July 23, 2024 • 45 mins
On a Tuesday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug talks about the comments made by Paul George about playing in L.A. Doug explains why Lebron James's game translates so well to international play.
Doug weighs in on the Jordan Love contract situation and does not think the Packers should make Love the highest paid player in the NFL.
Doug welcomes PFF lead analyst Sam Monson to talk about PFF's recently released Top 50 players going into the 2024 season.
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an eye on things down the street from me as
Jordan Love has not yet signed a contract extension, but
most people expect that to go down this week as
he's doing the sit in sit in you know where.
He's there but not participating there, which is fine. We'll
keep you keep you updated on anything going on training
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camp wise, obviously we're getting ready for the Olympics, and
I want to talk about the national team, who yesterday
survived yet again, this time against the German national team.
So before it was South Sudan and everyone making fine.
Not everyone, lots of dudes making fun of the team
for nearly losing to South Sudan. Now there seems to
be a trend with the struggles to be Germany, another
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team that you know has NBA players, but no one
thinks Germany should challenge Team USA. Why they did. We
can get to all that upcoming. I do want to
start with with just one thing before we get to
something that I think is under discussed in regards to
Lebron James dominance, especially late in games for USA basketball.
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It's this sound going around from Paul George on his
podcast talking about his time with the Clippers, and Paul said,
you know, hey, the from the get go, he was
playing on the B team. Take a listen.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Coming back to LA. That was home when I first
came back to LA. But it ain't. It's not the
same love because when I was in LA, they like, man,
you should have been a Laker.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
I was here.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
It wasn't no like, oh, welcome to the Clippers. We
happy you in LA, but you should have been a
Laker team. I'm on the B teams. That's how the
vibe and the love felt.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Yeah, I mean they're the Clippers. Dan Byer's lived out
here for over twenty years, right, Jay Stu grew up, lived, born,
raised everything in southern California. Obviously, I was raised in California,
and then I've come back up until now living in
Green Bay nine of the last twelve years of my life.
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And previously that, from the time I was six and
a half until the time I was nineteen, I lived
in southern California. And you can't say you're from LA if.
There's just a couple of dead giveaways, right, a couple
of dead giveaways. The first is, if you call a
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freeway by the freeway's name, you're not from LA. If
you call a freeway by the freeway's name, you're not
from LA. Now, the opposite is true in New York.
In New York, everything's known by the name. Oh that's
the Hudson River Parkway. Oh that's the saw mill. There
are numbers that coincide with these things, but nobody in
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New York knows the numbers. In LA, no one goes
by the numbers. No one goes by the names. Everyone
goes by the numbers. So the first dead giveaway in
that you're not really from southern California is if you
call a freeway by the freeway's name. Oh, I was
on the San Diego Freeway. I don't even know what
freeway is the San Diego Freeway. I mean, I'm guessing
it's the five. But no one calls the five the
San Diego Freeway. They call it the five, call it
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the five. I think the second thing is you understand
the differences in areas in areas like Ventura County not LA.
In an empire not LA, Orange County not LA. They
all have their own kind of areas and things. And
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the last one is if you don't know the Clippers
are the B team, you don't say you're from LA.
And by the way, he's from Lancaster, which is outside
of Bakersfield. It's not LA. And the surprise that he
felt like he reacted to tells you all you need
to know, Like, really, did you think this was a
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Clipper town? I mean, even with the new arena which
they displayed to everybody this weekend, and if you watch
social media, like this is amazing. Everyone I know walked
away with the same thought, that's incredible. Only one problem.
The Clippers play there all right, let's get to the
NBA playoffs or sent me and play. Plus the team
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USA playing in the in the friendlies getting ready for
Olympic basketball. Yesterday, they survived Germany, got to be at
one point game late. Germany took some bad shots, missed
a couple of them, Lebron James a couple of gigantic
shots did miss two free throws, and Team USA ends
up getting to win. They continue to wait on Kevin
Durant to be healthy coming off of the strained calf muscle.
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And that's, by the way, what we're told it is
the strained calf muscle, even though there's no rap and
he has gone through practices. Here's Paul Pierce on Undisputed
this morning talking about Lebron's play with USA basketball.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
You know, when you look at the regular season and
you like, oh man, it's next in line, or Jason
Tatum is this But when you see the collection come
all together and you watch Lebron man, he might be
clearly the best player still in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
I mean, I don't know. I mean it just that
way watching this.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
Time, no sens you just punk shoot you.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
I don't look at the collection, so you jack.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Why isn't nobody else doing this?
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Okay, why is that stepping up? I want to see
aunt Man or.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
Tatum do this a couple of games.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
But this is this is supposed to be one of
the young boys coming and doing this for them.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
Okay, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Okay, so there's a couple of things. Paul's not wrong
in terms of end of game. Now, part of the
reason Lebron hit a wide open three at the end
of the game was Germany was daring him to shoot
because the Germans they don't think most foreign teams don't
think Lebron is nearly as good a shooter as sometimes
reputation would have you believe in the NBA when he
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missed two free throws there late, Like the foreign teams
are still in the belief of like the San Antonio Spurs,
if you're gonna make a beach hip, make a beach
with a jump shot. The other part was the big
drive and finish he had was with his left hand
and as anybody who's watched Lebron knows, he likes to
drive to his right and to his left. He likes
to shoot that kind of weird sort of side step
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step back pull up three. He doesn't usually get to
the basket. All of that being said, what I think
most people don't account for most people is the fact
that this is a very different game. And look, you
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have to be big, you have to be able to
make shots over the top. The game is very physical,
and there's a reason that there's a reason that European
teams are able to hang with the far more athletic
American players in FIBA basketball. That's the way it's always been.
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And so while you say shooting is valued from Steph Curry,
the problem with Steph is once he gets it and
he puts it on the floor, you can hand check,
and so Steph becomes can be marginalized a little bit,
and then defensively they'll post him up. It's really hard
Taysom Tatum dribbles too much, ant Man's two much mid
range and gets the hoop there. It's just they don't
have the same lanes to the basket. And while Lebron
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is clearly not one of the best player on his
own team, let alone one of the top ten players
in the NBA because he doesn't play both sides of
the ball in FOBA basketball, where you can take breaks,
you can play zone, you can be super physical in
both offense and defense if you know how to do it.
And then late in the game, older players just win
and he doesn't have to play big minutes because they
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have so many guys. So if you want to say
he's the best player at playing Phoeba style basketball right now,
the answer is yes. He also has the supreme amount
of confidence. They believe in him, and those other guys
don't really know how to react, how to play, and
it gives Lebron the chance to take over. Now. I
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think most of that will change when Kevin Durant comes back,
and then KD becomes the go to score late because
Lebron still holds the ball too long in k remember
build this out. In last Olympics, he was the guy.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
But Paul Pierce is making the I think ill fated
assumption that what you see in Phoebe style basketball equates
to what we would see in the NBA, and that's
just not true. He is right right. This should be
a time in which one of these young guys steps
up makes plays like whoa. Jason Tatum is the next
great one, Anthony Edwards is the next great one. But
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only Lebron has the confidence and the strength to make
these plays. But that doesn't mean that in an NBA
style game he's anywhere close to those players.
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as well, and he's the head coach of the Badgers.
That is that a fair Yeah?
Speaker 6 (10:37):
Yeah, he was a member of a defensive line that
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have been national champs in nineteen ninety six. We're Rose
Bowl champs that year. But yeah, Luke Fickley and obviously
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his wings to to be a head coach and now
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Speaker 1 (11:00):
So, by the way, we've gotten some other feedback like
how interesting is Oregon? Like again, I think the Big
Ten's a fastenning conference because you add in the two
things that Oregon has had. They've had athletics them for
a long time, but you go back two coaches ago
and they became really good upfront. Okay, so Oregon obviously
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new quarterback that changes some things. But Oregon, you know,
to the Midwest, and one of the things about the
Big Ten expanding to the West coast is everybody talks
about the weather. It's like, look like USC is gonna
play in crummy weather. Twice a year. They played Crimey
Weather twice a year, you know, in previous years, whether
it's at Notre Dame, at Washington State, occasionally at Washington
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you're not playing in December, You're not playing in January.
Like you know, you run the risk of maybe playing
one snow game. Maybe maybe. But I do think the
Big Ten is a fascinating conference. And then look in the
in the SEC. It's gonna be interesting to see what
what Oklahoma looks like. You know, the people at Oklahoma
seemed to think with Dylan Gabriel returning at quarterback, even
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though I thought there was some limitations to him last year,
but they spent a lot of money. Venables obviously had
a bounce back year. But I just I think it's
a completely different way class when you're going week after
week after week in the SEC. But we'll see those
schools are like the new conferences make it interesting. The
new college football is interesting. And when we've seen rule changes,
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league changes, playoff changes, like all of these things happen.
We can act like we know, but nobody really knows.
Alabama has a new head coach. That's probably the most
interesting team in college football. Like you know, Debos did
a great job at Washington, but it's a weird fit
to see him at Bama and you're replacing more than
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a legend an iconic college football coach in Nick Saban,
Like doesn't get any more interesting than that. Then you
have Texas that felt like they're back. Now they go
against the SEC teams of like spending, and of course Oklahoma,
whos dominated the Big Twelve there now in the SEC
to a lesser extent, the Big Twelve is interesting with
their expansion. What does Utah look like? What does Colorado
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look like? Obviously Colorado took a bunch on the chin,
but the thought is that this year in the Big
Twelve they could be one of the most competitive teams.
What does that look like? I gotta tell you, Like,
don't get me wrong NFL ratings King, But the combination
of the College Football Playoff, the expansion, the interest in
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those expansions, and let's also not underplay college football twenty five.
Once we get two three years into it, not nearly
as much buzz. It's just it just becomes a video
game and it doesn't sell nearly as well as mad inseelves.
But because we haven't had it in like a decade,
and now it comes back out along with all of
these other storylines to college football. It should make for
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a really interesting year. And I don't have the answers,
so Luke fickle May we're trying to get into big,
big ten media days taking place currently may or may
not join us, So no promises. I do want to
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that there's expectations of Jordan Love getting a new contract
like none of none of it is surprising. What I
think is surprising is Adam Schefter tweeting out that Jordan Love,
when this deal gets done, could be the highest paid
player in the NFL. That part, to me is surprising
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because even though he obviously outperformed anybody's expectations last year,
and he's supposed to make eight million this year, and
they've been able to build a really young, vibrant team
with him on the cheap, and now he appears to
be he's going to be the guy for the next
at least five years, being under contract and still being
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pretty early on in terms of the volume of starts
he's gotten. It feels weird to give a guy the
biggest contract ever, doesn't it to anybody else? And especially
for the packers, somebody who's been relatively conservative, now, you know, Like,
it's just it's very important to not do business with
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the few mentality, right, I'll give you an example, like,
I didn't take this job and I am not playing
Oklahoma State as an few to my own manor who
chose to hire somebody different than me, Like, I don't.
I don't think that's a healthy way to operate. I
nearly did that once in my life, in when I
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switched schools from Notre Dame to Oklahoma State. Obviously everyone
knows a lot of what went into the Notre Dame switch,
but not everything. But the point is I nearly went
to Marquette, and I think at least a portion of
it was because hey, every year, every year Notre Name
plays Marquette. But I don't think that you give Jordan
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Love a gigantic contract, a gigantic contract simply because everybody
doubted him and it's a way to say to Aaron
Rodgers on the way out the door. But he's obviously
going to get a deal. And if you want to
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harken back, no one ever hearkens forward. They always harken back.
If you want to harken back to when he was drafted,
I said at the time, made complete sense. Packers never
drafted in the top ten. He was a potential top
ten prospect. He was coming off a disappointing second year
different coach at Utah State, but he was a couple
of years away and if he was developed right, he
could be a really good quarterback. That has happened. Here's
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the Packers GM Brian Gunnikins when he addressed the Jordan
Loves contract situation yesterday, we're.
Speaker 7 (17:02):
Very down the road as far as we know that
he's our franchise quarterback and we're ready to move forward.
That's not it's not like we're trying to make that decision,
but at the same time, we want to put the
best team around them we can, and we want to
make sure that you know, there's there's certainly the structure
of it so that we can do what we need
to do for our football team moving forward, not only
this year, but in years to come.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Is very very important.
Speaker 7 (17:22):
Again, like I said, it's this is just part of it,
not unexpected, and we'll work to get it done and
you know, hopefully he won't miss too much time because.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
It is you know, we got a lot of work
to do.
Speaker 7 (17:33):
You know, we think we have a very good football team,
but we got to come together as a team and
he's a big part of that. So him being out
there is important for us.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Yeah, I
mean he's there. It feels like they're a couple of eyes,
a couple of eyes being dotted, teas being crossed from
getting this thing done. But what an amazing one eighty right.
(18:01):
I mean, look, we are all occupy in the same
space as radio hosts, and there's some really talented people
who profess to be football people, some that work with us,
some that work with other places. Okay, we have some
really talented people. And I know two of them that
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said Jordan Love can't play last year, couldn't play, like
he stinks, can't play. Not he's okay, not temper the enthusiasm,
not he can be a game manager. Specifically, said, there
are lots of things that Jordan you know, again, I'm
not paraphrasing lots of things. Jordan Love may be good
at football, is not one of them. To go from
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that to the highest paid player in the league, and
I think that would be an overpay, And I'd love
to see the actual actually what the finances look like.
But you listen to Brian goodencause that's their quarterback of
the future. That's what they want. Well, this is their
guy in the future, and they want cost certainty, so
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they will lock him in for long term to go
from last year this time. Where again I can name
at least two people who host national shows, one of
whom on this network said he can't play. It wasn't
made by the way. I can't. I can't think of
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a more you know, fascinating oneint eighty than what people
are doing today. I'm not alone though, thinking if it
was over fifty, it's an overpay, isn't it.
Speaker 6 (19:37):
You know It's funny because I yesterday, as I was
in for you, I know that the team in the
NFL usually has all of the leverage, and I think
that's probably the same in this case. But I do
think that Jordan Love is a little bit more than
maybe others or in previous situations. Because of the Aaron
Rodgers situation, there isn't a safety net behind Jordan Love.
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But I think to your point of what you're saying
and what Brian Gutekunsk is saying, is Aaron Rodgers took
the Packers negotiations so personally, and whether he was right
or wrong to do that for what he provided for
the for the team and the franchise, that's a whole
different argument. But I don't think that they looked at
it personally. And to think that they would look at
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Jordan Love and make a personal decision with him just
being there the short amount of time that he's been
there compared to what Aaron Rodgers has been there, I
just think would be foolish to think that they would
make that emotional decision. So, with all that being said,
you're probably right in terms of where they would want
to pay him, although I would not blink an eye
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if they gave him over fifty million dollars.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
No, I can only tell you that in this town,
where the Packers are everything, I have not heard anyone
say like they don't pay him what are we doing right? Yeah,
no one, no one. It's all like they he is
beloved and they think he's got it, and they think
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there's still more great football in him. And you know,
I would love to see a little bit more in
terms of little bit more play. But dude, that's it
is crazy how many people were wrong. And I think
my issue with them being wrong is they were wrong
for the wrong reasons. I remember we had seen him
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fill in for Aaron the year before, and he looked really,
really good, and yet there still wasn't the buy in.
Sure then Rogers leaves, and you know, before he had
been the starting quarterback and been the guy. There's people
saying he can't play. It was like, wait, did you
have information that no one else had? Are you talking
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to people with the Packers, because they profess both of
these people I know, professed to be somehow inside you know,
the locker room, inside the beltway, if you are, if
you will, about their knowledge with the Packers. I was like, man,
maybe they know something we don't that he can't play.
I just I want to see a guy play sixteen games,
now seventeen, and then I want to see him play
seventeen more. And you know, after about two years you
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kind of figure it out. But he's got a little
erran to his game in his ability to make playsoff script.
He's got that athleticism, he's got the kind of wrist
snap of Aaron. He delivers the football and off the field,
there's not an issue there, and I think he's really
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well liked by his dudes. Like it's a it's interesting
on the juxtaposition of the if he becomes anywhere near like,
let's not heap expectations of Farv or Rogers, but if
he can become the starting quarterback for five years, and
you put him the juxtaposition of Farv who is beloved
but not a steady guy and just kind of an
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offscript guy to Aaron Rodgers, who is a never turnover
kind of a curmudgeon, was like by guys, but can
run hot and cold and kind of kept to himself
from very private in his in his personal life. To
Jordan Love who seems to be much more of one
of the guys and kind of of this young group,
and how he plays in sort of his own style
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of playing, how Aaron plays, It's a really interesting gonna
be interesting what the final bottom line is the expectations
is is fifty a year? How he plays now when
he's held to a greater level of expectation because of
that money, And can he evolve into the quarterback who
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at his best last year looked like one of the
five to ten best in the league. It wasn't the
whole season, but there were times yet.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
Here yeah, and the second half of the season and
even that forty nine Ers game that they lost in
the playoffs, like you're thinking, wow, you know this is yeah,
this is this be something good for.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Sure, could be something.
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You guys did see the Brandon Nyuk reported to Camps
recorded a camp with the Niners. It's like, my nephew
Sawyer's here with me and he was helping me prep
for the show and he's like, Brandon Yuk. We gotta
talk about Brandon Yuke. He's from northern California. I was like, why, Well,
he wants to trade, he wants a new deal. Okay,
he's under contract, so he'll be there. You know, just
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one of those things that if the Niners don't want
to trade him, there is no reason to trade for
or trade Brandon Nyuk now because no one is in
desperate need of a wide receiver who's not the best
wide receiver on their team and who wants a gargantuan deal.
Here's here's George Kittle, a Pro Bowl tight end for
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the San Francisco forty nine Ers, talking about his teammate
Brandon Ayuk.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
I love Brandon.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
He's a fantastic teammate.
Speaker 8 (26:18):
He does everything that you want him to do as
a wide receiver, including taking touchdowns for me once in
a while, which I'm totally okay with. But he's just
such a dynamic receiver and he's just such a very
important part of our offense. So yes, skidding, Brandon, I
you the money that he deserves is I hope, nothing
but the best for him. There's unfortunately not much that
I can do to help out with that except just
cheer him on from the sidelines and hopefully we figure
(26:40):
something out because he's one of my favorite teammates I've had.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Yeah, not much. We can do for him. Not much
he can do either. That's the reality to it. It's
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Doug Gatlib Show on for Fox Sports Radio. Who's ranking
surprises you you the most?
Speaker 5 (27:43):
I don't know how many of them are surprising, but
it definitely gets really difficult to split hairs on say
the top fifteen, the top twenty type of players you've
got guys like Tyreek Hill, who is a singular, unique,
devastating weapon. The guys might be assist player in football,
might be the quickest accelerating player in football, just this
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unstoppable playmaker, and he comes in at number eight and
you immediately look at that and think, wow, that's way
too harsh. But then anybody you're trying to move him
ahead of is also, you know, a game changing, unique
game wrecker at whatever his respective position is. So when
you start talking about the best of the best of
the best, I think it's really difficult to separate these guys.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Yeah, I would agree. And it's also just difficult positionally, right,
Like you have Miles Garrett to Pat Mahomes one, and
then it's like, okay, well, how do you put Miles
Garrett or any of these non quarterbacks ahead of the quarterbacks.
What are your thoughts on ranking quarterbacks along with position
players lineman, defensive linemen in terms of actually best players.
(28:51):
How does that battle stack up for you?
Speaker 5 (28:53):
Yeah, generally, when PFF starts creating these kind of all
position lists, we work on a sort of position agnostic basis, Right,
all positions created equal if we actually waited for the
value of the position, the first twenty five names in
every list would all be quarterbacks. You know, that's the
reality of today's NFL. That's how valuable that position is.
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So theoretically, you know, the best guard in the NFL
has every bit as much chance of being the number
one player on this list as Patrick Mahomes or the
best quarterback in the NFL in every given year. Now,
you know, generally, though, you're going to skew towards some
quarterbacks because I think it's just easier to see how
special those guys are. It's obvious Mahomes, you know, it
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is a unique, once in a lifetime superstar. But even
when you get maybe three or four quarterbacks deep, you've
got guys like Lamar Jackson, who's a playmaker the likes
of which we may never have seen before. So I
think it's very easy to still rank a lot of
quarterbacks on a list like this, even if you're trying
to create all positions.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Equal Ronson's our guest here on the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, some Mahomes is one, right,
and let's just take in terms of quarterbacks. For people
who haven't seen the list, don't follow Profotball Focus, what
haves you or I've seen the PFF show, which, of
course you're a co host of. Who's the second ranked
quarterback on Pro Football Focus's Top fifty list?
Speaker 5 (30:21):
The second is Josh Allen. Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson
come in two and three, right next to each other,
number twelve and number thirteen overall on the list, so
a little bit of a gap to Mahomes, and I
think that kind of happened in the last year or so,
I think when we were doing this. I haven't actually
checked last year's list, but I remember having the conversations
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last year was kind of a discussion, should Patrick Mahomes
be in the tier by himself at the top of
the quarterbacks or is he in a here with Josh
Allen and Joe Burrow and maybe Lamar Jackson before that
MVP season, And I think generally we sort of said,
maybe he's us at the top of that tier, but
probably doesn't deserve to be there all by himself. Yet
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in the last twelve months, I think he separated himself.
You know, he's now one of one. He's off by himself,
and then it's the guys like Josh Allen or Lamar
Jackson or Joe Burrow, each of whom I think is
well capable of an MVP type of season or dragging
a team, you know, to an incredible performance or an
incredible run. But none of them have yet shown that
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they can be Patrick Mahomes. And it's the longevity and
the consistency year on year on year that's making him
so special.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Right now, no question. What about Lamar in terms of
and look, obviously, you know the Bills haven't gotten past
you know, haven't gotten far enough having gotten to a
super Bowl, but Lamar has had very limited success in
the playoffs. How does like pro football focus when in
terms of the balancing act of the analytics and the
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actual outcome of games. What are your thoughts on how
high Lamar is ranked considering how well he's performed in
regular seasons. But we haven't seen the same residents in
the postseason.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
Yeah, it's tough, and I think this year was maybe
the first year that we saw something like the real
Lamar Jackson in the postseason. I think he had a
really good game against Houston, not so good against Kansas City,
but previously, you know, his playoff performances have been well
down on everything we've seen in the regular season, and yeah,
(32:28):
I think it does have an impact. It has to
thank her into it somewhere. We know Mahomes is able
to kind of almost take his game to a different
level in the postseason, and yet players like Dak Prescott,
Lamar Jackson, maybe there are guys that simply don't And
I don't think, you know, I think Josh Allen doesn't
fall into that category. I know that the Bills haven't
won necessarily in the playoffs and gone to the super Bowl,
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but I think Allen has generally actually been very very
good in the postseason. And we all remember that game,
you know, the thirteen seconds left where Patrick Mahomes comes
out of the right side of it, Josh Allen comes
out on the wrong side. But Josh Allen did his
job on that game, like he scored, he got the
points on the board, and then his defense wasn't able
to get it done in thirteen seconds. So I think
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Alan maybe isn't in the same category as Prescott or
Lamar Jackson. But it's definitely, you know, a real thing
that you couldn't hold against those guys until they're able
to show consistently that it's not a factor.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Yeah, what about Dak? Big year for Dak? How do
you guys do him?
Speaker 5 (33:29):
Yeah, huge year for Dak. Look, he was arguably MVT
last season if you looked at it just from a
sort of statistical analysis point of view, I think Prescott
probably had the strongest MVP case of anybody. But obviously
that award doesn't necessarily just get given to the best
statistical QB. It's sort of narrative driven. It's about almost
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Heisman moments, you know, those kinds of things, and Lamar
became the MVP by those kind of signature moments. But
Dak was an incredible quarterback. And then we got to
the postseason and I think, really maybe for the first time,
the entire weight of history seemed palpable for the Dallas Cowboys,
Like that was one where they didn't just run into
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a better team at the wrong time and give a
good account of themselves. They did not look like Dallas
in that game. They tightened up, they did not look themselves,
and Dak Prescott was a big part of that. That's
a huge indictment of him and the team overall. If
they want to go in this run. They want to
shake off the kind of oppressive weight of this history
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that they're fighting against. Now, you know, the quarterback needs
to be immune to that, and he really wasn't last season.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Yeah, the problem with the Dak thing is, you know,
the Niners game and obviously then even the Packers game.
Like those two, he just didn't play well enough, you know,
And those are the ones that we paid most attention to,
whereas you guys pay attention to the totality of the season,
to talent of this season. Obviously he was very very good.
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Let me let me ask you about wide receivers. I'm
looking at this list the top rated wires here you
mentioned is Tyreek Hill. Who's next, Who's the next closest
guy to Tyreek Hill?
Speaker 5 (35:09):
Well, actually so we had justin Jefferson, j Tyreel and
I think you know, those two guys, I think they're
the two top two clear one two, and they're really
a coin flip. And again, so the felt a little
bit wrong when you're looking at the list and saying,
there's a few players between them that separate them, and
it feels like they should be right next to each other.
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I think after that, it's a little bit of a gap,
and then again a tier of guys. We've got Ceedee
Lamb as the next guy up coming in at number
twenty coming off the career year, and then you don't
have to go far to get the next few guys
as well, Jamar Chase at number twenty four, AJ Brown
number twenty five. I think there's a group of wide
receivers now after those top two guys who I think
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have kind of emerged us pretty clearly the one two
in the NFL right now.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Sam Munson, our guests on Doug Gotlib show here on
Fox Sports Radio. Isn't it interesting the fall of Deshaun Watson,
Like I mean, honestly, I didn't even know where do
you have de Shaun Watson on this list? But where
is he ranked? And this is a guy who you know,
previous to the move from Cleveland and I was seeing
all the off the field issues, was viewed as the
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elite quarterback in the NFL and now nowhere to be found.
What does PFF have for on Deshaun Watson?
Speaker 5 (36:24):
I mean, yeah, he's he isn't even factor anymore in
terms of sort of overall quarterback rankings. And I know
you was way down at the bottom of the rankings.
Last season, we're not even seeing average level football from him.
And okay, you know, there's been some mitigating circumstances in
terms of a long layoff and you know, sort of rusted,
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if you want to put it down to that, and
then last year we were dealing with injuries. But we've
really not even seen flashes of the player he was before.
Back in Houston, the last full season we saw from
him there, he was playing as well as anybody. I mean,
the top five quarterbacks that year in pa FT grades,
four of them made the championship games, and the other
one was Deshaun Watson. He was playing at that kind
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of level. And he's just not that player anymore. He
certainly has shown no signs of being in Cleveland, and
I don't know if that's unprecedented. I can't think of
a player who's kind of got to those heights, been
consistently that good and then just stopped being that guy
in his NFL career without injuries being a factor.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
That's why I asked why, because it's just stunning the clip,
because we've seen guys have a fall off year and
then climb back up. You know, you guys, Aaron Rodgers
is gonna be a fascinating one this year, right because
he played four snaps last year, it's really hard to
know what he's going to be like. But even if
you go back to you know, I guess four years
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ago whatever with Green Bay, when people thought it was
falling apart, he bounced back with two MVP seasons right this,
I mean it, I don't know if it's it's completely
got away from it'll ever come back? By the way, Sam,
if somebody wants to be able to get some of
PFF's insight or your show as well, how can they
(38:08):
do so?
Speaker 5 (38:09):
Yeah, PFF dot Com obviously is where all this good
stuff is and the PSF NFL podcasts either wherever you
get your podcasts or on YouTube as well, where you
will find us.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Do you ever disagree with the data? Do you ever
look and go like that data doesn't make sense?
Speaker 5 (38:26):
Yeah? All the time actually, and a lot of the
times it's it's a good exercise because you sort of
dive a bit deeper and you go checking it, you
go find out why is it grade that way? And
I think one of the things we learned, you know,
I've been kind of a PSF almost since the beginning
was part of the grading system sort of development way
back in the day. And what you learn is your
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mind operates almost like a highlight reel, you know, and
you kind of remember the big plays, You remember the good,
you remember the bad, and you kind of throw out
everything in the middle as the same and it isn't
you know. Those things in the middle are where a
lot of the nuance lies, and if they don't all
break slightly positively or slightly negatively, that can wildly swing
the outcome of a grade overall. And a lot of
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times to disconnect between sort of what you thought when
you were just watching and what the great says is
built up of all those little small level plays that
you don't really factor in when you're just kind of
thinking back on it.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Great Stuff go to PFF dot com course you can
find his show as well. He's the one and only
Sam Munson and f PFF's lead NFL Aliston, co host
of the PFF NFL Show, Sam great Stuff, Thanks so
much for join us. We appreciate it anytime.
Speaker 5 (39:35):
Thank it easy Stug.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Gottleib show here on Fox Sports Radio. As I think
you guys know we've talked about. So the Niners have
Trent Williams at three, the Niners have Nick bosat seven,
Niners have Fred Warner at nine. And it's one of
those deals, like we go through the Niners and all
the rest of the dudes they have. They have others
that are in that top hundred, but you know the
(40:00):
virtual all star team that surrounds a quarterback who we
talked last year about what what is his ceiling like
and what does that look like this year when people
get more of a book on him and the talk
of using Christian McCaffrey a little bit less to save
him for the postseason. I mean, the Niners continue to
be a fascinating team. I think obviously the Dallas Cowboys,
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not just because of the Cowboys, because of because of
the Dak contract situation. And then I still think that
the fall off of it's one thing for Deshaun Watson
to fall off in terms of as a person and
a recognizable figure and a beloved figure from where he
was in college. It's told thing to go like completely
(40:40):
off the cliff as a player, completely off the kiff
as a player. Dan, you have your your your podcast
as well, which of course is a fantasy football podcast.
I want hiatus so for the Yeah, but it's going
to come back, right.
Speaker 6 (40:59):
I want to started up the new season just as you.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Are you going to have the season this year?
Speaker 5 (41:03):
You didn't do it.
Speaker 6 (41:04):
We haven't started the new season just yet.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
No, but are you are you going to do?
Speaker 6 (41:08):
We haven't started the new season just yet.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Okay, So I understood, understood. I thought you were getting
to something, and I got it. It takes me a
while a little bit. My point is, though, that it's
you've been kind of all this. I know that that
Jay stew like you. I think you love that Deshaun
Watson thinks now because you feel like who he is
as a person is now mirroring who he is a
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football player. But man, considering how well so many other
players have elongated their career, mean Aaron Rodgers in his forties,
Tom Brady into their forties. To see a guy who
falls off and doesn't feel like he can come back,
and he has this crazy contract which no one is
willing to replicate. Like, I still think it's a fascinating story.
I could be wrong. You guys were like, dude, everybody's
(41:52):
over it. But I look at like it's literally no
one even talks about him as a mid level quarterback anymore.
Speaker 6 (41:59):
Yeah, and I actually find the Browns interesting in the
fact of look at the great success that they just
had under Joe Flacco, who just showed up. They've got
a really, really good defense. You don't know how Nick
Chubb is gonna return, But like Deshaun Watson has to
fare better than Joe Flacco. And I know they got
crushed in their wild card game against the Houston Texans,
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but like, I don't want to say that the bar
is that low, but Flacco was sufficient in what they
did and that's where Deshaun Watson at least has to
at least has to get to. And that's the absolute
bare minimum. And they were a playoff team with Joe
flack O their quarterback over the last quarter, you know,
of the season. So you would expect, if you have
(42:41):
a healthy Deshaun Watson that they should be a playoff
team once again. But that division has also gotten more
difficult because I think the Steelers are better. Ravens obviously
were the best team.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
I mean, it's a great question with the Steelers. Do
we know the Steelers are better?
Speaker 6 (42:57):
I know we don't know for a fact.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
I was just like, I was just thinking because I
was thinking about how they finished up pretty strong in
that division, Like the Ravens feel like you can put
them down for double digit wins every year. Lamar's a
really good to great regular season quarterback they have. You know,
I don't know how the Derrick Henry thing works. I mean, obviously,
you know they last year they wanted to get away
from running it all the time and give him, you know,
(43:20):
more options to throwing it. Now they're like, you know, what,
hell with it, Let's just run the football, which I get,
you know, Cincinnati obviously, so much of it is going
to depend upon the health of Joe Burrow. And I
hear you on Pittsburgh, but it's like, Okay, Russell Wilson
was not good the past two years. It was not
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good in the last two years. We're going to put
them in a new system a year older, and he's
now going to be what I would say, the Pittsburgh
Steelers may be the most interesting team in the NFL
because literally no one knows what they're going to get
from the quarterback situation.
Speaker 6 (43:57):
It is intriguing. I do think it is an upgrade,
whether it be over Mason, Rudolph Late or Kenny Pickett.
And you have now Justin Field's in that factor. So
maybe if they aren't better passing, he will have a
more mobile running back if Fields ends up getting the job.
But I do think that they are better off in
that quarterback room. But we will find out.
Speaker 1 (44:19):
We'll we'll find out, We'll find out. You know, without
ramos here, we don't talk Rams hardly at all. Have
you noticed that we don't talk Rams at all?
Speaker 6 (44:25):
I know there's some Rams news that just popped up
on my phone, that little ding that you heard.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
You do you want to do? You want to do? It?
Speaker 5 (44:32):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (44:33):
Is it worthy of?
Speaker 6 (44:34):
That's perfect Matthew Sean McVay saying that Matthew Stafford's got
a new deal and he'll be in camp, and uh yeah,
Matthew Stafford getting a new deal with the Rams.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
You know, Matthew Stafford's like, they're interesting because I do
think he does more with less. And Stafford there has
been very good and he has went healthy. I mean,
two of the absolute elite pass rushers. But they had
the most dominant player in the in the NFL, maybe
defensively for the last I don't know, you know, decade,
(45:08):
like he's in any conversation of being and now they don't.
So what does that team look like? How much does
that change them?
Speaker 6 (45:14):
I think they're gonna be really good on offense, really
good that Williams and now they've got the thing that
really hurt them a couple of years ago was they
didn't have an offensive line consistency at all, and it
was just pieced meal together. And now I think that
there is much more consistency there. Uh yeah, I think
they're Uh, I think they're going to be all right.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
Yeah, they I mean they do figure out a way.
He figures out away and then Stafford can still spin
it and obviously still wants to spin it
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Jordan Love has not yet signed a contract extension, but
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He's there but not participating there, which is fine. We'll
keep you keep you updated on anything going on training
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camp wise, obviously we're getting ready for the Olympics, and
I want to talk about the national team, who yesterday
survived yet again, this time against the German national team.
So before it was South Sudan and everyone making fine.
Not everyone, lots of dudes making fun of the team
for nearly losing to South Sudan. Now there seems to
be a trend with the struggles to be Germany, another
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team that you know has NBA players, but no one
thinks Germany should challenge Team USA. Why they did. We
can get to all that upcoming. I do want to
start with with just one thing before we get to
something that I think is under discussed in regards to
Lebron James dominance, especially late in games for USA basketball.
(01:51):
It's this sound going around from Paul George on his
podcast talking about his time with the Clippers, and Paul said,
you know, hey, the from the get go, he was
playing on the B team. Take a listen.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Coming back to LA. That was home when I first
came back to LA. But it ain't. It's not the
same love because when I was in LA, they like, man,
you should have been a Laker.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
I was here.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
It wasn't no like, oh, welcome to the Clippers. We
happy you in LA, but you should have been a
Laker team. I'm on the B teams. That's how the
vibe and the love felt.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Yeah, I mean they're the Clippers. Dan Byer's lived out
here for over twenty years, right, Jay Stu grew up, lived, born,
raised everything in southern California. Obviously, I was raised in California,
and then I've come back up until now living in
Green Bay nine of the last twelve years of my life.
(02:50):
And previously that, from the time I was six and
a half until the time I was nineteen, I lived
in southern California. And you can't say you're from LA if.
There's just a couple of dead giveaways, right, a couple
of dead giveaways. The first is, if you call a
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freeway by the freeway's name, you're not from LA. If
you call a freeway by the freeway's name, you're not
from LA. Now, the opposite is true in New York.
In New York, everything's known by the name. Oh that's
the Hudson River Parkway. Oh that's the saw mill. There
are numbers that coincide with these things, but nobody in
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New York knows the numbers. In LA, no one goes
by the numbers. No one goes by the names. Everyone
goes by the numbers. So the first dead giveaway in
that you're not really from southern California is if you
call a freeway by the freeway's name. Oh, I was
on the San Diego Freeway. I don't even know what
freeway is the San Diego Freeway. I mean, I'm guessing
it's the five. But no one calls the five the
San Diego Freeway. They call it the five, call it
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the five. I think the second thing is you understand
the differences in areas in areas like Ventura County not LA.
In an empire not LA, Orange County not LA. They
all have their own kind of areas and things. And
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the last one is if you don't know the Clippers
are the B team, you don't say you're from LA.
And by the way, he's from Lancaster, which is outside
of Bakersfield. It's not LA. And the surprise that he
felt like he reacted to tells you all you need
to know, Like, really, did you think this was a
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Clipper town? I mean, even with the new arena which
they displayed to everybody this weekend, and if you watch
social media, like this is amazing. Everyone I know walked
away with the same thought, that's incredible. Only one problem.
The Clippers play there all right, let's get to the
NBA playoffs or sent me and play. Plus the team
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USA playing in the in the friendlies getting ready for
Olympic basketball. Yesterday, they survived Germany, got to be at
one point game late. Germany took some bad shots, missed
a couple of them, Lebron James a couple of gigantic
shots did miss two free throws, and Team USA ends
up getting to win. They continue to wait on Kevin
Durant to be healthy coming off of the strained calf muscle.
(05:27):
And that's, by the way, what we're told it is
the strained calf muscle, even though there's no rap and
he has gone through practices. Here's Paul Pierce on Undisputed
this morning talking about Lebron's play with USA basketball.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
You know, when you look at the regular season and
you like, oh man, it's next in line, or Jason
Tatum is this But when you see the collection come
all together and you watch Lebron man, he might be
clearly the best player still in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
I mean, I don't know. I mean it just that
way watching this.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
Time, no sens you just punk shoot you.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
I don't look at the collection, so you jack.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Why isn't nobody else doing this?
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Okay, why is that stepping up? I want to see
aunt Man or.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
Tatum do this a couple of games.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
But this is this is supposed to be one of
the young boys coming and doing this for them.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
Okay, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Okay, so there's a couple of things. Paul's not wrong
in terms of end of game. Now, part of the
reason Lebron hit a wide open three at the end
of the game was Germany was daring him to shoot
because the Germans they don't think most foreign teams don't
think Lebron is nearly as good a shooter as sometimes
reputation would have you believe in the NBA when he
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missed two free throws there late, Like the foreign teams
are still in the belief of like the San Antonio Spurs,
if you're gonna make a beach hip, make a beach
with a jump shot. The other part was the big
drive and finish he had was with his left hand
and as anybody who's watched Lebron knows, he likes to
drive to his right and to his left. He likes
to shoot that kind of weird sort of side step
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step back pull up three. He doesn't usually get to
the basket. All of that being said, what I think
most people don't account for most people is the fact
that this is a very different game. And look, you
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have to be big, you have to be able to
make shots over the top. The game is very physical,
and there's a reason that there's a reason that European
teams are able to hang with the far more athletic
American players in FIBA basketball. That's the way it's always been.
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And so while you say shooting is valued from Steph Curry,
the problem with Steph is once he gets it and
he puts it on the floor, you can hand check,
and so Steph becomes can be marginalized a little bit,
and then defensively they'll post him up. It's really hard
Taysom Tatum dribbles too much, ant Man's two much mid
range and gets the hoop there. It's just they don't
have the same lanes to the basket. And while Lebron
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is clearly not one of the best player on his
own team, let alone one of the top ten players
in the NBA because he doesn't play both sides of
the ball in FOBA basketball, where you can take breaks,
you can play zone, you can be super physical in
both offense and defense if you know how to do it.
And then late in the game, older players just win
and he doesn't have to play big minutes because they
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have so many guys. So if you want to say
he's the best player at playing Phoeba style basketball right now,
the answer is yes. He also has the supreme amount
of confidence. They believe in him, and those other guys
don't really know how to react, how to play, and
it gives Lebron the chance to take over. Now. I
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think most of that will change when Kevin Durant comes back,
and then KD becomes the go to score late because
Lebron still holds the ball too long in k remember
build this out. In last Olympics, he was the guy.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
But Paul Pierce is making the I think ill fated
assumption that what you see in Phoebe style basketball equates
to what we would see in the NBA, and that's
just not true. He is right right. This should be
a time in which one of these young guys steps
up makes plays like whoa. Jason Tatum is the next
great one, Anthony Edwards is the next great one. But
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only Lebron has the confidence and the strength to make
these plays. But that doesn't mean that in an NBA
style game he's anywhere close to those players.
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I'm being told that there's a chance we get Luke
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Fickele today. Okay. And this is a big one for
buyer because if you guys know, like Dan byer is,
he's a huge Ohio State football fan. He's from the
state of Wisconsin, but a huge Ohio State fan. And
I believe a big Luke Fickle fan from Luke's time
at Ohio State and of course Luke's time at Cincinnati
(10:32):
as well, and he's the head coach of the Badgers.
That is that a fair Yeah?
Speaker 6 (10:37):
Yeah, he was a member of a defensive line that
included Mike Vrabel and Matt Finkas and they probably should
have been national champs in nineteen ninety six. We're Rose
Bowl champs that year. But yeah, Luke Fickley and obviously
filled in for Jim Trussel on that interim year and
then stayed with Urban Meyer on staff and then spread
his wings to to be a head coach and now
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at my alma mind.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
So, by the way, we've gotten some other feedback like
how interesting is Oregon? Like again, I think the Big
Ten's a fastenning conference because you add in the two
things that Oregon has had. They've had athletics them for
a long time, but you go back two coaches ago
and they became really good upfront. Okay, so Oregon obviously
(11:20):
new quarterback that changes some things. But Oregon, you know,
to the Midwest, and one of the things about the
Big Ten expanding to the West coast is everybody talks
about the weather. It's like, look like USC is gonna
play in crummy weather. Twice a year. They played Crimey
Weather twice a year, you know, in previous years, whether
it's at Notre Dame, at Washington State, occasionally at Washington
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you're not playing in December, You're not playing in January.
Like you know, you run the risk of maybe playing
one snow game. Maybe maybe. But I do think the
Big Ten is a fascinating conference. And then look in the
in the SEC. It's gonna be interesting to see what
what Oklahoma looks like. You know, the people at Oklahoma
seemed to think with Dylan Gabriel returning at quarterback, even
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though I thought there was some limitations to him last year,
but they spent a lot of money. Venables obviously had
a bounce back year. But I just I think it's
a completely different way class when you're going week after
week after week in the SEC. But we'll see those
schools are like the new conferences make it interesting. The
new college football is interesting. And when we've seen rule changes,
(12:31):
league changes, playoff changes, like all of these things happen.
We can act like we know, but nobody really knows.
Alabama has a new head coach. That's probably the most
interesting team in college football. Like you know, Debos did
a great job at Washington, but it's a weird fit
to see him at Bama and you're replacing more than
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a legend an iconic college football coach in Nick Saban,
Like doesn't get any more interesting than that. Then you
have Texas that felt like they're back. Now they go
against the SEC teams of like spending, and of course Oklahoma,
whos dominated the Big Twelve there now in the SEC
to a lesser extent, the Big Twelve is interesting with
their expansion. What does Utah look like? What does Colorado
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look like? Obviously Colorado took a bunch on the chin,
but the thought is that this year in the Big
Twelve they could be one of the most competitive teams.
What does that look like? I gotta tell you, Like,
don't get me wrong NFL ratings King, But the combination
of the College Football Playoff, the expansion, the interest in
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those expansions, and let's also not underplay college football twenty five.
Once we get two three years into it, not nearly
as much buzz. It's just it just becomes a video
game and it doesn't sell nearly as well as mad inseelves.
But because we haven't had it in like a decade,
and now it comes back out along with all of
these other storylines to college football. It should make for
(13:58):
a really interesting year. And I don't have the answers,
so Luke fickle May we're trying to get into big,
big ten media days taking place currently may or may
not join us, So no promises. I do want to
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that there's expectations of Jordan Love getting a new contract
like none of none of it is surprising. What I
think is surprising is Adam Schefter tweeting out that Jordan Love,
when this deal gets done, could be the highest paid
player in the NFL. That part, to me is surprising
(14:43):
because even though he obviously outperformed anybody's expectations last year,
and he's supposed to make eight million this year, and
they've been able to build a really young, vibrant team
with him on the cheap, and now he appears to
be he's going to be the guy for the next
at least five years, being under contract and still being
(15:06):
pretty early on in terms of the volume of starts
he's gotten. It feels weird to give a guy the
biggest contract ever, doesn't it to anybody else? And especially
for the packers, somebody who's been relatively conservative, now, you know, Like,
it's just it's very important to not do business with
(15:26):
the few mentality, right, I'll give you an example, like,
I didn't take this job and I am not playing
Oklahoma State as an few to my own manor who
chose to hire somebody different than me, Like, I don't.
I don't think that's a healthy way to operate. I
nearly did that once in my life, in when I
(15:46):
switched schools from Notre Dame to Oklahoma State. Obviously everyone
knows a lot of what went into the Notre Dame switch,
but not everything. But the point is I nearly went
to Marquette, and I think at least a portion of
it was because hey, every year, every year Notre Name
plays Marquette. But I don't think that you give Jordan
(16:14):
Love a gigantic contract, a gigantic contract simply because everybody
doubted him and it's a way to say to Aaron
Rodgers on the way out the door. But he's obviously
going to get a deal. And if you want to
(16:35):
harken back, no one ever hearkens forward. They always harken back.
If you want to harken back to when he was drafted,
I said at the time, made complete sense. Packers never
drafted in the top ten. He was a potential top
ten prospect. He was coming off a disappointing second year
different coach at Utah State, but he was a couple
of years away and if he was developed right, he
could be a really good quarterback. That has happened. Here's
(16:57):
the Packers GM Brian Gunnikins when he addressed the Jordan
Loves contract situation yesterday, we're.
Speaker 7 (17:02):
Very down the road as far as we know that
he's our franchise quarterback and we're ready to move forward.
That's not it's not like we're trying to make that decision,
but at the same time, we want to put the
best team around them we can, and we want to
make sure that you know, there's there's certainly the structure
of it so that we can do what we need
to do for our football team moving forward, not only
this year, but in years to come.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Is very very important.
Speaker 7 (17:22):
Again, like I said, it's this is just part of it,
not unexpected, and we'll work to get it done and
you know, hopefully he won't miss too much time because.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
It is you know, we got a lot of work
to do.
Speaker 7 (17:33):
You know, we think we have a very good football team,
but we got to come together as a team and
he's a big part of that. So him being out
there is important for us.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Yeah, I
mean he's there. It feels like they're a couple of eyes,
a couple of eyes being dotted, teas being crossed from
getting this thing done. But what an amazing one eighty right.
(18:01):
I mean, look, we are all occupy in the same
space as radio hosts, and there's some really talented people
who profess to be football people, some that work with us,
some that work with other places. Okay, we have some
really talented people. And I know two of them that
(18:22):
said Jordan Love can't play last year, couldn't play, like
he stinks, can't play. Not he's okay, not temper the enthusiasm,
not he can be a game manager. Specifically, said, there
are lots of things that Jordan you know, again, I'm
not paraphrasing lots of things. Jordan Love may be good
at football, is not one of them. To go from
(18:44):
that to the highest paid player in the league, and
I think that would be an overpay, And I'd love
to see the actual actually what the finances look like.
But you listen to Brian goodencause that's their quarterback of
the future. That's what they want. Well, this is their
guy in the future, and they want cost certainty, so
(19:05):
they will lock him in for long term to go
from last year this time. Where again I can name
at least two people who host national shows, one of
whom on this network said he can't play. It wasn't
made by the way. I can't. I can't think of
(19:26):
a more you know, fascinating oneint eighty than what people
are doing today. I'm not alone though, thinking if it
was over fifty, it's an overpay, isn't it.
Speaker 6 (19:37):
You know It's funny because I yesterday, as I was
in for you, I know that the team in the
NFL usually has all of the leverage, and I think
that's probably the same in this case. But I do
think that Jordan Love is a little bit more than
maybe others or in previous situations. Because of the Aaron
Rodgers situation, there isn't a safety net behind Jordan Love.
(20:01):
But I think to your point of what you're saying
and what Brian Gutekunsk is saying, is Aaron Rodgers took
the Packers negotiations so personally, and whether he was right
or wrong to do that for what he provided for
the for the team and the franchise, that's a whole
different argument. But I don't think that they looked at
it personally. And to think that they would look at
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Jordan Love and make a personal decision with him just
being there the short amount of time that he's been
there compared to what Aaron Rodgers has been there, I
just think would be foolish to think that they would
make that emotional decision. So, with all that being said,
you're probably right in terms of where they would want
to pay him, although I would not blink an eye
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if they gave him over fifty million dollars.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
No, I can only tell you that in this town,
where the Packers are everything, I have not heard anyone
say like they don't pay him what are we doing right? Yeah,
no one, no one. It's all like they he is
beloved and they think he's got it, and they think
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there's still more great football in him. And you know,
I would love to see a little bit more in
terms of little bit more play. But dude, that's it
is crazy how many people were wrong. And I think
my issue with them being wrong is they were wrong
for the wrong reasons. I remember we had seen him
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fill in for Aaron the year before, and he looked really,
really good, and yet there still wasn't the buy in.
Sure then Rogers leaves, and you know, before he had
been the starting quarterback and been the guy. There's people
saying he can't play. It was like, wait, did you
have information that no one else had? Are you talking
(21:54):
to people with the Packers, because they profess both of
these people I know, professed to be somehow inside you know,
the locker room, inside the beltway, if you are, if
you will, about their knowledge with the Packers. I was like, man,
maybe they know something we don't that he can't play.
I just I want to see a guy play sixteen games,
now seventeen, and then I want to see him play
seventeen more. And you know, after about two years you
(22:16):
kind of figure it out. But he's got a little
erran to his game in his ability to make playsoff script.
He's got that athleticism, he's got the kind of wrist
snap of Aaron. He delivers the football and off the field,
there's not an issue there, and I think he's really
(22:37):
well liked by his dudes. Like it's a it's interesting
on the juxtaposition of the if he becomes anywhere near like,
let's not heap expectations of Farv or Rogers, but if
he can become the starting quarterback for five years, and
you put him the juxtaposition of Farv who is beloved
but not a steady guy and just kind of an
(22:59):
offscript guy to Aaron Rodgers, who is a never turnover
kind of a curmudgeon, was like by guys, but can
run hot and cold and kind of kept to himself
from very private in his in his personal life. To
Jordan Love who seems to be much more of one
of the guys and kind of of this young group,
and how he plays in sort of his own style
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of playing, how Aaron plays, It's a really interesting gonna
be interesting what the final bottom line is the expectations
is is fifty a year? How he plays now when
he's held to a greater level of expectation because of
that money, And can he evolve into the quarterback who
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at his best last year looked like one of the
five to ten best in the league. It wasn't the
whole season, but there were times yet.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
Here yeah, and the second half of the season and
even that forty nine Ers game that they lost in
the playoffs, like you're thinking, wow, you know this is yeah,
this is this be something good for.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Sure, could be something.
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You guys did see the Brandon Nyuk reported to Camps
recorded a camp with the Niners. It's like, my nephew
Sawyer's here with me and he was helping me prep
for the show and he's like, Brandon Yuk. We gotta
talk about Brandon Yuke. He's from northern California. I was like, why, Well,
he wants to trade, he wants a new deal. Okay,
he's under contract, so he'll be there. You know, just
(25:46):
one of those things that if the Niners don't want
to trade him, there is no reason to trade for
or trade Brandon Nyuk now because no one is in
desperate need of a wide receiver who's not the best
wide receiver on their team and who wants a gargantuan deal.
Here's here's George Kittle, a Pro Bowl tight end for
(26:12):
the San Francisco forty nine Ers, talking about his teammate
Brandon Ayuk.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
I love Brandon.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
He's a fantastic teammate.
Speaker 8 (26:18):
He does everything that you want him to do as
a wide receiver, including taking touchdowns for me once in
a while, which I'm totally okay with. But he's just
such a dynamic receiver and he's just such a very
important part of our offense. So yes, skidding, Brandon, I
you the money that he deserves is I hope, nothing
but the best for him. There's unfortunately not much that
I can do to help out with that except just
cheer him on from the sidelines and hopefully we figure
(26:40):
something out because he's one of my favorite teammates I've had.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Yeah, not much. We can do for him. Not much
he can do either. That's the reality to it. It's
reality to Stut Gollip show. Here on Fox Sports Radio,
Sam Munson is Pro Football Focus is League that a finalist,
and he's the co host of the PFF NFL Show Now.
PFFS a player evaluation company that quantifies hundreds of data
points on any given play in an effort to identify
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the best players and use that information to create insights
that cannot be found anywhere else. They also have a
list of the best fifty players in the NFL entering
the season. No single number or grade dictates this list,
but a grading system along with PFFS wins above replacement
the ul War metric you know from baseball most people
know has been used the foundation while leaning towards the
(27:28):
most recent seasons. So remember that's the premise it's going
into this year. And Sam monson johneses Now on the
Doug Gatlib Show on for Fox Sports Radio. Who's ranking
surprises you you the most?
Speaker 5 (27:43):
I don't know how many of them are surprising, but
it definitely gets really difficult to split hairs on say
the top fifteen, the top twenty type of players you've
got guys like Tyreek Hill, who is a singular, unique,
devastating weapon. The guys might be assist player in football,
might be the quickest accelerating player in football, just this
(28:04):
unstoppable playmaker, and he comes in at number eight and
you immediately look at that and think, wow, that's way
too harsh. But then anybody you're trying to move him
ahead of is also, you know, a game changing, unique
game wrecker at whatever his respective position is. So when
you start talking about the best of the best of
the best, I think it's really difficult to separate these guys.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Yeah, I would agree. And it's also just difficult positionally, right,
Like you have Miles Garrett to Pat Mahomes one, and
then it's like, okay, well, how do you put Miles
Garrett or any of these non quarterbacks ahead of the quarterbacks.
What are your thoughts on ranking quarterbacks along with position
players lineman, defensive linemen in terms of actually best players.
(28:51):
How does that battle stack up for you?
Speaker 5 (28:53):
Yeah, generally, when PFF starts creating these kind of all
position lists, we work on a sort of position agnostic basis, Right,
all positions created equal if we actually waited for the
value of the position, the first twenty five names in
every list would all be quarterbacks. You know, that's the
reality of today's NFL. That's how valuable that position is.
(29:15):
So theoretically, you know, the best guard in the NFL
has every bit as much chance of being the number
one player on this list as Patrick Mahomes or the
best quarterback in the NFL in every given year. Now,
you know, generally, though, you're going to skew towards some
quarterbacks because I think it's just easier to see how
special those guys are. It's obvious Mahomes, you know, it
(29:37):
is a unique, once in a lifetime superstar. But even
when you get maybe three or four quarterbacks deep, you've
got guys like Lamar Jackson, who's a playmaker the likes
of which we may never have seen before. So I
think it's very easy to still rank a lot of
quarterbacks on a list like this, even if you're trying
to create all positions.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Equal Ronson's our guest here on the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, some Mahomes is one, right,
and let's just take in terms of quarterbacks. For people
who haven't seen the list, don't follow Profotball Focus, what
haves you or I've seen the PFF show, which, of
course you're a co host of. Who's the second ranked
quarterback on Pro Football Focus's Top fifty list?
Speaker 5 (30:21):
The second is Josh Allen. Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson
come in two and three, right next to each other,
number twelve and number thirteen overall on the list, so
a little bit of a gap to Mahomes, and I
think that kind of happened in the last year or so,
I think when we were doing this. I haven't actually
checked last year's list, but I remember having the conversations
(30:42):
last year was kind of a discussion, should Patrick Mahomes
be in the tier by himself at the top of
the quarterbacks or is he in a here with Josh
Allen and Joe Burrow and maybe Lamar Jackson before that
MVP season, And I think generally we sort of said,
maybe he's us at the top of that tier, but
probably doesn't deserve to be there all by himself. Yet
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in the last twelve months, I think he separated himself.
You know, he's now one of one. He's off by himself,
and then it's the guys like Josh Allen or Lamar
Jackson or Joe Burrow, each of whom I think is
well capable of an MVP type of season or dragging
a team, you know, to an incredible performance or an
incredible run. But none of them have yet shown that
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they can be Patrick Mahomes. And it's the longevity and
the consistency year on year on year that's making him
so special.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Right now, no question. What about Lamar in terms of
and look, obviously, you know the Bills haven't gotten past
you know, haven't gotten far enough having gotten to a
super Bowl, but Lamar has had very limited success in
the playoffs. How does like pro football focus when in
terms of the balancing act of the analytics and the
(31:56):
actual outcome of games. What are your thoughts on how
high Lamar is ranked considering how well he's performed in
regular seasons. But we haven't seen the same residents in
the postseason.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
Yeah, it's tough, and I think this year was maybe
the first year that we saw something like the real
Lamar Jackson in the postseason. I think he had a
really good game against Houston, not so good against Kansas City,
but previously, you know, his playoff performances have been well
down on everything we've seen in the regular season, and yeah,
(32:28):
I think it does have an impact. It has to
thank her into it somewhere. We know Mahomes is able
to kind of almost take his game to a different
level in the postseason, and yet players like Dak Prescott,
Lamar Jackson, maybe there are guys that simply don't And
I don't think, you know, I think Josh Allen doesn't
fall into that category. I know that the Bills haven't
won necessarily in the playoffs and gone to the super Bowl,
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but I think Allen has generally actually been very very
good in the postseason. And we all remember that game,
you know, the thirteen seconds left where Patrick Mahomes comes
out of the right side of it, Josh Allen comes
out on the wrong side. But Josh Allen did his
job on that game, like he scored, he got the
points on the board, and then his defense wasn't able
to get it done in thirteen seconds. So I think
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Alan maybe isn't in the same category as Prescott or
Lamar Jackson. But it's definitely, you know, a real thing
that you couldn't hold against those guys until they're able
to show consistently that it's not a factor.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Yeah, what about Dak? Big year for Dak? How do
you guys do him?
Speaker 5 (33:29):
Yeah, huge year for Dak. Look, he was arguably MVT
last season if you looked at it just from a
sort of statistical analysis point of view, I think Prescott
probably had the strongest MVP case of anybody. But obviously
that award doesn't necessarily just get given to the best
statistical QB. It's sort of narrative driven. It's about almost
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Heisman moments, you know, those kinds of things, and Lamar
became the MVP by those kind of signature moments. But
Dak was an incredible quarterback. And then we got to
the postseason and I think, really maybe for the first time,
the entire weight of history seemed palpable for the Dallas Cowboys,
Like that was one where they didn't just run into
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a better team at the wrong time and give a
good account of themselves. They did not look like Dallas
in that game. They tightened up, they did not look themselves,
and Dak Prescott was a big part of that. That's
a huge indictment of him and the team overall. If
they want to go in this run. They want to
shake off the kind of oppressive weight of this history
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that they're fighting against. Now, you know, the quarterback needs
to be immune to that, and he really wasn't last season.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Yeah, the problem with the Dak thing is, you know,
the Niners game and obviously then even the Packers game.
Like those two, he just didn't play well enough, you know,
And those are the ones that we paid most attention to,
whereas you guys pay attention to the totality of the season,
to talent of this season. Obviously he was very very good.
(35:00):
Let me let me ask you about wide receivers. I'm
looking at this list the top rated wires here you
mentioned is Tyreek Hill. Who's next, Who's the next closest
guy to Tyreek Hill?
Speaker 5 (35:09):
Well, actually so we had justin Jefferson, j Tyreel and
I think you know, those two guys, I think they're
the two top two clear one two, and they're really
a coin flip. And again, so the felt a little
bit wrong when you're looking at the list and saying,
there's a few players between them that separate them, and
it feels like they should be right next to each other.
(35:30):
I think after that, it's a little bit of a gap,
and then again a tier of guys. We've got Ceedee
Lamb as the next guy up coming in at number
twenty coming off the career year, and then you don't
have to go far to get the next few guys
as well, Jamar Chase at number twenty four, AJ Brown
number twenty five. I think there's a group of wide
receivers now after those top two guys who I think
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have kind of emerged us pretty clearly the one two
in the NFL right now.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Sam Munson, our guests on Doug Gotlib show here on
Fox Sports Radio. Isn't it interesting the fall of Deshaun Watson,
Like I mean, honestly, I didn't even know where do
you have de Shaun Watson on this list? But where
is he ranked? And this is a guy who you know,
previous to the move from Cleveland and I was seeing
all the off the field issues, was viewed as the
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elite quarterback in the NFL and now nowhere to be found.
What does PFF have for on Deshaun Watson?
Speaker 5 (36:24):
I mean, yeah, he's he isn't even factor anymore in
terms of sort of overall quarterback rankings. And I know
you was way down at the bottom of the rankings.
Last season, we're not even seeing average level football from him.
And okay, you know, there's been some mitigating circumstances in
terms of a long layoff and you know, sort of rusted,
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if you want to put it down to that, and
then last year we were dealing with injuries. But we've
really not even seen flashes of the player he was before.
Back in Houston, the last full season we saw from
him there, he was playing as well as anybody. I mean,
the top five quarterbacks that year in pa FT grades,
four of them made the championship games, and the other
one was Deshaun Watson. He was playing at that kind
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of level. And he's just not that player anymore. He
certainly has shown no signs of being in Cleveland, and
I don't know if that's unprecedented. I can't think of
a player who's kind of got to those heights, been
consistently that good and then just stopped being that guy
in his NFL career without injuries being a factor.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
That's why I asked why, because it's just stunning the clip,
because we've seen guys have a fall off year and
then climb back up. You know, you guys, Aaron Rodgers
is gonna be a fascinating one this year, right because
he played four snaps last year, it's really hard to
know what he's going to be like. But even if
you go back to you know, I guess four years
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ago whatever with Green Bay, when people thought it was
falling apart, he bounced back with two MVP seasons right this,
I mean it, I don't know if it's it's completely
got away from it'll ever come back? By the way, Sam,
if somebody wants to be able to get some of
PFF's insight or your show as well, how can they
(38:08):
do so?
Speaker 5 (38:09):
Yeah, PFF dot Com obviously is where all this good
stuff is and the PSF NFL podcasts either wherever you
get your podcasts or on YouTube as well, where you
will find us.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Do you ever disagree with the data? Do you ever
look and go like that data doesn't make sense?
Speaker 5 (38:26):
Yeah? All the time actually, and a lot of the
times it's it's a good exercise because you sort of
dive a bit deeper and you go checking it, you
go find out why is it grade that way? And
I think one of the things we learned, you know,
I've been kind of a PSF almost since the beginning
was part of the grading system sort of development way
back in the day. And what you learn is your
(38:47):
mind operates almost like a highlight reel, you know, and
you kind of remember the big plays, You remember the good,
you remember the bad, and you kind of throw out
everything in the middle as the same and it isn't
you know. Those things in the middle are where a
lot of the nuance lies, and if they don't all
break slightly positively or slightly negatively, that can wildly swing
the outcome of a grade overall. And a lot of
(39:08):
times to disconnect between sort of what you thought when
you were just watching and what the great says is
built up of all those little small level plays that
you don't really factor in when you're just kind of
thinking back on it.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Great Stuff go to PFF dot com course you can
find his show as well. He's the one and only
Sam Munson and f PFF's lead NFL Aliston, co host
of the PFF NFL Show, Sam great Stuff, Thanks so
much for join us. We appreciate it anytime.
Speaker 5 (39:35):
Thank it easy Stug.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Gottleib show here on Fox Sports Radio. As I think
you guys know we've talked about. So the Niners have
Trent Williams at three, the Niners have Nick bosat seven,
Niners have Fred Warner at nine. And it's one of
those deals, like we go through the Niners and all
the rest of the dudes they have. They have others
that are in that top hundred, but you know the
(40:00):
virtual all star team that surrounds a quarterback who we
talked last year about what what is his ceiling like
and what does that look like this year when people
get more of a book on him and the talk
of using Christian McCaffrey a little bit less to save
him for the postseason. I mean, the Niners continue to
be a fascinating team. I think obviously the Dallas Cowboys,
(40:20):
not just because of the Cowboys, because of because of
the Dak contract situation. And then I still think that
the fall off of it's one thing for Deshaun Watson
to fall off in terms of as a person and
a recognizable figure and a beloved figure from where he
was in college. It's told thing to go like completely
(40:40):
off the cliff as a player, completely off the kiff
as a player. Dan, you have your your your podcast
as well, which of course is a fantasy football podcast.
I want hiatus so for the Yeah, but it's going
to come back, right.
Speaker 6 (40:59):
I want to started up the new season just as you.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Are you going to have the season this year?
Speaker 5 (41:03):
You didn't do it.
Speaker 6 (41:04):
We haven't started the new season just yet.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
No, but are you are you going to do?
Speaker 6 (41:08):
We haven't started the new season just yet.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Okay, So I understood, understood. I thought you were getting
to something, and I got it. It takes me a
while a little bit. My point is, though, that it's
you've been kind of all this. I know that that
Jay stew like you. I think you love that Deshaun
Watson thinks now because you feel like who he is
as a person is now mirroring who he is a
(41:31):
football player. But man, considering how well so many other
players have elongated their career, mean Aaron Rodgers in his forties,
Tom Brady into their forties. To see a guy who
falls off and doesn't feel like he can come back,
and he has this crazy contract which no one is
willing to replicate. Like, I still think it's a fascinating story.
I could be wrong. You guys were like, dude, everybody's
(41:52):
over it. But I look at like it's literally no
one even talks about him as a mid level quarterback anymore.
Speaker 6 (41:59):
Yeah, and I actually find the Browns interesting in the
fact of look at the great success that they just
had under Joe Flacco, who just showed up. They've got
a really, really good defense. You don't know how Nick
Chubb is gonna return, But like Deshaun Watson has to
fare better than Joe Flacco. And I know they got
crushed in their wild card game against the Houston Texans,
(42:20):
but like, I don't want to say that the bar
is that low, but Flacco was sufficient in what they
did and that's where Deshaun Watson at least has to
at least has to get to. And that's the absolute
bare minimum. And they were a playoff team with Joe
flack O their quarterback over the last quarter, you know,
of the season. So you would expect, if you have
(42:41):
a healthy Deshaun Watson that they should be a playoff
team once again. But that division has also gotten more
difficult because I think the Steelers are better. Ravens obviously
were the best team.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
I mean, it's a great question with the Steelers. Do
we know the Steelers are better?
Speaker 6 (42:57):
I know we don't know for a fact.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
I was just like, I was just thinking because I
was thinking about how they finished up pretty strong in
that division, Like the Ravens feel like you can put
them down for double digit wins every year. Lamar's a
really good to great regular season quarterback they have. You know,
I don't know how the Derrick Henry thing works. I mean, obviously,
you know they last year they wanted to get away
from running it all the time and give him, you know,
(43:20):
more options to throwing it. Now they're like, you know, what,
hell with it, Let's just run the football, which I get,
you know, Cincinnati obviously, so much of it is going
to depend upon the health of Joe Burrow. And I
hear you on Pittsburgh, but it's like, Okay, Russell Wilson
was not good the past two years. It was not
(43:42):
good in the last two years. We're going to put
them in a new system a year older, and he's
now going to be what I would say, the Pittsburgh
Steelers may be the most interesting team in the NFL
because literally no one knows what they're going to get
from the quarterback situation.
Speaker 6 (43:57):
It is intriguing. I do think it is an upgrade,
whether it be over Mason, Rudolph Late or Kenny Pickett.
And you have now Justin Field's in that factor. So
maybe if they aren't better passing, he will have a
more mobile running back if Fields ends up getting the job.
But I do think that they are better off in
that quarterback room. But we will find out.
Speaker 1 (44:19):
We'll we'll find out, We'll find out. You know, without
ramos here, we don't talk Rams hardly at all. Have
you noticed that we don't talk Rams at all?
Speaker 6 (44:25):
I know there's some Rams news that just popped up
on my phone, that little ding that you heard.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
You do you want to do? You want to do? It?
Speaker 5 (44:32):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (44:33):
Is it worthy of?
Speaker 6 (44:34):
That's perfect Matthew Sean McVay saying that Matthew Stafford's got
a new deal and he'll be in camp, and uh yeah,
Matthew Stafford getting a new deal with the Rams.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
You know, Matthew Stafford's like, they're interesting because I do
think he does more with less. And Stafford there has
been very good and he has went healthy. I mean,
two of the absolute elite pass rushers. But they had
the most dominant player in the in the NFL, maybe
defensively for the last I don't know, you know, decade,
(45:08):
like he's in any conversation of being and now they don't.
So what does that team look like? How much does
that change them?
Speaker 6 (45:14):
I think they're gonna be really good on offense, really
good that Williams and now they've got the thing that
really hurt them a couple of years ago was they
didn't have an offensive line consistency at all, and it
was just pieced meal together. And now I think that
there is much more consistency there. Uh yeah, I think
they're Uh, I think they're going to be all right.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
Yeah, they I mean they do figure out a way.
He figures out away and then Stafford can still spin
it and obviously still wants to spin it
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