July 31, 2024 • 49 mins
On a Wednesday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug expresses his disappointment in Steve Kerr as he gave into the criticism and started Jayson Tatum against South Sudan. Doug riffs about the less-than-interesting trade deadline.
On this week's edition of "The Midway", Doug and the crew talk about the most irrelevant parts of the NFL Training Camp calendar.
Doug reacts to Coach K's proclamation that Kevin Durant is the best US olympic basketball player ever. Doug welcomes FSR MLB Insider Jon Morosi onto the show to breakdown the trade deadline moves.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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we're getting ready to watch Team USA rematch against South Sudan,
a team they survived in a friendly. They are a
twenty nine point favorite, and Steve Kerr has done exactly
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what I hoped he would not do, but he's doing
it and is starting line up there. Jay su Starting
lineup guys includes not only Anthony Davis at the center
position as Joe Mbie has continued to struggle, but it
also includes Jason Tatum, who famously did not play d
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NP DNPCD in his first game, and look again, there
is there are plenty of reasonable ways to look at
this thing, but starting him from not playing him and
let me reiterate something that when awful announcing picks up
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our sound. When other sites pick up our sounds, sometimes
they miss on something. Remember what I'm speaking from his
actual experience. I understand that the players are not nearly
to the level of the US men's national team. I'm
fully aware of that. What I'm trying to point out, though,
is that I have a working knowledge and feeling about
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coaching teams where you have twelve viable players on some level,
guys that want and expect to play, and really having
the only the ability to play ten and you kind
of got to break things down. And I get he
was first team All NBA three last three years, but
whatever their evaluation was led them to put him eleventh
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on the depth chart last game. So even though the
matchups changed, and that's fair to go from not playing
to starting outside from the fact that you're going to
get to rest. You know, if look, Lebron doesn't want
to play because he wants to rest, but I don't
see that happening. We just get we're getting super silly
with it. We're getting to the point where it feels
like that old adage of if the second you start
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listening to fans, next thing, you know, you become one
of them, Right, And I just I can only watch
this thing and think, that's what's happening here is we
are giving in to pressure, and that's you can't do
that when you're the coach of a team as important
as as the US men's national team. Just can't. The
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trade deadline has come and gone. I don't know, I'm
just fired up at at Dan Byer's last update. Right,
if you listen, dan Byer's update was Jackson Holliday, who
just got called up. And remember he's not only a
friend of the program, he's a personal friend of mine.
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I guess like I'm more friends with his dad, right,
But Jackson is a great, great I don't wanna say kid,
because he's married and he's an adult, but he's an
awesome dude. And I'm just incredibly happy for him because
it was pretty miserable last time around, right, I mean,
what was he It was like two for thirty or something.
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I was there for his last game, which he did
have one hidden, but he was his numbers were were
just bad. I mean imagine that, right, You don't you
don't do anything your first time around, nothing, your first
time around up in the majors. You go back, you
crush in the minors for second straight year. There's only
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second year in minor league baseball, and you know they
time it out, They wait, they wait till after the
trade deadline. People obviously wanted you. You get called up
and now you hit a Grand Slam home run. That's
not bad. I can't imagine what that feels like. You know,
that's the how you like me now? And that was basic.
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But anyway, we'll keep an eye on this South Sudan game.
We mentioned to you the trade deadline stuff, which I
don't want to say it was. It was boring because
that's it. Wasn't that your take, Jase stew Is like,
it's just it's it's baseball's chance to really make noise,
make hay and they kind of butchered because all you
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hear is these these relievers and you haven't heard of
The one point though, is that isn't that how you
win postseason baseball? Like had the Dodgers done that last year,
win your Dodgers have won the World Series.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Oh, I don't know about that, but I will say this,
there are there's a finite number of days on the
calendar for baseball to be relevant, and yesterday was one
of them. And I think like eighty percent of the
players were relievers that nobody's heard of. There's no fix,
there's no one to blame. It's just that MLB always
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tends to be uninteresting at times when they should be
making news. So that's just kind of my lamenting.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
I think it's a great point. It's kind of like
the Mike Trout thing all over again, and not that
obviously Mike trouton only wasn't traded yesterday, but apparently had
a setback. My point about it being a Mike Trout
thing is that for years we've heard, well, Mike Trout.
They're not promoting Mike Trout. You know, Baseball doesn't, the
Angels don't because they're not. My point, it's like, what
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do you want him to do? You know, I'm I'm
not exactly sure what you want him to do other than,
you know, pants somebody as he's as he's running around
the basis, it's like the only thing I can think of,
because you can't make a sport that's kind of uninteresting interesting.
It's to the baseball dork, yesterday's yesterday's run on relievers
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is incredibly important because well, that's what the sport has become,
especially in the postseason. But to anybody else's boring his
sin yet, that's how you build a championship team is
you don't do it with adding a big bopper late
in the year. You do it by adding arms. Is
there any bitterness over something the Dodgers didn't didn't do, Jason,
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that's led you to feel that way.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yeah, I mean the Dodgers. According to everybody who reviewed
the Dodgers moves at the deadline, the Dodgers got away
with murder. They didn't give up any prospects, and they
got like four, like a couple of utility guys, a
reliever and a starter.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
But none of them really moved the needle.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
You know, none of them are going to get anybody's
interest outside of Dodger fans.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Yeah, I get it. But what we'll get interest is
if the Dodgers win the World Series, no doubt. I mean,
that'll get a substantial amount of interest. And I think
that's important not just to the Dodgers, but also to
the league itself. Like the league needs the Dodgers, the league,
the league needs the Yankees to go deep into the
playoffs and best case scenario is them to play in
the World Series.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Who do you think is a bigger, bigger need for
baseball Yankees or Dodgers Yankees. Yeah, that's what I thought too,
And I thought maybe it was with Showhey, it could
change a little bit, but I just kind of think
that the Yankees are just on that even still just
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that different level.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Yep, I agree.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
I don't think it's I don't think it's actually close.
Again when you get Jason agreeing with you Dodger fans like,
I mean, plus we're in the media, but we get it.
But yeah, it's it's not close. I mean some of
it is, you know, historical success with all the World Series.
So they're they're frankly very much like they are more
successful version of the Cowboys. And that's because you know,
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when so many people were now adults, were kids, the
Yankees were winning all those World Series with Derek Cheeter
and Bernie Williams, et cetera, et cetera. So I think
that's what it's about. They're they're both iconic franchises. It's
just the Yankee thing is different. It's just it's just different,
the level of importance of everything, and there's just a
greater level of passion in the over the overall sports fan.
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It doesn't mean, you know, Dodger fans will sit there go, hey,
we draw four million people like that's great, okay, But
the Yankees do too, and just their TV numbers far
exceeded because people that don't grow up in UH and
around l A aren't aren't aren't Dodger fans, whereas there
are Gang fans everywhere. And I think most of it
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is because they won when people were younger, and people
become fans of teams that win. It's really it really
is that simple. I mean, that's Lebron and that's how
Lebron James clearly became a Yankee fan, right, He's a
front runner, you know. And I'm and and as much
as that sounds like you're being I'm being critical of
Lebron James. The reality is, when you're a kid, you're
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growing up in Ohio, a lot of people aren't baseball fans.
You are a baseball fan. You're going to be fans
with whatever team you think is the best. And Derek
Jeter frankly made the Yankee made the Yankees cool for
a long time. So I don't know if that answers
your question.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
I think a good barometer is a you know, Jazz
Chisholm in those first three games with the Yankees. If
you would have done it for any other team, including
the Dodgers, I think it would be kind of a
nice story. But watch I think Jazz Chisholm's last you
know whatever twelve at bats is going to go down
in history, like Yankee fans everywhere are going to remember
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what Jazz Chisholm did in late July of this year.
It's when you do things on that team, it hits different.
I think that's what a good barometer is. As far
as why the Yankees are more relevant.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
There is something interesting though about They've had so many
guys that have had these unbelievable first runs. We mentioned
we talked about Gary Sanchez back when he was a rookie,
when he got called up and we had that discussion.
What was it was something like twenty six home runs
and fifty three through fifty three games, something.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Crazy like that thing.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Yes, and yeah, it turns out not so much. What
was the guy's name?
Speaker 3 (10:32):
This is?
Speaker 1 (10:32):
This is a Dan Byer is probably the only one
who can get this one, but maybe you can't do Jason?
Was it Moss? Didn't they have a guy Kevin? Didn't
he get wasn't Wasn't he on a call up? Something unbelievable?
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Yeah, I think he either got called up or maybe
was up in August, hit like eighteen home runs in
his first ten games or something.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Stupid, something crazy.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
If only is would it continued, that upper deck rookie
card would have been worth something these days.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
No doubt. I think I still have some.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Moss was in that group of where you thought like
you were going to be a millionaire because of the
rookie cards he pulled from upper deck for sure. Like
Eric Anthony of the Astros, he was part of that.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
I thought Greg Jefferies, right, wasn't Greig Jefferies?
Speaker 5 (11:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Greg Jefferies was the ultimate like rookie cards sort of dude,
and I have tons of them. And he was a
nice met but he wasn't what he was perceived to be.
And because he was in the era of the rookie
rated cards. We think he's way better. Okay, Plus we
got Caleb Williams is not going to play in the
Hall of Fame game. We talked about this going back
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to two days ago we were in Chicago on how
he said he wanted to play, but we all kind
of knew he wasn't going to. Feels like he's playing
to all of our heartstrings, Caleb saying all the right things.
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Byer just updated us. The score continues to be fifty
five thirty six. The only news was that Steve Kerr
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felt like he gave it to some pressure. I'm sure
he planned on playing Jason Tatum. I don't know if
he played on starting Jason Tatum, but he started him.
He's fine. Second group really extended the lead, got to
twenty and it's nineteen right now as we start the
second half or the third quarter if you will, in Paris, France.
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But listen, it's a Wednesday, and every Wednesday is a
hump day. It's the middle of the week, the middle
of the show, the middle of the day. We play
the midway. He's not getting the middle time for the midword. Okay,
so here's how the midway usually works. We got a
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group text throw out ideas and Sam went into a
long dissertation and as you all know, I have ADHD.
That's a long ass text. At least Sam is honest
enough with us to say he's a long texture, which
is fine. But the basic premise of it, I believe
is that hey, the NBA, the NFL preseason is obsolete, right,
(13:35):
It's worse and worse, worse and worse and worse. Correct.
Speaker 7 (13:38):
Absolutely, And by the way, we are all discussing this
during the break. Much more annoying being the eight texts
in one to two minutes guy versus the long text guy,
because if your if your phone is buzzing, you know,
eight to ten times in two minutes, like, just get
it all out in one or two texts?
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Do you have what's that I get?
Speaker 2 (14:00):
My sister has one of those tendencies where I'll go
away from my phone for a while and I'll arrive
to twenty text messages and I'll be like, who the
heck has been texting me? And it's my sister, and it's.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Like, can't wait for a response.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
It's the most random piling on word sentences for twenty
text messages.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
You know.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
The funny thing is is when we have this group chat,
I feel seventy five percent of the group chats are
from Sam yep, and then about I don't know, fifteen
percent from Jason, and at about ten percent from Doug.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Well, hold on, now, Jason is usually the instigator of
the topic and he but you can instigate me.
Speaker 7 (14:44):
I can go overboard and devote, you know, my critical
thesis to whatever we're talking about.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Yeah, Dan just takes all in and laughs at us.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
I just I hate texting, and I know it's probably
my age.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
I'm probably an old guy. I just too. I just here,
I am. Yeah, it's like a compulsion. It's let's hear
of the last ten texts.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Sam Sam, Sam, Jason, Jason, Doug Sam, Doug Sam, Sam Sam.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
That's that's not fair sample size there, Dan, come on,
go back.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
To previous to that, Dan's Jason Sam Sam, Jason Sam
Sam Jason.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
Thing.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Keep going as far as you can.
Speaker 7 (15:32):
I swear there was a time where I didn't say
anything and you guys just had a conversation amongst the
three of you.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
But that was not recent.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
There is there is a text Shan that doesn't include you.
That's true.
Speaker 7 (15:41):
Oh okay, yeah, stuff you don't want me to know now,
you know why? Yeah, about thirty minutes ago. About thirty
minutes ago.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
I do need to let the listeners know on the
on this one though, there's a pet peeve of mine
too that Sam goes, you know, thirty minutes ago.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Doug was like, I wonder how many people.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Have hit Grand slams as our first home run the
major weeks?
Speaker 3 (16:01):
So I went on chat.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Because Jackson, because Jackson Holiday did that today.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Okay, I went on.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Chat GPD and they they told me a ton of
people have done it, but Joe DiMaggio did it. That's
pretty cool. That's good company for Jackson. So I put
it on the chat hoping that you might be able
to use it on the air. I was providing content
for error, and then Sam wrote a massive text message
about something to techso to.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Totally drown out I redeem.
Speaker 7 (16:30):
I am aware of that where you send something good,
good content, a joke or something to a group text,
and then somebody just immediately throws in something completely unrelated
and you're like, now all the attention is off that
good work I just did, And that's what that's what's
that's what Jason's complaining about.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
I love that we've used six minutes to just pile
on me.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
And it's no, it's been great. It's been good.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
I'm enjoying it.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
You take it well, you take your champ okay, So
you think it's irrelevant, I'll allow you to make your point,
and then we'll all make our points on other things
we think are irrelevant in sports. Is that fair? Is
that an okay?
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Or is it NFL training camps? Is that our preseason
was that the specific? Or's all around sports?
Speaker 5 (17:15):
Well?
Speaker 1 (17:15):
His was NFL training camps. And I thought our way,
we could either discuss what he has to say or
have our own irrelevant gotcha things that happen in sports, Dan,
which you prefer.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
I had an irrelevant thing because Jason said well, Jason's
point was like, let's talk about the top storylines. And
I said, I've got some least interesting storylines.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
And Jesson, I love that one too.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
We both love it that that was a lot better.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Okay, so let's stick with the NFL. And and and Sam,
you believe the NFL's preseason is uninteresting and should be
essentially deleted.
Speaker 7 (17:53):
Yes, we'll stick with the irrelevance train of thought here.
Uh yeah, these are just it's just an excuse to
open up this doors for you know, a couple extra times,
you know, because you have to pay for these preseason
games with your standard season ticket package. These are players.
We don't recognize. These are players. It's just not good
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quality football. A part of watching football I feel like
is the NFL is so elite because of the name
recognition and that coincides with the quality of play.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
But we don't know who these guys are.
Speaker 7 (18:23):
No offense, what they're playing at, like Saginaw State and
you know Eastern Tennessee Tech and you know Panera Bread
State is Coln likes to say, so, you know, not
that they aren't great athletes and they're they are trying
to make the roster, but a lot of times, these
preseason games don't mean Diddley squad for making the roster
or not. Like a guy could have a fumble, a
quarterback could have three picks and he still might make
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the roster or he might mind. It just has no
bearing on what they're actually doing in terms of evaluating talent.
So I don't know what is a preseason game is
a step up from just going to a practice and
watching because at least you're watching some of the A
and B squad, you're watching the ones and the twos
face off against each other. And these preseason games you're not.
You're watching these unknown players and you're going, you know,
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nineteen thirteen, we'd twenty nine to eleven, like just weird scores.
It's not good quality football, and it's and if you
don't know who's playing, then it's like, why don't you
just go, you know, watch a minor league baseball game instead?
Speaker 3 (19:21):
At least they're a team, at least they knew who's
on the rutch. Could I give Sam some advice? And
I'm not trying to pile on.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
I'm actually serious about this because I don't disagree with
you for what you're saying but if you'd allow me, yes.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Some things just aren't for you. Sure, sure you know.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
And that's and that's the thing that I've actually learned
about preseason because you talk to these football heads, they
love it.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Like you talk to our buddy Busted Brooks.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Bucky Brooks loves this stuff, loves to see guys and
how they're working.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Because he's a recruiter, he was a recruiter, and but
he's also a football guy.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
So there is like a small So that's what I'm
just saying, is like this is not it's just not
for you, Like this is not your thing. There are
people who find extreme value into it, into it, whether
it be teams or whether it be some football fans,
whether it be fans who maybe aren't able to afford
to go to a regular season game that they can
at least get their kids inside the stadium to maybe
see like there's value in all of that.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
It's just that the preseason games just may not be
for you.
Speaker 7 (20:16):
But if we're watching these games to see it as
like a pipeline to the active roster when the season starts,
if that's if that doesn't exist, then like yeah, you
could be like Bucky and you could. You could be
like I want to get to know all these guys
and you know, really run down the roster, every single
player and what his background is. That's great, but I
feel like that's a tiny little sliver for the rest
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of us. We're just watching this, Like I.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Would tell you, like, yeah, I mean listen. I went
to I'll soften a little bit on this in that
I love football, especially college football. Like I feel like
Dan and I are kindred spirits and our true love
and passion for college football. So when I went to
Packers practice, went to the Bears practice the other day,
like watching all these guys that I saw play in college,
like ooh, I'm trying to identify I remember what college,
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but now it's like multiple colleges as well. But the preseason,
it's just I I, you just don't play guys like
you don't play anybody of substance? Why should I watch?
Speaker 3 (21:13):
That's okay, Yeah, that's where they're following out for me,
the starters.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
So Dan, what are your other irrelevant? I have my
own things that are relevant within the NFL. What are
yours the other irrelevant?
Speaker 4 (21:24):
You know, it's funny. I'm gonna call him our buddy.
I know he's more your buddy than ours, but I
consider him a friend. Brandon Christal, covering the Broncos out
of Denver, sent out a tweet today and actually forgot
what Brandon actually was tweeting about, but made a passing
line joking about nothing's happening with the Denver Broncos. Their
quarterback decision completely irrelevant, No one cares, and it's got
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bo Nix and Zach Wilson in it. Like there's a
like there's a quarterback situation in the National Football League
that is up in the air, and last year I
felt like it was kind of the Buccaneers a little bit,
but Baker Mayfield still like had a name with it,
and Baker ended up being beating out Kyle Trask as
the starter. But we don't know who the starter is
in Denver. There's a first round pick involved, there's a
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guy who we you know, have trashed over the last
five seasons, and it's a team that's moving away from
Russell Wilson for his tenure there because Sean Payton's not
the head coach, and I don't think anybody outside of
the Mile High City cares one iota who the Denver
Broncos quarterback is.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
I agree with you, But again, part of it is
part of it like Brandon's just trying to do his job, right,
I mean, we you know, but.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
I was actually supporting Brandon in reports of like, yeah, dude,
I'm with you because I don't think that we care
even and he's he's in Denver and it's maybe feeling
the same sort of thing. So no, it was a
it was not not a knock at him at all.
It was more of a of a tip of the
cap to him.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Here's here's my irrelevant story line. Like again, guys who
are under contract and holding out and like, I just
I don't know. It just wears me out. It's like
the CD LAMB back and forth, you know, saying he
was low ball and the Cowboys are like, hey, he
didn't actually even want a contract extension last year, Like
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wait what, I just you know, And then we're trying
to read Brandon a yuckschuk shows up at practice and
he DAPs up you know, John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan
and we try and read that into Okay, wait, what
does that mean? Does that mean that he's if he
signed a deal, does that mean that he's agreed to
play on this last contract.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
What is it?
Speaker 1 (23:30):
What exactly does that mean? I just I don't know
the inner workings of people's contracts when they're under contract.
I don't care, and I don't I just don't care
that much about I don't should.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Give a quick update.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
Salesu Danus closed the gap a little bit on Team USA.
Sixty five point fifty two now, four minutes to go
in the third quarter. No midware, Sal Sudan. I'm scoring
the Americans sixteen to ten so far in this third quarter.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Fincherman, Jase do most irrelevant thing about the NFL by now?
Speaker 2 (24:04):
I like, the most irrelevant thing I think in maybe
of all sports right now, I think is the eighteen
game schedule talk.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
I think that.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Anything that can't happen until what twenty twenty five is
completely unnecessary to talk about the eighteen game schedule seems
like it's going to be imminent, but I'm not concerned
about it whatsoever, and it can impact this this current season,
so that storyline is definitely petered out for me. And
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this Minnesota Vikings situation, there seems to be a lot
of energy towards trying to make JJ McCarthy the quarterback
in Minnesota, and he's obviously not ready, but it's not
very interesting. He wasn't he wasn't a very good college
quarterback as far as I was concerned. And Sam Darnold
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at the very least has games underneath his belt. He's
he's relevant, he's he's a pro, and I'm guessing he'll
just get the nod this season until McCarthy could get better.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
No, I mean, you guys know me. I mean, apparently
Colin is another stockholder. I'm like, I always think I'm
the loan stockholder in Sam Donold LLC. Because I'm still
a believer and I feel like if he gets a
chance with a good team for all entire season, he
can make it sing. But again that's maybe that's a
pipe dream. I don't know, as he's just a placeholder
for JJ McCarthy. But yeah, I think the like I
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think relevant storylines are kickoffs. I could be dumb here
and Dan this is maybe you're me and you are
the same. Like when they changed the the field goal
rule an extra point rule, I thought that was gigantic.
It's turned out to be. I believe the biggest rule
change in the history of the sport in terms of
points and and I mean you go from a ninety
(25:55):
nine point nine percent make to now in the load
to mid nineties, that's a huge change. I think this
kickoff rule is gigantic, whereas so much of the other
stuff we talk about has no effect on the actual gameplay.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
I love the talk on the extra point because I
think there's also a couple of things. And yeah, I
don't think you're necessarily wrong with that. The extra point
when it changed, if you think back in the day,
it gave us an extra thirty seconds to go and
go to the bathroom or get a drink or whatever
in a day where there wasn't pausing the game and
stopping the game so your team scores, you could go
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and use that thirty seconds to do whatever, because then
they would just go to commercial right afterwards. That is
no longer a given plus now and it's been around
in the NFL for a while, But there was a
time when there was no two point conversion, and now
the two point conversion, with the lack of guarantee on
the extra point, the two point conversion has become so
(26:55):
much more of a play. So to your point of
that being the biggest rule change. Yeah, because the no
effects of it are pretty stark as well.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Can we talk about this new technology, the Hawkeye type?
Speaker 6 (27:09):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (27:09):
I think Dad's got some update on that.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
I just had one question, are there any updates on
the hawk tula ie technology?
Speaker 1 (27:19):
How long you been sitting on that one? As soon
as you saw the Hawkeye, You're like, oh, I like
a hawk time and I can. I can figure out
a line. I can figure out a hawk to a line.
Speaker 7 (27:28):
He sat on it too long? Because hawk Tua has
exited stage left. Nobody cares disagree. I disagree, Well, I'm over.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
I've said it here on Fox Sports Radio that I
thought that the NFL should have gotten the deal with
like Johnsonville and use sausage links instead of chain links
for their yardage markers. Like that would have been great,
just rolling out ten yards of sausage on the field,
and it would be a great way to market it.
But with this technology, you would no longer need the
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chain game to go out and and measure the spot
by the referee. The it's not a chip and a
football sort of thing. It's just where the referee puts it.
And instead of calling an officials timeout and bringing the
chains out and having the measurement. You would have it
done by technology. So I am fine with it. And
(28:18):
the good thing about is we see it in tennis,
and I think one of the great things about tennis
is the drama that it builds when they do the zoom.
There is a lot of drama in the pulling of
the of the of the chains and whether someone gets
a first down or not. You could bring that drama
to the video board and TV if you do it
like tennis does. So I actually think this is a
(28:38):
good thing with the NFL, but not going too far
with technology.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Yeah, I can.
Speaker 7 (28:45):
I just say that the chain link thing has like
we call football a game of inches, but with measuring
down in distance the inches, the game of inches is
the margin of error because you know, it's just it's
a farce, like with guys measure and it's like the
nose of a football like it is this hawkeye technology
really going to fix anything?
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Yeah a little, But at.
Speaker 8 (29:06):
The spot of the we get bad spots all the time.
That can't matter about the spot. The spot is separate spot. Okay,
So but you're yeah, yes, and you're still gonna get
bad spots. You're not wasting the time to measure if
that bad spot was a first down or not.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Guys, I was.
Speaker 7 (29:20):
I'm really going to miss those Chain Gang guys getting
bowled over by players on the sideline.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
You know, that's what I'm going to miss the most
broken hips and blown a cls.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
I'm sure they won't miss it.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Mel those guys, I mean, like, so now they go
just work at Walmart full time because they're old. Because
they're old.
Speaker 5 (29:36):
That was?
Speaker 1 (29:36):
That was right? No, I know I got a greater
well I didn't, right, I want to understand, yes, uh shanging.
Speaker 7 (29:44):
I'm also against this Hawkeye technology because I don't want
the word Hawkeye being commondeered for anything but the main
character from the Last of the Mohicans, a character from
Marvel and the Iowah Hawk gys.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
I don't like. Now it's just going to be isn't
there a mash he down?
Speaker 7 (30:01):
There were several awesome characters named Hawkeye and the Iowa Hawkeyes,
and now it's watered down to with you know, some
tech piece of technology.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
By the way, I highly recommend Deadpool and Wolverine Good
good again. And I got there because of the Hawkeyes
come to Wolverines and we were talking about you mentioned Marvel.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Sorry is it Jeremy Renner? Was Hawkeye.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Short?
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Thing like that?
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close game is now at ten point game, and is
that Anthony Edwards with a one man press and gets
(31:45):
a steal. And interestingly enough, Team USA is now up
twenty six to fourteen. That lead has been extended since
subbing Kevin Durant into the game. And by the way
they took out Anthony Davis, they went small, not playing
(32:05):
any any of their bigs. No Bam, no Anthony Davis,
no joyl Embiid, but also no Jason Tatum, who started
the game and was fine. It was fine, but clearly
trying to change the tempo and go with a smaller lineup.
So coach k coached several of these things, right, I
(32:27):
think what four four gold medals, and of those names,
Kobe Bryant Lebron James are the two biggest names you
know that he has coached. This was This was Mike
Krzyzewski on who he believes is the greatest Olympian of
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all time.
Speaker 9 (32:52):
Well, I think he is because of longevity and accomplishment,
it's unique. But the amount of points he scored, he's
he scored a lot more than anyone else, and Jim
and when he did them. When he scored in Istanbul
in twenty ten, he averaged thirty three points a game
(33:13):
in the Metal round. Obviously in London he was part
of the huge team that we have with Lebron and Kobe.
And in twenty sixteen in Rio he was by far
our best scorer and really what our team to the
gold medal.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Yeah, so he said that Kevin Durant is the best
Olympian he ever coached. Now, I want to make sure
he said best scorer. I agree he's the best scorer.
But fascinating that he didn't. You know, he didn't mention Kobe.
And I'm sure if given a chance to think about it,
because of Kobe's popularity and because of their relationship, he
(33:51):
would have mentioned Kobe as the best maybe competitor, But
no mention Lebron James. He said Kevin Rant. Now he
also said because of the longevity, but Lebron's been on
and nearly the same number of Olympic teams as well, Biro,
what do you read into that comment or can you
read anything into that comment?
Speaker 3 (34:10):
Honestly, Doug, I don't read much into it.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
I mean, you know, he he likes Kevin Durant for
who he's seen and has been around. And I mean,
you know, Michael Jordan is a name that you know
would probably pop up at times.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
But yeah, I don't, I don't. I don't read much into.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
It, all right, can let me tell you on something?
Me tell me if you buy it? Okay, I think
that we have gotten to a place where a lot
of people are finally you know, you hear a lot
of current players, you know, talking about how he's their
favorite player. He's there, you know, the greatest scorer ever. Whatever.
I just I liken him to Kareem abdul Jabbar, where
(34:52):
I think he's awesome, and I think, like Kareem abdul Jabbar,
incredible player. Kareem doesn't get mentioned. And there's a litany
of reasons why. Right, One, he played a little bit
too long. Two he was overshadowed by Magic, and I
think Magic was much more dynamic player, and and and
(35:12):
was much more of a I mean, he literally changed
the game of the NBA and changed how we view
the NBA. So it's part of it's overshadowed by magic.
Part of it is he played too long, and I
think part of it is the fact that you know,
like Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Kevin Durant can run hot and
(35:33):
cold with the media and with people in general and
just out of a place of honesty. Both very bright
guys as well. And I think this is one way
of hey, hey, remember this guy. He may say some things,
the Warriors thing may have made you mad as a fan,
but the reality is he may not be the greatest
player of all time, but he's right there in every conversation.
(35:55):
Case in point, I coached USA basketball, he's the greatest
player ever, or the play you are in basketball?
Speaker 4 (36:01):
Yeah, in Olympic basketball and USA basketball a little different
just because of Coach K bringing up the twenty ten
in Istanbul and if we've just looked back at the
Olympic Games in terms of you know, where these guys
have played, maybe the argument, I don't know if the
argument changes or not, but to Coach K's point of
he's coached him in all these different different events that
(36:23):
it could be. I also think it's the fact that
Kevin Durant is probably not going to win another NBA title,
so now you look where he is in his career
where I don't know if you can say that with
Eddie Davis and Lebron the way people are loving how
they look with Team USA. But I mean, right now,
I think kind of Durant at that point, after you
get swept in the playoffs by the Timberwolves, if you're
the feeding Suns, how much does Durrant have left in
(36:45):
the tank as being the guy that leads an NBA
title team.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
That's a great point. Doug Gottliebs show here on Fox
Sports Tradio, we get a John Palmrosi in a second.
How cool is that?
Speaker 5 (36:53):
Though?
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Right, Mike for Jackson and who got the call up
earlier and didn't do much. Now he gets a second
call up and hits a Grand Slam. How many I'm
sure Elias is going to give this this right. How
many guys have hit their first career home run as
a Grand Slam home run? I'd love to know that
number would have to be a small number, right, first
(37:17):
career home runs a Grand Slam what is few a
first career home runs a Grand Slam is only to
be topped or fewer people will only be first career
home runs a walk off. But that's pretty spectacular stuff.
By the way, USA is up thirty six to seventeen.
They're basically played with Bam and you know, four other
(37:41):
smaller wings or whatever. But Steph barely playing the disrespect
is Steph Curry disrespect? Four players have hit their first
home run to be a Grand Slam.
Speaker 7 (37:50):
The Internet is telling me, Wikipedia saying Bill Dougleby in
eighteen ninety eight, jeer old Bill Dougleby, Bill, Bill dougle By,
Remember Back of the Lake at eighteen Four players, Yes,
Jeremy Hermida, Kevin Nick, Kevin Kuzmanoff, and Daniel Nava.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Okay, I've heard five six jam. Paulm Rossi joins us
in the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. We're
all Jackson Holiday fans here. How about he gets called up?
He it's a Grand Slam H for his first ever
career home run? JP. What what about yesterday and the
trade deadline? Surprise you the most?
Speaker 5 (38:31):
That's a great question, Doug. First of all, goome that afternoon.
What surprised me the most that the Yankees did not
get a starting pitcher, And I know that was a
big theme of Brian Cashman's news conference today where he
was asked by a lot of New York reporters why
it didn't work out, And I think the reality is
that there was, As Ken Rosenthal reported, of course the
(38:52):
Great MLB on Fox Reporter, there were some worries on
the part of the Yankees about Jack Flaherty's medicals coming
back from the time. And I suppose at the end
of the day the Dodgers felt comfortable enough to acquire him.
And that was unique and interesting that one team, in
one team's opinion that the risk was okay and other
teams it wasn't. And listen, it's not You're not signing
(39:15):
Jack Blerdy this moment to a seven or eight year
contract by the next two months, and time will tell
if with all the Yankees uncertainty with their rotation. And look,
they played well this week in Philadelphia, so maybe they're
starting to turn the corner. But I am still doug
a little bit concerned about the Yankees' rotation depth.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Okay, what about the Dodgers and what they did, you know,
I mean again, last year it felt like they didn't
invest in the bullpen, didn't really go for it.
Speaker 5 (39:46):
What about this year, well, they certainly invested them. They
added Michael Kopek to the bullpen. They brought in, of course, yesterday,
Kevin Kiermeyer. They also made the move to bring in Flerty.
As we discussed, I'm Medversari comes back to. I think
in general, this is a better team, more complete team
now than it was in the year ago. Of course,
(40:07):
now they've got Otani. A year ago they did not.
But Doug, to me, the big question is the one
that the statistics that I'm going to keep saying until
the Dodgers break the streak, and their chance to do
that will be in October, is that they have played
fifteen straight postseason games in which their starting pitcher is
not pitched into the sixth inning. And it's really hard
to win games over a long stretch of the postseason
(40:27):
without a starting pitcher who's getting you at least into
the sixth inning and beyond. And so we'll see if Flaherty,
with the back issue that he had here recently with Detroit.
I tend to think he'll be just fine for the Dodgers,
but I also worry a bit about what Clayton Kershaw
is going to look like in October, what Tyler glassw
is going to look like in October. There are other
question marks on his team right now, and I think Doug,
(40:49):
in general, they are the most complete roster right now,
I would say in the National League. But I see
some potential threats to them elsewhere. I look at the
Phillies and still being a really good team. They're not
playing well right now, but they're still an excellent ball club.
So I think it's going to be a really tough,
tough task for the Dodgers to make it to the
World Series, even with their abundance of stars right now.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
What about the Orioles, I love what they did.
Speaker 5 (41:15):
I think that Doug, they're one of the teams that
I say won the trade deadline because you look at
what they were able to do that they brought up
Trevor Rodgers from Miami and that deal they gave up
sours In Norby in that deal. I think that was
generally speaking, a very fair price for them to pay.
They also have added some bullpen at different times too.
Sar Anthony Dominguez coming over, gregor Risoto coming over as well.
(41:38):
They're a really really solid team. They brought in the
Loy Jimenez as well from the Chicago White Sox has
been injury plagued a little inconsistent. I think that in
general they are a better stronger team now than what
the Yankees are in terms of they had a more
impactful deadline. It's a toss up right now in terms
of which team is stronger than the standings. They'll probably
(41:59):
go back and forth between now in the postseason. But
I do like overall the Orioles roster a little bit
better than the Yankees. And one of the biggest reasons
why is I think they have the deeper lineup one
through nine. I love what the Yankees did with Jazz Chishom.
He's come in and made one of the better entrances
you could ever hope to make for a newly acquired
New York Yankee with his showing so far in Philadelphia.
(42:22):
But I like the depth of the Orioles lineup a
little bit more one through nine.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
Stet Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Trader. That's Sean
Paul Morosi. Of course, he covers MLB on Fox MLB Network.
He's our Fox Sports Radio major League Baseball Inside. We're
coming off the trade deadline, which did provide us some
some big name teams making a ton of moves all
right now. The Padres, wow, indeed wow.
Speaker 5 (42:52):
With the moves that they made and the Bullpens. It
was so interesting that basically the theme of the trade
deadline this year was the prices paid for relief pitchers.
And look what the Padres did to get both Tanner
Scott and Jason Adam's and Koenig as well in the
trade from the Marlins. They are one of the most
aggressive teams in baseball. And Doug, it's not just that
(43:16):
it's what they did at the end of March with
Dylan Cees, it's what they did early in the season
with Luisa Rajaz. I love that there are certain teams
in this industry who will go for it and certain
executives who have done this long enough that they simply
do not care about the downside of making mistakes. And
(43:36):
Jerry Depoto is that way in Seattle. Aj Prull is
that way in San Diego. Dave Dombrowski is that way
in Philadelphia. Dave Dombrowski is going to be a Hall
of Fame GM because of deadlines like the one that
he just had, he saw that his team needed a closer.
He brought in Carloso Stevens. He even acknowledged, yeah, I
probably overpaid, but I got the guy that I wanted.
(43:57):
And the Padres did the same thing. So they're a
team that we talk about. Are they superstar for superstar
on the level of the Dodgers. No, they're not, but
I think when they're totally held it, they've got a
puncher's chance still. And remember in the last postseason series
between the Dodgers and the Padres, the Padres won, and
(44:19):
the Padres have been to the NLCS more recently than
the Dodgers. So we talk about the Dodgers a lot,
and we should, but I love what the Padres did
and they're going to be a team where when your
bullpet is that great. I know I talked earlier about
the Dodgers concerns they're with their rotation, But when your
bullpet is that great and your rotation is stable enough,
(44:42):
I mean, remember, they added someone in Dylan See who
I think can get them deep into games. We saw
the no hitter. He's someone that is elite and able
to go deep into ball games. The Padres have the
kind of guy in Dylan see that. I'm not sure
the Dodgers have right now with their with their rotation
in terms of the currently healthy pitchers. So I'm a
(45:03):
big fano what the Padres did, and they made that
NL West race a whole lot more interesting. Just in
the last several days, have you been.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
Able to find out what actually happened to Mike trow we'
wouldn't hold setback.
Speaker 5 (45:14):
What happened, Well, Doug, it's I think it is all
part of the same chain of woe, if you will.
Concerning Trout situation, I do think that his body just
is simply not responding to the various stresses that he's
tried to put it through to just get back on
the field, and for whatever reason, he can't do it.
(45:37):
And I don't know, to be honest with you, Doug,
we've talked before about the Angels. We talked a lot
last year about the deadline and should they have traded
to show a Honestly, as a baseball person, I'm just
sad right now because I'm sad when a team goes
through what they have gone through in the last couple
of years, where they made a very well intentioned signing
(45:59):
of render and it wasn't the right move, but they
were trying to win. That has not worked out Trout basically,
he hasn't had many great moments since the World Baseball
Classic a year ago, and then Otani's no longer there.
So yeah, they've got some good young players and Netto
and o'hapi and others, but it's just not the same team.
(46:20):
And Doug, it pains me to say that, we just
don't know we're ever going to see Mike Trout having
a healthy, productive, one hundred and fifty five game season. Again,
we just don't know, and I think that the last
several years have proven that. I know there were whispers
at different times about potentially having there be a trademarket
(46:41):
for Andres, just there's not He's not able to play
enough for that to be the case. So it's a
difficult time right now for the Angels and by extension
from Major League Baseball, because he's been one of the
faces of the game and right now it's just not
working out for Mike Trout and the Angels.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
Is there a team you mentioned you basically liked on
some level what the Dodgers did. You know, We're a
little surprised by the Yankees, impressed by the Orioles. You
like the risk that the Padres took. Who don't you
like who did something like? I don't what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (47:12):
What are we doing here?
Speaker 5 (47:13):
Well? I think the Twins should have done more because
I look at them, and when they're healthy, they're a
dangerous team. And I know they were talking a lot
of different teams. Dereck Falvey's a really imaginative, forward looking GM.
I just think Doug that they were not able to
get the right value for whatever reason. But this to
(47:34):
me felt like a year in which the Twins should
have been.
Speaker 3 (47:36):
Going for Now.
Speaker 5 (47:37):
They might tell you in a candid moment that when
they signed Carlos Korea that that was a lot of
their budget and that would crowd them out from doing
big things of the deadline. Okay, maybe that's true. But
I see a team that's good but not great, and honestly,
they did substantially less than what their division rivals in
(47:59):
Kansas City and Cleveland did, and so I think that
those two teams have now moved ahead of them. The
Tigers had an okay deadline. I think selling wise, they
probably didn't do as much as they could have done.
I like it when it's seller like Toronto and they
realize where they're at and they're they're looking into the future,
they just they make some moves and they and they
(48:19):
made a ton of moves, including some controllable talent. I
like that, lean into it when you're not a competitive team,
go for it and look to the future. The Jays
did that, I think very well. The Marlins did that
exceptionally well. The Tigers, I think we're sort of tepping
at the deadline, and I think they probably could have
done a bit more.
Speaker 1 (48:39):
Stut Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports. Sure, that's voice, said
John palmerrosis our Fox Sports Radio Major League Baseball Inside.
You see them all around on TV as well. JP.
Speaker 5 (48:47):
Thanks so much for join us, Doug, my pleasure, my
friend always loved talking baseball. Got some great Pennant races ahead,
and we'll be talking some some Green Bay hoops as
well next time around.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
Okay, no question, we should absolutely do it. Maybe a
little Michigan football too. That's that's that's the great John
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we're getting ready to watch Team USA rematch against South Sudan,
a team they survived in a friendly. They are a
twenty nine point favorite, and Steve Kerr has done exactly
(00:51):
what I hoped he would not do, but he's doing
it and is starting line up there. Jay su Starting
lineup guys includes not only Anthony Davis at the center
position as Joe Mbie has continued to struggle, but it
also includes Jason Tatum, who famously did not play d
(01:15):
NP DNPCD in his first game, and look again, there
is there are plenty of reasonable ways to look at
this thing, but starting him from not playing him and
let me reiterate something that when awful announcing picks up
(01:37):
our sound. When other sites pick up our sounds, sometimes
they miss on something. Remember what I'm speaking from his
actual experience. I understand that the players are not nearly
to the level of the US men's national team. I'm
fully aware of that. What I'm trying to point out, though,
is that I have a working knowledge and feeling about
(01:58):
coaching teams where you have twelve viable players on some level,
guys that want and expect to play, and really having
the only the ability to play ten and you kind
of got to break things down. And I get he
was first team All NBA three last three years, but
whatever their evaluation was led them to put him eleventh
(02:19):
on the depth chart last game. So even though the
matchups changed, and that's fair to go from not playing
to starting outside from the fact that you're going to
get to rest. You know, if look, Lebron doesn't want
to play because he wants to rest, but I don't
see that happening. We just get we're getting super silly
with it. We're getting to the point where it feels
like that old adage of if the second you start
(02:41):
listening to fans, next thing, you know, you become one
of them, Right, And I just I can only watch
this thing and think, that's what's happening here is we
are giving in to pressure, and that's you can't do
that when you're the coach of a team as important
as as the US men's national team. Just can't. The
(03:06):
trade deadline has come and gone. I don't know, I'm
just fired up at at Dan Byer's last update. Right,
if you listen, dan Byer's update was Jackson Holliday, who
just got called up. And remember he's not only a
friend of the program, he's a personal friend of mine.
(03:28):
I guess like I'm more friends with his dad, right,
But Jackson is a great, great I don't wanna say kid,
because he's married and he's an adult, but he's an
awesome dude. And I'm just incredibly happy for him because
it was pretty miserable last time around, right, I mean,
what was he It was like two for thirty or something.
(03:50):
I was there for his last game, which he did
have one hidden, but he was his numbers were were
just bad. I mean imagine that, right, You don't you
don't do anything your first time around, nothing, your first
time around up in the majors. You go back, you
crush in the minors for second straight year. There's only
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second year in minor league baseball, and you know they
time it out, They wait, they wait till after the
trade deadline. People obviously wanted you. You get called up
and now you hit a Grand Slam home run. That's
not bad. I can't imagine what that feels like. You know,
that's the how you like me now? And that was basic.
(04:36):
But anyway, we'll keep an eye on this South Sudan game.
We mentioned to you the trade deadline stuff, which I
don't want to say it was. It was boring because
that's it. Wasn't that your take, Jase stew Is like,
it's just it's it's baseball's chance to really make noise,
make hay and they kind of butchered because all you
(04:57):
hear is these these relievers and you haven't heard of
The one point though, is that isn't that how you
win postseason baseball? Like had the Dodgers done that last year,
win your Dodgers have won the World Series.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Oh, I don't know about that, but I will say this,
there are there's a finite number of days on the
calendar for baseball to be relevant, and yesterday was one
of them. And I think like eighty percent of the
players were relievers that nobody's heard of. There's no fix,
there's no one to blame. It's just that MLB always
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tends to be uninteresting at times when they should be
making news. So that's just kind of my lamenting.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
I think it's a great point. It's kind of like
the Mike Trout thing all over again, and not that
obviously Mike trouton only wasn't traded yesterday, but apparently had
a setback. My point about it being a Mike Trout
thing is that for years we've heard, well, Mike Trout.
They're not promoting Mike Trout. You know, Baseball doesn't, the
Angels don't because they're not. My point, it's like, what
(06:00):
do you want him to do? You know, I'm I'm
not exactly sure what you want him to do other than,
you know, pants somebody as he's as he's running around
the basis, it's like the only thing I can think of,
because you can't make a sport that's kind of uninteresting interesting.
It's to the baseball dork, yesterday's yesterday's run on relievers
(06:25):
is incredibly important because well, that's what the sport has become,
especially in the postseason. But to anybody else's boring his
sin yet, that's how you build a championship team is
you don't do it with adding a big bopper late
in the year. You do it by adding arms. Is
there any bitterness over something the Dodgers didn't didn't do, Jason,
(06:46):
that's led you to feel that way.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yeah, I mean the Dodgers. According to everybody who reviewed
the Dodgers moves at the deadline, the Dodgers got away
with murder. They didn't give up any prospects, and they
got like four, like a couple of utility guys, a
reliever and a starter.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
But none of them really moved the needle.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
You know, none of them are going to get anybody's
interest outside of Dodger fans.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Yeah, I get it. But what we'll get interest is
if the Dodgers win the World Series, no doubt. I mean,
that'll get a substantial amount of interest. And I think
that's important not just to the Dodgers, but also to
the league itself. Like the league needs the Dodgers, the league,
the league needs the Yankees to go deep into the
playoffs and best case scenario is them to play in
the World Series.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Who do you think is a bigger, bigger need for
baseball Yankees or Dodgers Yankees. Yeah, that's what I thought too,
And I thought maybe it was with Showhey, it could
change a little bit, but I just kind of think
that the Yankees are just on that even still just
(07:55):
that different level.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Yep, I agree.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
I don't think it's I don't think it's actually close.
Again when you get Jason agreeing with you Dodger fans like,
I mean, plus we're in the media, but we get it.
But yeah, it's it's not close. I mean some of
it is, you know, historical success with all the World Series.
So they're they're frankly very much like they are more
successful version of the Cowboys. And that's because you know,
(08:19):
when so many people were now adults, were kids, the
Yankees were winning all those World Series with Derek Cheeter
and Bernie Williams, et cetera, et cetera. So I think
that's what it's about. They're they're both iconic franchises. It's
just the Yankee thing is different. It's just it's just different,
the level of importance of everything, and there's just a
greater level of passion in the over the overall sports fan.
(08:42):
It doesn't mean, you know, Dodger fans will sit there go, hey,
we draw four million people like that's great, okay, But
the Yankees do too, and just their TV numbers far
exceeded because people that don't grow up in UH and
around l A aren't aren't aren't Dodger fans, whereas there
are Gang fans everywhere. And I think most of it
(09:02):
is because they won when people were younger, and people
become fans of teams that win. It's really it really
is that simple. I mean, that's Lebron and that's how
Lebron James clearly became a Yankee fan, right, He's a
front runner, you know. And I'm and and as much
as that sounds like you're being I'm being critical of
Lebron James. The reality is, when you're a kid, you're
(09:23):
growing up in Ohio, a lot of people aren't baseball fans.
You are a baseball fan. You're going to be fans
with whatever team you think is the best. And Derek
Jeter frankly made the Yankee made the Yankees cool for
a long time. So I don't know if that answers
your question.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
I think a good barometer is a you know, Jazz
Chisholm in those first three games with the Yankees. If
you would have done it for any other team, including
the Dodgers, I think it would be kind of a
nice story. But watch I think Jazz Chisholm's last you
know whatever twelve at bats is going to go down
in history, like Yankee fans everywhere are going to remember
(09:56):
what Jazz Chisholm did in late July of this year.
It's when you do things on that team, it hits different.
I think that's what a good barometer is. As far
as why the Yankees are more relevant.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
There is something interesting though about They've had so many
guys that have had these unbelievable first runs. We mentioned
we talked about Gary Sanchez back when he was a rookie,
when he got called up and we had that discussion.
What was it was something like twenty six home runs
and fifty three through fifty three games, something.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Crazy like that thing.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Yes, and yeah, it turns out not so much. What
was the guy's name?
Speaker 3 (10:32):
This is?
Speaker 1 (10:32):
This is a Dan Byer is probably the only one
who can get this one, but maybe you can't do Jason?
Was it Moss? Didn't they have a guy Kevin? Didn't
he get wasn't Wasn't he on a call up? Something unbelievable?
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Yeah, I think he either got called up or maybe
was up in August, hit like eighteen home runs in
his first ten games or something.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Stupid, something crazy.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
If only is would it continued, that upper deck rookie
card would have been worth something these days.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
No doubt. I think I still have some.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Moss was in that group of where you thought like
you were going to be a millionaire because of the
rookie cards he pulled from upper deck for sure. Like
Eric Anthony of the Astros, he was part of that.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
I thought Greg Jefferies, right, wasn't Greig Jefferies?
Speaker 5 (11:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Greg Jefferies was the ultimate like rookie cards sort of dude,
and I have tons of them. And he was a
nice met but he wasn't what he was perceived to be.
And because he was in the era of the rookie
rated cards. We think he's way better. Okay, Plus we
got Caleb Williams is not going to play in the
Hall of Fame game. We talked about this going back
(11:47):
to two days ago we were in Chicago on how
he said he wanted to play, but we all kind
of knew he wasn't going to. Feels like he's playing
to all of our heartstrings, Caleb saying all the right things.
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(12:27):
felt like he gave it to some pressure. I'm sure
he planned on playing Jason Tatum. I don't know if
he played on starting Jason Tatum, but he started him.
He's fine. Second group really extended the lead, got to
twenty and it's nineteen right now as we start the
second half or the third quarter if you will, in Paris, France.
(12:47):
But listen, it's a Wednesday, and every Wednesday is a
hump day. It's the middle of the week, the middle
of the show, the middle of the day. We play
the midway. He's not getting the middle time for the midword. Okay,
so here's how the midway usually works. We got a
(13:10):
group text throw out ideas and Sam went into a
long dissertation and as you all know, I have ADHD.
That's a long ass text. At least Sam is honest
enough with us to say he's a long texture, which
is fine. But the basic premise of it, I believe
is that hey, the NBA, the NFL preseason is obsolete, right,
(13:35):
It's worse and worse, worse and worse and worse. Correct.
Speaker 7 (13:38):
Absolutely, And by the way, we are all discussing this
during the break. Much more annoying being the eight texts
in one to two minutes guy versus the long text guy,
because if your if your phone is buzzing, you know,
eight to ten times in two minutes, like, just get
it all out in one or two texts?
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Do you have what's that I get?
Speaker 2 (14:00):
My sister has one of those tendencies where I'll go
away from my phone for a while and I'll arrive
to twenty text messages and I'll be like, who the
heck has been texting me? And it's my sister, and it's.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Like, can't wait for a response.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
It's the most random piling on word sentences for twenty
text messages.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
You know.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
The funny thing is is when we have this group chat,
I feel seventy five percent of the group chats are
from Sam yep, and then about I don't know, fifteen
percent from Jason, and at about ten percent from Doug.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Well, hold on, now, Jason is usually the instigator of
the topic and he but you can instigate me.
Speaker 7 (14:44):
I can go overboard and devote, you know, my critical
thesis to whatever we're talking about.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Yeah, Dan just takes all in and laughs at us.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
I just I hate texting, and I know it's probably
my age.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
I'm probably an old guy. I just too. I just here,
I am. Yeah, it's like a compulsion. It's let's hear
of the last ten texts.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Sam Sam, Sam, Jason, Jason, Doug Sam, Doug Sam, Sam Sam.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
That's that's not fair sample size there, Dan, come on,
go back.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
To previous to that, Dan's Jason Sam Sam, Jason Sam
Sam Jason.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
Thing.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Keep going as far as you can.
Speaker 7 (15:32):
I swear there was a time where I didn't say
anything and you guys just had a conversation amongst the
three of you.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
But that was not recent.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
There is there is a text Shan that doesn't include you.
That's true.
Speaker 7 (15:41):
Oh okay, yeah, stuff you don't want me to know now,
you know why? Yeah, about thirty minutes ago. About thirty
minutes ago.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
I do need to let the listeners know on the
on this one though, there's a pet peeve of mine
too that Sam goes, you know, thirty minutes ago.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Doug was like, I wonder how many people.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Have hit Grand slams as our first home run the
major weeks?
Speaker 3 (16:01):
So I went on chat.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Because Jackson, because Jackson Holiday did that today.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Okay, I went on.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Chat GPD and they they told me a ton of
people have done it, but Joe DiMaggio did it. That's
pretty cool. That's good company for Jackson. So I put
it on the chat hoping that you might be able
to use it on the air. I was providing content
for error, and then Sam wrote a massive text message
about something to techso to.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Totally drown out I redeem.
Speaker 7 (16:30):
I am aware of that where you send something good,
good content, a joke or something to a group text,
and then somebody just immediately throws in something completely unrelated
and you're like, now all the attention is off that
good work I just did, And that's what that's what's
that's what Jason's complaining about.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
I love that we've used six minutes to just pile
on me.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
And it's no, it's been great. It's been good.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
I'm enjoying it.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
You take it well, you take your champ okay, So
you think it's irrelevant, I'll allow you to make your point,
and then we'll all make our points on other things
we think are irrelevant in sports. Is that fair? Is
that an okay?
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Or is it NFL training camps? Is that our preseason
was that the specific? Or's all around sports?
Speaker 5 (17:15):
Well?
Speaker 1 (17:15):
His was NFL training camps. And I thought our way,
we could either discuss what he has to say or
have our own irrelevant gotcha things that happen in sports, Dan,
which you prefer.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
I had an irrelevant thing because Jason said well, Jason's
point was like, let's talk about the top storylines. And
I said, I've got some least interesting storylines.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
And Jesson, I love that one too.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
We both love it that that was a lot better.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Okay, so let's stick with the NFL. And and and Sam,
you believe the NFL's preseason is uninteresting and should be
essentially deleted.
Speaker 7 (17:53):
Yes, we'll stick with the irrelevance train of thought here.
Uh yeah, these are just it's just an excuse to
open up this doors for you know, a couple extra times,
you know, because you have to pay for these preseason
games with your standard season ticket package. These are players.
We don't recognize. These are players. It's just not good
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quality football. A part of watching football I feel like
is the NFL is so elite because of the name
recognition and that coincides with the quality of play.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
But we don't know who these guys are.
Speaker 7 (18:23):
No offense, what they're playing at, like Saginaw State and
you know Eastern Tennessee Tech and you know Panera Bread
State is Coln likes to say, so, you know, not
that they aren't great athletes and they're they are trying
to make the roster, but a lot of times, these
preseason games don't mean Diddley squad for making the roster
or not. Like a guy could have a fumble, a
quarterback could have three picks and he still might make
(18:44):
the roster or he might mind. It just has no
bearing on what they're actually doing in terms of evaluating talent.
So I don't know what is a preseason game is
a step up from just going to a practice and
watching because at least you're watching some of the A
and B squad, you're watching the ones and the twos
face off against each other. And these preseason games you're not.
You're watching these unknown players and you're going, you know,
(19:07):
nineteen thirteen, we'd twenty nine to eleven, like just weird scores.
It's not good quality football, and it's and if you
don't know who's playing, then it's like, why don't you
just go, you know, watch a minor league baseball game instead?
Speaker 3 (19:21):
At least they're a team, at least they knew who's
on the rutch. Could I give Sam some advice? And
I'm not trying to pile on.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
I'm actually serious about this because I don't disagree with
you for what you're saying but if you'd allow me, yes.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Some things just aren't for you. Sure, sure you know.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
And that's and that's the thing that I've actually learned
about preseason because you talk to these football heads, they
love it.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Like you talk to our buddy Busted Brooks.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Bucky Brooks loves this stuff, loves to see guys and
how they're working.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Because he's a recruiter, he was a recruiter, and but
he's also a football guy.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
So there is like a small So that's what I'm
just saying, is like this is not it's just not
for you, Like this is not your thing. There are
people who find extreme value into it, into it, whether
it be teams or whether it be some football fans,
whether it be fans who maybe aren't able to afford
to go to a regular season game that they can
at least get their kids inside the stadium to maybe
see like there's value in all of that.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
It's just that the preseason games just may not be
for you.
Speaker 7 (20:16):
But if we're watching these games to see it as
like a pipeline to the active roster when the season starts,
if that's if that doesn't exist, then like yeah, you
could be like Bucky and you could. You could be
like I want to get to know all these guys
and you know, really run down the roster, every single
player and what his background is. That's great, but I
feel like that's a tiny little sliver for the rest
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of us. We're just watching this, Like I.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Would tell you, like, yeah, I mean listen. I went
to I'll soften a little bit on this in that
I love football, especially college football. Like I feel like
Dan and I are kindred spirits and our true love
and passion for college football. So when I went to
Packers practice, went to the Bears practice the other day,
like watching all these guys that I saw play in college,
like ooh, I'm trying to identify I remember what college,
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but now it's like multiple colleges as well. But the preseason,
it's just I I, you just don't play guys like
you don't play anybody of substance? Why should I watch?
Speaker 3 (21:13):
That's okay, Yeah, that's where they're following out for me,
the starters.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
So Dan, what are your other irrelevant? I have my
own things that are relevant within the NFL. What are
yours the other irrelevant?
Speaker 4 (21:24):
You know, it's funny. I'm gonna call him our buddy.
I know he's more your buddy than ours, but I
consider him a friend. Brandon Christal, covering the Broncos out
of Denver, sent out a tweet today and actually forgot
what Brandon actually was tweeting about, but made a passing
line joking about nothing's happening with the Denver Broncos. Their
quarterback decision completely irrelevant, No one cares, and it's got
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bo Nix and Zach Wilson in it. Like there's a
like there's a quarterback situation in the National Football League
that is up in the air, and last year I
felt like it was kind of the Buccaneers a little bit,
but Baker Mayfield still like had a name with it,
and Baker ended up being beating out Kyle Trask as
the starter. But we don't know who the starter is
in Denver. There's a first round pick involved, there's a
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guy who we you know, have trashed over the last
five seasons, and it's a team that's moving away from
Russell Wilson for his tenure there because Sean Payton's not
the head coach, and I don't think anybody outside of
the Mile High City cares one iota who the Denver
Broncos quarterback is.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
I agree with you, But again, part of it is
part of it like Brandon's just trying to do his job, right,
I mean, we you know, but.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
I was actually supporting Brandon in reports of like, yeah, dude,
I'm with you because I don't think that we care
even and he's he's in Denver and it's maybe feeling
the same sort of thing. So no, it was a
it was not not a knock at him at all.
It was more of a of a tip of the
cap to him.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Here's here's my irrelevant story line. Like again, guys who
are under contract and holding out and like, I just
I don't know. It just wears me out. It's like
the CD LAMB back and forth, you know, saying he
was low ball and the Cowboys are like, hey, he
didn't actually even want a contract extension last year, Like
(23:12):
wait what, I just you know, And then we're trying
to read Brandon a yuckschuk shows up at practice and
he DAPs up you know, John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan
and we try and read that into Okay, wait, what
does that mean? Does that mean that he's if he
signed a deal, does that mean that he's agreed to
play on this last contract.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
What is it?
Speaker 1 (23:30):
What exactly does that mean? I just I don't know
the inner workings of people's contracts when they're under contract.
I don't care, and I don't I just don't care
that much about I don't should.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Give a quick update.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
Salesu Danus closed the gap a little bit on Team USA.
Sixty five point fifty two now, four minutes to go
in the third quarter. No midware, Sal Sudan. I'm scoring
the Americans sixteen to ten so far in this third quarter.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Fincherman, Jase do most irrelevant thing about the NFL by now?
Speaker 2 (24:04):
I like, the most irrelevant thing I think in maybe
of all sports right now, I think is the eighteen
game schedule talk.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
I think that.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Anything that can't happen until what twenty twenty five is
completely unnecessary to talk about the eighteen game schedule seems
like it's going to be imminent, but I'm not concerned
about it whatsoever, and it can impact this this current season,
so that storyline is definitely petered out for me. And
(24:39):
this Minnesota Vikings situation, there seems to be a lot
of energy towards trying to make JJ McCarthy the quarterback
in Minnesota, and he's obviously not ready, but it's not
very interesting. He wasn't he wasn't a very good college
quarterback as far as I was concerned. And Sam Darnold
(24:59):
at the very least has games underneath his belt. He's
he's relevant, he's he's a pro, and I'm guessing he'll
just get the nod this season until McCarthy could get better.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
No, I mean, you guys know me. I mean, apparently
Colin is another stockholder. I'm like, I always think I'm
the loan stockholder in Sam Donold LLC. Because I'm still
a believer and I feel like if he gets a
chance with a good team for all entire season, he
can make it sing. But again that's maybe that's a
pipe dream. I don't know, as he's just a placeholder
for JJ McCarthy. But yeah, I think the like I
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think relevant storylines are kickoffs. I could be dumb here
and Dan this is maybe you're me and you are
the same. Like when they changed the the field goal
rule an extra point rule, I thought that was gigantic.
It's turned out to be. I believe the biggest rule
change in the history of the sport in terms of
points and and I mean you go from a ninety
(25:55):
nine point nine percent make to now in the load
to mid nineties, that's a huge change. I think this
kickoff rule is gigantic, whereas so much of the other
stuff we talk about has no effect on the actual gameplay.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
I love the talk on the extra point because I
think there's also a couple of things. And yeah, I
don't think you're necessarily wrong with that. The extra point
when it changed, if you think back in the day,
it gave us an extra thirty seconds to go and
go to the bathroom or get a drink or whatever
in a day where there wasn't pausing the game and
stopping the game so your team scores, you could go
(26:33):
and use that thirty seconds to do whatever, because then
they would just go to commercial right afterwards. That is
no longer a given plus now and it's been around
in the NFL for a while, But there was a
time when there was no two point conversion, and now
the two point conversion, with the lack of guarantee on
the extra point, the two point conversion has become so
(26:55):
much more of a play. So to your point of
that being the biggest rule change. Yeah, because the no
effects of it are pretty stark as well.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Can we talk about this new technology, the Hawkeye type?
Speaker 6 (27:09):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (27:09):
I think Dad's got some update on that.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
I just had one question, are there any updates on
the hawk tula ie technology?
Speaker 1 (27:19):
How long you been sitting on that one? As soon
as you saw the Hawkeye, You're like, oh, I like
a hawk time and I can. I can figure out
a line. I can figure out a hawk to a line.
Speaker 7 (27:28):
He sat on it too long? Because hawk Tua has
exited stage left. Nobody cares disagree. I disagree, Well, I'm over.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
I've said it here on Fox Sports Radio that I
thought that the NFL should have gotten the deal with
like Johnsonville and use sausage links instead of chain links
for their yardage markers. Like that would have been great,
just rolling out ten yards of sausage on the field,
and it would be a great way to market it.
But with this technology, you would no longer need the
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chain game to go out and and measure the spot
by the referee. The it's not a chip and a
football sort of thing. It's just where the referee puts it.
And instead of calling an officials timeout and bringing the
chains out and having the measurement. You would have it
done by technology. So I am fine with it. And
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the good thing about is we see it in tennis,
and I think one of the great things about tennis
is the drama that it builds when they do the zoom.
There is a lot of drama in the pulling of
the of the of the chains and whether someone gets
a first down or not. You could bring that drama
to the video board and TV if you do it
like tennis does. So I actually think this is a
(28:38):
good thing with the NFL, but not going too far
with technology.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Yeah, I can.
Speaker 7 (28:45):
I just say that the chain link thing has like
we call football a game of inches, but with measuring
down in distance the inches, the game of inches is
the margin of error because you know, it's just it's
a farce, like with guys measure and it's like the
nose of a football like it is this hawkeye technology
really going to fix anything?
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Yeah a little, But at.
Speaker 8 (29:06):
The spot of the we get bad spots all the time.
That can't matter about the spot. The spot is separate spot. Okay,
So but you're yeah, yes, and you're still gonna get
bad spots. You're not wasting the time to measure if
that bad spot was a first down or not.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Guys, I was.
Speaker 7 (29:20):
I'm really going to miss those Chain Gang guys getting
bowled over by players on the sideline.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
You know, that's what I'm going to miss the most
broken hips and blown a cls.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
I'm sure they won't miss it.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Mel those guys, I mean, like, so now they go
just work at Walmart full time because they're old. Because
they're old.
Speaker 5 (29:36):
That was?
Speaker 1 (29:36):
That was right? No, I know I got a greater
well I didn't, right, I want to understand, yes, uh shanging.
Speaker 7 (29:44):
I'm also against this Hawkeye technology because I don't want
the word Hawkeye being commondeered for anything but the main
character from the Last of the Mohicans, a character from
Marvel and the Iowah Hawk gys.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
I don't like. Now it's just going to be isn't
there a mash he down?
Speaker 7 (30:01):
There were several awesome characters named Hawkeye and the Iowa Hawkeyes,
and now it's watered down to with you know, some
tech piece of technology.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
By the way, I highly recommend Deadpool and Wolverine Good
good again. And I got there because of the Hawkeyes
come to Wolverines and we were talking about you mentioned Marvel.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Sorry is it Jeremy Renner? Was Hawkeye.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Short?
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Thing like that?
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close game is now at ten point game, and is
that Anthony Edwards with a one man press and gets
(31:45):
a steal. And interestingly enough, Team USA is now up
twenty six to fourteen. That lead has been extended since
subbing Kevin Durant into the game. And by the way
they took out Anthony Davis, they went small, not playing
(32:05):
any any of their bigs. No Bam, no Anthony Davis,
no joyl Embiid, but also no Jason Tatum, who started
the game and was fine. It was fine, but clearly
trying to change the tempo and go with a smaller lineup.
So coach k coached several of these things, right, I
(32:27):
think what four four gold medals, and of those names,
Kobe Bryant Lebron James are the two biggest names you
know that he has coached. This was This was Mike
Krzyzewski on who he believes is the greatest Olympian of
(32:51):
all time.
Speaker 9 (32:52):
Well, I think he is because of longevity and accomplishment,
it's unique. But the amount of points he scored, he's
he scored a lot more than anyone else, and Jim
and when he did them. When he scored in Istanbul
in twenty ten, he averaged thirty three points a game
(33:13):
in the Metal round. Obviously in London he was part
of the huge team that we have with Lebron and Kobe.
And in twenty sixteen in Rio he was by far
our best scorer and really what our team to the
gold medal.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Yeah, so he said that Kevin Durant is the best
Olympian he ever coached. Now, I want to make sure
he said best scorer. I agree he's the best scorer.
But fascinating that he didn't. You know, he didn't mention Kobe.
And I'm sure if given a chance to think about it,
because of Kobe's popularity and because of their relationship, he
(33:51):
would have mentioned Kobe as the best maybe competitor, But
no mention Lebron James. He said Kevin Rant. Now he
also said because of the longevity, but Lebron's been on
and nearly the same number of Olympic teams as well, Biro,
what do you read into that comment or can you
read anything into that comment?
Speaker 3 (34:10):
Honestly, Doug, I don't read much into it.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
I mean, you know, he he likes Kevin Durant for
who he's seen and has been around. And I mean,
you know, Michael Jordan is a name that you know
would probably pop up at times.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
But yeah, I don't, I don't. I don't read much into.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
It, all right, can let me tell you on something?
Me tell me if you buy it? Okay, I think
that we have gotten to a place where a lot
of people are finally you know, you hear a lot
of current players, you know, talking about how he's their
favorite player. He's there, you know, the greatest scorer ever. Whatever.
I just I liken him to Kareem abdul Jabbar, where
(34:52):
I think he's awesome, and I think, like Kareem abdul Jabbar,
incredible player. Kareem doesn't get mentioned. And there's a litany
of reasons why. Right, One, he played a little bit
too long. Two he was overshadowed by Magic, and I
think Magic was much more dynamic player, and and and
(35:12):
was much more of a I mean, he literally changed
the game of the NBA and changed how we view
the NBA. So it's part of it's overshadowed by magic.
Part of it is he played too long, and I
think part of it is the fact that you know,
like Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Kevin Durant can run hot and
(35:33):
cold with the media and with people in general and
just out of a place of honesty. Both very bright
guys as well. And I think this is one way
of hey, hey, remember this guy. He may say some things,
the Warriors thing may have made you mad as a fan,
but the reality is he may not be the greatest
player of all time, but he's right there in every conversation.
(35:55):
Case in point, I coached USA basketball, he's the greatest
player ever, or the play you are in basketball?
Speaker 4 (36:01):
Yeah, in Olympic basketball and USA basketball a little different
just because of Coach K bringing up the twenty ten
in Istanbul and if we've just looked back at the
Olympic Games in terms of you know, where these guys
have played, maybe the argument, I don't know if the
argument changes or not, but to Coach K's point of
he's coached him in all these different different events that
(36:23):
it could be. I also think it's the fact that
Kevin Durant is probably not going to win another NBA title,
so now you look where he is in his career
where I don't know if you can say that with
Eddie Davis and Lebron the way people are loving how
they look with Team USA. But I mean, right now,
I think kind of Durant at that point, after you
get swept in the playoffs by the Timberwolves, if you're
the feeding Suns, how much does Durrant have left in
(36:45):
the tank as being the guy that leads an NBA
title team.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
That's a great point. Doug Gottliebs show here on Fox
Sports Tradio, we get a John Palmrosi in a second.
How cool is that?
Speaker 5 (36:53):
Though?
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Right, Mike for Jackson and who got the call up
earlier and didn't do much. Now he gets a second
call up and hits a Grand Slam. How many I'm
sure Elias is going to give this this right. How
many guys have hit their first career home run as
a Grand Slam home run? I'd love to know that
number would have to be a small number, right, first
(37:17):
career home runs a Grand Slam what is few a
first career home runs a Grand Slam is only to
be topped or fewer people will only be first career
home runs a walk off. But that's pretty spectacular stuff.
By the way, USA is up thirty six to seventeen.
They're basically played with Bam and you know, four other
(37:41):
smaller wings or whatever. But Steph barely playing the disrespect
is Steph Curry disrespect? Four players have hit their first
home run to be a Grand Slam.
Speaker 7 (37:50):
The Internet is telling me, Wikipedia saying Bill Dougleby in
eighteen ninety eight, jeer old Bill Dougleby, Bill, Bill dougle By,
Remember Back of the Lake at eighteen Four players, Yes,
Jeremy Hermida, Kevin Nick, Kevin Kuzmanoff, and Daniel Nava.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Okay, I've heard five six jam. Paulm Rossi joins us
in the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. We're
all Jackson Holiday fans here. How about he gets called up?
He it's a Grand Slam H for his first ever
career home run? JP. What what about yesterday and the
trade deadline? Surprise you the most?
Speaker 5 (38:31):
That's a great question, Doug. First of all, goome that afternoon.
What surprised me the most that the Yankees did not
get a starting pitcher, And I know that was a
big theme of Brian Cashman's news conference today where he
was asked by a lot of New York reporters why
it didn't work out, And I think the reality is
that there was, As Ken Rosenthal reported, of course the
(38:52):
Great MLB on Fox Reporter, there were some worries on
the part of the Yankees about Jack Flaherty's medicals coming
back from the time. And I suppose at the end
of the day the Dodgers felt comfortable enough to acquire him.
And that was unique and interesting that one team, in
one team's opinion that the risk was okay and other
teams it wasn't. And listen, it's not You're not signing
(39:15):
Jack Blerdy this moment to a seven or eight year
contract by the next two months, and time will tell
if with all the Yankees uncertainty with their rotation. And look,
they played well this week in Philadelphia, so maybe they're
starting to turn the corner. But I am still doug
a little bit concerned about the Yankees' rotation depth.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Okay, what about the Dodgers and what they did, you know,
I mean again, last year it felt like they didn't
invest in the bullpen, didn't really go for it.
Speaker 5 (39:46):
What about this year, well, they certainly invested them. They
added Michael Kopek to the bullpen. They brought in, of course, yesterday,
Kevin Kiermeyer. They also made the move to bring in Flerty.
As we discussed, I'm Medversari comes back to. I think
in general, this is a better team, more complete team
now than it was in the year ago. Of course,
(40:07):
now they've got Otani. A year ago they did not.
But Doug, to me, the big question is the one
that the statistics that I'm going to keep saying until
the Dodgers break the streak, and their chance to do
that will be in October, is that they have played
fifteen straight postseason games in which their starting pitcher is
not pitched into the sixth inning. And it's really hard
to win games over a long stretch of the postseason
(40:27):
without a starting pitcher who's getting you at least into
the sixth inning and beyond. And so we'll see if Flaherty,
with the back issue that he had here recently with Detroit.
I tend to think he'll be just fine for the Dodgers,
but I also worry a bit about what Clayton Kershaw
is going to look like in October, what Tyler glassw
is going to look like in October. There are other
question marks on his team right now, and I think Doug,
(40:49):
in general, they are the most complete roster right now,
I would say in the National League. But I see
some potential threats to them elsewhere. I look at the
Phillies and still being a really good team. They're not
playing well right now, but they're still an excellent ball club.
So I think it's going to be a really tough,
tough task for the Dodgers to make it to the
World Series, even with their abundance of stars right now.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
What about the Orioles, I love what they did.
Speaker 5 (41:15):
I think that Doug, they're one of the teams that
I say won the trade deadline because you look at
what they were able to do that they brought up
Trevor Rodgers from Miami and that deal they gave up
sours In Norby in that deal. I think that was
generally speaking, a very fair price for them to pay.
They also have added some bullpen at different times too.
Sar Anthony Dominguez coming over, gregor Risoto coming over as well.
(41:38):
They're a really really solid team. They brought in the
Loy Jimenez as well from the Chicago White Sox has
been injury plagued a little inconsistent. I think that in
general they are a better stronger team now than what
the Yankees are in terms of they had a more
impactful deadline. It's a toss up right now in terms
of which team is stronger than the standings. They'll probably
(41:59):
go back and forth between now in the postseason. But
I do like overall the Orioles roster a little bit
better than the Yankees. And one of the biggest reasons
why is I think they have the deeper lineup one
through nine. I love what the Yankees did with Jazz Chishom.
He's come in and made one of the better entrances
you could ever hope to make for a newly acquired
New York Yankee with his showing so far in Philadelphia.
(42:22):
But I like the depth of the Orioles lineup a
little bit more one through nine.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
Stet Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Trader. That's Sean
Paul Morosi. Of course, he covers MLB on Fox MLB Network.
He's our Fox Sports Radio major League Baseball Inside. We're
coming off the trade deadline, which did provide us some
some big name teams making a ton of moves all
right now. The Padres, wow, indeed wow.
Speaker 5 (42:52):
With the moves that they made and the Bullpens. It
was so interesting that basically the theme of the trade
deadline this year was the prices paid for relief pitchers.
And look what the Padres did to get both Tanner
Scott and Jason Adam's and Koenig as well in the
trade from the Marlins. They are one of the most
aggressive teams in baseball. And Doug, it's not just that
(43:16):
it's what they did at the end of March with
Dylan Cees, it's what they did early in the season
with Luisa Rajaz. I love that there are certain teams
in this industry who will go for it and certain
executives who have done this long enough that they simply
do not care about the downside of making mistakes. And
(43:36):
Jerry Depoto is that way in Seattle. Aj Prull is
that way in San Diego. Dave Dombrowski is that way
in Philadelphia. Dave Dombrowski is going to be a Hall
of Fame GM because of deadlines like the one that
he just had, he saw that his team needed a closer.
He brought in Carloso Stevens. He even acknowledged, yeah, I
probably overpaid, but I got the guy that I wanted.
(43:57):
And the Padres did the same thing. So they're a
team that we talk about. Are they superstar for superstar
on the level of the Dodgers. No, they're not, but
I think when they're totally held it, they've got a
puncher's chance still. And remember in the last postseason series
between the Dodgers and the Padres, the Padres won, and
(44:19):
the Padres have been to the NLCS more recently than
the Dodgers. So we talk about the Dodgers a lot,
and we should, but I love what the Padres did
and they're going to be a team where when your
bullpet is that great. I know I talked earlier about
the Dodgers concerns they're with their rotation, But when your
bullpet is that great and your rotation is stable enough,
(44:42):
I mean, remember, they added someone in Dylan See who
I think can get them deep into games. We saw
the no hitter. He's someone that is elite and able
to go deep into ball games. The Padres have the
kind of guy in Dylan see that. I'm not sure
the Dodgers have right now with their with their rotation
in terms of the currently healthy pitchers. So I'm a
(45:03):
big fano what the Padres did, and they made that
NL West race a whole lot more interesting. Just in
the last several days, have you been.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
Able to find out what actually happened to Mike trow we'
wouldn't hold setback.
Speaker 5 (45:14):
What happened, Well, Doug, it's I think it is all
part of the same chain of woe, if you will.
Concerning Trout situation, I do think that his body just
is simply not responding to the various stresses that he's
tried to put it through to just get back on
the field, and for whatever reason, he can't do it.
(45:37):
And I don't know, to be honest with you, Doug,
we've talked before about the Angels. We talked a lot
last year about the deadline and should they have traded
to show a Honestly, as a baseball person, I'm just
sad right now because I'm sad when a team goes
through what they have gone through in the last couple
of years, where they made a very well intentioned signing
(45:59):
of render and it wasn't the right move, but they
were trying to win. That has not worked out Trout basically,
he hasn't had many great moments since the World Baseball
Classic a year ago, and then Otani's no longer there.
So yeah, they've got some good young players and Netto
and o'hapi and others, but it's just not the same team.
(46:20):
And Doug, it pains me to say that, we just
don't know we're ever going to see Mike Trout having
a healthy, productive, one hundred and fifty five game season. Again,
we just don't know, and I think that the last
several years have proven that. I know there were whispers
at different times about potentially having there be a trademarket
(46:41):
for Andres, just there's not He's not able to play
enough for that to be the case. So it's a
difficult time right now for the Angels and by extension
from Major League Baseball, because he's been one of the
faces of the game and right now it's just not
working out for Mike Trout and the Angels.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
Is there a team you mentioned you basically liked on
some level what the Dodgers did. You know, We're a
little surprised by the Yankees, impressed by the Orioles. You
like the risk that the Padres took. Who don't you
like who did something like? I don't what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (47:12):
What are we doing here?
Speaker 5 (47:13):
Well? I think the Twins should have done more because
I look at them, and when they're healthy, they're a
dangerous team. And I know they were talking a lot
of different teams. Dereck Falvey's a really imaginative, forward looking GM.
I just think Doug that they were not able to
get the right value for whatever reason. But this to
(47:34):
me felt like a year in which the Twins should
have been.
Speaker 3 (47:36):
Going for Now.
Speaker 5 (47:37):
They might tell you in a candid moment that when
they signed Carlos Korea that that was a lot of
their budget and that would crowd them out from doing
big things of the deadline. Okay, maybe that's true. But
I see a team that's good but not great, and honestly,
they did substantially less than what their division rivals in
(47:59):
Kansas City and Cleveland did, and so I think that
those two teams have now moved ahead of them. The
Tigers had an okay deadline. I think selling wise, they
probably didn't do as much as they could have done.
I like it when it's seller like Toronto and they
realize where they're at and they're they're looking into the future,
they just they make some moves and they and they
(48:19):
made a ton of moves, including some controllable talent. I
like that, lean into it when you're not a competitive team,
go for it and look to the future. The Jays
did that, I think very well. The Marlins did that
exceptionally well. The Tigers, I think we're sort of tepping
at the deadline, and I think they probably could have
done a bit more.
Speaker 1 (48:39):
Stut Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports. Sure, that's voice, said
John palmerrosis our Fox Sports Radio Major League Baseball Inside.
You see them all around on TV as well. JP.
Speaker 5 (48:47):
Thanks so much for join us, Doug, my pleasure, my
friend always loved talking baseball. Got some great Pennant races ahead,
and we'll be talking some some Green Bay hoops as
well next time around.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
Okay, no question, we should absolutely do it. Maybe a
little Michigan football too. That's that's that's the great John
Paul morose
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