May 2, 2024 • 51 mins
On a Thursday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug explains why Luka Doncic should be the main story from game five of the Mavs-Clippers series.
Doug welcomes draft expert Daniel Jeremiah onto the show to go over all of the main headlines coming off of the NFL Draft.
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Welcome in. There's a really important thing if you're going
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to do this job. Okay, and when you do this
job and I love my job, you know, yet you
have different things. You know, when you're like getting ready
to sign like a contract extension which I signed recently,
I get to this in there like do I love
this job? And I really do, but you have to
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I was taught a long time ago. There's two or
three people who helped my path along the way in
terms of Guidance and Bruce Gilbert. We talked about yesterday
a guy named Scott Masteller who used to work with
us over at the other place, and honestly, Scott Shapiro,
who's one of my boss is here and we talked
about play the hits. Play the hits, Play the hits,
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talk about the thing that people talk about the most.
But there's also has to be an unselfishness about it,
and you can't talk about necessarily what you think is important,
what you want to talk about. Right, It's a really
hard thing, and there have been there are people that
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do it a different way, but every piece of data
I've ever seen says, hey, you're going to last in
this business. And I've been in this business for over
twenty years. If you follow this one rule, don't talk
about what you want to talk about, talk about what
most people want to talk about. Well, gonna be hard
because I had a tweet that somehow has spiraled into
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being viral and like eleven million impressions, and I the
tweet wasn't about me. People want to make it about me.
So we'll talk about that. Let's do second hour of
the show. Is that okay? Okay?
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Good?
Speaker 1 (02:22):
This is something I think everyone wants to talk about,
but we're talking about the wrong thing. When the Denver
Nuggets beat the LA Lakers for a second consecutive year,
what was the point of discussion after the series was
over the LA Lakers, Right, I mean, look, some of
it is they're the most or second most successful franchise.
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I think that the most successful franchise in the history
of the spport. Now Boston people will tell you that's
a bunch of bull, right, That's a bunch of bull,
because you know they can get to the truth is
that the Celtics and their level of success since the
eighties has been one title. The Lakers, who were great
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in the eighties as arch rivals and in the seventies
have had the Kobe three pete, the Kobe two peat,
and then Lebron James championship. So they're the best or
second best franchise in the history of the sport. I
get it. Lebron James is somewhere between the best and
one of the two or three four best players in
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the history of the sport. So with that in mind,
I get that we're going to talk about it, but
there has to be a point in the argument or
in the discussion where we sit there and go like
all that is interesting, But the real point that matters
is that Jokich is unbelievable, right, and that Aaron Gordon
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has went from being a star as the best player
in Orlando to the third option and has totally dived
into that role and has flourished because of it. Jamal Murray,
who's never been an All Star, is a closer for them.
In fact, he single handedly closed out two games for
the Nuggets. It's really a fascinating team. But we spent
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a lot of energy and time talking about the Lakers.
Even today we're gonna get to we have NBA gyess.
We talked about the w Lakers. The Lakers aren't playing,
They're not going to play for another five months. Don't matter. Well,
last night the Clippers got embarrassed by the Denver by
the Dallas Mavericks. This after an awesome performance in Game
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four to even the series at two a piece. And
I was thinking about going to the game and I'm like,
ah ah, So I grabbed my son. He went and
played pickup ball at twenty four hour fitness which I
will point out that my son told me I was
no longer a hooper last night because the guys like
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you want to play and I was gonna work him out,
and I had some like walking around Jordan's on you
don't play and walking around Jordan's I didn't have any
hoop shoes in my car, Like, man, that's embarrassing. All
hoopers should have a ball shorts hoop shoes in your car.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
I have a question. Yes, I was just thinking that
the other day. So are the are the walk around
Jordan's not made to play ball in your feet?
Speaker 1 (05:27):
You can still playing them? Absolutely, Oh okay, but you
just don't. These are air Jordan threes with a little
white and red.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
They are.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
They are dope shoes.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
They are. You need to have two if you're gonna
play in one.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
No, you don't. Just don't play in jordan But.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
I mean, I don't play in Jordan's. So I'm with Doug.
But if you're gonna then you have two pairs, and
ones that you wear to play and ones that you
wear to look good in.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Yes, and I looked good. Yeah, threes are good and
and a lot of and a lot of guys at
the gym were like I was like, I am playing
these They're like, yeah, I get it, but then are like,
don't you have some shoes in your car? I'm like,
actually I don't.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
And that's where he missed.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
That's a problem problem. Anyway, the discussion today is going
to be, at least in small part about Russell Westbrook,
who who's had a disaster of a series, About Kawhi
Leonard who still can't get healthy, about playoff p Paul George,
who has carried this team at the pass couldn't last night.
Or maybe it's about James Harden, who everyone likes to
point out he's just not as good a playoff player
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as he has been a regular season player when he's
been a league MVP. And I could actually defend James Harden, like, look, dude,
he's thirty four years old and he's kind of an
old thirty four like. Harden famously hasn't been one to
super take care of his body, you know, big Strip
Club guy when he was in Houston. Everybody knows that.
Matter of fact, one of the reasons the Thunder moved
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off him when they went to the NBA Finals and
then they traded him was in addition to wanting a
huge contract, which he ended up deserving when he was
in Oklahoma City during the NBA Finals, which I think
they were swept or it was a gentleman's sweep. I
forget when they played the Miami Okay, Harden played poorly
and they were upset because he kept going out in Miami.
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Dude likes to go out. What does that do? Shortens
your career? Everybody knows that. But instead of talking about that,
why don't we talk about the fact that Luka Doncik's
probably the best or second best player in the league. Oh,
that's not sex like. Look, I get it. It's the
last it's likely the last Clipper game they'll play at
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what's called Crypto used to be Staples. They open their
own place. They have questions in this upcoming offseason. They
already resigned Kawhi. Most people think they'll resign Paul George.
But but maybe they make a move. I don't know,
you know, I don't know what you do with Harden.
I don't know what you do with Westbrook. I do
know that it doesn't feel like that's a championship roster.
But the big partion is I've seen them be the
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best team in the NBA. When when Kawhi was healthy,
but will Kawhi ever be healthy again? These are all
Rea discussions, but the top line should be holy cow,
is Luca good?
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Right?
Speaker 1 (08:11):
I mean well, I actually thought this in watching the
game last night. Can you imagine if Luca was from Iowa? No,
I'm serious, If Luca was from Iowa, right, he looks
like if you didn't know if his last name wasn't Dungeic,
if it was Luca Powell, Luca Green. He looked exactly
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the same, played exactly the same, only he was from
Des Moines, Iowa. Would we then be talking about the
fact that he had thirty five points, ten assists, seven rebounds,
one steal, two turnovers fourteen of twenty six, didn't shoot
the three terribly well, doesn't blow by anybody, but goes
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by people. He's like Paul Pierce, Who're like, is he
had to? Does he do it? And yet he was
far away the best player on the basketball floor last night,
complete control. He's so good that Kyrie Irving who And
by the way, Kyrie who, I kind of like how
he's playing with this team and Kyri didn't shoot the
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ball well last night. But Kyrie Irving will take a
subsidiary role to him and just let Luca do his
thing most of the game. That sacrifice of Bigo one
shows growth from Kyrie, but also shows he knows how
good that dude is. But that's not part of the
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discussion today, right, It's James Harden was two of twelve
and a minus twenty five, that Paul George was four
of thirteen. Russell Westbrook was two of eleven. Yikes, and
they got beat by They got thirty pieced at home,
thirty pieced at home. So maybe it's just me dealing
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with the reality of that's how we viewed sports now
and we always side with the negative, and maybe that's
how we've always dealt with media with any story, with
news stories as well, we always if it bleeds, it leads,
I get it. But holy cow, is Luka Donca good?
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Right?
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Like, all the same pressure is on Luca and it
would be fair to say that let me just read
you something real quick, okay, which is a better roster?
I know Kawhi didn't play last night, and I understand
that James Harden is thirty thirty four, so he's a
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little bit older. But James Harden, Paul George Russell Westbrook right,
along with trey Mann and Zubach. Zubach actually play well
and Trey Man or Luca and Kyrie, Okay Gafford, Derek Jones, PJ. Washington,
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Maxi Kleeber, Derek g Lively and Derek Glively. By the way,
they should add to Team USA. What a rim roller protector.
He's awesome. The point is that if you want to
say the Clippers didn't have Kawhi, that's fair. Even without Kawhi,
you could make an argument that on paper, their roster
is the same as the Clippers. The pressure is the
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same on Luka Doncik because Luca's team had a commanding
two games to one lead at home, had home court advantage,
and Kawhi leonards out indefinitely and they didn't take care
of business this past Sunday, and Luca, with all that
pressure on the road, just went in and completely annihilated
the Clippers. I understand, our job is to talk about
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what most people talk about, and most people want to
talk about the Clippers and the clip or curse and
what are they doing with Kawhi? Ever, be the same
and playoff Paul George and why is James Harden stuck
in the playoffs, and Russell Westbrooks washed and all those
other things. But holy cow, is Luka Donca good? And
if he was from Des Moines, Iowa, there wouldn't be
any of this negative discussion about him.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Let's focus on that. Let's focus on that because I
was a couple of weeks ago we had this discussion.
Is America willing to embrace a foreign player as the
face of the league? And I would say that, let's
make it even more specific, Are they willing to embrace
a white former player, I mean a foreign player? And
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my answer is no. And I think it's not only
because they're foreign born and we luck our homegrown products.
But I also think that within the league, like there
are a lot of Gilbert Arenas thinkers. In other words,
Gilbert Arenas is dumb enough to say it out loud,
but I think a lot of players have this like
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resentment towards the fact that the MVPs are foreign born
and that Luca is one of the best players and
he's a white foreign born player. I think there's a
I think there's a big aspect to that.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
I don't think I disagree with you on Luca. I
disagree with you on. I don't think I think Luca.
Everybody thinks Luca's legit. If you pulled NBA players and
you're like, who's the best, Dude's like, how many dudes
better than Luca? And I think the same thing would
occur with with.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Joker.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
With Joks right, by the way, now we've kind of turned.
People have turned on Embiid, right. We had Colin trade
Embiid and people talk about Embiid right, like, dude, Joe Embiid.
I understand that he's naturalized, he's American citizen, but born
in Cameroon, and people act like he stinks and he's amazing.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
It's just amazing.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
So uh, but I think that this story is not
about the players and their level of respect. Do look,
do do do all black players respect Joker or Luca?
Because without their the dynamic defense probably not. Jokers a
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lot better defensively than you think he is because he
puts his body in the way he knows how to
without protecting the rim. He protects the rim. And Luca's again,
same thing, uses his body. He's got size, it's not
He's not great defensively, but he's not terrible. But I
don't think any of this comes from players in the NBA,
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former players, some maybe an off hand player or two
or whatever. But I don't think I think this is
a fan thing. I think fans have it ingrained in
their head that the black player is the best player
and the white player is not. And Luca plays in
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a way and it really is similar. It's Larry Bird
meets Paul Pierce meets I think it's the combination of
those two and then you make him into like a
point guard. It meets kind of like James Harden in
terms of how much he can dominate the basketball. But
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it's an amazing thing to watch his footwork. It's an
amazing thing to watch him get off that step back.
Everybody knows it's coming, and he still gets it off.
He didn't shoot it well last night, and he's still again.
Can you play while we're not shooting well? Yes, I
just marvel at him. He's way bigger than you think,
he's way more athletic than you think. He's way tougher
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than you think, and he is not bothered by the
moment at all. And we can talk about all the
pressure on the Clippers. There were just much clip pressure
on Luca last night. By the way, here's Luca post
game and talking about the defense they played on James Harden.
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So game four, James Harden got thirty three. Today, you
guys locking down to seven points.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
What's something different or something special? I guess are game
for the game five.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
I think the Jones and PJ you know, they played
great defense. Career was playing great defense, you know, pressuring
him the whole time. Like I said, were just locked in,
were communicating. We know there's scoutings, so we just followed scouting.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Why do you think you guys were able to be
so good defensively night?
Speaker 4 (16:35):
I think we did a great job in a lot
of games. There was I think two halfs that we
didn't play good defensively. But everybody's on the same page
on defense. We're talking, we know what other players like
to do, and we just watch a lot of films,
we watch scouting and we just focused on I think
the communication we have on defense is the key and
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the energy.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
It's amazing. I get it. The Clippers let us down again,
and they have a big time coach. I think Tyler
ron Lows as good as coach as there is they
have on paper. When healthy, a great roster. But if
the story last night it is the Clippers, you were
watching a different game than me. Yes, Moncey Blair, I
agree with you.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
He is so good Luka Doncic, but I cannot stand
how much he whinds. I cannot, Like, you are so good,
you don't need to do that. There was one play,
was it Game four against the Clippers, and Westbrook had
that like foul on him and he whipped around really
harsh to sell it. I was like, you're gonna break
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your own arm on your own for being silly, for
trying to sell it.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
That's the one thing I wish he wasn't doing. It's
very euro and that's and you're probably right, but he's
so good. He's he's like, I can't even I get it.
To complain. I understand the complaining, and and your Lebron complains, Yeah,
as much.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
This is it. Yeah, Lebron is just as bad, if
not worse. Yeah, I just wish he wasn't like that.
But you're right European.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Yeah, yeah, but he's and he's like constantly feels like
he's constantly having a conversation with the other team, with
the fans whatever, like Yeah, that dude's awesome. He's so good,
He's so good, and yeah, it's a it's a it's
an entire experience watching him with the officials, with his teammates.
But if you're if you walk away from that game
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and you want to talk about Westbrook and Harden, like
it does, it feels like the Laker thing all over again.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
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Speaker 1 (18:41):
Doug got Leap Show, Fox Sports Radio. He was awesome
over the weekend because well that's his personal Christmas. Daniel
Jeremiah lead analyst for the NFL Network's coverage of the
NFL Draft, and he's also coached to the Move the
Six podcast, and he joined us in the Doug Gottlib
Show on Fox Sports Radio. Weird Draft this year, weird
and can I I'm just going to tell you how
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it felt from our perspective. Obviously, first rounds was so
much about quarterbacks, and then it did feel like second
and third day there was a lot a lot more
lesser known commodities. And I'm trying to figure out if
it's because of the transfer portal, because there wasn't quarterbacks
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or big name players like that, or the fact in
college football we only kind of pay attention to a
handful of teams now because of the playoff. How did
it feel to you in comparison to other drafts.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
Yeah, I mean I knew all the guys, I had
watched all of them, but I had said kind of
through the process. This was a weird year because it
was the kind of the in between year where you
have nil more so even than the transfer portal, but
just nil being able to keep some kids in school.
You have the sixth year, the COVID year that a
bunch of people had, so that just kind of almost
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eliminated a big chunk of a class. So I think
next year it'll get it'll kind of get back on track,
and I think you'll be more familiar with more of
the players once we get into the second third round.
But you know, this year, it was it was lean,
and that's why, you know, I thought it was smart
for teams that were doing two things in this draft.
You're trading up to get picks, you know, as many
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picks kind of as you can in that top fifty
sixty range. And then teams once you saw we got
to Day three, you know, I know that. I know
Philadelphia did this. I believe the Jets a couple other
teams as well. That started just you know, sending out
picks and getting picks for next year. You know, trade
a five this year for four next year. I thought
that was pretty astute observation of kind of where we
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were with this particular draft.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Okay, so let's get to the actual first round draft.
What what pick? Let you scratching your head the most
in the first round?
Speaker 6 (20:50):
Well, I mean it's not. I mean, I don't think
I'm going on a limb here and saying that. The
Michael Pennix to the Falcons was one that you know,
didn't have a my bingo card. I knew they liked him,
I knew they'd done a lot of work on him.
I thought there was, you know, a chance they trade
back and he could potentially be in the mix, or
they take somebody at eight and then maybe they come
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back up and take him at the bottom of two,
or if he's there in the second round, they would
take him. But I didn't have it in my calculus
that they would just sit and pick and take him
with the eighth pick. So that was one that you know,
that was was pretty surprising to me, you know, outside
of that, I don't know that there, you know, some
of the other smaller stuff just in terms of the
run on offense went as long as it did before
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we saw a defensive player. I think it was the
first what fourteen picks were all offense, So that was
a little bit of a surprise. Is definitely an offensive
heavy draft. I knew that and top heavy on the
offensive side of the ball, but I didn't imagine the
first defensive player would be uh, you know, would be
fifteen there with Leatu Latu to the Colts.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
No, I didn't think so. I didn't think so either.
So if the Falcons left a sky catching our heads
the most, what was the one that you set that? Like,
what do you think of bow Nicks with the with
the Broncos Like that one's interesting to me. I know
his numbers were great this year with Orgon. Yeah, but
we also we've seen him for a long time. He
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was older, and he struggled at times on the road
and definitely struggled back when he was in the SEC.
When you look at what and who he's replacing, who
he's going to work with, you know that that division
better than anybody on the face of the earth. What
do you think of bow Nicks being taken in a
place where he's going to be the starter in Denver?
Speaker 6 (22:33):
Yeah, I thought that was the spot for him. You know,
it's kind of one of those things where I think
if you're a if you're a scout who had a
good grade on bow Nicks, you were elated to see
him get draft by Denver because that that is by
far the best fit for him. It'll be the best
opportunity for him fitting in with what Sean Payton does
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in terms of protect the football. You know, quick decisions,
get the ball out of your hand, and then you
know strategic shots. You know they're not gonna it's not
going to be gratuitous with with vertical passing, but they'll
take their shots when they're when they're there. And you've
got somebody who chom Payton, who it was not a secret,
really really liked them. So you know, if he gets
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picked by another team, I think there'd be you'd be
sitting here going like, I don't know how that's going
to work, and the you know, a little bit limited
on the up side, but this would the one fit
for him. So you know, if I was in the
bow next camp, I'd be very happy about the way
that all worked out.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Stut Gotland Show here on Fox Sports Radio. We we
talked a lot about the Washington Commanders and what they
were going to do at quarterback, and they did what
you thought they would do most people thought they would do.
What about the overall draft? Right, this is a new regime.
They're trying to completely turn this thing around. What do
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you think about what the commanders did?
Speaker 6 (23:55):
I liked it. You know. One of the things that
we've been able to do over the last couple of
years is kind of take my you know, top one
fifty list and then instead of like I always kind
of chuckle at the draft grades. I think they're really
stupid personally. They don't make any sense to me, and
it's just you're just grabbing the letter grade out of
the sky. Whereas we can go through and assign number
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value to it in terms of you know, I if
I have one hundred and fifty players ranked, the number
one players worth one hundred and fifty points, the number
one hundred and fifty players worth one point, and so
it's pretty simple you add that up. And when you
do that with the way I looked at the players,
I had the Cardinals getting the most point and I
had the Commanders getting the second most point. So in
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other words, they added a lot of impact players. And
the other way you kind of look at it is
kind of like the points over expected. So if you
were picking one, your expectation is you're going to get
one hundred and fifty points of value. So based off
everywhere that you were, you were picking, and you look
at that and say, okay, what is the value of
what you got compared to where you were. The teams
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that came out at the top that way, we're we're Buffalo,
you know, adding a lot of value for where they were, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh.
So those would be the top three teams in that area.
So I'm trying, I'm trying to push this, Doug because.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
I just love it. No, I love I love better.
Speaker 6 (25:14):
Serve than doing these dumb letter grades.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Yeah, I agree, you know you you got the best
you got. You have more of the better players, right,
more got more of the better players. And I also
I commend Washington because you know you went with three
they went with three seconds and two thirds. That by
by everyone's estimation, that's where the value is in the draft,
right where if you you know, you're so much the
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hit rate is slightly lower, but the the expense is
also lower as well. And you know you get five
in those in those two rounds and if you do
it right, you got to you got a chance. Okay.
Uh so you mentioned the Steelers. Yeah, now, okay, So
now that the plan has kind of come together, right
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that all right, we got plans kind of come together.
What do you think of Russell Wilson starting at quarterback
with this group that the Steelers down Fish lay out.
Speaker 6 (26:10):
I'm pretty bullish, man. I think that they they had
a clear vision of what they would need there. I
think they went out really before they got Russell Wilson.
If you look at last year where this started. They
go out and get Broderick Jones in the first round
to tackle out of Georgia, who's really really talented. They
get Isaac Samalo from the from the Eagles, who's a
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really good guard. So they get two starters last year,
and then they come back with this year and they
got three stud offensive linemen, you know, including one of
the best left tackles and the kid from Washington and Fontanu,
one of the best centers in Fraser and another good
interior lineman. So they you know, people also got to
remember they've got Friar Mouse who's a good tight end,
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and they've got Washington, who's a two hundred and eighty
pound tight end bohemoth Georgia. So Russell Wilson is going
to be out out they're playing, They're going to run
the ball. They're going to have the tight ends which
are going to give him some easy completions. He's got
George Pickens. When you're going to see loaded boxes, he's
going to be able to throw over the top of coverage,
off play action. All these things are when Russell Wilson,
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you know, truly was his best version of himself early
on in his career. He's not what he was then,
but they don't need him to be that with the
defense they have in Pittsburgh and with what they've done
to kind of establish a line of scrimmage on offense.
I don't want to say it's you know, it's it's
quarterback proof where anybody can go out there and do this,
but I think they have set up an environment that
(27:34):
is very, very friendly for Russell.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Wilson I would say that's what we knew what the
Chargers were going to do, but they have made it
very clear what they're going to do. Right, we'll run
the ball and we're going to protect our quarterback. Is
Alt the right tackle or the left tackle?
Speaker 6 (27:52):
He's going to play on the right side, So they're
not going to move Slater. He's been an All Pro
there Alt already. You know, he kind of requested as
soon as he was picked, and you can this tells
you a little bit about, you know, kind of the
guy he is and the worker he is. He's like, Hey,
I'm excited about this. Just let me know right or
left so I can just start wrapping it and working it.
You know. So I think the plan was conveyed to him.
(28:14):
You're going to be on the right side so he
can start, you know, working through the off season. And
I know, you know, we've talked about it, a lot
of people have talked about it. Okay, you're taking a
left and putt him on the right, and then you know,
when I step back and look at it, I just
go this guy was he's only played tackle for two years.
He was a tight end coming out of high school. Yeah,
so in two years, he turned himself into the fifth
(28:35):
overall pick as a left tackle.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Lane Johnson like n Yes, yes, So.
Speaker 6 (28:41):
In other words, I don't think the transition from left
to right tackle. He's done something much harder than that
going from tight end to left tackle. So I think
he'll be fine.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Is there wide receiver? Is Lad McConkie enough to give
their wide receiver cord to give Jess de Herbert a chance?
Speaker 6 (28:54):
I think he's really good. Look, I still think when
you look at the championship version of a roster, like
you can say, okay, they're they're putting the foundation in place. Now,
I still think they need a you know, a one
you know, going into the future. But I understand what
they were doing, which is you got to get the
big pieces in first. So they're going to take care
(29:14):
of the line of scrimmage. And mccacky's a solid. I
think it's going to be really solid too. I think
Palmer's a solid too, So they've got a nice combination
of those guys. Clint Johnson hopefully takes a step forward,
but I don't see a one there, So, you know,
I think if they're going to be you know, I
think they're gonna be really competitive this year. I think
they can be a playoff team this year, but I
think to be at a championship level roster, I think
(29:36):
they're going to need a one at some point in time.
But it's a lot easier once you have the offensive
find in place, Doug. Going into the future with trades
or free agency or the draft, you know they've got
the hard stuff done. You can find wideouts every year.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Yeah, and they got some of those old They got
to give her some of those old contracts to get
maybe a big time wide receiver. Maybe they'll get somebody
in free agency or via trade who wants a new
deal or worn out as welcome elsewhere. Plenty of of
wide receivers who've wore out there welcome at some point
in their career. You've never worn out. You're welcome. We
love having you. You did a great job, and thanks
(30:09):
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every stinking year every year. James Harden stinks in the
playoffs every year, so Westbrook melts down every year. It
feels like Kawhi Leonard is hurt every year, feels like
the Clippers bow out early, done it, and a lot
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performances every stinking year, every year. So yeah, we'll get
(31:22):
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If you missed last hour, Jason said he wants to
He wants to bungee jump in New Zealand because they
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Speaker 2 (32:01):
Yeah, you can't sue them if you, you know, die
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Speaker 1 (32:05):
Well, it's really hard to sue somebody if you die.
I just well, you're a state, I understand, but for
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Your family can though.
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Is a state, isn't a strange New Zealand?
Speaker 7 (32:18):
New Zealand seems like a very like buttoned up country
with like a lot of good laws. And then they're
yet they're like, they have this, you can go there
and do risky business.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Risky business. I think everybody has something.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Every country just prioritizes. And our country is over bibelous
and over what was it called when you sue a lot?
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Hold on not litigious? Over religious?
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Religious?
Speaker 1 (32:43):
There's another word for slander. Those are this written versus litigious?
Is yes, we sue for everything.
Speaker 7 (32:50):
Litigation over relatig there's something you can also come here
and you know, have a drink and no you can't.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Did this country, No, he'd be twenty one years old
to have it here. Actually have stricter laws than other
things our country. What separates our country, like our one
good thing is this thing called the constitution, which is
supposed to protect your ability to speak freely. The problem
is that a lot of people simply believe that you
have freedom of speech. You're like, Okay, I can say
(33:19):
whatever I want to whomever I want, wherever I want,
and I have the right to freely protest wherever I want. Like, yeah,
there's some actual there's there's some fine print in there, right,
there's some fine print in there. I'm guessing there's some
fine print in the New Zealand thing, just just letting
you know, got to be some fine print in there.
But our country, like the big thing is, hey, melting pot,
(33:41):
you can kind of like find your people being from
somewhere else wherever you are. And the whole free speech
thing like yeah, you know, let's like you're free to
practice religion as long as it doesn't impinge on my right.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
There are a lot of freedoms here.
Speaker 7 (33:52):
So I mean like, now you can come here and
it's like becoming the weed capital of the world. You
can come here. There's more vices. You can get vices
in this country.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
And don't get me started on the for profit healthcare
system and don't get me started on that.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Well you got Amsterdam. Amsterdam was traditionally known as the
where you go if you want to you want to
do we drugs, prostitution, right, you have to trying to
back you tried to. They have the red zone whatever anyway,
red light district, red light district. That's it. That's it.
Uh let's get into what is uh? Am I still
training on Twitter?
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Jase? Do you were trending on Twitter yesterday?
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Am I training on Twitter?
Speaker 7 (34:27):
Now?
Speaker 2 (34:28):
No? No? No, now it's over, you know the new cycle.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
I don't know. I don't look to see if I'm
training on Twitter. I just asked.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
I thought you have or you like get emails when
you're trending on Twitter? No, you don't have notifications?
Speaker 1 (34:40):
No should I Is that something worth doing? How do
you find out what's trending on Twitter? There we go. Okay,
so right now Jayhawks a AI A great Ostboro Asoboro
and Naji Harris are our training on Twitter. But yesterday
your boy was treading. Now do we want to go
(35:04):
back to the tweet and act like people haven't like again,
some of the rules of doing this job is, don't
talk about what you want to talk about. Talk about
what more people want to talk about.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
I would say good derivative and don't assume just.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
That that's big, right, don't assume that's that's That was
the rule. I'm getting to be anti Iowa. Sam would
just be very concise. Yeah, Sam, it's not concise. I
actually am. But you know, no, you're not. No one
thinks you're not. Uh listen, listen, listen.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
I love you.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
But you continue to talk. That actually plays into what
we're talking about. Okay, the play plays into it anyway.
So here's what happened. I was sitting here actually in
this very chair. It's a pretty comfortable chair, and I
was watching a highlight that came across of of Caitlin
(35:53):
Clark and she's playing it looks like two on two,
three on three at practice, maybe five on five, and
she shoots a side step jump shot and I was
watching it in real time, and then I I freeze
framed or froze an image, which would it be frozen
image And the point of her release the ball is
(36:15):
to the left side of her head. It actually looks
very similar to Lonzo balls shot before when he was
in college and his first year or so in the
NBA with the Lakers. And you know, I happen to
have watched Caitlyn play a lot and know that she
doesn't shoot off the dribble really going to her right,
(36:36):
and that she shot about thirty seven and a half
percent from three this year, which is not a terrible percent.
It's not like Gottlieb type numbers, but it's also not elite.
It's the only part of her offensive game which you
would say isn't elite in terms of statistically. You know,
she's below fifty percent from the field. She'd be a
little higher, little bit more efficient now. She takes a
lot of deep ones. That's part of it. And so
(37:01):
when I watched it, I was like, huh, that's interesting.
And I have lots of friends in basketball. My life
outside of Fox Sports Radio is really in basketball. I
run a basketball program, I coach basketball. I have basketball
friends that my kids. That's kind of all I got right.
(37:23):
So Mike Procorpio was like the video guy and helped
analyze Kobe Bryant, somebody who Pro has worked with lots
of different NBA players and NBA teams. So I tweeted
at him and I said, the amount of work it
takes to be consistent through her mechanical flaw is really impressive.
(37:44):
If you were advising her, would you fix it in
the off season at Hoop Consultants at Food Consultants is
Mike Procorpio's Twitter handle. So Pro responded several times over
and said, you know, it's probably something she developed over
time when she was younger to try and get the
ball there, and you know it doesn't think it's a
(38:06):
major issue, but would probably basically say, would probably, you know,
work to fine tune it in the offseason. This thing
is blown up and is blown up to the level
of let's let's let's do a little check on it.
The analytics are eleven million impressions, one hundred and four
(38:28):
thousand engagements, eighty one detail expands, fifty one thousand profile visits,
and I picked up twenty nine new followers. Huh huh.
So there has been every single kind of response. My
favorite ones, Mansei are that I'm man's splaining. I'm man's splaining.
(38:52):
Help me out how is that man splaining?
Speaker 3 (38:55):
I don't know how that is man splaining, but I will,
can I be honest with you? Of course, you can't
be surprised that this is the reaction that Doug Gottlieb
got when saying something about Caitlin Clark that was not
a full positive thing.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
Right, because people can't actually have reasonable analysis of her.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
I think that's true, but I also.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Think, no, no, no, I know it's true. I have proof
right here on my phone, but they can't. Actually they can't.
Actually it's by the way, by the way, Okay, I just,
I just I want you to read this. I want
to read the sentence for you, and you tell me.
The amount of work it takes to be consistent through
her mechanical flaw is really impressive. Okay, So to be consistent,
(39:41):
which is really what it takes to be a very
good shooter and a player, Okay, amount of work. She
has great work ethic and it's impressive. Mechanical flaw. People
will go like mechanical flaw. It is a mechanical flaw.
There's there is no denying it.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
You're not.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
No one teaches you to shoot the ball starting on
the left side of your head, no one. There is
not anybody. I have been to a million shooting coaches myself,
and I've taken my son to one hundred different workouts.
There is not one human being alive that goes, hey,
here's how we're going to start your shot over on
the left side, slinging over to the right and shoot
your thumb. Nobody teaches that. You know, yes, okay, So
(40:15):
by definition, it's a mechanical flaw. And it was kind
of like backhanded compliment. She makes it in spite of this. Yeah, like,
but she had to work really really hard to do it.
I I is a backhand It's fine, You're allowed to.
Here's the issue, Okay, if you want to play in
the deep pool, you gotta swim with the sharks, okay.
(40:37):
And there's not even criticism. I didn't say shan guardybody athing.
I just said, like, hey, look at her shot. It
starts on the left side of her head.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
Right, which is not how you would teach anyone to
shoot a ball.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
And she's worked hard to overcome and become a great
player and score more points than anybody in women's college
basketball history, despite the fact she starts the ball and
left side of her head right. So he's not gonna
change anything. Now, why wouldn't she?
Speaker 3 (41:00):
Why would she?
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Because she's shooting thirty seven percent from three. Ideally you
want to shoot in the low forties from three.
Speaker 4 (41:06):
Okay, she's not far from that.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
She could probably, she could probably do that with her
own shot.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
Don't you think it would be more detrimental to her
to completely change what she's been doing that is successful
for her.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
Okay, So that's now, that's a really good question. That's
basically what I asked mycorpoo, which is you're at thirty seven?
Do you move it over? Do you start on the
right side? Do you move it over to the middle?
And I said, you wait till the off season. You
don't do it right now. Sure you don't have the
time to do it right now? Yeah, yeah, screw it
all up. It takes a lot of a lot of reps,
okay to make that thing work, and you just it's
(41:36):
it's it's the old ten thousand hours and you got
to move that to move that shot over. But the
shot is incredibly similar.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
I need I need to lons a couple of things here,
a couple of things. So when you say off season,
what you just explained, I didn't know that's what you meant,
because I think a lot of the criticism or that
a lot of the reactions you're getting is she just
broke the record. Now you want to change your shot immediately.
I think they assume the off season is this between
(42:03):
the nc double season and the WNBA.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
No, no, no, when the w NBA season ends. W NBA
season ends, And that's not clear.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
I think because of any comments.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
Again again, because you have people who don't know anything
about anything. Hey, they don't. They're like, I've had tweets
say she's the greatest shooter in NCAA basket mystery. Like, no,
she's not. No, she's not. She's not the greatest shooter.
She's not a bad shooter, but she's not a great shooter. Okay,
she's really good.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
She's a great scorer. Correct, Yes, there's a difference.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
Correct, she's a great officer, she's a great offensive player.
Speaker 6 (42:41):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
People don't understand the different scene shooter and score. They
don't understand different scene cutter. You know, there's we call
it slashers, but you can score to cut you know.
I mean, like listen, Shay Gildas Alexander's perfect example, right,
he's not a great three point shooter, doesn' shot a
high volume. He's unbelievable, like five seven feet in, I know,
anything like it. You know, Kyrie is saying what Kyrie
(43:02):
is a finisher. People don't understand that like finishing. They
think they've thought for years Russell Westbrook is a great
finisher because he goes in and he'll dunk and yell.
The analytics tell you he's actually a terribly inefficient finisher.
Like the biggest flawed of Russell Westbrook in his prime
was he was a bad finisher. You can be a
subpar three point shooter back, especially back in that era,
(43:24):
but if you don't, if you can't make a high
percentage of finishes, whereas Kyrie an unbelievable finisher. Anyway, So
just so you know, Jase Dow, it's okay the off
season and this is a lot like Lonzo ball, where
you get drafted in he said, June, you play a
little summer league and then you're in training camp in October.
(43:45):
There's not the time there to change your shot. You
got to wait till after your first season. Okay, so
after your first season in the WNBA, it's like September,
September up until April or May. If she's I don't
believe she's gonna go overseas and play. She doesn't have to.
She's gonna make enough money with Nike. Women only do
that traditionally to make a ton of money. Maybe she does.
(44:07):
But even in that, that provides you the time because
you you only play sometimes once or twice a week, depending,
but that would be the time in which you go
and you tweak your shot, fix your shot if you
want to change the verbiage to it, whatever you want.
But the way that real basketball people talk is are
(44:27):
you gonna fix that or are you gonna leave it? And
what you're saying, MANSI is really really that's the interesting
part because do you go like, you know what, it's worked,
it's not screwed up. She probably won't be perfect with it,
may not shoot you know, forty two, forty three from three,
but it works, like, don't screw with it. It screws
with their head. Some people, you move that thing over,
(44:50):
you change it, you change it. And I think somewhere
in between a dramatic change and not doing anything. I
would guess the first thing is, I actually think she
developed this in the last year year and a half
or so, because if you look, the numbers have actually
gone down this year. And I think she's done it
because the defense is completely built around stopping her, and
(45:10):
they pick her up so deep she takes deeper shots,
and it's a it's a way to generate more power
more quickly. And I think it's kind of I don't
want to say it's screwed up her shot, but it's
it's it's a bit of a flaw. And I think
it will limit her ability to shoot off the dribble
going to her right, you know, so people will funnel
her right and play for her to drive going right.
And if you look, and I've had people go like,
(45:31):
look at the percentage of her going right. That's fine.
I've watched the games and everybody plays for probably push
her right where she's going to make plays going to
the basket or shoot. And and for the record, and
I think my buddy Brian yank Kellovitch, who's a former
player at Long Beach State and assistant coach, he pointed
out most righties. I don't know if you guys know this.
In basketball, which way do right handers like to go
(45:51):
to shoot jump shots? But I guess, sam Well, I
guess it would stand to reason. You got your right
hand right right, it's actually easier to go to your
left because your shoulders. As your shoulders turn, they don't
over rotate when you're going to your right. They actually
line up perfectly. Where's you going to your right? They
have a tendency to over rotate, so the ball goes
(46:12):
to the left, and there are exceptions to that. Kobe
much better going right, Jordan going right, but like Lebron,
he never shoots jump shots going to his right. It's
always to his left. The reason Steph is a breakthrough
player is Steph is good off the catch. Steph goes right,
Steph goes left, and Steph can do what very few
people can do, which is called shooting off the switch,
(46:32):
which means most guys don't you switch hands. Usually you
take a bounce like Damian Lillard takes a bounce and
then side steps. He doesn't. He'll he'll switch hands and
shoot the ball off. He gets rid of it quick.
He shoots right he shoots left and he shoots catch
and shoot very few some guys. Can you guys remember
Sidale three? Sedale three played for the Lakers, Okay, and
Siddale three used to always he had to shoot out
(46:54):
of his left hand. Anyway, I want to play for you.
I know we gotta rave. This is Dan Patrick earlier
today on the tweet.
Speaker 8 (47:04):
Would you change Reggie Miller's shot? If I'm gonna you know,
go with Doug's logic here, Yes, Reggie had a weird
follow through. I just want to know where are you
when you release the ball? There are a lot of
people who look good shooting. Where are you when you
release the ball? And Caitlin starts on the left? Would
you change Kevin Durant shot? He starts on the left
(47:26):
and brings it over to the right. All right, So
you know Doug's trolling people and wants people to respond
to it, and you know people then get personal with Doug.
You know what Doug is saying is all right? Now,
First of all, would you fix it in the off season?
Are you trying to tell me after she's twenty two
years of age and now she's going to change her
(47:48):
Why would I want her to change her shot unless
you said she's not going to be able to get
her shot off in the pros in the WNBA. If
that were the case and she needed to release it quicker, okay,
I would at least understand where the tweet's coming from.
But by all accounts, she hits shots from a variety
of places, variety of angles, with people all over her,
(48:12):
and offenses are defenses that were geared.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
To stop you them.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
With that, It's like, I'm okay with the shot.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
You're fine, You're allowed trying to change, You're allowed to
be That would be hard pressed to do. I don't
think it would be hard pressed to do. Again. I
think you talk about Reggie Miller. Reggie Miller when he
graduated UCLA, it was the first year of the three
point shot. He shot forty four percent from three okay,
(48:39):
and he shot a high volume of them for the time,
at five threes a game.
Speaker 2 (48:43):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
Now, Reggie Miller shot was funky. His hand was also
under the ball, but he shot with two hands. He
shot the well the same way. Every time. There's the consistency,
there's working through a flaw to shoot the ball. Now
I know Reggie Miller's in the Hall of Fame. I
would challenge whether or not he should be. He the
most the highest Reggie ever finished in the All Pro
rankings was third team All Pro. Okay, And if there
(49:07):
was a flawed to Reggi Miller, was he struggled to
shoot the ball off the dribble. He did not shoot
the ball off the dribble hardly at all. It was
he was unbelievable moving out the basketball. Maybe catch one
dribble up and shoot it. And was it the way
in which he released it?
Speaker 5 (49:20):
Maybe?
Speaker 1 (49:22):
Okay, I agree with Dan, it is the way in
which the shot is shot and finished. But shooting it
on the left side does hurt you from being able
to go right. And again, let's see how the first
year goes. I believe you have a deeper three point line.
You are playing against better competition, bigger, older ladies, and
there is of course, you can work through your shot
(49:43):
when you're twenty two years old. It's the exact same
shot that Lonzo Ball used to take, same shot, and
you're like, well, Lonzo Ball couldn't shoot. He shot forty
two percent from three in college. Not as good a
free throw shooter. That's the thing that people fall back on.
She's a very good free throw shooter, but I also
don't think she he shoots it nearly that way when
she shoots some the free throw liner.
Speaker 3 (50:02):
I didn't pay close enough attention. But when she shoots
the free throw, does the ball start on the left too?
Speaker 1 (50:07):
Don't think so?
Speaker 2 (50:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (50:08):
Okay, I don't.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
Think so so, which again makes it more impressive that
she can shoot it slightly differently and still be the
best women's basketball player in college. But the if it
would take you to forty two, forty three, forty four
percent from three, would you do it? It's a great question,
(50:35):
and again your response to it at the end, which
is it could screw her up. That's the whole thing.
Do you risk screwing it up by changing it? And
I'm not talking about wholesale changes. You move it over slowly,
and you do it in the off season a tweak Yeah.
But what happens is you say fix and people freak
out and they're like, well, shout it, thought broke, So
you don't need to fix it, understood. It's more a
(50:57):
term of do you fix the mechanics of it
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But there's also has to be an unselfishness about it,
and you can't talk about necessarily what you think is important,
what you want to talk about. Right, It's a really
hard thing, and there have been there are people that
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do it a different way, but every piece of data
I've ever seen says, hey, you're going to last in
this business. And I've been in this business for over
twenty years. If you follow this one rule, don't talk
about what you want to talk about, talk about what
most people want to talk about. Well, gonna be hard
because I had a tweet that somehow has spiraled into
(02:10):
being viral and like eleven million impressions, and I the
tweet wasn't about me. People want to make it about me.
So we'll talk about that. Let's do second hour of
the show. Is that okay? Okay?
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Good?
Speaker 1 (02:22):
This is something I think everyone wants to talk about,
but we're talking about the wrong thing. When the Denver
Nuggets beat the LA Lakers for a second consecutive year,
what was the point of discussion after the series was
over the LA Lakers, Right, I mean, look, some of
it is they're the most or second most successful franchise.
(02:46):
I think that the most successful franchise in the history
of the spport. Now Boston people will tell you that's
a bunch of bull, right, That's a bunch of bull,
because you know they can get to the truth is
that the Celtics and their level of success since the
eighties has been one title. The Lakers, who were great
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in the eighties as arch rivals and in the seventies
have had the Kobe three pete, the Kobe two peat,
and then Lebron James championship. So they're the best or
second best franchise in the history of the sport. I
get it. Lebron James is somewhere between the best and
one of the two or three four best players in
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the history of the sport. So with that in mind,
I get that we're going to talk about it, but
there has to be a point in the argument or
in the discussion where we sit there and go like
all that is interesting, But the real point that matters
is that Jokich is unbelievable, right, and that Aaron Gordon
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has went from being a star as the best player
in Orlando to the third option and has totally dived
into that role and has flourished because of it. Jamal Murray,
who's never been an All Star, is a closer for them.
In fact, he single handedly closed out two games for
the Nuggets. It's really a fascinating team. But we spent
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a lot of energy and time talking about the Lakers.
Even today we're gonna get to we have NBA gyess.
We talked about the w Lakers. The Lakers aren't playing,
They're not going to play for another five months. Don't matter. Well,
last night the Clippers got embarrassed by the Denver by
the Dallas Mavericks. This after an awesome performance in Game
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four to even the series at two a piece. And
I was thinking about going to the game and I'm like,
ah ah, So I grabbed my son. He went and
played pickup ball at twenty four hour fitness which I
will point out that my son told me I was
no longer a hooper last night because the guys like
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you want to play and I was gonna work him out,
and I had some like walking around Jordan's on you
don't play and walking around Jordan's I didn't have any
hoop shoes in my car, Like, man, that's embarrassing. All
hoopers should have a ball shorts hoop shoes in your car.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
I have a question. Yes, I was just thinking that
the other day. So are the are the walk around
Jordan's not made to play ball in your feet?
Speaker 1 (05:27):
You can still playing them? Absolutely, Oh okay, but you
just don't. These are air Jordan threes with a little
white and red.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
They are.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
They are dope shoes.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
They are. You need to have two if you're gonna
play in one.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
No, you don't. Just don't play in jordan But.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
I mean, I don't play in Jordan's. So I'm with Doug.
But if you're gonna then you have two pairs, and
ones that you wear to play and ones that you
wear to look good in.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Yes, and I looked good. Yeah, threes are good and
and a lot of and a lot of guys at
the gym were like I was like, I am playing
these They're like, yeah, I get it, but then are like,
don't you have some shoes in your car? I'm like,
actually I don't.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
And that's where he missed.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
That's a problem problem. Anyway, the discussion today is going
to be, at least in small part about Russell Westbrook,
who who's had a disaster of a series, About Kawhi
Leonard who still can't get healthy, about playoff p Paul George,
who has carried this team at the pass couldn't last night.
Or maybe it's about James Harden, who everyone likes to
point out he's just not as good a playoff player
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as he has been a regular season player when he's
been a league MVP. And I could actually defend James Harden, like, look, dude,
he's thirty four years old and he's kind of an
old thirty four like. Harden famously hasn't been one to
super take care of his body, you know, big Strip
Club guy when he was in Houston. Everybody knows that.
Matter of fact, one of the reasons the Thunder moved
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off him when they went to the NBA Finals and
then they traded him was in addition to wanting a
huge contract, which he ended up deserving when he was
in Oklahoma City during the NBA Finals, which I think
they were swept or it was a gentleman's sweep. I
forget when they played the Miami Okay, Harden played poorly
and they were upset because he kept going out in Miami.
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Dude likes to go out. What does that do? Shortens
your career? Everybody knows that. But instead of talking about that,
why don't we talk about the fact that Luka Doncik's
probably the best or second best player in the league. Oh,
that's not sex like. Look, I get it. It's the
last it's likely the last Clipper game they'll play at
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what's called Crypto used to be Staples. They open their
own place. They have questions in this upcoming offseason. They
already resigned Kawhi. Most people think they'll resign Paul George.
But but maybe they make a move. I don't know,
you know, I don't know what you do with Harden.
I don't know what you do with Westbrook. I do
know that it doesn't feel like that's a championship roster.
But the big partion is I've seen them be the
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best team in the NBA. When when Kawhi was healthy,
but will Kawhi ever be healthy again? These are all
Rea discussions, but the top line should be holy cow,
is Luca good?
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Right?
Speaker 1 (08:11):
I mean well, I actually thought this in watching the
game last night. Can you imagine if Luca was from Iowa? No,
I'm serious, If Luca was from Iowa, right, he looks
like if you didn't know if his last name wasn't Dungeic,
if it was Luca Powell, Luca Green. He looked exactly
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the same, played exactly the same, only he was from
Des Moines, Iowa. Would we then be talking about the
fact that he had thirty five points, ten assists, seven rebounds,
one steal, two turnovers fourteen of twenty six, didn't shoot
the three terribly well, doesn't blow by anybody, but goes
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by people. He's like Paul Pierce, Who're like, is he
had to? Does he do it? And yet he was
far away the best player on the basketball floor last night,
complete control. He's so good that Kyrie Irving who And
by the way, Kyrie who, I kind of like how
he's playing with this team and Kyri didn't shoot the
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ball well last night. But Kyrie Irving will take a
subsidiary role to him and just let Luca do his
thing most of the game. That sacrifice of Bigo one
shows growth from Kyrie, but also shows he knows how
good that dude is. But that's not part of the
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discussion today, right, It's James Harden was two of twelve
and a minus twenty five, that Paul George was four
of thirteen. Russell Westbrook was two of eleven. Yikes, and
they got beat by They got thirty pieced at home,
thirty pieced at home. So maybe it's just me dealing
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with the reality of that's how we viewed sports now
and we always side with the negative, and maybe that's
how we've always dealt with media with any story, with
news stories as well, we always if it bleeds, it leads,
I get it. But holy cow, is Luka Donca good?
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Right?
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Like, all the same pressure is on Luca and it
would be fair to say that let me just read
you something real quick, okay, which is a better roster?
I know Kawhi didn't play last night, and I understand
that James Harden is thirty thirty four, so he's a
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little bit older. But James Harden, Paul George Russell Westbrook right,
along with trey Mann and Zubach. Zubach actually play well
and Trey Man or Luca and Kyrie, Okay Gafford, Derek Jones, PJ. Washington,
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Maxi Kleeber, Derek g Lively and Derek Glively. By the way,
they should add to Team USA. What a rim roller protector.
He's awesome. The point is that if you want to
say the Clippers didn't have Kawhi, that's fair. Even without Kawhi,
you could make an argument that on paper, their roster
is the same as the Clippers. The pressure is the
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same on Luka Doncik because Luca's team had a commanding
two games to one lead at home, had home court advantage,
and Kawhi leonards out indefinitely and they didn't take care
of business this past Sunday, and Luca, with all that
pressure on the road, just went in and completely annihilated
the Clippers. I understand, our job is to talk about
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what most people talk about, and most people want to
talk about the Clippers and the clip or curse and
what are they doing with Kawhi? Ever, be the same
and playoff Paul George and why is James Harden stuck
in the playoffs, and Russell Westbrooks washed and all those
other things. But holy cow, is Luka Donca good? And
if he was from Des Moines, Iowa, there wouldn't be
any of this negative discussion about him.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Let's focus on that. Let's focus on that because I
was a couple of weeks ago we had this discussion.
Is America willing to embrace a foreign player as the
face of the league? And I would say that, let's
make it even more specific, Are they willing to embrace
a white former player, I mean a foreign player? And
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my answer is no. And I think it's not only
because they're foreign born and we luck our homegrown products.
But I also think that within the league, like there
are a lot of Gilbert Arenas thinkers. In other words,
Gilbert Arenas is dumb enough to say it out loud,
but I think a lot of players have this like
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resentment towards the fact that the MVPs are foreign born
and that Luca is one of the best players and
he's a white foreign born player. I think there's a
I think there's a big aspect to that.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
I don't think I disagree with you on Luca. I
disagree with you on. I don't think I think Luca.
Everybody thinks Luca's legit. If you pulled NBA players and
you're like, who's the best, Dude's like, how many dudes
better than Luca? And I think the same thing would
occur with with.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Joker.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
With Joks right, by the way, now we've kind of turned.
People have turned on Embiid, right. We had Colin trade
Embiid and people talk about Embiid right, like, dude, Joe Embiid.
I understand that he's naturalized, he's American citizen, but born
in Cameroon, and people act like he stinks and he's amazing.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
It's just amazing.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
So uh, but I think that this story is not
about the players and their level of respect. Do look,
do do do all black players respect Joker or Luca?
Because without their the dynamic defense probably not. Jokers a
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lot better defensively than you think he is because he
puts his body in the way he knows how to
without protecting the rim. He protects the rim. And Luca's again,
same thing, uses his body. He's got size, it's not
He's not great defensively, but he's not terrible. But I
don't think any of this comes from players in the NBA,
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former players, some maybe an off hand player or two
or whatever. But I don't think I think this is
a fan thing. I think fans have it ingrained in
their head that the black player is the best player
and the white player is not. And Luca plays in
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a way and it really is similar. It's Larry Bird
meets Paul Pierce meets I think it's the combination of
those two and then you make him into like a
point guard. It meets kind of like James Harden in
terms of how much he can dominate the basketball. But
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it's an amazing thing to watch his footwork. It's an
amazing thing to watch him get off that step back.
Everybody knows it's coming, and he still gets it off.
He didn't shoot it well last night, and he's still again.
Can you play while we're not shooting well? Yes, I
just marvel at him. He's way bigger than you think,
he's way more athletic than you think. He's way tougher
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than you think, and he is not bothered by the
moment at all. And we can talk about all the
pressure on the Clippers. There were just much clip pressure
on Luca last night. By the way, here's Luca post
game and talking about the defense they played on James Harden.
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So game four, James Harden got thirty three. Today, you
guys locking down to seven points.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
What's something different or something special? I guess are game
for the game five.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
I think the Jones and PJ you know, they played
great defense. Career was playing great defense, you know, pressuring
him the whole time. Like I said, were just locked in,
were communicating. We know there's scoutings, so we just followed scouting.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Why do you think you guys were able to be
so good defensively night?
Speaker 4 (16:35):
I think we did a great job in a lot
of games. There was I think two halfs that we
didn't play good defensively. But everybody's on the same page
on defense. We're talking, we know what other players like
to do, and we just watch a lot of films,
we watch scouting and we just focused on I think
the communication we have on defense is the key and
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the energy.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
It's amazing. I get it. The Clippers let us down again,
and they have a big time coach. I think Tyler
ron Lows as good as coach as there is they
have on paper. When healthy, a great roster. But if
the story last night it is the Clippers, you were
watching a different game than me. Yes, Moncey Blair, I
agree with you.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
He is so good Luka Doncic, but I cannot stand
how much he whinds. I cannot, Like, you are so good,
you don't need to do that. There was one play,
was it Game four against the Clippers, and Westbrook had
that like foul on him and he whipped around really
harsh to sell it. I was like, you're gonna break
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your own arm on your own for being silly, for
trying to sell it.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
That's the one thing I wish he wasn't doing. It's
very euro and that's and you're probably right, but he's
so good. He's he's like, I can't even I get it.
To complain. I understand the complaining, and and your Lebron complains, Yeah,
as much.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
This is it. Yeah, Lebron is just as bad, if
not worse. Yeah, I just wish he wasn't like that.
But you're right European.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Yeah, yeah, but he's and he's like constantly feels like
he's constantly having a conversation with the other team, with
the fans whatever, like Yeah, that dude's awesome. He's so good,
He's so good, and yeah, it's a it's a it's
an entire experience watching him with the officials, with his teammates.
But if you're if you walk away from that game
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and you want to talk about Westbrook and Harden, like
it does, it feels like the Laker thing all over again.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
This is the best of the Don gott Leap Show
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Doug got Leap Show, Fox Sports Radio. He was awesome
over the weekend because well that's his personal Christmas. Daniel
Jeremiah lead analyst for the NFL Network's coverage of the
NFL Draft, and he's also coached to the Move the
Six podcast, and he joined us in the Doug Gottlib
Show on Fox Sports Radio. Weird Draft this year, weird
and can I I'm just going to tell you how
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it felt from our perspective. Obviously, first rounds was so
much about quarterbacks, and then it did feel like second
and third day there was a lot a lot more
lesser known commodities. And I'm trying to figure out if
it's because of the transfer portal, because there wasn't quarterbacks
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or big name players like that, or the fact in
college football we only kind of pay attention to a
handful of teams now because of the playoff. How did
it feel to you in comparison to other drafts.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
Yeah, I mean I knew all the guys, I had
watched all of them, but I had said kind of
through the process. This was a weird year because it
was the kind of the in between year where you
have nil more so even than the transfer portal, but
just nil being able to keep some kids in school.
You have the sixth year, the COVID year that a
bunch of people had, so that just kind of almost
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eliminated a big chunk of a class. So I think
next year it'll get it'll kind of get back on track,
and I think you'll be more familiar with more of
the players once we get into the second third round.
But you know, this year, it was it was lean,
and that's why, you know, I thought it was smart
for teams that were doing two things in this draft.
You're trading up to get picks, you know, as many
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picks kind of as you can in that top fifty
sixty range. And then teams once you saw we got
to Day three, you know, I know that. I know
Philadelphia did this. I believe the Jets a couple other
teams as well. That started just you know, sending out
picks and getting picks for next year. You know, trade
a five this year for four next year. I thought
that was pretty astute observation of kind of where we
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were with this particular draft.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Okay, so let's get to the actual first round draft.
What what pick? Let you scratching your head the most
in the first round?
Speaker 6 (20:50):
Well, I mean it's not. I mean, I don't think
I'm going on a limb here and saying that. The
Michael Pennix to the Falcons was one that you know,
didn't have a my bingo card. I knew they liked him,
I knew they'd done a lot of work on him.
I thought there was, you know, a chance they trade
back and he could potentially be in the mix, or
they take somebody at eight and then maybe they come
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back up and take him at the bottom of two,
or if he's there in the second round, they would
take him. But I didn't have it in my calculus
that they would just sit and pick and take him
with the eighth pick. So that was one that you know,
that was was pretty surprising to me, you know, outside
of that, I don't know that there, you know, some
of the other smaller stuff just in terms of the
run on offense went as long as it did before
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we saw a defensive player. I think it was the
first what fourteen picks were all offense, So that was
a little bit of a surprise. Is definitely an offensive
heavy draft. I knew that and top heavy on the
offensive side of the ball, but I didn't imagine the
first defensive player would be uh, you know, would be
fifteen there with Leatu Latu to the Colts.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
No, I didn't think so. I didn't think so either.
So if the Falcons left a sky catching our heads
the most, what was the one that you set that? Like,
what do you think of bow Nicks with the with
the Broncos Like that one's interesting to me. I know
his numbers were great this year with Orgon. Yeah, but
we also we've seen him for a long time. He
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was older, and he struggled at times on the road
and definitely struggled back when he was in the SEC.
When you look at what and who he's replacing, who
he's going to work with, you know that that division
better than anybody on the face of the earth. What
do you think of bow Nicks being taken in a
place where he's going to be the starter in Denver?
Speaker 6 (22:33):
Yeah, I thought that was the spot for him. You know,
it's kind of one of those things where I think
if you're a if you're a scout who had a
good grade on bow Nicks, you were elated to see
him get draft by Denver because that that is by
far the best fit for him. It'll be the best
opportunity for him fitting in with what Sean Payton does
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in terms of protect the football. You know, quick decisions,
get the ball out of your hand, and then you
know strategic shots. You know they're not gonna it's not
going to be gratuitous with with vertical passing, but they'll
take their shots when they're when they're there. And you've
got somebody who chom Payton, who it was not a secret,
really really liked them. So you know, if he gets
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picked by another team, I think there'd be you'd be
sitting here going like, I don't know how that's going
to work, and the you know, a little bit limited
on the up side, but this would the one fit
for him. So you know, if I was in the
bow next camp, I'd be very happy about the way
that all worked out.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Stut Gotland Show here on Fox Sports Radio. We we
talked a lot about the Washington Commanders and what they
were going to do at quarterback, and they did what
you thought they would do most people thought they would do.
What about the overall draft? Right, this is a new regime.
They're trying to completely turn this thing around. What do
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you think about what the commanders did?
Speaker 6 (23:55):
I liked it. You know. One of the things that
we've been able to do over the last couple of
years is kind of take my you know, top one
fifty list and then instead of like I always kind
of chuckle at the draft grades. I think they're really
stupid personally. They don't make any sense to me, and
it's just you're just grabbing the letter grade out of
the sky. Whereas we can go through and assign number
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value to it in terms of you know, I if
I have one hundred and fifty players ranked, the number
one players worth one hundred and fifty points, the number
one hundred and fifty players worth one point, and so
it's pretty simple you add that up. And when you
do that with the way I looked at the players,
I had the Cardinals getting the most point and I
had the Commanders getting the second most point. So in
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other words, they added a lot of impact players. And
the other way you kind of look at it is
kind of like the points over expected. So if you
were picking one, your expectation is you're going to get
one hundred and fifty points of value. So based off
everywhere that you were, you were picking, and you look
at that and say, okay, what is the value of
what you got compared to where you were. The teams
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that came out at the top that way, we're we're Buffalo,
you know, adding a lot of value for where they were, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh.
So those would be the top three teams in that area.
So I'm trying, I'm trying to push this, Doug because.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
I just love it. No, I love I love better.
Speaker 6 (25:14):
Serve than doing these dumb letter grades.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Yeah, I agree, you know you you got the best
you got. You have more of the better players, right,
more got more of the better players. And I also
I commend Washington because you know you went with three
they went with three seconds and two thirds. That by
by everyone's estimation, that's where the value is in the draft,
right where if you you know, you're so much the
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hit rate is slightly lower, but the the expense is
also lower as well. And you know you get five
in those in those two rounds and if you do
it right, you got to you got a chance. Okay.
Uh so you mentioned the Steelers. Yeah, now, okay, So
now that the plan has kind of come together, right
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that all right, we got plans kind of come together.
What do you think of Russell Wilson starting at quarterback
with this group that the Steelers down Fish lay out.
Speaker 6 (26:10):
I'm pretty bullish, man. I think that they they had
a clear vision of what they would need there. I
think they went out really before they got Russell Wilson.
If you look at last year where this started. They
go out and get Broderick Jones in the first round
to tackle out of Georgia, who's really really talented. They
get Isaac Samalo from the from the Eagles, who's a
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really good guard. So they get two starters last year,
and then they come back with this year and they
got three stud offensive linemen, you know, including one of
the best left tackles and the kid from Washington and Fontanu,
one of the best centers in Fraser and another good
interior lineman. So they you know, people also got to
remember they've got Friar Mouse who's a good tight end,
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and they've got Washington, who's a two hundred and eighty
pound tight end bohemoth Georgia. So Russell Wilson is going
to be out out they're playing, They're going to run
the ball. They're going to have the tight ends which
are going to give him some easy completions. He's got
George Pickens. When you're going to see loaded boxes, he's
going to be able to throw over the top of coverage,
off play action. All these things are when Russell Wilson,
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you know, truly was his best version of himself early
on in his career. He's not what he was then,
but they don't need him to be that with the
defense they have in Pittsburgh and with what they've done
to kind of establish a line of scrimmage on offense.
I don't want to say it's you know, it's it's
quarterback proof where anybody can go out there and do this,
but I think they have set up an environment that
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is very, very friendly for Russell.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Wilson I would say that's what we knew what the
Chargers were going to do, but they have made it
very clear what they're going to do. Right, we'll run
the ball and we're going to protect our quarterback. Is
Alt the right tackle or the left tackle?
Speaker 6 (27:52):
He's going to play on the right side, So they're
not going to move Slater. He's been an All Pro
there Alt already. You know, he kind of requested as
soon as he was picked, and you can this tells
you a little bit about, you know, kind of the
guy he is and the worker he is. He's like, Hey,
I'm excited about this. Just let me know right or
left so I can just start wrapping it and working it.
You know. So I think the plan was conveyed to him.
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You're going to be on the right side so he
can start, you know, working through the off season. And
I know, you know, we've talked about it, a lot
of people have talked about it. Okay, you're taking a
left and putt him on the right, and then you know,
when I step back and look at it, I just
go this guy was he's only played tackle for two years.
He was a tight end coming out of high school. Yeah,
so in two years, he turned himself into the fifth
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overall pick as a left tackle.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Lane Johnson like n Yes, yes, So.
Speaker 6 (28:41):
In other words, I don't think the transition from left
to right tackle. He's done something much harder than that
going from tight end to left tackle. So I think
he'll be fine.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Is there wide receiver? Is Lad McConkie enough to give
their wide receiver cord to give Jess de Herbert a chance?
Speaker 6 (28:54):
I think he's really good. Look, I still think when
you look at the championship version of a roster, like
you can say, okay, they're they're putting the foundation in place. Now,
I still think they need a you know, a one
you know, going into the future. But I understand what
they were doing, which is you got to get the
big pieces in first. So they're going to take care
(29:14):
of the line of scrimmage. And mccacky's a solid. I
think it's going to be really solid too. I think
Palmer's a solid too, So they've got a nice combination
of those guys. Clint Johnson hopefully takes a step forward,
but I don't see a one there, So, you know,
I think if they're going to be you know, I
think they're gonna be really competitive this year. I think
they can be a playoff team this year, but I
think to be at a championship level roster, I think
(29:36):
they're going to need a one at some point in time.
But it's a lot easier once you have the offensive
find in place, Doug. Going into the future with trades
or free agency or the draft, you know they've got
the hard stuff done. You can find wideouts every year.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Yeah, and they got some of those old They got
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in free agency or via trade who wants a new
deal or worn out as welcome elsewhere. Plenty of of
wide receivers who've wore out there welcome at some point
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If you missed last hour, Jason said he wants to
He wants to bungee jump in New Zealand because they
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Yeah, you can't sue them if you, you know, die
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Speaker 1 (32:05):
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I just well, you're a state, I understand, but for
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Your family can though.
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Is a state, isn't a strange New Zealand?
Speaker 7 (32:18):
New Zealand seems like a very like buttoned up country
with like a lot of good laws. And then they're
yet they're like, they have this, you can go there
and do risky business.
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Risky business. I think everybody has something.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Every country just prioritizes. And our country is over bibelous
and over what was it called when you sue a lot?
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Hold on not litigious? Over religious?
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Religious?
Speaker 1 (32:43):
There's another word for slander. Those are this written versus litigious?
Is yes, we sue for everything.
Speaker 7 (32:50):
Litigation over relatig there's something you can also come here
and you know, have a drink and no you can't.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Did this country, No, he'd be twenty one years old
to have it here. Actually have stricter laws than other
things our country. What separates our country, like our one
good thing is this thing called the constitution, which is
supposed to protect your ability to speak freely. The problem
is that a lot of people simply believe that you
have freedom of speech. You're like, Okay, I can say
(33:19):
whatever I want to whomever I want, wherever I want,
and I have the right to freely protest wherever I want. Like, yeah,
there's some actual there's there's some fine print in there, right,
there's some fine print in there. I'm guessing there's some
fine print in the New Zealand thing, just just letting
you know, got to be some fine print in there.
But our country, like the big thing is, hey, melting pot,
(33:41):
you can kind of like find your people being from
somewhere else wherever you are. And the whole free speech
thing like yeah, you know, let's like you're free to
practice religion as long as it doesn't impinge on my right.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
There are a lot of freedoms here.
Speaker 7 (33:52):
So I mean like, now you can come here and
it's like becoming the weed capital of the world. You
can come here. There's more vices. You can get vices
in this country.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
And don't get me started on the for profit healthcare
system and don't get me started on that.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Well you got Amsterdam. Amsterdam was traditionally known as the
where you go if you want to you want to
do we drugs, prostitution, right, you have to trying to
back you tried to. They have the red zone whatever anyway,
red light district, red light district. That's it. That's it.
Uh let's get into what is uh? Am I still
training on Twitter?
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Jase? Do you were trending on Twitter yesterday?
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Am I training on Twitter?
Speaker 7 (34:27):
Now?
Speaker 2 (34:28):
No? No? No, now it's over, you know the new cycle.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
I don't know. I don't look to see if I'm
training on Twitter. I just asked.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
I thought you have or you like get emails when
you're trending on Twitter? No, you don't have notifications?
Speaker 1 (34:40):
No should I Is that something worth doing? How do
you find out what's trending on Twitter? There we go. Okay,
so right now Jayhawks a AI A great Ostboro Asoboro
and Naji Harris are our training on Twitter. But yesterday
your boy was treading. Now do we want to go
(35:04):
back to the tweet and act like people haven't like again,
some of the rules of doing this job is, don't
talk about what you want to talk about. Talk about
what more people want to talk about.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
I would say good derivative and don't assume just.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
That that's big, right, don't assume that's that's That was
the rule. I'm getting to be anti Iowa. Sam would
just be very concise. Yeah, Sam, it's not concise. I
actually am. But you know, no, you're not. No one
thinks you're not. Uh listen, listen, listen.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
I love you.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
But you continue to talk. That actually plays into what
we're talking about. Okay, the play plays into it anyway.
So here's what happened. I was sitting here actually in
this very chair. It's a pretty comfortable chair, and I
was watching a highlight that came across of of Caitlin
(35:53):
Clark and she's playing it looks like two on two,
three on three at practice, maybe five on five, and
she shoots a side step jump shot and I was
watching it in real time, and then I I freeze
framed or froze an image, which would it be frozen
image And the point of her release the ball is
(36:15):
to the left side of her head. It actually looks
very similar to Lonzo balls shot before when he was
in college and his first year or so in the
NBA with the Lakers. And you know, I happen to
have watched Caitlyn play a lot and know that she
doesn't shoot off the dribble really going to her right,
(36:36):
and that she shot about thirty seven and a half
percent from three this year, which is not a terrible percent.
It's not like Gottlieb type numbers, but it's also not elite.
It's the only part of her offensive game which you
would say isn't elite in terms of statistically. You know,
she's below fifty percent from the field. She'd be a
little higher, little bit more efficient now. She takes a
lot of deep ones. That's part of it. And so
(37:01):
when I watched it, I was like, huh, that's interesting.
And I have lots of friends in basketball. My life
outside of Fox Sports Radio is really in basketball. I
run a basketball program, I coach basketball. I have basketball
friends that my kids. That's kind of all I got right.
(37:23):
So Mike Procorpio was like the video guy and helped
analyze Kobe Bryant, somebody who Pro has worked with lots
of different NBA players and NBA teams. So I tweeted
at him and I said, the amount of work it
takes to be consistent through her mechanical flaw is really impressive.
(37:44):
If you were advising her, would you fix it in
the off season at Hoop Consultants at Food Consultants is
Mike Procorpio's Twitter handle. So Pro responded several times over
and said, you know, it's probably something she developed over
time when she was younger to try and get the
ball there, and you know it doesn't think it's a
(38:06):
major issue, but would probably basically say, would probably, you know,
work to fine tune it in the offseason. This thing
is blown up and is blown up to the level
of let's let's let's do a little check on it.
The analytics are eleven million impressions, one hundred and four
(38:28):
thousand engagements, eighty one detail expands, fifty one thousand profile visits,
and I picked up twenty nine new followers. Huh huh.
So there has been every single kind of response. My
favorite ones, Mansei are that I'm man's splaining. I'm man's splaining.
(38:52):
Help me out how is that man splaining?
Speaker 3 (38:55):
I don't know how that is man splaining, but I will,
can I be honest with you? Of course, you can't
be surprised that this is the reaction that Doug Gottlieb
got when saying something about Caitlin Clark that was not
a full positive thing.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
Right, because people can't actually have reasonable analysis of her.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
I think that's true, but I also.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Think, no, no, no, I know it's true. I have proof
right here on my phone, but they can't. Actually they can't.
Actually it's by the way, by the way, Okay, I just,
I just I want you to read this. I want
to read the sentence for you, and you tell me.
The amount of work it takes to be consistent through
her mechanical flaw is really impressive. Okay, So to be consistent,
(39:41):
which is really what it takes to be a very
good shooter and a player, Okay, amount of work. She
has great work ethic and it's impressive. Mechanical flaw. People
will go like mechanical flaw. It is a mechanical flaw.
There's there is no denying it.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
You're not.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
No one teaches you to shoot the ball starting on
the left side of your head, no one. There is
not anybody. I have been to a million shooting coaches myself,
and I've taken my son to one hundred different workouts.
There is not one human being alive that goes, hey,
here's how we're going to start your shot over on
the left side, slinging over to the right and shoot
your thumb. Nobody teaches that. You know, yes, okay, So
(40:15):
by definition, it's a mechanical flaw. And it was kind
of like backhanded compliment. She makes it in spite of this. Yeah, like,
but she had to work really really hard to do it.
I I is a backhand It's fine, You're allowed to.
Here's the issue, Okay, if you want to play in
the deep pool, you gotta swim with the sharks, okay.
(40:37):
And there's not even criticism. I didn't say shan guardybody athing.
I just said, like, hey, look at her shot. It
starts on the left side of her head.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
Right, which is not how you would teach anyone to
shoot a ball.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
And she's worked hard to overcome and become a great
player and score more points than anybody in women's college
basketball history, despite the fact she starts the ball and
left side of her head right. So he's not gonna
change anything. Now, why wouldn't she?
Speaker 3 (41:00):
Why would she?
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Because she's shooting thirty seven percent from three. Ideally you
want to shoot in the low forties from three.
Speaker 4 (41:06):
Okay, she's not far from that.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
She could probably, she could probably do that with her
own shot.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
Don't you think it would be more detrimental to her
to completely change what she's been doing that is successful
for her.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
Okay, So that's now, that's a really good question. That's
basically what I asked mycorpoo, which is you're at thirty seven?
Do you move it over? Do you start on the
right side? Do you move it over to the middle?
And I said, you wait till the off season. You
don't do it right now. Sure you don't have the
time to do it right now? Yeah, yeah, screw it
all up. It takes a lot of a lot of reps,
okay to make that thing work, and you just it's
(41:36):
it's it's the old ten thousand hours and you got
to move that to move that shot over. But the
shot is incredibly similar.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
I need I need to lons a couple of things here,
a couple of things. So when you say off season,
what you just explained, I didn't know that's what you meant,
because I think a lot of the criticism or that
a lot of the reactions you're getting is she just
broke the record. Now you want to change your shot immediately.
I think they assume the off season is this between
(42:03):
the nc double season and the WNBA.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
No, no, no, when the w NBA season ends. W NBA
season ends, And that's not clear.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
I think because of any comments.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
Again again, because you have people who don't know anything
about anything. Hey, they don't. They're like, I've had tweets
say she's the greatest shooter in NCAA basket mystery. Like, no,
she's not. No, she's not. She's not the greatest shooter.
She's not a bad shooter, but she's not a great shooter. Okay,
she's really good.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
She's a great scorer. Correct, Yes, there's a difference.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
Correct, she's a great officer, she's a great offensive player.
Speaker 6 (42:41):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
People don't understand the different scene shooter and score. They
don't understand different scene cutter. You know, there's we call
it slashers, but you can score to cut you know.
I mean, like listen, Shay Gildas Alexander's perfect example, right,
he's not a great three point shooter, doesn' shot a
high volume. He's unbelievable, like five seven feet in, I know,
anything like it. You know, Kyrie is saying what Kyrie
(43:02):
is a finisher. People don't understand that like finishing. They
think they've thought for years Russell Westbrook is a great
finisher because he goes in and he'll dunk and yell.
The analytics tell you he's actually a terribly inefficient finisher.
Like the biggest flawed of Russell Westbrook in his prime
was he was a bad finisher. You can be a
subpar three point shooter back, especially back in that era,
(43:24):
but if you don't, if you can't make a high
percentage of finishes, whereas Kyrie an unbelievable finisher. Anyway, So
just so you know, Jase Dow, it's okay the off
season and this is a lot like Lonzo ball, where
you get drafted in he said, June, you play a
little summer league and then you're in training camp in October.
(43:45):
There's not the time there to change your shot. You
got to wait till after your first season. Okay, so
after your first season in the WNBA, it's like September,
September up until April or May. If she's I don't
believe she's gonna go overseas and play. She doesn't have to.
She's gonna make enough money with Nike. Women only do
that traditionally to make a ton of money. Maybe she does.
(44:07):
But even in that, that provides you the time because
you you only play sometimes once or twice a week, depending,
but that would be the time in which you go
and you tweak your shot, fix your shot if you
want to change the verbiage to it, whatever you want.
But the way that real basketball people talk is are
(44:27):
you gonna fix that or are you gonna leave it? And
what you're saying, MANSI is really really that's the interesting
part because do you go like, you know what, it's worked,
it's not screwed up. She probably won't be perfect with it,
may not shoot you know, forty two, forty three from three,
but it works, like, don't screw with it. It screws
with their head. Some people, you move that thing over,
(44:50):
you change it, you change it. And I think somewhere
in between a dramatic change and not doing anything. I
would guess the first thing is, I actually think she
developed this in the last year year and a half
or so, because if you look, the numbers have actually
gone down this year. And I think she's done it
because the defense is completely built around stopping her, and
(45:10):
they pick her up so deep she takes deeper shots,
and it's a it's a way to generate more power
more quickly. And I think it's kind of I don't
want to say it's screwed up her shot, but it's
it's it's a bit of a flaw. And I think
it will limit her ability to shoot off the dribble
going to her right, you know, so people will funnel
her right and play for her to drive going right.
And if you look, and I've had people go like,
(45:31):
look at the percentage of her going right. That's fine.
I've watched the games and everybody plays for probably push
her right where she's going to make plays going to
the basket or shoot. And and for the record, and
I think my buddy Brian yank Kellovitch, who's a former
player at Long Beach State and assistant coach, he pointed
out most righties. I don't know if you guys know this.
In basketball, which way do right handers like to go
(45:51):
to shoot jump shots? But I guess, sam Well, I
guess it would stand to reason. You got your right
hand right right, it's actually easier to go to your
left because your shoulders. As your shoulders turn, they don't
over rotate when you're going to your right. They actually
line up perfectly. Where's you going to your right? They
have a tendency to over rotate, so the ball goes
(46:12):
to the left, and there are exceptions to that. Kobe
much better going right, Jordan going right, but like Lebron,
he never shoots jump shots going to his right. It's
always to his left. The reason Steph is a breakthrough
player is Steph is good off the catch. Steph goes right,
Steph goes left, and Steph can do what very few
people can do, which is called shooting off the switch,
(46:32):
which means most guys don't you switch hands. Usually you
take a bounce like Damian Lillard takes a bounce and
then side steps. He doesn't. He'll he'll switch hands and
shoot the ball off. He gets rid of it quick.
He shoots right he shoots left and he shoots catch
and shoot very few some guys. Can you guys remember
Sidale three? Sedale three played for the Lakers, Okay, and
Siddale three used to always he had to shoot out
(46:54):
of his left hand. Anyway, I want to play for you.
I know we gotta rave. This is Dan Patrick earlier
today on the tweet.
Speaker 8 (47:04):
Would you change Reggie Miller's shot? If I'm gonna you know,
go with Doug's logic here, Yes, Reggie had a weird
follow through. I just want to know where are you
when you release the ball? There are a lot of
people who look good shooting. Where are you when you
release the ball? And Caitlin starts on the left? Would
you change Kevin Durant shot? He starts on the left
(47:26):
and brings it over to the right. All right, So
you know Doug's trolling people and wants people to respond
to it, and you know people then get personal with Doug.
You know what Doug is saying is all right? Now,
First of all, would you fix it in the off season?
Are you trying to tell me after she's twenty two
years of age and now she's going to change her
(47:48):
Why would I want her to change her shot unless
you said she's not going to be able to get
her shot off in the pros in the WNBA. If
that were the case and she needed to release it quicker, okay,
I would at least understand where the tweet's coming from.
But by all accounts, she hits shots from a variety
of places, variety of angles, with people all over her,
(48:12):
and offenses are defenses that were geared.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
To stop you them.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
With that, It's like, I'm okay with the shot.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
You're fine, You're allowed trying to change, You're allowed to
be That would be hard pressed to do. I don't
think it would be hard pressed to do. Again. I
think you talk about Reggie Miller. Reggie Miller when he
graduated UCLA, it was the first year of the three
point shot. He shot forty four percent from three okay,
(48:39):
and he shot a high volume of them for the time,
at five threes a game.
Speaker 2 (48:43):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
Now, Reggie Miller shot was funky. His hand was also
under the ball, but he shot with two hands. He
shot the well the same way. Every time. There's the consistency,
there's working through a flaw to shoot the ball. Now
I know Reggie Miller's in the Hall of Fame. I
would challenge whether or not he should be. He the
most the highest Reggie ever finished in the All Pro
rankings was third team All Pro. Okay, And if there
(49:07):
was a flawed to Reggi Miller, was he struggled to
shoot the ball off the dribble. He did not shoot
the ball off the dribble hardly at all. It was
he was unbelievable moving out the basketball. Maybe catch one
dribble up and shoot it. And was it the way
in which he released it?
Speaker 5 (49:20):
Maybe?
Speaker 1 (49:22):
Okay, I agree with Dan, it is the way in
which the shot is shot and finished. But shooting it
on the left side does hurt you from being able
to go right. And again, let's see how the first
year goes. I believe you have a deeper three point line.
You are playing against better competition, bigger, older ladies, and
there is of course, you can work through your shot
(49:43):
when you're twenty two years old. It's the exact same
shot that Lonzo Ball used to take, same shot, and
you're like, well, Lonzo Ball couldn't shoot. He shot forty
two percent from three in college. Not as good a
free throw shooter. That's the thing that people fall back on.
She's a very good free throw shooter, but I also
don't think she he shoots it nearly that way when
she shoots some the free throw liner.
Speaker 3 (50:02):
I didn't pay close enough attention. But when she shoots
the free throw, does the ball start on the left too?
Speaker 1 (50:07):
Don't think so?
Speaker 2 (50:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (50:08):
Okay, I don't.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
Think so so, which again makes it more impressive that
she can shoot it slightly differently and still be the
best women's basketball player in college. But the if it
would take you to forty two, forty three, forty four
percent from three, would you do it? It's a great question,
(50:35):
and again your response to it at the end, which
is it could screw her up. That's the whole thing.
Do you risk screwing it up by changing it? And
I'm not talking about wholesale changes. You move it over slowly,
and you do it in the off season a tweak Yeah.
But what happens is you say fix and people freak
out and they're like, well, shout it, thought broke, So
you don't need to fix it, understood. It's more a
(50:57):
term of do you fix the mechanics of it
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