July 17, 2024 • 47 mins
On a Wednesday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug talks about the recent episode of HBO's Hard Knocks Giants Off-season and explains how the Giants ended up looking a little silly in the way the Saquon Barkley exit was handled.
In this week's version of "The Midway" Doug and the crew discuss sports movies that passed the smell test.
Doug and the crew discuss the MLB All-Star uniforms. Doug welcomes MLB Analyst and former big league outfielder Jeff Francoeur onto the show to discuss the All-Star game, the second half of the season and about Pure Athlete: a platform and podcast that empowers parents, coaches, and the next generation of athletes to navigate the complex culture of youth sports.
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Speaker 2 (00:38):
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Speaker 1 (00:41):
I am completely and utterly fired up at at this show.
Last night we had the All Start Major League Baseball
All Star Game. That was I guess interesting, I mean, like,
you know, the best. The best part of it was
the fact that we're discussing the uniforms, and the uniforms
kind of distracted us.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Whoever won the MVP.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
I still don't know what team the MVP played for,
who it actually is, because you needed to go like, oh,
he plays for the I don't really know. We'll dive
into that one as it comes, but I do want
to react to something else that's been on TV. It's
Hard Knocks off season, which has been great because the
Giants have probably told us a little bit too much, right.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
The Giants have been overshareres with this stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Joel Shane is their general manager and in the previous
Hard Knocks he had a conversation with Saquon Barkley saying
we're gonna let you play the market, and then he
wanted Saquon Barkley to come back to him and tell
him what the market was. Okay, when they were trying
to learn what the market actually is and found out
(01:48):
what the market actually is, well, then they ended up
being really essentially a million dollars short of where the
Eagles were. But I thought this was this is the
this is the part that everybody is reacting to. This
is Joel Shane and John Marra, who's of course the
(02:09):
owner of the New York Giants, in terms of updating
what they know and when they knew it.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
With their star running back, what's the latest?
Speaker 3 (02:24):
I just got a text that Chicago's driving the price
up and Phillies out.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
I don't know if that's true or.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
Not, which I don't know.
Speaker 6 (02:30):
If that, I'll make a couple of calls.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
I don't even know if that's gonna gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
But I have a tough time sleep and if Sion
goes to philadel the outside of that, as I've told you,
just being off, I have been around enough players, but
he's the most popular player we have by far.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Uh, he's the most popular player we have by far.
And apparently he's not gonna be sleeping well because yeah,
I mean, by now we all know he is in
fact going to be a Philadelphia Eagle. And what's interesting
about that one is that there's a lot.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Going on here.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
I know people think that this is dysfunction. I've heard
that before. I think Cowherd said that earlier today. The
reality is, this is function. This is how things work.
When you let somebody play the open market, and you
tell them they can play the open market, and you
ask them to come back. Hey man, we really want
you to come back, and you know, and allow us
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to meet whatever the highest bid is. And you know,
really they were right there in the ballpark. But anytime
you do that, you run the risk of losing a player.
You let a guy get out into the open market,
and that's what has a tendency to happen. I just
I love it. I think this is really really how
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it works. And I honestly think the mistake was as
much the Giant says it was, you have all of
that positive equity playing with the New York Giants and
you threw it all out the window for what for
a million dollars, which I mean again, in the reality
(04:14):
is had you simply gone to John Merra and said,
we're a million off. If you make me whole, I
will stay. I'll be a Giant forever. Had you done
those things, this would be a rap. We always blame
the organization, but why is organization to blame when the
(04:34):
numbers are essentially the same. There was there was no
like seismic gap between the two teams. Now the seismic gap,
and yeah, Joel Shane sitting there going I just got
a message.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
It felt a.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Little hackish, it did, but that's again, honestly the way
it works, because no matter what Saquon's agent or Saquon
tells you, the fact is you don't you can't necessarily
trust it or take it at face value. You have
to ask all different sources. It came off as weird,
It came off as a little bit you know, it
(05:15):
came off as a little inexperienced. But when he tells
the guy, hey, we want you to give us a
shot to match whatever you get and then they're within
a million dollars and didn't feel like they got a
chance to match. This to me, feels like Saquon was
in his own feelings, whether it was over last year
when they had the running backs get together, or however
(05:35):
it was handled this year, but the Giants weren't far
off the numbers again, essentially the exact same numbers, and
whatever the total is, if it's a million dollars, if
you can't go to John Merrow, who admits that you're
most popular player and doesn't want you to go to
the Giants, if you don't have the balls, pick up
(05:55):
the phone and go, hey, man, listen, I've loved playing
for you. I want to be a giant. You said
you want to be a bit of a giant. We're
off by a million dollars? Can you get me a
million five? If you can do that, I'll be a
Giant for life. And this is in many ways the
same conversation you know I'll have at the end of
the season with my players, You know those guys in
(06:18):
college sports. You can be a free agent just about
any year, But do you want to hand over the
sweat equity you have, especially when you're Saquon Barkley a
beloved member of the New York Giants. I mean, think
about Tiki Barber isn't necessarily even beloved, And look at
his post career career, and at least a good portion
(06:41):
of it is because he was a New York Giant
for life. He was a really good player, and he
went through his own time when he was a malcontent.
He went through his own time where he struggled with
the organization, but because of his tie to the organization,
he's forever a Giant. You go to the Philadelphia Eagles
and you're dead to the Giants.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
You just are.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
You're dead to Giant fans. You can't put the lipstick
back in the tube after that one. There's lots of
teams you can go to. There's a difference in financial value.
You can go and seek if you're ten million dollars
apart everybody's going to go. I totally understand if you're
one million dollar apart, and most of the details of
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the deals, if you've looked at them, are exactly the same.
Well now it changes very much, and all this information
is readily available. You know, Saquon Barkley is playing for
the Eagles, and yes, John mara is going to lose
sleep at night. And Joel Shane did look a little
bit new.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
At this sort of negotiation.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
He wouldn't appear as strong as I think many people
would like him. But the reality is Saquon easily could
be a giant today making a little bit more money
than he's making. But he never pushed the envelope. And
I'm sure at least a portion of it is the
bitterness in I can't believe the hoops I had to
jump through to get this money to begin with. Okay,
(08:10):
but when out on the free market, the best deal
you could get was the Philadelphia Eagles, and it's basically
the same deal as the New York Giants. It tells
you the Giants weren't far off. This happens at a
lot of places. It happens in my industry. I'm guessing
it happens in yours. And one of the challenges for
the Giants moving forward is the guys you have. The
(08:32):
guys you have. You know, the most important recruits you
have are the ones on campus. The most important guys
you have are the ones within your facility. You got
to make them feel the love so that if you're
because your first contract offer is always going to be
well short of what they want. No one just walks
in and goes like, hey, what do you want? Oh, great,
We're going to give you that plus one hundred thousand dollars.
That doesn't happen in real life. In real life, there
(08:53):
is a bottom line. In real life, you have to negotiate.
In the NFL real life, you have a salary cap
and you have to abide by that salary. Yeah, the
Giants weren't far off. I just I find it really
interesting that no one but for me, has pointed out
that Sakuon Barkley said, I don't value my relationship with
the Giants, because if you did, you wouldn't take a
(09:14):
deal that's essentially the same with a little bit more money,
especially when the GM told you, Hey, whatever you get,
come back to us and we'd like to give a
chance to match.
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Speaker 2 (09:41):
It's no white tire buye should make well come in.
I hope you're having a great day up here in
northeast Wisconsin.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Kind of feels like an early fall day. You don't
w need to do something, right is when they ask
you back. It's like when you get the second date
sort of thing.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Right.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
I gotta point out, I think I must be really
really good, really good at this store out the first
pitch thing, because know the Brewers did not ask me back,
although you know they're probably saving that one. I'm probably
saving that one for playoffs, you know, playoff baseball probably
be back.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
I mean, I'm just I'm I'm that good.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
But the Green Bay Rockers, okay, the minor league team,
I'm throw out the first pitch tonight for that. So
pretty excited about that one. Hey, that one's in Green Bay,
So I think I'm gonna work a breaking ball in tonight.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Jase too.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
I think that's what I go do you know? I actually, honestly,
I really didn't. I really didn't throw a fastball last time.
So this time I'm gonna probably try and throw the heat.
Like if you skip one in minor league baseball, it's okay,
you just can't skip one when you're when you're with
the Brewers.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
I mean, we haven't even discussed what happened on Friday.
The only footage I've seen is of you throwing the ball.
I don't. I didn't see where the ball went. Was
that on purpose?
Speaker 2 (11:05):
No, I didn't tell anybody what to shoot or how
to shoot it. I don't care. I didn't rear back
and throw it hard. I felt like I rushed it.
There were several people throwing out first pitches, so you
feel you get out there, You're like, I got to
like do my deal and get out of here.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
It was high.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
It wasn't crazy, but it over the plate probably you know,
six inches too high, maybe more.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
It wasn't a rocket. Wasn't the best I could do,
but I did.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
I got to warm up the the bat boys and
the ball boys out in right field and I got
balled a mint. I got to warm up, so I
felt like I was loose. But then I tell you
run out there and you step on the mound, You're like,
this is totally different than warming up on flat surface.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
So anyway, let let's get to the midway. It's not
getting the middle. It's time for the middle, the midway. Okay, there,
Jason Stewart, we told you we were going to waste
some time and talk sports movies, which isn't really wasting time,
although it kind of is. What angle do you want
(12:08):
to take in these sports movies?
Speaker 5 (12:10):
You know?
Speaker 4 (12:10):
What I was watching? I was watching Moneyball recently, and
I remember at the time Moneyball the book when it
came out, I'm like, I wonder, I wonder how they're
going to make a movie out of this book because
it's there are so many things about the book that
have nothing to do with you know, like visuals and
(12:32):
on field baseball. It's a lot about numbers and analytics
and explaining what analytics are. And I'm like, how are
they going to turn this into a movie? And they did,
and I think it's an underrated sports movie, Like it's
so well done. I want to say Aaron Sorkin wrote
the screenplay. Ryan could help me out on that, But
I think it was really good. And I'm thinking, like,
(12:55):
what sports movies and this is what I look for.
Maybe we could do this from like our experience what
sports movies like past the smelts us as far as
real being as genuine, Yeah, as real and authentic as
it actually is. How about that? Well, we have opinions
on that.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Well, there was a lot of There was a lot
of real in Blue Chips. And one of the things
they did in Blue Chips that was cool with the
basketball scenes look like they're real because they used a
high school gym in Indiana and they had some of
the best graduating college players and some pros just play,
then just play, and then they captured the footage of it,
(13:38):
so it wasn't it wasn't like Carlton trying.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
To play basketball like it was real basketball. I thought
that was a good one.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
I remember that, And so I think what you're getting
to though, is that the actual fall of the movie
was that the plot line was pretty ridiculous, right, It
was kind of over the top and cliched, and how.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
They no, I mean, honestly, I think there was a
lot of that. Like I know of a I know
of a school that a lot of it ended up mirroring.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
You know, they didn't get anybody a tractor, but it
was an older coach who similarly needed to win and
similarly sold his soul. I think he was fired at
the end of the year anyway, So that one's actually happened.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
I think it was a little bit over top of
the other stuff.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Uh, he got game was over the top in terms
of the visit to college.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
By the way, Uh, it's blue chips, right. A lot
of people don't know this, and only you would be
familiar with us probably, uh Brea Olinda standout. Kevin Walker
is one of the guys, like one of the extras
playing playing ball.
Speaker 6 (14:47):
Yeah, Kevin Walker, right, Kevin Keith's older brother.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
What to U c l A Yeah, Uh and then
I think it's Keith or Kevin one of their sons
is really I I think not a lot of top
mentioned my name, but talented player, like recruitable athlete right
now in Alabama. So I just thought you'd know that.
I guess I could talk about it because there's a
pre existent relationship there.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Yeah, let's offline about that yep, Rian you got in
and what sports movies past smell test for you? What's
most Selthonte?
Speaker 8 (15:18):
Now, this is kind of a guilty pleasure of mine.
I know it's not the greatest baseball movie ever, but
it's my personal favorite baseball movie, and that is Major League.
Speaker 6 (15:29):
I love that movie.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
Who doesn't.
Speaker 8 (15:32):
You'd be surprised. There's a lot of people out there
with bad taste. Who Well, you have bad taste, Doug. No,
you love Major League, Doug, I've.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Heard love Major League. It's like an that's an old timer.
Old timer? What about a pass to the smell test?
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Exactly? I think that's where question.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
I think you're like really.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Like it's like a like a guy pulls up in
a Volkswagen half rolls Royce and comes to town and
out of a bed that they move in the middle
of the night because he's not really a camp invitd
he wakes up and in his pajamas he beats people
in a in a race to first base.
Speaker 8 (16:18):
Hey, I never said the movie was realistic. I'd have
said it's my personal thing A close second. But is
Bull Durham for me?
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Bulldurham, I got no problem and Bull Durham seems to
pass a little bit more of the smell test, right.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Yes, I agree, it's all Costner. He looks like he's
played ball. Nukluche is ridiculous. His wind up and delivered
this ridiculous. But I will say that Tim Robbins playing
Nuklalush underrated uh performance. Almost every scene he steals with
just kind of his humor and his antics. That's my
(16:54):
favorite sports movie of all time.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
I have a realistic one. Have you ever seen? Was it?
Speaker 8 (17:01):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Vision Quest? You've never seen Vision Questions?
Speaker 4 (17:08):
I don't think so. Wrestling wasn't my thing, and and
the Madonna sound soundtrack didn't draw me in.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
You need to watch that. That's a great eighties flick,
is it? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Vision Quests?
Speaker 2 (17:24):
No chance? Ryan? Have you seen it?
Speaker 6 (17:26):
Yes, it's you know, it's a decent movie, Doug. It's
not bad.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Okay, there you go. I like I like Vision Quest.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
I'm trying to think what others give me the sport?
And I can tell you the movie a leak of
their own appears like I don't know you guys have
seen any of the footage of of the Women's Professional
Baseball League, But it actually appears to be.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Fairly realistic. Fairly realistic.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Yeah, if of the movie was okay, it's a pretty
good job, you know.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
I Mean one of my favorite one is Remember the Titans.
Speaker 9 (18:02):
I was gonna mention that one.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Yeah, I probably remember Titans. Didn't they run a reverse? Went?
They were all like the fifty yard line to win
the game.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
And You're like, who would possibly run a reverse the
fifty yard line to win a game? Like that would
never win you a game, right, like you throw a
hail Mary into the inzel?
Speaker 5 (18:20):
Right?
Speaker 8 (18:20):
No?
Speaker 10 (18:20):
But the uh yeah, all of my favorite sports movies
are the ridiculous ones. So that's why I'm having a
hard time here as to which one smells, you know,
passes the smell test. But I did think of Remember
the Titans. This is the closest one for me because
I just like my ridiculous sports.
Speaker 9 (18:35):
Movies like Dodgeball. Does that one toss the smell test?
Speaker 2 (18:39):
No, it's funny as hell, but it's not.
Speaker 9 (18:42):
It's so good.
Speaker 6 (18:44):
It's the basketball? How about that one?
Speaker 9 (18:46):
Ridiculous? Well, I'm absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Basketball is not a real sport.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
So if there was a real sport called basketball, I
think it would be exactly like that, so it may
pass the smell test more than we think even Oh.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Yes it is.
Speaker 9 (19:01):
That's a good one. It was like a million dollar baby.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Oh that was awesome. Baby's great.
Speaker 9 (19:07):
Yeah, yeah, you know what that was.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
That's a really good one.
Speaker 9 (19:10):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Very underrated? Well, I don't know if it's underrated. I
think it won the Best Picture.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
But you can't be underrated with some people have forgotten
about it.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
That's fair.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Yeah, but I would yeah, definitely, Jason. You can't say
something's underrated if it won the Amy Award.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
Yes, the best Rocky three.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
That was the whole Holgan one, right, mister T.
Speaker 6 (19:32):
My friend and I pitied.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Hulk Hogan's also in it, Ryan.
Speaker 6 (19:37):
Yes, I know, Doug. Yes, but no one thinks it.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
No, no, no, no, no, no, no no no. You
were so eager to pounce on Jason. Yes for saying,
mister T. Yes, you should have said yes. And mister
T said.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
One said the Huan movie. No one does that.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Now.
Speaker 6 (19:55):
You can't find me one person going to.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Say the whole Hogan movie. He didn't say the whole
Holgan movie.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
The first name should pop up should be mister T.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
What was mister T's character's name blubber Lang. Where's clubter
Lang from?
Speaker 6 (20:09):
I don't know who cares?
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Chicago? Okay, what was his prediction? Pain? Pain pain? The
biggest issue with mister T was at that point in
time he was the nation's biggest badass. Although mister T,
have you ever met him in person?
Speaker 6 (20:26):
Yes, he's very nice, he's super nice.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
He's tiny, well.
Speaker 6 (20:31):
Now he is, guys like seventy years old.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
He's never been big.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
He's just not a big fella, right, like neither is
Sevester Saloon, although he was all juice step.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Or whatever, allegedly allegedly, but just in general, I don't
think the I don't think the Rocky movies passed the
smell test. Right. There are utter lack of defense in
those championship fights. It's very questionable. You won't play defense
with you got all? You got?
Speaker 2 (20:57):
You got it, you good, so you got.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Anybody gets punched in the face that many times not
only has brain damage, but it's dead by the end
of the fight.
Speaker 6 (21:08):
Well, that doesn't happen the series. Rocky does have brain damage.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Yeah, yo yo, I probably shouldn't take all the shots before,
you know, was there a soccer one that's realistic. Bend
it like Beckham.
Speaker 9 (21:22):
I mean it was realistic. I mean it was fun.
I don't know if it was realistic. But did it
jump the shark badly? And maybe not either?
Speaker 2 (21:31):
What was the what was the movie? Jason? Again, I
think this is eighties?
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Uh with the It wasn't a prison break, but they
were weren't they POW's or something.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
They were playing in? Were they just playing internationally and
they stored in the field. Pele was in the movie.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
Oh that was called Victory with Sylvester Stallone. Yeah, yeah,
Sylvester Stone was a goaltender peiway was it took place?
And I want to say it was in Germany? They
were American prisoners in Germany.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
It could totally happen.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
By the way, Mike just submitted blood Sport. What do
we what do we think of blood Sport?
Speaker 9 (22:12):
Blood Sport?
Speaker 5 (22:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (22:15):
You never seen blood Sport? No?
Speaker 9 (22:17):
I haven't. Am I missing out?
Speaker 5 (22:18):
Yes?
Speaker 9 (22:19):
Okay it's a boxing movie.
Speaker 6 (22:22):
Yeah, not a boxing movie.
Speaker 9 (22:24):
What is it? Fighting?
Speaker 4 (22:25):
Yes?
Speaker 9 (22:25):
Okay, fighting? Okay, squeeze me squeeze No, Jean Claude vent
damn okay, John.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Blood Sport was essentially UFC before ufc right, that was
the idea of it. So yeah, I can't say I've
ever seen a blood sport whatever. But I trying to
think basketball movies that were that were realistic.
Speaker 9 (22:54):
Coach Carter, Uh sure not air Bud. I loved air.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Airbud could happen?
Speaker 4 (23:06):
Yeah, did that pass the smell test any of the
air buds? Because didn't they do an airbud forever Sport?
Speaker 9 (23:12):
I don't know. I only watched the first one. It
was great.
Speaker 6 (23:16):
Above the rim of two Foxy Core, how about that one?
Speaker 5 (23:19):
Right?
Speaker 2 (23:20):
The rooms?
Speaker 4 (23:20):
Al Right, there was a movie in the seventies called
Gus is a Disney movie.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
No, it's uh rudy, it's no amazing Grace, amazing Grace
and Gus right or amazing Yeah, it was actually I
like that. I'd love the kid. Alex English was in it. No,
it was amazing Grace in Chuck, not Gus my dad.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
Yeah, you're conflating. I'm thinking of the one with Don Notts.
And then Gus was a donkey who coocked field goals,
so it's very realistic.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
That could totally happen. What about what about have you
ever seen a donkey? Have you ever seen a donkey
kick a field goal. No, so we don't know what
it would actually look like. It's a little love baseball
that could be exactly what looks like a donkey cool.
Speaker 9 (24:00):
Runnings, Cool runnings?
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Yeah, yeah, sort of.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
What was the movie where the guy was the former.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Hockey player and the figure skater needed a partner?
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Cutting Edge?
Speaker 9 (24:19):
Nice?
Speaker 2 (24:20):
I like Cutting Edge was really good.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Yeah, And and she was always saying, every time you
mess up, she's a toe pick, because apparently figure skaters
have a toepick.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
And hockey players that aren't used to the toepick. That's
how you stop and plant and jump. So yeah, I'll
submit that one with a little support from Ryan.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
Cutting Edge, sweet, cutting Edge.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Cutting Edge. So we've gotten hockey and I got one. No no, no, no, no,
wait wait.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Wait come on, man, I had a good one. Why
am I think it's another Kevin Costner? Why why am
I blanking golf movie? Cheech merrit tin Cup? I like
tin Cup.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
I thought there was some.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Reality to it, you know, I agree, keep hitting the
ball in the drink though at the US Open we've
kind of seen it, but not to that level. But yeah, anyway,
and that's that's the that's the middle, the midway, not
the middle midway Midway.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
There we go. That's what I'm looking for.
Speaker 7 (25:23):
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Speaker 2 (25:34):
Stug Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
So, Jason, I'm gonna give you credit because I think
you kind of nailed it when we were talking about it.
Second straight day. You've You've done really well for yourself.
You can come back for a third straight day, which
is we're discussing the Major League Baseball All Star Game.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
And it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
I was listening to Dan Patrick this morning and he
said it felt like a softball game. That's it was
exactly what I thought. Like, I was flip, I've been
around last night. My new neighbors invited us over by
me over for dinner and had dinner, came home, flipped
on the All Star Game and I'm flipping around and
I was like, well, there's the baseball game.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
There's a baseball game.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
But I thought I was watching the you know that
home run derby they have, and then maybe I thought
it was the Future Stars game. It just didn't look
like a Major League Baseball Then I heard the voices
and I was like, oh, okay, this is the All Star Game.
And then I settled in and I watched for a
little bit, but I couldn't identify. It's hard enough in
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baseball to identify the players.
Speaker 8 (26:39):
You know.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
One of the great things that Fox has always done
when they're broadcasting baseball, and I don't know if people
will know this is Fox is famous for those tight
close ups of pitchers and managers and emotions and people
in the people in the stands as well, and you know,
outside of Paul's skins, like they start throwing up random picture,
(26:59):
I'm like, I don't know who that is.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
And then they have a random uniform in I don't
know who that is. I couldn't have been the only
one who thought that way.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
And it's weird because I realized those uniforms are kind
of cool, right you a blue and the pink ones.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
I've seen the hats. They're kind of cool.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
The problem is they don't look in any way, in
any way like identifiable Major League Baseball All Star uniforms.
Like this is just overthinking it. And this is just
one of those cases that in life and we're all
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going to learn this at some point in time.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
I said it with Saquon Barkle.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Maybe this is the theme of the show, which is
Saquon Barkley could make a million dollars more.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
And a million dollars is a lot of money. And
people can always go like, well, what about post Texas
post texts a half million dollars in it's probably okay, fine, Like,
ask anybody in the street, would you prefer to make
a million or you know, post tax or not make
a million. Everybody's like, well, I'd make make a million, okay.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
I mean so regardless of pre task, post tax, post tax,
it's six hundred thousand dollars. Okay, that's six you know,
that's still a lot more money. But what do you
lose with that money in comparison to what you would
have made had you stayed with the Giants. The same
thing is true with Major League Baseball. Why do they
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do these horrendous alternative uniforms that are never worn before
and never worn after? Well because they can sell them
in every the Major League Baseball park in the league
and make a little bit more money. But whatever amount
they make more, even if it is several million dollars,
and I can't think it's that much more. Whatever amount
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they make more, is that worth it? Because I couldn't
identify a single player just watching when they when they
showed all nine players out there in the batter in
the battle's box, There's no way I couldn't identify it.
I couldn't have been the only one. Jay ste you
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brought it up, so I guess, I guess you're right
there as well. Right like you couldn't identify a single guy.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
No, I mean I could identify them. You just have to.
You kind of have to strain your eyes a little bit.
It's kind of like during the regular season. This has
been a frustration of mine. Like I have been watching
and following baseball for over four decades, and I know
baseball and I'm passionate about it, and I tune into
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like just a regular Wednesday game or I'll be watching
highlights on ESPN, and I can't identify the team based
on their colors, the city connects or whatever, and the
alternatives and everything else frustrate me. Like, like an older
baseball fan, I can only imagine, and I'm pay to
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follow sports. I can only imagine how frustrated. It is
for like a cat usual baseball fan to tune in
last night and just be like, who are these guys? Who?
I mean, that's the frustrating part. I think baseball is
trying to be like the other two most popular sports.
The problem is, like people are just much more familiar
(30:16):
with NBA players and the way they look, and football
players as well, even though they're wearing the helmets, they're
just more identifiable. Baseball doesn't have that luxury anymore.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
I would agree, Monte. Did you like the uniforms?
Speaker 9 (30:32):
The uniforms were rough. They're just rough.
Speaker 10 (30:36):
I think you hit it right on the money, though
this is trying too hard.
Speaker 9 (30:40):
Yeah, clearly you were.
Speaker 10 (30:42):
Thinking, you know, we're going to sell because we have
a new uniform, but I don't know who's gonna buy this.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
I mean, think of all the things that trying too hard.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Yeah, I mean, like you remember when Cowherd first came
on to Fox. Do you guys remember when he and
it wasn't It wasn't. Colin's idea has never been a
but somebody gave him the idea of dyeing his hair
like brown, and it was it was tough to watch
people do that with their teeth where they get those
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veneers and it's just trying too hard.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
It's like, dude, what are you doing? You know, what
are you doing?
Speaker 1 (31:18):
In many ways, you know, fake hair guy, whether they
get the transplant whatever, Like a lot of times guys
are trying too hard and look, you can run my fingers.
You're like, dude, it doesn't look it doesn't look real.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
What are you doing? You know, people try too hard.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
I mean La really is the center of trying too hard,
you know, but you just try too hard to be
something you're not. Your baseball have price stick out your chest,
Like what's cool about baseball? All the different uniforms, all
the different stadiums, all the different hats, Like.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
That's what's cool by baseball? Yeah, you know baseball.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
It's like, oh, we've been the same for one hundred years. Yeah,
and you know what, Fine, lean into who you are,
don't try and be something different.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
It was as if.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
It was as if Tron had a baseball game. I
almost was waiting for some sort of glowing the dark
ball and it was just too much. And for me,
who I've become a casual baseball fan. I love baseball.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
I've been this.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
You know, I've been an Angel game this year, Dodger
game this year, and I've been to several Brewers games
as well.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Like I'm I'm not Jason, I'm not.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Monsey, but like baseball, but dude, I couldn't tell you
who anybody is because they're not identifiable without a uniform,
you know.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
I mean, yeah, I know who Aaron.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Judges, and yeah I know Paul Skens is, and yeah,
I know who some of these guys are. But and
we played this game here, She's like, who the hell's
the Angel when Mike Trout's on the All Star Game?
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Right, Like, you can't identify them at least?
Speaker 1 (32:45):
If what's the purpose, by the way, of having a
guy from every team, If we don't know who that
guy from your team is, I do what I understand.
That's somebody who goes they're in a meeting and somebody
tells the commissioner, hey, we got some new uniforms.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Let's see him.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
And somebody says, like, you know, guys, I don't know. Yeah,
I don't know either, but you know what, we can
make five million dollars more out of this deal, Like
five million dollars we allways do it Meanwhile, what you
lose is equity to their fans, identifiability with your fans,
and kind of any sort of history and lore. Just
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felt like a swing and miss last night. Let's get
to Monci Belogno's find out what else is going on?
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Monce, What do you got?
Speaker 9 (33:31):
Real quick?
Speaker 10 (33:32):
Still on this All Star Game, I was driving, so
I was listening to it on the radio, and I
laughed so hard because everybody was waiting for Paul Skiings
to face Aaron Judge and then he hit into a
double play and it was over.
Speaker 9 (33:48):
One pitch hit it to the third basement double play.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
And it was over.
Speaker 10 (33:52):
And I was like, wow, we were waiting for this
moment and it was over in fifteen seconds, and uh,
it don't get any better.
Speaker 9 (34:01):
I feel like it was just like, oh, there was
a good boy hits. It was everything I heard. It's
just seemed very, very.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
And just like the uniforms, that's baseball, that's fas Jeff
frank Cour joins us. Of course MLB analysts from big
league outfielders. Of course, who doesn't remember when he came
up with the Braves and was unbelievable from the from
the jump.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Uh, he's with pure athlete. We'll talk to him about
what that's about.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
In the meantime, he joins us here on the Doug
Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
So, wait, who's the golf coach that you're related to?
Speaker 5 (34:32):
Lee Ranky Man the women's and men's golf coach up there.
So I've actually got to look at you know, I'm
I'm a I'm a fan man, So I'll be pumped
up to follow y'all this year. First off, congratulations to.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
You too, Thank you, thank you. We're gonna get you
to a game.
Speaker 5 (34:47):
Oh absolutely, come up man, And uh, you know I've
been a huge fan obviously yours your show, but to
have you there, and I know, you know, my uncle
has done a great job with what a golf program
up there and having a lot of fun doing it.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Yeah, he's he's as you know, he's worked through some
health stuff, so we have him. But he's a he's
a fighter, and he's an awesome dude. And I see
him just about just about every day. Jeffrankcour joints just
as a former Big leaguer. What'd you think of the
uniforms last night?
Speaker 5 (35:19):
Oh my god, they were hideous. I mean hideous, and
you know what's weird is like you know, a lot
of times with where you're at, they try to make it,
you know, be part of what it is. But I
just thought, you know, Texas, you know, you always hear
everybody does it bigger in Texas, and I just thought
they would have had something. I mean, those were tough
to look at.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Man, why not just have the regular uniforms? I don't understand,
but I.
Speaker 5 (35:44):
Missed those days. I agree. I missed the days where
the players wore their uniforms. Everybody knows what leagues are in,
you know. I mean it's not like it's a it's
a big issue. I think it's cool and they do
it like the National League jerseys. It literally looked like
the Marlins. It looked like it was like the All
Star Game was in Miami or something. But you're very confusing.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Yeah, I mean, you know what that's about.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Somebody, somebody told them they can make a little bit
more money doing it, And I just don't think there's
any there is an amount where it's enough to go like, okay,
that makes sense. I don't think there's enough of those
jerseys sold to where it makes sense.
Speaker 5 (36:16):
You know, you don't think. But then again, I say
I didn't like it, and there's my year old son.
Those things are awesome, you know, Like, what the heck
do I know?
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Yeah, although did he go to you and say can
I order one?
Speaker 5 (36:27):
No, he did not say that, you're right, And even
if he did, I tell him.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Sorry, Bud, you have a lot Stut Gottlieb show here
on Fox Sports Radio. Jeffrancore is our is our guest, Okay,
let's do our. My producer is one of the biggest
Dodger fans on Earth, and they have an obvious need
for pitching. So but you have this ridiculous lineup with
ridiculous talent. If you're the Dodgers, what do you do
(36:55):
as you're not a lock to make the postseason, but
you're essentially a lot?
Speaker 2 (36:59):
What do you do Interns to your.
Speaker 5 (37:00):
Staff, You've got I tell you what, Doug, It's incredible.
You know, me and Brian Anderson, who I know is
a buddy yours too. We did the Dodger Phillies two
weeks ago and we sat in David Roberts' office and
it's unbelievable when Dave sits there and docs is going
through well, we're not going to have him. We're not
going to have him.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
We're not going to have him.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
And this kind of comes down to, right like what
we saw for them from the playoffs last year, just
like the Braves have all this offense, but you didn't
have the starting pitching to go on the postseason. And
when you're going up against the Phillies and your faith
and Zach Wheeler your face and Aaron Nola your faith
and rangers are you have to have arms out there.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Now.
Speaker 5 (37:34):
I think look, Glass now is going to be fine.
I mean his is more. I think, you know, a
little break, just get back. But the fact of the
matter is, you know, you got other guys that you
just don't know. And as good as that lineup is
and as many runs as they score, you know as
well as I do, and you face as Zach Wheeler,
you have to have someone on the other side that
can keep you in that ball game too, to give
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you a chance to capitalize with some big hits, with
difffferent things. And you know that's where I mean I've
said it. From there, they have to make sure when
they go in October they have three starters that can
go and can can go deep into games. If they
do that, they have every chance in the world, especially
when Mookie comes back to win that World Series. But
(38:17):
if you don't know who your game two or Game
three starter is, man, it's to me it's so tough
to run the gauntlet. Now in the postseason.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. You mentioned
Brian Anderson. He also covers the Brewers. I got a
chance to spend some time with them, and they're another
team just massive injuries to their pitching staff, but they've
been able to do it. You know, they do it
with a completely different financial scale. It does feel like
it's starting to catch up with them, right Like Freddie
(38:45):
Peralta was mashed by the Nationals. He seems to be
running on a little bit of fumes. Can they keep
this going despite how depleted they've been by injury?
Speaker 5 (38:54):
Well, I think, Look, I think you make a great point.
I think the biggest answer is going to be is
anybody is good enough to run them down or to
keep it going. But I would worry more for them,
Like you get to the postseason, you know that's a
tough thing. It's one thing to get there, but who
are the teams that can really get over the hump.
And look, I even said this last year, you know
we did the NLCS and watching the Diamondbacks. Yes they
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did not have a great offense. They didn't, but they
had three legit starters and they had three guys in
the bullpen that were lockdown guys, and that can take you,
you know, all the way to the World Series like
it did. Now they caught Texas who was really hot.
But that's going to be the thing. Man, you have
to have arms in the postseason. I just you know,
I'm an offensive guy. I love it, but I also
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grew up a Brave fan here in the nineties and
had the Mattic Smulti Glaven days where it's like that
was the recipe to you know, run off all those
division titles. And so that's that's the Milwaukee got to
add at the deadline with arms their offensive. Fine, yeah,
let's contral. They got plenty of firepower to me to
(39:58):
be opportunistic, but they need an armor two.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Obviously, Braves are in position for a wild card, but
as far as the division, they're a good eight and
a half back of the Phillies. How would you characterize
the Braves to date.
Speaker 5 (40:12):
You know, I told someone this the other day. Everybody
said they were the greatest team in baseball last year
and looked offensively, they were incredible last year. The years
that guys put up Ronald Akunya obviously the MVP. But
they got to Game three of the postseason against the
Phillies and they didn't know who their starter was going
to be. And so I think if you saw the
three all starts for the Braves is they're three aces
(40:34):
Ronaldo Lopez, Chris sal and Max Free And if those
three are healthy going in the postseason, I think you
saw what Philly's done the last two years. With three
healthy starters, you can do that. So yeah, obviously you
lose Spencer Strider, you lose Akunya. You was two of
the probably what top ten players in the league. It's
tough to replicate that. But if you have those three starters,
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then you feel like with the offense they have and
Riley and Olsen and all these, you know you're gonna
have Azuna with the year he's had, you're going to
have enough to do some So that's why I said again,
you know the Brave and Dodgers for for the last
one four or five years now have been the class
of the National League. But too many times they both
those teams have gone in the postseason and they haven't
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had the pitching to be able to withstand it. And
because of that, you've seen the last two years Man
one and two both years and they both lost in
that you know DS round. So arms is where it's at.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
Arms is where it's at.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
I'm looking at the Orioles and you know, best team
in the American League, and and there's Craig Kimberle at
the back end of that bullpen. Now, look, I just
you've seen him with the Braves, Jason, You've seen him
with the uh with with the Dodgers. He's been doing
this for a long time. We're creeping up on I
think your you're fourteen in the in the bigs. How
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confident are you that come October, Craig Kimberle can deliver
and get him out, get get get four out, you
get three outs and they need it.
Speaker 5 (42:02):
Well, look, the Greig Kimberl I knew when he was
in Atlanta was a whole different story. I mean, that
guy was one hundred. He was that was the top
of his game. But I think he even saw it
last year at Philly. I mean, if you remember that
was Game four there, or started Game three in Arizona
when when he blew it and then it happened, they
ended up bringing him in like what the seventh or
eighth inning in Game five, and I don't know if
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he ever pitched again in a meaningful spot. And you know,
I think Craig Kimberle has such great stuff and he's
been so good for so long. I just think it's
one of those things to me, you have to have
another guy to help protect that, right, Like if it
gets October and he's starting to get tired, you're starting
to see that velocity dip down.
Speaker 4 (42:42):
You.
Speaker 5 (42:42):
I think they're just a lot quicker to pull the
trigger right, and I think that's going to be the key.
That's where I look with the Oriols too. They've given
the Yankees everything they've wanted this year from on standpoint,
the same deal with them, are they going to have
enough pitching to be able to go deep? Because this
is where you really I know people all the time
in baseball, Well, the next two weeks in August is
where you find out if teams have deep enough pitching
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because the innings are starting to add up. Guys are
starting to pitch in one hundred degree you know, heat
all the time. If you don't have depth, now it
will show and you will start to see teams kind
of fall back, and you will see a few teams
do that. It's just a matter who it's going to be.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
Okay, Jeffrian coors our guests here on the Doug Gottlieb
Show on Fox Sports Radio. Pure Athlete is a platform
and a podcast that empowers parents, coaches the next generation
of athletes.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
How does it work.
Speaker 5 (43:33):
Man, It's awesome. We've been doing it for two years now,
about start a third. We've had anywhere from Davos Sweeney
to you know, Misty mad Trainer. We've had Jamal Crawford
just a couple of weeks, Jay Billis. We've had a
lot of these athletes and coaches that my whole thing is, man, right,
I got four kids and I'm in the middle of
coaching them doing this and am I competitive? Absolutely? Do
(43:55):
I want to win, absolutely, But for me it's more,
you know, at the eight, nine, ten, eleven year old ages,
these parents that are forcing these kids to do so
many things you know, three hour practices. You got to play.
You gotta play, you know. And I always hear Geno Ari,
I'm gonna talk about this all the time, and I'm
sure you're a big believer. Is the lost art of practice, right,
(44:15):
the lost started of going out there and learning how
to play, learning how to prepare to play. You know,
I get sports is a billion use. Sports is billions
and billions of dollar business. But my whole thing is
like we're trying to give a platform to parents to
come to, for coaches to come to and kind of say, hey,
there's ways to do this without having to spend thousands
(44:36):
and thousands of dollars to travel everywhere, thousands of dollars
of private lessons. You know what's funny, we had Jamal
Crawford on and you know basketball, even the best ball
hander of our time. I mean, he's incredible, and he
was saying, you know how where I learned that? Not
in a private lesson, not in a practice. I learned
that in my backyard, playing with my buddies and doing
different things.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
So that's that's and and look, I would you shome
on my best I'll come on your pod.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
But I agree, and I disagree. And here's why I
agree that playing in tournaments all the time is not
the best. When you don't practice is not the best idea.
I mean, the biggest thing is they don't actually know
how to practice, haven't actually been pushed really hard, and
they haven't been taught the why, not just to what.
Speaker 5 (45:20):
Right.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
But the other part to it is they do need
to play.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
They just need to, Like I don't want to call
it free play, like we obviously in basketball it's pickup ball.
Like nobody in baseball, and I don't know if baseball
they've ever played, you know, since the fifties and sixties
sand lot baseball. But in basketball, like the only way
you really learn how to play basketball is by playing basketball,
you know. And so like when we do our workouts
and practice, we play five on five why because they
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don't play enough.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
So yes, you have to learn.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
The why and not just to what, but you also
have to play so you understand the nuances of time, scores, situations, spacing,
and everything's different when there's a game and there's some
sort of score. So it's it's a fascinating, fascinating idea.
How can somebody get more information, Well, they.
Speaker 5 (46:06):
Can go on to Pure Athletes, Inc. I NC dot
Com and go. Like I said, we've had podcast man,
We've had mental health experts, nutritionists, and really kind of
the final thing I'll say that's really good on there too,
is that all the athletes we've had on there, man,
growing up were multi sport athletes. And I'm not saying
all the way to their senior of high school, but
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they weren't ten years old just playing one sport year round.
And we have tons of evidence with injury stuff and
all that on there. So I think it's just a
great thing. We love having dialogue. We've had, like I said,
some great athletes just talk about their journeys and now
that they have kids, how they're kind of raising them because,
as I said, you know this, Ja Billis told us
ninety six point two percent of people are done after
(46:50):
high school, so it's kind of what do you want
how to use sports for your kids.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
That's a great point, a great, great point, Jeff, you're
the best, Man.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
Appreciate you joining us.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
Let's let's look forward to chatting on each other's podcast
on this radio show in the very near future.
Speaker 5 (47:06):
I would love to man appreciate it again. Congrats man,
looking forward to.
Speaker 3 (47:09):
It for you.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
All right, Jeff Jeff RANCOORPS. Just just the just the
newest member of Phoenix Nation.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
That's all it is. We're gonna I think we should
do the nation thing.
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Speaker 1 (00:41):
I am completely and utterly fired up at at this show.
Last night we had the All Start Major League Baseball
All Star Game. That was I guess interesting, I mean, like,
you know, the best. The best part of it was
the fact that we're discussing the uniforms, and the uniforms
kind of distracted us.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Whoever won the MVP.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
I still don't know what team the MVP played for,
who it actually is, because you needed to go like, oh,
he plays for the I don't really know. We'll dive
into that one as it comes, but I do want
to react to something else that's been on TV. It's
Hard Knocks off season, which has been great because the
Giants have probably told us a little bit too much, right.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
The Giants have been overshareres with this stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Joel Shane is their general manager and in the previous
Hard Knocks he had a conversation with Saquon Barkley saying
we're gonna let you play the market, and then he
wanted Saquon Barkley to come back to him and tell
him what the market was. Okay, when they were trying
to learn what the market actually is and found out
(01:48):
what the market actually is, well, then they ended up
being really essentially a million dollars short of where the
Eagles were. But I thought this was this is the
this is the part that everybody is reacting to. This
is Joel Shane and John Marra, who's of course the
(02:09):
owner of the New York Giants, in terms of updating
what they know and when they knew it.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
With their star running back, what's the latest?
Speaker 3 (02:24):
I just got a text that Chicago's driving the price
up and Phillies out.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
I don't know if that's true or.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
Not, which I don't know.
Speaker 6 (02:30):
If that, I'll make a couple of calls.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
I don't even know if that's gonna gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
But I have a tough time sleep and if Sion
goes to philadel the outside of that, as I've told you,
just being off, I have been around enough players, but
he's the most popular player we have by far.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Uh, he's the most popular player we have by far.
And apparently he's not gonna be sleeping well because yeah,
I mean, by now we all know he is in
fact going to be a Philadelphia Eagle. And what's interesting
about that one is that there's a lot.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Going on here.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
I know people think that this is dysfunction. I've heard
that before. I think Cowherd said that earlier today. The
reality is, this is function. This is how things work.
When you let somebody play the open market, and you
tell them they can play the open market, and you
ask them to come back. Hey man, we really want
you to come back, and you know, and allow us
(03:31):
to meet whatever the highest bid is. And you know,
really they were right there in the ballpark. But anytime
you do that, you run the risk of losing a player.
You let a guy get out into the open market,
and that's what has a tendency to happen. I just
I love it. I think this is really really how
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it works. And I honestly think the mistake was as
much the Giant says it was, you have all of
that positive equity playing with the New York Giants and
you threw it all out the window for what for
a million dollars, which I mean again, in the reality
(04:14):
is had you simply gone to John Merra and said,
we're a million off. If you make me whole, I
will stay. I'll be a Giant forever. Had you done
those things, this would be a rap. We always blame
the organization, but why is organization to blame when the
(04:34):
numbers are essentially the same. There was there was no
like seismic gap between the two teams. Now the seismic gap,
and yeah, Joel Shane sitting there going I just got
a message.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
It felt a.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Little hackish, it did, but that's again, honestly the way
it works, because no matter what Saquon's agent or Saquon
tells you, the fact is you don't you can't necessarily
trust it or take it at face value. You have
to ask all different sources. It came off as weird,
It came off as a little bit you know, it
(05:15):
came off as a little inexperienced. But when he tells
the guy, hey, we want you to give us a
shot to match whatever you get and then they're within
a million dollars and didn't feel like they got a
chance to match. This to me, feels like Saquon was
in his own feelings, whether it was over last year
when they had the running backs get together, or however
(05:35):
it was handled this year, but the Giants weren't far
off the numbers again, essentially the exact same numbers, and
whatever the total is, if it's a million dollars, if
you can't go to John Merrow, who admits that you're
most popular player and doesn't want you to go to
the Giants, if you don't have the balls, pick up
(05:55):
the phone and go, hey, man, listen, I've loved playing
for you. I want to be a giant. You said
you want to be a bit of a giant. We're
off by a million dollars? Can you get me a
million five? If you can do that, I'll be a
Giant for life. And this is in many ways the
same conversation you know I'll have at the end of
the season with my players, You know those guys in
(06:18):
college sports. You can be a free agent just about
any year, But do you want to hand over the
sweat equity you have, especially when you're Saquon Barkley a
beloved member of the New York Giants. I mean, think
about Tiki Barber isn't necessarily even beloved, And look at
his post career career, and at least a good portion
(06:41):
of it is because he was a New York Giant
for life. He was a really good player, and he
went through his own time when he was a malcontent.
He went through his own time where he struggled with
the organization, but because of his tie to the organization,
he's forever a Giant. You go to the Philadelphia Eagles
and you're dead to the Giants.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
You just are.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
You're dead to Giant fans. You can't put the lipstick
back in the tube after that one. There's lots of
teams you can go to. There's a difference in financial value.
You can go and seek if you're ten million dollars
apart everybody's going to go. I totally understand if you're
one million dollar apart, and most of the details of
(07:25):
the deals, if you've looked at them, are exactly the same.
Well now it changes very much, and all this information
is readily available. You know, Saquon Barkley is playing for
the Eagles, and yes, John mara is going to lose
sleep at night. And Joel Shane did look a little
bit new.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
At this sort of negotiation.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
He wouldn't appear as strong as I think many people
would like him. But the reality is Saquon easily could
be a giant today making a little bit more money
than he's making. But he never pushed the envelope. And
I'm sure at least a portion of it is the
bitterness in I can't believe the hoops I had to
jump through to get this money to begin with. Okay,
(08:10):
but when out on the free market, the best deal
you could get was the Philadelphia Eagles, and it's basically
the same deal as the New York Giants. It tells
you the Giants weren't far off. This happens at a
lot of places. It happens in my industry. I'm guessing
it happens in yours. And one of the challenges for
the Giants moving forward is the guys you have. The
(08:32):
guys you have. You know, the most important recruits you
have are the ones on campus. The most important guys
you have are the ones within your facility. You got
to make them feel the love so that if you're
because your first contract offer is always going to be
well short of what they want. No one just walks
in and goes like, hey, what do you want? Oh, great,
We're going to give you that plus one hundred thousand dollars.
That doesn't happen in real life. In real life, there
(08:53):
is a bottom line. In real life, you have to negotiate.
In the NFL real life, you have a salary cap
and you have to abide by that salary. Yeah, the
Giants weren't far off. I just I find it really
interesting that no one but for me, has pointed out
that Sakuon Barkley said, I don't value my relationship with
the Giants, because if you did, you wouldn't take a
(09:14):
deal that's essentially the same with a little bit more money,
especially when the GM told you, Hey, whatever you get,
come back to us and we'd like to give a
chance to match.
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Speaker 2 (09:41):
It's no white tire buye should make well come in.
I hope you're having a great day up here in
northeast Wisconsin.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Kind of feels like an early fall day. You don't
w need to do something, right is when they ask
you back. It's like when you get the second date
sort of thing.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Right.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
I gotta point out, I think I must be really
really good, really good at this store out the first
pitch thing, because know the Brewers did not ask me back,
although you know they're probably saving that one. I'm probably
saving that one for playoffs, you know, playoff baseball probably
be back.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
I mean, I'm just I'm I'm that good.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
But the Green Bay Rockers, okay, the minor league team,
I'm throw out the first pitch tonight for that. So
pretty excited about that one. Hey, that one's in Green Bay,
So I think I'm gonna work a breaking ball in tonight.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Jase too.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
I think that's what I go do you know? I actually, honestly,
I really didn't. I really didn't throw a fastball last time.
So this time I'm gonna probably try and throw the heat.
Like if you skip one in minor league baseball, it's okay,
you just can't skip one when you're when you're with
the Brewers.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
I mean, we haven't even discussed what happened on Friday.
The only footage I've seen is of you throwing the ball.
I don't. I didn't see where the ball went. Was
that on purpose?
Speaker 2 (11:05):
No, I didn't tell anybody what to shoot or how
to shoot it. I don't care. I didn't rear back
and throw it hard. I felt like I rushed it.
There were several people throwing out first pitches, so you
feel you get out there, You're like, I got to
like do my deal and get out of here.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
It was high.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
It wasn't crazy, but it over the plate probably you know,
six inches too high, maybe more.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
It wasn't a rocket. Wasn't the best I could do,
but I did.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
I got to warm up the the bat boys and
the ball boys out in right field and I got
balled a mint. I got to warm up, so I
felt like I was loose. But then I tell you
run out there and you step on the mound, You're like,
this is totally different than warming up on flat surface.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
So anyway, let let's get to the midway. It's not
getting the middle. It's time for the middle, the midway. Okay, there,
Jason Stewart, we told you we were going to waste
some time and talk sports movies, which isn't really wasting time,
although it kind of is. What angle do you want
(12:08):
to take in these sports movies?
Speaker 5 (12:10):
You know?
Speaker 4 (12:10):
What I was watching? I was watching Moneyball recently, and
I remember at the time Moneyball the book when it
came out, I'm like, I wonder, I wonder how they're
going to make a movie out of this book because
it's there are so many things about the book that
have nothing to do with you know, like visuals and
(12:32):
on field baseball. It's a lot about numbers and analytics
and explaining what analytics are. And I'm like, how are
they going to turn this into a movie? And they did,
and I think it's an underrated sports movie, Like it's
so well done. I want to say Aaron Sorkin wrote
the screenplay. Ryan could help me out on that, But
I think it was really good. And I'm thinking, like,
(12:55):
what sports movies and this is what I look for.
Maybe we could do this from like our experience what
sports movies like past the smelts us as far as
real being as genuine, Yeah, as real and authentic as
it actually is. How about that? Well, we have opinions
on that.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Well, there was a lot of There was a lot
of real in Blue Chips. And one of the things
they did in Blue Chips that was cool with the
basketball scenes look like they're real because they used a
high school gym in Indiana and they had some of
the best graduating college players and some pros just play,
then just play, and then they captured the footage of it,
(13:38):
so it wasn't it wasn't like Carlton trying.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
To play basketball like it was real basketball. I thought
that was a good one.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
I remember that, And so I think what you're getting
to though, is that the actual fall of the movie
was that the plot line was pretty ridiculous, right, It
was kind of over the top and cliched, and how.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
They no, I mean, honestly, I think there was a
lot of that. Like I know of a I know
of a school that a lot of it ended up mirroring.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
You know, they didn't get anybody a tractor, but it
was an older coach who similarly needed to win and
similarly sold his soul. I think he was fired at
the end of the year anyway, So that one's actually happened.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
I think it was a little bit over top of
the other stuff.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Uh, he got game was over the top in terms
of the visit to college.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
By the way, Uh, it's blue chips, right. A lot
of people don't know this, and only you would be
familiar with us probably, uh Brea Olinda standout. Kevin Walker
is one of the guys, like one of the extras
playing playing ball.
Speaker 6 (14:47):
Yeah, Kevin Walker, right, Kevin Keith's older brother.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
What to U c l A Yeah, Uh and then
I think it's Keith or Kevin one of their sons
is really I I think not a lot of top
mentioned my name, but talented player, like recruitable athlete right
now in Alabama. So I just thought you'd know that.
I guess I could talk about it because there's a
pre existent relationship there.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Yeah, let's offline about that yep, Rian you got in
and what sports movies past smell test for you? What's
most Selthonte?
Speaker 8 (15:18):
Now, this is kind of a guilty pleasure of mine.
I know it's not the greatest baseball movie ever, but
it's my personal favorite baseball movie, and that is Major League.
Speaker 6 (15:29):
I love that movie.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
Who doesn't.
Speaker 8 (15:32):
You'd be surprised. There's a lot of people out there
with bad taste. Who Well, you have bad taste, Doug. No,
you love Major League, Doug, I've.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Heard love Major League. It's like an that's an old timer.
Old timer? What about a pass to the smell test?
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Exactly? I think that's where question.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
I think you're like really.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Like it's like a like a guy pulls up in
a Volkswagen half rolls Royce and comes to town and
out of a bed that they move in the middle
of the night because he's not really a camp invitd
he wakes up and in his pajamas he beats people
in a in a race to first base.
Speaker 8 (16:18):
Hey, I never said the movie was realistic. I'd have
said it's my personal thing A close second. But is
Bull Durham for me?
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Bulldurham, I got no problem and Bull Durham seems to
pass a little bit more of the smell test, right.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Yes, I agree, it's all Costner. He looks like he's
played ball. Nukluche is ridiculous. His wind up and delivered
this ridiculous. But I will say that Tim Robbins playing
Nuklalush underrated uh performance. Almost every scene he steals with
just kind of his humor and his antics. That's my
(16:54):
favorite sports movie of all time.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
I have a realistic one. Have you ever seen? Was it?
Speaker 8 (17:01):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Vision Quest? You've never seen Vision Questions?
Speaker 4 (17:08):
I don't think so. Wrestling wasn't my thing, and and
the Madonna sound soundtrack didn't draw me in.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
You need to watch that. That's a great eighties flick,
is it? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Vision Quests?
Speaker 2 (17:24):
No chance? Ryan? Have you seen it?
Speaker 6 (17:26):
Yes, it's you know, it's a decent movie, Doug. It's
not bad.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Okay, there you go. I like I like Vision Quest.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
I'm trying to think what others give me the sport?
And I can tell you the movie a leak of
their own appears like I don't know you guys have
seen any of the footage of of the Women's Professional
Baseball League, But it actually appears to be.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Fairly realistic. Fairly realistic.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Yeah, if of the movie was okay, it's a pretty
good job, you know.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
I Mean one of my favorite one is Remember the Titans.
Speaker 9 (18:02):
I was gonna mention that one.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Yeah, I probably remember Titans. Didn't they run a reverse? Went?
They were all like the fifty yard line to win
the game.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
And You're like, who would possibly run a reverse the
fifty yard line to win a game? Like that would
never win you a game, right, like you throw a
hail Mary into the inzel?
Speaker 5 (18:20):
Right?
Speaker 8 (18:20):
No?
Speaker 10 (18:20):
But the uh yeah, all of my favorite sports movies
are the ridiculous ones. So that's why I'm having a
hard time here as to which one smells, you know,
passes the smell test. But I did think of Remember
the Titans. This is the closest one for me because
I just like my ridiculous sports.
Speaker 9 (18:35):
Movies like Dodgeball. Does that one toss the smell test?
Speaker 2 (18:39):
No, it's funny as hell, but it's not.
Speaker 9 (18:42):
It's so good.
Speaker 6 (18:44):
It's the basketball? How about that one?
Speaker 9 (18:46):
Ridiculous? Well, I'm absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Basketball is not a real sport.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
So if there was a real sport called basketball, I
think it would be exactly like that, so it may
pass the smell test more than we think even Oh.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Yes it is.
Speaker 9 (19:01):
That's a good one. It was like a million dollar baby.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Oh that was awesome. Baby's great.
Speaker 9 (19:07):
Yeah, yeah, you know what that was.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
That's a really good one.
Speaker 9 (19:10):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Very underrated? Well, I don't know if it's underrated. I
think it won the Best Picture.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
But you can't be underrated with some people have forgotten
about it.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
That's fair.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Yeah, but I would yeah, definitely, Jason. You can't say
something's underrated if it won the Amy Award.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
Yes, the best Rocky three.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
That was the whole Holgan one, right, mister T.
Speaker 6 (19:32):
My friend and I pitied.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Hulk Hogan's also in it, Ryan.
Speaker 6 (19:37):
Yes, I know, Doug. Yes, but no one thinks it.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
No, no, no, no, no, no, no no no. You
were so eager to pounce on Jason. Yes for saying,
mister T. Yes, you should have said yes. And mister
T said.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
One said the Huan movie. No one does that.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Now.
Speaker 6 (19:55):
You can't find me one person going to.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Say the whole Hogan movie. He didn't say the whole
Holgan movie.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
The first name should pop up should be mister T.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
What was mister T's character's name blubber Lang. Where's clubter
Lang from?
Speaker 6 (20:09):
I don't know who cares?
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Chicago? Okay, what was his prediction? Pain? Pain pain? The
biggest issue with mister T was at that point in
time he was the nation's biggest badass. Although mister T,
have you ever met him in person?
Speaker 6 (20:26):
Yes, he's very nice, he's super nice.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
He's tiny, well.
Speaker 6 (20:31):
Now he is, guys like seventy years old.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
He's never been big.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
He's just not a big fella, right, like neither is
Sevester Saloon, although he was all juice step.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Or whatever, allegedly allegedly, but just in general, I don't
think the I don't think the Rocky movies passed the
smell test. Right. There are utter lack of defense in
those championship fights. It's very questionable. You won't play defense
with you got all? You got?
Speaker 2 (20:57):
You got it, you good, so you got.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Anybody gets punched in the face that many times not
only has brain damage, but it's dead by the end
of the fight.
Speaker 6 (21:08):
Well, that doesn't happen the series. Rocky does have brain damage.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Yeah, yo yo, I probably shouldn't take all the shots before,
you know, was there a soccer one that's realistic. Bend
it like Beckham.
Speaker 9 (21:22):
I mean it was realistic. I mean it was fun.
I don't know if it was realistic. But did it
jump the shark badly? And maybe not either?
Speaker 2 (21:31):
What was the what was the movie? Jason? Again, I
think this is eighties?
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Uh with the It wasn't a prison break, but they
were weren't they POW's or something.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
They were playing in? Were they just playing internationally and
they stored in the field. Pele was in the movie.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
Oh that was called Victory with Sylvester Stallone. Yeah, yeah,
Sylvester Stone was a goaltender peiway was it took place?
And I want to say it was in Germany? They
were American prisoners in Germany.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
It could totally happen.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
By the way, Mike just submitted blood Sport. What do
we what do we think of blood Sport?
Speaker 9 (22:12):
Blood Sport?
Speaker 5 (22:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (22:15):
You never seen blood Sport? No?
Speaker 9 (22:17):
I haven't. Am I missing out?
Speaker 5 (22:18):
Yes?
Speaker 9 (22:19):
Okay it's a boxing movie.
Speaker 6 (22:22):
Yeah, not a boxing movie.
Speaker 9 (22:24):
What is it? Fighting?
Speaker 4 (22:25):
Yes?
Speaker 9 (22:25):
Okay, fighting? Okay, squeeze me squeeze No, Jean Claude vent
damn okay, John.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Blood Sport was essentially UFC before ufc right, that was
the idea of it. So yeah, I can't say I've
ever seen a blood sport whatever. But I trying to
think basketball movies that were that were realistic.
Speaker 9 (22:54):
Coach Carter, Uh sure not air Bud. I loved air.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Airbud could happen?
Speaker 4 (23:06):
Yeah, did that pass the smell test any of the
air buds? Because didn't they do an airbud forever Sport?
Speaker 9 (23:12):
I don't know. I only watched the first one. It
was great.
Speaker 6 (23:16):
Above the rim of two Foxy Core, how about that one?
Speaker 5 (23:19):
Right?
Speaker 2 (23:20):
The rooms?
Speaker 4 (23:20):
Al Right, there was a movie in the seventies called
Gus is a Disney movie.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
No, it's uh rudy, it's no amazing Grace, amazing Grace
and Gus right or amazing Yeah, it was actually I
like that. I'd love the kid. Alex English was in it. No,
it was amazing Grace in Chuck, not Gus my dad.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
Yeah, you're conflating. I'm thinking of the one with Don Notts.
And then Gus was a donkey who coocked field goals,
so it's very realistic.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
That could totally happen. What about what about have you
ever seen a donkey? Have you ever seen a donkey
kick a field goal. No, so we don't know what
it would actually look like. It's a little love baseball
that could be exactly what looks like a donkey cool.
Speaker 9 (24:00):
Runnings, Cool runnings?
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Yeah, yeah, sort of.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
What was the movie where the guy was the former.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Hockey player and the figure skater needed a partner?
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Cutting Edge?
Speaker 9 (24:19):
Nice?
Speaker 2 (24:20):
I like Cutting Edge was really good.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Yeah, And and she was always saying, every time you
mess up, she's a toe pick, because apparently figure skaters
have a toepick.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
And hockey players that aren't used to the toepick. That's
how you stop and plant and jump. So yeah, I'll
submit that one with a little support from Ryan.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
Cutting Edge, sweet, cutting Edge.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Cutting Edge. So we've gotten hockey and I got one. No no, no, no, no,
wait wait.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Wait come on, man, I had a good one. Why
am I think it's another Kevin Costner? Why why am
I blanking golf movie? Cheech merrit tin Cup? I like
tin Cup.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
I thought there was some.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Reality to it, you know, I agree, keep hitting the
ball in the drink though at the US Open we've
kind of seen it, but not to that level. But yeah, anyway,
and that's that's the that's the middle, the midway, not
the middle midway Midway.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
There we go. That's what I'm looking for.
Speaker 7 (25:23):
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Speaker 2 (25:34):
Stug Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
So, Jason, I'm gonna give you credit because I think
you kind of nailed it when we were talking about it.
Second straight day. You've You've done really well for yourself.
You can come back for a third straight day, which
is we're discussing the Major League Baseball All Star Game.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
And it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
I was listening to Dan Patrick this morning and he
said it felt like a softball game. That's it was
exactly what I thought. Like, I was flip, I've been
around last night. My new neighbors invited us over by
me over for dinner and had dinner, came home, flipped
on the All Star Game and I'm flipping around and
I was like, well, there's the baseball game.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
There's a baseball game.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
But I thought I was watching the you know that
home run derby they have, and then maybe I thought
it was the Future Stars game. It just didn't look
like a Major League Baseball Then I heard the voices
and I was like, oh, okay, this is the All Star Game.
And then I settled in and I watched for a
little bit, but I couldn't identify. It's hard enough in
(26:36):
baseball to identify the players.
Speaker 8 (26:39):
You know.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
One of the great things that Fox has always done
when they're broadcasting baseball, and I don't know if people
will know this is Fox is famous for those tight
close ups of pitchers and managers and emotions and people
in the people in the stands as well, and you know,
outside of Paul's skins, like they start throwing up random picture,
(26:59):
I'm like, I don't know who that is.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
And then they have a random uniform in I don't
know who that is. I couldn't have been the only
one who thought that way.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
And it's weird because I realized those uniforms are kind
of cool, right you a blue and the pink ones.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
I've seen the hats. They're kind of cool.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
The problem is they don't look in any way, in
any way like identifiable Major League Baseball All Star uniforms.
Like this is just overthinking it. And this is just
one of those cases that in life and we're all
(27:40):
going to learn this at some point in time.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
I said it with Saquon Barkle.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Maybe this is the theme of the show, which is
Saquon Barkley could make a million dollars more.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
And a million dollars is a lot of money. And
people can always go like, well, what about post Texas
post texts a half million dollars in it's probably okay, fine, Like,
ask anybody in the street, would you prefer to make
a million or you know, post tax or not make
a million. Everybody's like, well, I'd make make a million, okay.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
I mean so regardless of pre task, post tax, post tax,
it's six hundred thousand dollars. Okay, that's six you know,
that's still a lot more money. But what do you
lose with that money in comparison to what you would
have made had you stayed with the Giants. The same
thing is true with Major League Baseball. Why do they
(28:25):
do these horrendous alternative uniforms that are never worn before
and never worn after? Well because they can sell them
in every the Major League Baseball park in the league
and make a little bit more money. But whatever amount
they make more, even if it is several million dollars,
and I can't think it's that much more. Whatever amount
(28:46):
they make more, is that worth it? Because I couldn't
identify a single player just watching when they when they
showed all nine players out there in the batter in
the battle's box, There's no way I couldn't identify it.
I couldn't have been the only one. Jay ste you
(29:07):
brought it up, so I guess, I guess you're right
there as well. Right like you couldn't identify a single guy.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
No, I mean I could identify them. You just have to.
You kind of have to strain your eyes a little bit.
It's kind of like during the regular season. This has
been a frustration of mine. Like I have been watching
and following baseball for over four decades, and I know
baseball and I'm passionate about it, and I tune into
(29:35):
like just a regular Wednesday game or I'll be watching
highlights on ESPN, and I can't identify the team based
on their colors, the city connects or whatever, and the
alternatives and everything else frustrate me. Like, like an older
baseball fan, I can only imagine, and I'm pay to
(29:55):
follow sports. I can only imagine how frustrated. It is
for like a cat usual baseball fan to tune in
last night and just be like, who are these guys? Who?
I mean, that's the frustrating part. I think baseball is
trying to be like the other two most popular sports.
The problem is, like people are just much more familiar
(30:16):
with NBA players and the way they look, and football
players as well, even though they're wearing the helmets, they're
just more identifiable. Baseball doesn't have that luxury anymore.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
I would agree, Monte. Did you like the uniforms?
Speaker 9 (30:32):
The uniforms were rough. They're just rough.
Speaker 10 (30:36):
I think you hit it right on the money, though
this is trying too hard.
Speaker 9 (30:40):
Yeah, clearly you were.
Speaker 10 (30:42):
Thinking, you know, we're going to sell because we have
a new uniform, but I don't know who's gonna buy this.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
I mean, think of all the things that trying too hard.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Yeah, I mean, like you remember when Cowherd first came
on to Fox. Do you guys remember when he and
it wasn't It wasn't. Colin's idea has never been a
but somebody gave him the idea of dyeing his hair
like brown, and it was it was tough to watch
people do that with their teeth where they get those
(31:11):
veneers and it's just trying too hard.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
It's like, dude, what are you doing? You know, what
are you doing?
Speaker 1 (31:18):
In many ways, you know, fake hair guy, whether they
get the transplant whatever, Like a lot of times guys
are trying too hard and look, you can run my fingers.
You're like, dude, it doesn't look it doesn't look real.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
What are you doing? You know, people try too hard.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
I mean La really is the center of trying too hard,
you know, but you just try too hard to be
something you're not. Your baseball have price stick out your chest,
Like what's cool about baseball? All the different uniforms, all
the different stadiums, all the different hats, Like.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
That's what's cool by baseball? Yeah, you know baseball.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
It's like, oh, we've been the same for one hundred years. Yeah,
and you know what, Fine, lean into who you are,
don't try and be something different.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
It was as if.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
It was as if Tron had a baseball game. I
almost was waiting for some sort of glowing the dark
ball and it was just too much. And for me,
who I've become a casual baseball fan. I love baseball.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
I've been this.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
You know, I've been an Angel game this year, Dodger
game this year, and I've been to several Brewers games
as well.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Like I'm I'm not Jason, I'm not.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Monsey, but like baseball, but dude, I couldn't tell you
who anybody is because they're not identifiable without a uniform,
you know.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
I mean, yeah, I know who Aaron.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Judges, and yeah I know Paul Skens is, and yeah,
I know who some of these guys are. But and
we played this game here, She's like, who the hell's
the Angel when Mike Trout's on the All Star Game?
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Right, Like, you can't identify them at least?
Speaker 1 (32:45):
If what's the purpose, by the way, of having a
guy from every team, If we don't know who that
guy from your team is, I do what I understand.
That's somebody who goes they're in a meeting and somebody
tells the commissioner, hey, we got some new uniforms.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Let's see him.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
And somebody says, like, you know, guys, I don't know. Yeah,
I don't know either, but you know what, we can
make five million dollars more out of this deal, Like
five million dollars we allways do it Meanwhile, what you
lose is equity to their fans, identifiability with your fans,
and kind of any sort of history and lore. Just
(33:24):
felt like a swing and miss last night. Let's get
to Monci Belogno's find out what else is going on?
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Monce, What do you got?
Speaker 9 (33:31):
Real quick?
Speaker 10 (33:32):
Still on this All Star Game, I was driving, so
I was listening to it on the radio, and I
laughed so hard because everybody was waiting for Paul Skiings
to face Aaron Judge and then he hit into a
double play and it was over.
Speaker 9 (33:48):
One pitch hit it to the third basement double play.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
And it was over.
Speaker 10 (33:52):
And I was like, wow, we were waiting for this
moment and it was over in fifteen seconds, and uh,
it don't get any better.
Speaker 9 (34:01):
I feel like it was just like, oh, there was
a good boy hits. It was everything I heard. It's
just seemed very, very.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
And just like the uniforms, that's baseball, that's fas Jeff
frank Cour joins us. Of course MLB analysts from big
league outfielders. Of course, who doesn't remember when he came
up with the Braves and was unbelievable from the from
the jump.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Uh, he's with pure athlete. We'll talk to him about
what that's about.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
In the meantime, he joins us here on the Doug
Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
So, wait, who's the golf coach that you're related to?
Speaker 5 (34:32):
Lee Ranky Man the women's and men's golf coach up there.
So I've actually got to look at you know, I'm
I'm a I'm a fan man, So I'll be pumped
up to follow y'all this year. First off, congratulations to.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
You too, Thank you, thank you. We're gonna get you
to a game.
Speaker 5 (34:47):
Oh absolutely, come up man, And uh, you know I've
been a huge fan obviously yours your show, but to
have you there, and I know, you know, my uncle
has done a great job with what a golf program
up there and having a lot of fun doing it.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Yeah, he's he's as you know, he's worked through some
health stuff, so we have him. But he's a he's
a fighter, and he's an awesome dude. And I see
him just about just about every day. Jeffrankcour joints just
as a former Big leaguer. What'd you think of the
uniforms last night?
Speaker 5 (35:19):
Oh my god, they were hideous. I mean hideous, and
you know what's weird is like you know, a lot
of times with where you're at, they try to make it,
you know, be part of what it is. But I
just thought, you know, Texas, you know, you always hear
everybody does it bigger in Texas, and I just thought
they would have had something. I mean, those were tough
to look at.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Man, why not just have the regular uniforms? I don't understand,
but I.
Speaker 5 (35:44):
Missed those days. I agree. I missed the days where
the players wore their uniforms. Everybody knows what leagues are in,
you know. I mean it's not like it's a it's
a big issue. I think it's cool and they do
it like the National League jerseys. It literally looked like
the Marlins. It looked like it was like the All
Star Game was in Miami or something. But you're very confusing.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Yeah, I mean, you know what that's about.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Somebody, somebody told them they can make a little bit
more money doing it, And I just don't think there's
any there is an amount where it's enough to go like, okay,
that makes sense. I don't think there's enough of those
jerseys sold to where it makes sense.
Speaker 5 (36:16):
You know, you don't think. But then again, I say
I didn't like it, and there's my year old son.
Those things are awesome, you know, Like, what the heck
do I know?
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Yeah, although did he go to you and say can
I order one?
Speaker 5 (36:27):
No, he did not say that, you're right, And even
if he did, I tell him.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Sorry, Bud, you have a lot Stut Gottlieb show here
on Fox Sports Radio. Jeffrancore is our is our guest, Okay,
let's do our. My producer is one of the biggest
Dodger fans on Earth, and they have an obvious need
for pitching. So but you have this ridiculous lineup with
ridiculous talent. If you're the Dodgers, what do you do
(36:55):
as you're not a lock to make the postseason, but
you're essentially a lot?
Speaker 2 (36:59):
What do you do Interns to your.
Speaker 5 (37:00):
Staff, You've got I tell you what, Doug, It's incredible.
You know, me and Brian Anderson, who I know is
a buddy yours too. We did the Dodger Phillies two
weeks ago and we sat in David Roberts' office and
it's unbelievable when Dave sits there and docs is going
through well, we're not going to have him. We're not
going to have him.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
We're not going to have him.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
And this kind of comes down to, right like what
we saw for them from the playoffs last year, just
like the Braves have all this offense, but you didn't
have the starting pitching to go on the postseason. And
when you're going up against the Phillies and your faith
and Zach Wheeler your face and Aaron Nola your faith
and rangers are you have to have arms out there.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Now.
Speaker 5 (37:34):
I think look, Glass now is going to be fine.
I mean his is more. I think, you know, a
little break, just get back. But the fact of the
matter is, you know, you got other guys that you
just don't know. And as good as that lineup is
and as many runs as they score, you know as
well as I do, and you face as Zach Wheeler,
you have to have someone on the other side that
can keep you in that ball game too, to give
(37:56):
you a chance to capitalize with some big hits, with
difffferent things. And you know that's where I mean I've
said it. From there, they have to make sure when
they go in October they have three starters that can
go and can can go deep into games. If they
do that, they have every chance in the world, especially
when Mookie comes back to win that World Series. But
(38:17):
if you don't know who your game two or Game
three starter is, man, it's to me it's so tough
to run the gauntlet. Now in the postseason.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. You mentioned
Brian Anderson. He also covers the Brewers. I got a
chance to spend some time with them, and they're another
team just massive injuries to their pitching staff, but they've
been able to do it. You know, they do it
with a completely different financial scale. It does feel like
it's starting to catch up with them, right Like Freddie
(38:45):
Peralta was mashed by the Nationals. He seems to be
running on a little bit of fumes. Can they keep
this going despite how depleted they've been by injury?
Speaker 5 (38:54):
Well, I think, Look, I think you make a great point.
I think the biggest answer is going to be is
anybody is good enough to run them down or to
keep it going. But I would worry more for them,
Like you get to the postseason, you know that's a
tough thing. It's one thing to get there, but who
are the teams that can really get over the hump.
And look, I even said this last year, you know
we did the NLCS and watching the Diamondbacks. Yes they
(39:16):
did not have a great offense. They didn't, but they
had three legit starters and they had three guys in
the bullpen that were lockdown guys, and that can take you,
you know, all the way to the World Series like
it did. Now they caught Texas who was really hot.
But that's going to be the thing. Man, you have
to have arms in the postseason. I just you know,
I'm an offensive guy. I love it, but I also
(39:38):
grew up a Brave fan here in the nineties and
had the Mattic Smulti Glaven days where it's like that
was the recipe to you know, run off all those
division titles. And so that's that's the Milwaukee got to
add at the deadline with arms their offensive. Fine, yeah,
let's contral. They got plenty of firepower to me to
(39:58):
be opportunistic, but they need an armor two.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Obviously, Braves are in position for a wild card, but
as far as the division, they're a good eight and
a half back of the Phillies. How would you characterize
the Braves to date.
Speaker 5 (40:12):
You know, I told someone this the other day. Everybody
said they were the greatest team in baseball last year
and looked offensively, they were incredible last year. The years
that guys put up Ronald Akunya obviously the MVP. But
they got to Game three of the postseason against the
Phillies and they didn't know who their starter was going
to be. And so I think if you saw the
three all starts for the Braves is they're three aces
(40:34):
Ronaldo Lopez, Chris sal and Max Free And if those
three are healthy going in the postseason, I think you
saw what Philly's done the last two years. With three
healthy starters, you can do that. So yeah, obviously you
lose Spencer Strider, you lose Akunya. You was two of
the probably what top ten players in the league. It's
tough to replicate that. But if you have those three starters,
(40:55):
then you feel like with the offense they have and
Riley and Olsen and all these, you know you're gonna
have Azuna with the year he's had, you're going to
have enough to do some So that's why I said again,
you know the Brave and Dodgers for for the last
one four or five years now have been the class
of the National League. But too many times they both
those teams have gone in the postseason and they haven't
(41:17):
had the pitching to be able to withstand it. And
because of that, you've seen the last two years Man
one and two both years and they both lost in
that you know DS round. So arms is where it's at.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
Arms is where it's at.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
I'm looking at the Orioles and you know, best team
in the American League, and and there's Craig Kimberle at
the back end of that bullpen. Now, look, I just
you've seen him with the Braves, Jason, You've seen him
with the uh with with the Dodgers. He's been doing
this for a long time. We're creeping up on I
think your you're fourteen in the in the bigs. How
(41:53):
confident are you that come October, Craig Kimberle can deliver
and get him out, get get get four out, you
get three outs and they need it.
Speaker 5 (42:02):
Well, look, the Greig Kimberl I knew when he was
in Atlanta was a whole different story. I mean, that
guy was one hundred. He was that was the top
of his game. But I think he even saw it
last year at Philly. I mean, if you remember that
was Game four there, or started Game three in Arizona
when when he blew it and then it happened, they
ended up bringing him in like what the seventh or
eighth inning in Game five, and I don't know if
(42:24):
he ever pitched again in a meaningful spot. And you know,
I think Craig Kimberle has such great stuff and he's
been so good for so long. I just think it's
one of those things to me, you have to have
another guy to help protect that, right, Like if it
gets October and he's starting to get tired, you're starting
to see that velocity dip down.
Speaker 4 (42:42):
You.
Speaker 5 (42:42):
I think they're just a lot quicker to pull the
trigger right, and I think that's going to be the key.
That's where I look with the Oriols too. They've given
the Yankees everything they've wanted this year from on standpoint,
the same deal with them, are they going to have
enough pitching to be able to go deep? Because this
is where you really I know people all the time
in baseball, Well, the next two weeks in August is
where you find out if teams have deep enough pitching
(43:05):
because the innings are starting to add up. Guys are
starting to pitch in one hundred degree you know, heat
all the time. If you don't have depth, now it
will show and you will start to see teams kind
of fall back, and you will see a few teams
do that. It's just a matter who it's going to be.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
Okay, Jeffrian coors our guests here on the Doug Gottlieb
Show on Fox Sports Radio. Pure Athlete is a platform
and a podcast that empowers parents, coaches the next generation
of athletes.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
How does it work.
Speaker 5 (43:33):
Man, It's awesome. We've been doing it for two years now,
about start a third. We've had anywhere from Davos Sweeney
to you know, Misty mad Trainer. We've had Jamal Crawford
just a couple of weeks, Jay Billis. We've had a
lot of these athletes and coaches that my whole thing is, man, right,
I got four kids and I'm in the middle of
coaching them doing this and am I competitive? Absolutely? Do
(43:55):
I want to win, absolutely, But for me it's more,
you know, at the eight, nine, ten, eleven year old ages,
these parents that are forcing these kids to do so
many things you know, three hour practices. You got to play.
You gotta play, you know. And I always hear Geno Ari,
I'm gonna talk about this all the time, and I'm
sure you're a big believer. Is the lost art of practice, right,
(44:15):
the lost started of going out there and learning how
to play, learning how to prepare to play. You know,
I get sports is a billion use. Sports is billions
and billions of dollar business. But my whole thing is
like we're trying to give a platform to parents to
come to, for coaches to come to and kind of say, hey,
there's ways to do this without having to spend thousands
(44:36):
and thousands of dollars to travel everywhere, thousands of dollars
of private lessons. You know what's funny, we had Jamal
Crawford on and you know basketball, even the best ball
hander of our time. I mean, he's incredible, and he
was saying, you know how where I learned that? Not
in a private lesson, not in a practice. I learned
that in my backyard, playing with my buddies and doing
different things.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
So that's that's and and look, I would you shome
on my best I'll come on your pod.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
But I agree, and I disagree. And here's why I
agree that playing in tournaments all the time is not
the best. When you don't practice is not the best idea.
I mean, the biggest thing is they don't actually know
how to practice, haven't actually been pushed really hard, and
they haven't been taught the why, not just to what.
Speaker 5 (45:20):
Right.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
But the other part to it is they do need
to play.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
They just need to, Like I don't want to call
it free play, like we obviously in basketball it's pickup ball.
Like nobody in baseball, and I don't know if baseball
they've ever played, you know, since the fifties and sixties
sand lot baseball. But in basketball, like the only way
you really learn how to play basketball is by playing basketball,
you know. And so like when we do our workouts
and practice, we play five on five why because they
(45:46):
don't play enough.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
So yes, you have to learn.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
The why and not just to what, but you also
have to play so you understand the nuances of time, scores, situations, spacing,
and everything's different when there's a game and there's some
sort of score. So it's it's a fascinating, fascinating idea.
How can somebody get more information, Well, they.
Speaker 5 (46:06):
Can go on to Pure Athletes, Inc. I NC dot
Com and go. Like I said, we've had podcast man,
We've had mental health experts, nutritionists, and really kind of
the final thing I'll say that's really good on there too,
is that all the athletes we've had on there, man,
growing up were multi sport athletes. And I'm not saying
all the way to their senior of high school, but
(46:28):
they weren't ten years old just playing one sport year round.
And we have tons of evidence with injury stuff and
all that on there. So I think it's just a
great thing. We love having dialogue. We've had, like I said,
some great athletes just talk about their journeys and now
that they have kids, how they're kind of raising them because,
as I said, you know this, Ja Billis told us
ninety six point two percent of people are done after
(46:50):
high school, so it's kind of what do you want
how to use sports for your kids.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
That's a great point, a great, great point, Jeff, you're
the best, Man.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
Appreciate you joining us.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
Let's let's look forward to chatting on each other's podcast
on this radio show in the very near future.
Speaker 5 (47:06):
I would love to man appreciate it again. Congrats man,
looking forward to.
Speaker 3 (47:09):
It for you.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
All right, Jeff Jeff RANCOORPS. Just just the just the
newest member of Phoenix Nation.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
That's all it is. We're gonna I think we should
do the nation thing.
Speaker 1 (47:16):
Even though I'm dead set against everybody saying they have
a nation, I'm going to contradict myself and say Phoenix
Nation
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