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mind should be mugman. There are a lot of things
that are interesting to get to in the world of sports,
including Rich Paul trying to sell us on this idea
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that Bronnie James, if he was anyone, any other name,
client would he'd somehow be manipulating the draft or trying
to the way he did does. That's gonna be fascinating.
The NBA Draft upcoming next week. So there's this lull
here now in sports. But the big news of the
day is Monny Williams is fired and he's supposedly owed
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sixty five million dollars. Now, now there's a question, and
we'll ask Mark Medina whether or not there's offset, And
maybe the question becomes as much as we all think,
we all think that JJ Reddick is going to become
the Lakers coach, will he become the Lakers coach? That
would it be Monney Willams or would Monty Williams join
him as an assistant? But the bigger thing is, you know,
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when your personal story is so powerful, it very much
skews how we look at your professional story right whereas
there really should be some form of separation of church
in state. Monnie Williams, of course, suffered a tragedy beyond
all measure when his wife was killed somebody I believe
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driving the wrong way in Oklahoma when he was an
assistant with the Oklahoma City Thunder like a supreme amount
of tragedy. And he is a very very religious guy.
And being a guy who played at Notre Dame and
I played after him at at nd Okay and money.
I don't know how many people know this. He missed
a year and a half with with a heart issue,
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and this was in the in the days and years
following Hank Gatherers tragically dying same era in college basketball,
and so he had a heart issue and it didn't
end up holding him back from having a very good
NBA career. But Monei Wents was fired and had barely
been on the job obviously, and paid sixty five million dollars.
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And what happens when a story like this goes is now,
obviously being a coach. Coaches always say, man, great job,
terrible profession. But is it this kind of goes hand
in hand with Willie Mays dying. You know, when Willie
Mays dies, people say, oh, gone too soon? Is it?
I'm not saying it's not incredibly sad that Willy Mays
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is no longer of this earth. But ninety three years
is We're good? You hit the over, right, ninety three
years on this planet, you hit the over. And as
much as Monty Williams hadn't hit the over in terms
of how long he was a coach of the Detroit Pistons,
it's also fair to say that, hey, if you want
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to pay me sixty five million dollars, not coach anymore?
After getting I think twenty million dollars is not coach.
Anymore with the Phoenix Suns, we can call it good.
Is it really a tragedy if a fifty two year
old gets fired after just one season on the job.
I don't think the answer is yes. I don't think
that's being callous, that's just being sort of matter of fact,
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if you will, just a matter of fact. They lost
twenty eight consecutive games, twenty eight. But I think more
than anything, it was two other factors. One his inability
or lack of desire to play some of the younger
players and developed them. And then two they hired a
new boss. And we see this in coaching obviously in
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college it's your athletic director, of your president, new athletic director,
new president. Oftentimes new leadership with the head coach in football, basketball,
and in your job, in my job, if our leadership changes,
there's a question as to whether or not it will
stay around. People want to bring in people that they've
worked with before, that they know, they know how they work.
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Trajan Langdon is a dukie. He's been around this league.
He has not worked with Monty Williams. He takes over
as president. What did you expect to have happened? Especially
when they lose twenty eight consecutive games. They went over
the month of November over And while he rightfully got
credit for resurrecting the Phoenix Suns, which really started during COVID,
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remember there were some run ins with DeAndre and other players,
and eventually he was ousted and he was fired just
one season into a multi year extension, like he was
fired just one season into a six year contract. The
point is that while I feel incredible sympathy and empathy
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for what Moni Walliams went through personally, and no one
wants to move the whole coaching staff around and change
and it's bad, But sixty five million, I just don't feel.
I don't feel that sad. Just like to a completely
different sort of sense, Willie Mays was ninety three years old.
He was an absolute legend my late father. When you
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talk about Willie Mays, his entire body would light up
because he was such a magical personality and baseball player.
But ninety three years old is a good life. So
is sixty five million dollars plus twenty million dollars you
got to walk away from the Phoenix Suns. It's a
good life. Buyer, Am I looking? Am I? Too callous
the way I'm looking at this.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
No business is business.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Yeah, I mean, look, I don't like firing a coach
one year in What do you get sixty five million dollars?
You want to pay somebody sixty five million dollars to
not coach anymore? Most people say, I'll take.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
That checked, I'll do it, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Okay. So here's the question I asked. I asked my
guys this question. Today. You get sixty five million dollars,
which and everybody's like, well, what a bit of up
for Texas? Okay, fine, it's forty million dollars. What do
you do? What do you do tomorrow?
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Even if it's just thirty Well, I would probably finish
the week here at Fox Sports Radio. I don't know
if i'd be back the next stree.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
You got paid. You got paid thirty million dollars after
taxes to not work sure at Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Yeah, I would probably, oh yeah, oh yeah, I would. Gosh,
I'd probably try to buy a golf course. That's probably
what I would do.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Go home to Lisa. That's a good that's going. You
go home to Lisa and you're like, hey, babe, good news,
bad news, what's the bad news? Got fired? What's the
good news? Got sixty five million dollars? Like? I don't
even know how that feels that that if that's wait
are you delivering? Is that bad news? Is that? Is
that good? Is that doubly good? How does that work?
Speaker 3 (07:06):
H I it's I think it's great news.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
It's one of.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Those where the bad news is just pales in comparison
to the awesome news that you're about to just drop.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Jason Stewart, you get you get paid sixty five million
dollars to not show up at work ever again at
Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
What do you do?
Speaker 4 (07:24):
That's my bank roll? I play poker for a living.
I've been looking for a bankroll to play poker for
a living and to go in the circuit and play
all the tournaments. And that would be a nice start.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Sam.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
I think I'm sleeping in first and then get up
whenever in what I mean, I don't know, you're ma
too anxious. Yeah, but whenever I do wake up, I'm
probably gonna give you know, Merrill Lynch a call.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
It's a wise move.
Speaker 6 (07:53):
Sound get that money?
Speaker 7 (07:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Bread out talking about.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
He's too young to remember? You have Hutton when you
have and.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Speaks polar opposites. Sam's calling a financial advisor. Jason's bankrolled
is gambling future.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
That money's going into a mattress first, and then yeah,
would do the porfocible.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
You know, you put ojay. I would say that, you know,
if you can make ten percent for the rest of
your life on thirty five forty million dollars, you can
have a whole hell of a lot of fun. Nah
just did you can play poker based upon just the interest.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
It just don't be like the executive with the Jaguars,
you know, just try to spend that a little more wisely.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
What's see, who's the executive with the Jaguars? Uh?
Speaker 2 (08:36):
That was the guy that spent the twenty two mil.
Is that what you're talking about?
Speaker 5 (08:39):
H like bad bets, but he just he didn't even
try to manipulate his his daily fantasy lineups. He just
like threw money at him and they just lost money handed.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
For how much do you is? Twenty million or something?
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Oh?
Speaker 8 (08:50):
Yeah, twenty two million something like that.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yeah, I don't know. I think I would do the
financial advisor to do thing. I would definitely buy a property.
I would bribe a couple of proper, you know, just
buy a couple properties that I want to go live at,
and I think I would just go about my day.
I don't know, it's pretty good. Like you're fifty five
and you got untold sums of money and you just
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live on the interest for a while, and when you
buy stuff, you want to buy stuff, I mean, think
about it and then in the here's always been my question,
if you have that much money, how much do you
keep in your checking account? And do you check it
when you go to the ATM? Like anybody who's ever
done this, I used to do it. I remember my
first job at ESPN. I used to not get direct
deposit forever, and then they're like, why don't you get
direct deposit? Well, because I actually like picking up a
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check and seeing like that's a good check. It you
feel like you accomplished something, you know, And I used
to always keep it, like for a long time, I
kept it in checking so that when run the ATM,
you're like, ooh, there's a couple of zeros there. That's
really fun. I do wonder if you have eighty million,
you know, in cash in the bank, do you keep
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it in checking just for the giggles of looking at
it every time on the ATM.
Speaker 8 (10:01):
I would not I'd keep a six figures in checking account.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
You have to rotate your phone to see the balance.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
That's awesome, that's awesome.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Will I will say this about the Pistons. Do we
even want to bring it back to the Pistons?
Speaker 1 (10:19):
I guess, yeah, sure, it's part of the story.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Yeah, yeah, there is a point as we're sitting there
talking about this for you know, this money that Monty
Williams is going to get, that ownership is obviously going
to have to pay, which you know, Tom Gores probably
doesn't care about if he, you know, allowed the move
to happen. But like what poor planning to just and
I understand that Trajan Langdon is coming in and taking
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over the front office. But a year ago, like you
couldn't envision that. Maybe you wanted to make a change,
you wanted to have somebody oversee something, and like your
your commitment a year ago was like all right, this
is the time we buckled down and we make a commitment.
And then you so you do it with the head coach.
You didn't do it with Troy Weaver. You didn't you know,
you're like, but mighty Williams is our guy. And then
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to obviously make a change, which isn't the direct change
of firing Williams after one season immediately, but you bring
in somebody new who wants to fire him, just as like,
I mean, if you're a Pistons fan, like, it's just
like what last year was just a complete waste of time,
that's all.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
It was.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Not only that, like you didn't even land any lottery
picks in a bad draft.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Like just a complete waste of a year. If you
were a Pistons.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Fan, I just can you. I just can't even fathom
what it would be like to lose twenty eight consecutive games,
you know, Yeah, I just I can't possibly fathom it,
not at all. And look it was. It was two
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thousand and nineteen. They finished forty one up, forty one down.
Don Ksey was his first year as coach. Remember Stan
Van Gunn he was coach there. They made the playoffs once.
The last time they won fifty games, it was when
Flip Saunders was the coach. They won fifty nine games.
That was in two thousand and eight. I mean, think
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about that, we're working on sixteen years of futility. They
had one year under a stand band where they finished
above five hundred and forty four and thirty eight. One
year since two thousand and eight they finished above five hundred.
That is absolutely nuts. That is absolutely nuts. So yeah,
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I mean poor planning. No one goes to that arena
they built it, Like does anybody know they built a
brand new arena and that no one goes to it.
It's just it's the deadest franchise I think right now
in the NBA. I'm trying to I'm trying to see
and it's not just because of this year. It's because
they've become completely irrelevant.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
I called the Washington Wizards the Siberia of the NBA.
Is are the pistons and worst shape than the Wizards?
Speaker 1 (13:07):
I think? So, I think, so what do you think Byer?
Speaker 2 (13:13):
I would go with the Wizards? I just I mean
they you know.
Speaker 6 (13:18):
Being most more or less relevant, less.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Relevant because they don't have they don't have the history. Yes,
they don't have the recent history erect because the Wizard
has finished above five hundred and twenty seventeen. They actually
furnished in first in their division, you know, with Scotti Brooks.
They the first two years of Scotty Brooks, they went
to the playoffs. Scotty had them in the playoffs three other
five years. Randy Whitman had in the playoffs two of
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the four years. By the way, they also they employed
Flip Saunders as well. But they haven't had a fifty
They had a forty nine win season in twenty seventeen.
They haven't had a fifty win season. Oh my gosh,
well teen seventy nine.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
I think that we could do a pretty good job
in naming five Pistons, you know, from the team twenty
years ago that won an NBA title. I'd be hard
pressed for us to over the last twenty years name
five popular Washington Wizards that even includes Michael Jordan.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
You know.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
I mean when I think of that, I think of
you know, obviously John Wall, Bradley Beal, I think of that.
I think of the Chris Weber, Juwan Howard Days, and
then Michael Jordan.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
That's what I think of.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
And I'm sure I'm missing somebody that's obvious, but that's
who I think.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Of when I think of the Washington Wizards.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
What are you gonna say?
Speaker 5 (14:46):
There's Sam, I have a question for all you guys,
I want to know, I have a one team in mind,
but who is the most irrelevant sad franchise in all
of sports?
Speaker 8 (14:55):
I have a team in mind.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
I mean the A's.
Speaker 5 (14:59):
Yes, yep, yeah, the the A's are going to be
playing in a minor league ballpark next year.
Speaker 8 (15:05):
They're the most sad and irrelevant franchise in all of sports.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
There is a point of I don't know if they're
that irrelevant though, Salmon and I'll push back on it.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
Vegas thing makes them a little more relevant, but there
still does going to Vegas, but that's still what.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
No, no, no, moneyball makes them relevant. And they have been,
you know, the last five years have been, you have
been really you know, disastrous.
Speaker 6 (15:28):
They actually made the playoffs like three years yes, was
it twenty I thought it was twenty Yeah, at twenty
nineteen maybe, yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
But still five years ago.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
Yeah, it's five years ago. But like look at their attendants.
They're they're a team without really a home. They're going
to play in a minor league ballpark next year.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Yeah, I mean, but like like the minor league ballpark
we get did the same thing with the Chargers when
they moved as well, they played you know in a
soccer stadium that that that they didn't sell out and
see thirty thousand people.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
It reminds me of a saying that I had to
look up to make sure that I got it correct.
Of the opposite of love is not hate but indifference.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Yes, and the really good that you whip that into
radio show by.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
The way, well, and I think it fits because the
A's have actively tried to not win, you know, which
has made their fans hate their ownership.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
So there's like hate there. Like for a long.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Time, I just felt the Tennessee Titans were so irrelevant
in the NFL because they were just there, like there
was there wasn't any great player, they would be nine
and seven, they would be whatever, Like it was just
they were there. It wasn't that they were the worst
the team in the AFC south of the worst team
in the NFL. They were just there and it didn't matter.
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And so that's where I feel like when you're talking
about irrelevant, like you almost it's not even of being bad,
it's just like, are you there and nobody nobody cares?
Brooklyn Nets Maybe, I mean, geez, you're not even first
in your own city.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Completely irrelevant oh.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
I don't think the Brooklynuts are irrelevant though, I mean,
I mean and to the level of the A's or
to the level of like the Detroit Pistons. I have
not thought of. The only reason I know anything about
the Detroit business is at Kate Cunningham's on the team.
That's it. That's it. I you know, I couldn't tell
you who else is on the They have one of
they got one of they drafted one of the twins.
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I'm not sure which one.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
From Thompson Twins.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Yes, But other than that, I don't know anything other
than they lost twenty eight con.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Section Jade and IV. Yeah, not anyway pro.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
You know, and they've did. They've made mistake after mistake
after mistake. But that is absolutely fascinating. It's a great question.
Who is the most irrelevant team in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
I'd put the Arizona Cardinals in that conversation.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
They made the playoffs two years ago.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
I would actually just argue that they have Kyler Murray,
who we do talk about.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
But they I mean, they had them JJ Watt at
the end. They tried the retirement plan of some of
those guys as well. Jacksonville had been irrelevant for so long,
and then of course they want a playoff game. And
and I think they had some relevance when they you know,
you have disastrous higher but they did hire you know,
Urban Meyer, and that made them at least relevant, even
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if it was an embarrassing fashion.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
I think Jacksonville is easy because we always they're kind
of the punching bag. But I mean they do have
name players that we know.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Yeah, well, that's that's the power of the NFL is
that they're they're able to kind of cycle through these
teams to it We're all have some form of relevance
within a five year span, whereas the NBA does not,
Major League Baseball does not. What about the Detroit Tigers?
Are they in that I haven't I don't remember. I
don't know anything about the Detroit Tigers in any recent history.
And this is that's a franchise that if you go
back to I don't know, Mike twenty thirteen or so,
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maybe maybe before that, they had an unbelievable list talented players.
But I'm not sure I could name a Detroit Tiger
right now, Sam, can you can you name a Detroit Tiger?
Speaker 8 (19:11):
Did he just retire? Is it a Bray You that's
you're wrong, incorrect. Who am I thinking.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Jose A braw who was released by the Astros.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
You're thinking of Miguel Cabrera.
Speaker 8 (19:22):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
That just shows you that I was not even certain
about who I was talking about on the On the Tigers.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Yeah, they're their best players. Best hitter is Riley Green.
Speaker 8 (19:32):
Tigers have been irrelevant for a long time.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Yeah, yeah, that is amazing.
Speaker 9 (19:37):
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Speaker 1 (19:40):
Sports Radio, Stut Gottlib Show, Fox Sports Radio, Stug Gotlib
Show here on Fox Sports Radio. T Jay Whoshman Zada
joins us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox
Sports Radio. Who's good to catch up with the Trevor
Lawrence's new deal. What do you think.
Speaker 7 (20:02):
The way the market is, it's almost as if you
better do it now and you do it later, you
know it's gonna be greater. And so the way the
quarterback are getting paid, it doesn't matter if you're better
than the next guy. I'm next, and so I'll leapfrog everybody.
But Trevor Lawrence has had a pretty good start to
his career. Now he's gonna have to step it up
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and lead Jackson little further than they ever been. Lado
generational talent coming in the best quarterback prospect in years.
That that what was said about him, and so he's
gonna have to play up and live up to that
high band that contract.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Let's let's go to division. You know, well that AFC North.
This is from NBC Sports Chicago of one of their
reporters that Justin Fields apparently been struggling, that Russell Wilson
did nothing through twelve practices or even slightly indicate he
could lose the quarterback competition to Justin Fields. That's because
Justin Fields looks like he really can't can't play. You know,
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what do you think about Justin Field's and the likely
that he resurrects his career right way?
Speaker 7 (21:08):
Who released this reporter? Reporter out of Chicago. Yes, so
he's still better? Huh what did Justin Phils do to him?
I mean, I would have preferred that if it's going
to come come out, come out from a reporter that's
in Pittsburgh, that's at every practice or is it here
say did another reporter tell him this? You never know, man,
There are certain players that Marvin Lewis will say, there
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are all pro practice players, and so maybe he's just
not a great practice player, maybe the information is wrong,
whatever it is going to be, we all know that
if Justin Fields gets an opportunity and he doesn't take
advantage of it, he will be out of the league
or he'll be a career backup. And so we know
what the stakes are for him, and it's going to
be up to him to kind of dictate and control
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how that goes. Now, if Russell Wilson's playing well, this
is all the move points. If Russell Wilson does not
play well and Justin Field get that opportunity, it's on
him to take to take advantage of it and do
the most with it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Sorry, I just want to corrack myself. It was a report.
It was on NBC Sports Chicago, but it was Mark
Kobaloi uh cabally excuse me, who's actually a Steelers beat writer?
Beat beat?
Speaker 7 (22:18):
Oh yeah good, the beat writers. I mean, you're not
playing well and not playing well, you're not practicing well,
and that's okay. You just can't continue to do that
come training camp. And so hopefully as we speak, he's
working on these things. He's working on is a problems
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that he needs to fix well whatever it may be.
And that's what June and July is for. Before you
had to camp the fine tune my game and hopefully
that's what he's doing.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
You know. It's interesting, and yeah, I haven't talked to
you so that since I got the coaching job here
at Green Bakrap.
Speaker 7 (22:57):
By the way, man, congratulations.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Thank you. What you find is when guys transfer okay,
and especially from a higher level, and the expectations for
so many are when they come down a level, is
that there or you know, even the NFL, you switch
teams in that they'll somehow kind of resurrect themselves, fix
themselves somebody. But when a guy has a bad run
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and people around him don't have confidence in him, it
is really hard to rebuild that confidence. It is really hard.
We had a great kind of discussion. We're talking about
guys that went to programs and they're really tremendous players,
but it just didn't fit. And what happens is you
lose self confidence. It's hard to get it back, like
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it just is. And it's not that you don't have
the talent there, it's just a mentality switch. That you
just it's very difficult to make.
Speaker 7 (23:48):
Oh yeah, man, anytime you get banned, to lose your spot,
you get traded. Somebody doesn't believe in you. And so
the best players you use that as motivation. Man. That's
the thing is, let me use this as motivation so
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that I'm not trying to prove you wrong. I got
to prove myself right. And oh, he's really You know
this from being an athlete, man, there is no substitute
for hard work, shomple, how are you going to do this?
You're going to work your ass off. That's how the
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best players are the best players because they work harder
than everybody. Now, there's some dudes like Lebron they're just
physically they're just born. They're born with great talent, God
bless them. But you still have to work at it
and so you can be what you want to be.
You got to go put the work in, man, And
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sometimes that work isn't easy. You got to look yourself
in the mirror and say this is what I suck at,
and I'm going to attack it to be better. And
if you're not willing to do it, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Steug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports RADED. That's the
voice of TJ. Whoshman Zada Whosh. I'm I'm fascinated in
a couple of of of the wide receiver combinations. Like
you look at the rams and you know you add
last year you have an unbelievable rookie season. But again,
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now you have two weapons. How does that all work
together when they're all healthy.
Speaker 7 (25:32):
It's gonna be interesting. It's gonna be an interesting, interesting
dynamic for mcgrade to navigate because Cooper Cup when he
went down, that's when Pooka started to make a name
for himself, right, And you feed both of them and
get them enough charges to where both are happy, they're content,
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they're satisfied, and as an offense, being successful, are you
moving a ball, you score on points? That's that's gonna
be the key now. And we saw it towards the
end of the season where it'd be one game Pooper
would have a good one, oh, and then Cooper would
have a good one. And so will it be one
of those things or can they both get off in
the same game. That's gonna be an interesting dynamic. McVeigh
(26:16):
has shown he can do it. It's just a matter
of can you do it and win at the level
you want to win at.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
It's a great question. Same build, our same stadium, but
kind of interesting. What the Chargers are doing right feels
pretty obvious they're doing you know, the Ravens offense. They're
going to run the football, and it does feel on
some level like maybe not the name talentent wide receiver,
but what kind of year does that mean for Justin Herbert.
(26:46):
Sure they'll be able to run it, they'll have better protection,
but does he have the weapons so that he can
throw the football?
Speaker 7 (26:54):
That's that's the question that we all like to answer
us some time with the charges. I was able to
spend some time Harbor inviting me now went to a
few practices. Qwn Johnson can play. He can play. It's
a matter of mentally does he believe that. Can he
put last year behind him? Will Lad McConkey come in
(27:19):
and make a difference, Josh Palmer, But the biggest thing
that Harball is just that dude man like sitting in
the meetings and listening to him and being on the field.
Would he he is just He's a great coach man,
and so I have no doubt in my mind he's
going to find a way to make it work. I mean,
he's been successful everywhere he's been, and after being around him,
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I see why. The way he talks to guys, the
way he treats them, the way he encourages them. I
wasn't expecting that. Just certain things you just see being
around them, and the belief just this off season in
the way he was talking to Herbert and Derwin James
(28:05):
and putting so much confidence in him and their abilities,
and that's gonna rub off on the teammates. And so
there's no secret he's had his success, but I was
able to see why, and so he's gonna find a
way to make the Chargers in that organization cattle fult
to another level.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Tjo just beside is our guest here on the Doug
Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, help me out
with with Jordan Love. I mean, there was there were
three or four weeks where you're like, h three or
four She's like three or four weeks, You're like, Wow,
this dude is a dude. And then a lot kind
of in the middle. Did have a big lead against
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the Niners, but couldn't put him away. The next time
around a lot more difficult. What are your expectations are
for Jordan Love.
Speaker 7 (28:58):
I think Jordan Love to kind of pick up where
left off. I really do you look at that receiving
core and you say they can go three four deep
in each game. One of those three or four guys
that this Romeo dives is Christian Washston if he can
stay healthy. I'm having a brain fart, the kid from
Michigan State. They have so many weapons that each game
(29:24):
you can see a guy get a hundred yards. And
so I just see justin Love j Reed talk about
Jade and Red Michigan State. Yes, I just see him
picking up where they left off. Man and the factors better. Well,
we talked about earlier with Trev Lawrence. You have better
sign them now because you let this season start. You're
gonna be paying me more later, and so get it
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done now or just pay them a little more later.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Okay, They're going to face the Eagles, and like I
don't want to do like a preview of the game.
It's in Brazil, but it only allows me to jump
off and talk about the Eagles. Hurts didn't have nearly
as good a year, right, different play on both sides.
Obviously some different personnel, but mostly on the defensive side
of the ball. Same question two years ago. Probably the
best and most efficient quarterback in football. Last year didn't
(30:14):
feel like he was a top ten guy. What's this year?
Speaker 7 (30:19):
I would we all would expect him the rebound. You
don't lead a team to the super Bowl, you don't
have the type of season that he had and just
can't play. Last year wasn't the type of year that
he wanted. We all know that if he was nicked up,
if he had any type of injuries that we didn't
know about that they kept a secret, who knows. But
(30:42):
I expect the Eagles to be better. They'll be better
defensively because the Fangio is a really, really good coach.
So just that aspect of it defensively is going to
make the team better on offense because they're not going
to feel like they have to score on every possession,
and so I think mentally that that's gonna help him.
But I expect Jalen Hurst to rebound and have a
(31:04):
really good season.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Who's you're the best? You gotta get up to the
Green Bay to come see a game, and of course
come over seeing my team hang out. I can't wait
to see you. Man, you gotta you gotta come and
uh and chop it up with us for you.
Speaker 7 (31:16):
I got again once again. Man, congrats, Man, you gonna
it'd be great for them young men teaching how to
play with teaching how to be men at the same time. Man,
wish you the best, bro.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Thanks so much. TJ. TJ. Huish Pinzada one of the
one of the all time good dudes that I've ever
worked with, and that that relationship started when he was
a player right obviously Sorito's College and then he went
to Santa Monica College and then to Oregon State and
then onto the NFL. Former Pro bowlide receiver. Check them out.
An Up on Game with LaVar Arrington Plaxico Burst airs
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(31:48):
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Do you guys hear what I just did there? I
just I just I went into autopilot for a second
and uh yeah that was not That was not did
you hear it?
Speaker 4 (32:50):
Jase Doe, you win an autopilot? Yeah, that doesn't surprise me.
But what what was the exact thing that you went in?
Speaker 1 (32:58):
All you weren't even listening?
Speaker 4 (33:01):
I heard I Iraq mentioned before Tyraq you're in southern California. Yes, yeah,
I heard that.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Yeah, yeah, which technically you guys are in southern California,
so it's not and it's actually broadcast from southern California.
Speaker 6 (33:15):
Yeah, yeah, I mean technically you're clear.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Okay, I appreciate it, the camera bringing terror ACL. You know,
there is one thing about WNBA hoops which I don't know,
like there's parts of the sport of women's basketball that
it's interesting what comes to the forefront when something becomes
more popular, and that's that I remember reading a study
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and you know, people can look this thing up. It's
not one of those things that I wrote it on
readdit and then I'm quoting myself on Reddit. There's a
study out there that just a I don't know if
it's one and a half times or two times more
likely women are to tear their ACL than men because
of the dynamics of how their body is built with
women's hips and of course you know the interior cruciate
(34:02):
ligament and how it runs through the middle of the
knee and the angle of it puts there's far more
pressure on your knee playing basketball, so there's a much
higher likelihood of tearing your ACL. And what happens is
when you when you when you build up any one
person or a person in a sport and then they're
(34:23):
gone off the radar for a year like that, It
does really kind of take away the luster. Cameron brings
somebody who she's super opinionated, and she's very well known,
very popular, attractive young lady, and now she's not going
to play in the three on three. And then the
question becomes like, if you're Caitlin Clark, do you play
(34:44):
in the three on three? If you can't play? And granted,
obviously she's a center, she's not a guard, but do
you play in the three on three? Haley van Litz
by the way he plays in the three on three? Hmm,
Willie May's died, that's a potential topic. Of course, there's
the Brownie James and do you care where he's drafted?
That's potential topic. Well, we do every Wednesday, humpday, middle
(35:08):
of the week, middle of the day, middle of the show.
Is we get to the midway? He's not getting.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
It's time for the.
Speaker 9 (35:20):
Midway.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
I don't know who suggested this, because I did see
it was a felt like a consensus there on the
text today who suggested the Willy Mays topic?
Speaker 4 (35:30):
On Texas Morning, No, I threw out a William May's topic,
the topic just being a conversation on about Willie Mays
and his impact on sports. And then Dan he enhanced
it a little bit. He said, what if we did
a maze combo where we talked about the best MLB
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legend that is still living?
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Yeah, and this is Bob.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Ryan put this out on X last night, and I
I actually thought it was pretty interesting and I don't
think it's as much of a no brainer. I've seen
two names pop up pretty consistently and talking about this,
but I just think it goes a little bit more
deeper than that in terms of.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
You know, how we view things.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Okay, where are you on that? Jake?
Speaker 4 (36:22):
Well, since Dan started the topic, I think I'm hoping
he might have a good suggestion. He said that it's
narrowed down between two. Do you want to give you
two or I'll tell you what.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
I'll tell you who the five that I thought, and
I think that the two the two are in there
that we saw. But the five players that I thought
that I that I wrote down Barry Bonds, Ken Griffiyd Jr,
Albert pooh Hooles. Okay, I know it's crazy to think,
but I just and then actively I think Otani has
(36:56):
to be a part of this conversation, and Mike Trout
that's who I've put for my five, and I honestly
I also wrote each row as a possible nominee from
back in the day.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Ago before you get to back in the day. I
don't know if people understand now, like Intro was a
ground breaker, right, grown breaker. I mean, I know there
are other Japanese players. He was a great one in Japan,
a great one here and played a unique style, had
a unique personality. I'm I think I'm with you on
(37:31):
that one. Go ahead.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
So those were the five each row on the outside
looking in of the five that I'd mentioned. But when
I just thought of like, who would I think would
be the best, you know, the best of recent eras,
I thought that I also went to some old timers,
because you know, Willie Mays was the oldest of the
old timers when you're looking at the home run list,
and I thought that that was interesting that the names
(37:54):
of Reggie Jackson and Mike Schmidt were there. Obviously Pete
Rose still alive, all yeah, Ripkin as well, But those
are the names that popped out for me when I
was what I was thinking of who I felt were
the greatest of all time?
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Well, Jay, which John you want to go with?
Speaker 4 (38:15):
Outside of those, I want to give a special shout
out to George Brett. He was my guy growing up.
Loved George Brett. I modeled my swing after him. I
went to his Hall of Fame induction in nineteen ninety nine,
but uh yeah, I don't. He went in with Robin
y Out and you know, old Ryan. It was amazing summer.
(38:36):
I want to say, I want to throw this out
just to get you guys' thoughts on this. What do
you guys think about Reggie Jackson? And now kind of
goes back to maybe our irrelevant conversation we had last hour. Aw,
what's the measurement? Is it statistics only or is it
just like biggest star, biggest impact.
Speaker 6 (38:58):
The player has had on the game.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
And it's hard to argue that Reggie Jackson, for a
period there in the late seventies was larger than a wife,
and he might be the most recognizable of the old timers.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
I'd agree with that.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Yes, Reggie Jackson is more famous than he was great, correct,
And he was a great player. And part of it
is are metrics for judging what makes you a great
player now is different than what made a great player then, Right,
Like batting average home runs RBI used to be you know,
(39:34):
kind of the litmus test, and now it's far different. Right,
Those numbers still jump out at you, but there's just
a different way of looking at it. So so okay,
So what is the actual question?
Speaker 6 (39:48):
What is the best living legend?
Speaker 1 (39:52):
Who is the greatest living legend in Major League baseball legend?
I don't know? To me, and again I'm not yet fifty.
Uh my dad was, My late father was like an
old soul. So again that era has mostly you know,
died off, right, the the Ted Williamses are gone obviously,
(40:14):
Willie Mays, Mickey Mantle, the Iron Horse. So I think
of like the older generation now. Is Nolan Ryan, Oh good,
pick yeah, Nolan Ryan, cal Ripken Jr. I mean Tony
Gwyn God rest his soul as the greatest pater I've
ever seen him a baseball right and just an amazing guy.
(40:36):
Is Brookes Robinson still a lot now? I know Bricks
Robinson probably isn't as nationally known. But like, if if
you love baseball, and especially if you are Eastern Seaboard
like you love Brick Robinson.
Speaker 6 (40:47):
I think he's no longer with us.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
Okay, so I think I again, when I think of legends,
I would say Reggie Jackson, Nolan Ryan, and cal Rip
Junior would be more legends, whereas and I know that
they're older than me, at least older than all of us,
But I think of that kind of next wave of
still being you know, mart McGuire, Barry Bonds mcgarreen. Bond's
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tainted obviously by steroids.
Speaker 8 (41:16):
What about Pete Rose in there?
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
I do think Mike Schmidt again, maybe not as flashy,
but his numbers stack up to most anybody.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Nobody gives a Schmidt, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
Nobody does.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
He's seventy four years old, by the way, which another
thing going on seventy five which made me feel really
really old, Like I don't remember the heyday of Reggie Jackson,
but for some reason, I feel like I remember the
heyday of Mike Schmidt. And I remember when the Phillies,
you know, we're in the World Series in eighty three,
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and I know that was the second part of Schmidt's career,
but I felt like that's, you know, around his heyday.
Speaker 4 (42:00):
He and George Brett were very much contemporaries. There were, Yeah,
two best players in the leagues, and theyre played third
base and that was a great time too.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
I have a name that we have not yet said.
That is the numbers are astounding, astounding, Ricky Henderson. Ricky
Henderson stole one hundred fifty six, one hundred and he
saw one hundred and thirty bases in nineteen eighty two.
Speaker 8 (42:32):
No, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
One hundred and fifty six, and that was a year
he was hurt. He only played one hundred eight games
for one hundred and thirty. He saw one hundred and
thirty bases in one hundred and forty nine games. Like, statistically,
you were very likely to see Ricky Henderson steal a
base in every game he played. He's sold over one
hundred bases in the three of his first four years. Ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
Yeah, I think if you can make an argument, they're
worthy of consideration. I don't know like who we're gonna
settle on or who we're going to ultimately pick if
we're going to do it individually or as a show,
but I think that that's I think that's that's fair.
I do think Randy Johnson's dominance as a pitcher. But again,
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like I didn't have any pictures in my finalist ballot,
but when I'm thinking of you know of of great
pictures because you brought up Nolan Ryan, Randy Johnson was
was probably the first name. I don't want to steal
other names as well, but Brandy Johnson, I.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
Have an I have a name for a great pitch.
So what I think of Tony Gwynn is the same
as a pitcher as a hitter, is the same thing
I think of Greg Maddox as.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
A pitcher, yep.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
And that the the technical aspects of if you were
going to teach somebody, if somebody comes in from a
different country and says, how do you hit a baseball?
You say Tony gwinn And you say, well, how do
you pitch? You say Greg maddocks, right, And I agree
with you that. Randy Johnson's dominance. And I remember when
he first got traded to it was to Houston, right
(44:06):
for the playoffs, playoff runt or whatever, yeah, ninety eight,
and he came from the Mariners and I remember he's
with you, was at the expos at first, and he
was super wild. Then he goes to the Mariners, but
then when he's traded to Houston. I mean, you want
to talk about explosive, and he was. You know, there's
there's a dynamic there as a left handed pitcher where
if you're left handed and you throw in the high eighties,
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it appears to right handed batters as if it's in
the mid nineties. Imagine a guy who's that big so
he can reach almost towards home plate, plus he's throwing
high nineties to triple digits and he's left handed. I mean,
it's was it John Cruck that went up there with
like a what did he go up to? It was
in the All Star Game, right, didn't he take like
a table leg up there and.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
Said he said, just hitting him like Johnson threw went
over his head because there was kind of it was
building up to that point where where like Cruck was
talking about facing him, so Johnson just like threw an
over his heads and then Kruck put his batting hamlet
on backwards.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
We alto'll ever care about baseball the way we used
to care about baseball.
Speaker 3 (45:07):
I'll give another name that I think is comparable to
the Barry Bonds discussion, because I do think that Barry
Bonds people would feel as a no brainer, but there's
obviously reasons why we're not automatically giving him that title.
That would be Roger Clemens. Yeah, and just in terms
of you know of I mean, the longevity really helped
(45:28):
Clemens because the argument with Randy Johnson was five cy
youngs that's pretty good. Maddix won four, Johnson won five,
but Clemens ended up winning seven cy Young Awards.
Speaker 2 (45:39):
Three of those or four of those.
Speaker 3 (45:40):
Though, came in I would say post nineteen ninety five,
and we all know what happened.
Speaker 4 (45:47):
I think a Rod and Bonds are obvious, the obvious example. Yeah,
but I think one of the leading examples of the
steroid era players and their punishment. You know, we always like,
what's the punishment for that? And they kept them in
the record books and everything. But I think the public
spoke about Roger Clemens because his numbers are off the charts,
(46:08):
like he was he was maybe the greatest pitcher ever
given everything involved, and he's not. It's not even like
when he comes up for the Hall of Fame where
it's not even like a point of discussion. I mean,
Dan said, last last Hour, the opposite of love is apathy.
That's like you don't even hear about Roger Clemens. That's
(46:29):
how that's how bad it was a bout. Then he
was that guilty of steroids. So he's not even in
this conversation.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
I will tell you who the best picture of baseball
I've ever seen is, And you know, again it's up
for discussion, but I consider it I'm the greatest picture
I've ever seen, not just because of the numbers and
the dominance, but because he was pitching in the steroid era.
And that's Pedro Martinez. Yeah, yep, Like Pedro Martinez in
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ninety nine, twenty three and four with a two point
oh seventy RA leads the league in strikeouts, are three
hundred and thirteen. Like look at every metric and you're like, wow,
second in the MVP won the Cy Young His stuff
was a joke, like how do you even hit that?
Speaker 6 (47:18):
And he was like five foot three.
Speaker 1 (47:21):
No, he's like my dad, Oh no he's not.
Speaker 3 (47:24):
He's Yeah, I think he's closer to five to three
that he has five to eleven. Really, yeah, Like can
we get an official measurement on him?
Speaker 2 (47:32):
I just I remember I saw him. It was actually
when Miller Park opened up.
Speaker 8 (47:37):
I have an answer.
Speaker 3 (47:37):
Okay, two secon let me quick tell the story Miller
Park played. You know, I have two exhibition games that
you'll play at home to make sure all the kinks
are off before opening day. And the Brewers played the
Red Sox, and I went to one of the games,
and I remember the lineup of the Red Sox on
the baseline and Pedro was just so much.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
Smaller than everyone.
Speaker 3 (47:55):
I was like, whoa, Now, maybe he was standing next
to Jason Veritek at the time, I'm or David Ortiz
and I you know, it just looked like it was
such a huge contrast. But I'm curious on the official
the official height, Sam, We're.
Speaker 5 (48:10):
Seeing a couple of different heights, with the one that
looks to be the most trustworthy is five foot eleven.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
Oh, Doug right on the number, and geez.
Speaker 4 (48:17):
By trust for worthy. It's like it doesn't pass the
eye test. Major League Baseball dot Com five five to nine.
I see MLB dot com five.
Speaker 6 (48:27):
It's closer to it.
Speaker 5 (48:28):
I think I see MLB dot Com as five eleven,
Baseball Reference five eleven, Wikipedia five eleven.
Speaker 8 (48:33):
I don't know's round. Just go in the middle there,
I don't know, five ten.
Speaker 3 (48:39):
If you had to pick Trout or Otani for this conversation,
who would you pick?
Speaker 1 (48:43):
Trout? Johnny's singular dominance as a pitcher and a hitter
is unmatched. Mike Trout's arguably the greatest position player to
ever play the sport.
Speaker 6 (48:53):
So what's the answer?
Speaker 1 (48:54):
Okay, I just I just don't think because he has
never had a postseason of dominance. He played three postseason
games in his career, I just don't think he resonates
the same. But if you ask a baseball person and
you said, hey, where does Mike Trout rank rank historically
as position players? The ones I've spoken to be like,
he's probably the best. I mean literally a five to
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a player. So and you know, you know we haven't
mentioned number two Derek.
Speaker 3 (49:26):
Yeah, G Duck, but G Duff, I get it, Budd,
he just he wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
He wouldn't be the numero Uno.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
No. But but I mean, he was the captain of
the Yankees during their era of dominance. He's good looking,
he's bright, he's he's like everything, and he was considered clutch.
I agree, like, I think he's probably the most overrated
(49:56):
player of all but you know, there's so much there there.
You know, having the same batting average in the post
is you do the regular season, and then you know
the play going in the stands and you know the
three thousandth hit which is a home run, and what
five for five in his last game at Yankee Stadium.
(50:16):
I mean, there's just so much there with Jeter. You know,
I get it, he's not the player of any of
these other guys we had listed, but he's pretty amazing.
That's midway Midway. That's midway God. I mean, that's that's
really what I talk What I'm talking about, guys, is
that we could honestly, you know, how much do you
watch baseball?
Speaker 7 (50:36):
Now?
Speaker 1 (50:36):
I know, Jayce do you watch a ton of it,
But people just don't watch it the same. And it's
amazing because baseball has so much good and so much
worthy of discussion. I just don't know if we'll ever
get back to that, to that point