November 5, 2024 • 45 mins
On a Tuesday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug describes his first night as a division I head coach as his Green Bay Phoenix played his alma mater Oklahoma State Cowboys in Stillwater, OK.
Doug discusses whether or not Todd Bowles should have gone for two at the end of the Bucs' game against the Chiefs Monday night.
Doug welcomes NFL Analyst John Middlekauff onto the show to talk about the key trades at the NFL trade deadline, to also talk about the Cowboys, Chargers and all of the other major headlines around the NFL.
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going to talk about a story that nationally does not
resonate nearly as much as the trade deadline or yeah,
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there's some other stuff, but this is actually a good
day to talk about sports, because if you want to
talk about the election, I want to hear about the election.
Obviously it's everywhere else. So this is a good way
to just catch your breath and set aside time to
catch up on sports and figure out all the trade
deadline deals and why they were done. By the way,
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if you just stay here. We'll talk about all of
that stuff. Dan Byer Jaseu. They made the trek back
to LA from the Sooner State from the Red Dirt
last night. Appreciate you guys setting all that up and
hanging out in the game. We'll talk about that in
a moment. But yeah, we did it. We lost my
first game as a college coach and hosted the radio
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show before, hosted the radio show today, and yeah, I mean,
I appreciate so many sentiments on my god of emotional
outburst yesterday during the opening of the show, but I
did continue to feel the gratefulness in the experience. But like,
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look to those of you who care. I'll talk in
a second about what it was actually like. But I
can also tell you that I take pride in I
thought we were prepared. I thought we were ready. I
think I need to do a better job and in
terms of in game adjustments into what's going on and
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how it's going on, and be willing to I am
usually willing to somebody who's willing to throw the kitchen
sink at different things. And there was a kitchen sink
element that I didn't necessarily go to, but I should
have taken a look at some different stuff, regardless of
which the night was mostly a win, although I do
want to start out okay, So for people don't know coach,
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my first game at Green Bay last night against my
old montern Oklhoma State. Dan Bayer, Jay Seo were there.
I apologize to you guys because you came all that
way and I looked behind my bench for an hour
and I didn't see you. And I'm only disappointed in
one thing, and it's not in the OSU basketball program.
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I don't believe it's an my program, although I do
think our guys should have followed up. But you know,
Dan and Jay Stu were supposed to be right behind
my bench, so were my children, and they weren't. And
I think it was some last second ads to the
ticket list that ultimately ended up not making lists. And
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again like it's little things end up being big things
and the things that we learn along the way. You know,
you ever watch all these Instagram reel where people talking about, well,
you're not losing your learning. I really did learn a lot.
Now technically we lost the game, but I did. I
learned a ton and the mistakes that I made that
I won't make again. And one of the mistakes I
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think I may made even yesterday is with the tickets,
where I have some close friends who I said, hey,
I need to know if you need the tickets before
you know, uh, eight o'clock at night the night before
the game. They got back to me at like three
in the afternoon, and I asked a favor for some
more tickets. But I was very specific about where I
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wanted those seats, and it seemed to screw everything up.
So sometimes you got to say no, right. Sometimes you
got to say, hey, that train left the station. Are
we do you guys really want to play me? Talking
about me last night? How we want to do?
Speaker 2 (04:20):
I think we should? Well there's can I say one
thing about the seats?
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Once I saw Harper by us, I was like, okay,
well there must have been something right, Yeah, that's a
Hayes because Hayes was on the bench with you last night.
He was a gold nine by the way. You know,
we and we met up with you on Saturday and
Hayes hung out with us, and uh, Hayes at halftime
was jacked. I'm giving them fist pumps. I'm giving them
high fives because it's a one point game. At that time,
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it was great. It was It was a lot of fun.
It was really it was. We had a blast. Whether
we were in section you know, two to eleven, or
if we were in row one right on the floor,
it was still a great time last night.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
No, I get it. I just it's infuriating me. You know,
I didn't. I didn't ask for much. I didn't. You know,
you get we get one hundred tickets, we get thirty
down low and seventy up top. And I put fifteen
people down low, and these people are not to be moved.
Do whatever you want with the other ones. And I
think I had some players' parents up top too, and
they were all supposed to be down low as well.
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They literally did the exact opposite of what we asked
them to do.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
They did costanza.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Yes, yes, yes, Ammy, Doug.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
I know there were a lot of a lot of
moving parts for you yesterday. So I think if this
was the one thing you were disappointed in, like the
day was overwhelmingly as success, including you.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Say, I understand, I'm actually I'm an event for a second,
it really pisses me off.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
I know, I can tell you.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Know, I I'm really upset, like it is. That's like
I said, this is a one night show. Like my
my daughter Grace flew back from la and like Grace
has never she's watched two basketball games in her life.
You know, like it's only gonna happen once. And you
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know a guy who it's literally his job, He's got
one job, and we made it very easy for him.
It was all color coded, was already and I'll take
accountability for trying to please other people. And I had
a couple of people, like my nephew is in Dallas
and he canceled, so I thought there was an extra
floor seat available, but like all my family was supposed
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to be behind the bench and they're scattered, and even players' families,
and I did just it really upsets me. And it
has nothing to do with their program or anything else.
It's one guy and oh yeah, either got way. You
can't get a hold of the guy either, so it
and it just I'm mad for you guys, Jay stew
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And I know you guys had a good time, but
it's a completely different sport when you're down below the
bench and you can hear everything that's going on and
really kind of feel it.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
I don't know what your largest lead was last night.
I think, yeah, okay, good because I took a screenshot
of the first half when you guys were up sixteen
to nine. Then it may have been seven at other points,
but I mean it was it was really good. I mean,
and I love college basketball as it is. It was
actually so unique for me because my hometown that I'm
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from doesn't produce Division one talent. We've had one kid
basically play two kids played D one in I don't know,
twenty some years, maybe even more than that. So to
have like a connection to someone, you know, I went
to a Big ten school and I knew some of
the guys on the you know, the Badger basketball team
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at the time, sam Oki and Mike Kostl, Sharon and
a bunch of guys.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
I had great sam Ogi.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Okay, I knew those guys, but I wasn't like invested invested,
you know. And that's what was unique last night was
seeing you out there. Like we never even answered the
question were you gonna wear a suit? To wear a
half zip? And I was like, he's got to wear
a suit. So when I saw the assistance in the
half zip, I'm like, oh, they went half zip. But
then when you came out in the suit, I thought
it was amazing. So it was really neat for me
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to see someone that I, you know, knew and worked
with for the last seven and a half years to
be in that environment. And you know, I wish you
guys would have won. But the first the first twenty minutes,
in the first twenty five minutes of the game of
game time absolutely amazing. Kind of ran away after that point,
but I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
I was most proud in the last seven minutes or
so sure we and that they kept fighting, because those
things can spiral, and I chose to not empty my bench.
I gave a couple of different guys some opportunities late,
one of whom I thought did a really good job.
Kind of impressed me. But I just, you know, I'm
not I. Everything you do has to have purpose when
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you're leading young guys and they feel it. And if
you like, hey, we're just going to cycle through our
bench and play, guys like, no, that's not what we're doing.
We're trying to We were still trying to win. We
thought we had a shot if we get under ten,
we'd get under seven. We can make them sweat they
have some questionable free throw shoot.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
They did have some questionable free throw shooting, by the way,
last night. But Phoenix did what they needed to do,
except in my mind rebounded. Yeah, there were we got
you talk you okay?
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Yeah, I mean, and look, some of that's by design
because I played a smaller lineup and this is where
you learn things, right. I have a couple of big
guys that were available, Royal Selka, who's a freshman center.
He's twenty years old. He did a pretty good job
in the first half. He just you know, I didn't
like how our offense looked in the first half when
I had the bigs out with him out there. And
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then defensively Isaaa Mirando had a great alley you dunk
of a you know when we put him in. Then
he hasn't been practicing much, so he just was completely
out of gas. And then Mustafa Sisa, who's also on
my bench, he'd been sick all week and I just
thought he would get rag dolled. But I should have
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given him all a shot because we were just getting
bludgeoned on the boards, bludgeoned. And meanwhile, Marcus Hall is
he played thirty nine minutes, and I should have should
have tried some different looks, but like, look, you learn
a lot and the experience was something that I will
never forget. And I wrote down a bunch of notes
in the middle of the night and things that I
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want to do better and things that I want to
clean up, and things that can can change us as
a team. But most of all, yes, it was. It
was definitely a dub for the overall night, right, I mean,
that's that's fair. I mean, let me ask you, Jason, Okay,
I'm sure that in your heart of hearts, there's been
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moments in which you're like, is this it is he
going to be able to actually coach?
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Right?
Speaker 1 (11:06):
You know how I how we prep we there's literally
no change in what we do how we do so
the it was that is that fair that you had
to wonder? And Dan, even you, you had to wonder, like,
what's this actually going to look like?
Speaker 5 (11:19):
I absolutely wondered. I have no idea the kind of
work you were putting in behind the scenes here. I
just deal with you professionally every day. We just deal
in sports content. I had no idea what kind of
team you had or what work you were putting in.
And my takeaway from last night was that your guys
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came to play. I did not see. You know, I
have a pretty layman's view of basketball, but I that
looked like a well coached team that happened to not
be tall enough or athletic enough. You know, you just
didn't quite have the bodies. But you're right at the end,
you guys fought, and to give the listeners a little
bit of perspective, you can't care about this, but the
Vegas sport folks had you at getting eighteen points and
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you covered, so you were better than Vegas thought you
would do. That first half was just amazing. I want
to play. I just want to play a highlight so
that you can kind of get a play by play
of This might have been the highest point of the
of the of the game. I think it was like
one of the Within the first five minutes.
Speaker 6 (12:20):
Nick little up and underlaid it up too strong. Hall
comes out with the rebound sue Nick had him beat,
just lay up a little too high off the glass.
Now Roy deep three. Anthony Roy buries it for about
five feet behind the arc at Green Bay out at
an eight nothing run is out fourteen to seven.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
I love that player and your guy, Marcus. What's it
Marcus Hall?
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Marcus Hall?
Speaker 5 (12:43):
Oh for he was so fun to watch. I think
he maybe just kind of ran out of gas.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yeah, well that's me. That's on his coach. I played
him too much, you know. And Bud he had sixteen
the first half he had two baseline dunks. Can I
honestly like, this is how it works in college sports.
This is what's really sad. Okay. Marcus Hall's from Walsall,
Wisconsin's that's thirty minutes away. He's nineteen years old. I mean,
he wants nothing from nobody. Before I got there, his
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nickname was the Waiter because he looks like he could
be a waiter at any nice restaurant, right, Just a
really nice kid. And we call him white Marcus because
when I told people about I told my coaches before
they met him about how I really like Marcus Hall
and I think we can do some special things with him.
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And then they met him, They're like, I didn't know
Microus Hall was a white guy, like I sounded like
it was a black guy. And so because of that,
I call him white Marcus. Anyway, this is this is sad,
but it's the reality, which is he had two baseline
dunks in the first half at sixteen points, had a
couple of threes, a couple of dunks. He had too
many turnovers. He's a much better player than that. But
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we're walking to locker room going did you have to
dunk it twice on people? Because now now somebody's going
to offer you some gigantic amount of money, right, and
maybe in handshake lines, you know, it's like, oh, hold on,
that's actually how it works. Sad, but yes, Sammy.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
All right, So what time yesterday did you wake up?
I got a big, big, whole collective question here. What
what time did your day start yesterday?
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Uh, four thirty four to thirty.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
In the morning? And what time did you go to
bed the night before? No, like last night after the game?
Speaker 5 (14:41):
Late?
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Yeah it was It probably started with the two.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
You had a long, long day and I saw pictures
of you. You were coaching your butt off, you were
sweating through your shirt, you were just giving it all.
And I just want to know. You said you were
up in a wake writing stuff down. But I wonder
how well did you sleep? How hard are did you sleep?
Speaker 5 (15:00):
Like a rock?
Speaker 2 (15:01):
That's what I want to know. No, no, you see
that's interesting.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Either you got some anxiety and keeping you up or
you're gonna sleep really really hard.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
But it sounds like marey, you were too stimulated.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Yeah, it's just over stimulated.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
Yeah, but we can we talk about the introductions. What
was one of the Dan's questions yesterday, how do you
think you'll be received? You know, that place was what
I don't know, at the very beginning of the game,
maybe a half full if I'm a fun being generous,
being generous, but even the smaller crowd there was a
loud cheer. I forget the exact wording that the PA
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announcer used. I think Dan remembers, but I thought it
was that was a nice ovation.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Yeah, I got the I got the video on my phone.
I made sure to. I tried to video record Doug
from when he walked down to the court, you know,
the handshake and then when they announced the starting lineups,
because they did Green Bays first and then they announced
Doug Gottlieb. They didn't do like the alternating that you
just did the Green Bay and a former cowboy, Doug Gottlieb.
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But I've got that video and I will send it
a long Doug and if I can have ten seconds
as my mic off, I can be able to listen
and hear what they said.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Uh, okay, it was Larry. Larry Reach is the PA announcer,
So this was Here's my thoughts after after the game.
I want to thank Coach Lots for playing this game.
I made no secret I play it because I wanted
this game for a myriad of reasons, but mostly for
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those three people. You know, we moved them across the
country a bunch of times. They've been through a lot,
and I just I just wanted to have them see
the dad coach for the back. I haven't feel it
because I want my kids to be proud of me
and proud of the the fabric of what we do
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and the connectivity we have with our kids. And I'm
especially part of my team, but really it's for them.
But I'm so respectful of Coach Lots. So they're just
as advertised. You know, plays fast and they play hard
and physical as hell. Yeah, they pushed us around a bit,
but it was it was great. My three kids were
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all there and uh, Grace, Harper and Hayes and yeah,
Hayes Hayes. I I cannot tell you how many people
interacted with Hayes last night, and we're like, your son's awesome,
so it's all you can ever ask for. And then
he was he was right, he's like dad, and halftimes
like dad, and listen, I know you like to play small,
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but we're getting beat up inside. We got to play
big some and I was like, yeah, our offense is
bad when we're big. He's like, yeah, well your defense
is bad when you're small. So it's just cool to
share that with him.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
There was there was the PA, he said, the head
coach of the University of Green Bay Phoenix, former Oklahoma
State cowboy Doug got leave, and then there wasn't a
noticeable rise in cheers. Doug, you gave a little, you know,
thank you tap and yeah. I went on for about
five seconds, and then Okloma State's intro started.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Yeah. I don't know. I like, you never know what
to do. It's so weird, though, when you know all
the cheers and you know the Nona no Hayes on,
We're going to beat the hell out of you, right,
like that's what they do right before tip off.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
I thought you being on the other bench would have
been weird.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
I've been on the other bench once before, sort of.
I don't know if you guys knew this. My my
dad had an exhibition team and we played against coach
and uh that was but that was like two years
maybe after I played there. That was. That was cool,
But it wasn't you know, as an exhibition game. This
is a real one. Yeah it was. It was different,
But I'm like, I don't really know Coach LUTs. I
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don't really know, Like we're not It's not like we're
like enemies. I just were not. Like I know, I'm
close with people he's close with, but we're not close.
So there's and there's a couple of people on his bench,
Keaton Page and Scott Sutton obviously who I am. I
do consider it close. I'm close with obviously them being
for my Cowboys as well, So that part's a little different,
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but it's so far, so far from removed from my
crew who I played for, so and I also like,
again I understand it's also it was his debut as
an OSU coach, and so there's a you're not going
to take away from his shine. He earned that moment
more than I did, but it was a great night.
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I wish I would have been a little bit better.
I wish would have turned over a little bit less.
There's a bunch of different things I learned, and I
you know, none of it is with the intent of
proving people wrong. You can't prove people wrong by anything
you say, but you can prove people wrong based upon
things that you do and how you play. And I
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would the turnovers would probably cause you to say, maybe
they weren't the most prepared team. But I do think
that if if you if you watch the process, if
you looked at my group, you'd say, yeah, they're They
looked at least like the guy had some kind of
semblance of what right is that? That fair jays too, Like,
you know, it wasn't. It wasn't. It's not a clown show.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
That weren't.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
We're not this is We're not doing it just for
the clicks. A matter of fact, the clicks have nothing
to do with it anyway. But yeah, my guy Anthony
Roy can play, Holy cow. I mean, he had thirty
and he missed a dead layup, and he turned the
ball over three times trying to do James Harden and uh,
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he still had an efficient thirty, so we got to
find a way to get him to get forty.
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should be welcome in. So here's the challenge when you're
kind of doing both jobs, right is Sam asked about
what time I went to bed, Well, I watched the
Monday night football game last night. I did, and it
was like, do you guess who was it who signed
with the Lakers that Rob Polinka called like Hannah, like
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a gift from Hannah. Do you guys remember that the weird,
super weird, creepy breast conference that I don't think the
guy really need amounted to all that much, but it was.
It was a It was in the very early days
of the Rob Polinka era when he said, anyway, I
felt like we got a gift last night. I don't
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know if you guys did as well, where the Tampa
Bay Buccaneers scored and had a chance to win the
game in regulation, there's thirty seconds left to go, and
it's the old do we go for two? Do we
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go for one? You know, what do we do? What
do we do? And it's interesting because I mean, look
the reality of my night last night, and I'll always
be honest with you is I know I screwed up
a couple of things. They they went on a run,
We didn't score for five and a half minutes. I
didn't call a time out. Now, I wanted to see
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if they play through some of it. But I also
it got away from us. It got away from us.
And you know, there's a couple of subs I definitely
should have made. I should have tried to play both
of my big guys at once in sitting out Marcus Hall.
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I should have you know, I should have cycled through
a couple of different guys in the bench. There's a
lot of different things I should have gotten to. But
to go for two or not go for two? That
is the question. Here's Todd Bowles talking about his decision
to kick an extra point for the tie and not
not try and win the game or take the lead
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with thirty seconds.
Speaker 8 (23:16):
To go, very minor. We want to get it the overtime.
With the wet conditions on the field, we felt like
we had to go on overtime instead of go for two.
So we had our shots and you know, we lost
the game.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Yeah, again, the wet field thing, it's a real thing,
and that's obviously why he made his decision. But I
don't know, like the Kansaie Chiefs and here's another like
I'll take his side in this thing. Is that we
think of, hey, you don't want to give Pat Mahomes
another chance, and that's true, but it's not like Pat Mahomes'
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offense has been great this year, right, So I just
I think to myself, this one was a pretty easy call.
And it's always been the mentality. I think when you
drive down the field and score, the defense can be
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a little shell shocked. The defense can also be tired,
and you should have a two point conversion play up
your sleeve. Right. The other part to it is when
you're the inferior team, generally you try and go for
the win. When you're the superior team, you try and
lengthen the game because Ultimately that team wins the game.
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And if we're honest with ourselves, Tampa, however good they
were when they had their two stud wide receivers, they
are not that team now. That would have been stealing
a win. So yes, if I was a coach of
a football team, I would have gone for two right there,
Dan Byer, what are your thoughts, Doug?
Speaker 2 (24:54):
I agree with you wholeheartedly, and I have even more
information to back up what you're saying. Can we hear
from Bulls just one more time, please, Iowa Sam, can
we hear that same cut very minor.
Speaker 8 (25:05):
We want to get it the overtime with the wet
conditions on the field, we felt like we had to
go in overtime instead of go for two. So we
had our shots, and you know, we lost the game.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Wet conditions what conditions? That means that a thirty three
yard extra point is not a gimme. It is not
a given by any means. So in that scenario, you're
even risking it kicking the ball in what was a
tough night with wet conditions, twenty seven seconds left on
the clock in a tie game, the Chiefs are still
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going to try to win with a field goal even
if the because there was an argument that, well, if
the Buccaneers went up, then Mahomes still has twenty seven seconds.
But if they're tied, they'd kneel on it. No way,
they'd go and try to kick their own field goal.
Absolutely would. So the Chiefs are the twenty seven seconds left,
we're going to regardless at that point, you're thinking they're
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going to go and try to score. And your point
about being on the road and doing it in that
scenario absolutely correct. And the other side of that is this,
you gotta do what the other team doesn't want you
to do. And Andy Reid said in his postgame he
was glad the Buccaneers kicked the extra point And to
that point, that tells me that Todd Balls didn't do
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what the Chiefs didn't want him to do. He did
what they wanted him to do.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
I completely agree with you, Jase dou Well.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
I just know that you know one of the actually
one of the benefits, and that we'll bring this full circle.
And I don't mean to hit on a sensitive spot here.
One of the benefits of being up in level two
last night is that I was able to turn the
Chiefs game on in this moment without being a disruption,
and if we were down by the floor that would
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have been I don't know if I could have done that.
So we were watching the game, as we were watching
your game, and if I said to Dan, do you
go for one or two here? Without hesitation? He said, too,
I'm a little bit more conservative. I'll take it and
then take our chances as Todd Bowles did. I didn't
factor in the ground like the h the rain or anything,
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but no, I think that. I think there's just a
certain type of person. Todd Bowles doesn't strike me as
that risk taker. I think Dan Campbell doesn't even think
twice about going for two.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Sammy, what do you think?
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Stuff always you know, stuff always looks better in the
rear view mirror. If if they had somehow pulled it
out in overtime, then this wouldn't even been a topic
of discussion.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Would you would you want the ball in Baker Mayfield's
hands again, if you're Todd Bowles, Yes, yeah, that's it. Yeah,
it's a simple question. It's it's an easy question.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
I just again, I I thought the best part you
made was the contradiction in the wet Field thing. It's like, well,
it's a wet field, then all it takes is your
kicker to slip a little bit and you missed an
extra point. And oh yeah, by the way, I've always
been told that you probably heard this too, Dan, and Dan,
(28:12):
you played high school football, did not, Okay that when
it's wet, when the field is wet, the advantage goes
to the offense because the defense doesn't know where it's going.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Yes, yes, correct, And in that situation, and that's why
I bring up the would you want Baker Mayfield to
have another snap? Because his other snap could have been
the two point conversion. By kicking the extra point, you're
saying we may not get the ball back because the
Chiefs could win the toss and go down the score,
which is exactly what happened. And so that's where you know,
(28:47):
that's where Todd Bowles just completely misses the boat on
this whole deal.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
I don't know, I just why not just say, look,
I'm a defensive coach and I want to win the
game with my defense. I think that would have been
a better way to say it. Sure right, Like defense
is my air of experctise. I'll be honest with you,
it's okay, but again, at least I think that would
(29:16):
have been. That's like, look, I take the conservative approach.
You know, I think we're pretty good. I think we
had a pretty good plan whatever whatever it is. But
the as a wet field, you know, it's a wet field.
Like what it was a wet field. Again, the same
thing goes to your kicker and to the other side.
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Where's where's that follow up question? But I I I
think I think but by the way, I think Todd
Bowle is doing a good job.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Yeah, you don't have Evans, you don't have god Win.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Yeah, and you know he's They've been better this year
than anyone could have thought. And you know, you go
back to when he was with the Jets and you're
like that it was more organization. And he's always been
a really well respected defensive coordinator. So again I would
get this is a guess. I don't know, because I'll
(30:09):
just tell you I I would say, my strength, my
expertise in terms of side of the ball is offense
in basketball, and so you know, I have to do
a better job of not focusing on that end and
making my adjustments based upon that end. Sometimes I got
to focus based upon the defense man. That happens. That happens.
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And one of the reasons that you have a lot
of these coaches kind of go for it. Now, look,
you have what's the what's what's our guy? Who's the
former coach of the Chargers, Jason Stewart, who always always
went for it Staley right, and you know some of
his things, you know he would say, well, you know
the numbers, say like come on, dude. But you also
(30:52):
here's another part to it. You never lose anything going
for it. You just don't. The only time you play
for more time is if you have the superior team.
This is the only time. Like in basketball, one of
the reasons that teams that have the most talent like
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to play faster is it's just a math problem. More possessions,
our players are better than your players. We're going to
score more often than you score. It's the same reason
that when you played Tom Brady to this peak, when
he played even Pat Mahomes, What do people always say
the key to play against Pat Mahomes is limit how
(31:35):
long he's on the field. The more snaps he has,
the more time you have chances you have at Mahomes magic.
Is that fair? Guys. Yep, So why would you increase
the volume of reps the volume of plays? I just yeah,
that one. This one felt like an easy one, and
(31:57):
I do think it's fair. You know, you I won't
get a call from the dam Bay Buccaneers, but you'll
have people go like, you know, you screwed up. Yeah,
I screwed up stuff last night, no question, zero question
about it. But this one was an easy one, A
really really easy one.
Speaker 5 (32:15):
You know who agrees with that? I think Baker Mayfield.
I think not only would he have wanted a chance
to try to win that, but his expression when they
lost the quite loss, they may as well have just
ended the game and given the Chiefs the game at
that point. That was awesome. His look when they just
lost the coin toss, Oh well that's the game.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. H yeah,
I just you know, and you can you also can
it can deflate your team a little bit, deflate your
team a little bit.
Speaker 7 (32:50):
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Speaker 1 (33:04):
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haven't downloaded it, you're just you're missing out. You're missing out. Okay,
of the trades made so far, which one has the
biggest impact on a playoff team?
Speaker 4 (33:26):
Well, I gotta start with thank congrats of your first game.
Speaker 9 (33:29):
That's pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
We lost.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
I lost a couple.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Of the goal is to have more points than the
other team, John, we had less points than the other team,
But thank you.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
True. But I mean the level of comp I mean,
I think I'm bullish, I would say on the Cowboys,
I guess I just heard on the updates that they're
putting him on injur reserve. Obviously that's something different now
than what it meant ten years ago. Obviously you can
come back off. But that's that's several games. I mean,
(34:00):
even with them, they.
Speaker 9 (34:01):
Were in good shape. And Cooper Rush actually.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
Is probably one of the better backups in the NFL.
I mean, honestly, it might be the best backup in
the NFL. They've won games with him before, but this
team isn't as good as those teams, And I think Cowboys,
you know, just big picture on the Cowboys. He saw
it last year with the Chargers, Like, if you are
going to have a season from hell and you are
going to get a new coach and you have some
high priced guys, getting a top eight or nine draft
(34:28):
pick in every round is not a bad thank Like
do you think Jim Harbaugh is bad that he has
Joe Alton McConkie on his team.
Speaker 9 (34:35):
So I think, big picture, if.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
You can just stomach this season going down the drain,
it's going to pay off. And I think what the
Cowboys love doing. They did this with Trey Lance, and
they did it today with the Mingo kid from Carolina,
is like they go off their draft grades. Now, the
Trey Lance thing was pretty crazy when they did it.
Speaker 9 (34:54):
The Mingo thing to me is not. You know, he
was just he was picked thirty nine in two thousand
twenty three.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
You know, this is a wide receiver, a big physical
guy coming from the SEC. They're gonna need cheaper labor.
So yeah, they gave up more. I always see this
on the internet, like, oh they they gave up more
for him than the Chiefs did. DeAndre Hopkins. Well, yeah,
this guy make less than a million dollars a year.
It was just drafted in the top forty. So he's
he's a young twenty three year old on a rookie.
Speaker 9 (35:24):
Now, that doesn't mean he's gonna be any good. But
I understand why they did it.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
You were a call did not go through your I
don't even know what that is. John, You're still there
your show here on YO. Yeah, you're on Fox Sports Radio.
Let's let's get to the Cowboys. Though we mentioned Dak
you mentioned I are. I mean it's a hard like
(35:49):
when it happens on video, it's a hard one. And
when he says we effing suck that. And I mean
when your quarterback and leader says that, that's a wow.
That's a wow.
Speaker 5 (36:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
I mean, I'm a big believer in authenticity. I mean,
I know some people just like.
Speaker 9 (36:11):
Bs into your face.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
But we're all watching him play and he's on the
sideline watching his team get his budget. Obviously he's a
part of that. Yeah, at the time he was injured,
but I just like.
Speaker 9 (36:22):
What did he say? It wasn't true.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
I mean, they're terrible, they are not very good. Now,
part of it is injuries. I mean they've had major
injuries on their defensive line, so their defense, which was questionable,
got way worse. I mean their personnel moves for a
team that you know, most teams are able to find
running backs.
Speaker 9 (36:41):
And they signed Zeke.
Speaker 4 (36:43):
Elliott because like Jerry likes them, and all I ever
heard about Zeke was like, you.
Speaker 9 (36:46):
Know, he's this super high level guy.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
He's a great leader. And then the story breaks he
gets left at home because he's showing up late constantly.
Speaker 9 (36:55):
Isn't Zeke like thirty plus years old, hasn't been the
league forever? Like that's it's a.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
Pretty embarrassing story, right, Like on the stake you make
professionally when you're in your early twenties, you know, for
normal humans shouldn't be the same one you make when
you become a veteran at the company. And that was
pretty symbolic of the Cowboys, like they went back down
the rabbit hole at a position where there's a million
running backs because they love this guy and he's supposed
(37:20):
to be like a high character, super leader and then
he's just not showing up to stuff. So and that
to me is more on Jerry than Mike. I don't
think Mike's banging down the door for you know, Zeke
Elliott to be on the team and then you know
Mike Zimmers that is that McCarthy's higher. It's just everything's
just got a whack there. And I do think it's
(37:42):
becoming a little bit you know, the the latter years
of Al Davis. I think Cowboys have potential to be
that just because Jerry, I mean every time he doubles down.
So Jerry just let's just take a week off and
he's just you know, multiple radio hits and then it's
put daily press conference at the.
Speaker 9 (37:59):
End of the game. It's just it might be getting
to the point works a little much.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
It certainly feels like it's getting away from them in
a big, big way. Doug Gotlieb Show here on Fox
Sports Radio. I thought a disappointing performance from the Packers.
Obviously it did look like Jordan Love maybe shouldn't have
come back and played that soon, But the game wasn't
really competitive and another big interception for Jordan Love. What's
(38:25):
your biggest takeaway from the Lions kind of dominating performance against.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
The pack Yeah, I mean it was really impressive. They
had like they had a cheap, you know, Belichick Brady
Patriot vibe, like how many games have we seen an
inclement weather with this Andy Reid Mahomes team. Now we
saw it again Monday night.
Speaker 9 (38:42):
We saw for.
Speaker 4 (38:43):
Twenty plus years with it with the Patriots. It was like,
we're just going to be more buttoned up and better
than you, and it's going to look ugly and we're
going to dominate you. And that's what the Lions did.
I mean in that game. And I get he's playing injured.
No one questions. There's certain players like no one questions toughness.
No one, Jordan, no one's question your toughness. If you're
not going to be able to function, then you might
(39:03):
be hurting your team. And the one thing that you
cannot do in a game like that, because points are
going to be very very difficult to come by, is
hand them seven points. And that's what he did on
that play, which, let's face it, the game ended that
when that point happened, Like that's when the game ended.
And I just think now he's had some moments in
(39:24):
some of these games where it's like, bro, you can't
and even throughout the game is a chuck in a
deep like this is not going to work in this
driving rainstorm. And listen, Dan Campbell said it in the
locker room after and he's right, like, we don't care anymore,
like we are built for this. And when you watch
him talk to his team, you're like, this guy kind
(39:47):
of has a vibe of like being the third Hardbob
Brother or something, because you know, you could make fun
of him early on for saying the stuff, but now
it's just like, no, this stuff works, Like what he's
saying is real and toughness with a franchise that I
know they play in a cold weather city, but they
play inside, so you just never quite know. And I
(40:08):
mean they're probably gonna be the number one seed so
they won't have to go outside. But you got to
feel pretty confident after watching that, like that's that's a
pretty mentally tough team. And the quarterback, which was always
a big knock, even Brady said during the game, he's like,
you know, I didn't think he could just maintain this accuracy,
and then they show he was like eleven and eleven
(40:28):
at the time in the driving rainstorm, So whatever he's
done with Jared Dpp as like hardball, Andy Reid, Alex
Smith vibes it's like an uplift that and Jared's a
better player than Alex Smith.
Speaker 9 (40:41):
But it's it's been incredible to.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
Watch Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. You know,
it's interesting. We were all watching the games at Buffalo
Wild Wings and Stillwater on Sunday, and obviously, John, you
know that Jason and I are big Charger guys, and
this is a little thing for I think I think
(41:04):
a lot of people would have missed this, but maybe
it's me the coaching in me. Did you see their
end of first half where they were throwing the ball
backwards trying to score on the last second.
Speaker 9 (41:16):
I don't remember up down my head.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
No, Well, it was really well executed. And then at
the end of it they had a chance at maybe
another lateral, but there was also the chance of fumbling
it and they just ate the football. So they probably
marched it down. They probably had seventy yards to go
and they got it about forty yards and then and
to me, it's signified that, oh they've done this. They
(41:39):
look like they were prepared for this, and they executed it.
And then when it was too risky because you can
turn the football over you can give up a touchdown
there when it's too risky. They ate the football. My
point is that say whatever you want about the limitations
the Chargers have outside the numbers at wide receiver or
what they've had before the trade deadline, but they really
(42:01):
look well coached, and they look like a team that
is not going to beat themselves and will be in
the playoffs this year.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
You know, I don't pretend to be a genius prognosticator,
and I had the Saints winning the division, so I
can be an idiot, but I love the Chargers to
make the playoffs in August, and people like yourself kind
of scared me off a little bit. And now you
watch him, you go, this is just class and Jim
Rba and can you imagine being a Bears fan and
(42:29):
you drafted the guy. He played for you for six
or seven years.
Speaker 9 (42:33):
You know, he's part of.
Speaker 4 (42:35):
Your franchise's that region of the country.
Speaker 9 (42:37):
He was coaching at.
Speaker 4 (42:38):
Michigan, and knowing that, like you didn't even attempt.
Speaker 9 (42:42):
To get this guy.
Speaker 4 (42:43):
And the Chargers landed them and immediately, I mean, they
have the same amount of wins right now. On what
was the November fifth, then they did all of last year,
and when you look at records that you know that
kind of that visual was going viral about twenty ten,
nine or six and ten. First year, thirteen and three Michigan.
People forget how big of a joke Michigan was.
Speaker 9 (43:05):
Before he showed up five to seven.
Speaker 4 (43:08):
He went ten and three, and obviously last year was just,
I mean a pretty historic embarrassment.
Speaker 9 (43:14):
I mean, they lost the Raiders. What was that score
on Thursday night.
Speaker 4 (43:16):
Where everyone got fired one hundred and nothing and they
went five to twelve. And now he's headed toward I'd
be stunned if he doesn't win at least eleven games
when you look at the schedule and what he's doing
with the quarterback who was playing at an really high level.
The one thing you know with Jim, which is crazy
because he's a former quarterback, but he might as well
be a you know, former detackler linebacker, his defense is
(43:40):
going to be locked good when he shows up because
he hires a good defensive coordinators. Actually usually he hired
great defensive coordinators. Fangio with him at Stanford and the
forty nine ers, and now you know, going through McDonald
and Mentor, which obviously he's still got mentor, but do
you think anyone's gonna want to I mean, obviously the
Chiefs are gonna win the big but if.
Speaker 9 (44:01):
You're the if you're the three seeds, so let's just
say that Ravens, like you got to face Harba obviously brothers,
but you'll say the Steelers.
Speaker 4 (44:12):
I mean, whoever wins that division and they got to
face the Chargers. That's the last team, big time quarterback
and Jim Harbaugh that that's got upset City written all
over it.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
It really does. That's John Minillcall three announced the podcast.
I'm sure he'll have one up at the end of
the night with the trade deadline coming to an end shortly. John,
thanks so much for the compliments. I appreciate it, and
hopefully next time we actually get the win, don't just win.
Speaker 9 (44:37):
What's our point? What's our main point?
Speaker 4 (44:39):
Emphasis at the last night the next practice, defense, Uh.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
Well this matchup is very different, our next game is
very very different. But yeah, I mean defense, and we
need to value the basketball. You know, we're too good
a passing team to have nineteen turnovers, but nineteen turnovers
nineteen offensive rebounds, and we just need to ex you better,
and and uh, either play through fatigue or I need
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to play some more guys. It's probably the other thing.
Speaker 4 (45:07):
I know. It wasn't about you, obviously your team, but
left I had to be a pretty cool night.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
It was cool R plus my son was on the
my son was on the bench, my daughters were there.
I had so many friends there. It was really cool, great.
I appreciate it.
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there's some other stuff, but this is actually a good
day to talk about sports, because if you want to
talk about the election, I want to hear about the election.
Obviously it's everywhere else. So this is a good way
to just catch your breath and set aside time to
catch up on sports and figure out all the trade
deadline deals and why they were done. By the way,
(01:08):
if you just stay here. We'll talk about all of
that stuff. Dan Byer Jaseu. They made the trek back
to LA from the Sooner State from the Red Dirt
last night. Appreciate you guys setting all that up and
hanging out in the game. We'll talk about that in
a moment. But yeah, we did it. We lost my
first game as a college coach and hosted the radio
(01:30):
show before, hosted the radio show today, and yeah, I mean,
I appreciate so many sentiments on my god of emotional
outburst yesterday during the opening of the show, but I
did continue to feel the gratefulness in the experience. But like,
(01:55):
look to those of you who care. I'll talk in
a second about what it was actually like. But I
can also tell you that I take pride in I
thought we were prepared. I thought we were ready. I
think I need to do a better job and in
terms of in game adjustments into what's going on and
(02:15):
how it's going on, and be willing to I am
usually willing to somebody who's willing to throw the kitchen
sink at different things. And there was a kitchen sink
element that I didn't necessarily go to, but I should
have taken a look at some different stuff, regardless of
which the night was mostly a win, although I do
want to start out okay, So for people don't know coach,
(02:36):
my first game at Green Bay last night against my
old montern Oklhoma State. Dan Bayer, Jay Seo were there.
I apologize to you guys because you came all that
way and I looked behind my bench for an hour
and I didn't see you. And I'm only disappointed in
one thing, and it's not in the OSU basketball program.
(02:59):
I don't believe it's an my program, although I do
think our guys should have followed up. But you know,
Dan and Jay Stu were supposed to be right behind
my bench, so were my children, and they weren't. And
I think it was some last second ads to the
ticket list that ultimately ended up not making lists. And
(03:21):
again like it's little things end up being big things
and the things that we learn along the way. You know,
you ever watch all these Instagram reel where people talking about, well,
you're not losing your learning. I really did learn a lot.
Now technically we lost the game, but I did. I
learned a ton and the mistakes that I made that
I won't make again. And one of the mistakes I
(03:43):
think I may made even yesterday is with the tickets,
where I have some close friends who I said, hey,
I need to know if you need the tickets before
you know, uh, eight o'clock at night the night before
the game. They got back to me at like three
in the afternoon, and I asked a favor for some
more tickets. But I was very specific about where I
(04:04):
wanted those seats, and it seemed to screw everything up.
So sometimes you got to say no, right. Sometimes you
got to say, hey, that train left the station. Are
we do you guys really want to play me? Talking
about me last night? How we want to do?
Speaker 2 (04:20):
I think we should? Well there's can I say one
thing about the seats?
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Once I saw Harper by us, I was like, okay,
well there must have been something right, Yeah, that's a
Hayes because Hayes was on the bench with you last night.
He was a gold nine by the way. You know,
we and we met up with you on Saturday and
Hayes hung out with us, and uh, Hayes at halftime
was jacked. I'm giving them fist pumps. I'm giving them
high fives because it's a one point game. At that time,
(04:49):
it was great. It was It was a lot of fun.
It was really it was. We had a blast. Whether
we were in section you know, two to eleven, or
if we were in row one right on the floor,
it was still a great time last night.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
No, I get it. I just it's infuriating me. You know,
I didn't. I didn't ask for much. I didn't. You know,
you get we get one hundred tickets, we get thirty
down low and seventy up top. And I put fifteen
people down low, and these people are not to be moved.
Do whatever you want with the other ones. And I
think I had some players' parents up top too, and
they were all supposed to be down low as well.
(05:24):
They literally did the exact opposite of what we asked
them to do.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
They did costanza.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Yes, yes, yes, Ammy, Doug.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
I know there were a lot of a lot of
moving parts for you yesterday. So I think if this
was the one thing you were disappointed in, like the
day was overwhelmingly as success, including you.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Say, I understand, I'm actually I'm an event for a second,
it really pisses me off.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
I know, I can tell you.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Know, I I'm really upset, like it is. That's like
I said, this is a one night show. Like my
my daughter Grace flew back from la and like Grace
has never she's watched two basketball games in her life.
You know, like it's only gonna happen once. And you
(06:11):
know a guy who it's literally his job, He's got
one job, and we made it very easy for him.
It was all color coded, was already and I'll take
accountability for trying to please other people. And I had
a couple of people, like my nephew is in Dallas
and he canceled, so I thought there was an extra
floor seat available, but like all my family was supposed
(06:32):
to be behind the bench and they're scattered, and even players' families,
and I did just it really upsets me. And it
has nothing to do with their program or anything else.
It's one guy and oh yeah, either got way. You
can't get a hold of the guy either, so it
and it just I'm mad for you guys, Jay stew
(06:55):
And I know you guys had a good time, but
it's a completely different sport when you're down below the
bench and you can hear everything that's going on and
really kind of feel it.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
I don't know what your largest lead was last night.
I think, yeah, okay, good because I took a screenshot
of the first half when you guys were up sixteen
to nine. Then it may have been seven at other points,
but I mean it was it was really good. I mean,
and I love college basketball as it is. It was
actually so unique for me because my hometown that I'm
(07:28):
from doesn't produce Division one talent. We've had one kid
basically play two kids played D one in I don't know,
twenty some years, maybe even more than that. So to
have like a connection to someone, you know, I went
to a Big ten school and I knew some of
the guys on the you know, the Badger basketball team
(07:49):
at the time, sam Oki and Mike Kostl, Sharon and
a bunch of guys.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
I had great sam Ogi.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Okay, I knew those guys, but I wasn't like invested invested,
you know. And that's what was unique last night was
seeing you out there. Like we never even answered the
question were you gonna wear a suit? To wear a
half zip? And I was like, he's got to wear
a suit. So when I saw the assistance in the
half zip, I'm like, oh, they went half zip. But
then when you came out in the suit, I thought
it was amazing. So it was really neat for me
(08:16):
to see someone that I, you know, knew and worked
with for the last seven and a half years to
be in that environment. And you know, I wish you
guys would have won. But the first the first twenty minutes,
in the first twenty five minutes of the game of
game time absolutely amazing. Kind of ran away after that point,
but I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
I was most proud in the last seven minutes or
so sure we and that they kept fighting, because those
things can spiral, and I chose to not empty my bench.
I gave a couple of different guys some opportunities late,
one of whom I thought did a really good job.
Kind of impressed me. But I just, you know, I'm
not I. Everything you do has to have purpose when
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you're leading young guys and they feel it. And if
you like, hey, we're just going to cycle through our
bench and play, guys like, no, that's not what we're doing.
We're trying to We were still trying to win. We
thought we had a shot if we get under ten,
we'd get under seven. We can make them sweat they
have some questionable free throw shoot.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
They did have some questionable free throw shooting, by the way,
last night. But Phoenix did what they needed to do,
except in my mind rebounded. Yeah, there were we got
you talk you okay?
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Yeah, I mean, and look, some of that's by design
because I played a smaller lineup and this is where
you learn things, right. I have a couple of big
guys that were available, Royal Selka, who's a freshman center.
He's twenty years old. He did a pretty good job
in the first half. He just you know, I didn't
like how our offense looked in the first half when
I had the bigs out with him out there. And
(09:55):
then defensively Isaaa Mirando had a great alley you dunk
of a you know when we put him in. Then
he hasn't been practicing much, so he just was completely
out of gas. And then Mustafa Sisa, who's also on
my bench, he'd been sick all week and I just
thought he would get rag dolled. But I should have
(10:16):
given him all a shot because we were just getting
bludgeoned on the boards, bludgeoned. And meanwhile, Marcus Hall is
he played thirty nine minutes, and I should have should
have tried some different looks, but like, look, you learn
a lot and the experience was something that I will
never forget. And I wrote down a bunch of notes
in the middle of the night and things that I
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want to do better and things that I want to
clean up, and things that can can change us as
a team. But most of all, yes, it was. It
was definitely a dub for the overall night, right, I mean,
that's that's fair. I mean, let me ask you, Jason, Okay,
I'm sure that in your heart of hearts, there's been
(11:00):
moments in which you're like, is this it is he
going to be able to actually coach?
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Right?
Speaker 1 (11:06):
You know how I how we prep we there's literally
no change in what we do how we do so
the it was that is that fair that you had
to wonder? And Dan, even you, you had to wonder, like,
what's this actually going to look like?
Speaker 5 (11:19):
I absolutely wondered. I have no idea the kind of
work you were putting in behind the scenes here. I
just deal with you professionally every day. We just deal
in sports content. I had no idea what kind of
team you had or what work you were putting in.
And my takeaway from last night was that your guys
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came to play. I did not see. You know, I
have a pretty layman's view of basketball, but I that
looked like a well coached team that happened to not
be tall enough or athletic enough. You know, you just
didn't quite have the bodies. But you're right at the end,
you guys fought, and to give the listeners a little
bit of perspective, you can't care about this, but the
Vegas sport folks had you at getting eighteen points and
(12:03):
you covered, so you were better than Vegas thought you
would do. That first half was just amazing. I want
to play. I just want to play a highlight so
that you can kind of get a play by play
of This might have been the highest point of the
of the of the game. I think it was like
one of the Within the first five minutes.
Speaker 6 (12:20):
Nick little up and underlaid it up too strong. Hall
comes out with the rebound sue Nick had him beat,
just lay up a little too high off the glass.
Now Roy deep three. Anthony Roy buries it for about
five feet behind the arc at Green Bay out at
an eight nothing run is out fourteen to seven.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
I love that player and your guy, Marcus. What's it
Marcus Hall?
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Marcus Hall?
Speaker 5 (12:43):
Oh for he was so fun to watch. I think
he maybe just kind of ran out of gas.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yeah, well that's me. That's on his coach. I played
him too much, you know. And Bud he had sixteen
the first half he had two baseline dunks. Can I
honestly like, this is how it works in college sports.
This is what's really sad. Okay. Marcus Hall's from Walsall,
Wisconsin's that's thirty minutes away. He's nineteen years old. I mean,
he wants nothing from nobody. Before I got there, his
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nickname was the Waiter because he looks like he could
be a waiter at any nice restaurant, right, Just a
really nice kid. And we call him white Marcus because
when I told people about I told my coaches before
they met him about how I really like Marcus Hall
and I think we can do some special things with him.
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And then they met him, They're like, I didn't know
Microus Hall was a white guy, like I sounded like
it was a black guy. And so because of that,
I call him white Marcus. Anyway, this is this is sad,
but it's the reality, which is he had two baseline
dunks in the first half at sixteen points, had a
couple of threes, a couple of dunks. He had too
many turnovers. He's a much better player than that. But
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we're walking to locker room going did you have to
dunk it twice on people? Because now now somebody's going
to offer you some gigantic amount of money, right, and
maybe in handshake lines, you know, it's like, oh, hold on,
that's actually how it works. Sad, but yes, Sammy.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
All right, So what time yesterday did you wake up?
I got a big, big, whole collective question here. What
what time did your day start yesterday?
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Uh, four thirty four to thirty.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
In the morning? And what time did you go to
bed the night before? No, like last night after the game?
Speaker 5 (14:41):
Late?
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Yeah it was It probably started with the two.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
You had a long, long day and I saw pictures
of you. You were coaching your butt off, you were
sweating through your shirt, you were just giving it all.
And I just want to know. You said you were
up in a wake writing stuff down. But I wonder
how well did you sleep? How hard are did you sleep?
Speaker 5 (15:00):
Like a rock?
Speaker 2 (15:01):
That's what I want to know. No, no, you see
that's interesting.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Either you got some anxiety and keeping you up or
you're gonna sleep really really hard.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
But it sounds like marey, you were too stimulated.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Yeah, it's just over stimulated.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
Yeah, but we can we talk about the introductions. What
was one of the Dan's questions yesterday, how do you
think you'll be received? You know, that place was what
I don't know, at the very beginning of the game,
maybe a half full if I'm a fun being generous,
being generous, but even the smaller crowd there was a
loud cheer. I forget the exact wording that the PA
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announcer used. I think Dan remembers, but I thought it
was that was a nice ovation.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Yeah, I got the I got the video on my phone.
I made sure to. I tried to video record Doug
from when he walked down to the court, you know,
the handshake and then when they announced the starting lineups,
because they did Green Bays first and then they announced
Doug Gottlieb. They didn't do like the alternating that you
just did the Green Bay and a former cowboy, Doug Gottlieb.
(16:03):
But I've got that video and I will send it
a long Doug and if I can have ten seconds
as my mic off, I can be able to listen
and hear what they said.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Uh, okay, it was Larry. Larry Reach is the PA announcer,
So this was Here's my thoughts after after the game.
I want to thank Coach Lots for playing this game.
I made no secret I play it because I wanted
this game for a myriad of reasons, but mostly for
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those three people. You know, we moved them across the
country a bunch of times. They've been through a lot,
and I just I just wanted to have them see
the dad coach for the back. I haven't feel it
because I want my kids to be proud of me
and proud of the the fabric of what we do
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and the connectivity we have with our kids. And I'm
especially part of my team, but really it's for them.
But I'm so respectful of Coach Lots. So they're just
as advertised. You know, plays fast and they play hard
and physical as hell. Yeah, they pushed us around a bit,
but it was it was great. My three kids were
(17:16):
all there and uh, Grace, Harper and Hayes and yeah,
Hayes Hayes. I I cannot tell you how many people
interacted with Hayes last night, and we're like, your son's awesome,
so it's all you can ever ask for. And then
he was he was right, he's like dad, and halftimes
like dad, and listen, I know you like to play small,
(17:37):
but we're getting beat up inside. We got to play
big some and I was like, yeah, our offense is
bad when we're big. He's like, yeah, well your defense
is bad when you're small. So it's just cool to
share that with him.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
There was there was the PA, he said, the head
coach of the University of Green Bay Phoenix, former Oklahoma
State cowboy Doug got leave, and then there wasn't a
noticeable rise in cheers. Doug, you gave a little, you know,
thank you tap and yeah. I went on for about
five seconds, and then Okloma State's intro started.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Yeah. I don't know. I like, you never know what
to do. It's so weird, though, when you know all
the cheers and you know the Nona no Hayes on,
We're going to beat the hell out of you, right,
like that's what they do right before tip off.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
I thought you being on the other bench would have
been weird.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
I've been on the other bench once before, sort of.
I don't know if you guys knew this. My my
dad had an exhibition team and we played against coach
and uh that was but that was like two years
maybe after I played there. That was. That was cool,
But it wasn't you know, as an exhibition game. This
is a real one. Yeah it was. It was different,
But I'm like, I don't really know Coach LUTs. I
(18:49):
don't really know, Like we're not It's not like we're
like enemies. I just were not. Like I know, I'm
close with people he's close with, but we're not close.
So there's and there's a couple of people on his bench,
Keaton Page and Scott Sutton obviously who I am. I
do consider it close. I'm close with obviously them being
for my Cowboys as well, So that part's a little different,
(19:10):
but it's so far, so far from removed from my
crew who I played for, so and I also like,
again I understand it's also it was his debut as
an OSU coach, and so there's a you're not going
to take away from his shine. He earned that moment
more than I did, but it was a great night.
(19:30):
I wish I would have been a little bit better.
I wish would have turned over a little bit less.
There's a bunch of different things I learned, and I
you know, none of it is with the intent of
proving people wrong. You can't prove people wrong by anything
you say, but you can prove people wrong based upon
things that you do and how you play. And I
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would the turnovers would probably cause you to say, maybe
they weren't the most prepared team. But I do think
that if if you if you watch the process, if
you looked at my group, you'd say, yeah, they're They
looked at least like the guy had some kind of
semblance of what right is that? That fair jays too, Like,
you know, it wasn't. It wasn't. It's not a clown show.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
That weren't.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
We're not this is We're not doing it just for
the clicks. A matter of fact, the clicks have nothing
to do with it anyway. But yeah, my guy Anthony
Roy can play, Holy cow. I mean, he had thirty
and he missed a dead layup, and he turned the
ball over three times trying to do James Harden and uh,
(20:36):
he still had an efficient thirty, so we got to
find a way to get him to get forty.
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(21:08):
should be welcome in. So here's the challenge when you're
kind of doing both jobs, right is Sam asked about
what time I went to bed, Well, I watched the
Monday night football game last night. I did, and it
was like, do you guess who was it who signed
with the Lakers that Rob Polinka called like Hannah, like
(21:31):
a gift from Hannah. Do you guys remember that the weird,
super weird, creepy breast conference that I don't think the
guy really need amounted to all that much, but it was.
It was a It was in the very early days
of the Rob Polinka era when he said, anyway, I
felt like we got a gift last night. I don't
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know if you guys did as well, where the Tampa
Bay Buccaneers scored and had a chance to win the
game in regulation, there's thirty seconds left to go, and
it's the old do we go for two? Do we
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go for one? You know, what do we do? What
do we do? And it's interesting because I mean, look
the reality of my night last night, and I'll always
be honest with you is I know I screwed up
a couple of things. They they went on a run,
We didn't score for five and a half minutes. I
didn't call a time out. Now, I wanted to see
(22:33):
if they play through some of it. But I also
it got away from us. It got away from us.
And you know, there's a couple of subs I definitely
should have made. I should have tried to play both
of my big guys at once in sitting out Marcus Hall.
(22:54):
I should have you know, I should have cycled through
a couple of different guys in the bench. There's a
lot of different things I should have gotten to. But
to go for two or not go for two? That
is the question. Here's Todd Bowles talking about his decision
to kick an extra point for the tie and not
not try and win the game or take the lead
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with thirty seconds.
Speaker 8 (23:16):
To go, very minor. We want to get it the overtime.
With the wet conditions on the field, we felt like
we had to go on overtime instead of go for two.
So we had our shots and you know, we lost
the game.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Yeah, again, the wet field thing, it's a real thing,
and that's obviously why he made his decision. But I
don't know, like the Kansaie Chiefs and here's another like
I'll take his side in this thing. Is that we
think of, hey, you don't want to give Pat Mahomes
another chance, and that's true, but it's not like Pat Mahomes'
(23:50):
offense has been great this year, right, So I just
I think to myself, this one was a pretty easy call.
And it's always been the mentality. I think when you
drive down the field and score, the defense can be
(24:13):
a little shell shocked. The defense can also be tired,
and you should have a two point conversion play up
your sleeve. Right. The other part to it is when
you're the inferior team, generally you try and go for
the win. When you're the superior team, you try and
lengthen the game because Ultimately that team wins the game.
(24:35):
And if we're honest with ourselves, Tampa, however good they
were when they had their two stud wide receivers, they
are not that team now. That would have been stealing
a win. So yes, if I was a coach of
a football team, I would have gone for two right there,
Dan Byer, what are your thoughts, Doug?
Speaker 2 (24:54):
I agree with you wholeheartedly, and I have even more
information to back up what you're saying. Can we hear
from Bulls just one more time, please, Iowa Sam, can
we hear that same cut very minor.
Speaker 8 (25:05):
We want to get it the overtime with the wet
conditions on the field, we felt like we had to
go in overtime instead of go for two. So we
had our shots, and you know, we lost the game.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Wet conditions what conditions? That means that a thirty three
yard extra point is not a gimme. It is not
a given by any means. So in that scenario, you're
even risking it kicking the ball in what was a
tough night with wet conditions, twenty seven seconds left on
the clock in a tie game, the Chiefs are still
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going to try to win with a field goal even
if the because there was an argument that, well, if
the Buccaneers went up, then Mahomes still has twenty seven seconds.
But if they're tied, they'd kneel on it. No way,
they'd go and try to kick their own field goal.
Absolutely would. So the Chiefs are the twenty seven seconds left,
we're going to regardless at that point, you're thinking they're
(25:58):
going to go and try to score. And your point
about being on the road and doing it in that
scenario absolutely correct. And the other side of that is this,
you gotta do what the other team doesn't want you
to do. And Andy Reid said in his postgame he
was glad the Buccaneers kicked the extra point And to
that point, that tells me that Todd Balls didn't do
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what the Chiefs didn't want him to do. He did
what they wanted him to do.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
I completely agree with you, Jase dou Well.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
I just know that you know one of the actually
one of the benefits, and that we'll bring this full circle.
And I don't mean to hit on a sensitive spot here.
One of the benefits of being up in level two
last night is that I was able to turn the
Chiefs game on in this moment without being a disruption,
and if we were down by the floor that would
(26:52):
have been I don't know if I could have done that.
So we were watching the game, as we were watching
your game, and if I said to Dan, do you
go for one or two here? Without hesitation? He said, too,
I'm a little bit more conservative. I'll take it and
then take our chances as Todd Bowles did. I didn't
factor in the ground like the h the rain or anything,
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but no, I think that. I think there's just a
certain type of person. Todd Bowles doesn't strike me as
that risk taker. I think Dan Campbell doesn't even think
twice about going for two.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Sammy, what do you think?
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Stuff always you know, stuff always looks better in the
rear view mirror. If if they had somehow pulled it
out in overtime, then this wouldn't even been a topic
of discussion.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Would you would you want the ball in Baker Mayfield's
hands again, if you're Todd Bowles, Yes, yeah, that's it. Yeah,
it's a simple question. It's it's an easy question.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
I just again, I I thought the best part you
made was the contradiction in the wet Field thing. It's like, well,
it's a wet field, then all it takes is your
kicker to slip a little bit and you missed an
extra point. And oh yeah, by the way, I've always
been told that you probably heard this too, Dan, and Dan,
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you played high school football, did not, Okay that when
it's wet, when the field is wet, the advantage goes
to the offense because the defense doesn't know where it's going.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Yes, yes, correct, And in that situation, and that's why
I bring up the would you want Baker Mayfield to
have another snap? Because his other snap could have been
the two point conversion. By kicking the extra point, you're
saying we may not get the ball back because the
Chiefs could win the toss and go down the score,
which is exactly what happened. And so that's where you know,
(28:47):
that's where Todd Bowles just completely misses the boat on
this whole deal.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
I don't know, I just why not just say, look,
I'm a defensive coach and I want to win the
game with my defense. I think that would have been
a better way to say it. Sure right, Like defense
is my air of experctise. I'll be honest with you,
it's okay, but again, at least I think that would
(29:16):
have been. That's like, look, I take the conservative approach.
You know, I think we're pretty good. I think we
had a pretty good plan whatever whatever it is. But
the as a wet field, you know, it's a wet field.
Like what it was a wet field. Again, the same
thing goes to your kicker and to the other side.
(29:37):
Where's where's that follow up question? But I I I
think I think but by the way, I think Todd
Bowle is doing a good job.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Yeah, you don't have Evans, you don't have god Win.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Yeah, and you know he's They've been better this year
than anyone could have thought. And you know, you go
back to when he was with the Jets and you're
like that it was more organization. And he's always been
a really well respected defensive coordinator. So again I would
get this is a guess. I don't know, because I'll
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just tell you I I would say, my strength, my
expertise in terms of side of the ball is offense
in basketball, and so you know, I have to do
a better job of not focusing on that end and
making my adjustments based upon that end. Sometimes I got
to focus based upon the defense man. That happens. That happens.
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And one of the reasons that you have a lot
of these coaches kind of go for it. Now, look,
you have what's the what's what's our guy? Who's the
former coach of the Chargers, Jason Stewart, who always always
went for it Staley right, and you know some of
his things, you know he would say, well, you know
the numbers, say like come on, dude. But you also
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here's another part to it. You never lose anything going
for it. You just don't. The only time you play
for more time is if you have the superior team.
This is the only time. Like in basketball, one of
the reasons that teams that have the most talent like
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to play faster is it's just a math problem. More possessions,
our players are better than your players. We're going to
score more often than you score. It's the same reason
that when you played Tom Brady to this peak, when
he played even Pat Mahomes, What do people always say
the key to play against Pat Mahomes is limit how
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long he's on the field. The more snaps he has,
the more time you have chances you have at Mahomes magic.
Is that fair? Guys. Yep, So why would you increase
the volume of reps the volume of plays? I just yeah,
that one. This one felt like an easy one, and
(31:57):
I do think it's fair. You know, you I won't
get a call from the dam Bay Buccaneers, but you'll
have people go like, you know, you screwed up. Yeah,
I screwed up stuff last night, no question, zero question
about it. But this one was an easy one, A
really really easy one.
Speaker 5 (32:15):
You know who agrees with that? I think Baker Mayfield.
I think not only would he have wanted a chance
to try to win that, but his expression when they
lost the quite loss, they may as well have just
ended the game and given the Chiefs the game at
that point. That was awesome. His look when they just
lost the coin toss, Oh well that's the game.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
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I just you know, and you can you also can
it can deflate your team a little bit, deflate your
team a little bit.
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haven't downloaded it, you're just you're missing out. You're missing out. Okay,
of the trades made so far, which one has the
biggest impact on a playoff team?
Speaker 4 (33:26):
Well, I gotta start with thank congrats of your first game.
Speaker 9 (33:29):
That's pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
We lost.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
I lost a couple.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Of the goal is to have more points than the
other team, John, we had less points than the other team,
But thank you.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
True. But I mean the level of comp I mean,
I think I'm bullish, I would say on the Cowboys,
I guess I just heard on the updates that they're
putting him on injur reserve. Obviously that's something different now
than what it meant ten years ago. Obviously you can
come back off. But that's that's several games. I mean,
(34:00):
even with them, they.
Speaker 9 (34:01):
Were in good shape. And Cooper Rush actually.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
Is probably one of the better backups in the NFL.
I mean, honestly, it might be the best backup in
the NFL. They've won games with him before, but this
team isn't as good as those teams, And I think Cowboys,
you know, just big picture on the Cowboys. He saw
it last year with the Chargers, Like, if you are
going to have a season from hell and you are
going to get a new coach and you have some
high priced guys, getting a top eight or nine draft
(34:28):
pick in every round is not a bad thank Like
do you think Jim Harbaugh is bad that he has
Joe Alton McConkie on his team.
Speaker 9 (34:35):
So I think, big picture, if.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
You can just stomach this season going down the drain,
it's going to pay off. And I think what the
Cowboys love doing. They did this with Trey Lance, and
they did it today with the Mingo kid from Carolina,
is like they go off their draft grades. Now, the
Trey Lance thing was pretty crazy when they did it.
Speaker 9 (34:54):
The Mingo thing to me is not. You know, he
was just he was picked thirty nine in two thousand
twenty three.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
You know, this is a wide receiver, a big physical
guy coming from the SEC. They're gonna need cheaper labor.
So yeah, they gave up more. I always see this
on the internet, like, oh they they gave up more
for him than the Chiefs did. DeAndre Hopkins. Well, yeah,
this guy make less than a million dollars a year.
It was just drafted in the top forty. So he's
he's a young twenty three year old on a rookie.
Speaker 9 (35:24):
Now, that doesn't mean he's gonna be any good. But
I understand why they did it.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
You were a call did not go through your I
don't even know what that is. John, You're still there
your show here on YO. Yeah, you're on Fox Sports Radio.
Let's let's get to the Cowboys. Though we mentioned Dak
you mentioned I are. I mean it's a hard like
(35:49):
when it happens on video, it's a hard one. And
when he says we effing suck that. And I mean
when your quarterback and leader says that, that's a wow.
That's a wow.
Speaker 5 (36:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
I mean, I'm a big believer in authenticity. I mean,
I know some people just like.
Speaker 9 (36:11):
Bs into your face.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
But we're all watching him play and he's on the
sideline watching his team get his budget. Obviously he's a
part of that. Yeah, at the time he was injured,
but I just like.
Speaker 9 (36:22):
What did he say? It wasn't true.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
I mean, they're terrible, they are not very good. Now,
part of it is injuries. I mean they've had major
injuries on their defensive line, so their defense, which was questionable,
got way worse. I mean their personnel moves for a
team that you know, most teams are able to find
running backs.
Speaker 9 (36:41):
And they signed Zeke.
Speaker 4 (36:43):
Elliott because like Jerry likes them, and all I ever
heard about Zeke was like, you.
Speaker 9 (36:46):
Know, he's this super high level guy.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
He's a great leader. And then the story breaks he
gets left at home because he's showing up late constantly.
Speaker 9 (36:55):
Isn't Zeke like thirty plus years old, hasn't been the
league forever? Like that's it's a.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
Pretty embarrassing story, right, Like on the stake you make
professionally when you're in your early twenties, you know, for
normal humans shouldn't be the same one you make when
you become a veteran at the company. And that was
pretty symbolic of the Cowboys, like they went back down
the rabbit hole at a position where there's a million
running backs because they love this guy and he's supposed
(37:20):
to be like a high character, super leader and then
he's just not showing up to stuff. So and that
to me is more on Jerry than Mike. I don't
think Mike's banging down the door for you know, Zeke
Elliott to be on the team and then you know
Mike Zimmers that is that McCarthy's higher. It's just everything's
just got a whack there. And I do think it's
(37:42):
becoming a little bit you know, the the latter years
of Al Davis. I think Cowboys have potential to be
that just because Jerry, I mean every time he doubles down.
So Jerry just let's just take a week off and
he's just you know, multiple radio hits and then it's
put daily press conference at the.
Speaker 9 (37:59):
End of the game. It's just it might be getting
to the point works a little much.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
It certainly feels like it's getting away from them in
a big, big way. Doug Gotlieb Show here on Fox
Sports Radio. I thought a disappointing performance from the Packers.
Obviously it did look like Jordan Love maybe shouldn't have
come back and played that soon, But the game wasn't
really competitive and another big interception for Jordan Love. What's
(38:25):
your biggest takeaway from the Lions kind of dominating performance against.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
The pack Yeah, I mean it was really impressive. They
had like they had a cheap, you know, Belichick Brady
Patriot vibe, like how many games have we seen an
inclement weather with this Andy Reid Mahomes team. Now we
saw it again Monday night.
Speaker 9 (38:42):
We saw for.
Speaker 4 (38:43):
Twenty plus years with it with the Patriots. It was like,
we're just going to be more buttoned up and better
than you, and it's going to look ugly and we're
going to dominate you. And that's what the Lions did.
I mean in that game. And I get he's playing injured.
No one questions. There's certain players like no one questions toughness.
No one, Jordan, no one's question your toughness. If you're
not going to be able to function, then you might
(39:03):
be hurting your team. And the one thing that you
cannot do in a game like that, because points are
going to be very very difficult to come by, is
hand them seven points. And that's what he did on
that play, which, let's face it, the game ended that
when that point happened, Like that's when the game ended.
And I just think now he's had some moments in
(39:24):
some of these games where it's like, bro, you can't
and even throughout the game is a chuck in a
deep like this is not going to work in this
driving rainstorm. And listen, Dan Campbell said it in the
locker room after and he's right, like, we don't care anymore,
like we are built for this. And when you watch
him talk to his team, you're like, this guy kind
(39:47):
of has a vibe of like being the third Hardbob
Brother or something, because you know, you could make fun
of him early on for saying the stuff, but now
it's just like, no, this stuff works, Like what he's
saying is real and toughness with a franchise that I
know they play in a cold weather city, but they
play inside, so you just never quite know. And I
(40:08):
mean they're probably gonna be the number one seed so
they won't have to go outside. But you got to
feel pretty confident after watching that, like that's that's a
pretty mentally tough team. And the quarterback, which was always
a big knock, even Brady said during the game, he's like,
you know, I didn't think he could just maintain this accuracy,
and then they show he was like eleven and eleven
(40:28):
at the time in the driving rainstorm, So whatever he's
done with Jared Dpp as like hardball, Andy Reid, Alex
Smith vibes it's like an uplift that and Jared's a
better player than Alex Smith.
Speaker 9 (40:41):
But it's it's been incredible to.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
Watch Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. You know,
it's interesting. We were all watching the games at Buffalo
Wild Wings and Stillwater on Sunday, and obviously, John, you
know that Jason and I are big Charger guys, and
this is a little thing for I think I think
(41:04):
a lot of people would have missed this, but maybe
it's me the coaching in me. Did you see their
end of first half where they were throwing the ball
backwards trying to score on the last second.
Speaker 9 (41:16):
I don't remember up down my head.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
No, Well, it was really well executed. And then at
the end of it they had a chance at maybe
another lateral, but there was also the chance of fumbling
it and they just ate the football. So they probably
marched it down. They probably had seventy yards to go
and they got it about forty yards and then and
to me, it's signified that, oh they've done this. They
(41:39):
look like they were prepared for this, and they executed it.
And then when it was too risky because you can
turn the football over you can give up a touchdown
there when it's too risky. They ate the football. My
point is that say whatever you want about the limitations
the Chargers have outside the numbers at wide receiver or
what they've had before the trade deadline, but they really
(42:01):
look well coached, and they look like a team that
is not going to beat themselves and will be in
the playoffs this year.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
You know, I don't pretend to be a genius prognosticator,
and I had the Saints winning the division, so I
can be an idiot, but I love the Chargers to
make the playoffs in August, and people like yourself kind
of scared me off a little bit. And now you
watch him, you go, this is just class and Jim
Rba and can you imagine being a Bears fan and
(42:29):
you drafted the guy. He played for you for six
or seven years.
Speaker 9 (42:33):
You know, he's part of.
Speaker 4 (42:35):
Your franchise's that region of the country.
Speaker 9 (42:37):
He was coaching at.
Speaker 4 (42:38):
Michigan, and knowing that, like you didn't even attempt.
Speaker 9 (42:42):
To get this guy.
Speaker 4 (42:43):
And the Chargers landed them and immediately, I mean, they
have the same amount of wins right now. On what
was the November fifth, then they did all of last year,
and when you look at records that you know that
kind of that visual was going viral about twenty ten,
nine or six and ten. First year, thirteen and three Michigan.
People forget how big of a joke Michigan was.
Speaker 9 (43:05):
Before he showed up five to seven.
Speaker 4 (43:08):
He went ten and three, and obviously last year was just,
I mean a pretty historic embarrassment.
Speaker 9 (43:14):
I mean, they lost the Raiders. What was that score
on Thursday night.
Speaker 4 (43:16):
Where everyone got fired one hundred and nothing and they
went five to twelve. And now he's headed toward I'd
be stunned if he doesn't win at least eleven games
when you look at the schedule and what he's doing
with the quarterback who was playing at an really high level.
The one thing you know with Jim, which is crazy
because he's a former quarterback, but he might as well
be a you know, former detackler linebacker, his defense is
(43:40):
going to be locked good when he shows up because
he hires a good defensive coordinators. Actually usually he hired
great defensive coordinators. Fangio with him at Stanford and the
forty nine ers, and now you know, going through McDonald
and Mentor, which obviously he's still got mentor, but do
you think anyone's gonna want to I mean, obviously the
Chiefs are gonna win the big but if.
Speaker 9 (44:01):
You're the if you're the three seeds, so let's just
say that Ravens, like you got to face Harba obviously brothers,
but you'll say the Steelers.
Speaker 4 (44:12):
I mean, whoever wins that division and they got to
face the Chargers. That's the last team, big time quarterback
and Jim Harbaugh that that's got upset City written all
over it.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
It really does. That's John Minillcall three announced the podcast.
I'm sure he'll have one up at the end of
the night with the trade deadline coming to an end shortly. John,
thanks so much for the compliments. I appreciate it, and
hopefully next time we actually get the win, don't just win.
Speaker 9 (44:37):
What's our point? What's our main point?
Speaker 4 (44:39):
Emphasis at the last night the next practice, defense, Uh.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
Well this matchup is very different, our next game is
very very different. But yeah, I mean defense, and we
need to value the basketball. You know, we're too good
a passing team to have nineteen turnovers, but nineteen turnovers
nineteen offensive rebounds, and we just need to ex you better,
and and uh, either play through fatigue or I need
(45:04):
to play some more guys. It's probably the other thing.
Speaker 4 (45:07):
I know. It wasn't about you, obviously your team, but
left I had to be a pretty cool night.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
It was cool R plus my son was on the
my son was on the bench, my daughters were there.
I had so many friends there. It was really cool, great.
I appreciate it.
Host
Doug Gottlieb
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