June 3, 2024 • 45 mins
On a Monday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug gives his take on what happened this past weekend with Caitlin Clark and the fallout from her incident with Sky guard Chennedy Carter.
Doug and the crew give out what they loved and hated most in this week's version of "Love & Hate"
Doug welcomes Outkick commentator and former basketball coach Dan Dakich onto the show to address what is really going on with Caitlin Clark in the WNBA.
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good day. Great, you had a good weekend, spectacular NBA Finals.
Still a couple of days away, Still a couple days away.
We got big breaking news. You heard from Dan Bayer
brokerl this morning that Justin Jefferson got his bag. Could
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you get your bag? Get your bag? Uh? He is
now again And this is based upon the Twitter sphere.
The highest paid non quarterback in the National Football League.
And I will tell you what they're doing in Minnesota
and what team it mirrors and why it's painfully obvious
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how and why that tank team is mirroring they're mirroring
that team. Yeah, I may have jumbled my words, but
you know what I'm saying. But it's it's interesting right
that I feel compelled to start today's show talking about
a topic which we've been talking about here for a
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couple of weeks, and a subject or a woman who
we've been talking about for a couple of months, a
sport not basketball, but women's basketball, which we never talked
about previously. And honestly, that to me is what's behind
so much of this. So over the weekend, Caitlyn Clark
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had she had a rough go of it. Now, it
started on Friday night when they beat Chicago, they beat
the Chicago Sky and of course there was the the
Chnity Carter foul and apparently, if you watch the film,
she caught it like invertont elbow from Caitlyn Clark and
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runs up and hip checks her when she wasn't expecting it,
and you know, the Twitter spear kind of explodes. Now,
fast forward to yesterday and the Indiana Fever got curb
stomped by the New York Liberty and Caitlyn Clark had
far and away her worst game as a professional player,
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probably her worst game all year if you factor in
when she played collegiately. I only think think it's close, right,
one of ten, three points, one of seven from three.
That's not good. So it's pretty obvious to anybody with
a brain that the ladies of the WNBA, not all
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of them, but a good number of them set their
sights on when Caitlin Clark plays. We're going to shut
her down, and we're gonna we're gonna welcome her to
the w our style. Now, the Chicago Sky has coach
named Teresa Weatherspoon. If you know Teresa Westpoon's great player,
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great player, she said, Chnity, Clark and the team will
learn from an incident in Saturday's game when Carter committed
a flagrant one foul. Quote physical play, intensity and competitive
spirit are hallmarks of Chicago Sky basketball. Chnnity got caught
up in the heat of the moment in effort to
win the game. She and I have discussed what happens
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was not appropriate. It's not what we do, not who
we are. Shennity understands that are better ways to handle
situations on the court. She will learn from this. We
all are. It's fine. I'm not going to make a
big statement about her. The statement whatever, you're either coaching
it or allowing it. That's the challenges for me, right, Like,
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if you don't lay down the law over somebody's behavior,
sideline decorum, bided language, shot selection, you know, obviously at
the collegiate level you got other things as well. If
you don't, you're allowing it. But man, has this Caitlin
Clark thing taken on more and more life. Pat McAfee
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chimed in earlier today and he had this interesting take.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
What the w NBA currently has is what we like
to describe as a cash cow. There is a superstar.
And we're not saying that the players on the courteneyed
act any differently. That's the athletes are going to do
what athletes are going to do in any sport. I
think we're all learning that WNBA that's old school football.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
But yeah, that is old school football.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
But I would like the media people that continue to
say this rookie class, this rookie class, this rookie class,
not just call it for what it is. There's one
white for the Indiana team who is a superstar.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Yeah, I don't know why he added in the B
word there whatever, although that's what Kennedy Carter called her.
I'm not offended by it, and I think it's I
think it's honestly, it's pat trying to draw attention to himself, right,
Like there's no real take there other than the honesty,
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which is nobody cares about this league except for Kaitlin Clark.
I can't help you otherwise. Every metric tells you that.
And the problem here is that we're wrapping in we
gets wrapped up in. It is all of the first
the main thing I think is the jealousy over the
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attention that she's getting. And I don't look at jealousy
as a bad thing, but how you process that jealousy
and what you do with that energy is where so
many of these women make themselves look like they're teenage girls.
But the reality is that if you want to tell
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us that women aren't caddy and women aren't jealous, the
women aren't different. Women are similar to men. And how
they handle themselves that you can say all you want,
but how they have propored themselves is like Zion Williamson
came in with gigantic expectations. Did any of this happen
to him? Lebron James, Did any of this happen to him?
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And I'll grant you that. There's even the fact that
her teammates were nowhere to be found when she gets
hip checked and she's laying there whereas it's your jo.
We can go more into this on the podcast. My
first game at Notre Dame was an exhibition game against
the German professional team and we lost the game. But
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the next morning when we watch film, and the whole
focus of the next practice was the fact that they
had a seven footer who took a couple of cheap
shots on our guard guards and the fact that he
wasn't taken out by our big guys and fouled hard
by our big guys on the next possession, or we
foul one of their guards, like that's how the sport works. Oh,
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you will found me, that's okay, don't drive to the
hoop because we're gonna clean you out. But there was
none of that. So there's only three possibilities, and we
do have to open ourselves up to the third possibility.
Here's the first one. These women are just jealous, Caddie.
They don't know how to handle it. That to me
is the most likely scenario. Stereo two is the the
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Fever just don't have good culture and it hasn't been
discussed and their coach does not know what she's doing.
A possibility, probably not likely because all of these women
have played basketball for years and they know how it's
supposed to go. And here's the third possibility. It is
possible that Caitlin Clark and look, I know people around her.
I haven't heard this from anybody around her, but I
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it's possible that she rubs people the wrong way, that
she's aloof that all this attention makes her kind of
separate from the team. And because she's separate from the team,
they're like, hey, you want to be a superstar, you
handle yourself. We don't need It's possible. I think the
most likely scenario is just rampant and jealousy. Hey, we've
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been grinding away our whole lives. We've traveled all over
the world to play basketball. I mean Kennedy Carter, She's
been in and out of the WNBA, She's played overseas,
she's played in Turkey. You know, E've been grinding and
only now they're paying attention because this girl, who I
don't think is very good. Now, I'm not saying me,
I'm saying other women. Why does she get the shine
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instead of embracing the shine and using it to propel everybody?
There's why her? What's so special about her? My point
is always it doesn't matter. And if you're jealous and
you want your own, then beat her. That's the biggest
cloud show of Kennedy Carter's deal was there's no mention
of the fact that they lost the game by one point,
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and that foul gets you free free throws, and the
free throws end up being the deciding factor in the game.
It's it's really interesting. I don't know. I didn't tell
you guys this, but we've come up with a motto
at Green Bay this year, motto, do you want to
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know what it is? You guys intrigued it all?
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Please, let's do it?
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Walk the walk?
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Oh, it's good you like that kind of reminds me
of the old four season song walk like a Man.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Yeah, this one is more. You know, it's the old
You can talk the talk, but you gotta walk the walk.
It's expression I love and again I'm I'm accused because
I've been a talker my entire professional career of Okay,
I've talked about it. Now I gonna walk it. And
that's the issue with all these women. They want to talk,
but they won't walk it. No one cares about all
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of your past issues or that the league used to
fly commercial or you know, you bounce some Marina and
arena or you like, they don't care. I'm sorry that
no one paid attention to your league for twenty five years.
That's that's called business, okay. And in the real business world,
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the sport probably would have gone under, but it looked
good for the NBA for a long time and they
stuck with it. And now they're going to make legitimate
money on it, but not for long if you guys
can't get your ship together. So I just this is
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the worst part of women. And look, there's bad parts
of men too. Let's just be honest, like, dudes have
all different sorts of things within us that separate us
from women, Okay, that make us different than what Venus
and Marizona's Mars and Venus. But the reality is, and
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I've seen this in our profession men as women, and
it's I it's I get it. It's really really hard
to be a woman. You ask any I'm gonna tell
you something that everyone in the industry knows that nobody
talks about on air. Women feel like once they hit
the age of forty, everybody wants to put them behind
the desk. That when they're young and they're vibrant and
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they're beautiful, they're sideline reporters. And then or they're they're
standing up, and when they get older and even when
they're talented, they put them behind the desk, right, And
that sucks. That's wrong because no one judges guys, how
old is Tom Rinaldi, who's great by the way, you
know any of these other men who do things nobody
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but women. That's what the industry has done to women
for years. Well, the issue that I've always seen is
women in our profession. It's not that they're not united,
it's that they're incredibly divisive towards each other. The cattiness
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and jealousy is a real thing. Like you go by
the makeup room when there's a woman getting her makeup done,
and all it is is a bitch fest about all
the different problems and usually problems with other women. I
find this to be like a fascinating study of human nature.
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I mean, Caitlyn Clark clearly struggling. She's a rookie. I'm
sure there's gonna be some fatigue set in, not just
because she played in a college season that went to
the championship game and there's virtually no break, but also
all these other things that she's done. It's exhausting and
so many she's the focal point of every scatter report
and she's they're breaking her down and she's struggling at
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times to be herself. I get it. She's playing against
better competition and they're playing a ton of games and
there's a ton of attention. I have no doubt she's exhausted.
So I'm sure that's going to hurt her play. But man,
and some level, you give credit to the WNBA because
they figured out a way to make themselves relevant when
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they've been irrelevant for years. On the other hand, somebody
needs to tell these ladies, hey, just because there's NBA
attached to the w doesn't mean that you're in the NBA.
And everything in this league is like a caricature of
what women believe the NBA is like. It's like you
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crank it up to a notch of like three or four. Right,
do they welcome rookies to the NBA? Sure? Is it
so over the top and right there where no one
like you didn't even like, what are you doing? The
trash talk is the same dude's trash talk, but you
don't see them like stopping and yelling and pointing to
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nearly it's overly dramatic. It's more like the WWE than
it is like the NBA. And you know, I believe
that that in many ways, foreign players are like that
as well. Like one of the reasons that foreign players
curse so much is because they're they're modeling what they
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think or they see how guys talk. Yeah, the problem
with that is when they first get when you first
are with an American teammate. American teammates always and I
know this when I was the American teammate, we always
teach you the good curse words, and we always want
to know the curse words. I can tell you curse
words in Hebrew and in Russian, and in Spanish and
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in French. I can't speak a look of French Undu twaca, right,
but other that can't. But I can tell you the
cursewords Hebrew. I can't read it. I know a couple phrases,
I know the cursewords. The point is, that's what the
WNBA is. It's a caricature of what they believe the
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NBA is like. And then you ramp it all up
to like a a power of three, if you will.
So the good news is we're still talking about it.
The bad news is it's exhausting and there's not the
payoff of the NBA in the NFL in terms of
the quality of play.
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All right, obviously that's something you hate. That's something that sucks.
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But let's kind of recap the weekend from our own
perspective with a little love and hate.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
What did you love?
Speaker 1 (18:08):
God? I love you?
Speaker 3 (18:10):
And what did you hate?
Speaker 1 (18:12):
These? Claire Hay is all right, I'm gonna start, guys.
If you don't mind, okay, but listen. If you don't
love it, speak now and forever hold your peace, okay,
and buyer is my most opinion usually on this one.
So Dan, you can you can hate this it's it's cool.
I came up with our our motto for our team.
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You ready walk the walk because you know, like you know,
an expression. You can talk to talk, but you gotta
walk the walk. Just walk the walk. You know, it's like, hey,
there's no purpose in talking about what you're gonna do
or how you're gonna do it, or how good you are.
Just walk the walk. Don't tell me you want to
be an all conference player. Walk come walk, tell me
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you want to start walk walk do it? What do
you think, buyer?
Speaker 5 (19:02):
I'm fine with it, you know, I think that those I.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Don't like fine with it. That's not what I'm looking for.
I just I do you think they're cheesy?
Speaker 5 (19:11):
I I think some can be cheesy. I don't think
every team needs one. But I understand you're also trying
to instill a culture, so I get that portion of it.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Yeah, so it's fine.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
But like every year, like.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
If the Patriots, you know, do your job. Oh yeah, yeah,
get it done, you know, like that sort of thing,
like that's you know, after a while, I think you
just probably become numb to it. But I can understand
in your situation of then that's it's pretty good.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Yeah, I would wait.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
We got from fine to pretty good. I'm gonna stay.
I'm just coming to back away now, Dan, what's your
What do you love from the weekend, I'll tell you
what I was.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
I was here for most of the weekend, and I
love that we had some conversations that that have, you know,
caught a little fire, whether it be with Caitlin Clark
but all said, another conversation that I had with Mark
Medina on Saturday, when Mark and I were sitting in
and it struck such a nerve with one Steve Hartman
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that he felt the need to talk about what I
said on his show, which I think is the ultimate
compliment if you're you know in this business that you
want people talking about what you said, whether they be
so what was said, and there's even clips of it,
you can see it on Instagram. I just feel that
the Boston Celtics brand is not what everybody thinks it is,
Like the Lakers' brand is the top brand in the NBA.
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It's correct something that we've talked about maybe on this
show as well. But to think that the Boston Celtics
are number two, or that this brand sells, they're not
even the top brand in the NBA Finals series right now,
and that was kind of the impetus of it, of
the Dallas Mavericks are actually the team that you want
to watch, and the Boston Celtics really outside of the
one championship, really haven't been that great brand over the
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last thirty five to forty years.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
So that was the conversation.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Okay, I mean my pushback would be.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
Oh, there's been plenty of pushback. I just don't agree
with any of the pushback. Steve Hartman was railing on
the Lakers bad years, but that's also a testament to
the brand even in the bad years, if you're still
talking about it. We probably talked about more about the
Lakers coaching search than we have about anything else in
the NBA, including the Eastern Conference playoffs, which included the
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Boston Celtics.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
But that at least partially has to be because Lebron right.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
Correct, which is something the Boston Celtics do not have,
is a superstar player, and they really haven't had any
outside of Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett in two thousand
and eight, since Larry Bird and Kevin McHale and Robert Parrish.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Completely fair so completely fair. Yep, Okay, Jay Stu, what'd
you let in the weekend?
Speaker 3 (21:55):
I need to point out as the arbiter. I think
Dan just won. Dan just won that argument.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
I didn't know there was an argument.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Yeah, oh no, it was very contentious. You had to
you had to get him back for him not loving
your motto, and then you made a point and he
just he just destroyed the whole thing.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
Doug was expecting the worst from me with the motto,
and I actually was. I'm fine with it.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
I wasn't. I wasn't expecting the worst. I just and
I totally get what you mean, Like I don't love
a bunch of different mottos or whatever. I just I like,
I just like that to be the overwhelming theme of
how you carry yourself, you know. And I I and
and some of it is I understand people's perception of
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me that I got to talk about it like I'm
just not talk my way out of anything and talk
my way into a job. No, no, no, let me
show you you.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Know see that that what you just said makes a
ton of sense. If you're saying that your team is
going to personify your motto. Yes, you have been the
one talking about this. You've been saying on air that
you think you deserve a head coaching.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
I never said that. I never said once, I deserve.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Oh a shot. I don't know what.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
I never said one. I never I've never said any
of that. I was I love, I would love one.
I never said the word deserve.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Okay, so scratch that. You've been the one talking about
going from broadcast to head church with no experience.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Huh.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
So it is a walk to walk for you personally, sure,
And I always think that walk the walk is always
comes after someone has been talking a lot. So that that.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
I've been talking. I've been talking for twenty one years
in the radio Now Go Show, Now Go Show. I've
been talking about basketball and you know, and what you're
supposed to do, what you're not supposed to do. So
now you have to show people walk the walk.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Yeah, this is a guy speaking of a guy who
walks the walk. Yes, he's I think quickly become maybe
my favorite major leaguer. And that's Tommy Fam. I don't
know if you saw the episode.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Love Tommy FA say again, so you like Tommy Fam?
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Oh no, I love Tommy Fam because he actually says
things out loud that you're not supposed to. I don't
think you're supposed to make like terrorist threats on people
or threatened to beat people up. But he does and
he gets away with it. This is a pretty badass statement,
I will say so for those who didn't catch it.
Tommy Fan plays under the awful White Sox. He was
thrown out at home over the weekend by the Brewers,
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and the Brewers is a Willem contraras I think is
his name or its brothers Wilson. I know that, yep.
So Tommy is describing what happened on the play that
resulted in a bench's clearing incident. And Tommy said, you know,
I was thrown out at home, and I look over
it at tough guy contrerass with all of his hurrah
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sh and this is where it starts getting cool. This
is what he says to reporters. I never start anything,
but I'll be prepared to finish it. Oh reason why
I do all kinds of fighting in the off season
because I'm prepared to f somebody up. Now, are you
talking about a guy who walks the walk? Yep, Tommy
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Fam walks the walk and he talks a good talk.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
That he does, no question about all right, what do
you got for me? Sam?
Speaker 6 (25:21):
The w NBA, more specifically Fever games and Kayln Clark.
It's become pro wrestling in a sense. It's become roller Derby,
and I think I'm here for it.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Roller Derby great reference.
Speaker 6 (25:34):
Yes, okay, we're watching roller what's the point of roller
Derby going around circles? I don't even know, but there's
constantly elbowing and people tripping each other and fighting. And listen,
if we embrace these kinds of things that happened to
Kayln Clark over the weekend are getting hip checked by
Kennedy Carter, then it can hide the fact that she
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only scored three points, had her worst game of her career,
and the heat the Fever are terrible. So if we
race this as WWE, it's a little bit of an
entertainment with these little conflicts.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
It's roller Derby.
Speaker 6 (26:06):
I love that because right now we're not tuning in
for quality basketball coming from the Fever.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Nope, well I'm not sure we're tuned in for quality
basketball period from the WNBA, but it does. This is
a lot like the Again, it's a it's like a
cartoon version of the NBA right where we cover the drama,
even in the drama overshadows the fact that sometimes the
product isn't that good. I'm interested, though, Jase, do like
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you said you'd give it another what two weeks?
Speaker 7 (26:40):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Remember last week you said you'll give Kitlin another two
weeks to pick it up?
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Do we think we're at minute fourteen?
Speaker 3 (26:48):
I just think that there's two separate conversations, right. I
said that I would give Caitlin Clark two weeks to
prove to me that she's transcendent so I could go
out of my way to watch her on TV. I've
never watched a WNBA game until the season. I've watched
five this season. I'll give her another two weeks to
prove to me that I should keep tuning in. But
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by no means I'm not gonna stop following the drama.
I mean, what happened this weekend was must see TV
the commentary. Since then, I think there's been more drama
in the fight over the commentary since Saturday, Like, it's
been amazing content. So don't don't but don't confight the two.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Yeah, it's it's a smart point. You made, very very
smart point.
Speaker 6 (27:30):
And Jason, real quick, you want more of the Kaitlyn
Clark staring down her defender, giving a stink face.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
You want more of that. You want more of that sauce.
Sauce and that's spice after she has done something amazing. Okay,
So we need more of that.
Speaker 6 (27:43):
We need more amazing from Kaylin Clark, and we need
more stare down college.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Like four or five times a game she would do
logo threes and stare down her opponent. I like that stuff,
love it.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Okay, I got, I got one more thing. I'm good
on what I loved. Yeah, I'm good on what I loved.
Let's get to what she hated from the weekend. This
kind of does play into your wheelhouse, Jason, because you
hate everything. Just give me one thing you hated for
the weekend.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Well, it has to do with Kennedy Clark. And I'm
just going to call her chnity because that's how she
spells it. And I'm really annoyed with her parents for
giving her that spelling Chnity Carter Chanity Carter. So all
the drama that happened this weekend, there was one thing
that was lost in it, and I hate that it
was lost in it. It was something that Chnity Carter
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had put on her on her I guess you would
say social media. She responded to an instagram was on threads.
I think I know Cred's and it was something along
the lines of the only thing she does is make
three pointers, right, Isn't that something like that, like, uh,
that's all she does? Good or something like that. If
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I'm a recommissioner of the WNBA, I pull Shennity into
her into the office and I said, Chnnity, we need
Caitlin Cark to succeed to pay all these debts that
we have. You can't be saying the only thing she
does is make three pointers like that is the most
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short sighted thing done or said this past weekend. I
don't care about the play on Saturday, I don't care
about everything that's happened since then. But one of your
players is saying the only thing she does is make
threes when she has literally taken the league to another
level of profile. To me that that was lost in
the entire thing.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
What about you? Dan Byer sent me you hate it
for the weekend.
Speaker 5 (29:48):
You know, it's kind of an overall sort of thing,
and it goes in line with the PGA Tour and
Live Golf. With a lot of the changes to the schedule,
there were certain tournaments that you always we're used to
having at a certain time. Well, the Memorial was usually
the week after Memorial Day weekend and it worked out well,
but because of changes maybe calendar, we've got the Memorial
(30:10):
this week. It's a signature event, so the top players
will be there at Jack's tournament, but it's usually about
two weeks out from the US Open, and the US
Open is next week, and I just kind of like
having as great as the Canadian Open was, the Canadian
Open has been moved all over the PGA Tour schedule.
I kind of missed the Memorial this past weekend. I
loved the US Women's Open, even though there wasn't a
(30:33):
lot of drama yesterday, but just the fact of the
sports calendar, and again going back to golf, we've got
the Memorial this week, and I think that it loses
a little bit of its height because the US Open
will be coming up next week. I always like Jack's
Tournament always translates beautifully on TV, lush and green, but yeah,
I didn't like that this past weekend.
Speaker 6 (30:55):
Sammy I'm going to co sign on Jason's point Kennedy
Carter's threads post, But I'm actually it's not that she
shouldn't say that. I just think it's factually incorrect. I mean,
if anything, Caitlyn Clark is not shooting her signature three
pointer well this season at all, so she's really filling
up the stat sheet in other ways. I mean, she's
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averaging five rebounds over five rebounds, almost six and a half, assists,
a couple of steals, couples of blocks, So she's filling
up the stat sheet. That's not she doesn't just shoot threes.
She shoots threes, and she's not even doing it that well.
So I don't I hate the fact that she said
that because it is factually incorrect. She's making her imprint
on the game in other ways.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Okay. I also think it's funny that they lost that
she's running her mouth and they lost. I don't care
about that, Like, you lost to arguably the worst team
or second worst team in the WNBA. You you did
lose that game, right, I don't that one.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Strikes Mystics have a win yet, No they do not.
They're O to eight. The Washington Mystics are the worst
team in the WNBA.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
So the Second Warstars they have two wins. I hate
my team in baseball. I just I can't. I So
here's the thing I'm trying to I'm trying to switch
over and do be for National League. I'm gonna be
a Brewers guy, and they're good. But it does it
(32:15):
feels kind of icky, right, like to hop on board
because you move in the area and you're living in
Green Bay and I love Yeah, you know, Brian Anderson
and Jeff Leverick are great dudes. They're they're broadcasters, radio
and TV good friends. And I frankly grew up a
Brewers fan, born in Milwaukee, and I used to watch
those teams and when we moved away. But it does
(32:37):
feel weird, kind of parachute, you know. Winter The balance
of it is like I was. I went to a
lid story yesterday and I was looking for a Brewer's
hat and there's a bunch of Angels hats and I
just couldn't do it, Like I don't want to. I
can't stare so bad, like the A's are better than them.
(32:58):
How's that possible? The A's have five people of their
home games. They have no desire to win, and the
A's are better than the end. And I know Mike
Trout's out, but Mike good Oh, just I hate baseball.
I hate my team.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
We saw what you bought, Doug. You got a new
Packers hat, didn't you?
Speaker 1 (33:14):
I did get a new Packers That thing is sweet?
Yeah it was. It was a tough call there. I
felt like, here's what I feel like. The what are
the ones called that have the the hat sizes of
fixed or fitted fitted? The fitted ones? I think you
can only do the fitted for major League baseball hats. Buyer,
(33:35):
What do you think there? Does that make sense? Like
it's like snap bax. I think you can do for
any other hat, but a fitted hat is a baseball hat,
and you should do a baseball true baseball specific hat.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
I do have. I do have one fitted NFL hat,
but it's like a flex fit but it flex fits
cool and like the Major League Baseball hats, it has
the NFL logo on the back. Yeah, it's just a
seahawk you know hat. That's all it is. But yeah,
I'm pretty much in line with it.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Yeah that they hit you ate my team? Too? Good?
Speaker 3 (34:07):
No, No, like I don't even want.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Like I every day, I mean, like every night, I
go and I read and I watch the box scores,
and I'm like looking, I'm like, there's just there's just
no hope. So I'm I I want to switch to
be an Orioles fan. I just do. I mean, I
know I shouldn't do it because that's against everything that
I say that you're supposed to do as a sports fan.
(34:30):
You gotta stick with your team. But I hate my team.
They're so bad. There's no hope for them to be
good at any point in the future. That's love and hate.
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(35:15):
have him on my show. He's the one only Double
D Dan Dakich. You can see his show on OutKick.
It's called Don't at Me Monday through Friday, nine am
to eleven am Eastern time. Of course, he was a
longtime college basketball analyst, and before that he was a
head coach at to Indiana at Bowling Green, of course,
at West Virginia for a very short stint, and then
(35:35):
a longtime college basketball analyst on ESPN and Double D
joints us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show. I have
my own kind of thoughts and maybe hypotheses as to
what has caused the WNBA to be so negative in
how in their approach of Kaitlin Clark. What are your thoughts, Dan,
(35:56):
You're in Indy.
Speaker 7 (35:58):
You're a much deeper thinker. And by the way, congrats
on the new gig man, that's going to be fun
to watch. I've become a scenic fan and I'm really
looking forward to it. And you get to control of
the national narrative on you because you got your show.
So good for you, man, Yeah, it's perfect. My thoughts
are what my wife told me. My wife coached for years,
(36:19):
was an All American player, took Toledo to the College
World Series, was an Olympic alternate, winning his coach at
Bowling Green, winning his coach at Syracuse. And she said, look,
you got to understand women are always going to try
to tear other women down in sports. They just do.
And she's dealt with it her whole life. She understands it.
And I see a lot of that. I see women
(36:39):
trying to tear women down. I see jealousy, I see
insecurity people may seem race, But I defer in these
instances to my wife, And when she said that, and
I put it on Twitter, pointed, I have a number
of women that have been at athletics reach out to
her and to me saying, you are so right. Obviously,
(37:01):
Kate and Caitlyn Clark has touched a nerve in the
nation with her play. Her style is something that we
can all relate to. It's different. A lot of people
race batis have made it to a black white, a
sex you know, straight lesbian thing. Yeah, maybe that all
factors in, but my wife's saying what she said to
me really hit a chord with me. Women cannot stand
(37:24):
to see other women be successful and they will to
turn them.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Down and thank you, Thank you. Listen, we had this conversation,
and you and I have both we worked at the ESPN, right,
and then I've worked at CBS and at Fox. At CBS,
I would say, I don't think that's the case. I
actually want to really give give credit to CBS because
CBS was different. It's a much smaller shop. But really
(37:48):
felt like it was it was it was different. I mean,
Tracy is a really sweetheart. And of course Ali LaForce
and Dana Jacobson, I know she's doing news now. It
was different. But at ESPN and Fox, I can tell
you unequivocally, okay, that the way women talk about, treat
and are caddy about other women in the same field.
(38:09):
And the crazy part about it is, and here's the
similarities being broadcasting and women's professional basketball is like like
there's a fight for relevancy and legitimacy, right, and so
why wouldn't they be all in it together? And yet
they tear each other apart, Like it's crazy what happens
(38:30):
in the broadcast world. I know you've seen it as well.
Speaker 7 (38:33):
Oh man, he is Penn. I've been told right now,
at worst it's ever been, you know, in the makeup
room and the air deal. I've been told by people
still there. You and I both have friends there, that
this is a complete blank show. Yeah, I mean, you know,
instead of just doing the job, people want to I guess,
get cloud progress their career. And that's cool. Hey, look
(38:55):
I get it, but I would argue that ultimately that
short lived. Now, maybe it works for a while, but
you are so right, Doug. In the broadcast world, oh
the cattiness, the talking to and you know what, I'll
say you this, that's men too. I mean, men do
it the same. In the broadcast world.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
They to say.
Speaker 7 (39:15):
No, no, no, no, no no. I agree, it's not the same,
but I still think they do it. Sports is a
little bit different because it's so performance based. I'm gonna
ask you something you don't have liked. You know what.
I would have liked to see that Carter girl do
instead of act like a complete moron in the press
conference after and the girl Cardoza's doing her hair, they're
too they're acting like two complete idiots. I would have
(39:38):
loved to see that Carter girl say, hey, you know what,
I don't like Caitlin Clark. I don't like her. Yeah,
I did something that I shouldn't have done. I knocked
her on her backside when I shouldn't have. But I
just don't like her. I don't like the publicity she's getting.
I think she talks a lot of trash. I don't
think she's deserving and I don't like her. And if
you have a problem with what I did, I don't
blame you. I would have loved you have seen that.
(40:00):
So at least you know what Caitlin Clark, I'm sure
does rub the women the wrong way by what she's saying.
Of course, it rubs people the wrong way. What she's getting,
you know, it's like those old white golfers when Tiger Woods,
you know, got all the stuff from Nike and got
all the attention. They're saying, well, let's see what he
does on the course, And well, he did it on
the course, and Kaitlin Clark's doing it on the course.
(40:23):
I wish they'd just come out and be honest. Look,
I don't like her as opposed to trying to do
whatever it is that they're trying to do.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
It's it's really interesting. The other part to it is like,
this is the first time. Why do you think that
there are so many either women in the WNBA or
people that cover the WNBA that are so bothered by
the fact that nobody paid attention to the league for
the first twenty five years.
Speaker 7 (40:53):
Well, I think this is like, you know, a defense
mechanism and insecurity. See we've been doing this for twenty
five years. No you haven't, No, you haven't. And as
great as some of these players have been, none of
them are interesting. None of them captured the imagination. I mean, look,
Brittany Grinder is unlikable, Diana Trossi is unlikable. You can
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say whatever you like, but they are. And all of
a sudden, here comes a woman in Caitlin Clark that
plays in a way that I think the way she
plays hit perfect. You know, Steph Curry shooting threes became
okay for everybody shoot deep threes. All of a sudden,
here comes somebody that just captured it. And I would
argue that if somebody played like Caitlin Clark, with the
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edge that Caitlin Clark had and played for Iowa, not Yukon,
or not South Carolina, I think they might have captured
Whether she was white, black, straight, lesbian, whatever, but all
those things hit for Caitlin Clark, and you know what,
the insecurity comes out in the media, like the woman
today on with stephen A. Smith. I forget her name,
(41:56):
but she telling stephen A.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Smith.
Speaker 7 (41:58):
You could have been talking about this three years ago. No, Doug,
you hosted the show on ESPN. Play the hits. ESPN
is going to talk about Lebron, They're going to talk
about Brett Farr back in the day. They're good. Play
the damn hits and the hits three years ago, two
years ago, even a year ago, had absolutely nothing to do. Doug.
I'll end with this. I've done radio shows in any
(42:21):
for fifteen years. I took one year off last year
on a non compete. The year previous to that, the
fever played. I did not mention the fever one time.
Got to the end of the season and my producer goes,
you know, hey, Dan, we haven't even said the word fever. Right.
They're terrible, They're uninteresting now they're not. So these folks
need to get over it. The WNBA players need to
(42:43):
figure out if you don't like her, say it, let's
get something good going here, not something stupid like knocking
somebody out of bounds when they don't have a ball.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Dan Docs joining us here on the Doug Gottlip Show.
You can you can see his show Don't at Me
on OutKick to eleven am Eastern Time, every day, Monday
through Friday. All right. In regards to the actual league,
the NBA, what do you think you'll find?
Speaker 7 (43:14):
Oh man, I'm Serbian, Lucas Serbian. I'm supposed to love Luca,
but I can't stand the way he plays and then
he hits the big shot. I don't learn something about him.
And I've always really liked Kyrie Irving. To me, Kyrie
Irving is the closest thing Isaiah Thomas that I have seen.
And I'll say this, I watched every minute of every
(43:34):
Pacer game against Boston, and some of it from about
the third row. I was lucky enough to get seats close.
If Boston gives the opportunities to Dallas that they gave
to Indiana, they're gonna get beat and Boston, you know,
I think is the smartest basketball team that I may
have ever seen. I mean this, Derek White, l Horford
(43:54):
and Drew Holiday are like basketball savants. Dog. I couldn't
stop watching Al Hardford direct players on defense offense and
this Derek White, he makes every play. But if they
give the opportunity, and I don't think they will, I
think they'll be a little tighter. If they give the
same opportunities to Dallas, they're gonna get beaten six. I
(44:17):
think Boston's really good. I think Boston's really smarter. I
think Boston will figure out a way. But I love
this final. I don't know if it's sexy. I don't
know if it's not, but I love this final. And
everybody that bad mouths Kyrie Irving, good for you, man.
I mean, I know they're this flatin all that stupid stuff.
With that boy that ball. That man can ball, I
mean ball, big time ball. And I can't wait to
(44:39):
see it because I love him. I saw him four
years ago kill I mean kill the Pacers here in
a sweep with Boston, and I'm looking forward to seeing
what he can do against Boston. It's going to be fun,
a lot of storylines.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
Steug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the
voice of the one and only do WD Dan Dockets,
Danie're the best man. I wish you could bring some
opinions and some energy next time.
Speaker 7 (45:02):
Hey, congrats again, my friend. Good luck.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
You told me I was I told you it was
like a year ago. I think it was a year ago.
Right when I didn't get the job, you were like
you sure you want to do this? Like yeah, And
you asked me why, and I gave you the reasons why.
You're like, all right, man, well then i'll you should go.
Then then do it when you want to do it.
I finally got a shot to do it.
Speaker 7 (45:25):
Yeah, finally someone was smart enough to hire you. Man,
Now you got to go live in the cold. I
assume I assume you're not assuming coaching. I assume you're no.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
We will, We'll be there, We'll be there. The question
when are you coming up?
Speaker 7 (45:39):
I am coming. I want to see I like that place.
I got my brains beat out there twice, but I
don't mind it. We want a couple there too, So yeah,
I want to go. I want to see your team.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
Congrats, you're you're you and you and your bride are
welcome anytime. Thanks Dan, Thanks joining me.
Speaker 7 (45:52):
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good day. Great, you had a good weekend, spectacular NBA Finals.
Still a couple of days away, Still a couple days away.
We got big breaking news. You heard from Dan Bayer
brokerl this morning that Justin Jefferson got his bag. Could
(00:48):
you get your bag? Get your bag? Uh? He is
now again And this is based upon the Twitter sphere.
The highest paid non quarterback in the National Football League.
And I will tell you what they're doing in Minnesota
and what team it mirrors and why it's painfully obvious
(01:10):
how and why that tank team is mirroring they're mirroring
that team. Yeah, I may have jumbled my words, but
you know what I'm saying. But it's it's interesting right
that I feel compelled to start today's show talking about
a topic which we've been talking about here for a
(01:31):
couple of weeks, and a subject or a woman who
we've been talking about for a couple of months, a
sport not basketball, but women's basketball, which we never talked
about previously. And honestly, that to me is what's behind
so much of this. So over the weekend, Caitlyn Clark
(01:52):
had she had a rough go of it. Now, it
started on Friday night when they beat Chicago, they beat
the Chicago Sky and of course there was the the
Chnity Carter foul and apparently, if you watch the film,
she caught it like invertont elbow from Caitlyn Clark and
(02:13):
runs up and hip checks her when she wasn't expecting it,
and you know, the Twitter spear kind of explodes. Now,
fast forward to yesterday and the Indiana Fever got curb
stomped by the New York Liberty and Caitlyn Clark had
far and away her worst game as a professional player,
(02:33):
probably her worst game all year if you factor in
when she played collegiately. I only think think it's close, right,
one of ten, three points, one of seven from three.
That's not good. So it's pretty obvious to anybody with
a brain that the ladies of the WNBA, not all
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of them, but a good number of them set their
sights on when Caitlin Clark plays. We're going to shut
her down, and we're gonna we're gonna welcome her to
the w our style. Now, the Chicago Sky has coach
named Teresa Weatherspoon. If you know Teresa Westpoon's great player,
(03:16):
great player, she said, Chnity, Clark and the team will
learn from an incident in Saturday's game when Carter committed
a flagrant one foul. Quote physical play, intensity and competitive
spirit are hallmarks of Chicago Sky basketball. Chnnity got caught
up in the heat of the moment in effort to
win the game. She and I have discussed what happens
(03:37):
was not appropriate. It's not what we do, not who
we are. Shennity understands that are better ways to handle
situations on the court. She will learn from this. We
all are. It's fine. I'm not going to make a
big statement about her. The statement whatever, you're either coaching
it or allowing it. That's the challenges for me, right, Like,
(03:58):
if you don't lay down the law over somebody's behavior,
sideline decorum, bided language, shot selection, you know, obviously at
the collegiate level you got other things as well. If
you don't, you're allowing it. But man, has this Caitlin
Clark thing taken on more and more life. Pat McAfee
(04:20):
chimed in earlier today and he had this interesting take.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
What the w NBA currently has is what we like
to describe as a cash cow. There is a superstar.
And we're not saying that the players on the courteneyed
act any differently. That's the athletes are going to do
what athletes are going to do in any sport. I
think we're all learning that WNBA that's old school football.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
But yeah, that is old school football.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
But I would like the media people that continue to
say this rookie class, this rookie class, this rookie class,
not just call it for what it is. There's one
white for the Indiana team who is a superstar.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Yeah, I don't know why he added in the B
word there whatever, although that's what Kennedy Carter called her.
I'm not offended by it, and I think it's I
think it's honestly, it's pat trying to draw attention to himself, right,
Like there's no real take there other than the honesty,
(05:24):
which is nobody cares about this league except for Kaitlin Clark.
I can't help you otherwise. Every metric tells you that.
And the problem here is that we're wrapping in we
gets wrapped up in. It is all of the first
the main thing I think is the jealousy over the
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attention that she's getting. And I don't look at jealousy
as a bad thing, but how you process that jealousy
and what you do with that energy is where so
many of these women make themselves look like they're teenage girls.
But the reality is that if you want to tell
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us that women aren't caddy and women aren't jealous, the
women aren't different. Women are similar to men. And how
they handle themselves that you can say all you want,
but how they have propored themselves is like Zion Williamson
came in with gigantic expectations. Did any of this happen
to him? Lebron James, Did any of this happen to him?
(06:31):
And I'll grant you that. There's even the fact that
her teammates were nowhere to be found when she gets
hip checked and she's laying there whereas it's your jo.
We can go more into this on the podcast. My
first game at Notre Dame was an exhibition game against
the German professional team and we lost the game. But
(06:52):
the next morning when we watch film, and the whole
focus of the next practice was the fact that they
had a seven footer who took a couple of cheap
shots on our guard guards and the fact that he
wasn't taken out by our big guys and fouled hard
by our big guys on the next possession, or we
foul one of their guards, like that's how the sport works. Oh,
(07:13):
you will found me, that's okay, don't drive to the
hoop because we're gonna clean you out. But there was
none of that. So there's only three possibilities, and we
do have to open ourselves up to the third possibility.
Here's the first one. These women are just jealous, Caddie.
They don't know how to handle it. That to me
is the most likely scenario. Stereo two is the the
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Fever just don't have good culture and it hasn't been
discussed and their coach does not know what she's doing.
A possibility, probably not likely because all of these women
have played basketball for years and they know how it's
supposed to go. And here's the third possibility. It is
possible that Caitlin Clark and look, I know people around her.
I haven't heard this from anybody around her, but I
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it's possible that she rubs people the wrong way, that
she's aloof that all this attention makes her kind of
separate from the team. And because she's separate from the team,
they're like, hey, you want to be a superstar, you
handle yourself. We don't need It's possible. I think the
most likely scenario is just rampant and jealousy. Hey, we've
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been grinding away our whole lives. We've traveled all over
the world to play basketball. I mean Kennedy Carter, She's
been in and out of the WNBA, She's played overseas,
she's played in Turkey. You know, E've been grinding and
only now they're paying attention because this girl, who I
don't think is very good. Now, I'm not saying me,
I'm saying other women. Why does she get the shine
(08:43):
instead of embracing the shine and using it to propel everybody?
There's why her? What's so special about her? My point
is always it doesn't matter. And if you're jealous and
you want your own, then beat her. That's the biggest
cloud show of Kennedy Carter's deal was there's no mention
of the fact that they lost the game by one point,
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and that foul gets you free free throws, and the
free throws end up being the deciding factor in the game.
It's it's really interesting. I don't know. I didn't tell
you guys this, but we've come up with a motto
at Green Bay this year, motto, do you want to
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know what it is? You guys intrigued it all?
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Please, let's do it?
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Walk the walk?
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Oh, it's good you like that kind of reminds me
of the old four season song walk like a Man.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Yeah, this one is more. You know, it's the old
You can talk the talk, but you gotta walk the walk.
It's expression I love and again I'm I'm accused because
I've been a talker my entire professional career of Okay,
I've talked about it. Now I gonna walk it. And
that's the issue with all these women. They want to talk,
but they won't walk it. No one cares about all
(10:04):
of your past issues or that the league used to
fly commercial or you know, you bounce some Marina and
arena or you like, they don't care. I'm sorry that
no one paid attention to your league for twenty five years.
That's that's called business, okay. And in the real business world,
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the sport probably would have gone under, but it looked
good for the NBA for a long time and they
stuck with it. And now they're going to make legitimate
money on it, but not for long if you guys
can't get your ship together. So I just this is
(10:48):
the worst part of women. And look, there's bad parts
of men too. Let's just be honest, like, dudes have
all different sorts of things within us that separate us
from women, Okay, that make us different than what Venus
and Marizona's Mars and Venus. But the reality is, and
(11:10):
I've seen this in our profession men as women, and
it's I it's I get it. It's really really hard
to be a woman. You ask any I'm gonna tell
you something that everyone in the industry knows that nobody
talks about on air. Women feel like once they hit
the age of forty, everybody wants to put them behind
the desk. That when they're young and they're vibrant and
(11:33):
they're beautiful, they're sideline reporters. And then or they're they're
standing up, and when they get older and even when
they're talented, they put them behind the desk, right, And
that sucks. That's wrong because no one judges guys, how
old is Tom Rinaldi, who's great by the way, you
know any of these other men who do things nobody
(11:55):
but women. That's what the industry has done to women
for years. Well, the issue that I've always seen is
women in our profession. It's not that they're not united,
it's that they're incredibly divisive towards each other. The cattiness
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and jealousy is a real thing. Like you go by
the makeup room when there's a woman getting her makeup done,
and all it is is a bitch fest about all
the different problems and usually problems with other women. I
find this to be like a fascinating study of human nature.
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I mean, Caitlyn Clark clearly struggling. She's a rookie. I'm
sure there's gonna be some fatigue set in, not just
because she played in a college season that went to
the championship game and there's virtually no break, but also
all these other things that she's done. It's exhausting and
so many she's the focal point of every scatter report
and she's they're breaking her down and she's struggling at
(13:05):
times to be herself. I get it. She's playing against
better competition and they're playing a ton of games and
there's a ton of attention. I have no doubt she's exhausted.
So I'm sure that's going to hurt her play. But man,
and some level, you give credit to the WNBA because
they figured out a way to make themselves relevant when
(13:28):
they've been irrelevant for years. On the other hand, somebody
needs to tell these ladies, hey, just because there's NBA
attached to the w doesn't mean that you're in the NBA.
And everything in this league is like a caricature of
what women believe the NBA is like. It's like you
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crank it up to a notch of like three or four. Right,
do they welcome rookies to the NBA? Sure? Is it
so over the top and right there where no one
like you didn't even like, what are you doing? The
trash talk is the same dude's trash talk, but you
don't see them like stopping and yelling and pointing to
(14:10):
nearly it's overly dramatic. It's more like the WWE than
it is like the NBA. And you know, I believe
that that in many ways, foreign players are like that
as well. Like one of the reasons that foreign players
curse so much is because they're they're modeling what they
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think or they see how guys talk. Yeah, the problem
with that is when they first get when you first
are with an American teammate. American teammates always and I
know this when I was the American teammate, we always
teach you the good curse words, and we always want
to know the curse words. I can tell you curse
words in Hebrew and in Russian, and in Spanish and
(14:55):
in French. I can't speak a look of French Undu twaca, right,
but other that can't. But I can tell you the
cursewords Hebrew. I can't read it. I know a couple phrases,
I know the cursewords. The point is, that's what the
WNBA is. It's a caricature of what they believe the
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NBA is like. And then you ramp it all up
to like a a power of three, if you will.
So the good news is we're still talking about it.
The bad news is it's exhausting and there's not the
payoff of the NBA in the NFL in terms of
the quality of play.
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of Fame football player with an unbelievable resume died at
the age of fifty two, vacationing with his family in Mexico. Ouch.
That's you know, it's one of those things where you
go like, okay again, if your guys brain doesn't work
this way, forgive me, okay, but one I'm just terrible.
(17:15):
You're vacationing with your family and you're fifty two years old,
right like you've finally got into the place in life
where you've made it your set. You get everybody together,
get the whole family together to go down to Mexico,
and I just that's just awful. Right, you're talking about
years of therapy upcoming, because now anytime you can do
a family vacation or like that's what you're thinking of,
anytime you go to Mexico or anytime you know, who
knows was what? I don't know what happened, and I'm
(17:38):
just super sad. On the other hand, you do go like, well,
I mean, maybe he was at least enjoying his last
moments with his family, but God, that's just crushing, crushing
for a giant of a man and a giant of
an athlete to pass away at such a young age.
All right, obviously that's something you hate. That's something that sucks.
(18:00):
But let's kind of recap the weekend from our own
perspective with a little love and hate.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
What did you love?
Speaker 1 (18:08):
God? I love you?
Speaker 3 (18:10):
And what did you hate?
Speaker 1 (18:12):
These? Claire Hay is all right, I'm gonna start, guys.
If you don't mind, okay, but listen. If you don't
love it, speak now and forever hold your peace, okay,
and buyer is my most opinion usually on this one.
So Dan, you can you can hate this it's it's cool.
I came up with our our motto for our team.
(18:36):
You ready walk the walk because you know, like you know,
an expression. You can talk to talk, but you gotta
walk the walk. Just walk the walk. You know, it's like, hey,
there's no purpose in talking about what you're gonna do
or how you're gonna do it, or how good you are.
Just walk the walk. Don't tell me you want to
be an all conference player. Walk come walk, tell me
(18:57):
you want to start walk walk do it? What do
you think, buyer?
Speaker 5 (19:02):
I'm fine with it, you know, I think that those I.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Don't like fine with it. That's not what I'm looking for.
I just I do you think they're cheesy?
Speaker 5 (19:11):
I I think some can be cheesy. I don't think
every team needs one. But I understand you're also trying
to instill a culture, so I get that portion of it.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Yeah, so it's fine.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
But like every year, like.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
If the Patriots, you know, do your job. Oh yeah, yeah,
get it done, you know, like that sort of thing,
like that's you know, after a while, I think you
just probably become numb to it. But I can understand
in your situation of then that's it's pretty good.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Yeah, I would wait.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
We got from fine to pretty good. I'm gonna stay.
I'm just coming to back away now, Dan, what's your
What do you love from the weekend, I'll tell you
what I was.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
I was here for most of the weekend, and I
love that we had some conversations that that have, you know,
caught a little fire, whether it be with Caitlin Clark
but all said, another conversation that I had with Mark
Medina on Saturday, when Mark and I were sitting in
and it struck such a nerve with one Steve Hartman
(20:10):
that he felt the need to talk about what I
said on his show, which I think is the ultimate
compliment if you're you know in this business that you
want people talking about what you said, whether they be
so what was said, and there's even clips of it,
you can see it on Instagram. I just feel that
the Boston Celtics brand is not what everybody thinks it is,
Like the Lakers' brand is the top brand in the NBA.
(20:32):
It's correct something that we've talked about maybe on this
show as well. But to think that the Boston Celtics
are number two, or that this brand sells, they're not
even the top brand in the NBA Finals series right now,
and that was kind of the impetus of it, of
the Dallas Mavericks are actually the team that you want
to watch, and the Boston Celtics really outside of the
one championship, really haven't been that great brand over the
(20:55):
last thirty five to forty years.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
So that was the conversation.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Okay, I mean my pushback would be.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
Oh, there's been plenty of pushback. I just don't agree
with any of the pushback. Steve Hartman was railing on
the Lakers bad years, but that's also a testament to
the brand even in the bad years, if you're still
talking about it. We probably talked about more about the
Lakers coaching search than we have about anything else in
the NBA, including the Eastern Conference playoffs, which included the
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Boston Celtics.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
But that at least partially has to be because Lebron right.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
Correct, which is something the Boston Celtics do not have,
is a superstar player, and they really haven't had any
outside of Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett in two thousand
and eight, since Larry Bird and Kevin McHale and Robert Parrish.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Completely fair so completely fair. Yep, Okay, Jay Stu, what'd
you let in the weekend?
Speaker 3 (21:55):
I need to point out as the arbiter. I think
Dan just won. Dan just won that argument.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
I didn't know there was an argument.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Yeah, oh no, it was very contentious. You had to
you had to get him back for him not loving
your motto, and then you made a point and he
just he just destroyed the whole thing.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
Doug was expecting the worst from me with the motto,
and I actually was. I'm fine with it.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
I wasn't. I wasn't expecting the worst. I just and
I totally get what you mean, Like I don't love
a bunch of different mottos or whatever. I just I like,
I just like that to be the overwhelming theme of
how you carry yourself, you know. And I I and
and some of it is I understand people's perception of
(22:39):
me that I got to talk about it like I'm
just not talk my way out of anything and talk
my way into a job. No, no, no, let me
show you you.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Know see that that what you just said makes a
ton of sense. If you're saying that your team is
going to personify your motto. Yes, you have been the
one talking about this. You've been saying on air that
you think you deserve a head coaching.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
I never said that. I never said once, I deserve.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Oh a shot. I don't know what.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
I never said one. I never I've never said any
of that. I was I love, I would love one.
I never said the word deserve.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Okay, so scratch that. You've been the one talking about
going from broadcast to head church with no experience.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Huh.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
So it is a walk to walk for you personally, sure,
And I always think that walk the walk is always
comes after someone has been talking a lot. So that that.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
I've been talking. I've been talking for twenty one years
in the radio Now Go Show, Now Go Show. I've
been talking about basketball and you know, and what you're
supposed to do, what you're not supposed to do. So
now you have to show people walk the walk.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Yeah, this is a guy speaking of a guy who
walks the walk. Yes, he's I think quickly become maybe
my favorite major leaguer. And that's Tommy Fam. I don't
know if you saw the episode.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Love Tommy FA say again, so you like Tommy Fam?
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Oh no, I love Tommy Fam because he actually says
things out loud that you're not supposed to. I don't
think you're supposed to make like terrorist threats on people
or threatened to beat people up. But he does and
he gets away with it. This is a pretty badass statement,
I will say so for those who didn't catch it.
Tommy Fan plays under the awful White Sox. He was
thrown out at home over the weekend by the Brewers,
(24:23):
and the Brewers is a Willem contraras I think is
his name or its brothers Wilson. I know that, yep.
So Tommy is describing what happened on the play that
resulted in a bench's clearing incident. And Tommy said, you know,
I was thrown out at home, and I look over
it at tough guy contrerass with all of his hurrah
(24:46):
sh and this is where it starts getting cool. This
is what he says to reporters. I never start anything,
but I'll be prepared to finish it. Oh reason why
I do all kinds of fighting in the off season
because I'm prepared to f somebody up. Now, are you
talking about a guy who walks the walk? Yep, Tommy
(25:09):
Fam walks the walk and he talks a good talk.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
That he does, no question about all right, what do
you got for me? Sam?
Speaker 6 (25:21):
The w NBA, more specifically Fever games and Kayln Clark.
It's become pro wrestling in a sense. It's become roller Derby,
and I think I'm here for it.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Roller Derby great reference.
Speaker 6 (25:34):
Yes, okay, we're watching roller what's the point of roller
Derby going around circles? I don't even know, but there's
constantly elbowing and people tripping each other and fighting. And listen,
if we embrace these kinds of things that happened to
Kayln Clark over the weekend are getting hip checked by
Kennedy Carter, then it can hide the fact that she
(25:54):
only scored three points, had her worst game of her career,
and the heat the Fever are terrible. So if we
race this as WWE, it's a little bit of an
entertainment with these little conflicts.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
It's roller Derby.
Speaker 6 (26:06):
I love that because right now we're not tuning in
for quality basketball coming from the Fever.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Nope, well I'm not sure we're tuned in for quality
basketball period from the WNBA, but it does. This is
a lot like the Again, it's a it's like a
cartoon version of the NBA right where we cover the drama,
even in the drama overshadows the fact that sometimes the
product isn't that good. I'm interested, though, Jase, do like
(26:35):
you said you'd give it another what two weeks?
Speaker 7 (26:40):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Remember last week you said you'll give Kitlin another two
weeks to pick it up?
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Do we think we're at minute fourteen?
Speaker 3 (26:48):
I just think that there's two separate conversations, right. I
said that I would give Caitlin Clark two weeks to
prove to me that she's transcendent so I could go
out of my way to watch her on TV. I've
never watched a WNBA game until the season. I've watched
five this season. I'll give her another two weeks to
prove to me that I should keep tuning in. But
(27:09):
by no means I'm not gonna stop following the drama.
I mean, what happened this weekend was must see TV
the commentary. Since then, I think there's been more drama
in the fight over the commentary since Saturday, Like, it's
been amazing content. So don't don't but don't confight the two.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Yeah, it's it's a smart point. You made, very very
smart point.
Speaker 6 (27:30):
And Jason, real quick, you want more of the Kaitlyn
Clark staring down her defender, giving a stink face.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
You want more of that. You want more of that sauce.
Sauce and that's spice after she has done something amazing. Okay,
So we need more of that.
Speaker 6 (27:43):
We need more amazing from Kaylin Clark, and we need
more stare down college.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Like four or five times a game she would do
logo threes and stare down her opponent. I like that stuff,
love it.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Okay, I got, I got one more thing. I'm good
on what I loved. Yeah, I'm good on what I loved.
Let's get to what she hated from the weekend. This
kind of does play into your wheelhouse, Jason, because you
hate everything. Just give me one thing you hated for
the weekend.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Well, it has to do with Kennedy Clark. And I'm
just going to call her chnity because that's how she
spells it. And I'm really annoyed with her parents for
giving her that spelling Chnity Carter Chanity Carter. So all
the drama that happened this weekend, there was one thing
that was lost in it, and I hate that it
was lost in it. It was something that Chnity Carter
(28:36):
had put on her on her I guess you would
say social media. She responded to an instagram was on threads.
I think I know Cred's and it was something along
the lines of the only thing she does is make
three pointers, right, Isn't that something like that, like, uh,
that's all she does? Good or something like that. If
(29:00):
I'm a recommissioner of the WNBA, I pull Shennity into
her into the office and I said, Chnnity, we need
Caitlin Cark to succeed to pay all these debts that
we have. You can't be saying the only thing she
does is make three pointers like that is the most
(29:22):
short sighted thing done or said this past weekend. I
don't care about the play on Saturday, I don't care
about everything that's happened since then. But one of your
players is saying the only thing she does is make
threes when she has literally taken the league to another
level of profile. To me that that was lost in
the entire thing.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
What about you? Dan Byer sent me you hate it
for the weekend.
Speaker 5 (29:48):
You know, it's kind of an overall sort of thing,
and it goes in line with the PGA Tour and
Live Golf. With a lot of the changes to the schedule,
there were certain tournaments that you always we're used to
having at a certain time. Well, the Memorial was usually
the week after Memorial Day weekend and it worked out well,
but because of changes maybe calendar, we've got the Memorial
(30:10):
this week. It's a signature event, so the top players
will be there at Jack's tournament, but it's usually about
two weeks out from the US Open, and the US
Open is next week, and I just kind of like
having as great as the Canadian Open was, the Canadian
Open has been moved all over the PGA Tour schedule.
I kind of missed the Memorial this past weekend. I
loved the US Women's Open, even though there wasn't a
(30:33):
lot of drama yesterday, but just the fact of the
sports calendar, and again going back to golf, we've got
the Memorial this week, and I think that it loses
a little bit of its height because the US Open
will be coming up next week. I always like Jack's
Tournament always translates beautifully on TV, lush and green, but yeah,
I didn't like that this past weekend.
Speaker 6 (30:55):
Sammy I'm going to co sign on Jason's point Kennedy
Carter's threads post, But I'm actually it's not that she
shouldn't say that. I just think it's factually incorrect. I mean,
if anything, Caitlyn Clark is not shooting her signature three
pointer well this season at all, so she's really filling
up the stat sheet in other ways. I mean, she's
(31:16):
averaging five rebounds over five rebounds, almost six and a half, assists,
a couple of steals, couples of blocks, So she's filling
up the stat sheet. That's not she doesn't just shoot threes.
She shoots threes, and she's not even doing it that well.
So I don't I hate the fact that she said
that because it is factually incorrect. She's making her imprint
on the game in other ways.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Okay. I also think it's funny that they lost that
she's running her mouth and they lost. I don't care
about that, Like, you lost to arguably the worst team
or second worst team in the WNBA. You you did
lose that game, right, I don't that one.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Strikes Mystics have a win yet, No they do not.
They're O to eight. The Washington Mystics are the worst
team in the WNBA.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
So the Second Warstars they have two wins. I hate
my team in baseball. I just I can't. I So
here's the thing I'm trying to I'm trying to switch
over and do be for National League. I'm gonna be
a Brewers guy, and they're good. But it does it
(32:15):
feels kind of icky, right, like to hop on board
because you move in the area and you're living in
Green Bay and I love Yeah, you know, Brian Anderson
and Jeff Leverick are great dudes. They're they're broadcasters, radio
and TV good friends. And I frankly grew up a
Brewers fan, born in Milwaukee, and I used to watch
those teams and when we moved away. But it does
(32:37):
feel weird, kind of parachute, you know. Winter The balance
of it is like I was. I went to a
lid story yesterday and I was looking for a Brewer's
hat and there's a bunch of Angels hats and I
just couldn't do it, Like I don't want to. I
can't stare so bad, like the A's are better than them.
(32:58):
How's that possible? The A's have five people of their
home games. They have no desire to win, and the
A's are better than the end. And I know Mike
Trout's out, but Mike good Oh, just I hate baseball.
I hate my team.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
We saw what you bought, Doug. You got a new
Packers hat, didn't you?
Speaker 1 (33:14):
I did get a new Packers That thing is sweet?
Yeah it was. It was a tough call there. I
felt like, here's what I feel like. The what are
the ones called that have the the hat sizes of
fixed or fitted fitted? The fitted ones? I think you
can only do the fitted for major League baseball hats. Buyer,
(33:35):
What do you think there? Does that make sense? Like
it's like snap bax. I think you can do for
any other hat, but a fitted hat is a baseball hat,
and you should do a baseball true baseball specific hat.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
I do have. I do have one fitted NFL hat,
but it's like a flex fit but it flex fits
cool and like the Major League Baseball hats, it has
the NFL logo on the back. Yeah, it's just a
seahawk you know hat. That's all it is. But yeah,
I'm pretty much in line with it.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Yeah that they hit you ate my team? Too? Good?
Speaker 3 (34:07):
No, No, like I don't even want.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Like I every day, I mean, like every night, I
go and I read and I watch the box scores,
and I'm like looking, I'm like, there's just there's just
no hope. So I'm I I want to switch to
be an Orioles fan. I just do. I mean, I
know I shouldn't do it because that's against everything that
I say that you're supposed to do as a sports fan.
(34:30):
You gotta stick with your team. But I hate my team.
They're so bad. There's no hope for them to be
good at any point in the future. That's love and hate.
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(35:15):
have him on my show. He's the one only Double
D Dan Dakich. You can see his show on OutKick.
It's called Don't at Me Monday through Friday, nine am
to eleven am Eastern time. Of course, he was a
longtime college basketball analyst, and before that he was a
head coach at to Indiana at Bowling Green, of course,
at West Virginia for a very short stint, and then
(35:35):
a longtime college basketball analyst on ESPN and Double D
joints us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show. I have
my own kind of thoughts and maybe hypotheses as to
what has caused the WNBA to be so negative in
how in their approach of Kaitlin Clark. What are your thoughts, Dan,
(35:56):
You're in Indy.
Speaker 7 (35:58):
You're a much deeper thinker. And by the way, congrats
on the new gig man, that's going to be fun
to watch. I've become a scenic fan and I'm really
looking forward to it. And you get to control of
the national narrative on you because you got your show.
So good for you, man, Yeah, it's perfect. My thoughts
are what my wife told me. My wife coached for years,
(36:19):
was an All American player, took Toledo to the College
World Series, was an Olympic alternate, winning his coach at
Bowling Green, winning his coach at Syracuse. And she said, look,
you got to understand women are always going to try
to tear other women down in sports. They just do.
And she's dealt with it her whole life. She understands it.
And I see a lot of that. I see women
(36:39):
trying to tear women down. I see jealousy, I see
insecurity people may seem race, But I defer in these
instances to my wife, And when she said that, and
I put it on Twitter, pointed, I have a number
of women that have been at athletics reach out to
her and to me saying, you are so right. Obviously,
(37:01):
Kate and Caitlyn Clark has touched a nerve in the
nation with her play. Her style is something that we
can all relate to. It's different. A lot of people
race batis have made it to a black white, a
sex you know, straight lesbian thing. Yeah, maybe that all
factors in, but my wife's saying what she said to
me really hit a chord with me. Women cannot stand
(37:24):
to see other women be successful and they will to
turn them.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Down and thank you, Thank you. Listen, we had this conversation,
and you and I have both we worked at the ESPN, right,
and then I've worked at CBS and at Fox. At CBS,
I would say, I don't think that's the case. I
actually want to really give give credit to CBS because
CBS was different. It's a much smaller shop. But really
(37:48):
felt like it was it was it was different. I mean,
Tracy is a really sweetheart. And of course Ali LaForce
and Dana Jacobson, I know she's doing news now. It
was different. But at ESPN and Fox, I can tell
you unequivocally, okay, that the way women talk about, treat
and are caddy about other women in the same field.
(38:09):
And the crazy part about it is, and here's the
similarities being broadcasting and women's professional basketball is like like
there's a fight for relevancy and legitimacy, right, and so
why wouldn't they be all in it together? And yet
they tear each other apart, Like it's crazy what happens
(38:30):
in the broadcast world. I know you've seen it as well.
Speaker 7 (38:33):
Oh man, he is Penn. I've been told right now,
at worst it's ever been, you know, in the makeup
room and the air deal. I've been told by people
still there. You and I both have friends there, that
this is a complete blank show. Yeah, I mean, you know,
instead of just doing the job, people want to I guess,
get cloud progress their career. And that's cool. Hey, look
(38:55):
I get it, but I would argue that ultimately that
short lived. Now, maybe it works for a while, but
you are so right, Doug. In the broadcast world, oh
the cattiness, the talking to and you know what, I'll
say you this, that's men too. I mean, men do
it the same. In the broadcast world.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
They to say.
Speaker 7 (39:15):
No, no, no, no, no no. I agree, it's not the same,
but I still think they do it. Sports is a
little bit different because it's so performance based. I'm gonna
ask you something you don't have liked. You know what.
I would have liked to see that Carter girl do
instead of act like a complete moron in the press
conference after and the girl Cardoza's doing her hair, they're
too they're acting like two complete idiots. I would have
(39:38):
loved to see that Carter girl say, hey, you know what,
I don't like Caitlin Clark. I don't like her. Yeah,
I did something that I shouldn't have done. I knocked
her on her backside when I shouldn't have. But I
just don't like her. I don't like the publicity she's getting.
I think she talks a lot of trash. I don't
think she's deserving and I don't like her. And if
you have a problem with what I did, I don't
blame you. I would have loved you have seen that.
(40:00):
So at least you know what Caitlin Clark, I'm sure
does rub the women the wrong way by what she's saying.
Of course, it rubs people the wrong way. What she's getting,
you know, it's like those old white golfers when Tiger Woods,
you know, got all the stuff from Nike and got
all the attention. They're saying, well, let's see what he
does on the course, And well, he did it on
the course, and Kaitlin Clark's doing it on the course.
(40:23):
I wish they'd just come out and be honest. Look,
I don't like her as opposed to trying to do
whatever it is that they're trying to do.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
It's it's really interesting. The other part to it is like,
this is the first time. Why do you think that
there are so many either women in the WNBA or
people that cover the WNBA that are so bothered by
the fact that nobody paid attention to the league for
the first twenty five years.
Speaker 7 (40:53):
Well, I think this is like, you know, a defense
mechanism and insecurity. See we've been doing this for twenty
five years. No you haven't, No, you haven't. And as
great as some of these players have been, none of
them are interesting. None of them captured the imagination. I mean, look,
Brittany Grinder is unlikable, Diana Trossi is unlikable. You can
(41:13):
say whatever you like, but they are. And all of
a sudden, here comes a woman in Caitlin Clark that
plays in a way that I think the way she
plays hit perfect. You know, Steph Curry shooting threes became
okay for everybody shoot deep threes. All of a sudden,
here comes somebody that just captured it. And I would
argue that if somebody played like Caitlin Clark, with the
(41:35):
edge that Caitlin Clark had and played for Iowa, not Yukon,
or not South Carolina, I think they might have captured
Whether she was white, black, straight, lesbian, whatever, but all
those things hit for Caitlin Clark, and you know what,
the insecurity comes out in the media, like the woman
today on with stephen A. Smith. I forget her name,
(41:56):
but she telling stephen A.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Smith.
Speaker 7 (41:58):
You could have been talking about this three years ago. No, Doug,
you hosted the show on ESPN. Play the hits. ESPN
is going to talk about Lebron, They're going to talk
about Brett Farr back in the day. They're good. Play
the damn hits and the hits three years ago, two
years ago, even a year ago, had absolutely nothing to do. Doug.
I'll end with this. I've done radio shows in any
(42:21):
for fifteen years. I took one year off last year
on a non compete. The year previous to that, the
fever played. I did not mention the fever one time.
Got to the end of the season and my producer goes,
you know, hey, Dan, we haven't even said the word fever. Right.
They're terrible, They're uninteresting now they're not. So these folks
need to get over it. The WNBA players need to
(42:43):
figure out if you don't like her, say it, let's
get something good going here, not something stupid like knocking
somebody out of bounds when they don't have a ball.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Dan Docs joining us here on the Doug Gottlip Show.
You can you can see his show Don't at Me
on OutKick to eleven am Eastern Time, every day, Monday
through Friday. All right. In regards to the actual league,
the NBA, what do you think you'll find?
Speaker 7 (43:14):
Oh man, I'm Serbian, Lucas Serbian. I'm supposed to love Luca,
but I can't stand the way he plays and then
he hits the big shot. I don't learn something about him.
And I've always really liked Kyrie Irving. To me, Kyrie
Irving is the closest thing Isaiah Thomas that I have seen.
And I'll say this, I watched every minute of every
(43:34):
Pacer game against Boston, and some of it from about
the third row. I was lucky enough to get seats close.
If Boston gives the opportunities to Dallas that they gave
to Indiana, they're gonna get beat and Boston, you know,
I think is the smartest basketball team that I may
have ever seen. I mean this, Derek White, l Horford
(43:54):
and Drew Holiday are like basketball savants. Dog. I couldn't
stop watching Al Hardford direct players on defense offense and
this Derek White, he makes every play. But if they
give the opportunity, and I don't think they will, I
think they'll be a little tighter. If they give the
same opportunities to Dallas, they're gonna get beaten six. I
(44:17):
think Boston's really good. I think Boston's really smarter. I
think Boston will figure out a way. But I love
this final. I don't know if it's sexy. I don't
know if it's not, but I love this final. And
everybody that bad mouths Kyrie Irving, good for you, man.
I mean, I know they're this flatin all that stupid stuff.
With that boy that ball. That man can ball, I
mean ball, big time ball. And I can't wait to
(44:39):
see it because I love him. I saw him four
years ago kill I mean kill the Pacers here in
a sweep with Boston, and I'm looking forward to seeing
what he can do against Boston. It's going to be fun,
a lot of storylines.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
Steug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the
voice of the one and only do WD Dan Dockets,
Danie're the best man. I wish you could bring some
opinions and some energy next time.
Speaker 7 (45:02):
Hey, congrats again, my friend. Good luck.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
You told me I was I told you it was
like a year ago. I think it was a year ago.
Right when I didn't get the job, you were like
you sure you want to do this? Like yeah, And
you asked me why, and I gave you the reasons why.
You're like, all right, man, well then i'll you should go.
Then then do it when you want to do it.
I finally got a shot to do it.
Speaker 7 (45:25):
Yeah, finally someone was smart enough to hire you. Man,
Now you got to go live in the cold. I
assume I assume you're not assuming coaching. I assume you're no.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
We will, We'll be there, We'll be there. The question
when are you coming up?
Speaker 7 (45:39):
I am coming. I want to see I like that place.
I got my brains beat out there twice, but I
don't mind it. We want a couple there too, So yeah,
I want to go. I want to see your team.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
Congrats, you're you're you and you and your bride are
welcome anytime. Thanks Dan, Thanks joining me.
Speaker 7 (45:52):
Thanks
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