've done this where you
sat here and they sat there. I just didn't know
it was if I said something.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
We've done that at Super Bowls. We've sat next to
each other. We've done it two time zones away. But
there are also things that I do need to do
in here when maybe you and I aren't chatting.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Fair enough, fair enough, fair enough. It's it's doing work, okay.
So we got a lot of stuff to talk about.
Mark Dominic is going to join us upcoming in twenty
five minute. Mark's former gentlemanager of the Tampay Buccaneers. He's
basically spend an entire professional life in the NFL, and
we'll get his thoughts on I think the question of
the day, and it's like a it's a question we
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have just about every year. Is you draft a quarterback?
When do you give him that opportunity? When do you
give them that opportunity? And for everybody but the Atlanta Falcons,
right that opportunity you feel like is going to come,
and especially the first round draft picks, that that opportunity
is going to come sometime during their first season. And
last night, if you watched Drake May against the Philadelphia Eagles,
(01:35):
you're like, hey, this might work, right, And of course
they have Jacoby Brissett and who former Patriot coming back
to the Patriots, who we know is just solid.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Seems like a stud dude.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
You know, I remember remember that game he started gosh
how many years ago was it where when he was
a rookie where they just they kind of ran an option.
They know, it was like it was an all time
bellow check wind.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Garoppolo was supposed to fill in for Brady, but then
Garoppolo got hurt.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Wait, Jimmy Garoppolo got hurt. That never surprise. That was
during the four game suspension for Brady, right, yes, and
then that was actually probably your first question about Garoppolo,
who actually didn't fare that poorly when he was playing.
But you're like, wow, if Jacoby Brissett can put something together,
maybe it is just Belichick. That one was just Belichick.
(02:25):
They were running option, they were doing all kinds, all
kinds of trickery. I want to say again, and this
is just off top of head. Was that against the Texans.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
I feel like the Texans always go up there. I
remember Textan you have been. I remember the Texans also
another Texan game when they went up there with the
letter jackets that did not end well.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
That was a home game. That was because it was
like Letterman's Day. Yeah, that didn't that didn't work. Those
I don't know if those even made a return.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
No, no, I thought that they There was never another letter.
It was just just just that one. So I yeah,
I mean again, I don't want to get caught up
in Patriot talked for the most part, but it was
interesting last night to watch him because you know, the
reports were eh eh, and then you watch him play
(03:11):
last night, and maybe some of it was a comparison
to Drake to Jacoby Brissett, who was inaccurate, but some
of it was.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Yeah, it looks like you might be able to play.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
It's funny because Drake May is going to be included
in the twenty twenty four quarterback class. But there's a
subclass to this too, Doug, where you're in the one,
two three, that's who you're lined up with. So it's
not even necessarily being compared with Michael PENNOCKX you alluded to,
is not going to see the field this year unless
there's an injury to Kirk Cousins. We know now no, well,
(03:40):
we now know JJ McCarthy is not going to see
the field this year for the Minnesota Vikings because of
his knee injury. But still, I don't know how those
two would have been compared when you go one, two
three in a draft, and by far, the New England
Patriots are the worst team suited of those three picks,
those three teams that picked in the top three in
the nif FELL Draft this past spring, Caleb Williams and
(04:02):
Jade and Daniels have a much better opportunity to succeed
than Drake May does in New England. So there's a
lot with it in terms of do you throw him
in there? To that point, I mean, Caleb Williams looked great.
There's just when you're looking at these quarterbacks and we
look back at history, there's gonna be this subset where
we're going to rank was it Williams, was that Daniels,
(04:24):
was it May? And who was better? And that's what
Trake Bay's gonna have to deal with.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Yeah, and and you you also have to credit the
Chicago Bears, who it's it's one thing to draft a quarterback,
but it also feels like they've completely revamped the offense
and given him, given Kayleb Williams the best possible chance
to succeed early, right, Yeah, Jane Dams were like, well,
we'll see, right, there's a new regime there and and
(04:49):
we'll see kind of what that looks like.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Even with with Daniels though, And I'll tell you what,
if you're not a big football fan, good luck name
a Patriots wide receiver that Drake May or Jacoby Brissette
would have to throw to, at least in Washington. You're like, Okay,
Terry McLaurin, all right, there's you know, there's a viable
target you had Brian Robinson and Austin Eckler in the
backfield for them. Patriots did good Vermonde's romondre Stevens in
(05:15):
a big contract. The point being is dan Quinn's been
here before, dan Quinn's been to a super Bowl before,
even that transition. Trod Mayo's his first time as a
head coach and anything, and it just feels like the
Patriots are so far behind everybody else in terms of
trying to catch up that you wonder if it's good
or bad if Drake Mate gets too much action, because
I just don't think that there's a lot there for
(05:35):
him to work with.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Well, at least the division is not difficult, that's right.
There's and there's not like there's good quarterbacks in that
division either, you know, so so they got that going
for them as well, you know. But this it does
feel like a little bit of a return to even
the pre parcels.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Patriots, right, That's that's what it feels like.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
It's that long ago that the Patriots has always been,
you know, put them down for ten twelve wins, and
now you're like, and then there's you don't even list
them in playoff possibility.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Isn't that part of the dilemma with Drake May, Like
you would feel like you have nothing to lose, but
and you want to get as much information as you
can early. And I think Patriot fans last night, the
Patriot fans that I saw on social media were loving
what they saw. I thought it was fine for what
Drake May did, and I think it was perfect. The
best pascity threw ended up being an incompletion. That was
(06:27):
the one that we saw on social media ton last night.
You know, the touchdown run was whatever, and his short
yardage played. Nobody thought he was going to keep the
football and he ended up making it into the end zone.
But it's like Patriot fans are wanting to believe that
this is the answer. And that's the dilemma. Do you
play Drake May now with the limited supporting cast or
do you have Jacoby Brissett start and have Drake May
(06:49):
take over. I think that's the better option if you
personally ask me, I don't think Drake May should start
week one.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
You can make it, that's the thing. What's the what's
the and starting week one? And look, I do like
that they hired Alex Van Peltzer offensive coordinator, right. I mean,
he's famously a guy who Aaron Rodgers loved working with him,
So I think Baker Mayfield really like working with him
as well. I mean, I just think that's a that's
a guy who really knows how to connect with quarterbacks.
(07:18):
But you're right, it's like, this is not a year,
it's not a make or break year. I'll just I'll
give you the the the me coaching kind of background. Right,
So when I'm I'm trying to figure out my roster
at Green Bay, and you know, it's a little different
because guys can leave.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
But I have a I have a player who.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Is coming in from Australia and the rest of my
players I got a chance to coach for eight weeks
in the summer, and he's young, he's committed to staying
like long term, I have other players at his position.
I think he's going to be really, really, really good.
But it's like, what is the I don't have to
(08:03):
play him, what's the rush? Whereas there are other guys
where one they're more advanced or two it's kind of
part of the agreement, which is like, hey, we're gonna
We're gonna give you a shot.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Early.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
But with the Patriots, you have a guy under contract,
he's not going anywhere. That doesn't mean you sit him
and not play him. But they open up against the
Cincinnati Bengals on the road, then they play the Seahawks
at home, Then they go to the Jets, then they
go to the Niners.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Like, I don't know, do you want men? Eventually?
Speaker 3 (08:34):
You got to give him a shot, but do you
want to turn him? You want to let Nick Bosa
turn it loose and on the road in San Francisco.
I don't know if that's the best idea. It feels
like once you get to October, when they play the
Dolphins at home, the Texans at home, they go to
the Jaguars and the Jets at home, that's probably a
softer landing spot. Not because those teams stink, but because
those teams you're at home, and it just gives you
(08:55):
a better guy, a better sense of a balance.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
I also think, and I just three minutes ago, said
Drake May is going to be compared to Kayleb Williams
and Jayde Daniels, which I completely agree with. But if
you take his situation to compare it to what Minnesota
had or now has because of the injury to JJ McCarthy.
There's more of a dilemma in Minnesota because people like
(09:19):
you and others still believe in Sam Donald for as
much as you're taking JJ McCarthy number one, and he
is likely going to be your guy from Minnesota. If
he lights everything up and is absolutely amazing, it sets
Sam Donald's career back on track, but it also gives
Minnesota a decision. No offense to Jacoby Brissette. But we
know who Jacoby Brissett is. There's not going to be
(09:40):
a resurgence in his career. He is who he is.
They brought him in for a reason, and there's no
threat there. There's no opportunity for there. So if you
brought Jacoby Presett in for that reason, then you brought
him in for that reason, you might as well use him.
It's not you didn't bring him in to be like
I think he can compete with Rake May. That doesn't
(10:01):
make any sense. No, he was there to help Drake
May along, to move him along, to take the snaps
and play the games that Drake May isn't ready for,
and then when he is finally ready, he'll take over.
But that was the reason it's completely different from what
Minnesota is doing with their quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Can I give you maybe a little bit different way
of looking at it? Sure, you know, I understand how
we're all going to compare this quarterback class and the
rankings of this quarterback class and forever Sam Donald. Not
only is it's not just about Sam Darnald's about the
fact that Lamar Jackson was in that same class and
he's won a couple MVP's right. And the funny part
(10:36):
about Lamar Jackson was everyone passed on him in the
first round, including the Baltimore Ravens. Right, Like include Baltimore
Ravens didn't know something everybody else didn't, Right, they took him,
but they'd already taken a tight end in the first
round before they ultimately drafted Lamar Jackson. But the point
here is, like, we can be critical of him if
(10:58):
he turns out to not be better, especially than JJ
McCarthy who was drafted behind him, But you cannot say, well,
they should have had Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Well, they couldn't get Jane.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
They weren't getting Jane, they weren't getting Caleb Williams, right,
those it's not a possibility. So it's a hard thing
sometimes for a fan to rationalize. But and this is
where they say the old what comparison is the thief
of joy. I understand, we're gonna if we could redraft,
if we could reorder. Okay, but the only team that
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could have picked any of the quarterbacks is the Bears.
The only team that could have taken any of the
quarterbacks outside of Kayleb Williams is the Commanders. And then
the Patriots selected the third what they thought was the
third best option. And that's the only fair way you
can look at it. And we are completely unfair as
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sports fans.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
We just are. That's reality to it.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
I agree with you completely except for one caveat. But
we saw in Hard Knocks offseason, New England had a
chance to trade down with the Giants like the Giants,
And so that's funny because I loved that show. Lard
Knocks offseason. I thought nine million times better than Bear's
training camp.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
I thought I thought they really nailed something there.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
I guess I just do.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
I agree.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
I thought that was you were like.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Oh, this is better than the one with JJ watt
on a tackling dummy. Yes, off in the side, pretending
like he's, you know, doing putting in this extra work
and he's Captain America, Like this is actually real, and
I've had by the way I was with I was
with the Bears at their facility. I talked to some
(12:38):
of their guys and they're like, did you watch the
Giants thing?
Speaker 2 (12:40):
I was like, yeah, that was awesome. Yeah, it's great.
That's the stuff that you're sitting around twenty years later
and you're like, well, you didn't know it. But the
Patriots actually got a call from the Giants the day
of the draft, or they didn't want to do the
deal and took Drake May and the rest was history.
Those are the stories. So I agree with everything he said,
but for Patriots fan, if it doesn't work out, can
(13:01):
always say, well, see, you should have done that deal
with the Giants. Could have stuck him with New York.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
You know.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
The other interesting part about the Patriots is and we're
seeing you know, the Dolphins are an example of it.
You know, the Bills went through it forever after. You know,
when you lose a legendary quarterback. What's happened in Green
Bay is one of one. There is no franchise in
professional sports or in professional football that's gone from Hall
(13:31):
of Famer to Hall of Famer to now what they
feel like is franchise quarterback. It just hasn't happened. You know,
John Elway retires in Denver. Go through the names, obviously, Miami.
I think a big reason they overpaid to a tongue
of Iloa was it's been thirty years or so, maybe
even more since Dan the Man, right, and you're like,
(13:54):
we haven't had anybody that we really thought was our guy,
that we could build around, that we could keep, that
was good enough. So let's just hold onto this one
grasp on this hell that's part of the Bears thing.
It's like the Bears have never really had a guy.
I mean, everybody loved Jim McMahon, but let's not act
like Jim McMahon was one of the five best quarterbacks
in the NFL. Even when they won the Super Bowl,
they were a defensive oriented team and they had Walter
(14:16):
Payton and you know, every once in a while they
would chuck it up deep to Willie galt So And
I'm not like defaming Jim McMahon. He was more of
a personality than he was. He wasn't at that time
Remember that's Marino in Montana.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
That's what he was.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
So I do, like, if you're New England, you got
to just sit here and gore, like, look, we don't
necessarily need the next Tom Brady, the next Tom Brady
like that that's an ultimate outlier. But man, if we
can just get somebody who's good, who's solid, right, good dude,
solid dude gets for the football, accountable, good leader right
(14:54):
like this is because these next three years, maybe even four,
when he's under a rookie deal, that's what you can
truly rebuild a franchise. If you can get away with
not spending any money in the quarterback room and then
sp spending all the money and you had draft smartly
all around. That's got to be the process. But it's
fascinating to watch. You know, so many of these teams
(15:15):
have searched for years. The Packers obviously are the opposite
of it. And when or how long it takes New
England to find just a multi year starter, just a
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Colin Kaepernick recently told Sky Sports that he still wants
to play in the NFL. Earlier this week, New LA
Chargers coach Jim Harball wants his former quarterback in the NFL,
but as a member of his coaching staff and not
so much as a player. He said he spoken to
him multiple times. I love Colin, but he's not going
to be on the coaching staff which is set for
(17:16):
this year, and he's not going to be playing on
the roster either, right, what's your read into that quote,
Dan Byer.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Well, my read into it is it originally was Kaepernick
was going to be a coach, and Harball also revealed
that he had spoken to him over the past couple
of years when he was at Michigan about being a
coach and so on the surface, and there's a lot more.
But on the Harbaugh point of view, I believe that
(17:48):
Jim Harbaugh does not think Colin Kaepernick is a player
in the NFL anymore. And I think from the Jim
Harball point of view of different opinions with Kaepernick, but
on the Jim Harbaugh point of view, I think that's
what he is telling us, and that's my takeaway from it.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
My takeaway is that, but my takeaways a little bit
more advanced, so as as many of you know, and
I think what mine's just basic?
Speaker 4 (18:10):
No, no, no, no, it's just just slightly different.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Okay, So just I'll just reintroduce myself because you know,
we're told like never assume in sports radio. Right, So
I've been doing sports radio sports television for twenty one
years and three months ago was named head coach at
Wisconsin Green Bay. Obviously, even before my press conference had that,
I had to sit down here on the Dan Patrick
(18:33):
Show with Dan and one of the things that I
tell players in recruiting, and I mean it is you
come play for me, especially if you come play for
me this year. That's special because I don't have a
track record. I don't have, you know, John Caliperry, I
can't say I put this guy in the NBA, this
guy in the NBA, this guy in the.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
It's an act of faith.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
But I believe the college football in college basketball coaches
job and it's a really always been this way, but
it's harder now with the transfer portal. When guy's moving
is you got to take care of your guys. The
reason you stick it out is because when you do,
you have a football family that takes care of you.
That's that's how it works in college sports. That's your family.
(19:19):
And one of the things that people don't understand when
they switch schools is you're out of the family, right
and then the new family you go to. Some of
these guys are only there for you know, six nine months.
You're not really in that family, so you're familyless, and
they're like, why does that matter? Well, when you need
a job and you played college sports, the first person
you should be able to call is your coach, right,
(19:39):
your coach, because those guys can pick up the phone
and get you job or give you some direction. They
are literally a second and sometimes first father for many people.
I think Jim Harbaugh takes that very very seriously, and
it strikes me as Colin Kaepernick is that guy, and
I'm gonna have that guy. I My dad had those,
(20:00):
my brother's coach for twenty eight years. He has those
guys that you really want to help, Like, I just
want to help this dude, and he doesn't know how
to truly accept the help. He's not surrendered to the
realities of a situation. And here's where I bring it up.
If you remember, his shot of getting back in the
NFL was ruined by his girlfriend, right because he was
(20:21):
gonna sign and remember with the Ravens. I signed with
the Races before they got Lamar Jackson. We're gonna sign
with the Ravens. And then his girlfriend and I don't
know if they're still together. I'm sorry, I don't follow this,
but she's a I think radio host in New York City.
She put out a she put out a meme of
Django unchained, like you know, the slave owner Jango Unchained
and compared it to you, Steve Bushatti, who's the owner
(20:44):
of the Ravens. Right, So, like you're the owner of
the Ravens and you're called a slave owner by a
guy who doesn't have a job in the NFL, Like thanks,
but no thanks, right, And that's that's Jim telling John
take care of my guy. Plus, remember his offensive coordinator
who's now out with the Chargers, was the offensive coordinator
the Niners, was the offensive cordineer of the Ravens. You
(21:07):
know you go back that as well, right, So it's
all football family, and we try to take care of you,
and then your girlfriend has this meme and Steve A.
Schi's like, I'm not doing it. Sorry, I'm not going
to be called No one wants to be called a
slave owner when you're the owner of an NFL football team, Like, sorry,
not not doing it. And so you fast forward to
now he's not an NFL player, and I'm sure Jim
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called him up and he's like, hey, why don't you
come just come to camp, work with Herbert. You know
this offense, you played in, this offense, You're awesome in
this offense. Just teach it to justin Herbert. You know,
see if you want to do the coaching thing, see
how that feels to you. And I'm guessing and more
than a guess that Kaepernick's like, I still want to play.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
Like, yeah, we're not doing that. We're not doing that.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
And a big reason that guys have never given Kaepernick
a shot is not because they didn't want to give
him a shot. It's because if you cut him, are
you cutting him because of his political beliefs? Are you
cutting him because of his race?
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Right?
Speaker 4 (22:11):
No one wants to be called a racist.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
No one wants You don't want to cut a guy
like it's a third string, fourth string, fifth quarterback, whatever.
But Kaepernick strikes me as a guy that here his
football family is trying to take care of him and
give him an opportunity to get back in the league
in an offense that he knows just learn to be
a coach. He probably still wants to play, and he
hasn't given up the pipe dream. He's just not dealing
with reality. And when you read that, that strikes me
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as Jim Harbaugh going like, he's not get me a
player and you don't want to coach.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Sure, I think that's a reasonable assessment. The actually, the
part that I would only vary for you is just
right at the absolute end is I don't know if
Colin Kaepernick wants to be a player, but I think
that it helps Colin Kaepernick for him to say that
he wants to be a player, like he is in
the spot right now where if you were to cross
that line to be a coach, you are also giving
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in to an organization that you sued and that you
had fought for years, Like, I don't know how you
can reasonably think that you can play again in the NFL.
And we just had Mark dominic Gon and he quickly answered,
no way to your point, Doug, he hasn't played great
football now over a decade, hasn't played in an NFL
game since the twenty sixteen season, is going to turn
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thirty seven coming up later this year, and still thinks
that he has an opportunity and that is waiting for
his chance to play, which, by the way, if it
were to happen in twenty twenty four, probably would have
happened about a month or two ago when teams were
still didn't open training camps and we're looking for guys
to bring in. So it's just to me, it's not
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based in reality.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
I understand. But you're thinking he's basing these things in reality.
He's not.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
And some of it is all athletes are like that.
This is it's a really really hard one for most
most athletes. It's hard to say you can't still do it.
I mean, how many times Terarrell Owens Like, I'm gonna
see Terrell Owens tonight at an event? Right There's there's
an event the Pump Brothers host. It's for it raises
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money for their cancer center in in Northridge, California, And
I get a chance to m see it. It's it's
an amazing who's who, amazing who's who. And you see
anytime you run into Terrell Owens and you talk NFL,
he will tell you stone cold. And obviously he was
a much better player than Colin Kaepernick. I'm not comparing
the two. But the point is that it's been about
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the same length of time with t O okay, and
he's still convinced he can still play. Most guy there's
there's not most guys. I would say there's probably like
a probably twenty five to thirty percent of former players
even three four years after it, Like, I guess still
do it.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
I get that. But when Colin Kaepernick spoke to Sky Sports,
he says, I, I'm training, I want to get that opportunity.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
Yeah, he still thinks he could do it.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Dan No, But but the last line that he says,
just waiting for an owner to give me that chance. Yeah,
but I don't. That's where I think that the issue lies.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
I know he's crazy, That's That's what I'm getting to.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
And when I say crazy, I mean he has a
completely tilted view of the world, Okay, because he thinks
and I actually I would understand this if they were
so vindictive you know that they didn't want to have
him in the NFL because he likened the NFL draft
to slave trade, which is obscenely offensive and completely off
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the rails.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
But that's not the point.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
The point is that if he could win football games,
he would be a quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
Let's let's let's let's get to brass test sure, DeShawn Watson.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Deshaun Watson was accused of some sort of sexual improprieties
of forty women. Forty He signed the largest guaranteed contract
in the history of the National Football League. Why because
the Cleveland Brown thought he could win football games and
they haven't had a good quarterback in forever.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
That's the reality of it. That just is. It's the
whole nonsense of you know, did.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
What's his name with who's now the running back coach
or the offensive coordinator of Eric Vienemy. It's like the
whole Eric Vienemy thing, Like Eric Enemy didn't get a job,
not get a job because he's black and didn't get
a job because nobody thought he couldn't get along with people.
You have to be a united as a head coach.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
He was.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
He didn't do well in interviews because he didn't dive
in to all the nuances of running a program. NFL
owners want one thing. There is one agenda in professional sports,
only one winning. I mean, look at the Kansa City Chiefs, right,
they have a wide receiver. They have video of him
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leaving the scene of a hit and run, video of him.
It's like, wow, let the legal process take No, they
need a white receiver. I think it's not that hard.
They need a wide receiver. He's under contract. Play him
until somebody says you can't play him. I wish it
was about something else.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
It's not.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Colin Kaepernick was good for like a year and a half.
He's basically Scott Mitchell. Let's just catch the brass tacks. Okay,
he lost his job because he wasn't that good. That's
it now. The other stuff made it to he can't
ever be a backup quarterback because he never want to
be a backup quarterback, because a backup quarterback is about
somebody else.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Here's the issue, though, Doug. Is Colin Kaepernick going to
be known as a former quarterback in the NFL? Or
is he going to be known as a civil rights activist.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
He'll be known as a civil rights.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
He absolutely, and that's where his that's where he is
right now. That is where Colin Kaepernick is. Colin Kaepernick
and understand lost the line.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
I understand, but you're you're a.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Finish please, because it's the fact of if Colin Kaepernick
takes a coaching job, which he may want to do,
he's giving into the again the league that he sued.
He is more powerful saying I am still the victim here.
I am not allowed in the league. Owners are not
allowing me to play in the league. Well, now they're
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not letting him play in the league because nobody wants
a thirty seven year old quarterback that hasn't been in
the NFL for eight years. But it's not beneficial for
Colin Kaeperdick to say that. It's beneficial for Colin Kaeperdick
to say that I'm still not allowed in the league.
I think that he was blackballed in terms of I
don't think that he was given the opportunity that other
quarterbacks of his talent at that time, whether he was
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good or bad, for at least to try it. You
bring up the Ravens point, I think it's well put that.
Then all of a sudden, the Raven's like, well, we're
not going to risk this. This doesn't benefit us at all.
So he moves on. But this is now eight years
of this going on, and I think that for Colin
Kaeperdick to sit there and say, hey, I'm still trying,
I'm still trying for that opportunity, he's saying that because
he needs to be pitted against the NFL, and if
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he joins the NFL, he loses the identity of being
that civil rights activist that he's the most powerful and
probably has done the most damaged, not the most damaged,
but has done the most effect on the world. That's
where I think Colin Kaepernick has done. He's made the
effect as a social activist, and he's done a lot
of great things. But if you cross that line and
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it's not about you, it's about them, then it's about you,
it's not about them, it changes who he is.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
I think the way you're looking at it is super reasonable.
I think Colin Kaepernick has not been reasonable for a
long time.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
And can go back.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
You remember the first team that he went and visited, Okay,
first hawks was the Seahawks, right, And you remember what
Pete Carroll said when he left his visit.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
In the Seahawks. He's a starter that yeah, listen, he's
a starter.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
And that how that translates is because all those guys
have to measure their words is we brought him in
and we like, man, we love you, we want you
to be a backup to Russell, and he's like, I
want to be a starter. Yep, okay, had nothing to
do with being blackballed. This dude does it. He's never
known who he actually is as a football player. And
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most the guys that stick, the guys that last. The
guy's like, why is Chase Daniel right? Chase Daniel covers
the NFL? Why did he last as long as he
lasts the NFL? Because he knew at some point he
knew who he was. Hey, I'm just here to get
that other guy ready. It's not about me, it's about
the team. I'll make a couple million dollars and I
just Josh McCown is like was considered like the greatest
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backup ever.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
I just come in maybe once a year. Hopefully you
do it.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Tim Hasselbeck transition to that role, it's a really hard
role to transition. Zoby Brissett's doing it correct and everybody says, like, oh,
greatest job in the world. It is, but you got
to sacrifice your ego and he's never been able to
do that. So you're you're absolutely right on a multitude
of levels. But again, you're looking at this like, and
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I don't want to say he's insane because that's unfair.
I'm not making a clinical diagnosis on it. But you're
looking at this as a reasonable, rational, rational person, and
I think he's been completely irrational throughout so many of
these stages. And I think that's what I heard from
from Harball, which is like, Hey, I wanted to get
him here. Greg Roban's ThEC he'd got to he'd be
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a perfect fit here to just be a coach and
learn and get him back to football. And he wants
to be a player that ain't happen and he doesn't
want to be a coach that ain't happening either.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
That then begs a question that actually Jason Stewart brought up,
was basically, why is Harbaugh doing this?
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Because that's what you're like, going back to what I
said originally, that's what you're supposed to do as a coach.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
Got to take care of your guys.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Okay, but doesn't he put Kaepernick in a bad light,
like if this is coming out publicly, Like, isn't this
putt In Colin Kaepernick in a bad light to say,
like he doesn't want to like none of this. We
just found out that he had been talking to him
while he was at Michigan. You know, the last couple of.
Speaker 7 (31:55):
Years totally undermines Kaepernick's agenda. Or harbought to say, I
offered him an assistant coaching job and he didn't return
the call. It undermines the agenda because Kaepernick can't be
a victim and he can't improve his cause in the
world as an assistant coach. Every time he's tried to
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come back as a player. You mentioned the Seahawks tryout,
he sabotaged that. Yeah, remember the NFL tryout? Or he
changed the venue last minute, he sabotaged that. Remember that
letter to the Jets GM and then he leaked the
letter asking if he could be on the practice squad.
That practice with Mark Davis a couple of years ago
was sabotaged by Kaepernick. I don't think his need to
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play in the NFL is genuine. I think it's good
for business to be consistently trying to get in the
NFL and not let in.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
This good stuff. Who knew that?
Speaker 3 (32:52):
At ten nineteen on the East coast, seven nineteen on
the West coast on August sixteen, twenty twenty four, we'd
have fifteen really good minutes of Colin Kaepernick talk. But
that was the excellent work. I do think to answer
your question again, why would he do it? I think
it's Jim Harbaugh saying, I'm always going to fight for
my guys always because people want to. That's a big
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thing in recruiting. That's a big thing in coaching. That's
I'm always going to fight for my guys, just like
he did with J. J. McCarthy saying, you know, he's
the best quarterback in the clack, the best quarterback class,
Like nob me thinks that. But you always always fight
for your guys.
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Speaker 3 (33:42):
So there's a video out there, uh, Dan byer, I
don't know if you've seen it, where Tom Brady is
on a boat and he's throwing past the people on
jet skis, and he turns to the camera and says,
I just want to make sure all these young bucks
in the NFL know if I, if I still wanted
to come out of retirement, they still got something to
deal with. Brady said, which, by the way, most all
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of these questions, lots of NFL NBA players say the
exact same thing. But what if, right, yes, it's the
it's the gigantic.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
What if When you read the comments in print, you're like, wait,
what is he talking about? And then later on he
said that he's had zero passing days this offseason, so
by no means is he ready, and now he's forty
seven years old. But I kind of started going through
some of the NFL and being like, all right, if
they could take Brady right now in their current situation,
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how many would And more more often than not, Doug,
I thought I would maybe get one per division, but
it was more like one or two. When you're really
like looking at it and you're saying, all right, AFC East,
who he just talked about, would New England take him back? Absolutely?
I don't think there's any question in.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
A harp but he would he would never go there.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
No, never go there. No, don't. I don't think so either.
But would the Dolphins take him? Yeah, yeah, I agree.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
I mean like, look, if I'm the Dolphins, I would
rather have him than Tua right now.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Well, that's and I think that there are people who
believe that as well. It also are on that same
page with you. Pittsburgh rather have Brady than Fields and Wilson. Yeah, absolutely,
Will Levis or Tom Brady and Tennessee for this season
Tom Brady. Yeah, Tom Brady absolutely go to the AFC
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West Broncos and Raiders.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
You know what he has.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
I'm gonna use the word that that the kids are
using today. I love having teenage kids, and now I
have two, one that's in college, one that's going to
college next week.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
You ever heard they use the word aura, right, Yes,
they have aura.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
He just does. It's like a real thing. Like even
if he can't throw a football on him what which
he can. I'm sure he can't at the velocity and
the accuracy and the consistency of which he did, you.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
Know earlier's career. That's that's normal.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
It's natural. It's actually natural aging process. Even though he
seems to not age.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
He does.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
He's got that Benjamin Button thing going. But he does
have aura, and you know whether or not he'd actually
be good, he make you believe that here you can
be good.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Yeah. There are a lot of spots in the NFL
that you would think, all right, he's not gonna go.
But when you really look at it and break it down,
there's probably at least one team of division that you're like, yeah,
they'd probably have Brady, And then in some cases it's two.
It's it's crazy. And when he said you know what
he's got, I went on the way back machine to
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Seinfeld and to Moxie. I thought you were gonna say
Moxie Yet Maxie, I don't know if that's that's the
same as aura as the kids these days are saying.
But he also has it. I think that we all understand.
And he also has seven Super Bowl rings.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
I don't know if he has them. The Maxie is like.
The one thing about guys when they get older is
they know. None of those guys like to be hit.
None of them go like, man, I can't wait to
come back in the NFL and get a year hold, right,
but to step in there staying there like they have
a tendency to dirt it and get rid of it quicker. Yeah,
But I it's the it's the the leadership component and
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the I read this story where there was an empty
locker next to him in Tampa and players would just
bring stuff in every day and just leave it there
and just every day it's there and just sign sign sign,
sign signed. So it's like, you know, when you're a
player who guys in the NFL literally grew up watching
you win Soup Bowls, It's it's a it's a different,
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different deal. Mark Dominic joins us here on the Dan
Patrick Show Fox Sports Radio with Dan Byrum, Doug Gottlieb,
and Mark of course, former general manager of the Tampay Buccaneers,
spent his lifetime in the National Football League. Were talk
about Drake May and Jacoby Brissett, and what I was
talking about earlier is like, look, you can compare him
to Jade Daniels, you can compare them to Kayleb Williams.
But the Patriots didn't have the chance to draft either
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of those two quarterbacks. So you've been in these situations before.
What's the They're not great expectations of New England they're
a difficult division. You got first year head coach, you're
rebuilding the roster. What's the thought behind when you start him?
Because you're going to start him, But when do you
start Drake May?
Speaker 8 (38:18):
Yeah, you know, I think it's an inchie question in
my personal opinion. You start the probably around week three
or four. You let Jacoby Brissett, you know, take the
lumps early in the season. Let Drake May see what
the difference is between week one of the preseason and
week one of the regular season and how everything gets
ramped up, what a week looks like from a preparation standpoint,
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and unless Kacoby Brissette goes out there and just lights
it up, you make the transition around week three and four.
And the reason why, Doug Vanas I see it as this,
You're going to need fans to get behind Drake May,
and then right now I don't think they are fully
behind him. And so if Kacoby Brissett struggles, the fans
will be like, well, let's at least play Drake May,
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and they're gonna be.
Speaker 5 (38:59):
More for into it.
Speaker 8 (39:00):
So Drake made number one is going to get to
the field a little slow to see how to get
prepared a number two. He might get the New England
crowd saying, hey, look he's a rookie, he's struggling. Let's
see what he can do, you know, be patient with
him instead of throwing him out their week one and
it's like this guy the bumb he's no good, he
can't get it done. So I think that's what you're thinking.
But I think the Patriots, in my opinion, made their
first rookie mistake last week, and it's a rookie head
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coach to rookie gm Drake May should have played a
lot more last week and should have played a lot
lot more, and then this week he obviously was out
there for a while, but there's no reason for Bailey's
appy to be getting reps right now. Those should be
all Drake May's.
Speaker 4 (39:37):
Okay, what did you think of Drake made the prospect?
Speaker 8 (39:42):
I didn't like him. I'm not going to sit here
and say I didn't like him. I had for me,
I was Jaden Daniels one, and then I was you know,
obviously the Bears with you know, Caleb was number two,
and then I had Drake three, I had Pennix four,
and I had just lost. I'll think of it out
j M five and then I had bo Nicks six,
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so I had Drake May three, and I thought that
the arm strength, the arm talent, I thought the athleticism
was really good.
Speaker 5 (40:09):
So I thought that.
Speaker 8 (40:10):
Was certainly potential. And as you guys said, you know,
it wasn't like New England had the choice of the
first two. I think that was pretty much written in stone.
But I think it's here. Uh you know, who knows
when it's all said and done, you know which guy's
going to be the best, which guy's going to be
a bust. We all know that they're all not going
to be stars. But uh, you know, it's just a
it's a frustrating spot because when you look at the Patriots,
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a place that people used to want to go so
they could at least get a championship even though they
didn't enjoy playing there. Now the Patriots have kind of
become the Detroit Lions, like no one really wants to go,
which is amazing.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
Yeah, it really is.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
What do you think of Alex van Pelt in terms
of development? And I bring it up because I think
the fan looks at just the player and expects the
player to perform and then you know, those of us
in sports media we sit there and go like, well,
he doesn't have any wide receivers to throw to, you know.
But I believe that a good portion of a guy's
development is who you surround him and who you support
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him with the other quarter of the veteran quarterback right,
as well as who his offensive coordinat quarterback coach is.
How does Alex van Pelt feel to you fitting with Drake.
Speaker 8 (41:15):
May I think it should be a good fit because
he's worked with more of this type the size of
quarterback you know, where you know, Jane Daniels steels perfect
for Cliff Piningsbury because that's kind of the skill set
he loves. And I think for Van Pelt, Draig May
and I think that's what drew the Patriots to Drake
may Is. I think Alex van Pelt works with you know,
a bigger bodied, you know, pocket you know, certainly an athlete,
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but a pocket thrower. And I think that's why that
made sense to me. I've been on staffs with Alex
van Pelt. I think he's a very smart coach. I
saw him. I actually started my career with the Chiefs
when he was a backup in Kansas City under coach
Schottenheimer and Paul Hackett, and Mike McCarthy was there as
a as a quality control coach. So he's been around
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a lot of football for a long time. I think
he's very smart. I think he's very relatable. I think
those are all good things. I think it's more of
what you're saying. I think it's this team's been rebuilding
now for you know, four years, and if they really
still don't have a great offensive line, they don't have
a great wide receiver room, even though I think Polk
is going to be a good player, the running back
is a good player, but defensive cordiators don't go, oh boy,
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what are we going to do this week? And so
I think the problem is the Patriots just don't have
a great roster, and it just got worse by trading
away Matt Judon. So I think that this is just
a team that's, you know, kind of set to struggle,
and I think it's very pressure for an organization that's
so used to twenty years of just rolling out of
bed and being a champion.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
I think we all feel bad for JJ McCarthy in
losing this season, But how does Minnesota handle it And
is it as bad as maybe it would read on
the surface.
Speaker 8 (42:47):
Yeah, you know, it's certainly disappointing. You know, the odds
of him coming back are very slim. You still can
hold out a little hope, but the reality is you
want to make sure he's going to fully heal. You know,
they've been very positive aout Sam Donald. We will see
what Sam Donald can do in the system. You know,
it's very positive to see what JJ did in his opportunity.
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That was very encouraging in terms of pushing the ball
down the field and making good decisions for the most part.
So it's it's certainly a blow to this team. I
don't feel like Sam Donald's gonna, you know, come in
and pull the Kurt Warner and Trent Green goes down
and Kurt Warner comes in and while we've got a championship,
I think he's really crushes Minnesota in the short term.
But you know, it's one year. You know, it's it's
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certainly a hard thing to have to deal with the
watcher quarterback not play. And that's why every day after
practice I went and save the athletic trainer and not
the head coach to see who's healthy and who's not.
But you know, I don't have anything good to say
because this is such a frustrating injury from a young player,
and that just shows you why NFL owners continue in
every CBA to fight against guaranteed contracts because things.
Speaker 5 (43:52):
Like this happened.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
Okay, hear me out. Could it be good for Sam
Donald that he doesn't have to worry about JJ McCarthy
looking over his shoulder?
Speaker 8 (44:00):
Yeah, I mean I think I think Sam Donald knows
JJ was going to look over shoulder. Do I think
Sam's going to play that much better? I think it's
kind of what you guys just talked about with Alek
Sam Pel. This is a really nice system and it's
a good system, and so I think Sam Donald's probably
excited about just being in the system and now saying
I am the starter and not.
Speaker 5 (44:17):
Having to think about it. So you have to actually
put that.
Speaker 8 (44:20):
Into the mindset that Sam realizes this is his last
golden ticket and if he doesn't cash it in, he's
going to become a forever backup or however long he
wants to play. And so yeah, I guess I would
say from a mental standpoint, if you know you're the starter.
Speaker 5 (44:33):
You know, you're the.
Speaker 8 (44:33):
Guy and it's your season to see what you can
do as a quarterback in the National FOOTBA.
Speaker 3 (44:38):
Leagueah okay, and look, I've and you know on my
show you join us and I don't. I don't know
if we've discussed this, but Dan and I've talked a
bunch about this. I'm still a holder of stockholder And
Sam Donald, you.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
Actually tried to convince Mark last season that he should
play over party. I remember that vaguely.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
I did, I did you know? And I just did again.
I'm just a buyer, and I do you understand that?
And I think one of the things that happens, and
I've known it happens as a player and as a broadcaster,
but now as a coach as well as like there
does come a point where guys are so beaten down
mentally they lose that confidence, they lose that swagger. It's
(45:16):
not sometimes even about the talent, even though they have, uh,
they have all the weaponry at their disposal, and he
has all the experience in the world, but just the
years have.
Speaker 4 (45:26):
Worn out, worn out, worn him out.
Speaker 3 (45:29):
But I guess that's my question. You I he has
a quarterback as his head coach. He has a system.
This is not his first year in the system. He
was in the same system in San Francisco last year.
He's got two really good wide receivers and with Aaron Jones,
he's got a talented, uh two way running back as well.
Speaker 4 (45:46):
Like, this is a pretty good setup. Do you think
he even has it in him?
Speaker 5 (45:51):
You know what? I think what you brought up with it?
Speaker 8 (45:53):
You know, obviously Kevin O'Connell's offense, and to your point,
being with Shanahan last year, uh, being very comfortable and
fluid to just jump into Minnesota and feel very because
all those reps he took.
Speaker 5 (46:05):
Yeah, he didn't get to throw the ball.
Speaker 8 (46:06):
A ton during the regular season last year, but he
took a ton of reps in practice and now he's
had an whole entire offseason to say, I already know
the play call, I know this book. It should give
him every chance is you're gonna find out right, it's
going to be like we're because I do think the
roster offensively, you know, once they get Hockinson back is
really really good, you know, and hopefully Addison, you know,
(46:27):
is gets everything on track, not just off in the field,
but off the field. He needs to get everything together.
But you know, they have two good receivers, they have
an elite tight end obviously, and they've got the running
game that you talked about. It should be there. I
think the offensive line is good too, and so the
whole piece should be there. Offensively, they should be good
enough to show. Is Sam Donald a guy that can
you know, two or three x interceptions to touchdowns? Can
(46:49):
he actually do that in his in his game? And
being does he throws thirty touchdowns but you know, only
ten interceptions? Can Sam Donald be that kind of guy?
That's what we all have to see because the reality
is up to this point, it doesn't. I just keep
saying he's good, he's quality, solid, but he's just never
thrown for twenty touchdowns in his life and he's got
(47:11):
way too many interceptions in his career, and so I've
just never seen it. But I think, like I said,
this is his you know, Willie Wonk and the chocolate factory,
and this is his golden ticket. He's got to catch
it in I'm not as optimistic.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
What does Russell Wilson have to do this weekend if
you're a Steeler fan?
Speaker 5 (47:28):
Nothing?
Speaker 8 (47:29):
Meaning, Like I'm not expecting much and don't need anything
from He's the starting quarterback of this team. I just
wanted to be helping, you know, so he can go
out there and have a driver to whatever coach Tomlins
and omar Con what they decide to do with how
they want to play him. But it's more about getting
through the game and being healthy. I think that's the
most important thing because he's a Steelers quarterback who's a.
Speaker 3 (47:50):
Team who everybody in the league is talking about, but
we're not talking about, like right, we get caught up
in the it's like Sugar, you know, like the Cowboys
and their drama is like Sugar and the son Reddick
And this kind of weird situation is kind of like Sugar.
Who's the team that people in the NFL are talking about?
(48:11):
And you've been doing this so long, like you know
it's really good?
Speaker 1 (48:14):
Is well?
Speaker 8 (48:16):
You know, I think we there's no I don't think
there's a Houston dark horse team that's just gonna surprise
you and come out out.
Speaker 5 (48:22):
Of the woodwork like we saw last year. I don't
feel like that's that.
Speaker 4 (48:25):
But there is every but there is every year.
Speaker 8 (48:28):
Yeah, But I don't think there's gonna be in my
personal opinion, like, I don't see the Carolina Panthers making
some enormous run. I don't think Jacksonville is something they're
going to go to fourteen and three or thirteen and four.
You know, And when you look at the other teams around.
Speaker 5 (48:42):
The league, I would say this, if you had.
Speaker 8 (48:45):
To pick one team that you know, there's a lot
of momentum behind and I think what just happened in
Minnesota helped it. We all think the Packers are interesting.
It's just such a young team. It's going to be
fun to watch what they can do. And there's you
know with d'antavian Wis, continue to develop, what the other
receivers they have, the young tight ends. It's just a
team that everybody's gonna, like want to hitch the wagon too.
I think the league's looking at like I wish I
(49:05):
had that problem. I know the Patriots look at it
and go, I.
Speaker 5 (49:07):
Wish I had that.
Speaker 8 (49:08):
You know, those that skill set of guys. I don't
think that's a big surprise. Maybe the whisper team could
be the Arizona Cardinals that people just don't even care.
If people have written off Kyler Murray, I don't think
they understand the impact that we're going to see with
Marvin Harrison Junior. I think Trey McBride is an elite
tight end that people don't realize quite yet either. I
would say Arizona might be that team that's like, wow,
(49:28):
I did not see that coming.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
Would you give Colin Kaepernick a workout at this point
in his career?
Speaker 8 (49:34):
No, not anymore. It's just it's been so long. It
has nothing to do with anything other than it's just
been so long. And he can pick up a football
and all those things. But I mean we're what is
it five six years now since he's played in the
National Football at sixteen?
Speaker 4 (49:49):
Was the last twenty thirteen was the last time he
was good?
Speaker 5 (49:51):
I mean twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
Yeah, twenty sixteen was when he played Dougsast twenty thirteen
when he was good.
Speaker 5 (49:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (49:57):
No, I mean no, you know, I know, while we
was talking about, you know, not even on the coaching staff,
So I mean, you know, that train is run. He
can sit there and say I'd like to play or
things like that, but the reality is, you know, it's
just been too too long. You know, his body can
be in football or decent shape, but it's not going
to be ready for the pounding of the National.
Speaker 5 (50:15):
Football League because he hasn't been able to be hit forever. Well.
Speaker 3 (50:18):
The other part too, it is like even the coaching
staff thing like if you're not there in training camp,
like and you know, and somebody offers you a job
and you don't immediately say I want to come, like,
then what are we doing here? Like it's not really it,
it's not really a discussion. So so anyway, Mark, have
a great weekend. Can't wait to have your insight on
my show. He's Mark Dominic, a long time front office
(50:39):
scout of course, former gentlemenagers of the Tampay Buccaneers, joining
us on the Dan Patrick Show.
Speaker 2 (50:42):
You're the best.
Speaker 4 (50:43):
Appreciates join us, Thanks for
Speaker 8 (50:44):
Having me only guys, Joy the weekend, Joy the games.
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