July 12, 2024 • 47 mins
On this edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug addresses the Jaylen Brown snub from the Olympic team, and explains that it might very well be exactly what Grant Hill says it is, and that everything is not a conspiracy theory.
Doug welcomes NBA Insider Marc Stein onto the show to talk about Jaylen Brown, Bronny's summer league and all of the other major headlines around the NBA.
Brewers' manager Pat Murphy joins Doug to talk about his team as it heads into the All-Star Break and to offer up his perspective on the Paul Skenes no-hit attempt.
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we're at American Family Field. That's where the Brewers call home.
And oh yeah, by the way, it's where in a
couple of hours I'll be throwing out the first pitch
for the brew Cruise. Of course, the Brewers last night
were nearly no hit by Paul Skeins, who today was
announced as the starter for the National League All Star
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Game first ever starter, not just as a rookie, but
a guy who was just drafted last year, and he's
he's was amazing only through ninety nine pitches. Pat Murphy,
who's the skipper for the Brewer, is going to join
us in fifteen minutes. We'll ask him what that's like
to have a guy just putting up zeros and then
all of a sudden, the other manager takes him out
after just ninety nine pitches. But we got it, we
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got We've got a lot to get to. I want
to start with with this. We talked a little bit
about it yesterday, but let's dive more into it because
with the SP's last night, it kind of stoked this
conversation about Jalen Brown not being invited to play for
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a team USA. And I think there's a multitude of
levels to it. I remember Jalen Brown was the one
that tweeted out so this is what we're doing Nike, right,
But this is what Jalen Brown said when he was
asked a couple of times the Red Carpet the espi's
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about not being included on the Olympic tape.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Feels great to have support and one day I'll share
my steart. People don't all have the allt the information
in the world that they would like to know. It
just feels great to be here at the SP's and
to be holding up to Larry O'Brien.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Okay, so there's more to the story that we need
to know. I don't think there's that much more to
the story, but I'll get to it in a second.
On Wednesday, Grant Hill, of course, one of the all
time great college players, and I mean, I think we
all agree, would have been a very very good to
great NBA player if not for the injuries. Grant Hill
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was actually the general manager for Team USA. Here's what
he said about the choice of replacement Derek White, of course,
teammate of Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum with the champion
Boston Celtics, as a replacement for Letter.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
And you have to build a team, and one of
the hardest things is leaving people off the roster that
I'm a fan of, that I look forward to watching
throughout the season, throughout the playoffs. Guys who've been finals, MVPs,
guys who've been a part of the program, Guys who've
won gold medals, Guys who I respect, admire, and enjoy watching,
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but the responsibility that I have is to put together
a team and a team that compliments each other, a
team that fits, a team that will give us the
best opportunity for success.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Okay, So I thought that part is interesting, and it's
I think fairly obvious what he means, and will flush
it out in a second. But what Jalen Brown has
said by bringing Nike into the conversation is doing what
there so many people do with every different story in
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the world, not just sports. Okay, I don't know whether
it's Trump. I think you can even go to Tim
donaghe who is the famous official who of course was
shaving points to pay off his gambling debts. I'm not
sure if it's the movie JFK, which made many of
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us question who in fact killed John Fitzgerald Kennedy. I
don't know what it is. But the truth is we
are on some search for truth when oftentimes the truth
is right in front of us. And here's where I'll
blame Trump. Okay, Donald Trump has never taken any sort
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of accountability for January sixth, which he should. He's never
taken any sort of accountability for saying that Barack Obama
wasn't born in the United States, which he was, okay,
and all he did during those times was paint to
some sort of conspiracy theory. Also, obviously he's never said like, hey,
I lost the last election. Okay. When the leader of
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the free world is a conspiracy theorist, it makes everybody
not trust anybody. USA basketball and you just listen to
the words of Grant Hill, Hey, we're just trying to
build a team here, right, and they've had a week
or a week and a half or so of practices
to assess what do we need if we're going to
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replace By the way, I've done that with my own Teamay,
I had a couple of scholarships available. I still have
two available, and my assessment of who I'm going to
add is based upon I've had I think it's twelve
practices now, twelve practices, twelve workouts to assess what do
I need to add to I don't like redundancies, and
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I think the same could be said for USA basketball.
So look, you can take it as I he's one
of the best players in the world and he's being
shunned by a team that's supposed to be made up
of the twelve best players. When the reality is, the
reality is Grant Hill is a basketball guy. He's got
a whole committee, he's got a whole committee, he's got
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a coaching staff, and they've determined that Derek White is
a better fit than Jalen Brown, a better fit, which
builds a better team. I thought Dan Patrick reiterated what
I said yesterday, and I agree with which is which
one of those two is going to be? Okay if
he doesn't play a minute, and oh yeah, by the way,
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if he does play, what's needed. What don't they have? Right?
You have Drew Holliday, who's a tremendous defender and good,
not great offensive player, but he's a scorer, he's a passer,
he's not an elite shooter. Derek White is a very
good defender who plays without the basketball in his hands
and can guard multiple positions and is more of a
European style guard. Remember when they play in the Olympics,
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it's a completely different style of basketball and the one
drivers athletes ISO guys. That doesn't work that well. Now.
Jalen Brown is a tremendous defender, okay, but does his
defensive prowess make up for the fact that he likes
to put the ball on the floor and this is
not a style of basketball where guys who overdribble are
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going to be successful. And then there's one other factor
to it. We talked about whether or not he could
come off the bench or not even play and be
happy and weigh the towel and be a good teammate.
There's also this. Okay, this is Jason Tatum, Jalen Brown's teammate.
And remember we've been told, Hey, there's no beef between
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the two. They love playing together. YadA, YadA, YadA. This
is Jason Tatum when asked yesterday about Jalen Brown not
being on the Olympic team, to talk about having Jalen here.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Huh yeah, I mean, this is so many guys that could,
you know, take the last spot or whatever it is.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
There's so many guys. That was his actual answer. You know,
there's so many guys not Hey, Jalen's and my ride
or die Jalen's my dude. Jalen just won the MVP. God,
I wish Jalen was here. As matter of fact, if
he's not here, it just doesn't feel right to take
the floor without Jailen bre like, what is what negative?
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It is like, I'm super excited to have Derek. Considering Derek,
you know, started his career as a D two and
worked his way up to being an NBA champion. But man, Jalen,
he's coming off the best year of his career. He
should be here as well. I just I wish he
was here. You didn't hear that? He said. Yeah, There's
there's a lot of guys they're telling you all you
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need to know. Sometimes the truth is in fact the truth.
Sometimes the president is born in Hawaii. Sometimes you just
lose an election. Okay. Sometimes you're just too old to
be president. There are no conspiracy theories here. Sometimes you're
just hard to deal with. That's Jalen Brown. Okay. Style wise,
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it might not be a fit, but it feels like
if the other star from your team, his reaction to
you not making the team is, you know, there's a
lot of guys tells you all. I need to know.
What does the kids say? Now? Say less? Right? That's
the expression of you. Hear that say less, say less?
That's all you need to know that. Jason Tatum was
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asked about Jayleen Brown not making the team and he's like,
there's a lot of guys. Grant Hill is asked, and
Grant Hill said, we got to build the best team.
They said, look, Isaiah Thomas didn't make the Dream Team.
Do you know why? Because no one could stand Isaiah Thomas. Okay,
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it wasn't just Michael Jordan. Isaiah Thomas said or at
least insinuated that his quote unquote best friend Magic Johnson
might be gay when he contracted HIV. Remember that predated
the nineteen ninety two Dream Team Olympics, when Larry Bird
eliminated the Pistons from the playoffs, it was Isaiah Thomas
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who said, if he was white, Larry Bird, he's just
another guy. When Larry Bird and Magic Johnson and Michael
Jordan can't stand you, you're not getting on the Olympic team,
which is called the Dream Team. The reason he didn't
make it was not the credentials. And I hit all
those credentials. When Jason Tatum says there's a lot of
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guys and Grant Hill says, we're trying to build a team,
tells you all you need to know. So if Jalen
Brown has more to the story, here's the story. There's
no conspiracy. They just think they're better off without him
because part of the Olympics experiences, you're together every day
for a month. And if guys can't stand you, if
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you wear everybody down, if you can't come off the bench,
then you can't be part of USA basketball.
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Speaker 5 (12:35):
Just domestic, right, not internationally?
Speaker 1 (12:38):
No, not Internet.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
I think I think that is one thing you can
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Okay, well, don't start setting up on them now, and
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By your estimation, why do you think Jalen Brown wasn't
added to Team USA?
Speaker 6 (13:26):
You know what, I don't know that I have the
firmest handle on it. I think it's the question a
lot of people are acting because it doesn't make a
ton of sense. I mean, if you forced me to
give the most likely hypothesis, it's because if Derek White
doesn't get minutes that they think he'll handle it better.
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And you know, Derek White has been in the program.
I actually covered the team in China at the Feeble
World Cup in twenty nineteen which he played on, and
that scene. Man, that team took a seventh place finish,
the worst in program history with NBA players. But you know,
Derek White, you know, I think he was a member
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of that team who was appreciated and that keeps him
in good standing with USAB because of the efforts and
the way he played and carried himself through a really
difficult tournament. But look, he's replacing Kawhi Leonard. No, Kawhi
Leonard was not going to be a guy most likely
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had he been out there, who would have been struggling
for minutes. So it just it doesn't fully add up.
It's absolutely ridiculous and amazing to think that there are
three Celtics on this team and one of them is
not Jalen Brown.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
But okay, so let me, let me, let me play
some for you. Okay, and again, just him what you think? Okay,
this is Jason Tatum when he was asked about Jalen
Brown not making it be an invite on team, I'm talking
about having jalien hands.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Huh yeah. I mean there's just so many guys that
could you know, the last spot or whatever.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
So I mean that is not that is not. That's
my guy, that's my dog. He just won the NBA
Finals MVP. I wish he was here. It's gonna be
weird enough to play without him. You know, I don't
make those decisions, but if I did, he would definitely
be on the team. Like it didn't do a lot
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to submit to to go against the narrative that those
two are not the closest to friends.
Speaker 6 (15:40):
And look, I'm sure there are teams around the league
who love this stuff. They love the conspiracy theories and
any notions that this could drive some sort of wedge
into the Celtics when they reassemble for next season. I'm
sure there are teams, specifically at the top of the East,
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who don't mind hearing and seeing any of this because
you know, Boston obviously they were a team of the season.
They rolled through the finals in five games. They rolled
through the playoffs in its entirety, and you know, part
of that was, of course, they did face the teams
who lost key players along the way. But look, when
next season starts, they're not going to have Porzingis at
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the start of the season, and this drama, real or imagined,
is going to be thrown in their faces. And it's
something that these guys are going to be asked about.
And so, you know, is this because you know, while
a lot of people out there are saying, yes, Jalen
Brown has every reason to be upset that he's not
on his team, but there's also the interpretation that him
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being vocal in his criticism of the decision, it is,
you know, questioning his teammate Derek White's presence on the team.
So this is not a storyline that's going to go away.
And you know, is this something you know, honestly, this
feels like something more that Boston, more of a problem
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that Boston has to deal with than really anything it
saw in the playoffs, which is crazy to think about.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio, that's the
voice of Mark Stein the Stein line, what what like?
You talked to everybody in the league. What are they
saying about Bronnie a couple of games into his Summer
league season.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
You know what, I haven't talked to too many people
who've seen him in person yet. That's obviously going to
change now that everybody's going to Vegas. I won't be
there in time for tonight, but I'm getting there over
the weekend, and you know, obviously there's huge curiosity in
you know, what he's going to look like and look,
I mean, it's the microscope that he's under is unlike
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any number fifty five pick has ever faced. But you know,
that's what he signed up for. He's in the pro
is now and he's gonna have to deal with it.
But I also, you know, the the the old the
old man and me and the just having I got
my start doing summer league. So I have huge fondness
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for just what summer league is and the enterprise that
it is because it gave me my chance. There was
actually thirty five years ago that I got the chance
to cover my first summer league. I was still in college.
It was at Loyola Maryora, Mountamount, Yeah Hurst in Pavilion. Yeah,
nothing like the extravagant Zeta. I mean you, this thing
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draws crowds and TV audiences like nobody could have imagined
when I.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Hear here, here's what. Here's what people don't remember. Okay,
because I played in summer here. I don't know if
you know this. My dad used to coach. My dad
coached at Summer League. Uh back when it was at
Gursten Pavilion. They and then when it was Long Beach State,
as you know, they had like, uh, they had like
pro am teams really right, It'd be guys that didn't
get selected and they would play usually in the morning,
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you know, and up until the night, and then the
night session would be the NBA teams. And first Scotti
Brooks made the NBA because he would play on a
pro am team in the morning and then he just
hang around. He's hung around the gym, and then he
just hopped in games with a couple of different pro
teams like that legitimately happened when when I played with
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the Lakers, I would play with the Lakers, and then
on off days I would play with my dad's team
in in the pro am, you know, in the pro
am as well, so you get to play a lot
more minutes to to kind of stay sharp. So, yeah,
you and I are in this thing together. I love
Summer League, but like, look, I just feel like everyone's saying, like,
when is he gonna, you know, try and like take
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over a game, Like that's not how he plays. He's
he's never taken over a high school game, let alone
college game. And now you're and as you know, Vegas
is a much higher level than I think Sacramento is.
Like it because of the crowds and the energy. I
just I don't know, I feel like we're putting into ie.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
All of that was that was my preamble though, to
get to the point of don't make judgments off Summer League.
And I know I'm saying this in vain and I
can scream it for the next ten minutes and it
doesn't matter, and everyone is going to make judgments off
Ronnie games. But let's just rewind ti last year to
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remember how bad Wemama.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Looked in his shirt game.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
Yes, everyone was saying he was a bust and it
was a disaster, And this is the guy that we've
all been fawning. And now how do we talk about
wem Bin Yama one year later. So again, I know
it's going to be hard, and this guy, he's just
starting on his developmental path. I know I'm speaking in vain,
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but let's not. Let's not judge his career based on
the next four to six games we see in vain.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Fair enough? That that fair enough? Okay.
Speaker 6 (21:01):
The Spurs historically loved to tell the story and it's
exaggerated somewhat, But I covered that Summer League too, when
Tim Duncan was supposedly dominated by Greg Ostertag. He really
wasn't dominated. But that's the way the Spurs have fun
the story over the years. But it's just it is
a helpful reminder. Summer League does not sell the whole story.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Fair. It's fair. What does it say? Obviously, we've talked
about how of all the teams that you've covered the closest,
the Mavericks are are probably the team that you know
the best. But what does it say about the Lakers
that Clay chose Dallas over the Lakers.
Speaker 6 (21:42):
I don't think that in itself is the indictment of
the Lakers that it's being presented. I really think in
Dallas Clay saw a better opportunity to stay in the
championship mix, and I think that was important to him
that he wanted to. You know, the Mavericks just went
to the finals, and I think he saw a real
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opportunity to play off Luca and Kyrie, and he really wants,
I think, to send a message to the Warriors that
he can still be a key contributor to a team
with championship aspirations. I think with the Lakers, I mean,
you can certainly take that as well. The Lakers are
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farther away, so that is an indictment on the Lakers.
But all this talk about the Lakers offered him eighty
million and the MAVs only offered him fifteen and he
chose the Mavericks, I don't see it that way because
I've yet to be it is yet to be explained
to me. What were the moves that the Lakers definitely
were going to make to create the flexibility to give
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Clay that kind of offer. They would have had to
make multiple trades. Theoretically, could they have gotten their sure
But I mean making those moves would not be so easy.
So I'm a little bit skeptical of the idea that
he left thirty extra million on the table to come
to Dallas. I really think it was more a fit
thing in Dallas. And also he's close with Kyrie Irving.
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I covered the two of them together on two USA
Basketball teams, the twenty fourteen World Cup in Spain the
twenty sixteen Olympics. They came in in the same draft class.
They are friends, and I think Kyrie Irving helped sell
to Clay Thompson how comfortable he was made the field
in Dallas in terms of starting, you know, trying to
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restart his own career and how well it's gone for
him here in Dallas. And I think that helps sell
Clay Thompson on the idea if I'm going to make
this switch, you know, going from Golden State to la
It's I'm sure you've heard the analogius one fish bowl
to another where in Dallas. Even though Dallas has always
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had you know, this is you know, such a big city,
but it's really not. It's you know, I always think
God lived here more than twenty five years now. To me,
it's a big small town'll city, you know, I mean,
it's Dallas.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Dallas is a gigantic small town. It's a gigantic small town.
Speaker 6 (24:10):
It's just it is not like Hollywood's and it is
not like the sufe that you would get playing for
the Lakers. So I think all of that appealed to
Kway Thompson.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
There's also and this is this is a little bit
of a side note, but something I'm sure you know.
I don't know if everybody else does like one of
the things. And I know Cuban is not running the
day to day nearly as much, but some one of
the things that he wired in with Dallas's he always
believed they had the best medical staff. He spent a
ton of money and a ton of attention on medical
staff and on trying to get the most out of
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even guys that have been injured previously, thinking they can
do it smarter and better. I know you, I know
you know that. Well, I don't know if, if, if
everybody knows that. Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
so we're seeing the breakup of the Bill of the
Bulls right as they're clearly going to start over. So
what's gonna happen with zech Levine.
Speaker 6 (25:01):
The problem for the Bulls is there is just no market.
They have tried to trade zach Levine since before Thanksgiving.
But zach Lavine now still at this point has nearly
one hundred and forty million left on his deal over
three seasons. The Bulls would have to attach furious draft
capital to get a team to take in that contract.
(25:22):
And it's not because people don't think zach Levine can
get back to an elite level, but you're just seeing
in this new NBA environment with the luxury tax aprons,
and if you're taking on long term salary, you need
to be sure that that guy can be a contributor
and a key member of your team, or the draft
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compensation you're getting is just so good that you can't
pass it up. And just the teams with the amount
of financial flexibility to take on a contract like that,
I mean that lift is pretty much gone now at
this point in free agency, after everybody's used their cap space.
You know, Utah still has cap space, but they're saving
it to an extent a renegotiate and extent on lowry marketing.
(26:08):
So I mean they're just there. Just isn't the even
the Pistons have you pretty much used up all their
meaningful cap space. They still have some, but not enough
to just take in Zach Levine easily. So the Bulls
have just not been able to find any kind of
market for Levine. And that's what really sell the end
of jamar DeRozan's time there. The Bulls finally realized we
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can't move Levine, we cannot resign jamarg Rosen and have
a team bad enough to keep a pick that's only
top ten protected in this twenty twenty five draft that
everybody is so excited about. So DeMar Derozen finds his
way to Sacramento via sign and trade. But yeah, I
mean the Bulls, the Bulls waited too long to do this.
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At least now they are doing it. But I mean
a lot of people around the league are looking at
the Bulls and saying, Alex Caruso, Andre Drummond, dem Arda
Rosen and all you've gotten back os gitty Chris Duarte
and two second round picks and cash. I mean, had
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the bull the Bulls could have traded Caruso for so
much more. At the trade deadline, multiple teams were offering
them at least one first round pick and some more,
and they didn't do it.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Yeah, real quick, Stanny, Uh do you believe Jalen Brunson
is going to take this extension. And for people who
don't know, if Jalen Brunson takes an extension, which he
can't as of today by waiting, he could take like
one hundred million dollars more. But this would really help
the flexibility, so he would get a contract extension, but
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it would essentially be taking a haircut on what he
eventually will make. Is Brunson really going to do that?
Speaker 6 (27:48):
I mean, if he took if he takes the deal
that he can take now, and it's a difference in
that hundred million dollars our ballpark, It's got to be
one of the most selfless thing things we will have
ever seen in the NBA. I know, Oh the love
is deep among all those guys from Villanova who are
all on the Knicks now. But man, that would just
I genuinely, you know, it's a huge NBA curiosity. We
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were talking about things that people are in the league
want to see, and you know, if if Brunton were
to do that, I mean, that would be amazing and
you know, a huge win for the Knicks. Let's see
what happens. It's not clear yet what path he's going
to choose.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
All right. That's Mark Steiny's NBA insider, and a good one.
He publishes a substack called the Steinline, and if you're
going to download a podcast in the NBA, download this
one called This League Uncut. He and fellow insider Chris
Haynes give you everything you want. Especially gonna be in Vegas.
You'll get all the info that only they can can
can dig up from their years and years of experience. Steinny,
(28:45):
thanks so much. Safe travels to Vegas. We'll talk soon.
Speaker 6 (28:48):
Shout out Paul Skans. El Toro High.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Yeah, Paul Skins was filthy, filthy yesterday. El Toro El
Toro High School in Mission b a hole in Mission Viejo, California, UH,
formerly known as the high school that produced uh. Rob Johnson. Right,
Rob Johnson there, Brett Johnson too, I can't remember. I
think Rob and Brett Johnson there.
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which of course is the site of the Brewers game
tonight where I'm gonna throw out the first pitch, and
I you know, I I told Pat Murphy, who's the
manager of the of the Brewers, like, I just I
could give him a couple of innings if needed. But uh,
you know, I could be that position player comes in
(29:41):
and uh and throws one of those those uh what
of those what do they call it? The lob ball
that you Yeah, yeah, one of those. I could I
could give you a couple of those. Pat Murvey joins
us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio.
Yeah that. Oh there we go. Okay, So I got
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to ask about last night, right or yesterday afternoon. You're
facing the Pirates and Paul Skins, who, of course have
just been named as the NL All Star starter. What's
that like when you're watching a young guy just mow
down your lineup? Yeah?
Speaker 7 (30:19):
Well, I mean it's it's not beautiful, I'll tell you that,
but you're always an inch from from getting them, you
know what I mean. We had him at sixty three
pitches and three innings, and we had a chance to
get him because if you if you stay with that
type of approach. He only threw twenty six pitches the
next four innings, so he made an adjustment and decided
to say, hey, I'm going right at you. And we
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didn't capitalize on that, but we were good early against him.
He's obviously great now. One of the disadvantage is if
you've never seen a guy, he never stood in a
box against them, that's an advantage pitcher. But he's he's outstanding,
he's great. He'll have his come up ins like every
other pitcher in this league does, but up to this
point he's he especially, he looks like he's got great composure.
(31:05):
He met Bob Buker before one of the games. That's
a smart thing to do. And just his the way
he came off is like he's beyond his years and
in maturity and the way he pitched, the way he
handle himself, the way his body moved. I think you
got something really really special.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Well, obviously with your college experience, I think you can
maybe speak to this and explain, like it does feel
unique for a guy who is a college pitcher to
immediately advance to the to the major leagues. How unique
is it? I mean, like, look, you had a story
career coaching in college to come to the pros. How
unique is it to make that transition so quickly. It's
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very unique.
Speaker 7 (31:43):
I mean it takes. It takes, like I said, it
takes somebody really mature, takes somebody physically able. It takes
somebody that has the wherewithal to make adjustments even though
they're pretty confident in what they do. Yeah, he seems
like he's so level headed and so on a mission
to do the right thing. You know, he's not going
to get stopped for a while. But I but again,
I just warned everybody that you know this guy is,
(32:05):
he's he's competing against the best, and you know he'll
have his time when things aren't as good. But yeah,
I wish he was on our side.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Okay, so he gets pulled after ninety nine pitches. From
your perspective, you had a young guy out there. What
what are your thoughts when the other skipper doesn't let
him go out?
Speaker 7 (32:25):
I'm happy, I was real happy we got two. It's
the next inning. No, I think it's uh, it's they're
trying to protect the guy. It's more about his health
and his long term and you know, one hundred seems
like the magic number, Doug, I don't know that it is.
But the number of times you run out there what
they call the ups, So he was up seven times,
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to ask him to go up eight times is a lot.
It's it's the difference sometimes sometimes five to six is
a lot. Every time you get past five innings with
a workload in the eighty and nineties, you know, another
time out there is said to be where the danger
zone exists for maybe injury and that type of thing.
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But this guy's so out of control, he's so strong.
I think he could have went back out, but I
won't question what was done. They aired on the side
of caution.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
And you know what's that like for you though, because
you've been doing this a long time. I mean you're like,
look at your heart, your old school guy, right that
that you guys like, it's almost coaching malpractice to take
away a guy who threw was that four or five
innings like twenty six pitches? It's insane what he was doing.
What's that like for you? To know? The push pull
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of management and the long term plan with the if
the kid wants to pitch, like, let him pitch.
Speaker 7 (33:42):
Yeah, Well, if you want to coach, you kind of
take any consideration. Everything front office has has their eyes
on what kind of limits they have based on the
research and experience they have. So I think you take
all that into consideration oftentimes. Mean he's going to be
in this situation again, That's not the last time he's
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going to have a seven inning no hitter, I promise you.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Pat Murphy's our guest here on the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Obviously, you guys just got back
from LA and you face the Dodgers, and that's a
team that is on the same track as you are
in terms of a playoff team. What did you learn
about your club when you face the Dodgers?
Speaker 7 (34:21):
Well, I learned a lot about the Dodgers. They're pretty dark, talented,
is no surprise to anyone. But their environment there is incredible,
and their team is incredible. Their threats one through nine
is pretty The bottom of their lineup is so experienced.
They've they've got postseason experience times ten, you know what
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I mean, Like Chris Taylor and Kiki Hernandez and guys
like that. They just have a they have a group
that's very, very capable, and then they have their superstars
and when you talk about Otani and Will Smith and
Freddie Freeman, and obviously Mookie's out right now, but tayosk Hernandez,
those guys are really really special. They play defense, they're
(35:05):
calculated in their base running, They're very capable, and they're
pitching staff is kind of a work in progress, but
with tons of talent.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
I know your son's coming to town from the minor leagues,
so you personally get a little bit of a break.
You guys were playing so well into June, kind of
hit that when you hit the road, kind of hit
the skids a little bit, and there's been some struggles, right,
you feel like you need the break. Does the team
need the break?
Speaker 7 (35:27):
I don't think. I don't think so, I don't, I don't.
It's not a matter of need, it's it's what is.
So you plan for it and it ends up give it.
Getting some guys probably refreshed, but you got to keep
that edge. You know, this is a baseball is a
metal game more than anything else. You got to keep
that edge. But physically it gets draining these guys. Nobody
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kind of realizes that you play for six months and
the season wears on and everybody's capable of beating everybody.
Everybody is capable of beating everybody, like you go to
Colorado and play in that environment, totally different environment. It's
it's it's a team to can beat you.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
You and I were you and I were discussing the holidays. Obviously,
you know Josh, who's the head coach at Oklahoma State,
worked for you. You know, I know You're You're You're close
to the whole family. So I've had a conversation with
Tom of course, the former head coach, and he's pitching
coach as well, about power pitching. About why now like
every guy is throwing mid to high nineties. You've been
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doing this a long time. What is what is the
difference where you're not talking about one or two guys
in a bullpen to throw in the nineties. Literally everyone
comes in throwing gas. What has changed with with with
prospects now?
Speaker 7 (36:39):
Well, the training techniques are much different. So you're you've
got the guy that's six ' five to six '
eight that is being trained to throw the baseball correctly
from a young age. You're being built the engine is
being built much better than ever before. We understand biomechanics
better than ever before we understand training those arms and
strengthening the areas, whether it's the lad and the core
(37:03):
lower half we've always known about. But so we're building
a bigger, stronger, faster. The strike zone is also different
than it was back in the day, where the strike
zone is a little bit higher. There's corners on the
strike zone like never before.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
And I thought, smile on your face.
Speaker 7 (37:19):
So, I mean it's crazy. I mean, the guy throws
a cutter, it's never a strike, never a strike, never strike.
It's up and it's a ball out of hand until
it lands in the catcher's glove. You're like, wait a minute,
I had no chance to hit that. So the zone's
gotten so ridiculous that offenses is down, So I think
they have to look at that.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
But is that's what changed from last year this year
because we were one of the only shows I thought
nationally like we were tracking offense because of the change
in the rules, right, and it felt like.
Speaker 7 (37:47):
The change that I think you're right into something there.
I mean, obviously pitchers don't get a break, you know,
and they at fifteen seconds is is quick to get
everything going, especially.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
But it settled some this year. Right last year, there
was a spike and then it's settled. Is it the
strike zone? What is the adjustment that people have made.
Speaker 7 (38:05):
I don't know that the strike zone has changed. I
just think when you're throwing a hundred and you don't
know where it's going, but you know you can throw
it to the upper half of the zone. You don't
know specifically where. The hitters got to honor that today
like never before. So now I have to honor that
strike at the top in a little bit above it
because the ball jumps sometimes when it's got good vert
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on it or good RPMs. So now I got to
look at that, I got to look a little bit above,
and then I got all the rest of the strikes
on the cover. I think it's a lot and those
guys that throw a hundred can come in there just
eaving it at the top, take their chances. It's really
hard to get to I think if we lower that
zone a little bit, I think we got a chance
to get offense back where it belongs. And pitchers have
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to pitch. You can't just be a excuse the term
brain dead heaver and just come in there and you know,
throw it at the top at one hundred I think
you have to do some different things.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
So your team is on a path towards ards the playoff. Right,
you're on the path there, Okay, you come out of
that break, you hit the road. Right, you got two
straight roads series, including your rival the Cubs. What's missing?
What's that kind of next step to maintain a higher
level of consistency.
Speaker 7 (39:14):
Well, we're one game behind the Dodgers. That's unheard of.
They got a four hundred million dollar budget. We got
a hundred were We sold our number one pitcher, traded
our number one picture, and we cut our budget. I mean,
it's not like we are looking to compete with the
Dodgers that way. We compete in a different way and
we've done a great job of it just to be
where we are today. We're not satisfied by any means.
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But where we are today. The injuries that have occurred,
what are you out for the year? Another number one?
Miley out for the year? Gas are out for the year,
our top pitching prospect. So we've had to deal with this.
Butucacus is out, your Rebas out, Joe Ross is out.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
I can go on.
Speaker 7 (39:53):
We had eleven pictures of our top fifteen on the
il for sixty days or more. Devin Williams Reliever of
the Year for two years hasn't been so with all
that adversity, the guys took it upon themselves. Just a
great group and they've just played it with a certain edge.
And we have to get to that edge again. It's
hard to maintain that in one hundred and sixty two games,
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but we have to play with that edge. We have
to be a little bit different.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
So what do you do, like as a skipper, what
can you do to get them closer to that edge
to play with them at that level.
Speaker 7 (40:23):
It's about awareness. These are professional athletes, the best in
the game. You know, you don't browbeat them. You know,
there's little reminders, there's a little bit of an awareness thing,
but they understand, they know exactly what's going on. They're
the ones that play the game. They're the ones that compete.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
You know.
Speaker 7 (40:38):
My job is to facilitate as much as I can
and be there and have them know that I love
them and that I'm gonna I'm going to talk to
them and I'm going to correct them when when need correction.
But in no way it needs to be wholesale changes.
There just needs to be a reminder of how you play,
and there's no guarantees. You know, we surprise to everybody
(41:01):
doing what we've done, but I don't think we surprise
the guys. They know how to compete, all right, for
listening to the best. I really appreciate you joining us,
especially this close to game time. Thanks, thanks much for
being our guest and Fox Sports.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
My pleasure, My pleasure, Tuck, It's the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Fox Sports Radio continues to roll on here on The
Doug Gottlieb Show live from the tyrack dot com studios.
But thanks to Pat Murphy for popping up and joining us.
We're trying to effort to get Mark Stein to join us.
Of course, the Stein Line he joins us every week,
also has that podcast, This League on cut. But there
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was a lot Jay Stew when I was driving here,
you and I were talking about it. You're just so
down in the Dodgers, and here you have another skipper
who just faced the Dodgers. He disagrees with your Dodgers
stink sort of take actually direct disagreement with it.
Speaker 5 (41:50):
Yeah right. I went to the game on Friday night
where Will Smith at three home runs and the Dodgers
kicked the Brewer's ass, So I could see from his
perspective being very impressed with the Dodgers. And that's not
my issue with this team. It's never been the issue
with this team. This team could score twenty runs in
a game easily, and then it's gonna get shut out
(42:11):
the next day and you're left scratching your head. You
never know what players are gonna show up on the Dodgers.
It's one of the most frustrating experiences I could I
could imagine as a sports fan. You want to know
your team is either gonna suck, or they're gonna be mediocre,
or they're gonna be really good. The Dodgers are day
to day. That's the problem. So I don't doubt that
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Murphy thinks he's they're a great team. They played really
well for a two game stretch against them, and they
just got swept by the Phillies. And I think they
scored one run two runs and three games. I don't
know what the stats are.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Yeah, I again, you heard Murph talk about it. You
know so much. It's about consistency, and it's I just
I know you're here's what you're guilty of Jason guilty
of caring and paying a lot of attention, right, carrying
and paying a lot of attention. And what I think
your biggest fear is is what we've seen really last
(43:10):
year or the previous couple of years, which is like, hey,
are we really preparing ourselves for the playoffs so we
can win in the playoffs? And we were done the
whole regular season win stuff as well, and those little
flaws that when you pay attention every day you see,
you know, the common fan may may miss or the
one that like me, parachutes in watches the game every
now and again, we may miss. My thought is like,
(43:32):
think of how good this team is and and I
know they didn't do it last year, but I would
guess that changes. Where can they make the make an
addition here or there right around the trade deadline and
that propels them and like they really go for it
because last year it felt like they were Last year
was a whole year where they're waiting to get show hey,
and they got show hey, you know, and now you
(43:54):
know you end up getting two you know, elite Japanese players,
and now you're really this is a really go for
it year. And maybe in your mind. Every year should
be a go for a year when you're already spending
that much money. But again, that's that's my thoughts. When
I watched the Dodgers.
Speaker 5 (44:08):
Yeah, well there's this. There's this too. I mean, the
the injury bug that has plagued a lot of teams
has very much targeted the Dodgers. Like Yamamoto. I think
he's the highest paid pitcher in baseball. Walker Buller was
supposed to come back from his injury this year. He
had a couple outings, maybe three or four, and did
not look like himself. He's in this he's in this
(44:31):
purgatory now where he doesn't even know what the progress is.
They don't they don't know what's going on with his arm.
And Mookie Betts is out for several weeks. So the
injuries have taken a toll. But even before all these injuries,
they were inconsistent.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
So stop Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio.
And by the way, the Brewers are wearing the light
blue hats tonight. So what what what hat do you
think I should buy? That's the big question.
Speaker 5 (45:01):
First of all, you should leverage this thing by given
a hat to me.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
I agree. But the problem you're giving a hat is
you can't pick which one you want, you know, and
I I need it. I want the fitted one. I
want like the real deal one. So and like if
somebody gives you a hat, you can't go like, nah,
I want that one. I want the I really want
to fit. I want the fitted one.
Speaker 5 (45:24):
So is it the light blue one like the City
Connect one or the white blue one with the traditional
glove that has the MB. Which is it?
Speaker 1 (45:33):
It's the light blue one they're wearing right now. Is
the light blue one with the MB? I believe that's
what And they're down in the field kind of below me.
Murph didn't have a hat on when he was up here,
so that one I like. But I do think I
need to get the I need to get the two
tone with the navy and then the yellow brim. That
would be that. That's I think that's my first Joe,
(45:54):
that's it's the first choice. And I didn't admit to
Murph that that. I was like, it's like six weeks
ago was I first figured out that that's actually an MB?
Or should I go the solid navy blue with the NB.
Speaker 5 (46:08):
I think that's the traditional look.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
Right, I know it is, But what's the right decision here?
Speaker 5 (46:15):
Probably the traditional to be, just to play it.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
Safe, is the two tones? Not traditional?
Speaker 5 (46:21):
And by the way, yeah, I think the the two
tone with the yellow.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
Actually is the MK. That's what they're wearing now. Now I
saw them turn around and.
Speaker 5 (46:28):
See, okay, so that's the City Connect thing.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
They're wearing the City Connect hats. I can't tell they
were in the City Connect Jersey tonight or they're just
wearing some blue like warm up warm up kind of tops.
Speaker 5 (46:38):
Now, when they went to the World Series in eighty two,
I think they were wearing the yellow front with the
MB glove and the blue brim, right, those a two tone?
Speaker 1 (46:49):
Yeah, yeah, those are the ones. That's now the alternate
alternate authentic and the home authentic is the All Navy.
That's the question, what to do? What to do?
Speaker 7 (47:03):
All right?
Speaker 1 (47:03):
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we're at American Family Field. That's where the Brewers call home.
And oh yeah, by the way, it's where in a
couple of hours I'll be throwing out the first pitch
for the brew Cruise. Of course, the Brewers last night
were nearly no hit by Paul Skeins, who today was
announced as the starter for the National League All Star
(01:08):
Game first ever starter, not just as a rookie, but
a guy who was just drafted last year, and he's
he's was amazing only through ninety nine pitches. Pat Murphy,
who's the skipper for the Brewer, is going to join
us in fifteen minutes. We'll ask him what that's like
to have a guy just putting up zeros and then
all of a sudden, the other manager takes him out
after just ninety nine pitches. But we got it, we
(01:31):
got We've got a lot to get to. I want
to start with with this. We talked a little bit
about it yesterday, but let's dive more into it because
with the SP's last night, it kind of stoked this
conversation about Jalen Brown not being invited to play for
(01:52):
a team USA. And I think there's a multitude of
levels to it. I remember Jalen Brown was the one
that tweeted out so this is what we're doing Nike, right,
But this is what Jalen Brown said when he was
asked a couple of times the Red Carpet the espi's
(02:12):
about not being included on the Olympic tape.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Feels great to have support and one day I'll share
my steart. People don't all have the allt the information
in the world that they would like to know. It
just feels great to be here at the SP's and
to be holding up to Larry O'Brien.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Okay, so there's more to the story that we need
to know. I don't think there's that much more to
the story, but I'll get to it in a second.
On Wednesday, Grant Hill, of course, one of the all
time great college players, and I mean, I think we
all agree, would have been a very very good to
great NBA player if not for the injuries. Grant Hill
(02:46):
was actually the general manager for Team USA. Here's what
he said about the choice of replacement Derek White, of course,
teammate of Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum with the champion
Boston Celtics, as a replacement for Letter.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
And you have to build a team, and one of
the hardest things is leaving people off the roster that
I'm a fan of, that I look forward to watching
throughout the season, throughout the playoffs. Guys who've been finals, MVPs,
guys who've been a part of the program, Guys who've
won gold medals, Guys who I respect, admire, and enjoy watching,
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but the responsibility that I have is to put together
a team and a team that compliments each other, a
team that fits, a team that will give us the
best opportunity for success.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Okay, So I thought that part is interesting, and it's
I think fairly obvious what he means, and will flush
it out in a second. But what Jalen Brown has
said by bringing Nike into the conversation is doing what
there so many people do with every different story in
(04:04):
the world, not just sports. Okay, I don't know whether
it's Trump. I think you can even go to Tim
donaghe who is the famous official who of course was
shaving points to pay off his gambling debts. I'm not
sure if it's the movie JFK, which made many of
(04:26):
us question who in fact killed John Fitzgerald Kennedy. I
don't know what it is. But the truth is we
are on some search for truth when oftentimes the truth
is right in front of us. And here's where I'll
blame Trump. Okay, Donald Trump has never taken any sort
(04:46):
of accountability for January sixth, which he should. He's never
taken any sort of accountability for saying that Barack Obama
wasn't born in the United States, which he was, okay,
and all he did during those times was paint to
some sort of conspiracy theory. Also, obviously he's never said like, hey,
I lost the last election. Okay. When the leader of
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the free world is a conspiracy theorist, it makes everybody
not trust anybody. USA basketball and you just listen to
the words of Grant Hill, Hey, we're just trying to
build a team here, right, and they've had a week
or a week and a half or so of practices
to assess what do we need if we're going to
(05:31):
replace By the way, I've done that with my own Teamay,
I had a couple of scholarships available. I still have
two available, and my assessment of who I'm going to
add is based upon I've had I think it's twelve
practices now, twelve practices, twelve workouts to assess what do
I need to add to I don't like redundancies, and
(05:54):
I think the same could be said for USA basketball.
So look, you can take it as I he's one
of the best players in the world and he's being
shunned by a team that's supposed to be made up
of the twelve best players. When the reality is, the
reality is Grant Hill is a basketball guy. He's got
a whole committee, he's got a whole committee, he's got
(06:16):
a coaching staff, and they've determined that Derek White is
a better fit than Jalen Brown, a better fit, which
builds a better team. I thought Dan Patrick reiterated what
I said yesterday, and I agree with which is which
one of those two is going to be? Okay if
he doesn't play a minute, and oh yeah, by the way,
(06:39):
if he does play, what's needed. What don't they have? Right?
You have Drew Holliday, who's a tremendous defender and good,
not great offensive player, but he's a scorer, he's a passer,
he's not an elite shooter. Derek White is a very
good defender who plays without the basketball in his hands
and can guard multiple positions and is more of a
European style guard. Remember when they play in the Olympics,
(07:01):
it's a completely different style of basketball and the one
drivers athletes ISO guys. That doesn't work that well. Now.
Jalen Brown is a tremendous defender, okay, but does his
defensive prowess make up for the fact that he likes
to put the ball on the floor and this is
not a style of basketball where guys who overdribble are
(07:24):
going to be successful. And then there's one other factor
to it. We talked about whether or not he could
come off the bench or not even play and be
happy and weigh the towel and be a good teammate.
There's also this. Okay, this is Jason Tatum, Jalen Brown's teammate.
And remember we've been told, Hey, there's no beef between
(07:47):
the two. They love playing together. YadA, YadA, YadA. This
is Jason Tatum when asked yesterday about Jalen Brown not
being on the Olympic team, to talk about having Jalen here.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Huh yeah, I mean, this is so many guys that could,
you know, take the last spot or whatever it is.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
There's so many guys. That was his actual answer. You know,
there's so many guys not Hey, Jalen's and my ride
or die Jalen's my dude. Jalen just won the MVP. God,
I wish Jalen was here. As matter of fact, if
he's not here, it just doesn't feel right to take
the floor without Jailen bre like, what is what negative?
(08:35):
It is like, I'm super excited to have Derek. Considering Derek,
you know, started his career as a D two and
worked his way up to being an NBA champion. But man, Jalen,
he's coming off the best year of his career. He
should be here as well. I just I wish he
was here. You didn't hear that? He said. Yeah, There's
there's a lot of guys they're telling you all you
(08:58):
need to know. Sometimes the truth is in fact the truth.
Sometimes the president is born in Hawaii. Sometimes you just
lose an election. Okay. Sometimes you're just too old to
be president. There are no conspiracy theories here. Sometimes you're
just hard to deal with. That's Jalen Brown. Okay. Style wise,
(09:20):
it might not be a fit, but it feels like
if the other star from your team, his reaction to
you not making the team is, you know, there's a
lot of guys tells you all. I need to know.
What does the kids say? Now? Say less? Right? That's
the expression of you. Hear that say less, say less?
That's all you need to know that. Jason Tatum was
(09:44):
asked about Jayleen Brown not making the team and he's like,
there's a lot of guys. Grant Hill is asked, and
Grant Hill said, we got to build the best team.
They said, look, Isaiah Thomas didn't make the Dream Team.
Do you know why? Because no one could stand Isaiah Thomas. Okay,
(10:07):
it wasn't just Michael Jordan. Isaiah Thomas said or at
least insinuated that his quote unquote best friend Magic Johnson
might be gay when he contracted HIV. Remember that predated
the nineteen ninety two Dream Team Olympics, when Larry Bird
eliminated the Pistons from the playoffs, it was Isaiah Thomas
(10:30):
who said, if he was white, Larry Bird, he's just
another guy. When Larry Bird and Magic Johnson and Michael
Jordan can't stand you, you're not getting on the Olympic team,
which is called the Dream Team. The reason he didn't
make it was not the credentials. And I hit all
those credentials. When Jason Tatum says there's a lot of
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guys and Grant Hill says, we're trying to build a team,
tells you all you need to know. So if Jalen
Brown has more to the story, here's the story. There's
no conspiracy. They just think they're better off without him
because part of the Olympics experiences, you're together every day
for a month. And if guys can't stand you, if
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you wear everybody down, if you can't come off the bench,
then you can't be part of USA basketball.
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It's kind of a cool thing which has evolved during
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just for their name but their airport abbreviation. I love
the airport abbreviation. We should do a game on the
airport abbreviation day. What do you think that would be
a real that would be a fun game time that
feels like a buyer game time. I man, that's a
great idea, all right, not a good one.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
Just domestic, right, not internationally?
Speaker 1 (12:38):
No, not Internet.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
I think I think that is one thing you can
stump me with his abbreviations for most airports.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Okay, well, don't start setting up on them now, and
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(13:08):
It's like Compton and Long Beach together on a rap song.
It's the best of the absolute best in Stein joins
is here on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio.
By your estimation, why do you think Jalen Brown wasn't
added to Team USA?
Speaker 6 (13:26):
You know what, I don't know that I have the
firmest handle on it. I think it's the question a
lot of people are acting because it doesn't make a
ton of sense. I mean, if you forced me to
give the most likely hypothesis, it's because if Derek White
doesn't get minutes that they think he'll handle it better.
(13:50):
And you know, Derek White has been in the program.
I actually covered the team in China at the Feeble
World Cup in twenty nineteen which he played on, and
that scene. Man, that team took a seventh place finish,
the worst in program history with NBA players. But you know,
Derek White, you know, I think he was a member
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of that team who was appreciated and that keeps him
in good standing with USAB because of the efforts and
the way he played and carried himself through a really
difficult tournament. But look, he's replacing Kawhi Leonard. No, Kawhi
Leonard was not going to be a guy most likely
(14:33):
had he been out there, who would have been struggling
for minutes. So it just it doesn't fully add up.
It's absolutely ridiculous and amazing to think that there are
three Celtics on this team and one of them is
not Jalen Brown.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
But okay, so let me, let me, let me play
some for you. Okay, and again, just him what you think? Okay,
this is Jason Tatum when he was asked about Jalen
Brown not making it be an invite on team, I'm talking
about having jalien hands.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Huh yeah. I mean there's just so many guys that
could you know, the last spot or whatever.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
So I mean that is not that is not. That's
my guy, that's my dog. He just won the NBA
Finals MVP. I wish he was here. It's gonna be
weird enough to play without him. You know, I don't
make those decisions, but if I did, he would definitely
be on the team. Like it didn't do a lot
(15:34):
to submit to to go against the narrative that those
two are not the closest to friends.
Speaker 6 (15:40):
And look, I'm sure there are teams around the league
who love this stuff. They love the conspiracy theories and
any notions that this could drive some sort of wedge
into the Celtics when they reassemble for next season. I'm
sure there are teams, specifically at the top of the East,
(16:00):
who don't mind hearing and seeing any of this because
you know, Boston obviously they were a team of the season.
They rolled through the finals in five games. They rolled
through the playoffs in its entirety, and you know, part
of that was, of course, they did face the teams
who lost key players along the way. But look, when
next season starts, they're not going to have Porzingis at
(16:21):
the start of the season, and this drama, real or imagined,
is going to be thrown in their faces. And it's
something that these guys are going to be asked about.
And so, you know, is this because you know, while
a lot of people out there are saying, yes, Jalen
Brown has every reason to be upset that he's not
on his team, but there's also the interpretation that him
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being vocal in his criticism of the decision, it is,
you know, questioning his teammate Derek White's presence on the team.
So this is not a storyline that's going to go away.
And you know, is this something you know, honestly, this
feels like something more that Boston, more of a problem
(17:06):
that Boston has to deal with than really anything it
saw in the playoffs, which is crazy to think about.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio, that's the
voice of Mark Stein the Stein line, what what like?
You talked to everybody in the league. What are they
saying about Bronnie a couple of games into his Summer
league season.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
You know what, I haven't talked to too many people
who've seen him in person yet. That's obviously going to
change now that everybody's going to Vegas. I won't be
there in time for tonight, but I'm getting there over
the weekend, and you know, obviously there's huge curiosity in
you know, what he's going to look like and look,
I mean, it's the microscope that he's under is unlike
(17:53):
any number fifty five pick has ever faced. But you know,
that's what he signed up for. He's in the pro
is now and he's gonna have to deal with it.
But I also, you know, the the the old the
old man and me and the just having I got
my start doing summer league. So I have huge fondness
(18:15):
for just what summer league is and the enterprise that
it is because it gave me my chance. There was
actually thirty five years ago that I got the chance
to cover my first summer league. I was still in college.
It was at Loyola Maryora, Mountamount, Yeah Hurst in Pavilion. Yeah,
nothing like the extravagant Zeta. I mean you, this thing
(18:36):
draws crowds and TV audiences like nobody could have imagined
when I.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Hear here, here's what. Here's what people don't remember. Okay,
because I played in summer here. I don't know if
you know this. My dad used to coach. My dad
coached at Summer League. Uh back when it was at
Gursten Pavilion. They and then when it was Long Beach State,
as you know, they had like, uh, they had like
pro am teams really right, It'd be guys that didn't
get selected and they would play usually in the morning,
(19:03):
you know, and up until the night, and then the
night session would be the NBA teams. And first Scotti
Brooks made the NBA because he would play on a
pro am team in the morning and then he just
hang around. He's hung around the gym, and then he
just hopped in games with a couple of different pro
teams like that legitimately happened when when I played with
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the Lakers, I would play with the Lakers, and then
on off days I would play with my dad's team
in in the pro am, you know, in the pro
am as well, so you get to play a lot
more minutes to to kind of stay sharp. So, yeah,
you and I are in this thing together. I love
Summer League, but like, look, I just feel like everyone's saying, like,
when is he gonna, you know, try and like take
(19:45):
over a game, Like that's not how he plays. He's
he's never taken over a high school game, let alone
college game. And now you're and as you know, Vegas
is a much higher level than I think Sacramento is.
Like it because of the crowds and the energy. I
just I don't know, I feel like we're putting into ie.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
All of that was that was my preamble though, to
get to the point of don't make judgments off Summer League.
And I know I'm saying this in vain and I
can scream it for the next ten minutes and it
doesn't matter, and everyone is going to make judgments off
Ronnie games. But let's just rewind ti last year to
(20:24):
remember how bad Wemama.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Looked in his shirt game.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
Yes, everyone was saying he was a bust and it
was a disaster, And this is the guy that we've
all been fawning. And now how do we talk about
wem Bin Yama one year later. So again, I know
it's going to be hard, and this guy, he's just
starting on his developmental path. I know I'm speaking in vain,
(20:50):
but let's not. Let's not judge his career based on
the next four to six games we see in vain.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Fair enough? That that fair enough? Okay.
Speaker 6 (21:01):
The Spurs historically loved to tell the story and it's
exaggerated somewhat, But I covered that Summer League too, when
Tim Duncan was supposedly dominated by Greg Ostertag. He really
wasn't dominated. But that's the way the Spurs have fun
the story over the years. But it's just it is
a helpful reminder. Summer League does not sell the whole story.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Fair. It's fair. What does it say? Obviously, we've talked
about how of all the teams that you've covered the closest,
the Mavericks are are probably the team that you know
the best. But what does it say about the Lakers
that Clay chose Dallas over the Lakers.
Speaker 6 (21:42):
I don't think that in itself is the indictment of
the Lakers that it's being presented. I really think in
Dallas Clay saw a better opportunity to stay in the
championship mix, and I think that was important to him
that he wanted to. You know, the Mavericks just went
to the finals, and I think he saw a real
(22:05):
opportunity to play off Luca and Kyrie, and he really wants,
I think, to send a message to the Warriors that
he can still be a key contributor to a team
with championship aspirations. I think with the Lakers, I mean,
you can certainly take that as well. The Lakers are
(22:26):
farther away, so that is an indictment on the Lakers.
But all this talk about the Lakers offered him eighty
million and the MAVs only offered him fifteen and he
chose the Mavericks, I don't see it that way because
I've yet to be it is yet to be explained
to me. What were the moves that the Lakers definitely
were going to make to create the flexibility to give
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Clay that kind of offer. They would have had to
make multiple trades. Theoretically, could they have gotten their sure
But I mean making those moves would not be so easy.
So I'm a little bit skeptical of the idea that
he left thirty extra million on the table to come
to Dallas. I really think it was more a fit
thing in Dallas. And also he's close with Kyrie Irving.
(23:10):
I covered the two of them together on two USA
Basketball teams, the twenty fourteen World Cup in Spain the
twenty sixteen Olympics. They came in in the same draft class.
They are friends, and I think Kyrie Irving helped sell
to Clay Thompson how comfortable he was made the field
in Dallas in terms of starting, you know, trying to
(23:33):
restart his own career and how well it's gone for
him here in Dallas. And I think that helps sell
Clay Thompson on the idea if I'm going to make
this switch, you know, going from Golden State to la
It's I'm sure you've heard the analogius one fish bowl
to another where in Dallas. Even though Dallas has always
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had you know, this is you know, such a big city,
but it's really not. It's you know, I always think
God lived here more than twenty five years now. To me,
it's a big small town'll city, you know, I mean,
it's Dallas.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Dallas is a gigantic small town. It's a gigantic small town.
Speaker 6 (24:10):
It's just it is not like Hollywood's and it is
not like the sufe that you would get playing for
the Lakers. So I think all of that appealed to
Kway Thompson.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
There's also and this is this is a little bit
of a side note, but something I'm sure you know.
I don't know if everybody else does like one of
the things. And I know Cuban is not running the
day to day nearly as much, but some one of
the things that he wired in with Dallas's he always
believed they had the best medical staff. He spent a
ton of money and a ton of attention on medical
staff and on trying to get the most out of
(24:42):
even guys that have been injured previously, thinking they can
do it smarter and better. I know you, I know
you know that. Well, I don't know if, if, if
everybody knows that. Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
so we're seeing the breakup of the Bill of the
Bulls right as they're clearly going to start over. So
what's gonna happen with zech Levine.
Speaker 6 (25:01):
The problem for the Bulls is there is just no market.
They have tried to trade zach Levine since before Thanksgiving.
But zach Lavine now still at this point has nearly
one hundred and forty million left on his deal over
three seasons. The Bulls would have to attach furious draft
capital to get a team to take in that contract.
(25:22):
And it's not because people don't think zach Levine can
get back to an elite level, but you're just seeing
in this new NBA environment with the luxury tax aprons,
and if you're taking on long term salary, you need
to be sure that that guy can be a contributor
and a key member of your team, or the draft
(25:44):
compensation you're getting is just so good that you can't
pass it up. And just the teams with the amount
of financial flexibility to take on a contract like that,
I mean that lift is pretty much gone now at
this point in free agency, after everybody's used their cap space.
You know, Utah still has cap space, but they're saving
it to an extent a renegotiate and extent on lowry marketing.
(26:08):
So I mean they're just there. Just isn't the even
the Pistons have you pretty much used up all their
meaningful cap space. They still have some, but not enough
to just take in Zach Levine easily. So the Bulls
have just not been able to find any kind of
market for Levine. And that's what really sell the end
of jamar DeRozan's time there. The Bulls finally realized we
(26:29):
can't move Levine, we cannot resign jamarg Rosen and have
a team bad enough to keep a pick that's only
top ten protected in this twenty twenty five draft that
everybody is so excited about. So DeMar Derozen finds his
way to Sacramento via sign and trade. But yeah, I
mean the Bulls, the Bulls waited too long to do this.
(26:49):
At least now they are doing it. But I mean
a lot of people around the league are looking at
the Bulls and saying, Alex Caruso, Andre Drummond, dem Arda
Rosen and all you've gotten back os gitty Chris Duarte
and two second round picks and cash. I mean, had
(27:10):
the bull the Bulls could have traded Caruso for so
much more. At the trade deadline, multiple teams were offering
them at least one first round pick and some more,
and they didn't do it.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Yeah, real quick, Stanny, Uh do you believe Jalen Brunson
is going to take this extension. And for people who
don't know, if Jalen Brunson takes an extension, which he
can't as of today by waiting, he could take like
one hundred million dollars more. But this would really help
the flexibility, so he would get a contract extension, but
(27:42):
it would essentially be taking a haircut on what he
eventually will make. Is Brunson really going to do that?
Speaker 6 (27:48):
I mean, if he took if he takes the deal
that he can take now, and it's a difference in
that hundred million dollars our ballpark, It's got to be
one of the most selfless thing things we will have
ever seen in the NBA. I know, Oh the love
is deep among all those guys from Villanova who are
all on the Knicks now. But man, that would just
I genuinely, you know, it's a huge NBA curiosity. We
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were talking about things that people are in the league
want to see, and you know, if if Brunton were
to do that, I mean, that would be amazing and
you know, a huge win for the Knicks. Let's see
what happens. It's not clear yet what path he's going
to choose.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
All right. That's Mark Steiny's NBA insider, and a good one.
He publishes a substack called the Steinline, and if you're
going to download a podcast in the NBA, download this
one called This League Uncut. He and fellow insider Chris
Haynes give you everything you want. Especially gonna be in Vegas.
You'll get all the info that only they can can
can dig up from their years and years of experience. Steinny,
(28:45):
thanks so much. Safe travels to Vegas. We'll talk soon.
Speaker 6 (28:48):
Shout out Paul Skans. El Toro High.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Yeah, Paul Skins was filthy, filthy yesterday. El Toro El
Toro High School in Mission b a hole in Mission Viejo, California, UH,
formerly known as the high school that produced uh. Rob Johnson. Right,
Rob Johnson there, Brett Johnson too, I can't remember. I
think Rob and Brett Johnson there.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
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Speaker 1 (29:20):
Doug Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Radio. The Doug Gotlib Show
rolls on here live from or actually an American family field,
which of course is the site of the Brewers game
tonight where I'm gonna throw out the first pitch, and
I you know, I I told Pat Murphy, who's the
manager of the of the Brewers, like, I just I
could give him a couple of innings if needed. But uh,
you know, I could be that position player comes in
(29:41):
and uh and throws one of those those uh what
of those what do they call it? The lob ball
that you Yeah, yeah, one of those. I could I
could give you a couple of those. Pat Murvey joins
us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio.
Yeah that. Oh there we go. Okay, So I got
(30:05):
to ask about last night, right or yesterday afternoon. You're
facing the Pirates and Paul Skins, who, of course have
just been named as the NL All Star starter. What's
that like when you're watching a young guy just mow
down your lineup? Yeah?
Speaker 7 (30:19):
Well, I mean it's it's not beautiful, I'll tell you that,
but you're always an inch from from getting them, you
know what I mean. We had him at sixty three
pitches and three innings, and we had a chance to
get him because if you if you stay with that
type of approach. He only threw twenty six pitches the
next four innings, so he made an adjustment and decided
to say, hey, I'm going right at you. And we
(30:41):
didn't capitalize on that, but we were good early against him.
He's obviously great now. One of the disadvantage is if
you've never seen a guy, he never stood in a
box against them, that's an advantage pitcher. But he's he's outstanding,
he's great. He'll have his come up ins like every
other pitcher in this league does, but up to this
point he's he especially, he looks like he's got great composure.
(31:05):
He met Bob Buker before one of the games. That's
a smart thing to do. And just his the way
he came off is like he's beyond his years and
in maturity and the way he pitched, the way he
handle himself, the way his body moved. I think you
got something really really special.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Well, obviously with your college experience, I think you can
maybe speak to this and explain, like it does feel
unique for a guy who is a college pitcher to
immediately advance to the to the major leagues. How unique
is it? I mean, like, look, you had a story
career coaching in college to come to the pros. How
unique is it to make that transition so quickly. It's
(31:42):
very unique.
Speaker 7 (31:43):
I mean it takes. It takes, like I said, it
takes somebody really mature, takes somebody physically able. It takes
somebody that has the wherewithal to make adjustments even though
they're pretty confident in what they do. Yeah, he seems
like he's so level headed and so on a mission
to do the right thing. You know, he's not going
to get stopped for a while. But I but again,
I just warned everybody that you know this guy is,
(32:05):
he's he's competing against the best, and you know he'll
have his time when things aren't as good. But yeah,
I wish he was on our side.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Okay, so he gets pulled after ninety nine pitches. From
your perspective, you had a young guy out there. What
what are your thoughts when the other skipper doesn't let
him go out?
Speaker 7 (32:25):
I'm happy, I was real happy we got two. It's
the next inning. No, I think it's uh, it's they're
trying to protect the guy. It's more about his health
and his long term and you know, one hundred seems
like the magic number, Doug, I don't know that it is.
But the number of times you run out there what
they call the ups, So he was up seven times,
(32:47):
to ask him to go up eight times is a lot.
It's it's the difference sometimes sometimes five to six is
a lot. Every time you get past five innings with
a workload in the eighty and nineties, you know, another
time out there is said to be where the danger
zone exists for maybe injury and that type of thing.
(33:08):
But this guy's so out of control, he's so strong.
I think he could have went back out, but I
won't question what was done. They aired on the side
of caution.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
And you know what's that like for you though, because
you've been doing this a long time. I mean you're like,
look at your heart, your old school guy, right that
that you guys like, it's almost coaching malpractice to take
away a guy who threw was that four or five
innings like twenty six pitches? It's insane what he was doing.
What's that like for you? To know? The push pull
(33:37):
of management and the long term plan with the if
the kid wants to pitch, like, let him pitch.
Speaker 7 (33:42):
Yeah, Well, if you want to coach, you kind of
take any consideration. Everything front office has has their eyes
on what kind of limits they have based on the
research and experience they have. So I think you take
all that into consideration oftentimes. Mean he's going to be
in this situation again, That's not the last time he's
(34:03):
going to have a seven inning no hitter, I promise you.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Pat Murphy's our guest here on the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Obviously, you guys just got back
from LA and you face the Dodgers, and that's a
team that is on the same track as you are
in terms of a playoff team. What did you learn
about your club when you face the Dodgers?
Speaker 7 (34:21):
Well, I learned a lot about the Dodgers. They're pretty dark, talented,
is no surprise to anyone. But their environment there is incredible,
and their team is incredible. Their threats one through nine
is pretty The bottom of their lineup is so experienced.
They've they've got postseason experience times ten, you know what
(34:43):
I mean, Like Chris Taylor and Kiki Hernandez and guys
like that. They just have a they have a group
that's very, very capable, and then they have their superstars
and when you talk about Otani and Will Smith and
Freddie Freeman, and obviously Mookie's out right now, but tayosk Hernandez,
those guys are really really special. They play defense, they're
(35:05):
calculated in their base running, They're very capable, and they're
pitching staff is kind of a work in progress, but
with tons of talent.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
I know your son's coming to town from the minor leagues,
so you personally get a little bit of a break.
You guys were playing so well into June, kind of
hit that when you hit the road, kind of hit
the skids a little bit, and there's been some struggles, right,
you feel like you need the break. Does the team
need the break?
Speaker 7 (35:27):
I don't think. I don't think so, I don't, I don't.
It's not a matter of need, it's it's what is.
So you plan for it and it ends up give it.
Getting some guys probably refreshed, but you got to keep
that edge. You know, this is a baseball is a
metal game more than anything else. You got to keep
that edge. But physically it gets draining these guys. Nobody
(35:47):
kind of realizes that you play for six months and
the season wears on and everybody's capable of beating everybody.
Everybody is capable of beating everybody, like you go to
Colorado and play in that environment, totally different environment. It's
it's it's a team to can beat you.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
You and I were you and I were discussing the holidays. Obviously,
you know Josh, who's the head coach at Oklahoma State,
worked for you. You know, I know You're You're You're close
to the whole family. So I've had a conversation with
Tom of course, the former head coach, and he's pitching
coach as well, about power pitching. About why now like
every guy is throwing mid to high nineties. You've been
(36:26):
doing this a long time. What is what is the
difference where you're not talking about one or two guys
in a bullpen to throw in the nineties. Literally everyone
comes in throwing gas. What has changed with with with
prospects now?
Speaker 7 (36:39):
Well, the training techniques are much different. So you're you've
got the guy that's six ' five to six '
eight that is being trained to throw the baseball correctly
from a young age. You're being built the engine is
being built much better than ever before. We understand biomechanics
better than ever before we understand training those arms and
strengthening the areas, whether it's the lad and the core
(37:03):
lower half we've always known about. But so we're building
a bigger, stronger, faster. The strike zone is also different
than it was back in the day, where the strike
zone is a little bit higher. There's corners on the
strike zone like never before.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
And I thought, smile on your face.
Speaker 7 (37:19):
So, I mean it's crazy. I mean, the guy throws
a cutter, it's never a strike, never a strike, never strike.
It's up and it's a ball out of hand until
it lands in the catcher's glove. You're like, wait a minute,
I had no chance to hit that. So the zone's
gotten so ridiculous that offenses is down, So I think
they have to look at that.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
But is that's what changed from last year this year
because we were one of the only shows I thought
nationally like we were tracking offense because of the change
in the rules, right, and it felt like.
Speaker 7 (37:47):
The change that I think you're right into something there.
I mean, obviously pitchers don't get a break, you know,
and they at fifteen seconds is is quick to get
everything going, especially.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
But it settled some this year. Right last year, there
was a spike and then it's settled. Is it the
strike zone? What is the adjustment that people have made.
Speaker 7 (38:05):
I don't know that the strike zone has changed. I
just think when you're throwing a hundred and you don't
know where it's going, but you know you can throw
it to the upper half of the zone. You don't
know specifically where. The hitters got to honor that today
like never before. So now I have to honor that
strike at the top in a little bit above it
because the ball jumps sometimes when it's got good vert
(38:26):
on it or good RPMs. So now I got to
look at that, I got to look a little bit above,
and then I got all the rest of the strikes
on the cover. I think it's a lot and those
guys that throw a hundred can come in there just
eaving it at the top, take their chances. It's really
hard to get to I think if we lower that
zone a little bit, I think we got a chance
to get offense back where it belongs. And pitchers have
(38:47):
to pitch. You can't just be a excuse the term
brain dead heaver and just come in there and you know,
throw it at the top at one hundred I think
you have to do some different things.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
So your team is on a path towards ards the playoff. Right,
you're on the path there, Okay, you come out of
that break, you hit the road. Right, you got two
straight roads series, including your rival the Cubs. What's missing?
What's that kind of next step to maintain a higher
level of consistency.
Speaker 7 (39:14):
Well, we're one game behind the Dodgers. That's unheard of.
They got a four hundred million dollar budget. We got
a hundred were We sold our number one pitcher, traded
our number one picture, and we cut our budget. I mean,
it's not like we are looking to compete with the
Dodgers that way. We compete in a different way and
we've done a great job of it just to be
where we are today. We're not satisfied by any means.
(39:36):
But where we are today. The injuries that have occurred,
what are you out for the year? Another number one?
Miley out for the year? Gas are out for the year,
our top pitching prospect. So we've had to deal with this.
Butucacus is out, your Rebas out, Joe Ross is out.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
I can go on.
Speaker 7 (39:53):
We had eleven pictures of our top fifteen on the
il for sixty days or more. Devin Williams Reliever of
the Year for two years hasn't been so with all
that adversity, the guys took it upon themselves. Just a
great group and they've just played it with a certain edge.
And we have to get to that edge again. It's
hard to maintain that in one hundred and sixty two games,
(40:14):
but we have to play with that edge. We have
to be a little bit different.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
So what do you do, like as a skipper, what
can you do to get them closer to that edge
to play with them at that level.
Speaker 7 (40:23):
It's about awareness. These are professional athletes, the best in
the game. You know, you don't browbeat them. You know,
there's little reminders, there's a little bit of an awareness thing,
but they understand, they know exactly what's going on. They're
the ones that play the game. They're the ones that compete.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
You know.
Speaker 7 (40:38):
My job is to facilitate as much as I can
and be there and have them know that I love
them and that I'm gonna I'm going to talk to
them and I'm going to correct them when when need correction.
But in no way it needs to be wholesale changes.
There just needs to be a reminder of how you play,
and there's no guarantees. You know, we surprise to everybody
(41:01):
doing what we've done, but I don't think we surprise
the guys. They know how to compete, all right, for
listening to the best. I really appreciate you joining us,
especially this close to game time. Thanks, thanks much for
being our guest and Fox Sports.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
My pleasure, My pleasure, Tuck, It's the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Fox Sports Radio continues to roll on here on The
Doug Gottlieb Show live from the tyrack dot com studios.
But thanks to Pat Murphy for popping up and joining us.
We're trying to effort to get Mark Stein to join us.
Of course, the Stein Line he joins us every week,
also has that podcast, This League on cut. But there
(41:35):
was a lot Jay Stew when I was driving here,
you and I were talking about it. You're just so
down in the Dodgers, and here you have another skipper
who just faced the Dodgers. He disagrees with your Dodgers
stink sort of take actually direct disagreement with it.
Speaker 5 (41:50):
Yeah right. I went to the game on Friday night
where Will Smith at three home runs and the Dodgers
kicked the Brewer's ass, So I could see from his
perspective being very impressed with the Dodgers. And that's not
my issue with this team. It's never been the issue
with this team. This team could score twenty runs in
a game easily, and then it's gonna get shut out
(42:11):
the next day and you're left scratching your head. You
never know what players are gonna show up on the Dodgers.
It's one of the most frustrating experiences I could I
could imagine as a sports fan. You want to know
your team is either gonna suck, or they're gonna be mediocre,
or they're gonna be really good. The Dodgers are day
to day. That's the problem. So I don't doubt that
(42:35):
Murphy thinks he's they're a great team. They played really
well for a two game stretch against them, and they
just got swept by the Phillies. And I think they
scored one run two runs and three games. I don't
know what the stats are.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Yeah, I again, you heard Murph talk about it. You
know so much. It's about consistency, and it's I just
I know you're here's what you're guilty of Jason guilty
of caring and paying a lot of attention, right, carrying
and paying a lot of attention. And what I think
your biggest fear is is what we've seen really last
(43:10):
year or the previous couple of years, which is like, hey,
are we really preparing ourselves for the playoffs so we
can win in the playoffs? And we were done the
whole regular season win stuff as well, and those little
flaws that when you pay attention every day you see,
you know, the common fan may may miss or the
one that like me, parachutes in watches the game every
now and again, we may miss. My thought is like,
(43:32):
think of how good this team is and and I
know they didn't do it last year, but I would
guess that changes. Where can they make the make an
addition here or there right around the trade deadline and
that propels them and like they really go for it
because last year it felt like they were Last year
was a whole year where they're waiting to get show hey,
and they got show hey, you know, and now you
(43:54):
know you end up getting two you know, elite Japanese players,
and now you're really this is a really go for
it year. And maybe in your mind. Every year should
be a go for a year when you're already spending
that much money. But again, that's that's my thoughts. When
I watched the Dodgers.
Speaker 5 (44:08):
Yeah, well there's this. There's this too. I mean, the
the injury bug that has plagued a lot of teams
has very much targeted the Dodgers. Like Yamamoto. I think
he's the highest paid pitcher in baseball. Walker Buller was
supposed to come back from his injury this year. He
had a couple outings, maybe three or four, and did
not look like himself. He's in this he's in this
(44:31):
purgatory now where he doesn't even know what the progress is.
They don't they don't know what's going on with his arm.
And Mookie Betts is out for several weeks. So the
injuries have taken a toll. But even before all these injuries,
they were inconsistent.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
So stop Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio.
And by the way, the Brewers are wearing the light
blue hats tonight. So what what what hat do you
think I should buy? That's the big question.
Speaker 5 (45:01):
First of all, you should leverage this thing by given
a hat to me.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
I agree. But the problem you're giving a hat is
you can't pick which one you want, you know, and
I I need it. I want the fitted one. I
want like the real deal one. So and like if
somebody gives you a hat, you can't go like, nah,
I want that one. I want the I really want
to fit. I want the fitted one.
Speaker 5 (45:24):
So is it the light blue one like the City
Connect one or the white blue one with the traditional
glove that has the MB. Which is it?
Speaker 1 (45:33):
It's the light blue one they're wearing right now. Is
the light blue one with the MB? I believe that's
what And they're down in the field kind of below me.
Murph didn't have a hat on when he was up here,
so that one I like. But I do think I
need to get the I need to get the two
tone with the navy and then the yellow brim. That
would be that. That's I think that's my first Joe,
(45:54):
that's it's the first choice. And I didn't admit to
Murph that that. I was like, it's like six weeks
ago was I first figured out that that's actually an MB?
Or should I go the solid navy blue with the NB.
Speaker 5 (46:08):
I think that's the traditional look.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
Right, I know it is, But what's the right decision here?
Speaker 5 (46:15):
Probably the traditional to be, just to play it.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
Safe, is the two tones? Not traditional?
Speaker 5 (46:21):
And by the way, yeah, I think the the two
tone with the yellow.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
Actually is the MK. That's what they're wearing now. Now I
saw them turn around and.
Speaker 5 (46:28):
See, okay, so that's the City Connect thing.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
They're wearing the City Connect hats. I can't tell they
were in the City Connect Jersey tonight or they're just
wearing some blue like warm up warm up kind of tops.
Speaker 5 (46:38):
Now, when they went to the World Series in eighty two,
I think they were wearing the yellow front with the
MB glove and the blue brim, right, those a two tone?
Speaker 1 (46:49):
Yeah, yeah, those are the ones. That's now the alternate
alternate authentic and the home authentic is the All Navy.
That's the question, what to do? What to do?
Speaker 7 (47:03):
All right?
Speaker 1 (47:03):
Well, maybe we'll answer that one and you can answer
it on social media as well. At Gottlieb Show. We
got it. We got what one hundred dollar bet on
throwing a strike? Is that what we got, yes, sir,
several hundred dollars bets
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