July 26, 2023 • 39 mins
On the Wednesday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug weighs in on the contract extension the Chargers have given to their star quarterback Justin Herbert.
Doug and the crew talk about whether or not they would want to be the subject of a reality tv show in this week's version of "The Midway".
Hall of Famer Tracy McGrady joins Doug to talk about the NBA, his career and his most recent project. Doug reacts to comments made by Jerry Jones about running backs.
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the one on one league. Can't wait to ask him
about a myriad a myriad of NBA top that's fifteen
minutes away. Wait to hear what Jerry Jones said about
the running back market, and then Daniel Jeremiah will join
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us next hour. Actually DJ is out at Chargers Camp today.
Chargers Camp is fairly close to where I live, and
I know he was out there earlier. Today. We'll ask
Kim about I think what we want to talk about
the lead topic, which is justin Herbert gets a new
contract or contract extension. So that's the show today. Plus
we have a really good midway. I'm torn on the
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midway here. I know our plan was would you sign
up to do a reality show, but I'm wondering, you know,
for the podcast, I want to do a little UFO
talk because there's that dude who was an Air Force
pilot who's claiming that the government has was it non
human non human remains? Yeah, there's a UFO hearing. And
(01:51):
there's a new term as well, which I had not
heard before, a UAP, jay Su, what's a UAP again?
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Identified aerial phenomenon? Which the P is so misleading there
because it's pronounced like.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
F yes yes, so a U A P. This This
feels like, you know, just potato patato. This feels like
what used to be a stewardess is now a flight attendant.
Everybody's now an actor. That doesn't make any sense to
me that everybody's an actor, but apparently everybody's an actor,
and UFOs unidentified fly an object is now an unidentified
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aviation phenomenon. Is that what it is?
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Aerial phenomenon?
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Aerial phenomenon, aerial phenomenon. Who is the guy who's like,
you know, we got to change this. It's not completely
accurate what we're doing with UFOs. We need who is
the person? This is? This is what? What's This is
the part of new age society which all of us
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old guys are yelling, get off my lawn. There was
never a moment where like, you know, UFO is somehow
offensive and we got to change it. I don't know,
all right, Tracey McGrady. In fifteen minutes, justin Herbert has
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Herbert's new deal, which technically the final tally comes out
as the hugest contract ever. Look into the details and
it's like one hundred and thirty three million guaranteed. And
(03:40):
I think I think the part that is bizarre is
what I've seen in some parts of media, but a
lot of social media, which is well, Pat Mahomes is
a discount. Now he's the biggest discount in NFL history. Like, Okay,
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the way it works when you sign a long term
contract extension is it protects you and it's got to
on some level protect the team. And if you look
at the details of the Chiefs deal, which without any
question will be redone at some point in time, if
you look at the details of the Chiefs deal, you
start to realize that he protected himself by getting just
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a ton of money long term deal, loves the system,
loves what he's in, doesn't want to move. All of
that stuff just all makes sense to him. And they
protected themselves by we just we're not going to keep
going back to the well, we got cost certainty. Once
you get to fifty million dollars a year, you should
be pretty good. There's also the idiot on social media
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talking about a contract that he signed three years ago. Look,
that's three years ago. That money is in the bank,
that money is making more money. Every penny he has
that wasn't spent in taxes is making more money. That's why,
like when you win the lottery, they always tell you
take all the money up front because that money makes
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money if you know what you're doing. And when you
get to this, when you get to this number of
commas to commas, you have somebody. You'll usually hire somebody
good and it's not impossible, but it's very, very difficult
to blow it all. But the one big takeaway I
have is I don't care what Emmanuel Acho says. I
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don't care what social media idiot says. If you can't
see how good justin Herbert is the easiest way to
point out how good he is. There's not an NFL analyst,
anyone associated with the league who covers the league who said,
there go like Herbert, how much that's too much? Does
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it mean he's gonna win a Super Bowl? It doesn't.
Does it mean that the Chargers have achieved as much
success as they should and they're up twenty seven and
twenty seven nothing last year in the playoffs and couldn't
win the game against Jaguars. It's embarrassing. It doesn't mean
he's perfect, but there isn't a soul who has legitimacy
in NFL circles. That sits there. He goes like, I
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can't believe they signed Justin Herbert to a big deal,
but I've actually heard that. Well, I did want to plaoff.
I won a playoff game. Okay, playoff games are hard
to win, you know, but not one I was batted,
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not a single one. And we have where it looked
for a while like, man, are we going to have
a next generation of quarterbacks? Because the Breeze thing, the
Brady thing, the Rivers thing, those lasted even in Rodgers,
they lasted way longer than previous generations, and there wasn't
really a next regime. Now there is. Mahome is obviously
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the best and most accomplished, and then you got Burrow
and Herbert, and it feels like, you know, people believe
Jalen Hurts. I would only say about Jalen Hurts obviously
is way better than we thought. The sustainability of how
good will he be when new offensive coordinator? But also
at some point in time when that contract hits the
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you know, hits the salary cap, can he carry a team?
But we have our next generation, our next regime of
all young quarterbacks, and Burrow's the next one to get signed.
That'll get done, and as they said, we got a
bunch of other guys to sign as well.
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he's calling us from Charger camp or what, but we'll
definitely have to catch up with him momentarily. But before
we do, let's get to the midway. He's not getting
the middle with you.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
It's time for he stuck in the middle.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
The midway, Okay, the midway today. Midway is the middle
of the show, middle week, middle of the day. It
can be anything. So hmm, this is good, really really good.
(08:44):
This is good. Okay. So The Quarterback is a reality
show and it's popular it's on Netflix. I've watched it.
I think it's outstanding. Apparently you have several of these
quarterbacks who have turned it down turned it down, So
that brings us to the question, would you what is it?
(09:05):
Would you do any reality show? Jase do? I? By
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do do we want to do any reality shows or
specific reality show?
Speaker 2 (09:25):
The nature of the reality show that the quarterback, I
think is so put yourself in the shoes of the quarterback.
But you're not a quarterback, You're just your talk show host.
John Ramos is a technical producer. Isaac is an update
guy Slash play by play guy Slash, I rip off
your your passwords for streaming guy. The reality show is
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you're going to sign a contract and for the next
several months you're going to have a reality show crew
and includes producers that prompt you, that have you retell
stories if not told well enough, that prompt you to
change subjects or speak on a subject. You have film
crews that set up lighting on a daily basis in
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your home. They follow you to work and do the
exact same thing to your work and the people that
you work with for months and months. Would you sign
up for that?
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Let's ask guys, a glowing corn I Low.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
Well, it's funny that this'd be the topic.
Speaker 6 (10:31):
I've actually never really told anybody, but I actually once
made a pilot show, a reality show like that. It
was going to be called It was tentatively titled I
Low and Behold. It was going to be on Hulu Minus,
but the deal actually fell through. I'm just joking, by
the way, not a bad title. I must say this
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part is actually true. So back when I was in
high school, the La Times, remember the prep extra section, Doug, Yeah, okay,
So they actually did an article on me, you know,
who's this idiot kid who's announcing his high school football games.
That actually did turn out to be the actual title,
by the way, But they sent a photographer, like a
professional photographer on assignment to shoot me and follow me
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around at one of our high school football games. And
it was very very disconcerting. Now I was young, I
wasn't used to it, but just having somebody follow you
around all the time and they're just doing their job,
it becomes very self conscious and a little disconcerting after
a while. And looking at it now from an adult standpoint,
I think it would be a lot more self conscious
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if you, like, didn't have final say on the content,
because if there was something you did during the course
of your regular life, could it be misconstrued or misinterpreted
to make you seem like some sort of ogre or
horrible person. So I guess it would be the editorial
control you would have it, but I would honestly say no.
(12:03):
And I do that also out of respect for the crew,
which would be bored out of their minds following me
around except when I'm on with you guys.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Of course.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Jase too.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
So I used to work with Rodney Pete. Rodney Pete
star at USC quarterback, played in the NFL for many years.
Everyone knows Rodney pet He and his wife Holly do
a reality show, or at least did when I worked
with him for the Hallmark Channel, and it was kind
of done in the way that the Kardashians are done.
They just follow the family everywhere and one day they
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had a shoot scheduled for work and Rodney asked if
I could just be there and produce kind of a
mock show for this reality show. And I remember we
did it, and you know, the producers are like, you know,
just act like yourselves. But then if you don't enter
the room right or you're not at the right angle,
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they'll have you do it again. So it's nothing like
like real. So and then I watched it back on
the reality show and I saw my you know, the
camera says that it adds ten pounds. There were there
must have been multiple cameras on me because it was
multiple times ten pounds. It was hard to look at myself.
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I had to turn off my TV. I do not
want to see no one. No one deserves to see
me on TV, and I don't want to see myself
on TV. That part of it really turns me off. Now,
if there's millions of dollars behind this and a chance
to increase a platform that I'm not seeking, maybe maybe
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there's a consideration there, but there's so much no. I
wouldn't and and it's because I don't. I don't need
the publicity, and you don't.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
You don't think like you don't think it could it
could help your career.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Help the career, and that it would put more money
in my bank. Yeah, but the opportunities, the intrusiveness of it,
of this I give and take with it. Yeah, but
that's what this conversation is about, right, I mean, to me,
the intrusiveness probably does not outweigh or or undercut what
(14:19):
I would be making on it. I just feel that strong.
And remember I was on blind Date, and you know
everything that you do, every conversation you have is scrutinized
by a producer just off camera, and they tell you
to resay things that are interesting. Let's set up the
cameras and redo what the conversation you just had. It's
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it's again, the most unreal thing you ever see is
reality TV. And to me, it's just off putting in
and intrusive.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
All right, to Genramas.
Speaker 7 (14:54):
Well, I would be for it myself and probably my
son Lucas. Suzanne and Sarah would not be for it.
So I don't know who would break the tide. Jonah,
He's only four, so I'm not sure he'd be able
to do that. But I'd be fine with it. Like
you said, I mutually doesn't matter if you're I mean,
I don't think we'd be interesting. But if that's not
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really the question, if just whether or not you'd want
to do it, I would say yes for me.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
Stay tuned for the ramos. What the most is coming
this fall?
Speaker 1 (15:21):
I mean, you know, I mean, like listen by the way, guys,
by the way, guys, would they do the Is there
any what are the percentage chances Jase do based upon
what he said they would do the reality show?
Speaker 3 (15:33):
What are the chances that would do the reality show?
Speaker 5 (15:36):
I wasn't the classic elevator parch I suppose no, he.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Said, you know, I says Suzanne wouldn't want to do it,
So he's out.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Right.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
John's out right, John out right.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
I'd be a yes, I'd like to I'd like to
do it. I don't think Here's the thing. I don't
even think John would ask Suzanne. Am I right?
Speaker 7 (16:01):
Would I ask her if it's okay to do reality show?
Speaker 8 (16:04):
Well?
Speaker 7 (16:05):
I probably would, Doug, because I mean it probably probably
wouldn't be too cool to have he would just show
up at our house.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Because you wouldn't know because you wouldn't do it though.
Speaker 7 (16:14):
Oh right, right, I see what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Right, You're like, I'm not going to ask. I already
know the answer.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
A good point.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
The answer is hell to the no, Right, that's the
that's the answer. Yeah, I would do it. I would
do it. And there's a litany of reasons why I
would do it. Let me kind of read them out
to you. I Mean, the first thing is you're gonna
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make money doing it, and you know, like as much
as they want you to do it a certain way,
at the end of the day, it's up to you.
It's a reality show. You can be you. I have
yet to see somebody who is a good person come
off as anything other than a good person on a
reality show. And I think especially if these quarterback guys,
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and it's incredibly stupid they you know, they make him
look like they're angels. I mean, it's not hard for
Kirk Cousins because he probably is actually a living angel.
But I get it, Jason, like, you don't want people
in your life. You'd like your privacy, like your quiet.
You know, I'm not that way. I don't care about
my privacy all that much, and I would love to
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see what my life looks like through a different lens.
I actually think that would be interesting.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
So in case there are some producers out there who
are now interested, what would you want the title to
be I've got either got got leave like got milk?
Or Beware of Doug.
Speaker 7 (17:47):
Why would you want to be aware of him?
Speaker 3 (17:48):
I don't know, so good.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Yeah, that's a don't go near Doug.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
That's next.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
I thought he was going to do I Dream of
Doug or something, because they're all old TV references from
my love that was. That was my fear that it
was all old DV references from ilow.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
How about Dig Doug?
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Good video game?
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Right play on the old video game Dig was It
was a really good video game, but dig also having
a double meaning like, hey we dig Doug. We all
dig Doug.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Why shouldn't you? Why shouldn't you? Uh? Okay, Now, what
about this, Jase Due, If you're a quarterback, would you
do the Quarterback Show?
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Yeah? Now?
Speaker 2 (18:29):
That so that, I think also goes into the category
of do I am I seeking attention? In this social
media era, it's filled with a generation of people that
does seek attention, doesn't mind the attention. So man, if
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I'm the quarterback, I don't need any extra attention.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
I don't need it.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
But if you put yourself in the shoes of this generation,
it just seems like a natural thing. And it is
surprising to see like a Jalen Hurts and Justin Fields,
even though I know I think he's already done one
before pass up on this. I'm shocked that they are
actually their generation. But no, no, if I'm even a quarterback,
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I don't. I don't want the attention. I don't want it.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
I love your quarterback has to change your opinion.
Speaker 6 (19:24):
Yes, because I have more leverage in that situation. I'll
have my own representation and pr people who can control
the content to maybe portray me in if at least
not a completely positive light, a realistic but non negative light.
(19:45):
So yes, because I would have more leverage and more
control for my own for lack of a better term, brand,
if I was a quarterback.
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you actually watch? Chase two.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
The one that I watch, obviously is a Bachelor, All
the Bachelors, and I think that does it. I think
that's that's the only one I do.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
I did that.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
I did The Housewives of New Jersey and it was
very compelling, and then I stopped watching for whatever reason.
But no, I don't do a lot of reality TV.
Just the Bachelor franchise.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
I don't either, But I like the the f One show.
I like the Quarterback I too like The Bachelor. Generally,
I'll watch it.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Some Oh you know what, if you're including these sports things,
I guess the hard knocks I do watch, yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
And I'm in the middle of the golf one one
of the caddies, no I have.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
I'm not seeing that.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Pretty good, pretty good, pretty pretty good.
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He was a seven time All Star. He led the
NBA in scoring All NBA First Team twice. He's Tracy
McGrady of course, he also owns and runs the OBL
that's the Ones Basketball League and they actually have a
show out new show out on Showtime. It's a series
(21:29):
called Bonded by Ball Inside the OBL, and he joins
us on the Doug Gotlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Tracy,
what what led you to want to start the OBL?
Speaker 8 (21:42):
Just giving back to the basketball community for guys that
I think, if you're a basketball fan should know about
these guys that participated in OBL on his platform that
have an you niue skill set in one on one.
You know, it really stems from me being a unknown
(22:02):
basketball player in Central Florida and when I completed my
junior season in high school, as a guy that was
affiliated with Adidas came down to my school to give
me an opportunity to participate in this platform that Sonny
Baccaro created called ABCD Camp. And I knew nothing about
(22:22):
this camp, and so I go there. I'm hearing about
all these top players in the nation that I read about,
and you know, I play. I have a great camp.
I go from unknown to be the number one player
in the country in high school my senior year, and
that's because of this platform. And nothing really changed about
(22:43):
me as a basketball player is just you know, the
exposure that I gained from this, And you know, when
you talk about basketball, if the pure essence of one
on one is the pure essence of it. So creating
this platform for guys that I know that are not
on an NBA roster, that are not on a j
league but have a unique skill set for the basketball
(23:03):
fans to see, I figure, why not create this UFC
created for their fighters. I can create this for my
basketball players to create superstars out of this league.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
It's a great idea. The question becomes, can you get
it to where you know the NBA the best one
on one NBA players participate, right, So, because that's what
I don't know if it brings credibility, but that gives
us a sense of just how good somebody is. But
the problem with the NBA players is, and tell me
if I'm wrong, they don't want to lose. It is
(23:35):
a no way situation for some of those dudes.
Speaker 8 (23:40):
I think eventually it'll be a part of All Star Weekend.
I think it has to be because you know, Ostar
weekend is kind of dry now, there's really no great
excite entertainment. The Slam dunk contest is not what.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
It used to be.
Speaker 8 (23:54):
The All Star Game is not what it used to be.
So I think they got to brain some new found energy,
and I think one on one back well could be
the case for.
Speaker 9 (24:04):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Obviously, you famously went straight out of high school to
the NBA. Your first year was rough, right, Uh, you've
even described it as as hell. Now, guys they can't
go they can't go straight out of high school, but
they can't go to the G League. They go overseas,
they go play in college with then get nil. If
you were coming out now, what would be the path
(24:24):
you choose?
Speaker 8 (24:27):
Oht no separate way. The wind blows.
Speaker 9 (24:30):
Man.
Speaker 8 (24:30):
You know these kids are getting you know, millions of
dollars to in nil to stay in college. So and
a lot of stories that I hear is college was
a fun time. Who knows, I probably would have, you know,
went to Kentucky for a year and probably had a
million or two in nil deal booster or the team
(24:51):
comes back and say we'll give you some more to
stay another year, Like, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (24:56):
How to win?
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Is gonna blow?
Speaker 8 (24:58):
Man? There's so much going on out here in amateur sports,
in college sports, and in the NBA. I don't know.
I couldn't tell you, Doug fair enough.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
All right, how about this one? You know, another famous
part of your career was you didn't have good playoffs success.
I mean, how many years in Houston did y'all ming
get hurt? You just anything that could go wrong in
the playoffs went wrong for your teams in the playoffs.
So I'm wondering as you watch Damian Lillard knowing you
still made the Hall of Fame, but you're not considered
(25:29):
at the level that all of your accolades should be. Like,
you're not in the discussion of the all time greats,
even though based upon how dynamic you were, you probably
should be. So so it comes down to your teams
didn't win enough in the playoffs. How do you feel
about watching Damian Lillard now finally say, you know what,
enough's enough. I got to get to Miami somewhere I
(25:51):
compeat in the playoffs.
Speaker 8 (25:53):
Yeah, I think if anybody deserves to make that statement
in wanting to leave a frenchise of his dame, I mean,
he's given Portland everything you could you can want out
of a player, and not just on the basketball court.
But he's a great ambassador in the community as well.
So I'm hoping that he could find a home that
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to where he can compete for a championships because I
think he deserves that. I mean, he's given Portland everything
that you know, he could possibly give them, But it's
time to move on and compete before it's too late.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Paul Pierce has come out and said, hey, look, man,
I was better than Dwayne Wade. I just didn't get
the attention of Dwayne Wade. I'll allow you because that
was your era in the league. Paul Pierce or Dwayne Wade,
who do you think is better.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
They?
Speaker 8 (26:42):
I mean, listen, both was great, man. I can't sit
here and say one was better than the others. Paul
won a championship with older Ray Allen, with the older
Kevin Garnett. You know, had he had some some of
the young players like a young Lebron and young Chris Bosh,
I think would have won more championship. All just based
on the line of who you play with and what
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you was able to do with what you have. And
you know, I think when Paul finally got some talent
around him, he won a championship. Dwayne Wade was you know,
ugly in the conversation the top five greatest shoes out
of all the time because he won Talent Loise. They
both are great talents. I don't know who's better, but
they both are great talents and they both played different different,
(27:26):
different positions on the basketball court.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
If if if Victor Evan Yama came and sat down
next to you and said, T Mac, I watched your tape, man,
just show me the way, what would you tell him
about about being so young and about evolving into an
NBA star.
Speaker 8 (27:45):
Well, I don't have to be that because he's around
that as you know greatness. I mean you're talking about
Coach Pop, You're talking about Tim Duncan and David Robinson.
Like he's surrounded by greatness. He's going to get the
best of vice that anyone could give him. So T
Mac has not competed on the level that he's surrounded by.
(28:06):
That's you know, it was going to be his ear
every single day. So my advice don't mean anything to
what you know. These guys are going to get him
on a daily basis. He don't need to hear from me,
all right, I.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Mean you could give him a pretty good guy, all right,
How about this. You were in San Antonio right twenty
thirteen on that NBA Finals run where you have Game
six one, you got it one missing pre throws and
of course Raywn hits the three. But you were what
do you remember about that game?
Speaker 8 (28:40):
I just I remember thinking, Dan, I'm actually about to
see an NBA a celebration of winning a championship, like
up sitting on the bench, locked arms, thinking were about
to win.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
You see the.
Speaker 8 (28:56):
Staffers roll out to tape, they bringing out the trophy.
I'm like, damn, this is really happening. So I'm living
in the moment, right. But then Tim Duncan is sitting
over here on the sideline, they get that rebound, kick
it out said ray hit the three. It was like
just crush everything, man like it like the life was
(29:16):
sucked out of the team after that fault on that
and it was just it was a sad moment.
Speaker 9 (29:22):
Not that you know.
Speaker 8 (29:24):
If we would have won a championship, I would have
been head over heels and excited about winning because me,
you know, the level that I played on, I would
want to go through the journey and the fire with
those guys. And that didn't happen for me. I was
really just like a Renter player because Pop called me
at the end of that season and told me that
they had some injuries that just needed an extra body. So,
(29:47):
you know, just for me to be a part of
that experience, it was greating itself. But man, that shot Bro,
it just really it took the life out of that team.
And then going back to Game seven, I just knew
we wasn't gonna win. In Game seven, he just felt
the energy was just different, it shifted.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Yeah, sorry to bring up that tough moment, but I
just you were there, so I had to I had
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Speaker 8 (30:36):
Thank you, appreciate you. Mare.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
All right, that's Tea Mac join us Stug Gottlieb show
here on Fox Sports Radio. That was fun. It was
fun to catch up with Tracy McGrady. That man, he's
talking about his son of Acao. Of course he's part
of that was that Air was the movie Air. Yeah,
that was sunny and ABCD camp was where I wasn't
discovered there, but like I went there two years in row.
(30:59):
My first year was ninety three in Yipsilanti, Michigan, and
it was up and down. My second year I was
I had a great camp and I got scholarship all
first from everywhere. It's amazing what opportunity opportunity can do.
I love this quote. So Jerry Jones spoke out about
the running back mark in the current economic system the
(31:20):
team works with. I want you to take a listen
to this because remember Jerry famously paid Ezekie Elliott early
and we said it was a mistake of the time.
It turned out to be a mistake. And oh yeah,
by the way, at the time he had Tony Pollard
and it felt like I don't know if he could
have played a hard ball with Zeke or at least
let Zeke play out his contract, much like Maney of
these teams are doing so does did Jerry learn from
(31:44):
that situation? Here's Jerry Jones.
Speaker 9 (31:46):
There's no free lunch. You have to weigh the impact
to the team on every decision that you make, and
the system will cause it to evolve. And the system
has gotten more relative to the budgets that you have.
It's gotten more quarterback friendly and less running back friendly.
(32:06):
That isn't just the Cowboys. That's the game as it
is today.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
It's true now you could point out how much teams
that have paid their quarterback at the top of the market,
with the exception of the Chiefs, have struggled to win
in the playoffs. That's fair, but it's easier to point
out how you know, you could go back two decades
and you be hard pressed with a couple exceptions, you'd
(32:35):
be hard pressed to find the the guy okay, who
has exceeded expectations or even lived up to expectation that
second contract. Adrian Peterson would probably be one of the
only ones. But even Adrian Peterson remember fairly limited as
far as catching the ball of the backfield. And you know,
(32:59):
like he of course came back was nfil MVP after
and Comeback Player of the Year after coming back from
the ACL injury. But basically Jerry Jones like, look, the
market dictates these things we don't, and teams are finally
getting smart. It's much like the if you don't have
a star quarterback, your best your better bet. Your best
(33:19):
bet is having a rookie quarterback making little money. Yes,
the quarterback money is obscene, but that's about half the league.
The other half of the league is on rookie quarterback deals,
and that's how you build up your roster. That's all
part of the economics, you know, it's all part of it.
(33:40):
Look at what Seattle was able to do last year
when they had two quarterbacks. Neithery've made very much money.
They end up with Gino. Now, they paid Geno I
think what twenty this year, but compared to other people,
it's not that much. They may be overpaying him, but
they're like, look, you're fine, you're good. Now we can
continue to fill out roster with more talented players. That's
(34:02):
all the balance of the salary cap. And it just
doesn't make any sense except to people's emotions, that you
overpay running backs. You know, So I just I think,
(34:22):
I truthfully honestly think that Jerry Jones, for the first
time ever is the voice of reason in the economy
of the National Football League economy nash Footballague. Now do
you guys hear this where the Bills are reportedly trying
to play hardball with name Hyms because he was injured
(34:43):
in a jet ski accident. And it's interesting, right, like,
could they say, hey, dude, it wasn't your fault. Somebody
crashed into you.
Speaker 8 (35:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
That's a tough one. It's a tough one.
Speaker 7 (35:03):
We mean they could, they could, right, yes, Doug. But
the problem is is that I wonder if he had
something in his contract that I mean, even though he
didn't actually go out there himself and hit somebody, somebody
hit him, he's still in a dangerous situation, correct, I guess.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know, Like you don't think
all these guys jet ski or do something fun, Like
you're on a boat and somebody else's boat and something happens,
something flies up and hits you in the head and
you're out for a couple of weeks. In this case,
he's out for the years. Yeah, I guess it's one
of those things. It's like the old you could drive
(35:40):
a car with your feet, but that doesn't make it
a good idea.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
That's a good point.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
You Now, you could take back his money and withhold
his money, but that doesn't necessarily make it a good idea.
On the other hand, if he's not liked within the
locker room and you think he's a waste of money
and you don't care, then by all means. By the way,
speaking of the running backs, here's Nase Harris. He had
this to say about Saquon Barkley's contract in the running back.
Speaker 10 (36:05):
Markets accumulated for almost thirty percent of the offense, Like,
why can't you look at that and say, okay, well,
you know he said, he's not trying to break the
market or set the market, but he's trying to get
compensated of what he think is fair, which they think
what two parts should think it is fair too, And
I think that, well, I know that they know themselves
that that ain't fair, like what he's getting. You know,
he wanted a long contract to know his security there
(36:26):
right now he doesn't have no security, you know. Right
now they're just going to probably utilize him the same way.
So if something happens in the again, they're gonna probably
look somewhere else. Man, what is the security that we have.
We don't have no security right now. You guys are
using us to accomplish what you guys want, and then
when it's time for us to re up or asks
for something that we think is right, you guys just
turn the cheek and say, well you have wear and tear.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
It's like, come on now, bro, like you know what
you're trying to do.
Speaker 10 (36:49):
You're trying to utilize us as much as you can
get the much you out you can out of us
for cheating and then you know, I mean, go get
another back or something like that and try to do
the same thing again.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
That's the trend that is happened right now.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Hmmm. I think that the part that Naji Harris and look,
Naji's a bright dude, but there's the he doesn't have
any security. Okay, he was offered a multi year extension,
it just wasn't at the amount that he thought he
should get. And you know, the perfect ent like Dalvin
(37:26):
Cook and I know he's got a bad shoulder and
some off the field stuff, but look at the list
of guys that are unsigned. They can hold out as
long as they want, but the market has dictated that
teams don't have to give him along multi year deal.
And yeah, he had thirty percent of the offense, but
if he doesn't play, somebody else is going to account
for at least twenty percent of the offense. You may
(37:49):
not be as good, But if you could have that
ten million, eleven million dollars to move around, maybe could
be as good. You get two players for that, two
running backs for that, and they would they would you know,
they would earn up to thirty percent of the offense.
Just we're we're comparing these raw stats and this thought
of hey, I carry the ball, so I'm important with
(38:11):
the reality is that those feelings aren't shared and it
hasn't proven to be successful for a long time in
the NFL. For a long time. It is really hard
to sustain a level of success and dominance as a
running back. And as you get older, you're gonna need
more help from your offensive line and you're gonna have
(38:32):
to make less money because you're gonna get banged up,
you're gonna play less. Like this is just I mean it,
I don't really I understand the argument because it's a
it's feeling based argument he's and the fact that he's
trying to use is a thirty percent of the offense. Okay,
no one's disputing that he's good. Giants offered him a
(38:55):
multi yere extension. He turned it down. It just wasn't
at the mount that he wanted. They're trying to manage
their book. He doesn't go into the owner or GM's pocket,
it goes to another player. And while you can say, hey,
you shouldn't pay Daniel Jones that much, I'd say the
pushback would be that, I mean, he's not close to
the highest paid. It feels like he's paid a little
(39:15):
bit more, but he's paid a little bit more because
his contract is shorter. And you know, just to guess,
I don't know how many years say Quan's deal with
the Giants was. But the shorter you shorter the contract,
the more you can make. The longer the contract, the
more the guarantees, the less you can at least the
less you can make. And for a quarterback, what's essentially
a two year deal is not a long term deal.
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the one on one league. Can't wait to ask him
about a myriad a myriad of NBA top that's fifteen
minutes away. Wait to hear what Jerry Jones said about
the running back market, and then Daniel Jeremiah will join
(01:09):
us next hour. Actually DJ is out at Chargers Camp today.
Chargers Camp is fairly close to where I live, and
I know he was out there earlier. Today. We'll ask
Kim about I think what we want to talk about
the lead topic, which is justin Herbert gets a new
contract or contract extension. So that's the show today. Plus
we have a really good midway. I'm torn on the
(01:31):
midway here. I know our plan was would you sign
up to do a reality show, but I'm wondering, you know,
for the podcast, I want to do a little UFO
talk because there's that dude who was an Air Force
pilot who's claiming that the government has was it non
human non human remains? Yeah, there's a UFO hearing. And
(01:51):
there's a new term as well, which I had not
heard before, a UAP, jay Su, what's a UAP again?
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Identified aerial phenomenon? Which the P is so misleading there
because it's pronounced like.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
F yes yes, so a U A P. This This
feels like, you know, just potato patato. This feels like
what used to be a stewardess is now a flight attendant.
Everybody's now an actor. That doesn't make any sense to
me that everybody's an actor, but apparently everybody's an actor,
and UFOs unidentified fly an object is now an unidentified
(02:32):
aviation phenomenon. Is that what it is?
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Aerial phenomenon?
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Aerial phenomenon, aerial phenomenon. Who is the guy who's like,
you know, we got to change this. It's not completely
accurate what we're doing with UFOs. We need who is
the person? This is? This is what? What's This is
the part of new age society which all of us
(02:58):
old guys are yelling, get off my lawn. There was
never a moment where like, you know, UFO is somehow
offensive and we got to change it. I don't know,
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Herbert's new deal, which technically the final tally comes out
as the hugest contract ever. Look into the details and
it's like one hundred and thirty three million guaranteed. And
(03:40):
I think I think the part that is bizarre is
what I've seen in some parts of media, but a
lot of social media, which is well, Pat Mahomes is
a discount. Now he's the biggest discount in NFL history. Like, Okay,
(04:02):
the way it works when you sign a long term
contract extension is it protects you and it's got to
on some level protect the team. And if you look
at the details of the Chiefs deal, which without any
question will be redone at some point in time, if
you look at the details of the Chiefs deal, you
start to realize that he protected himself by getting just
(04:24):
a ton of money long term deal, loves the system,
loves what he's in, doesn't want to move. All of
that stuff just all makes sense to him. And they
protected themselves by we just we're not going to keep
going back to the well, we got cost certainty. Once
you get to fifty million dollars a year, you should
be pretty good. There's also the idiot on social media
(04:47):
talking about a contract that he signed three years ago. Look,
that's three years ago. That money is in the bank,
that money is making more money. Every penny he has
that wasn't spent in taxes is making more money. That's why,
like when you win the lottery, they always tell you
take all the money up front because that money makes
(05:07):
money if you know what you're doing. And when you
get to this, when you get to this number of
commas to commas, you have somebody. You'll usually hire somebody
good and it's not impossible, but it's very, very difficult
to blow it all. But the one big takeaway I
have is I don't care what Emmanuel Acho says. I
(05:31):
don't care what social media idiot says. If you can't
see how good justin Herbert is the easiest way to
point out how good he is. There's not an NFL analyst,
anyone associated with the league who covers the league who said,
there go like Herbert, how much that's too much? Does
(05:53):
it mean he's gonna win a Super Bowl? It doesn't.
Does it mean that the Chargers have achieved as much
success as they should and they're up twenty seven and
twenty seven nothing last year in the playoffs and couldn't
win the game against Jaguars. It's embarrassing. It doesn't mean
he's perfect, but there isn't a soul who has legitimacy
in NFL circles. That sits there. He goes like, I
(06:14):
can't believe they signed Justin Herbert to a big deal,
but I've actually heard that. Well, I did want to plaoff.
I won a playoff game. Okay, playoff games are hard
to win, you know, but not one I was batted,
(06:35):
not a single one. And we have where it looked
for a while like, man, are we going to have
a next generation of quarterbacks? Because the Breeze thing, the
Brady thing, the Rivers thing, those lasted even in Rodgers,
they lasted way longer than previous generations, and there wasn't
really a next regime. Now there is. Mahome is obviously
(06:57):
the best and most accomplished, and then you got Burrow
and Herbert, and it feels like, you know, people believe
Jalen Hurts. I would only say about Jalen Hurts obviously
is way better than we thought. The sustainability of how
good will he be when new offensive coordinator? But also
at some point in time when that contract hits the
(07:17):
you know, hits the salary cap, can he carry a team?
But we have our next generation, our next regime of
all young quarterbacks, and Burrow's the next one to get signed.
That'll get done, and as they said, we got a
bunch of other guys to sign as well.
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He was at Chargers camp today. I don't know if
(08:06):
he's calling us from Charger camp or what, but we'll
definitely have to catch up with him momentarily. But before
we do, let's get to the midway. He's not getting
the middle with you.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
It's time for he stuck in the middle.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
The midway, Okay, the midway today. Midway is the middle
of the show, middle week, middle of the day. It
can be anything. So hmm, this is good, really really good.
(08:44):
This is good. Okay. So The Quarterback is a reality
show and it's popular it's on Netflix. I've watched it.
I think it's outstanding. Apparently you have several of these
quarterbacks who have turned it down turned it down, So
that brings us to the question, would you what is it?
(09:05):
Would you do any reality show? Jase do? I? By
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do do we want to do any reality shows or
specific reality show?
Speaker 2 (09:25):
The nature of the reality show that the quarterback, I
think is so put yourself in the shoes of the quarterback.
But you're not a quarterback, You're just your talk show host.
John Ramos is a technical producer. Isaac is an update
guy Slash play by play guy Slash, I rip off
your your passwords for streaming guy. The reality show is
(09:50):
you're going to sign a contract and for the next
several months you're going to have a reality show crew
and includes producers that prompt you, that have you retell
stories if not told well enough, that prompt you to
change subjects or speak on a subject. You have film
crews that set up lighting on a daily basis in
(10:12):
your home. They follow you to work and do the
exact same thing to your work and the people that
you work with for months and months. Would you sign
up for that?
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Let's ask guys, a glowing corn I Low.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
Well, it's funny that this'd be the topic.
Speaker 6 (10:31):
I've actually never really told anybody, but I actually once
made a pilot show, a reality show like that. It
was going to be called It was tentatively titled I
Low and Behold. It was going to be on Hulu Minus,
but the deal actually fell through. I'm just joking, by
the way, not a bad title. I must say this
(10:55):
part is actually true. So back when I was in
high school, the La Times, remember the prep extra section, Doug, Yeah, okay,
So they actually did an article on me, you know,
who's this idiot kid who's announcing his high school football games.
That actually did turn out to be the actual title,
by the way, But they sent a photographer, like a
professional photographer on assignment to shoot me and follow me
(11:20):
around at one of our high school football games. And
it was very very disconcerting. Now I was young, I
wasn't used to it, but just having somebody follow you
around all the time and they're just doing their job,
it becomes very self conscious and a little disconcerting after
a while. And looking at it now from an adult standpoint,
I think it would be a lot more self conscious
(11:42):
if you, like, didn't have final say on the content,
because if there was something you did during the course
of your regular life, could it be misconstrued or misinterpreted
to make you seem like some sort of ogre or
horrible person. So I guess it would be the editorial
control you would have it, but I would honestly say no.
(12:03):
And I do that also out of respect for the crew,
which would be bored out of their minds following me
around except when I'm on with you guys.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Of course.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Jase too.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
So I used to work with Rodney Pete. Rodney Pete
star at USC quarterback, played in the NFL for many years.
Everyone knows Rodney pet He and his wife Holly do
a reality show, or at least did when I worked
with him for the Hallmark Channel, and it was kind
of done in the way that the Kardashians are done.
They just follow the family everywhere and one day they
(12:37):
had a shoot scheduled for work and Rodney asked if
I could just be there and produce kind of a
mock show for this reality show. And I remember we
did it, and you know, the producers are like, you know,
just act like yourselves. But then if you don't enter
the room right or you're not at the right angle,
(12:57):
they'll have you do it again. So it's nothing like
like real. So and then I watched it back on
the reality show and I saw my you know, the
camera says that it adds ten pounds. There were there
must have been multiple cameras on me because it was
multiple times ten pounds. It was hard to look at myself.
(13:18):
I had to turn off my TV. I do not
want to see no one. No one deserves to see
me on TV, and I don't want to see myself
on TV. That part of it really turns me off. Now,
if there's millions of dollars behind this and a chance
to increase a platform that I'm not seeking, maybe maybe
(13:40):
there's a consideration there, but there's so much no. I
wouldn't and and it's because I don't. I don't need
the publicity, and you don't.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
You don't think like you don't think it could it
could help your career.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Help the career, and that it would put more money
in my bank. Yeah, but the opportunities, the intrusiveness of it,
of this I give and take with it. Yeah, but
that's what this conversation is about, right, I mean, to me,
the intrusiveness probably does not outweigh or or undercut what
(14:19):
I would be making on it. I just feel that strong.
And remember I was on blind Date, and you know
everything that you do, every conversation you have is scrutinized
by a producer just off camera, and they tell you
to resay things that are interesting. Let's set up the
cameras and redo what the conversation you just had. It's
(14:42):
it's again, the most unreal thing you ever see is
reality TV. And to me, it's just off putting in
and intrusive.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
All right, to Genramas.
Speaker 7 (14:54):
Well, I would be for it myself and probably my
son Lucas. Suzanne and Sarah would not be for it.
So I don't know who would break the tide. Jonah,
He's only four, so I'm not sure he'd be able
to do that. But I'd be fine with it. Like
you said, I mutually doesn't matter if you're I mean,
I don't think we'd be interesting. But if that's not
(15:14):
really the question, if just whether or not you'd want
to do it, I would say yes for me.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
Stay tuned for the ramos. What the most is coming
this fall?
Speaker 1 (15:21):
I mean, you know, I mean, like listen by the way, guys,
by the way, guys, would they do the Is there
any what are the percentage chances Jase do based upon
what he said they would do the reality show?
Speaker 3 (15:33):
What are the chances that would do the reality show?
Speaker 5 (15:36):
I wasn't the classic elevator parch I suppose no, he.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Said, you know, I says Suzanne wouldn't want to do it,
So he's out.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Right.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
John's out right, John out right.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
I'd be a yes, I'd like to I'd like to
do it. I don't think Here's the thing. I don't
even think John would ask Suzanne. Am I right?
Speaker 7 (16:01):
Would I ask her if it's okay to do reality show?
Speaker 8 (16:04):
Well?
Speaker 7 (16:05):
I probably would, Doug, because I mean it probably probably
wouldn't be too cool to have he would just show
up at our house.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Because you wouldn't know because you wouldn't do it though.
Speaker 7 (16:14):
Oh right, right, I see what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Right, You're like, I'm not going to ask. I already
know the answer.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
A good point.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
The answer is hell to the no, Right, that's the
that's the answer. Yeah, I would do it. I would
do it. And there's a litany of reasons why I
would do it. Let me kind of read them out
to you. I Mean, the first thing is you're gonna
(16:41):
make money doing it, and you know, like as much
as they want you to do it a certain way,
at the end of the day, it's up to you.
It's a reality show. You can be you. I have
yet to see somebody who is a good person come
off as anything other than a good person on a
reality show. And I think especially if these quarterback guys,
(17:04):
and it's incredibly stupid they you know, they make him
look like they're angels. I mean, it's not hard for
Kirk Cousins because he probably is actually a living angel.
But I get it, Jason, like, you don't want people
in your life. You'd like your privacy, like your quiet.
You know, I'm not that way. I don't care about
my privacy all that much, and I would love to
(17:26):
see what my life looks like through a different lens.
I actually think that would be interesting.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
So in case there are some producers out there who
are now interested, what would you want the title to
be I've got either got got leave like got milk?
Or Beware of Doug.
Speaker 7 (17:47):
Why would you want to be aware of him?
Speaker 3 (17:48):
I don't know, so good.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Yeah, that's a don't go near Doug.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
That's next.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
I thought he was going to do I Dream of
Doug or something, because they're all old TV references from
my love that was. That was my fear that it
was all old DV references from ilow.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
How about Dig Doug?
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Good video game?
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Right play on the old video game Dig was It
was a really good video game, but dig also having
a double meaning like, hey we dig Doug. We all
dig Doug.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Why shouldn't you? Why shouldn't you? Uh? Okay, Now, what
about this, Jase Due, If you're a quarterback, would you
do the Quarterback Show?
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Yeah? Now?
Speaker 2 (18:29):
That so that, I think also goes into the category
of do I am I seeking attention? In this social
media era, it's filled with a generation of people that
does seek attention, doesn't mind the attention. So man, if
(18:50):
I'm the quarterback, I don't need any extra attention.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
I don't need it.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
But if you put yourself in the shoes of this generation,
it just seems like a natural thing. And it is
surprising to see like a Jalen Hurts and Justin Fields,
even though I know I think he's already done one
before pass up on this. I'm shocked that they are
actually their generation. But no, no, if I'm even a quarterback,
(19:16):
I don't. I don't want the attention. I don't want it.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
I love your quarterback has to change your opinion.
Speaker 6 (19:24):
Yes, because I have more leverage in that situation. I'll
have my own representation and pr people who can control
the content to maybe portray me in if at least
not a completely positive light, a realistic but non negative light.
(19:45):
So yes, because I would have more leverage and more
control for my own for lack of a better term, brand,
if I was a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
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Speaker 2 (20:14):
The one that I watch, obviously is a Bachelor, All
the Bachelors, and I think that does it. I think
that's that's the only one I do.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
I did that.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
I did The Housewives of New Jersey and it was
very compelling, and then I stopped watching for whatever reason.
But no, I don't do a lot of reality TV.
Just the Bachelor franchise.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
I don't either, But I like the the f One show.
I like the Quarterback I too like The Bachelor. Generally,
I'll watch it.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Some Oh you know what, if you're including these sports things,
I guess the hard knocks I do watch, yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
And I'm in the middle of the golf one one
of the caddies, no I have.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
I'm not seeing that.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Pretty good, pretty good, pretty pretty good.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
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Speaker 1 (21:08):
It's Doug Gotlip Show Fox Sports Radio coming to you
from the Tyrack dot com studios. He's a Hall of Famer.
He was a seven time All Star. He led the
NBA in scoring All NBA First Team twice. He's Tracy
McGrady of course, he also owns and runs the OBL
that's the Ones Basketball League and they actually have a
show out new show out on Showtime. It's a series
(21:29):
called Bonded by Ball Inside the OBL, and he joins
us on the Doug Gotlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Tracy,
what what led you to want to start the OBL?
Speaker 8 (21:42):
Just giving back to the basketball community for guys that
I think, if you're a basketball fan should know about
these guys that participated in OBL on his platform that
have an you niue skill set in one on one.
You know, it really stems from me being a unknown
(22:02):
basketball player in Central Florida and when I completed my
junior season in high school, as a guy that was
affiliated with Adidas came down to my school to give
me an opportunity to participate in this platform that Sonny
Baccaro created called ABCD Camp. And I knew nothing about
(22:22):
this camp, and so I go there. I'm hearing about
all these top players in the nation that I read about,
and you know, I play. I have a great camp.
I go from unknown to be the number one player
in the country in high school my senior year, and
that's because of this platform. And nothing really changed about
(22:43):
me as a basketball player is just you know, the
exposure that I gained from this, And you know, when
you talk about basketball, if the pure essence of one
on one is the pure essence of it. So creating
this platform for guys that I know that are not
on an NBA roster, that are not on a j
league but have a unique skill set for the basketball
(23:03):
fans to see, I figure, why not create this UFC
created for their fighters. I can create this for my
basketball players to create superstars out of this league.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
It's a great idea. The question becomes, can you get
it to where you know the NBA the best one
on one NBA players participate, right, So, because that's what
I don't know if it brings credibility, but that gives
us a sense of just how good somebody is. But
the problem with the NBA players is, and tell me
if I'm wrong, they don't want to lose. It is
(23:35):
a no way situation for some of those dudes.
Speaker 8 (23:40):
I think eventually it'll be a part of All Star Weekend.
I think it has to be because you know, Ostar
weekend is kind of dry now, there's really no great
excite entertainment. The Slam dunk contest is not what.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
It used to be.
Speaker 8 (23:54):
The All Star Game is not what it used to be.
So I think they got to brain some new found energy,
and I think one on one back well could be
the case for.
Speaker 9 (24:04):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Obviously, you famously went straight out of high school to
the NBA. Your first year was rough, right, Uh, you've
even described it as as hell. Now, guys they can't
go they can't go straight out of high school, but
they can't go to the G League. They go overseas,
they go play in college with then get nil. If
you were coming out now, what would be the path
(24:24):
you choose?
Speaker 8 (24:27):
Oht no separate way. The wind blows.
Speaker 9 (24:30):
Man.
Speaker 8 (24:30):
You know these kids are getting you know, millions of
dollars to in nil to stay in college. So and
a lot of stories that I hear is college was
a fun time. Who knows, I probably would have, you know,
went to Kentucky for a year and probably had a
million or two in nil deal booster or the team
(24:51):
comes back and say we'll give you some more to
stay another year, Like, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (24:56):
How to win?
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Is gonna blow?
Speaker 8 (24:58):
Man? There's so much going on out here in amateur sports,
in college sports, and in the NBA. I don't know.
I couldn't tell you, Doug fair enough.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
All right, how about this one? You know, another famous
part of your career was you didn't have good playoffs success.
I mean, how many years in Houston did y'all ming
get hurt? You just anything that could go wrong in
the playoffs went wrong for your teams in the playoffs.
So I'm wondering as you watch Damian Lillard knowing you
still made the Hall of Fame, but you're not considered
(25:29):
at the level that all of your accolades should be. Like,
you're not in the discussion of the all time greats,
even though based upon how dynamic you were, you probably
should be. So so it comes down to your teams
didn't win enough in the playoffs. How do you feel
about watching Damian Lillard now finally say, you know what,
enough's enough. I got to get to Miami somewhere I
(25:51):
compeat in the playoffs.
Speaker 8 (25:53):
Yeah, I think if anybody deserves to make that statement
in wanting to leave a frenchise of his dame, I mean,
he's given Portland everything you could you can want out
of a player, and not just on the basketball court.
But he's a great ambassador in the community as well.
So I'm hoping that he could find a home that
(26:16):
to where he can compete for a championships because I
think he deserves that. I mean, he's given Portland everything
that you know, he could possibly give them, But it's
time to move on and compete before it's too late.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Paul Pierce has come out and said, hey, look, man,
I was better than Dwayne Wade. I just didn't get
the attention of Dwayne Wade. I'll allow you because that
was your era in the league. Paul Pierce or Dwayne Wade,
who do you think is better.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
They?
Speaker 8 (26:42):
I mean, listen, both was great, man. I can't sit
here and say one was better than the others. Paul
won a championship with older Ray Allen, with the older
Kevin Garnett. You know, had he had some some of
the young players like a young Lebron and young Chris Bosh,
I think would have won more championship. All just based
on the line of who you play with and what
(27:04):
you was able to do with what you have. And
you know, I think when Paul finally got some talent
around him, he won a championship. Dwayne Wade was you know,
ugly in the conversation the top five greatest shoes out
of all the time because he won Talent Loise. They
both are great talents. I don't know who's better, but
they both are great talents and they both played different different,
(27:26):
different positions on the basketball court.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
If if if Victor Evan Yama came and sat down
next to you and said, T Mac, I watched your tape, man,
just show me the way, what would you tell him
about about being so young and about evolving into an
NBA star.
Speaker 8 (27:45):
Well, I don't have to be that because he's around
that as you know greatness. I mean you're talking about
Coach Pop, You're talking about Tim Duncan and David Robinson.
Like he's surrounded by greatness. He's going to get the
best of vice that anyone could give him. So T
Mac has not competed on the level that he's surrounded by.
(28:06):
That's you know, it was going to be his ear
every single day. So my advice don't mean anything to
what you know. These guys are going to get him
on a daily basis. He don't need to hear from me,
all right, I.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Mean you could give him a pretty good guy, all right,
How about this. You were in San Antonio right twenty
thirteen on that NBA Finals run where you have Game
six one, you got it one missing pre throws and
of course Raywn hits the three. But you were what
do you remember about that game?
Speaker 8 (28:40):
I just I remember thinking, Dan, I'm actually about to
see an NBA a celebration of winning a championship, like
up sitting on the bench, locked arms, thinking were about
to win.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
You see the.
Speaker 8 (28:56):
Staffers roll out to tape, they bringing out the trophy.
I'm like, damn, this is really happening. So I'm living
in the moment, right. But then Tim Duncan is sitting
over here on the sideline, they get that rebound, kick
it out said ray hit the three. It was like
just crush everything, man like it like the life was
(29:16):
sucked out of the team after that fault on that
and it was just it was a sad moment.
Speaker 9 (29:22):
Not that you know.
Speaker 8 (29:24):
If we would have won a championship, I would have
been head over heels and excited about winning because me,
you know, the level that I played on, I would
want to go through the journey and the fire with
those guys. And that didn't happen for me. I was
really just like a Renter player because Pop called me
at the end of that season and told me that
they had some injuries that just needed an extra body. So,
(29:47):
you know, just for me to be a part of
that experience, it was greating itself. But man, that shot Bro,
it just really it took the life out of that team.
And then going back to Game seven, I just knew
we wasn't gonna win. In Game seven, he just felt
the energy was just different, it shifted.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Yeah, sorry to bring up that tough moment, but I
just you were there, so I had to I had
to know this. All four episodes of Bonded by Ball
inside the obl Okay premiere consecutively on Showtime Extremes. That's
starting at ten Eastern and Pacific this Friday, July twenty eighth.
All episodes be available on demand Paramount Plus with Showtime
subscribers on the day of the premiere. And of course,
(30:27):
the commissioner, the guy who runs it. He's invented this
scene is the one and only Hall of Famer Tracy McGrady. Tracy,
thanks so much for your time. Man, Let's catch up soon.
Speaker 8 (30:36):
Thank you, appreciate you. Mare.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
All right, that's Tea Mac join us Stug Gottlieb show
here on Fox Sports Radio. That was fun. It was
fun to catch up with Tracy McGrady. That man, he's
talking about his son of Acao. Of course he's part
of that was that Air was the movie Air. Yeah,
that was sunny and ABCD camp was where I wasn't
discovered there, but like I went there two years in row.
(30:59):
My first year was ninety three in Yipsilanti, Michigan, and
it was up and down. My second year I was
I had a great camp and I got scholarship all
first from everywhere. It's amazing what opportunity opportunity can do.
I love this quote. So Jerry Jones spoke out about
the running back mark in the current economic system the
(31:20):
team works with. I want you to take a listen
to this because remember Jerry famously paid Ezekie Elliott early
and we said it was a mistake of the time.
It turned out to be a mistake. And oh yeah,
by the way, at the time he had Tony Pollard
and it felt like I don't know if he could
have played a hard ball with Zeke or at least
let Zeke play out his contract, much like Maney of
these teams are doing so does did Jerry learn from
(31:44):
that situation? Here's Jerry Jones.
Speaker 9 (31:46):
There's no free lunch. You have to weigh the impact
to the team on every decision that you make, and
the system will cause it to evolve. And the system
has gotten more relative to the budgets that you have.
It's gotten more quarterback friendly and less running back friendly.
(32:06):
That isn't just the Cowboys. That's the game as it
is today.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
It's true now you could point out how much teams
that have paid their quarterback at the top of the market,
with the exception of the Chiefs, have struggled to win
in the playoffs. That's fair, but it's easier to point
out how you know, you could go back two decades
and you be hard pressed with a couple exceptions, you'd
(32:35):
be hard pressed to find the the guy okay, who
has exceeded expectations or even lived up to expectation that
second contract. Adrian Peterson would probably be one of the
only ones. But even Adrian Peterson remember fairly limited as
far as catching the ball of the backfield. And you know,
(32:59):
like he of course came back was nfil MVP after
and Comeback Player of the Year after coming back from
the ACL injury. But basically Jerry Jones like, look, the
market dictates these things we don't, and teams are finally
getting smart. It's much like the if you don't have
a star quarterback, your best your better bet. Your best
(33:19):
bet is having a rookie quarterback making little money. Yes,
the quarterback money is obscene, but that's about half the league.
The other half of the league is on rookie quarterback deals,
and that's how you build up your roster. That's all
part of the economics, you know, it's all part of it.
(33:40):
Look at what Seattle was able to do last year
when they had two quarterbacks. Neithery've made very much money.
They end up with Gino. Now, they paid Geno I
think what twenty this year, but compared to other people,
it's not that much. They may be overpaying him, but
they're like, look, you're fine, you're good. Now we can
continue to fill out roster with more talented players. That's
(34:02):
all the balance of the salary cap. And it just
doesn't make any sense except to people's emotions, that you
overpay running backs. You know, So I just I think,
(34:22):
I truthfully honestly think that Jerry Jones, for the first
time ever is the voice of reason in the economy
of the National Football League economy nash Footballague. Now do
you guys hear this where the Bills are reportedly trying
to play hardball with name Hyms because he was injured
(34:43):
in a jet ski accident. And it's interesting, right, like,
could they say, hey, dude, it wasn't your fault. Somebody
crashed into you.
Speaker 8 (35:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
That's a tough one. It's a tough one.
Speaker 7 (35:03):
We mean they could, they could, right, yes, Doug. But
the problem is is that I wonder if he had
something in his contract that I mean, even though he
didn't actually go out there himself and hit somebody, somebody
hit him, he's still in a dangerous situation, correct, I guess.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know, Like you don't think
all these guys jet ski or do something fun, Like
you're on a boat and somebody else's boat and something happens,
something flies up and hits you in the head and
you're out for a couple of weeks. In this case,
he's out for the years. Yeah, I guess it's one
of those things. It's like the old you could drive
(35:40):
a car with your feet, but that doesn't make it
a good idea.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
That's a good point.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
You Now, you could take back his money and withhold
his money, but that doesn't necessarily make it a good idea.
On the other hand, if he's not liked within the
locker room and you think he's a waste of money
and you don't care, then by all means. By the way,
speaking of the running backs, here's Nase Harris. He had
this to say about Saquon Barkley's contract in the running back.
Speaker 10 (36:05):
Markets accumulated for almost thirty percent of the offense, Like,
why can't you look at that and say, okay, well,
you know he said, he's not trying to break the
market or set the market, but he's trying to get
compensated of what he think is fair, which they think
what two parts should think it is fair too, And
I think that, well, I know that they know themselves
that that ain't fair, like what he's getting. You know,
he wanted a long contract to know his security there
(36:26):
right now he doesn't have no security, you know. Right
now they're just going to probably utilize him the same way.
So if something happens in the again, they're gonna probably
look somewhere else. Man, what is the security that we have.
We don't have no security right now. You guys are
using us to accomplish what you guys want, and then
when it's time for us to re up or asks
for something that we think is right, you guys just
turn the cheek and say, well you have wear and tear.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
It's like, come on now, bro, like you know what
you're trying to do.
Speaker 10 (36:49):
You're trying to utilize us as much as you can
get the much you out you can out of us
for cheating and then you know, I mean, go get
another back or something like that and try to do
the same thing again.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
That's the trend that is happened right now.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Hmmm. I think that the part that Naji Harris and look,
Naji's a bright dude, but there's the he doesn't have
any security. Okay, he was offered a multi year extension,
it just wasn't at the amount that he thought he
should get. And you know, the perfect ent like Dalvin
(37:26):
Cook and I know he's got a bad shoulder and
some off the field stuff, but look at the list
of guys that are unsigned. They can hold out as
long as they want, but the market has dictated that
teams don't have to give him along multi year deal.
And yeah, he had thirty percent of the offense, but
if he doesn't play, somebody else is going to account
for at least twenty percent of the offense. You may
(37:49):
not be as good, But if you could have that
ten million, eleven million dollars to move around, maybe could
be as good. You get two players for that, two
running backs for that, and they would they would you know,
they would earn up to thirty percent of the offense.
Just we're we're comparing these raw stats and this thought
of hey, I carry the ball, so I'm important with
(38:11):
the reality is that those feelings aren't shared and it
hasn't proven to be successful for a long time in
the NFL. For a long time. It is really hard
to sustain a level of success and dominance as a
running back. And as you get older, you're gonna need
more help from your offensive line and you're gonna have
(38:32):
to make less money because you're gonna get banged up,
you're gonna play less. Like this is just I mean it,
I don't really I understand the argument because it's a
it's feeling based argument he's and the fact that he's
trying to use is a thirty percent of the offense. Okay,
no one's disputing that he's good. Giants offered him a
(38:55):
multi yere extension. He turned it down. It just wasn't
at the mount that he wanted. They're trying to manage
their book. He doesn't go into the owner or GM's pocket,
it goes to another player. And while you can say, hey,
you shouldn't pay Daniel Jones that much, I'd say the
pushback would be that, I mean, he's not close to
the highest paid. It feels like he's paid a little
(39:15):
bit more, but he's paid a little bit more because
his contract is shorter. And you know, just to guess,
I don't know how many years say Quan's deal with
the Giants was. But the shorter you shorter the contract,
the more you can make. The longer the contract, the
more the guarantees, the less you can at least the
less you can make. And for a quarterback, what's essentially
a two year deal is not a long term deal.
Host
Doug Gottlieb
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