August 14, 2025 • 48 mins
Doug Gottlieb & Dan Beyer discuss the disaster that the WNBA season has been before diving into the reason behind Beyer's take that Shedeur's first pre-season game showed everyone why he dropped so far in the NFL draft. Doug and Dan welcome former Bucs GM Mark Dominik onto the show to talk about Shedeur Sanders, the Bills and the major headlines around the NFL. Dan and Doug discuss Taylor Swift's appearance on the Kelce brothers’ podcast and what may have distracted Travis last season as his Chiefs were chasing history.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Welcome in, Good morning to you. It's Dan Patrick Show,
Fox Sports Radio. iHeartRadio app. Do Do Do Do Do, Do,
Do Do Do Doot with Dan Byer, Jason Stewart, Chris Proffet.
I'm Doug Gottlieb, the Doug Gottlieb Show crew, sitting in
(00:25):
for Dan and the Dan Nuts here as we get
ready for football season. While we continue to ride out
the wave of the Brewers winning streak. Uh, the Angels
winning streak. Huh, you can put a halo on that
one as the angel sweep the Dodgers. I'm sure there's
other stuff going on in sports, and we're gonna get
to this Shador Sanders topic in one second. I do
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think that there's this is a real thing, Dan, I
think this year has been a abject disaster for the
w NBA from this standpoint. Well, you can be the
most ardent WNBA. I can't stand the women and how
they treat Caitlyn Clark, or how the level of play
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or the promotion of it, or putting them on ads
instead of NBA players or whatever. There's plenty of guys
out there that feel that way, right, But their main
attraction is Caitlyn Clark. She has not played during the
meat of summer, and by the time she comes back
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and plays, football is being played and zero people care
about the WNBA. Now there's and there was a there's
a growing following. And I'm just telling you, like that
last summer, not putting her on the Olympic team was messy.
It probably helped her personally as she it was just
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too much of a whirlwind and she got kind of
got her stuff together for the playoff run, but it
did not promote the sport. And then the one woman
that drives ratings to the sport isn't playing all summer
and she'll come back and play. By the time she
comes back, some plays, it's the end of August, We're
onto football. College football starts in with two weeks.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
It's over.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yeah, Like you want to talk about missing a window, Right's.
I was thinking about that last time. I was like, Hey,
what's missing? Why has there been zero to talk about
for like three weeks outside of Chador or whatever. And
I know it's usually this way, but I'd landed on Hey,
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last summer we were talking about Olympics, WNBA Caitlin Clark,
and she's very much still alive, still playing basketball, but
injured right now during the one time of year and
nothing else is going on that anybody wants talk about it.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
And here's the scary thing. College football is a week
from Saturday away because of week zero, the full schedule
obviously coming up with August twenty eight, two weeks from today,
and then obviously on Saturday, August thirtieth, we get a
full slate of games. But Doug, to your point point
about the WNBA, I don't think any storyline was able
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to grow. And I thought maybe we were gonna get that.
I thought we were maybe going to get more players
receptive to Caitlin Clark. We saw Sophie Cunningham make a
name for herself, and she made quite a name for
herself in sticking up for her. But I thought something
was interesting when the Connecticut Sun played the Fever and
they moved a game to Boston, and this was after
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the little melee that they had earlier in the season,
and I'm like, this could be good for the WNBA
to get Connecticut Sun fans, maybe to be a rival
of the Indiana Fever that did not happen. There was
no ability to make a rivalry with Page Beckers and
the Dallas team because Caitlin Clark hasn't been available. Nothing
was able to progress this year, and if anything, maybe
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it took a step back because we see that it
is so Caitlin Clark driven.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Don't you think that the contrast has been offered up though?
Because Doug's point that it's been a disaster for the WNBA,
can you make a case that it's been a net
positive for Caitlyn Clark and that she proved in her
absence how valuable she is to an entity. This coming
off of her declining to do that stupid three on
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three league, coming off of get A not being included
on the Olympic team. This whole Sophie Cunningham storyline is
all about her protecting Kitlin Clark. That's her brand. She's
gotten the podcast, she's gotten the ad time because of
protecting Kitlin Clark. So maybe a disaster for the w
the other part to it, but net positive for Kaitlin Clark.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
There's another part to the Sophie Cunningham right. She's an
attractive woman that plays basketball right, and she's flirty with
with how she looks at the camera. So I mean,
I think, but yes, being white and straight too, yeah,
all those things, all those things were, all those things were.
But I think most of it is that the part,
it's the connection. She's she's, you want to, riding the
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way of Caitlyn Clark, or she's catching some of that
whitewash of Caitlin Clark along with you know, being attractive
and you know, being completely different from what our images
of WNBA players was for the past twenty five years,
which has allowed us to hyper focus on a fifth
round pick at quarterback. Right, it's like we just we
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have to pay attention to something. And I even think,
like the Micah Parsons thing, because because the Cowboys thing
happens every single year, right, every single year, it's like, hey,
who can we cocorate some sort of salary drama. We
know Jerry's ultimately gonna pay him. Let's ask for an
obscene amount of money. Maybe it's not the time, maybe
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it's not the place. And then Mike Parson's really good.
Cowboys aren't but they're not terrible. You're gonna pay him.
He's doing a hold in. He's really under contract for
three more years without negotiation if they want to, so
it's gonna get done. It was kind of agreed to.
Then the agent was like, Yo, anyway, I think people
are completely over talking about the Cowboys, Like, let me
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know when the Cowboys lose late in the season and
fall out of the playoffs so I can make fun
of them, or let me know if they get to
the playoffs and lose early so I can make fun
of them. But I've seen this movie. I know how
it ends. So instead we're hyper focusing on Shador Sanders,
which brings us to Dan Byer. Your thought on Shador.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Yeah, So earlier in the week, Doug, I just made
the point that with the music playing in week one
of a preseason game where he hadn't gotten a lot
of snaps with film crew following him around, that those
were the things that I didn't think NFL teams wanted
to deal with or felt that there was a lot
of extra with Shador, and which was one of the
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reasons why he fell in the NFL draft, And for
as great as he played on that Friday night against Carolina,
it was everything that was extra about it that was
the reason or that I felt that he fell in
the draft, and none of that had changed, so there
wasn't an opportunity for Shador Sanders to maybe do things
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a bit different. The reason why he fell to the
fifth round, I felt was because of everything that was
extra with him that teams didn't want to deal with.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Yeah, yeah, I actually I'll draw a comp to what
we went through last year. You know, you get the
job late and we're on what's called APR probation APR probation,
So APR probation, we can only practice five instead of
six days a week, and those four hours of practice
time that we lost have to be mandatory study hall
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for your team, right, And it's not because of my team.
It's like two years previous team was an academic disaster. Anyway,
The point was that when we every player we took,
we had to take with the mindset of, okay, what
happens if he flunks out. We can't have a guy
flunk out because you have a certain number of points.
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You know, everybody has to be eligible, and then if
they leave, they have to go find a school, has
to be a four year school. There's all these rules
with they have to get a certain GPA in order
to transfer to a four year school to a junior college,
they're a freshman to another school. They got to get
a you know, a two point five, otherwise they hurt
you academically. So we had to evaluate who we take
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based upon how hard they were to get rid of.
That makes sense, yes, And I think that was a
real thing for Shador Sanders, which was, you know, he
clearly blew off a bunch of these meetings and was
disengaged and frankly rude. Everybody says it. I've heard from
real NFL people that it was in many ways worse
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just because this was their way of I don't want
to be drafted by that team. And you know, coaches
everyone talks to everyone in the industry, they just do.
So then word got out that Shador Sanders was a
complete jerk in these meetings, and then you start to
factor in, Okay, well I might like him, but Dion's
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gonna want my job because he wants to coach his kid.
And oh yeah, by the way, you're gonna have a
film crew, you're gonna have his boys. You have a
kid that comes from a kid that comes from money.
So there's the perception, whether it's real or not, that
he's arrogant that he's entitled. Nobody wants entitled on a
sports team, especially from a guy who's not a first
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round draft pick. You know, and then you have to
factor in your mind, Okay, what happens if we cut him?
Because that's a big reason Kaepernick. There's lots of reasons
Kaepernick was never back in the NFL. Okay, he didn't
want to be a backup, and he was at the
point in his career where he had to be a
backup and then potentially earn it or get a little luck.
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Guy gets hurt and then you get an opportunity. But
it was the big part was and I talked to
a GM I remember at the time, said it's not
that if I bring him in, it'll be great, It'll
be well received. He's a talented guy. He's probably a
backup stage in his career. You know, he's not great
at reading a defense. Remember he can only scramble out
to his right. There's a lot of things that but
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it was what happens if I cut him? If I
cut him, I get me called a racist. I gotta
lose half my locker room. What happens for Shador Sanders
if we cut him. You know what what happens? What
how are we received? Do we do? We look like
clowns for taking this guy on? So I yeah, I
do see that. I I completely agreed with your take,
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which is the the play on the fuel was fine.
It was good. It was good. I still don't know
how good an army has, right, it's still against but whatever, Like,
let's not diminish. It was good. Sure, I agree, But
it's the you show up and you're a fifth round
pick and you're fourth in the depth chart, and you
got a dude bring in music, hold another guy holding
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your bag, get like, what what are we doing? That's
not how quarterback is played in the NFL. Quarterback it's
very much like a political position where you got to
rally everybody behind you and you got it the same
reason that politicians they go and do they go to
these like diners or they go get ice cream, and
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they always you know what they always wear. They always
wear a blue button noun dress shirt. They don't wear
a tie, and they roll up their sleeves. Right now,
all these guys are ridiculously rich. Trump's the only one
to be like, I'm rich. I'm wearing my stuff. I'm
wearing the same suit every day. Like I don't even
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know if he has like any you know, anything else
to wear, but all these other politicians they do because
that's the job. You're supposed to look like the everyman. Right,
I'm just roll up my sleeves, no tie. Right, I'm
one of you. Like what. But that's where And there's
definitely a section of fans that think that this is
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about things that it's not about. That's just hey, hey,
it's a young black man trying to trying to, you know,
push the envelope what's acceptable, Like, well, there's the young
black man was drafted number one overall quarterback this year,
Like what do we do? It's happened ten times. It's
not about that. It's about the appearance of being humble,
not entitled, and motivated to prove everybody wrong. Right, And
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that part he's obviously motivated to prove everybody wrong, but
it's the delivery still feels like he doesn't actually get it,
and it Bill hasn't actually got.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
It, and it feels like that he wants to do
it on his own terms. And the point that I
will stand by and I don't take anything back for
what I said was, it's also a little bit of
an indictment on the NFL. But again, the NFL and
these teams are in charge. So when you're applying for
a job or going for a job, you want to
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be able to show your worth and fit in. And
I just found it surprising instead of carrying a veteran's
stuffel bag into the locker room like a rookie normally
would that, another teammate of his was playing Shador's own
song in week one of a preseason game, and I
just I it was surprising to me, and it felt
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like it was a lot and at that point, like
if it was week one of a regular season game
where he had won the job, maybe there's something to that.
Maybe at that point you can do it. But I
just felt, in week one of a preseason game, do
you need your own soundtrack walking into the stadium? And
I just didn't think so. I thought the Tony Grossi
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interview that was recorded, which Tony ended up approaching Shador,
but Tony didn't know that they were recording. That's another
aspect of it. It's not that the NFL is Scott
free and it's all blamed on Shador. But that's where
you would think a lot of the responses came from
that Shador is the victim and in all of this
and what's happening in Cleveland because he was the one
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that was taken in the fifth round, that he's the
one that's not getting the first team reps. Like that's sports,
that's that's that's what you gotta deal with. This is
no different than other quarterbacks. So to put paint Chadors
a victim here, which I don't think Schador is trying
to do, I think it's I think it's the fan
base of Chador that's trying to do that. I just
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I don't agree with that at all.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Yeah, it it definitely it's given us something to get
us through kind of this preseason. We're talking about the
Browns and their current fourth string quarterback. It has distracted
us from talking about Deshaun Watson, who's still like working out.
You know, they changed his contracts. I think they got
him for a couple more years. Like that's gonna be
weird when he we have. He mentioned like he's gonna
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come back at some point and want to play football.
It's it's gonna be fascinating.
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Speaker 2 (15:10):
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Speaker 1 (15:14):
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Speaker 5 (15:21):
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Speaker 1 (15:34):
Yea.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Let's welcome in Mark Dominic. He joins us on the
Doug Gottlieb Show on a weekly basis, so we thought,
let's bring him on The Dan Patrick Show because he's awesome.
He's former Gentlemen tre Tampey Buccaneers twenty plus years the
nash Football League. You named the job. He's had it
and still works, it still covers, it still knows it. Mark.
Let me just ask you first, in terms of watching
the All twenty two, what'd you think of how Shador
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played in their opening exhibition game.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
Well, thanks for having me on, guys. I think he played well.
I mean when you go back and you look for
some of the ball placements where, yeah, where there's some
throws he'd like to have back, of course every quarterback,
especially their first time, but just in terms of the
arm movement of the ball, velocity, the little pieces, it
was like, Okay, that's encouraging. That's what I kind of
envisioned Chador to try to look like to be when
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you're playing out there for the Cleveland Browns. And so
I was I took it away as going, you know what,
I think he'll be a starter for the Cleveland Browns.
It won't be Week one, but I do think he'll
start this year for Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
What does it mean for Dylan Gabriel Because he's the
third round pick and seems to be in this quarterback sandwich,
if you will, between everybody else, But what does it
mean for the third rounder?
Speaker 6 (16:44):
Well, I mean, I know there's whatever. There's some type
of rumor that they're possibly going to trade Dylan Gabriel.
You know, he's got to give to the football field.
He's you know, hopefully getting healthy. Now get back out there. Look,
they're going to keep three quarterbacks. I think they'll they'll
keep Joe Flaccos, they'll keep the two rookies, and they'll
let the things play out over time. There's no rush
here for Cleveland. They're wanting to see both guys kind
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of progress and see what they can do. But for
whatever reason, Cleveland has the injury at quarterback and it
just can't get away from it. We've seen this before,
right with the Ravens, you know again at the corner.
But the Ravens have had that kind of an injury
situation where you've seen the Ravens and the running backs
all went down or that you know, now the dbs
are going down for the Ravens for whatever horrible event.
For the Cleveland Browns, it's now their quarterback position can't
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stay healthy.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
So, I mean, we have you mentioned Deshaun Watson who's
like training coming back from achilles tear that he eat
tore and then re injured as he was rehabbing. Everyone
who's a Cleveland Brown quarterback seems to be injured. Okay,
let's let's scatter around the league a little bit. There's
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growing concern at least when you read when you watch
about Caleb Williams. What have you heard in regards to
how they feel like he's doing with a new system
in Chicago.
Speaker 6 (18:00):
But they're gonna There's not much they can say but
that they're hopeful, like they think that things are going
to go well. Obviously it sounds like the starters are
playing again this week and the Caleb's going to get
out there and show what he can do. You know, well,
we'll know Doug and oats hard you know, watching a practice, uh,
you know, you know, saying things hasn't been the best
of press conferences. You haven't heard the jade and Daniel's like, Wow,
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look at how hard he's worked and he's put all
this effort in. It's just kind of like, Okay, you know,
we've got to figure out what we can do with
this guy. You know, this is a make or break yere.
He's been out there on the field last year, he's
now on the field this year. You know, I've always
said I've always worried if he's going to put enough
time into it. I'm sure he's put good time into it.
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I really as a former GM and anything, I just
I want to see him in the regular season. I
want to see how he reacts, how much is he grown,
because you as we all know, like year one to
year two is the leap for players. It just is
because the fact is they're not worried about vertical jumps,
are not worried about forty times and not on these visits,
sorts of these different you know, of you know, pro
teams trying to figure out who likes him. They're focused
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on the playbook and how to learn it and how
to grow. And so if Caleb Williams comes it out
and starts slow, it's a huge concern that they've got
this quarterback picked wrong. But if it comes out and
he plays consistent, because again he played good comparatively to
Trevor Lawrence, is for sure Caleb Williams played well. It's
just that we've got him on a pedestal and there's
so much potential there in a tough division. We'll see
if you can take the next step. I'm concerned because
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I never felt like he could in the first place.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
I don't disagree with you, But the one thing that
rubs me the wrong way mark about this is Ben
Johnson's got his new deal because first year, you know,
five year contract, Ryan Poles now gets an extension to line.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Up with that.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Why so quick to move off of Caleb considering how
much of a disaster last year was, Like, how can
we really take last year and count it against him?
Considering Shane Waldron was dismissed mid season, eber Flus is gone,
you know, in his first year, Like how much can
we really hold last year against.
Speaker 6 (19:59):
Caleb william a little bit? And that's what I said.
Did not agree with you, Dan, I think that when
you watched last year's overall production, I think because Jane
Daniels played so well, we kind of like Caleb really struggled.
Caleb actually played pretty good as a rookie, you know,
as as with everything that you're talking about and how
he performed. Just like I said, the trick is does
he take a step in a Ben Johnson offense. It's
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just that it hasn't felt warm and fuzzy, right, It
hasn't felt like everyone's kind of wrapped their arms around Caleb,
like this has been amazing and we're really excited. It's
been more of a little bit hands off, like we're
working progress or you know, we're trying to get more consistent,
you know those kind of things. So you just read
the tea leaves and say, okay, let's see. I mean,
Caleb Williams was starting quarterback for this year and probably
next year, no matter what, because you take a guy
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in one overall, you're going to give him every shot.
I mean, I remember the GM. I drafted a corner
in the third round and he got four years to
try to become starting cornerback. If you'd have been drafted
in the sixth round, I probably would have cut Hmack
for the first year and tried to put him on
the practice squad. Said where your Caken gives you that
opportunity to stay longer, and even if it's frustrating for
fans they go as a bum. Well, you know what,
Ryan Foles can get fired too. It's like players get
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cut after one year of a you know, an extension
a GM doesn't mean that they're going to stay just
because they got an extension. Owners can afford to you know,
eat these contracts like never before. You know, ten years ago,
it was hard to you know, if you did an
extension for a player to move away from that player.
Now you can ease the manipulate it through this hour
cap and where the numbers are.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
JJ McCarthy, what's the what's the reaction up there?
Speaker 6 (21:29):
Yeah? You know, it's it feels like it's been good.
You know, I didn't if everything feels like it's like, okay,
you know, he's going to be able to do it
a little bit. I've watched and the practice throws. You know,
I've been very encouraged by where he's putting the ball
and the way he's you know, decisions he's making. I
think it's good. You know, do do I think it's like, wow,
you know, we have another Jane Daniels. I don't know
about that, but I certainly feel like, just like Chicago
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should have hope, I think they have hope in Minnesota.
It hasn't been you know, all this doom and gloomer
like what's wrong with JJ McCarthy. It's more of like
we just want to see it. But from what it
feels like, I think they're in a good spot to
kind of.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Take a bird's eye of you. Mark Dominic joining us
here on the Dan Patrick Show on Fox Sports Radio.
If you look at that whole division, So you got
Detroit now with two new coordinators. We just talked Vikings
and Bears. Now Jordan Love's got a thumb deal with
the Packers as you see it right now, Where do
you stand with the four teams in placing as we're
a couple of weeks away from the start of the
regular Yeah.
Speaker 6 (22:24):
It's an amazing division. You know, it feels like Minnesota
and Chicago are you know, are battling for who's going
to end up third or fourth? And it feels to
me like Green Bay and Detroit as good as Minnesota
was last year. I just feel like Detroit depending on,
you know, the health of that defensive line and if
it can come back, is the key to the difference,
right And so I like the Packers though. I like
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Jeff Hafley what he's done on defense. You talk about
a coordinator, he's been able to stay there and now
the guys understand what he's asking to do. You've got consistency.
It's a quarterback spot. You've got all these young guys
growing up together. I like what the Packers are. I
think they're not above Detroit as good as Detroit isn't
Either one of those two teams can represent the NFC
in the Super Bowl in my opinion. But I'm going
to lean towards the Packers because I just love the
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way they've built this roster and it's all growing up
together at the same time, and it feels like a
team that's going to be relevant for the next four
or five years for sure. And I believe in Jordan
Love and I think that he's got a chance to,
you know, take his game to another level. And so
with Luke Musgrave back, you know now, with you know,
Matthew Golden, I just think that the points are going
to be very hard to overcome for the Packers because
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they're going to score enough. I mean, opponents are gonna
have hard time putting up the amount of points that
I think the Packers can.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Okay, Matt Stafford, what's your read on on the Rams quarterback.
Speaker 6 (23:41):
I think they're just being very cautious, right, They got
to get him to week one, so they're just going
to like, you know, say what we need to hear,
you know, everything but Matt Stafford, to me, will walk
out the ton of Week one and play quarterbacks of
the Rams. He won't play in the preseason. This is
stents Embeddans opportunity to show that he's worth the fourth
ront pick and can be the number two. But Stafford,
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I think will be fine. I don't think this is
something that's going to continue to linger out. I think
it's just one of those things that they're being overly
cautious with them because they understand the whole season that
is relying on him.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
What is their view of this year? Because this has
been my thing with the Rams. Doug's heard me say it,
Jason's heard me say it. I think they were close
last year on the scoreboard in beating Philadelphia. I don't
know how close they were, But now in the NFL,
it seems like if you have a shot, do it.
It's why I thought they brought Stafford back. How close
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are they And for a team that less need has
been a mover and shaker, they got two number ones
in twenty twenty six. Would there ever be a point
where they would be like, all right, Stafford's not healthy.
Maybe maybe we look in another way at the Rams
kind of their big picture.
Speaker 6 (24:49):
Yeah, I think I think they've got to. They're trying
to stay in that window with the most difficult position
at all. Right, we see teams a lot of times
like Josh Allen's going to it now, right, the Bills
have since spent a fortune of money trying to keep
the crew together, and then what's going to happen is
those guys are going to come out and now they're
going to try to do it again. Patch Mahomes is
(25:09):
on the second wave of that right now. Right in
terms of like he's coming to the league. They had
a shot to go to get Super Bowls and then
they had to like readjust their roster and now they're
doing that right now in Kansas City and they're still relevant.
The Rams are the kind of that they've readjusted the roster,
except the quarterback as the aged one instead of the
younger guy like the Mahomes or Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson.
And so I think the reason why they have two
(25:30):
number one is that they know that next year's draft
they've got to do something and they know they have
to do it at that position, and so they got
the extra ammunition to be able to do that. I
think they've planned on that this is Stafford's last season
and that's why I think they're being safe with them.
But I think the building blocks are there. This team
does have a very young, explosive defense. It's very exciting,
(25:50):
you know. Getting the running back taken care of it
a club friendly deal huge for them. So I think
that you'll see them change that position out through the draft.
I don't think they'll go for the veteran, like take
the and go get a veteran or or somebody that's
been somewhere else. I think they'll pick their own guy
in the twenty twenty sixth draft to be the next
starter for the Rams.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
James cook signds a four year extension, and this is
a it's a weird one, right because he's only in
He's only in year four of a five year rookie contract.
And I thought the is very telling that the agent's name,
we're in the tweet and chapter's tweet, right, so hey
with us, we went out there, we did this. It's
(26:27):
it says thirty million dollars guaranteed when you have that
fifth year option out there, right, So he was going
to get paid more money next year. Anyway, what do
you think the details actually look like in terms of
this extension for a guy who was back to back
thousand yard seasons.
Speaker 6 (26:42):
Yeah, so you know, James actually owners the rookie deal.
It's a four year deal, that's what it is. The
next year would be the franchise tag for him. You know,
first round is obviously get the fifth year option for them.
So James was, you know, he's going into his last
season and what's in front of him is that franchise tag,
(27:03):
which is a significant number. To me, the holding was
pointless if they're going to sign four years for eight million.
I think that was on the table the whole time.
I don't think there's any way that wasn't on the table.
I think the Bills just put their heels in and say, hey, look,
take it or leave it. And I think what really
happened behind the scenes was James Cooks was trying to
get sixteen to eighteen a year and the Bills were laughing,
going we're not giving you that. We're just it's not
(27:24):
gonna happen. I mean, think of it this way, Zach Killer,
who's the agent for you know, James Cook was Dalvin Cook.
So Dalvin Cook's agent. Right when Dalvin Cook did his
deal with the Minnesota Vikings five years ago, Dalvin Cook
got more money than James Cook got today when the
salar caps jumped sixty seventy million. So this is not
(27:45):
a great deal. This is nothing to beat your chest on.
You know, he's the agents trying to say, hey, well,
James always envisioned himself as a Buffalo Bill. That's why
we had to do it. Neil Baloney. He took the
deal that they put in front of you. You were
scared to play it out, which I understand. I'm not
gonna be mad at James Cook. It's forty eight million
potential dollars, but the reality is he left three to
four million dollars on the field if he goes to
(28:07):
free agency next year, because I think somebody pays him
fifteen to sixteen million. But good, good for Buffalo Bill's
good for James Cook. But it's not one where the
agent should beating his chess. Then I did a good job,
because it's just it's just kind of a deal at
the ramback spot where it's good money. Again to the
average American, it's like huge money, but to the running
back market. By these last extensions you know, Karen Williams
(28:28):
obviously in the Rams and now James Cook, they continue
to push that market's going down. It's only eleven twelve
million a year. That's kind of what the market is.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
I guess, yeah, no, that was more My point, Mark
is that I think because of the success of Saquon
Barkley and Josh Jacobs and and guys that had come
to contract impasses Derrick Henry, there's this thought, oh, it's
going to change the running back market, and then Saquon
gets you know, they tear up his deal and reup it. Like, No,
it's pretty much the same. The evaluation is the same,
(29:00):
and if anything, it's actually lower because, as you point out,
the salary cap as jumped substantially.
Speaker 6 (29:04):
You just have to dog you have as a running back.
I know it's hard as an agent. It's easy for
us to sit here and talk about it. You have
to get to free agency, have thirty one other clubs
bit on you, or you're going to take the eleven
to twelve million dollars deal because that's what CLSE are
going to offer. So you've got to just decide what
do you want to do. Do you want to get
paid or do you want to see what your value is?
Two different things. Running backs, if they really want to
(29:25):
get paid, they've got to get to free agency at
a young age like they are, Like James Cooker Williams
would be would have been No again, No, they got
to secure their bag. They want to get their money.
I can get it, No big deal. But we're not
going to see a market change until somebody pushes John
Flipon says I'm going to free agency.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
That's Mark Domini, former Gentlem manager Tampay Buccaneers. You can
hear them weekly in the Doug Gottlib Show. Mark you
the best man. Appreciate you getting up for us.
Speaker 6 (29:47):
Thanks for having me on. Guys.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
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Speaker 2 (30:00):
Good morning to you. I hope you're having a great summer.
For many people like my son Hayes, can't be listened
to the show because he's got his first day of
school high school kicking off a lot of kids getting
dropped off at their universities. We discussed this like last week, Like,
I don't know, maybe i'm maybe my parents were old school,
(30:20):
but I don't remember anybody taking me to school. Just
bye bye. Felt like that old Saturday Night Live skit,
bye bye bye, bye byebye. But this is the Dan
Patrick Show on Fox Sports Tradio. Okay, uh, Taylor Shrip
was on with the Kelsey's On podcast, So there's a
lot to it. Dan, I thought you brought up a
(30:43):
bunch of interesting points, but maybe the most interesting was
who does this serve? Right? Like, who does it serve?
What's the what is the point? Why is she doing this?
And what do you think that the answer is? I was.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
I watched the almost entirety of the two minute after
the two hour episode, I towards the end, I just
kind of fast forward a little bit. But it was
on for two hours last night, and even at the
end of that, Doug I wondered, all, right, did Taylor
do this to bring her fans into the football world?
Was it to get football fans to appreciate Taylor Swift?
Speaker 6 (31:17):
Where?
Speaker 3 (31:18):
What was the reason behind this? Ultimately, I think it
shook down to as we talked it out, I think
it was probably a safe space for Taylor to say
what she wanted to say and to reveal her album
and to do it in a neat way with the
person that she loves. So ultimately maybe it was just
to serve themselves. But record numbers watching it and millions
(31:40):
of people when it went live yesterday afternoon or I
think evening in some parts of the country. But I
had wondered of what was the reason for it, even
after watching the two hours, and ultimately I think it
was just good for Travis and Taylor.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Yeah, I think that's what it was. I think it
was it gives America a look at sort of America's couple,
right and Jay stu It took him probably six to
nine months to go to come off of the it's
a fake relationship argument. And to anybody who thought it was,
(32:16):
then you watch you watch yesterday, You can watch now
online and be like, not, okay, that works. You know
that there, that's a real thing. I do think that
oftentimes we think there's a strategy involved. It's a lot
like here's the parallel I'm gonna drive. I have a
really good friend who worked with the president in his
(32:39):
first term, and his thing was anybody who thinks that
when he comes out with some new plan that there's
that they've they've workshopped it or whatever, that there's a
whole plan in place, Like that's not how he operates.
It's just not, oh, there's this master plan with the economy,
like no, not really just has an idea. Somebody proposes
(33:03):
an idea, thinks it's a good idea, It gets committed to,
it goes and does it, even if it may contradict
an idea he had a couple weeks ago. And I
think that's what's at play here with the Kelseys is
she probably always wanted to do it right, and everybody's
always why don't ever do that podcast? Why don't you
ever do a podcast? Like we only see you guys
taking pictures in a club or a concert or a
(33:25):
football game like a podcast. It's just a conversation. It's
super like you've talked people into being a podcast, Like
I don't know, And then you get the dates arrive, Hey,
let's do it now for the season to get out
of the way, and we'll just talk and we'll you know,
talk music, talk some football, let people know who we are,
and that's it. Is there a benefit to the Kelsey's Yes,
(33:47):
is there a benefit to her? Yes? But I I
and I could be wrong, And maybe it's because I
believe in the good and people first and foremost that
I don't think everybody has some master plan on how
to manipulate likes and how to manipulate downloads and what
it means for your music career. Like she's a billionaire,
(34:07):
She's the most popular female artist in the country, period stop.
He is a multi time super Bowl champion, a Pro
Football Hall of Famer. Like, they don't need much more,
they don't need even attention, but it's just their way
of Like people probably don't think she likes her as
into football. You watch that, you listen to that, and
(34:31):
you understand that she's doing what every great partner should do,
which is she's fallen in love with what her partner does.
What it comes down to, So that I.
Speaker 7 (34:47):
Became like a person who was running through the halls
of my house screaming, we drafted Xavier or Worthy And
my ords are like, what is who body snatched you this?
What do you mean we drafted Worthy or Worthy?
Speaker 2 (35:04):
I forget where it was, but you were the first
person to tell me.
Speaker 7 (35:06):
That I was screeching. I couldn't believe it. I was
freaking out.
Speaker 6 (35:12):
We're talking about like, I'm like, wait, does she she right?
I had to look this up.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
I'm like, she, does she get the wrong information here?
Speaker 6 (35:19):
We trade it up?
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Yeah, you know, I will. I'm gonna just top in
one thing. This is where you're like a real person.
I like when you when you superstars are real people.
She said it's Xavier, but she says Exavier, it's like
a personal pet peeve. But forever reason it's charming because
it makes her seem like a real person that she
has there are things about her that aren't perfect and
that she's learning.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Yeah, you know, like like so it's a mistake, that's okay,
not a big deal. And yes, I thought that was
I thought it was. I thought it was great as well.
And it wasn't a pick that was or a news
item that was so obvious. There was a little bit
of of nuance in it, or a little bit of
inside that you'd have to be a Chiefs fan to
(36:00):
really get excited about.
Speaker 7 (36:03):
We're talking about cover two, cover four, cover zero, man
cover We're talking we're learning I continue to learn.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Maybe somebody else that even knows what those coverages are.
Speaker 7 (36:12):
Yeah, I'm not ready to be an analyst right now,
but give me sixteen months.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Yeah, that's that's He's been on his iPad and they've
been sitting there at home and he's watching and she
wants to know. I think it's awesome.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
Something something tells me that he has been doing the
same thing like I. I reached Taylor Swift and Kelsey
fatigue way early into this, and I've almost come around.
I was very interested to watch last night. I'm very
I was very impressed or startled surprised by how genuine
they are. They're like two giddy teenagers. I love Love.
(36:51):
I like watching Love. But I also think that he
reciprocates that because he's had us fooled this whole time
into thinking that he loves her Mutuo. I thought he
was just saying it to be a good boyfriend. But
I think he also likes her music, which goes a
long way with me, because I don't like her music
at all. It does nothing for me. It's not for me.
(37:12):
It's for teenage girls. But he seems to just as
she has dived into the football, I think he's actually
embracing her music. Too, which is a surprise to me.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Stan Patrick Schelle here on Fox Sports Training, I heard
Ready w Apple ahead.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
And I don't I do think her music is for everyone,
not just for teenage girls. It's just Jason may not
like it. I will say that I thought Travis. Travis
felt like the third wheel at times because I think
he's used to him, him and his brother going back
and forth, but understanding that this was Taylor's opportunity that he,
(37:50):
you know, was gonna let her shine and would sprinkle
in things. But it wasn't a back and forth. It
was a back and forth between really Jason and Taylor.
And I thought Jason did a really good job. And
I know that there's some editing that's done, but it's
not it's not sneaky editing at all. You know where
the cuts are, you know where the places where they've
they've stopped and started again. But Jason asked this question
(38:13):
to her, which I thought was great, and I give
them credit. Jason just asked, how did it work when
you were trying to get your masters back? Like, can
you tell me the difference between what you know our
publishing rights and what aren't? And she laid it out
for him, and it was like a real music interview,
(38:33):
and she explained of like what she could do and
what she couldn't do, and why it was important for
her to get those master recordings, and why it may
not be for every single artist. And I actually thought
that that part of it, aside from them promoting and
talking about their relationship, was actually an informative part of
the podcast.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Yeah, it was. It's look, I think it's fascinating to understand,
to have people understand business that they never understood before. Right,
I've had that conversation with a buddy of mine about
masters and about selling him and about holding on to him.
And so when I heard that part was I was intrigued.
But I did know a lot of it. Again, I
(39:16):
just thought I thought it was a win. But it
wasn't set out. They didn't set out to win, right,
They didn't set out to win. They just set out
that I want to do a podcast, let's do it.
That's how it felt. It felt very natural.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
There is something that I do think is I don't
contrive to such a negative connotation. But Travis is on
the cover of GQ. I mentioned this earlier, but Jason
at the start of the podcast, Jason Kelsey said, we
told you where we were going to be back August
twenty seventh. Instead we've got a surprise. We're going to
do this August thirteenth. Obviously, that dropping helps Taylor, maybe
(39:50):
helps GQ helps Travis. But Travis, within this GQ article,
talked about how his play over the last couple of
years slipped, and he says that he let his media responsibilities,
doing an FX show, hosting a game show on Amazon,
he let those things get in the way of his play. Now, yesterday, Doug,
(40:12):
after your show, I was in with Carrie Rhodes on
Cavino and Ridge, and Carrie was an all pro and
spend eight years in the league, says I just think
he's lost a step. I don't think he has it
anymore like he once did. And I think this is
all cover up and hearing what Carry said, and I
didn't necessarily disagree with Carrie. In the podcast that aired
(40:33):
last night with Taylor, Travis talked about traveling the world
and said that in Taylor brought up the point that
Travis had talked about going to different countries and Taylor's like, yeah, well, hello,
I am going on a tour we can go to
all of those countries, and so that's what they did
in the summer of twenty twenty four. Travis was with
her in Europe during those spots or going to different places.
(40:57):
That wasn't mentioned in the GQ article of the focusing
on football. And by the way, it would be okay,
Travis Kelsey's accomplished enough in his NFL career. He doesn't
need to play another down. He's going into the Hall
of Fame. But it was interesting to me to hear
him say that his TV stuff took him away, But
the relationship stuff with Taylor and being in Europe and
(41:18):
doing these different things were not a reason on why
maybe his play slip last year, which you disagree with.
I just don't know how it helps, you know, Like
I was when he went to Argentina two years ago, Yes,
during the bye week, I just thought, that's crazy. The
big joke is the NFL is now like we'll just
go to South America once a year. We'll just we'll
(41:41):
go there too, So maybe it looks a little bit normal,
But I didn't think that that was the great move
for Travis and preparing for the Chiefs. They ultimately go
on and win the Super Bowl, so it didn't have
an effect. But again, none of this has an effect,
and it's okay if it did. He's at the end
of his career. But it's just it's never brought up
as maybe a reason, no, why not the relationship, but
(42:02):
just the stuff that comes with the relationship. You're in
a different phase of your life, a different part of
your life. But he's pointed out single about the TV shows,
but nothing in terms of the travel that he may
have done with his girlfriend.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
I would say this that inevitably, inevitably, there will be
some form of negativity towards it. Right. There always is,
And here's how I would take that negativity right, because
it's it's not good. I don't think it's going to
be anybody who matters. I think it'll be the the
(42:38):
bots or the fingers on social media that matters. Okay,
But remember, in order to watch this or listen to this,
you have to seek it out, right, you have to
seek it out. So you can say I don't care
about them, Okay, well then don't listen and don't watch.
It's fine. There'll be deal like they'll be. They'll be fine.
(42:59):
So if you say, hey, I watched I listened to One,
I think it'd be really hard to come away and
think it's not a real relationship. It's pretty much impossible.
And two they both seem really likable because Travis does
suddenly take a back seat, which I think he probably likes.
He's always been the center of attention. Now it's kind
of cool to have a girls set of attention, Like
that's that's dope. He can just kind of he can
(43:20):
just gotta be the arm candy. And then three, like again,
the most important thing when somebody says like, dude, I
listened to that podcast. Wait so you sought out that podcast,
downloaded it, listen to it, and then you're like, yeah,
I'm not into them, Like okay, that's you just you
want the attention that you think they're trying to get.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
Here's why I don't think it's going to uh backfire
on him or in any way or it's going to
matter is if he plays well this year, then he's right.
And all the work that he's done with the speed
and agility coach work this offseason and guess what it
was the TV shows Travis identified the problem and addressed it.
And if it doesn't work, and if he has another
(44:01):
down season, he's just old and his better days are
behind him. I don't think that this is going to
come up, and again, I don't think it matters. I
don't think it's a big deal. But it's just funny
because it sounds a little hypocritical by Travis to say
it was the TV shows and my attention to that
as opposed to being away for a month and traveling
(44:23):
throughout Europe.
Speaker 4 (44:24):
I thought it took like balls for him to admit that,
and for him to admit it on GQ. It wasn't
like a sports mag per se or a sports article
or a reporter, but it took balls. And I think
that only a guy who's had his career already could
say I was distracted last season as my team was
(44:45):
trying to win a third straight Super Bowl. Doug, you
talk about the negativity and the bots and everything. I
think a Chief Saan would have an actual grievance to
be like, wait a minute, you're admitting to being distracted
as we were trying to set history last year. What's
going on here? And I think Kerry Rhades is probably right.
I think that's his way of not admitting that he's
lost a step, but I think it takes balls and
(45:06):
it's almost refreshing to hear a guy actually admit I
was distracted. How many athletes through the years, including Lebron James,
have said there's nothing to that. It's always about the basketball.
Everything else is sidebar. Travis Kelcey actually admitting this, I
think kind of puts him out there for criticism, don't
you think, Doug.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
I do Again, I didn't hear the entire podcast. So
were the TV shows he's talking about last year or
he's talking about in previous years? Because he did the
big reality show he did was like, yes, ten years
ago meant more than that. I was about ten years ago.
I was the CBS at the time, and where he
dated thirty two women in the offseason. I thought that's
what he was referring to, not to last year.
Speaker 3 (45:47):
No, So he didn't mention any of the TV stuff
in the podcast with Taylor yesterday in the New New
Heights episode. It was in the GQ article where it
was pointed out the FX show and the show that
he did on Amazon that those were the shows, because
I guess there's multiple episodes with the Amazon show, and
maybe I wasn't familiar with the FX show, but those
were specifically pointed out as shows that he did.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
The was it what is it? Something Kelsey is keeping Kelsey?
I forget what it's called. On the Amazon show, which
was pretty good.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
And this is a different Amazon it was. This was
a different This was like a game show that he
hosted that he ended up being the host. But the
dating show that he did was yeah, that he wasn't
alluding to that that was a decade or are.
Speaker 4 (46:29):
You smarter than a celebrity? Was the Amazon Prime show?
Speaker 2 (46:32):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (46:32):
And I wanted to say his dating show is he
didn't he date a woman from every state? Wasn't it
the Kelsey fifty or something stupid like that?
Speaker 2 (46:38):
Something like that? Or was it thirty two? I can't remember? Wait,
so when was the when was the game show?
Speaker 3 (46:43):
Was Chasing Kelsey? I think that the game show was
last the last offseason twenty twenty four.
Speaker 4 (46:49):
Okay, so fifty women from fifty states vibe for the
heart of a pro football player Chasing Kelsey twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
Yeah, nine years ago. I was I was close close
my ears. I remember I interviewed him like he was
you know, you talk about you talk about a guy
who you had I had no idea would reach superstar
status nine years ago. Think about how his life changed
when Pat Mahomes became his quarterback.
Speaker 4 (47:12):
We were at the super Bowl, maybe it was Los Angeles,
I forget which super Bowl, and Doug and I are
prepping for the show, and all of a sudden, I hear, hey, Doug, Doug.
Somebody trying to get Doug's attention. Who's being walked by
a publicist the other way? And I look over. It's
Travis Kelcey trying to get Doug Gottlieb's attention as he
used He used.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
To come out all the time. And we talked basketball
because he played basketball Cincinnati, and we have some like
mutual mutual friends. And you know, I likeain to go
from that, like I have his number, I've never haven't
texted him in years. I have no idea if he
has the same number, if he'd even know who you know,
new phone, who dish? But yeah, I mean media like ridiculous,
(47:51):
ridiculous went from hey, yeah, I know yea to these
in the names you know in the NFL non quarterbacks,
he's top five in any conversation correct, yes, and then
after this podcast and after you know, now obviously a
long standing relationship with Taylor Swift, the most don't by proxy.
(48:16):
So so that's that's an unbelievable rise, unbelievablerise
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
Welcome in, Good morning to you. It's Dan Patrick Show,
Fox Sports Radio. iHeartRadio app. Do Do Do Do Do, Do,
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I'm Doug Gottlieb, the Doug Gottlieb Show crew, sitting in
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for Dan and the Dan Nuts here as we get
ready for football season. While we continue to ride out
the wave of the Brewers winning streak. Uh, the Angels
winning streak. Huh, you can put a halo on that
one as the angel sweep the Dodgers. I'm sure there's
other stuff going on in sports, and we're gonna get
to this Shador Sanders topic in one second. I do
(00:47):
think that there's this is a real thing, Dan, I
think this year has been a abject disaster for the
w NBA from this standpoint. Well, you can be the
most ardent WNBA. I can't stand the women and how
they treat Caitlyn Clark, or how the level of play
(01:09):
or the promotion of it, or putting them on ads
instead of NBA players or whatever. There's plenty of guys
out there that feel that way, right, But their main
attraction is Caitlyn Clark. She has not played during the
meat of summer, and by the time she comes back
(01:29):
and plays, football is being played and zero people care
about the WNBA. Now there's and there was a there's
a growing following. And I'm just telling you, like that
last summer, not putting her on the Olympic team was messy.
It probably helped her personally as she it was just
(01:51):
too much of a whirlwind and she got kind of
got her stuff together for the playoff run, but it
did not promote the sport. And then the one woman
that drives ratings to the sport isn't playing all summer
and she'll come back and play. By the time she
comes back, some plays, it's the end of August, We're
onto football. College football starts in with two weeks.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
It's over.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yeah, Like you want to talk about missing a window, Right's.
I was thinking about that last time. I was like, Hey,
what's missing? Why has there been zero to talk about
for like three weeks outside of Chador or whatever. And
I know it's usually this way, but I'd landed on Hey,
(02:31):
last summer we were talking about Olympics, WNBA Caitlin Clark,
and she's very much still alive, still playing basketball, but
injured right now during the one time of year and
nothing else is going on that anybody wants talk about it.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
And here's the scary thing. College football is a week
from Saturday away because of week zero, the full schedule
obviously coming up with August twenty eight, two weeks from today,
and then obviously on Saturday, August thirtieth, we get a
full slate of games. But Doug, to your point point
about the WNBA, I don't think any storyline was able
(03:04):
to grow. And I thought maybe we were gonna get that.
I thought we were maybe going to get more players
receptive to Caitlin Clark. We saw Sophie Cunningham make a
name for herself, and she made quite a name for
herself in sticking up for her. But I thought something
was interesting when the Connecticut Sun played the Fever and
they moved a game to Boston, and this was after
(03:25):
the little melee that they had earlier in the season,
and I'm like, this could be good for the WNBA
to get Connecticut Sun fans, maybe to be a rival
of the Indiana Fever that did not happen. There was
no ability to make a rivalry with Page Beckers and
the Dallas team because Caitlin Clark hasn't been available. Nothing
was able to progress this year, and if anything, maybe
(03:48):
it took a step back because we see that it
is so Caitlin Clark driven.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Don't you think that the contrast has been offered up though?
Because Doug's point that it's been a disaster for the WNBA,
can you make a case that it's been a net
positive for Caitlyn Clark and that she proved in her
absence how valuable she is to an entity. This coming
off of her declining to do that stupid three on
(04:14):
three league, coming off of get A not being included
on the Olympic team. This whole Sophie Cunningham storyline is
all about her protecting Kitlin Clark. That's her brand. She's
gotten the podcast, she's gotten the ad time because of
protecting Kitlin Clark. So maybe a disaster for the w
the other part to it, but net positive for Kaitlin Clark.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
There's another part to the Sophie Cunningham right. She's an
attractive woman that plays basketball right, and she's flirty with
with how she looks at the camera. So I mean,
I think, but yes, being white and straight too, yeah,
all those things, all those things were, all those things were.
But I think most of it is that the part,
it's the connection. She's she's, you want to, riding the
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way of Caitlyn Clark, or she's catching some of that
whitewash of Caitlin Clark along with you know, being attractive
and you know, being completely different from what our images
of WNBA players was for the past twenty five years,
which has allowed us to hyper focus on a fifth
round pick at quarterback. Right, it's like we just we
(05:22):
have to pay attention to something. And I even think,
like the Micah Parsons thing, because because the Cowboys thing
happens every single year, right, every single year, it's like, hey,
who can we cocorate some sort of salary drama. We
know Jerry's ultimately gonna pay him. Let's ask for an
obscene amount of money. Maybe it's not the time, maybe
(05:42):
it's not the place. And then Mike Parson's really good.
Cowboys aren't but they're not terrible. You're gonna pay him.
He's doing a hold in. He's really under contract for
three more years without negotiation if they want to, so
it's gonna get done. It was kind of agreed to.
Then the agent was like, Yo, anyway, I think people
are completely over talking about the Cowboys, Like, let me
(06:05):
know when the Cowboys lose late in the season and
fall out of the playoffs so I can make fun
of them, or let me know if they get to
the playoffs and lose early so I can make fun
of them. But I've seen this movie. I know how
it ends. So instead we're hyper focusing on Shador Sanders,
which brings us to Dan Byer. Your thought on Shador.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Yeah, So earlier in the week, Doug, I just made
the point that with the music playing in week one
of a preseason game where he hadn't gotten a lot
of snaps with film crew following him around, that those
were the things that I didn't think NFL teams wanted
to deal with or felt that there was a lot
of extra with Shador, and which was one of the
(06:43):
reasons why he fell in the NFL draft, And for
as great as he played on that Friday night against Carolina,
it was everything that was extra about it that was
the reason or that I felt that he fell in
the draft, and none of that had changed, so there
wasn't an opportunity for Shador Sanders to maybe do things
(07:04):
a bit different. The reason why he fell to the
fifth round, I felt was because of everything that was
extra with him that teams didn't want to deal with.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Yeah, yeah, I actually I'll draw a comp to what
we went through last year. You know, you get the
job late and we're on what's called APR probation APR probation,
So APR probation, we can only practice five instead of
six days a week, and those four hours of practice
time that we lost have to be mandatory study hall
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for your team, right, And it's not because of my team.
It's like two years previous team was an academic disaster. Anyway,
The point was that when we every player we took,
we had to take with the mindset of, okay, what
happens if he flunks out. We can't have a guy
flunk out because you have a certain number of points.
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You know, everybody has to be eligible, and then if
they leave, they have to go find a school, has
to be a four year school. There's all these rules
with they have to get a certain GPA in order
to transfer to a four year school to a junior college,
they're a freshman to another school. They got to get
a you know, a two point five, otherwise they hurt
you academically. So we had to evaluate who we take
(08:20):
based upon how hard they were to get rid of.
That makes sense, yes, And I think that was a
real thing for Shador Sanders, which was, you know, he
clearly blew off a bunch of these meetings and was
disengaged and frankly rude. Everybody says it. I've heard from
real NFL people that it was in many ways worse
(08:41):
just because this was their way of I don't want
to be drafted by that team. And you know, coaches
everyone talks to everyone in the industry, they just do.
So then word got out that Shador Sanders was a
complete jerk in these meetings, and then you start to
factor in, Okay, well I might like him, but Dion's
(09:04):
gonna want my job because he wants to coach his kid.
And oh yeah, by the way, you're gonna have a
film crew, you're gonna have his boys. You have a
kid that comes from a kid that comes from money.
So there's the perception, whether it's real or not, that
he's arrogant that he's entitled. Nobody wants entitled on a
sports team, especially from a guy who's not a first
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round draft pick. You know, and then you have to
factor in your mind, Okay, what happens if we cut him?
Because that's a big reason Kaepernick. There's lots of reasons
Kaepernick was never back in the NFL. Okay, he didn't
want to be a backup, and he was at the
point in his career where he had to be a
backup and then potentially earn it or get a little luck.
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Guy gets hurt and then you get an opportunity. But
it was the big part was and I talked to
a GM I remember at the time, said it's not
that if I bring him in, it'll be great, It'll
be well received. He's a talented guy. He's probably a
backup stage in his career. You know, he's not great
at reading a defense. Remember he can only scramble out
to his right. There's a lot of things that but
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it was what happens if I cut him? If I
cut him, I get me called a racist. I gotta
lose half my locker room. What happens for Shador Sanders
if we cut him. You know what what happens? What
how are we received? Do we do? We look like
clowns for taking this guy on? So I yeah, I
do see that. I I completely agreed with your take,
(10:29):
which is the the play on the fuel was fine.
It was good. It was good. I still don't know
how good an army has, right, it's still against but whatever, Like,
let's not diminish. It was good. Sure, I agree, But
it's the you show up and you're a fifth round
pick and you're fourth in the depth chart, and you
got a dude bring in music, hold another guy holding
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your bag, get like, what what are we doing? That's
not how quarterback is played in the NFL. Quarterback it's
very much like a political position where you got to
rally everybody behind you and you got it the same
reason that politicians they go and do they go to
these like diners or they go get ice cream, and
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they always you know what they always wear. They always
wear a blue button noun dress shirt. They don't wear
a tie, and they roll up their sleeves. Right now,
all these guys are ridiculously rich. Trump's the only one
to be like, I'm rich. I'm wearing my stuff. I'm
wearing the same suit every day. Like I don't even
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know if he has like any you know, anything else
to wear, but all these other politicians they do because
that's the job. You're supposed to look like the everyman. Right,
I'm just roll up my sleeves, no tie. Right, I'm
one of you. Like what. But that's where And there's
definitely a section of fans that think that this is
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about things that it's not about. That's just hey, hey,
it's a young black man trying to trying to, you know,
push the envelope what's acceptable, Like, well, there's the young
black man was drafted number one overall quarterback this year,
Like what do we do? It's happened ten times. It's
not about that. It's about the appearance of being humble,
not entitled, and motivated to prove everybody wrong. Right, And
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that part he's obviously motivated to prove everybody wrong, but
it's the delivery still feels like he doesn't actually get it,
and it Bill hasn't actually got.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
It, and it feels like that he wants to do
it on his own terms. And the point that I
will stand by and I don't take anything back for
what I said was, it's also a little bit of
an indictment on the NFL. But again, the NFL and
these teams are in charge. So when you're applying for
a job or going for a job, you want to
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be able to show your worth and fit in. And
I just found it surprising instead of carrying a veteran's
stuffel bag into the locker room like a rookie normally
would that, another teammate of his was playing Shador's own
song in week one of a preseason game, and I
just I it was surprising to me, and it felt
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like it was a lot and at that point, like
if it was week one of a regular season game
where he had won the job, maybe there's something to that.
Maybe at that point you can do it. But I
just felt, in week one of a preseason game, do
you need your own soundtrack walking into the stadium? And
I just didn't think so. I thought the Tony Grossi
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interview that was recorded, which Tony ended up approaching Shador,
but Tony didn't know that they were recording. That's another
aspect of it. It's not that the NFL is Scott
free and it's all blamed on Shador. But that's where
you would think a lot of the responses came from
that Shador is the victim and in all of this
and what's happening in Cleveland because he was the one
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that was taken in the fifth round, that he's the
one that's not getting the first team reps. Like that's sports,
that's that's that's what you gotta deal with. This is
no different than other quarterbacks. So to put paint Chadors
a victim here, which I don't think Schador is trying
to do, I think it's I think it's the fan
base of Chador that's trying to do that. I just
(14:21):
I don't agree with that at all.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Yeah, it it definitely it's given us something to get
us through kind of this preseason. We're talking about the
Browns and their current fourth string quarterback. It has distracted
us from talking about Deshaun Watson, who's still like working out.
You know, they changed his contracts. I think they got
him for a couple more years. Like that's gonna be
weird when he we have. He mentioned like he's gonna
(14:43):
come back at some point and want to play football.
It's it's gonna be fascinating.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
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Speaker 5 (14:58):
Pally Fools Go Ahead with Tony Fosco. Yeah, as everybody knows,
we're the hosts of the award winning Paully and Tony
Fosco Show. Yeah, but instead of us telling you how
great we are, here's how Dan Packrick described us when
he came on our show.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Quick, knowledgeable and funny, opinionated.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
What are you doing? Were interrupting our promo? Yeah, it
wasn't talking about you. You took those clips totally out
of context.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
Oh yeah, well after this promo, I'm gonna take you
out and beat you.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
Let me put this into context.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Shut up.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
Yeah, anyway, just listen to the Paully and Tony Fusco
Show on iHeartRadio, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Yea.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Let's welcome in Mark Dominic. He joins us on the
Doug Gottlieb Show on a weekly basis, so we thought,
let's bring him on The Dan Patrick Show because he's awesome.
He's former Gentlemen tre Tampey Buccaneers twenty plus years the
nash Football League. You named the job. He's had it
and still works, it still covers, it still knows it. Mark.
Let me just ask you first, in terms of watching
the All twenty two, what'd you think of how Shador
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played in their opening exhibition game.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
Well, thanks for having me on, guys. I think he played well.
I mean when you go back and you look for
some of the ball placements where, yeah, where there's some
throws he'd like to have back, of course every quarterback,
especially their first time, but just in terms of the
arm movement of the ball, velocity, the little pieces, it
was like, Okay, that's encouraging. That's what I kind of
envisioned Chador to try to look like to be when
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you're playing out there for the Cleveland Browns. And so
I was I took it away as going, you know what,
I think he'll be a starter for the Cleveland Browns.
It won't be Week one, but I do think he'll
start this year for Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
What does it mean for Dylan Gabriel Because he's the
third round pick and seems to be in this quarterback sandwich,
if you will, between everybody else, But what does it
mean for the third rounder?
Speaker 6 (16:44):
Well, I mean, I know there's whatever. There's some type
of rumor that they're possibly going to trade Dylan Gabriel.
You know, he's got to give to the football field.
He's you know, hopefully getting healthy. Now get back out there. Look,
they're going to keep three quarterbacks. I think they'll they'll
keep Joe Flaccos, they'll keep the two rookies, and they'll
let the things play out over time. There's no rush
here for Cleveland. They're wanting to see both guys kind
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of progress and see what they can do. But for
whatever reason, Cleveland has the injury at quarterback and it
just can't get away from it. We've seen this before,
right with the Ravens, you know again at the corner.
But the Ravens have had that kind of an injury
situation where you've seen the Ravens and the running backs
all went down or that you know, now the dbs
are going down for the Ravens for whatever horrible event.
For the Cleveland Browns, it's now their quarterback position can't
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stay healthy.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
So, I mean, we have you mentioned Deshaun Watson who's
like training coming back from achilles tear that he eat
tore and then re injured as he was rehabbing. Everyone
who's a Cleveland Brown quarterback seems to be injured. Okay,
let's let's scatter around the league a little bit. There's
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growing concern at least when you read when you watch
about Caleb Williams. What have you heard in regards to
how they feel like he's doing with a new system
in Chicago.
Speaker 6 (18:00):
But they're gonna There's not much they can say but
that they're hopeful, like they think that things are going
to go well. Obviously it sounds like the starters are
playing again this week and the Caleb's going to get
out there and show what he can do. You know, well,
we'll know Doug and oats hard you know, watching a practice, uh,
you know, you know, saying things hasn't been the best
of press conferences. You haven't heard the jade and Daniel's like, Wow,
(18:21):
look at how hard he's worked and he's put all
this effort in. It's just kind of like, Okay, you know,
we've got to figure out what we can do with
this guy. You know, this is a make or break yere.
He's been out there on the field last year, he's
now on the field this year. You know, I've always
said I've always worried if he's going to put enough
time into it. I'm sure he's put good time into it.
(18:41):
I really as a former GM and anything, I just
I want to see him in the regular season. I
want to see how he reacts, how much is he grown,
because you as we all know, like year one to
year two is the leap for players. It just is
because the fact is they're not worried about vertical jumps,
are not worried about forty times and not on these visits,
sorts of these different you know, of you know, pro
teams trying to figure out who likes him. They're focused
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on the playbook and how to learn it and how
to grow. And so if Caleb Williams comes it out
and starts slow, it's a huge concern that they've got
this quarterback picked wrong. But if it comes out and
he plays consistent, because again he played good comparatively to
Trevor Lawrence, is for sure Caleb Williams played well. It's
just that we've got him on a pedestal and there's
so much potential there in a tough division. We'll see
if you can take the next step. I'm concerned because
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I never felt like he could in the first place.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
I don't disagree with you, But the one thing that
rubs me the wrong way mark about this is Ben
Johnson's got his new deal because first year, you know,
five year contract, Ryan Poles now gets an extension to line.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Up with that.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Why so quick to move off of Caleb considering how
much of a disaster last year was, Like, how can
we really take last year and count it against him?
Considering Shane Waldron was dismissed mid season, eber Flus is gone,
you know, in his first year, Like how much can
we really hold last year against.
Speaker 6 (19:59):
Caleb william a little bit? And that's what I said.
Did not agree with you, Dan, I think that when
you watched last year's overall production, I think because Jane
Daniels played so well, we kind of like Caleb really struggled.
Caleb actually played pretty good as a rookie, you know,
as as with everything that you're talking about and how
he performed. Just like I said, the trick is does
he take a step in a Ben Johnson offense. It's
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just that it hasn't felt warm and fuzzy, right, It
hasn't felt like everyone's kind of wrapped their arms around Caleb,
like this has been amazing and we're really excited. It's
been more of a little bit hands off, like we're
working progress or you know, we're trying to get more consistent,
you know those kind of things. So you just read
the tea leaves and say, okay, let's see. I mean,
Caleb Williams was starting quarterback for this year and probably
next year, no matter what, because you take a guy
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in one overall, you're going to give him every shot.
I mean, I remember the GM. I drafted a corner
in the third round and he got four years to
try to become starting cornerback. If you'd have been drafted
in the sixth round, I probably would have cut Hmack
for the first year and tried to put him on
the practice squad. Said where your Caken gives you that
opportunity to stay longer, and even if it's frustrating for
fans they go as a bum. Well, you know what,
Ryan Foles can get fired too. It's like players get
(21:05):
cut after one year of a you know, an extension
a GM doesn't mean that they're going to stay just
because they got an extension. Owners can afford to you know,
eat these contracts like never before. You know, ten years ago,
it was hard to you know, if you did an
extension for a player to move away from that player.
Now you can ease the manipulate it through this hour
cap and where the numbers are.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
JJ McCarthy, what's the what's the reaction up there?
Speaker 6 (21:29):
Yeah? You know, it's it feels like it's been good.
You know, I didn't if everything feels like it's like, okay,
you know, he's going to be able to do it
a little bit. I've watched and the practice throws. You know,
I've been very encouraged by where he's putting the ball
and the way he's you know, decisions he's making. I
think it's good. You know, do do I think it's like, wow,
you know, we have another Jane Daniels. I don't know
about that, but I certainly feel like, just like Chicago
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should have hope, I think they have hope in Minnesota.
It hasn't been you know, all this doom and gloomer
like what's wrong with JJ McCarthy. It's more of like
we just want to see it. But from what it
feels like, I think they're in a good spot to
kind of.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Take a bird's eye of you. Mark Dominic joining us
here on the Dan Patrick Show on Fox Sports Radio.
If you look at that whole division, So you got
Detroit now with two new coordinators. We just talked Vikings
and Bears. Now Jordan Love's got a thumb deal with
the Packers as you see it right now, Where do
you stand with the four teams in placing as we're
a couple of weeks away from the start of the
regular Yeah.
Speaker 6 (22:24):
It's an amazing division. You know, it feels like Minnesota
and Chicago are you know, are battling for who's going
to end up third or fourth? And it feels to
me like Green Bay and Detroit as good as Minnesota
was last year. I just feel like Detroit depending on,
you know, the health of that defensive line and if
it can come back, is the key to the difference,
right And so I like the Packers though. I like
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Jeff Hafley what he's done on defense. You talk about
a coordinator, he's been able to stay there and now
the guys understand what he's asking to do. You've got consistency.
It's a quarterback spot. You've got all these young guys
growing up together. I like what the Packers are. I
think they're not above Detroit as good as Detroit isn't
Either one of those two teams can represent the NFC
in the Super Bowl in my opinion. But I'm going
to lean towards the Packers because I just love the
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way they've built this roster and it's all growing up
together at the same time, and it feels like a
team that's going to be relevant for the next four
or five years for sure. And I believe in Jordan
Love and I think that he's got a chance to,
you know, take his game to another level. And so
with Luke Musgrave back, you know now, with you know,
Matthew Golden, I just think that the points are going
to be very hard to overcome for the Packers because
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they're going to score enough. I mean, opponents are gonna
have hard time putting up the amount of points that
I think the Packers can.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Okay, Matt Stafford, what's your read on on the Rams quarterback.
Speaker 6 (23:41):
I think they're just being very cautious, right, They got
to get him to week one, so they're just going
to like, you know, say what we need to hear,
you know, everything but Matt Stafford, to me, will walk
out the ton of Week one and play quarterbacks of
the Rams. He won't play in the preseason. This is
stents Embeddans opportunity to show that he's worth the fourth
ront pick and can be the number two. But Stafford,
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I think will be fine. I don't think this is
something that's going to continue to linger out. I think
it's just one of those things that they're being overly
cautious with them because they understand the whole season that
is relying on him.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
What is their view of this year? Because this has
been my thing with the Rams. Doug's heard me say it,
Jason's heard me say it. I think they were close
last year on the scoreboard in beating Philadelphia. I don't
know how close they were, But now in the NFL,
it seems like if you have a shot, do it.
It's why I thought they brought Stafford back. How close
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are they And for a team that less need has
been a mover and shaker, they got two number ones
in twenty twenty six. Would there ever be a point
where they would be like, all right, Stafford's not healthy.
Maybe maybe we look in another way at the Rams
kind of their big picture.
Speaker 6 (24:49):
Yeah, I think I think they've got to. They're trying
to stay in that window with the most difficult position
at all. Right, we see teams a lot of times
like Josh Allen's going to it now, right, the Bills
have since spent a fortune of money trying to keep
the crew together, and then what's going to happen is
those guys are going to come out and now they're
going to try to do it again. Patch Mahomes is
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on the second wave of that right now. Right in
terms of like he's coming to the league. They had
a shot to go to get Super Bowls and then
they had to like readjust their roster and now they're
doing that right now in Kansas City and they're still relevant.
The Rams are the kind of that they've readjusted the roster,
except the quarterback as the aged one instead of the
younger guy like the Mahomes or Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson.
And so I think the reason why they have two
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number one is that they know that next year's draft
they've got to do something and they know they have
to do it at that position, and so they got
the extra ammunition to be able to do that. I
think they've planned on that this is Stafford's last season
and that's why I think they're being safe with them.
But I think the building blocks are there. This team
does have a very young, explosive defense. It's very exciting,
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you know. Getting the running back taken care of it
a club friendly deal huge for them. So I think
that you'll see them change that position out through the draft.
I don't think they'll go for the veteran, like take
the and go get a veteran or or somebody that's
been somewhere else. I think they'll pick their own guy
in the twenty twenty sixth draft to be the next
starter for the Rams.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
James cook signds a four year extension, and this is
a it's a weird one, right because he's only in
He's only in year four of a five year rookie contract.
And I thought the is very telling that the agent's name,
we're in the tweet and chapter's tweet, right, so hey
with us, we went out there, we did this. It's
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it says thirty million dollars guaranteed when you have that
fifth year option out there, right, So he was going
to get paid more money next year. Anyway, what do
you think the details actually look like in terms of
this extension for a guy who was back to back
thousand yard seasons.
Speaker 6 (26:42):
Yeah, so you know, James actually owners the rookie deal.
It's a four year deal, that's what it is. The
next year would be the franchise tag for him. You know,
first round is obviously get the fifth year option for them.
So James was, you know, he's going into his last
season and what's in front of him is that franchise tag,
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which is a significant number. To me, the holding was
pointless if they're going to sign four years for eight million.
I think that was on the table the whole time.
I don't think there's any way that wasn't on the table.
I think the Bills just put their heels in and say, hey, look,
take it or leave it. And I think what really
happened behind the scenes was James Cooks was trying to
get sixteen to eighteen a year and the Bills were laughing,
going we're not giving you that. We're just it's not
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gonna happen. I mean, think of it this way, Zach Killer,
who's the agent for you know, James Cook was Dalvin Cook.
So Dalvin Cook's agent. Right when Dalvin Cook did his
deal with the Minnesota Vikings five years ago, Dalvin Cook
got more money than James Cook got today when the
salar caps jumped sixty seventy million. So this is not
(27:45):
a great deal. This is nothing to beat your chest on.
You know, he's the agents trying to say, hey, well,
James always envisioned himself as a Buffalo Bill. That's why
we had to do it. Neil Baloney. He took the
deal that they put in front of you. You were
scared to play it out, which I understand. I'm not
gonna be mad at James Cook. It's forty eight million
potential dollars, but the reality is he left three to
four million dollars on the field if he goes to
(28:07):
free agency next year, because I think somebody pays him
fifteen to sixteen million. But good, good for Buffalo Bill's
good for James Cook. But it's not one where the
agent should beating his chess. Then I did a good job,
because it's just it's just kind of a deal at
the ramback spot where it's good money. Again to the
average American, it's like huge money, but to the running
back market. By these last extensions you know, Karen Williams
(28:28):
obviously in the Rams and now James Cook, they continue
to push that market's going down. It's only eleven twelve
million a year. That's kind of what the market is.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
I guess, yeah, no, that was more My point, Mark
is that I think because of the success of Saquon
Barkley and Josh Jacobs and and guys that had come
to contract impasses Derrick Henry, there's this thought, oh, it's
going to change the running back market, and then Saquon
gets you know, they tear up his deal and reup it. Like, No,
it's pretty much the same. The evaluation is the same,
(29:00):
and if anything, it's actually lower because, as you point out,
the salary cap as jumped substantially.
Speaker 6 (29:04):
You just have to dog you have as a running back.
I know it's hard as an agent. It's easy for
us to sit here and talk about it. You have
to get to free agency, have thirty one other clubs
bit on you, or you're going to take the eleven
to twelve million dollars deal because that's what CLSE are
going to offer. So you've got to just decide what
do you want to do. Do you want to get
paid or do you want to see what your value is?
Two different things. Running backs, if they really want to
(29:25):
get paid, they've got to get to free agency at
a young age like they are, Like James Cooker Williams
would be would have been No again, No, they got
to secure their bag. They want to get their money.
I can get it, No big deal. But we're not
going to see a market change until somebody pushes John
Flipon says I'm going to free agency.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
That's Mark Domini, former Gentlem manager Tampay Buccaneers. You can
hear them weekly in the Doug Gottlib Show. Mark you
the best man. Appreciate you getting up for us.
Speaker 6 (29:47):
Thanks for having me on. Guys.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
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Speaker 2 (30:00):
Good morning to you. I hope you're having a great summer.
For many people like my son Hayes, can't be listened
to the show because he's got his first day of
school high school kicking off a lot of kids getting
dropped off at their universities. We discussed this like last week, Like,
I don't know, maybe i'm maybe my parents were old school,
(30:20):
but I don't remember anybody taking me to school. Just
bye bye. Felt like that old Saturday Night Live skit,
bye bye bye, bye byebye. But this is the Dan
Patrick Show on Fox Sports Tradio. Okay, uh, Taylor Shrip
was on with the Kelsey's On podcast, So there's a
lot to it. Dan, I thought you brought up a
(30:43):
bunch of interesting points, but maybe the most interesting was
who does this serve? Right? Like, who does it serve?
What's the what is the point? Why is she doing this?
And what do you think that the answer is? I was.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
I watched the almost entirety of the two minute after
the two hour episode, I towards the end, I just
kind of fast forward a little bit. But it was
on for two hours last night, and even at the
end of that, Doug I wondered, all, right, did Taylor
do this to bring her fans into the football world?
Was it to get football fans to appreciate Taylor Swift?
Speaker 6 (31:17):
Where?
Speaker 3 (31:18):
What was the reason behind this? Ultimately, I think it
shook down to as we talked it out, I think
it was probably a safe space for Taylor to say
what she wanted to say and to reveal her album
and to do it in a neat way with the
person that she loves. So ultimately maybe it was just
to serve themselves. But record numbers watching it and millions
(31:40):
of people when it went live yesterday afternoon or I
think evening in some parts of the country. But I
had wondered of what was the reason for it, even
after watching the two hours, and ultimately I think it
was just good for Travis and Taylor.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Yeah, I think that's what it was. I think it
was it gives America a look at sort of America's couple,
right and Jay stu It took him probably six to
nine months to go to come off of the it's
a fake relationship argument. And to anybody who thought it was,
(32:16):
then you watch you watch yesterday, You can watch now
online and be like, not, okay, that works. You know
that there, that's a real thing. I do think that
oftentimes we think there's a strategy involved. It's a lot
like here's the parallel I'm gonna drive. I have a
really good friend who worked with the president in his
(32:39):
first term, and his thing was anybody who thinks that
when he comes out with some new plan that there's
that they've they've workshopped it or whatever, that there's a
whole plan in place, Like that's not how he operates.
It's just not, oh, there's this master plan with the economy,
like no, not really just has an idea. Somebody proposes
(33:03):
an idea, thinks it's a good idea, It gets committed to,
it goes and does it, even if it may contradict
an idea he had a couple weeks ago. And I
think that's what's at play here with the Kelseys is
she probably always wanted to do it right, and everybody's
always why don't ever do that podcast? Why don't you
ever do a podcast? Like we only see you guys
taking pictures in a club or a concert or a
(33:25):
football game like a podcast. It's just a conversation. It's
super like you've talked people into being a podcast, Like
I don't know, And then you get the dates arrive, Hey,
let's do it now for the season to get out
of the way, and we'll just talk and we'll you know,
talk music, talk some football, let people know who we are,
and that's it. Is there a benefit to the Kelsey's Yes,
(33:47):
is there a benefit to her? Yes? But I I
and I could be wrong, And maybe it's because I
believe in the good and people first and foremost that
I don't think everybody has some master plan on how
to manipulate likes and how to manipulate downloads and what
it means for your music career. Like she's a billionaire,
(34:07):
She's the most popular female artist in the country, period stop.
He is a multi time super Bowl champion, a Pro
Football Hall of Famer. Like, they don't need much more,
they don't need even attention, but it's just their way
of Like people probably don't think she likes her as
into football. You watch that, you listen to that, and
(34:31):
you understand that she's doing what every great partner should do,
which is she's fallen in love with what her partner does.
What it comes down to, So that I.
Speaker 7 (34:47):
Became like a person who was running through the halls
of my house screaming, we drafted Xavier or Worthy And
my ords are like, what is who body snatched you this?
What do you mean we drafted Worthy or Worthy?
Speaker 2 (35:04):
I forget where it was, but you were the first
person to tell me.
Speaker 7 (35:06):
That I was screeching. I couldn't believe it. I was
freaking out.
Speaker 6 (35:12):
We're talking about like, I'm like, wait, does she she right?
I had to look this up.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
I'm like, she, does she get the wrong information here?
Speaker 6 (35:19):
We trade it up?
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Yeah, you know, I will. I'm gonna just top in
one thing. This is where you're like a real person.
I like when you when you superstars are real people.
She said it's Xavier, but she says Exavier, it's like
a personal pet peeve. But forever reason it's charming because
it makes her seem like a real person that she
has there are things about her that aren't perfect and
that she's learning.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Yeah, you know, like like so it's a mistake, that's okay,
not a big deal. And yes, I thought that was
I thought it was. I thought it was great as well.
And it wasn't a pick that was or a news
item that was so obvious. There was a little bit
of of nuance in it, or a little bit of
inside that you'd have to be a Chiefs fan to
(36:00):
really get excited about.
Speaker 7 (36:03):
We're talking about cover two, cover four, cover zero, man
cover We're talking we're learning I continue to learn.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Maybe somebody else that even knows what those coverages are.
Speaker 7 (36:12):
Yeah, I'm not ready to be an analyst right now,
but give me sixteen months.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Yeah, that's that's He's been on his iPad and they've
been sitting there at home and he's watching and she
wants to know. I think it's awesome.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
Something something tells me that he has been doing the
same thing like I. I reached Taylor Swift and Kelsey
fatigue way early into this, and I've almost come around.
I was very interested to watch last night. I'm very
I was very impressed or startled surprised by how genuine
they are. They're like two giddy teenagers. I love Love.
(36:51):
I like watching Love. But I also think that he
reciprocates that because he's had us fooled this whole time
into thinking that he loves her Mutuo. I thought he
was just saying it to be a good boyfriend. But
I think he also likes her music, which goes a
long way with me, because I don't like her music
at all. It does nothing for me. It's not for me.
(37:12):
It's for teenage girls. But he seems to just as
she has dived into the football, I think he's actually
embracing her music. Too, which is a surprise to me.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Stan Patrick Schelle here on Fox Sports Training, I heard
Ready w Apple ahead.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
And I don't I do think her music is for everyone,
not just for teenage girls. It's just Jason may not
like it. I will say that I thought Travis. Travis
felt like the third wheel at times because I think
he's used to him, him and his brother going back
and forth, but understanding that this was Taylor's opportunity that he,
(37:50):
you know, was gonna let her shine and would sprinkle
in things. But it wasn't a back and forth. It
was a back and forth between really Jason and Taylor.
And I thought Jason did a really good job. And
I know that there's some editing that's done, but it's
not it's not sneaky editing at all. You know where
the cuts are, you know where the places where they've
they've stopped and started again. But Jason asked this question
(38:13):
to her, which I thought was great, and I give
them credit. Jason just asked, how did it work when
you were trying to get your masters back? Like, can
you tell me the difference between what you know our
publishing rights and what aren't? And she laid it out
for him, and it was like a real music interview,
(38:33):
and she explained of like what she could do and
what she couldn't do, and why it was important for
her to get those master recordings, and why it may
not be for every single artist. And I actually thought
that that part of it, aside from them promoting and
talking about their relationship, was actually an informative part of
the podcast.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Yeah, it was. It's look, I think it's fascinating to understand,
to have people understand business that they never understood before. Right,
I've had that conversation with a buddy of mine about
masters and about selling him and about holding on to him.
And so when I heard that part was I was intrigued.
But I did know a lot of it. Again, I
(39:16):
just thought I thought it was a win. But it
wasn't set out. They didn't set out to win, right,
They didn't set out to win. They just set out
that I want to do a podcast, let's do it.
That's how it felt. It felt very natural.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
There is something that I do think is I don't
contrive to such a negative connotation. But Travis is on
the cover of GQ. I mentioned this earlier, but Jason
at the start of the podcast, Jason Kelsey said, we
told you where we were going to be back August
twenty seventh. Instead we've got a surprise. We're going to
do this August thirteenth. Obviously, that dropping helps Taylor, maybe
(39:50):
helps GQ helps Travis. But Travis, within this GQ article,
talked about how his play over the last couple of
years slipped, and he says that he let his media responsibilities,
doing an FX show, hosting a game show on Amazon,
he let those things get in the way of his play. Now, yesterday, Doug,
(40:12):
after your show, I was in with Carrie Rhodes on
Cavino and Ridge, and Carrie was an all pro and
spend eight years in the league, says I just think
he's lost a step. I don't think he has it
anymore like he once did. And I think this is
all cover up and hearing what Carry said, and I
didn't necessarily disagree with Carrie. In the podcast that aired
(40:33):
last night with Taylor, Travis talked about traveling the world
and said that in Taylor brought up the point that
Travis had talked about going to different countries and Taylor's like, yeah, well, hello,
I am going on a tour we can go to
all of those countries, and so that's what they did
in the summer of twenty twenty four. Travis was with
her in Europe during those spots or going to different places.
(40:57):
That wasn't mentioned in the GQ article of the focusing
on football. And by the way, it would be okay,
Travis Kelsey's accomplished enough in his NFL career. He doesn't
need to play another down. He's going into the Hall
of Fame. But it was interesting to me to hear
him say that his TV stuff took him away, But
the relationship stuff with Taylor and being in Europe and
(41:18):
doing these different things were not a reason on why
maybe his play slip last year, which you disagree with.
I just don't know how it helps, you know, Like
I was when he went to Argentina two years ago, Yes,
during the bye week, I just thought, that's crazy. The
big joke is the NFL is now like we'll just
go to South America once a year. We'll just we'll
(41:41):
go there too, So maybe it looks a little bit normal,
But I didn't think that that was the great move
for Travis and preparing for the Chiefs. They ultimately go
on and win the Super Bowl, so it didn't have
an effect. But again, none of this has an effect,
and it's okay if it did. He's at the end
of his career. But it's just it's never brought up
as maybe a reason, no, why not the relationship, but
(42:02):
just the stuff that comes with the relationship. You're in
a different phase of your life, a different part of
your life. But he's pointed out single about the TV shows,
but nothing in terms of the travel that he may
have done with his girlfriend.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
I would say this that inevitably, inevitably, there will be
some form of negativity towards it. Right. There always is,
And here's how I would take that negativity right, because
it's it's not good. I don't think it's going to
be anybody who matters. I think it'll be the the
(42:38):
bots or the fingers on social media that matters. Okay,
But remember, in order to watch this or listen to this,
you have to seek it out, right, you have to
seek it out. So you can say I don't care
about them, Okay, well then don't listen and don't watch.
It's fine. There'll be deal like they'll be. They'll be fine.
(42:59):
So if you say, hey, I watched I listened to One,
I think it'd be really hard to come away and
think it's not a real relationship. It's pretty much impossible.
And two they both seem really likable because Travis does
suddenly take a back seat, which I think he probably likes.
He's always been the center of attention. Now it's kind
of cool to have a girls set of attention, Like
that's that's dope. He can just kind of he can
(43:20):
just gotta be the arm candy. And then three, like again,
the most important thing when somebody says like, dude, I
listened to that podcast. Wait so you sought out that podcast,
downloaded it, listen to it, and then you're like, yeah,
I'm not into them, Like okay, that's you just you
want the attention that you think they're trying to get.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
Here's why I don't think it's going to uh backfire
on him or in any way or it's going to
matter is if he plays well this year, then he's right.
And all the work that he's done with the speed
and agility coach work this offseason and guess what it
was the TV shows Travis identified the problem and addressed it.
And if it doesn't work, and if he has another
(44:01):
down season, he's just old and his better days are
behind him. I don't think that this is going to
come up, and again, I don't think it matters. I
don't think it's a big deal. But it's just funny
because it sounds a little hypocritical by Travis to say
it was the TV shows and my attention to that
as opposed to being away for a month and traveling
(44:23):
throughout Europe.
Speaker 4 (44:24):
I thought it took like balls for him to admit that,
and for him to admit it on GQ. It wasn't
like a sports mag per se or a sports article
or a reporter, but it took balls. And I think
that only a guy who's had his career already could
say I was distracted last season as my team was
(44:45):
trying to win a third straight Super Bowl. Doug, you
talk about the negativity and the bots and everything. I
think a Chief Saan would have an actual grievance to
be like, wait a minute, you're admitting to being distracted
as we were trying to set history last year. What's
going on here? And I think Kerry Rhades is probably right.
I think that's his way of not admitting that he's
lost a step, but I think it takes balls and
(45:06):
it's almost refreshing to hear a guy actually admit I
was distracted. How many athletes through the years, including Lebron James,
have said there's nothing to that. It's always about the basketball.
Everything else is sidebar. Travis Kelcey actually admitting this, I
think kind of puts him out there for criticism, don't
you think, Doug.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
I do Again, I didn't hear the entire podcast. So
were the TV shows he's talking about last year or
he's talking about in previous years? Because he did the
big reality show he did was like, yes, ten years
ago meant more than that. I was about ten years ago.
I was the CBS at the time, and where he
dated thirty two women in the offseason. I thought that's
what he was referring to, not to last year.
Speaker 3 (45:47):
No, So he didn't mention any of the TV stuff
in the podcast with Taylor yesterday in the New New
Heights episode. It was in the GQ article where it
was pointed out the FX show and the show that
he did on Amazon that those were the shows, because
I guess there's multiple episodes with the Amazon show, and
maybe I wasn't familiar with the FX show, but those
were specifically pointed out as shows that he did.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
The was it what is it? Something Kelsey is keeping Kelsey?
I forget what it's called. On the Amazon show, which
was pretty good.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
And this is a different Amazon it was. This was
a different This was like a game show that he
hosted that he ended up being the host. But the
dating show that he did was yeah, that he wasn't
alluding to that that was a decade or are.
Speaker 4 (46:29):
You smarter than a celebrity? Was the Amazon Prime show?
Speaker 2 (46:32):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (46:32):
And I wanted to say his dating show is he
didn't he date a woman from every state? Wasn't it
the Kelsey fifty or something stupid like that?
Speaker 2 (46:38):
Something like that? Or was it thirty two? I can't remember? Wait,
so when was the when was the game show?
Speaker 3 (46:43):
Was Chasing Kelsey? I think that the game show was
last the last offseason twenty twenty four.
Speaker 4 (46:49):
Okay, so fifty women from fifty states vibe for the
heart of a pro football player Chasing Kelsey twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
Yeah, nine years ago. I was I was close close
my ears. I remember I interviewed him like he was
you know, you talk about you talk about a guy
who you had I had no idea would reach superstar
status nine years ago. Think about how his life changed
when Pat Mahomes became his quarterback.
Speaker 4 (47:12):
We were at the super Bowl, maybe it was Los Angeles,
I forget which super Bowl, and Doug and I are
prepping for the show, and all of a sudden, I hear, hey, Doug, Doug.
Somebody trying to get Doug's attention. Who's being walked by
a publicist the other way? And I look over. It's
Travis Kelcey trying to get Doug Gottlieb's attention as he
used He used.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
To come out all the time. And we talked basketball
because he played basketball Cincinnati, and we have some like
mutual mutual friends. And you know, I likeain to go
from that, like I have his number, I've never haven't
texted him in years. I have no idea if he
has the same number, if he'd even know who you know,
new phone, who dish? But yeah, I mean media like ridiculous,
(47:51):
ridiculous went from hey, yeah, I know yea to these
in the names you know in the NFL non quarterbacks,
he's top five in any conversation correct, yes, and then
after this podcast and after you know, now obviously a
long standing relationship with Taylor Swift, the most don't by proxy.
(48:16):
So so that's that's an unbelievable rise, unbelievablerise
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