December 17, 2024 • 44 mins
On a Tuesday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug talks about the elephant in the room as he and Adam Schefter took X on Monday night when Doug took Adam to task over the details of a post about Sacramento State.
Dan shares his "Beyer's Remorse". Doug welcomes Hall Of Famer Brian Dawkins onto the show to talk about his Eagles and something that is very important to him.
Doug explains why he thinks Vikings QB Sam Darnold has been proving him correct and Dan Beyer offers up his opinion.
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the Broncos as well.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
We get some buyers remorse the Browns making a change.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
I give you my thoughts on Kirk Couzins after watching
him last night, and a YadA, a YadA, ayada. This
is the Doug Gottlib show, and you know, I've been
in some of these Twitter fights before, and I think
the change in me, know, my change over the last
(01:19):
when we come into Twitter was probably like what two
thousand and eleven, right, twenty eleven. So in the last
thirteen years, I think twenty ten was when shepter when
when Twitter became a thing. Twenty eleven was when I
joined then Twitter now x So I've been in plenty
of these before. I think the difference is two or threefold.
(01:41):
A one is that you know, in the past, when
when you tweet something you don't like the way it
comes out, you just take it down, right, But somehow
we've gotten into this uh screenshot got just sort of
thing where if you take it down now it's like, woh,
(02:04):
we found you tweeting something. When you're allowed to erase
something if you'd like, I wish I would have reworded.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
That second thing is.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Normally, I would say, previous to the last maybe five years,
I wouldn't have been able to recognize, even in my
own tweets the language that became incendiary to lead to
a flammable situation.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
And the third thing is that.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yeah, I'm just I'm not really super defensive and I
but I now realize why others are right. So a buyer,
I'm sure buyer's active on social media. I know all
you guys are. So basically, here's what happened yesterday. Dan
Bayer and I think his second hour updates said that
(03:03):
in addition to Norfolk State, who reportedly has interviewed Mike
Vick to be their next head football coach, Sacramento State
is now interested. Matter of fact, Adam Shefter's tweet was
that you know, like they're they're pursuing him, like it
might happen, and he said that Sacramento State had fifty
million dollars in NIL at fifty million dollars in IO.
(03:24):
Now again, this is the problem with with social media
is that if it's not in a video or long form,
or it's not on the radio as it is now,
you say fifty million, you're like wait. It felt like
Adam Schefter was saying they have fifty million dollars to
spend on football players next year. That were the case,
(03:45):
that would give them the deepest pool of NIL money
of any team in the country by about two and
a half times, like two and a half times. It
doesn't mean that Texas and Ohio State and Georgia and
Alabama don't have bigger budgets.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
They do, but the pool of.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Money for NIL this past year reportedly and again they
have tax returns going back to last year where Ohio
State I think was like the thirteen fourteen million in
this year is supposed to be twenty million dollars. So
when you say they have fifty million in NIL, those
of us who are in the profession, I'm in the
profession as a men's head basketball coach, I can tell
(04:22):
you that number is preposterous. That as simply simply somebody
trying to inflate it. But you have to, like sef out,
you have to go like, wait, fifty million in nil,
which they would probably say, yeah, we have fifty million
committed if the football program goes and some of that
will be broken off into nil and oh yeah, by
(04:46):
the way, next year, that money can come from in house.
What people should understand that those of us again in
the business understand is there's a house settlement. Once the
settlement happens, schools, all these schools, we we owe money
for this settlement that will go directly to former athletes,
former student athletes for compensation for their name, image likeness
(05:11):
for the past like twenty years in a class action lawsuit.
So no one is operating as if there's not going
to be money spent just to send to make past
this big pass lawsuit go away.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Then you have the realities up.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
If you move from FCS to FBS, you need a
new stadium, you need new coaching staff, Okay, you need
all the different things it takes that require money, And
fifty million dollars actually goes really really fast, and you
never get that amount to the players. So there's room
for a commer discussion where you just go, yeah, that
(05:48):
number seems off or that number seems high. Instead, my
response was something along the Jesus chefty right need to edit.
When an agent sends you a sends you a text,
there's zero percent, zero point zero percent chance sax State
has fifty million dollars in an ail, to which he
(06:11):
uh first defended it and said that that there's something
called the Sack twelve which is raising money to get
Sack State into the PAC twelve UH and that they've
reported to have fifty million dollars in in pledges in pledges,
and then he came after me about my basketball program
(06:31):
and said, Jesus Doug, you're lost seven to row. You're
in the last place in the Horizon League. So he
went top rope byer, I haven't talked to you today.
What are your thoughts on the Twitter beef?
Speaker 3 (06:44):
I mean, it was it was something. It was everywhere. Uh,
you know, I didn't I didn't love your your tone,
like to Adam Schefter in the initial tweet. Yeah, I
think it's more of a group text sort of thing, like, yeah, guys,
a load of this this is completely off base. None
of this is true. So I thought the wording of
(07:06):
it was was a little harsh, even if you were
correct in what you were saying. Yeah, So yeah, that's
and then you know, the comeback leaves the door, the
comeback from Schefter because of how you worded it leaves
you open to taking that sort of blow with the
screen shot and yeah, and then it just absolutely took
(07:28):
off from there. I do think that there's a I
think there's a lesson to be learned in it, and
it's sometimes it isn't. In this case, it wasn't more
important to be right. It was just of like how
it was carried on, Like if you would have said
(07:49):
this is incorrect if they don't have that much money.
But I think it was the shot of the agent
because it's.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Also no question, you know, no question, because that's how,
that's how, by and large, he gets that information.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
That's it's not how.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
It's not the the agent probably not involved in this one,
but it's more the point of insiders and you and
I know lots of them, and Schefter's really good at
NFL stuff. Part of it is also like Schefter's trying
to say he could do the basketball stuff, which is like, again, no,
if you haven't been in a business, your ability to
understand that business has made really really difficult, really difficult,
(08:26):
and so you take you have to like, here's what's
hard about his job. I know there's there's somebody else
who's an NFL insider. I won't name names because but
it's everything he does is in the positive in regards
to the player, in regards the parts of regards to
the player, and all he does is inflate the values
of the players of opinions. And that's clearly where he
(08:47):
gets the stuff. And it's just copy and paste off
whatever somebody's agent, whatever player sends him that's what he
goes with. I think Schefter generally does a much better
job of just here's what it is, here's what's happen.
In that case, he was literally discussing something that either
he didn't have any desire to look into. He might
(09:09):
have been doing somebody a favor. It might have been,
you know, encouraging, helping, encourage Mike Vick, here's why you
should take the job. Yeah, we got fifty million dollars
in cash right on hand, but it's not true. And
I completely understand my tone was was.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Pretty negative there. I got it. I didn't think I
went as personal as he went.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
That.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
You know, that's an interesting take because I think that
Schefter thinks of I mean, whether Adam Schefter did or
didn't do it, the fact that as an insider, there's
a perception that he would just copy and paste an
agent thing. I think he thought that was a direct
shot at him, and in fact, within the last couple
of weeks, John Hayman, who covers Major League Baseball, got
into it with a Wfan host who had said that
(09:55):
Haman was kind of doing the same thing with Scott Boris,
and Haeman was completely offended off their interview wouldn't go
on with the hosts again, So it's one of those
sore spots. I guess if you will, if you're in
that profession, like you could say what you want, but
don't say that, And I think that's probably how Schefter
felt in that scenario. So he felt he could take
(10:16):
that shot at you.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Yeah, and then you know, Twitter get starts piling on whatever.
For the record, Okay, I know my record, I know
what a record is. Here doesn't feel good, but it's
year one. It's not a one year plan, and we'll.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Get it right.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
It just takes time and we've got to figure out
how to win. We play tomorrow, but a really good
team tomorrow. That again, like we're playing our first Division
two opponent, but they're Michigan Tech. They just beat the
number three Division two team in the country. They're good,
and we got to learn how to win. So it'll
be something. It'll be something, but eventually we'll get right
(10:55):
and we'll keep the receipts and we'll make sure everybody
remembers that we remember.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Yes, Chase too.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
Hey, Just for the record, for our listeners here, I
reached out to Adam today to see if you had
come on and just talk about this, maybe bury the hatchet.
And he politely declined. And I've been doing this long
enough to know the difference between a polite decline and
an fu decline. And it was definitely polite, with a
happy holidays probably best, probably best. But we wanted to
(11:24):
give them a chance to come on.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Yep, yep.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
So And to anybody who thinks when I was at
ESPN we would have had beef like now have no
beef with Chefty, it was just kind of an off handed,
flippant I'd have it a bit of a day and
I get to my little sarcastic ways and I loud,
I got, I get why you'd be busy.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
I just didn't think it was to that level.
Speaker 6 (11:46):
This is the best of the Done Dot Lead show
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
It's the Got the Show Fox Sports Radio. Before we
get the buyer's remorse, jayse dude, you have some remorse?
Do you have some business to clean up?
Speaker 2 (12:01):
What do you got?
Speaker 5 (12:02):
No, I'm going to save the remorse for buyer, but
I do want to say this just a little bit
of business for the listeners.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
I think we owe it to them. This is the.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
Last day of the year that you're going to get
the Varsity Squad, Sam on the board, Buyer at the updates,
me producing, and Gottlieb hosting last show of the year.
Really it might be we might have one left at
the very end, but I know it's the last show
through Christmas, and I just want to promise the listeners
as you're listening right now, that we're going to give
(12:33):
you some of the best forty minutes of live radio
you've ever heard. Until the top they.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Are Wait, so I means you guys are off a
ton because I'm not off a ton.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
That's right.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
One of us in order to fulfill what I just described. Yeah,
I got all of us has to be missing.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
No, I got it.
Speaker 7 (12:52):
Just like Captain Planet, you know, earth, Wind, dirt, fire, water.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
With our powers.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Combined, which one would you be?
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Man, I'd probably be Earth because I like the Earth.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
I mean, who doesn't like the Earth?
Speaker 3 (13:06):
It's like the dirt.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Which one would you beat?
Speaker 4 (13:09):
To?
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Jason? I'm usually on fire, you know, high emotion.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Okay, what about you there? Dad?
Speaker 3 (13:17):
With Sam?
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Wait, you're both Earth. I thought there was only four
or four things earth, wind, fire, what's the other one?
Speaker 3 (13:24):
No, I thought we were just being independent of earth, fire, wind, water,
and heart.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Oh that's fine.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
And then I'm the heart. Absolutely, you know this thing.
I'm the heartbeat of this bad boy. So, Doug, you get.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
I think here, here's me.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
I think here, I'm gonna make an adjustment here. I
think Dan is the earth. I think Jason is the water.
Uh wait, what are the other one's wind?
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Oh I'm the fire, fire, wind and water, and you're
the wind.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
I'm a blow hard.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
That's why you can just get a little No, you
just get a little windy with he can be it's
a lot going on there.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Well, I don't you know. I just got it.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Whereas like this earth is solid and grounding, right, it's
it's it. And I think Dan picks up, you know,
fills in when I'm not on. He fills in so
many holes with like he's a connective tissue. None of
it happens without water. We can't survive without water.
Speaker 7 (14:28):
Mike Lan guards the water. How about Mike landguards are water?
Our associate producer, Mike.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
I thought Mike would be the heart. I really did well.
Speaker 7 (14:38):
I d's sarcastic. Dan said he's a heart. He's being sarcastic.
But I think Dan is the heart. He could also
be the earth.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Oh, I think Dan being the heart actually is a
good call. Okay, I get Earth in No, I don't.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Think you're Earth. I don't think I don't think you
play nearly as big a role.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
I stay to clean.
Speaker 7 (14:55):
I stake the flag in the ground, in the earth.
I stuck that flag in there. And if I do that,
you're not him. I'll be arrested.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
I think Jase do actually upon further review, Okay, if
if if Dan is the heart, right, he's also he's
I think he's the heart.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Okay, I like this better.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Jase dou is the fire because especially on the podcast
right where you do, you're annoying like he when he
gets mad about things or he gets locked in on
things like or he gets negative about things like it's
it drives us.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
You continue to be the wind.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
That's fine.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
You continue to be the wind. You are windy. And
then it's what earth and and and water.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
You're the earth because you're showing.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
And then I'm the Earth.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
And I do think that Mike sustains life, so he's water, right, okay?
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Or maybe it could be you.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Maybe you could sustain life because it doesn't work with
that you hitting the buttons. And then Mike's the wind
because he comes in and goes o, ye, who does
the best ling guard of Dan?
Speaker 4 (15:56):
Dan?
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Mine is now like a mockery of me mocking Mike
ling guard.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
That's okay, nobody, but nobody knows who Mike Glinguard is,
so they think that's a really good impression, or we're going, yeah,
that's pretty good.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Doug's take on Kaitlyn Clark is pretty strong.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Brian Dawkins in five minutes. First, let's get the buyer's remorse.
Speaker 6 (16:16):
Some have remorse.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
I am deeply sorry for my irresponsible and selfish behavior.
I engage, but.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
There's nothing quite like buyer's remorse.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
All right, Danny by, what do you have remorse for
in sports today?
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Yeah, I'm glad that we could hammer that out because, honestly, guys,
I'm hitting close to home. I thought better of your
Los Angeles Chargers. I thought that Jim Harbaugh and this
team would be able to weather this storm. And we
are just a week and a few days removed from
an almost win in Kansas City. But what transpired against
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the Buccaneers makes me think maybe that's more of where
the season is going as opposed to the tough fight
that they had against the Chiefs. You have to run
the ball. You have to be able to stop the run.
They did neither against the Buccaneers. And the one thing
that you can you could always count on, at least
on a Jim Harbaugh coach team, is they would stick
(17:16):
to their identity. That's been their identity. Without JK. Dobbins,
that injury is proving to be a huge injury. But
without him they can't run the football. Gus Edwards is
not the answer, and they still may make the playoffs
because of how open things are for them with a
two game lead over the likes of the Dolphins and
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the Colts and Cincinnati. I still expected more from them
and I did not expect them to fall off in
the second part of the season. But they have losers
of three of their last four.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
Okay, right, I think the team has gone from in
the last three weeks. The team has gone from the
team that you don't want to play the playoffs to
the team that you're pretty glad to get in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Yeah, I'd agree with that.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
I'm gonna I'm gonna give them the benefit of data
just from this standpoint, and I've always thought it, but
now living it as a coach, I know it to
be true, which is those hard losses like they lost
to Kansty Chiefs, they can linger, especially when you have
a group that hasn't won a ton.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
You know, where you lose a game and you think
you got a really.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Good shot against a team that's better than you, like
the Cansta Chiefs, and it's like a loss and a half.
They beat you for the first half of the for
the for part of the next game. You put so
much into the Chiefs that he come back and yeah,
you're leading the Buccaneers at half time, but then you
have nothing left in the tank for the second half
of the Buccaneers boat race. Yet I'm I'm not disappointed,
(18:49):
because I do think they're way better than way further
along than they should be with just a coaching change
and a little bit of modest adjustment to some of
the personnel.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
But I also.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Wouldn't completely abandoned them as being a solid team, which
they didn't look like in the second half Sunday afternoon,
because I think that there's some resident resident kind of
shrapnel from that loss to the Kaansta Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
They have two winnable games at the end of the
year against the Patriots and the Raiders. Both are on
the road, Patriots by the hold on a second, So
they have two games at the end of the year
Patriots and Patriots and Raiders. The Patriots game has been
flexible Saturday, it's been flexed to Saturday and Week seventeen.
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It's this Broncos game. Sure they could win it, but
it is not the guarantee that you thought maybe it
was four weeks ago. And there's also the factor of Denver.
And I think Sean Payton now wants to beat the
Chargers because I think that was the job that he
wanted and then he ended up just I don't want
(19:56):
to say settling for the Broncos job, but took the
Broncos job instead because they stuck with Brandon Staley and
maybe to your and Jason's delight, you got Jim Harball.
But I think that this game means a lot to
the Broncos, means a lot to Sean Payton, and I
expect the Broncos to come in and win on Thursday
night in LA which would be a partial Broncos crowd.
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So I think they're going to go to eight and seven.
You could still win those final two games and make
the postseason. But to Jason's point, even if you make
the postseason, I don't know if they're really going to
be a threat to anyone. Fair I'll tell you what
to make it fair. I also have fires remorse on
my Seahawks. I talked about it was my hate and
(20:40):
seeing the Seahawks fans not being present in the Lower
Bowl in that game on Sunday Night. But there's also
a whole different situation with what that team is. Can't
run the football. Jackson Smith and Jigbad ten catches against
the Green Bay Packers. DK Metcalf had three completely Ryan
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Grubb right now is being completely overmatched as an offensive coordinator.
And I was hoping that making the transition from the
college game to the pro game would bring a lot
of new ideas and different things. It has been the
exact opposite, and the Seahawks offense just looks like a
clunker now. And if they can get a couple of
turnovers and make plays here, or if they get in
a shootout, maybe Gino could just wing it around to
(21:23):
bes healthy. But yeah, it has not been the season
offensively that I would have hoped for the Seahawks under
the new regime of Mike McDonald and offensive coordinator Ryan Grubb.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Does it Does it make you think that maybe it's
not the offense, maybe it's Gino or is it the offense?
Speaker 3 (21:40):
I think that there's a little bit of truth to that.
Gino is it? I mean, we saw it full display
interception in the end zone. It's got thirteen of them
this season. Thirteen interceptions that is in the end zone.
That would be way a lot, a whole bunch of them.
But I think we saw what the difference is between
Gino Smith and Sam Howell, who really couldn't do much
(22:01):
on Sunday night. I know he didn't get the practice
all week, but still I do think that there are
limitations with Geno Smith, But for right now, I don't
think that he is their biggest issue. Their line, I
think is the biggest issue of all.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
All right, that's buyer's remorse Stut gott Lieb Show here
on Fox Sports Radio and le Let's talk with a
Pro Football Hall of Famer. Brian Dawkins joins us on
The Doug gott Lieb Show. And he's here on behalf
of Beringer and Lily. We'll get to the take two
health initiative in a second, but Brian, first, how are you.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
I'm I'm absolutely blessed, absolutely blessed, cantraplain, not even a
little bit.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Okay, I'm fascinated by so many things going on in
the Nation Football League that you, I think have a
better grip on than anybody because obviously you've lived it
and you know it so well. All right, let's get
to the kind of brass tacks with the Philadelphia Eagles.
It's a team that on the field really successful and
yet you know, Jalen Hurts is wide receiving corps.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Are they getting long?
Speaker 4 (23:04):
Then?
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Jalen Hurts with a pretty good answer this this past weekend,
what's the state of the Eagles union from your perspective?
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Yeah, if if, if last weekend's game, after last week's
bananigans and conversations, or any indication that they're they're trending
in the right direction, They're going in the right direction
as far as that is concerned, I personally, I'm I'm
I'm a huge fan of having to fix problems throughout
(23:35):
the year. Yeah, I would p I would rather a
team that is having success have issues and still be
having you know, things that could be pointed out that
you don't get completely totally comfortable, like you're just blowing
everybody out to me that you know that team can
easily have some places he's set in and that complacency
(23:56):
can get you kicked out in the first round in
the playoffs, and so they're having to dig through issues.
And also, I still believe that this is a young
core team, to be honest with you, and they're they're
they're still building a foundation of who they are as
far as the chemistry in the hacker room is.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Yeah, and then you know you have Nick Sirianni getting
into it with one of his defensive linemen as well.
There are some places where confrontation works, right, it just does.
Is this a place where you can actually be good
despite the fact there's confrontation between coaching player and player
and player?
Speaker 4 (24:32):
You know what, It's funny to me, though, It's funny
to me that we are having these type of conversations
about coaches having confrontations with players and this is the
same city that had Buddy Ryan in it. Sure, Like,
are you serious do y'all do y'all not remember, but
Buddy Ryan chewing out guys and them kind of getting
in each other's face sometime, and there's more than just
(24:53):
from time to time. It would be like almost a
WHO team like. So those things I'm not and I'm
not sitting here telling you that that that's I would
love to continue to happen. But my point is that
it happens. But if you when you have you have love,
and you have accountability in the locker room, then those
things don't turn intop anything else. Then at some point
the other person calm both top parties calming down and
(25:16):
basically saying my bad, and and you move on and
get better.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
You do you move on and get better.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Let's uh, let's get to the rest of the league
or maybe even the important teams in that league. What's
your thoughts on brock party. You know, right now the
Niners are in last place. Obviously, there's been a ton
of injuries on that team, some age, a little bit dysfunction.
But there was talk a couple weeks ago over the
Niners making him a sixty million dollars a year quarterback.
(25:43):
If you're running the Niners, how do you handle brock party.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Has Rock Purty gotten that team to the playoffs?
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Think this year?
Speaker 4 (25:54):
No? In the past, yes, No, I'm throwing the past.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
Has has his played literally screamed that. Wow, there's something
about him.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Look, I think he's good. I just if you pay
him top of the league money, then something's gonna fall short.
And when he hasn't had everything all his weapons there, No,
he hasn't been at that level.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
So woo.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
So you're just gonna roll the dice and hopefully you
get a quarterback that's as capable as him, as early
as you as he is, I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Again, Like it's the he does have another year. You
can buy time, you know, there's always and people are always.
You can't use the franchise sad of course you can.
But there's there's a difference between not wanting him and
not wanting to spend sixty million a year on him.
That's there, I think, Laza.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
Up, here's the delimber. Here's the dilemma that the front
office will be in though. If you don't give him
the money now, the next year he could absolutely kill
it and now you're going to be probably paying him
seventy million dollars, eighty million dollars. You never over a
quarterback market apart. The quarterback market is outpacing everybody by
a tremendous pace, but you never know where that number
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is going to be. So are you willing to then
wait that out? Are you willing to wait that out?
Speaker 6 (27:11):
Go right ahead?
Speaker 4 (27:12):
But to me, the smart money is as you put
you lock that cat down and hopefully push it out
as long as you can, as far as not having
too much hit the cap, so that you can go
out and get those players or keep those players and
not have have to get rid of so many guys,
like so many teams that don't don't do the cat
well have to then go out and cut a whole
(27:35):
bunch of guys because they front loaded a gay quarterbacks
so much money that it hurts the hurts the whole team.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Yeah, I am.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
I'm also interested in your thoughts in the Lions. Obviously,
Dan Campbell, who's frankly one of your contemporaries when you
were a great player in the league.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
He was a tight end in the league.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
He surrounds himself with the coaching staff of guys that
played in your era as well and they've had incredible
energy and they're up to twelve and two record. But
it took some chances last year against San Francisco, and
then this past weekend again took a chance for then
early on side kick early start the fourth quarter because frankly,
they couldn't stop the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
They had continued injuries. Lose your running back this week.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
But I guess my question to you is do you
think that Dan Campbell's style will ultimately allow them to
win a Super Bowl?
Speaker 4 (28:22):
If you hitting, if he's hitting all of his threes.
What I mean by that is you'd live by the three.
You die by the three. So if you're hitting all
your three pointers in the in the in the NBA,
and you're gonna kill everybody, but wait, you're not. He
gonna die by that thing for me. So he's extremely aggressive.
He's gonna take those chances. And if he's killing it,
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and if he gets all of those, if he gets
to the on side kick, nobody's talking about it. If
they make those field goal or they go for and
they make those third down, yeah yeah, and again forty
nine ers, nobody's really talking about it. So it just
depends on where he lies with that. I personally I'm
not someone as quite aggressive as he is, but that's
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him and Detroit. You if you're listening, that's your coach.
So again, do you wanna need to live by a
three or dive by of three?
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Brian Dawkins, Pro Football Hall Famer joining us Doug Gotlieb
show Fox Sports Radio. We mentioned Bringer and Lily, they're
part of this. It takes to campaign with the upcoming
Rose Bowl Parade. Take me through the campaign. Why it's
important to you?
Speaker 4 (29:31):
Yeah, it's not just important, like it's extremely important to me.
You know. One of the things that I've in my
life as an athlete, have come to understand is the
importance of being proactive, right, being extremely proactive. And obviously
you're going to be reactive to things at different times,
but as much as possible, I want to be proactive,
and that's what play on the field, but also my
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health right. And so once I caught when it takes
two initiative and not just the initiative, but why why
they call it it takes two. It takes you and
your doctor, and it takes two tests to see if
you could be going down the path of either either
having kidney disease or developing it in the future. And
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that's if you have type two diabetes and you have
high blood pleasures. And so it hits home for me
because my mom and my dad both both have type
two diabetes and both of them have struggle from time
to time up and down with their blood pressure, and
so that is something that is concerning to me. So
why got out of information. I face it to them
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their caregivers, and they have to test. My father has
had to test. My mom is yet to have it.
On our next physical she will but again we're in
the know when it comes to that. And the number
is staggering, like thirty five million adults are living with
kidney disease and yet only ninety percent or ninety percent
shumans don't know that they have it. And so like
we're in the population now that is getting the test
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so that again we can know if they have it
or not. And it's so me being blessed to now
have the platform to team up to scream it from
stream it from the float. Right at the Rose they
parade the help individuals once again for those in your household, yes,
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your parents absolutely, but also your aunts, your uncles, your friends.
If they fall into these categories, if they then get
the same tests and then they going down the journey
that they go now find out that they're in that
that in the hab it or could have it, then
they can then get on the same face with their
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doctor to make sure that they're they are here and
they're here healthier longer.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Brian, where can where can people learn more?
Speaker 4 (31:48):
Test your kidneys dot com. That's your kidneys with a
s dot com.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Test your kidneys dot com. He's a Pro Football Hall
of Famer. You'll see him on that float during the
Rose Bowl Parade. He's one of the Brian Dawkins Me,
thanks so much for joining us. Really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
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a lot of different ways in which you could go
with this. I just I was watching the Minnesota Vikings
and yeah, part of me wants to take a victory
lap right where I'm I've been a Sam Donald guy.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
I mean you even go back and I said this.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Last year or was it two years ago, when h
brockperty was hurt, Sam Donald was star ar I was like, man,
I think Sam Donald gives you a better chance to
win in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Now the Niners end up going to Super Bowl. I
guess I look like a dope.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
But it wasn't like their offense was great and then
couldn't do anything in the Super Bowl, right, And my
point is that Donald has more pure God given talent tangibles,
if you will, than brock Purty. I think brock Purty
has all the intangibles you could ever want. But there
is a certain point to which you're like, you need tangibles,
(33:30):
not just intangibles. It doesn't mean that it's just the biggest, fastest, strongest,
is the best. There's a continuum, right, tangibles and intangibles
on each side, and you want to lean to the
side of intangibles. But when there's not enough tangibles, well
you end up having miss throws, and guys seem to
(33:50):
be able to sit on some of the routes and
make you throw outside the numbers deep down the field.
I said it because I've always been a believer in
Donald the leader, the athlete, the competitor. But if we're honest,
he wasn't very good with the Jets. His first three
games the Carolina Panthers, they were three and zero.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Then they fell apart. Now that the subsequent collapse.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Went along with went along with Christian McCaffrey getting hurt.
As soon as Christian McCaffrey got hurt and they started
playing better teams, he didn't play as well, and he
was out of a job. He's with the Niners as
their backup comes to the Vikings, and it was supposed
to be, you know, he'd be the placeholder until JJ McCarthy.
JJ McCarthy gets hurt in the preseason, and it's Sam's job.
(34:38):
He didn't have to look over his shoulder. He's having
an unbelievable year. And so the question is, was I
right all along when I thought he could be an
elite quarterback? Or is this simply a one year He's
got an incredible wide receiver in Justin Jeffsin Jefferson and
plays for Kevin O'Connell. Really has great feel for offensive football,
playing for the right coach, playing indoors, playing with right quarterback,
(35:00):
playing with a good running back, playing with a good team.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
They make him look far better than he is. Which
is it? And my answer is yes.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Obviously, all the learning that he's had to do during
his time in the NFL has made him better because
of it. It's just made him better. I think that's
part of it. I think he's always had talent. I
also think the Jets were a mess. I think the
(35:31):
Panthers were a bit of a mess, and the Niners
would have been a dream scenario. But by that time
he had earned the right to be a backup. Also,
when you lose or you lose your job, you lose
your confidence. If you don't have supreme self confidence, you
have no chance. And this is obviously the best that
(35:52):
he's played. I do think it's sustainable, especially in this system,
that Shanne Hand system that he knows really well.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
When he's got good players around him.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
I still don't think I was I was, I was
wrong when he was bad and he's with the Jets.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
I'm not sure anyone could.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Have been good with those Jets teams. But he wasn't
that bad and he couldn't lift him up byer you've
been You know, you watched the NFL for as long
as I have. You studied every Sunday. Obviously when you're
watching it as you're doing Fox. You're a Fox Sports
radio show? Am I now right? Was I wrong that
I'm right? As he simply improved? What's your read on
(36:33):
the same litle thing. I think it's fascinating.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
I'm going to use a Jason Stewart passion, uh sort
of thing, like I would cash in my chips, I
would walk away from the table. I'd take what I
have and I'd go home with it. Would I would
take what I've earned, Because Doug, I think that a
lot of the points that you stuck by during his
highs and lows and really his year of training in
(37:00):
San Francisco, if you will, And I think that was
actually the time where you really stood up for him.
Was I think that he's still got something. He didn't
actually play bad in Carolina. It was just such a
crazy scenario because Baker Mayfield was there, like and then
in the second time and the second half of that
what would have been the twenty twenty two season.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
I forgot that Baker. You brought Baker in there too.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
Yeah, so you know, Baker started there and it was
just because Darnald was there first, and then the Panthers
brought in Baker, and Baker that ended up being the
starter from week one. Then when they ended up releasing Baker,
Donald took over and wasn't awful awful. So he goes
to San Francisco and has that year off and now
is proving his worth. I would cash in the chips
(37:45):
now just for the fact of it isn't a guarantee
that he sticks around, and I think that he has
benefited from coaching and the coaching that he's got over
the last two years, and you don't know if that's
going to happen in twenty twenty five. So when you
say cashing.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Your chips, you're saying he should cash in his chips.
They should cash in their chips. Who should catch in
these chips?
Speaker 3 (38:05):
I don't think that you should hold stock to be like,
just wait for more from Sam Donald. I think that
this would be a good spot to say my point
was proven he was a better quarterback then people wanted
to give him credit for. And look what he's doing
in Minnesota, because I don't know if he would go
somewhere else and have the same success that he's having
(38:25):
in Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
If I'm advising Sam Donald, Okay, I would say, Hey,
whatever the most I can get in Minnesota, that's what
I go get, not out of some sort of you
gave me a shot when everybody didn't, because the reality
is that they whatever shot they gave him, he was
going to be a placeholder for JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Right.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Yeah, But you're like, look it fits here, it works here.
I know the system, I know the coach, I know
all the guys. Whatever is the most I can make,
upsetting the apple cart the least.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
That's what I do.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
And so if you get offered thirty somewhere else, do
you only get offered twenty Minnesota? Like I take the twenty,
I really do. And look, I would understand if you
take the thirty. It's ten million dollars difference between the two.
But there's a massive difference between playing and sitting and
you go to the wrong place and it all falls
apart and they go to young guy and you're gonna sit.
(39:22):
So I just that's what I would do whatever I
could to push the envelope within reason, but to set
myself up for long term success in Minnesota. What's crazy
about Minnesota is go and look at how many reclamation
projects they have had. You know, Randall Cunningham was one,
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Dante Culpepper.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Was well, don Die Colpepper. They drafted right, I.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Think hopever they drafted Sorry, he went to Miami was
hist They tried to rehab him. Randall Cunningham, case Keenum
was one. Brett Favre was one, right. Brett Farvtck fell
apart with the Jets when he heard his he heard
his bicep right, so you kind of look who is
there called Kirk Cousins was one. It wasn't a rehab project,
(40:08):
but he was in Washington and they got him as
a free agent. But my point is they've been the
second or third spot for a lot of guys, and
by and large, many of them have had success there
and haven't had it elsewhere.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
I wouldn't put Cousins in that that rehab era, but
I would say that Cousins play his best football with Minnesota,
as we're seeing now with Atlanta not being there and
this time in Washington he was. He did play his
best football with the Vikings.
Speaker 5 (40:35):
Jay Stoo, I agree with everything you guys had just said.
I really enjoyed the banter. I did want to add
this two months ago, and this might be my favorite
part of Sam darnold number. Two months ago, amid the
Bryce Young demotion, it became like a trendy topic in
(40:56):
the debate shows and radio. You know, organizations letting down
their players. It was such a gen z tick. I
could take all the accountability off the player, it's the organization.
And they cornered Sam Darnold on it one day, and
I love his answer here.
Speaker 4 (41:12):
O'Connell and Quasi.
Speaker 8 (41:13):
I have said several times here, I think this year
is and when they were looking at any quarterbacks and
so forth, that more often than not, organizations failed young
quarterbacks more than quarterbacks would failed the organizations.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Do you feel the Jets failed you in any way?
Speaker 3 (41:28):
No?
Speaker 2 (41:29):
I think you know, I had a lot of opportunities
in New York, and I always felt like I could
have played better there.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
Boom accountability.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
Yeah, now, but you do you learn. Okay.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
So here's the guys, the second chance guys there, Okay,
Kirk Cousins, I'll give it to you.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
He was a free agent. He signed.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
He was a high price free agent. Warren Moon, Hey,
Warren Moon, Farv Randall Cunningham, Sam Bradford right, Sam Bradford,
case Keenum. Gus Faratt had one really good year there.
Remember Gus Faratt was originally with the Redskins. Jeff George
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was eight and two as a Viking starting quarterback. Matt
Castle didn't have a bunch of success. Jim McMahon was
actually the quarterback of the Vikings and went eight and four.
But that's a yeah, that's in nine, nineteen ninety three,
by the way, Jim McMahon late in the Jim McMann era.
(42:32):
So they've had this weird thing where they've had guys
who have been you know, it's been their last stop
or whatever, and they've actually been better. I don't know
what it's because of playing indoors, whatever, but they actually have
had a bunch of guys that have had one last
opportunity or an opportunity there, and it's some of their
most successful quarterbacks, Not fran Tarkenton, not Tommy Kramer. I
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agree with you, Dan, not Kirk Cousins, that'd be a miscast.
Not Dante Calpepper, Wade Wilson, but.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
Some of the others.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
So if it's me, I would say exactly what Sam
Donald's say, I just could have played better football, and
then understanding I'm playing good football. And is it all
the coaching staff, No? Is it all the support the
sporting players, No? Is it all playing in a dome?
Speaker 4 (43:22):
No?
Speaker 1 (43:22):
But it's working, and some of it's me. And maybe
even if it's a mind trick of me believing I
need to be in Minnesota to be successful, I will
live out that mind trick.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Very curious to see how Donald also handle those tight
game situations, which you very likely could get in the playoffs,
because Kirk Cousins, for as good as he was from Minnesota,
those late game scenarios, dumping the ball off, not being
able to throw the ball on a fourth down and
all those things also come into play. So if Donald
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can just do that and add a new wrinkle, I
think Minnesota Vikings fans would be would be happy throwing
a fourth down pass past the sticks late in the
game if you need it,
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We get some buyers remorse the Browns making a change.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
I give you my thoughts on Kirk Couzins after watching
him last night, and a YadA, a YadA, ayada. This
is the Doug Gottlib show, and you know, I've been
in some of these Twitter fights before, and I think
the change in me, know, my change over the last
(01:19):
when we come into Twitter was probably like what two
thousand and eleven, right, twenty eleven. So in the last
thirteen years, I think twenty ten was when shepter when
when Twitter became a thing. Twenty eleven was when I
joined then Twitter now x So I've been in plenty
of these before. I think the difference is two or threefold.
(01:41):
A one is that you know, in the past, when
when you tweet something you don't like the way it
comes out, you just take it down, right, But somehow
we've gotten into this uh screenshot got just sort of
thing where if you take it down now it's like, woh,
(02:04):
we found you tweeting something. When you're allowed to erase
something if you'd like, I wish I would have reworded.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
That second thing is.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Normally, I would say, previous to the last maybe five years,
I wouldn't have been able to recognize, even in my
own tweets the language that became incendiary to lead to
a flammable situation.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
And the third thing is that.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yeah, I'm just I'm not really super defensive and I
but I now realize why others are right. So a buyer,
I'm sure buyer's active on social media. I know all
you guys are. So basically, here's what happened yesterday. Dan
Bayer and I think his second hour updates said that
(03:03):
in addition to Norfolk State, who reportedly has interviewed Mike
Vick to be their next head football coach, Sacramento State
is now interested. Matter of fact, Adam Shefter's tweet was
that you know, like they're they're pursuing him, like it
might happen, and he said that Sacramento State had fifty
million dollars in NIL at fifty million dollars in IO.
(03:24):
Now again, this is the problem with with social media
is that if it's not in a video or long form,
or it's not on the radio as it is now,
you say fifty million, you're like wait. It felt like
Adam Schefter was saying they have fifty million dollars to
spend on football players next year. That were the case,
(03:45):
that would give them the deepest pool of NIL money
of any team in the country by about two and
a half times, like two and a half times. It
doesn't mean that Texas and Ohio State and Georgia and
Alabama don't have bigger budgets.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
They do, but the pool of.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Money for NIL this past year reportedly and again they
have tax returns going back to last year where Ohio
State I think was like the thirteen fourteen million in
this year is supposed to be twenty million dollars. So
when you say they have fifty million in NIL, those
of us who are in the profession, I'm in the
profession as a men's head basketball coach, I can tell
(04:22):
you that number is preposterous. That as simply simply somebody
trying to inflate it. But you have to, like sef out,
you have to go like, wait, fifty million in nil,
which they would probably say, yeah, we have fifty million
committed if the football program goes and some of that
will be broken off into nil and oh yeah, by
(04:46):
the way, next year, that money can come from in house.
What people should understand that those of us again in
the business understand is there's a house settlement. Once the
settlement happens, schools, all these schools, we we owe money
for this settlement that will go directly to former athletes,
former student athletes for compensation for their name, image likeness
(05:11):
for the past like twenty years in a class action lawsuit.
So no one is operating as if there's not going
to be money spent just to send to make past
this big pass lawsuit go away.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Then you have the realities up.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
If you move from FCS to FBS, you need a
new stadium, you need new coaching staff, Okay, you need
all the different things it takes that require money, And
fifty million dollars actually goes really really fast, and you
never get that amount to the players. So there's room
for a commer discussion where you just go, yeah, that
(05:48):
number seems off or that number seems high. Instead, my
response was something along the Jesus chefty right need to edit.
When an agent sends you a sends you a text,
there's zero percent, zero point zero percent chance sax State
has fifty million dollars in an ail, to which he
(06:11):
uh first defended it and said that that there's something
called the Sack twelve which is raising money to get
Sack State into the PAC twelve UH and that they've
reported to have fifty million dollars in in pledges in pledges,
and then he came after me about my basketball program
(06:31):
and said, Jesus Doug, you're lost seven to row. You're
in the last place in the Horizon League. So he
went top rope byer, I haven't talked to you today.
What are your thoughts on the Twitter beef?
Speaker 3 (06:44):
I mean, it was it was something. It was everywhere. Uh,
you know, I didn't I didn't love your your tone,
like to Adam Schefter in the initial tweet. Yeah, I
think it's more of a group text sort of thing, like, yeah, guys,
a load of this this is completely off base. None
of this is true. So I thought the wording of
(07:06):
it was was a little harsh, even if you were
correct in what you were saying. Yeah, So yeah, that's
and then you know, the comeback leaves the door, the
comeback from Schefter because of how you worded it leaves
you open to taking that sort of blow with the
screen shot and yeah, and then it just absolutely took
(07:28):
off from there. I do think that there's a I
think there's a lesson to be learned in it, and
it's sometimes it isn't. In this case, it wasn't more
important to be right. It was just of like how
it was carried on, Like if you would have said
(07:49):
this is incorrect if they don't have that much money.
But I think it was the shot of the agent
because it's.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Also no question, you know, no question, because that's how,
that's how, by and large, he gets that information.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
That's it's not how.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
It's not the the agent probably not involved in this one,
but it's more the point of insiders and you and
I know lots of them, and Schefter's really good at
NFL stuff. Part of it is also like Schefter's trying
to say he could do the basketball stuff, which is like, again, no,
if you haven't been in a business, your ability to
understand that business has made really really difficult, really difficult,
(08:26):
and so you take you have to like, here's what's
hard about his job. I know there's there's somebody else
who's an NFL insider. I won't name names because but
it's everything he does is in the positive in regards
to the player, in regards the parts of regards to
the player, and all he does is inflate the values
of the players of opinions. And that's clearly where he
(08:47):
gets the stuff. And it's just copy and paste off
whatever somebody's agent, whatever player sends him that's what he
goes with. I think Schefter generally does a much better
job of just here's what it is, here's what's happen.
In that case, he was literally discussing something that either
he didn't have any desire to look into. He might
(09:09):
have been doing somebody a favor. It might have been,
you know, encouraging, helping, encourage Mike Vick, here's why you
should take the job. Yeah, we got fifty million dollars
in cash right on hand, but it's not true. And
I completely understand my tone was was.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Pretty negative there. I got it. I didn't think I
went as personal as he went.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
That.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
You know, that's an interesting take because I think that
Schefter thinks of I mean, whether Adam Schefter did or
didn't do it, the fact that as an insider, there's
a perception that he would just copy and paste an
agent thing. I think he thought that was a direct
shot at him, and in fact, within the last couple
of weeks, John Hayman, who covers Major League Baseball, got
into it with a Wfan host who had said that
(09:55):
Haman was kind of doing the same thing with Scott Boris,
and Haeman was completely offended off their interview wouldn't go
on with the hosts again, So it's one of those
sore spots. I guess if you will, if you're in
that profession, like you could say what you want, but
don't say that, And I think that's probably how Schefter
felt in that scenario. So he felt he could take
(10:16):
that shot at you.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Yeah, and then you know, Twitter get starts piling on whatever.
For the record, Okay, I know my record, I know
what a record is. Here doesn't feel good, but it's
year one. It's not a one year plan, and we'll.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Get it right.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
It just takes time and we've got to figure out
how to win. We play tomorrow, but a really good
team tomorrow. That again, like we're playing our first Division
two opponent, but they're Michigan Tech. They just beat the
number three Division two team in the country. They're good,
and we got to learn how to win. So it'll
be something. It'll be something, but eventually we'll get right
(10:55):
and we'll keep the receipts and we'll make sure everybody
remembers that we remember.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Yes, Chase too.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
Hey, Just for the record, for our listeners here, I
reached out to Adam today to see if you had
come on and just talk about this, maybe bury the hatchet.
And he politely declined. And I've been doing this long
enough to know the difference between a polite decline and
an fu decline. And it was definitely polite, with a
happy holidays probably best, probably best. But we wanted to
(11:24):
give them a chance to come on.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Yep, yep.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
So And to anybody who thinks when I was at
ESPN we would have had beef like now have no
beef with Chefty, it was just kind of an off handed,
flippant I'd have it a bit of a day and
I get to my little sarcastic ways and I loud,
I got, I get why you'd be busy.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
I just didn't think it was to that level.
Speaker 6 (11:46):
This is the best of the Done Dot Lead show
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
It's the Got the Show Fox Sports Radio. Before we
get the buyer's remorse, jayse dude, you have some remorse?
Do you have some business to clean up?
Speaker 2 (12:01):
What do you got?
Speaker 5 (12:02):
No, I'm going to save the remorse for buyer, but
I do want to say this just a little bit
of business for the listeners.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
I think we owe it to them. This is the.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
Last day of the year that you're going to get
the Varsity Squad, Sam on the board, Buyer at the updates,
me producing, and Gottlieb hosting last show of the year.
Really it might be we might have one left at
the very end, but I know it's the last show
through Christmas, and I just want to promise the listeners
as you're listening right now, that we're going to give
(12:33):
you some of the best forty minutes of live radio
you've ever heard. Until the top they.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Are Wait, so I means you guys are off a
ton because I'm not off a ton.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
That's right.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
One of us in order to fulfill what I just described. Yeah,
I got all of us has to be missing.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
No, I got it.
Speaker 7 (12:52):
Just like Captain Planet, you know, earth, Wind, dirt, fire, water.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
With our powers.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Combined, which one would you be?
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Man, I'd probably be Earth because I like the Earth.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
I mean, who doesn't like the Earth?
Speaker 3 (13:06):
It's like the dirt.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Which one would you beat?
Speaker 4 (13:09):
To?
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Jason? I'm usually on fire, you know, high emotion.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Okay, what about you there? Dad?
Speaker 3 (13:17):
With Sam?
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Wait, you're both Earth. I thought there was only four
or four things earth, wind, fire, what's the other one?
Speaker 3 (13:24):
No, I thought we were just being independent of earth, fire, wind, water,
and heart.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Oh that's fine.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
And then I'm the heart. Absolutely, you know this thing.
I'm the heartbeat of this bad boy. So, Doug, you get.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
I think here, here's me.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
I think here, I'm gonna make an adjustment here. I
think Dan is the earth. I think Jason is the water.
Uh wait, what are the other one's wind?
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Oh I'm the fire, fire, wind and water, and you're
the wind.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
I'm a blow hard.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
That's why you can just get a little No, you
just get a little windy with he can be it's
a lot going on there.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Well, I don't you know. I just got it.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Whereas like this earth is solid and grounding, right, it's
it's it. And I think Dan picks up, you know,
fills in when I'm not on. He fills in so
many holes with like he's a connective tissue. None of
it happens without water. We can't survive without water.
Speaker 7 (14:28):
Mike Lan guards the water. How about Mike landguards are water?
Our associate producer, Mike.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
I thought Mike would be the heart. I really did well.
Speaker 7 (14:38):
I d's sarcastic. Dan said he's a heart. He's being sarcastic.
But I think Dan is the heart. He could also
be the earth.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Oh, I think Dan being the heart actually is a
good call. Okay, I get Earth in No, I don't.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Think you're Earth. I don't think I don't think you
play nearly as big a role.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
I stay to clean.
Speaker 7 (14:55):
I stake the flag in the ground, in the earth.
I stuck that flag in there. And if I do that,
you're not him. I'll be arrested.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
I think Jase do actually upon further review, Okay, if
if if Dan is the heart, right, he's also he's
I think he's the heart.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Okay, I like this better.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Jase dou is the fire because especially on the podcast
right where you do, you're annoying like he when he
gets mad about things or he gets locked in on
things like or he gets negative about things like it's
it drives us.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
You continue to be the wind.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
That's fine.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
You continue to be the wind. You are windy. And
then it's what earth and and and water.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
You're the earth because you're showing.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
And then I'm the Earth.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
And I do think that Mike sustains life, so he's water, right, okay?
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Or maybe it could be you.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Maybe you could sustain life because it doesn't work with
that you hitting the buttons. And then Mike's the wind
because he comes in and goes o, ye, who does
the best ling guard of Dan?
Speaker 4 (15:56):
Dan?
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Mine is now like a mockery of me mocking Mike
ling guard.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
That's okay, nobody, but nobody knows who Mike Glinguard is,
so they think that's a really good impression, or we're going, yeah,
that's pretty good.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Doug's take on Kaitlyn Clark is pretty strong.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Brian Dawkins in five minutes. First, let's get the buyer's remorse.
Speaker 6 (16:16):
Some have remorse.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
I am deeply sorry for my irresponsible and selfish behavior.
I engage, but.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
There's nothing quite like buyer's remorse.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
All right, Danny by, what do you have remorse for
in sports today?
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Yeah, I'm glad that we could hammer that out because, honestly, guys,
I'm hitting close to home. I thought better of your
Los Angeles Chargers. I thought that Jim Harbaugh and this
team would be able to weather this storm. And we
are just a week and a few days removed from
an almost win in Kansas City. But what transpired against
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the Buccaneers makes me think maybe that's more of where
the season is going as opposed to the tough fight
that they had against the Chiefs. You have to run
the ball. You have to be able to stop the run.
They did neither against the Buccaneers. And the one thing
that you can you could always count on, at least
on a Jim Harbaugh coach team, is they would stick
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to their identity. That's been their identity. Without JK. Dobbins,
that injury is proving to be a huge injury. But
without him they can't run the football. Gus Edwards is
not the answer, and they still may make the playoffs
because of how open things are for them with a
two game lead over the likes of the Dolphins and
(17:39):
the Colts and Cincinnati. I still expected more from them
and I did not expect them to fall off in
the second part of the season. But they have losers
of three of their last four.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
Okay, right, I think the team has gone from in
the last three weeks. The team has gone from the
team that you don't want to play the playoffs to
the team that you're pretty glad to get in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Yeah, I'd agree with that.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
I'm gonna I'm gonna give them the benefit of data
just from this standpoint, and I've always thought it, but
now living it as a coach, I know it to
be true, which is those hard losses like they lost
to Kansty Chiefs, they can linger, especially when you have
a group that hasn't won a ton.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
You know, where you lose a game and you think
you got a really.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Good shot against a team that's better than you, like
the Cansta Chiefs, and it's like a loss and a half.
They beat you for the first half of the for
the for part of the next game. You put so
much into the Chiefs that he come back and yeah,
you're leading the Buccaneers at half time, but then you
have nothing left in the tank for the second half
of the Buccaneers boat race. Yet I'm I'm not disappointed,
(18:49):
because I do think they're way better than way further
along than they should be with just a coaching change
and a little bit of modest adjustment to some of
the personnel.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
But I also.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Wouldn't completely abandoned them as being a solid team, which
they didn't look like in the second half Sunday afternoon,
because I think that there's some resident resident kind of
shrapnel from that loss to the Kaansta Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
They have two winnable games at the end of the
year against the Patriots and the Raiders. Both are on
the road, Patriots by the hold on a second, So
they have two games at the end of the year
Patriots and Patriots and Raiders. The Patriots game has been
flexible Saturday, it's been flexed to Saturday and Week seventeen.
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It's this Broncos game. Sure they could win it, but
it is not the guarantee that you thought maybe it
was four weeks ago. And there's also the factor of Denver.
And I think Sean Payton now wants to beat the
Chargers because I think that was the job that he
wanted and then he ended up just I don't want
(19:56):
to say settling for the Broncos job, but took the
Broncos job instead because they stuck with Brandon Staley and
maybe to your and Jason's delight, you got Jim Harball.
But I think that this game means a lot to
the Broncos, means a lot to Sean Payton, and I
expect the Broncos to come in and win on Thursday
night in LA which would be a partial Broncos crowd.
(20:19):
So I think they're going to go to eight and seven.
You could still win those final two games and make
the postseason. But to Jason's point, even if you make
the postseason, I don't know if they're really going to
be a threat to anyone. Fair I'll tell you what
to make it fair. I also have fires remorse on
my Seahawks. I talked about it was my hate and
(20:40):
seeing the Seahawks fans not being present in the Lower
Bowl in that game on Sunday Night. But there's also
a whole different situation with what that team is. Can't
run the football. Jackson Smith and Jigbad ten catches against
the Green Bay Packers. DK Metcalf had three completely Ryan
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Grubb right now is being completely overmatched as an offensive coordinator.
And I was hoping that making the transition from the
college game to the pro game would bring a lot
of new ideas and different things. It has been the
exact opposite, and the Seahawks offense just looks like a
clunker now. And if they can get a couple of
turnovers and make plays here, or if they get in
a shootout, maybe Gino could just wing it around to
(21:23):
bes healthy. But yeah, it has not been the season
offensively that I would have hoped for the Seahawks under
the new regime of Mike McDonald and offensive coordinator Ryan Grubb.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Does it Does it make you think that maybe it's
not the offense, maybe it's Gino or is it the offense?
Speaker 3 (21:40):
I think that there's a little bit of truth to that.
Gino is it? I mean, we saw it full display
interception in the end zone. It's got thirteen of them
this season. Thirteen interceptions that is in the end zone.
That would be way a lot, a whole bunch of them.
But I think we saw what the difference is between
Gino Smith and Sam Howell, who really couldn't do much
(22:01):
on Sunday night. I know he didn't get the practice
all week, but still I do think that there are
limitations with Geno Smith, But for right now, I don't
think that he is their biggest issue. Their line, I
think is the biggest issue of all.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
All right, that's buyer's remorse Stut gott Lieb Show here
on Fox Sports Radio and le Let's talk with a
Pro Football Hall of Famer. Brian Dawkins joins us on
The Doug gott Lieb Show. And he's here on behalf
of Beringer and Lily. We'll get to the take two
health initiative in a second, but Brian, first, how are you.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
I'm I'm absolutely blessed, absolutely blessed, cantraplain, not even a
little bit.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Okay, I'm fascinated by so many things going on in
the Nation Football League that you, I think have a
better grip on than anybody because obviously you've lived it
and you know it so well. All right, let's get
to the kind of brass tacks with the Philadelphia Eagles.
It's a team that on the field really successful and
yet you know, Jalen Hurts is wide receiving corps.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Are they getting long?
Speaker 4 (23:04):
Then?
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Jalen Hurts with a pretty good answer this this past weekend,
what's the state of the Eagles union from your perspective?
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Yeah, if if, if last weekend's game, after last week's
bananigans and conversations, or any indication that they're they're trending
in the right direction, They're going in the right direction
as far as that is concerned, I personally, I'm I'm
I'm a huge fan of having to fix problems throughout
(23:35):
the year. Yeah, I would p I would rather a
team that is having success have issues and still be
having you know, things that could be pointed out that
you don't get completely totally comfortable, like you're just blowing
everybody out to me that you know that team can
easily have some places he's set in and that complacency
(23:56):
can get you kicked out in the first round in
the playoffs, and so they're having to dig through issues.
And also, I still believe that this is a young
core team, to be honest with you, and they're they're
they're still building a foundation of who they are as
far as the chemistry in the hacker room is.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Yeah, and then you know you have Nick Sirianni getting
into it with one of his defensive linemen as well.
There are some places where confrontation works, right, it just does.
Is this a place where you can actually be good
despite the fact there's confrontation between coaching player and player
and player?
Speaker 4 (24:32):
You know what, It's funny to me, though, It's funny
to me that we are having these type of conversations
about coaches having confrontations with players and this is the
same city that had Buddy Ryan in it. Sure, Like,
are you serious do y'all do y'all not remember, but
Buddy Ryan chewing out guys and them kind of getting
in each other's face sometime, and there's more than just
(24:53):
from time to time. It would be like almost a
WHO team like. So those things I'm not and I'm
not sitting here telling you that that that's I would
love to continue to happen. But my point is that
it happens. But if you when you have you have love,
and you have accountability in the locker room, then those
things don't turn intop anything else. Then at some point
the other person calm both top parties calming down and
(25:16):
basically saying my bad, and and you move on and
get better.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
You do you move on and get better.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Let's uh, let's get to the rest of the league
or maybe even the important teams in that league. What's
your thoughts on brock party. You know, right now the
Niners are in last place. Obviously, there's been a ton
of injuries on that team, some age, a little bit dysfunction.
But there was talk a couple weeks ago over the
Niners making him a sixty million dollars a year quarterback.
(25:43):
If you're running the Niners, how do you handle brock party.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Has Rock Purty gotten that team to the playoffs?
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Think this year?
Speaker 4 (25:54):
No? In the past, yes, No, I'm throwing the past.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
Has has his played literally screamed that. Wow, there's something
about him.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Look, I think he's good. I just if you pay
him top of the league money, then something's gonna fall short.
And when he hasn't had everything all his weapons there, No,
he hasn't been at that level.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
So woo.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
So you're just gonna roll the dice and hopefully you
get a quarterback that's as capable as him, as early
as you as he is, I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Again, Like it's the he does have another year. You
can buy time, you know, there's always and people are always.
You can't use the franchise sad of course you can.
But there's there's a difference between not wanting him and
not wanting to spend sixty million a year on him.
That's there, I think, Laza.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
Up, here's the delimber. Here's the dilemma that the front
office will be in though. If you don't give him
the money now, the next year he could absolutely kill
it and now you're going to be probably paying him
seventy million dollars, eighty million dollars. You never over a
quarterback market apart. The quarterback market is outpacing everybody by
a tremendous pace, but you never know where that number
(27:07):
is going to be. So are you willing to then
wait that out? Are you willing to wait that out?
Speaker 6 (27:11):
Go right ahead?
Speaker 4 (27:12):
But to me, the smart money is as you put
you lock that cat down and hopefully push it out
as long as you can, as far as not having
too much hit the cap, so that you can go
out and get those players or keep those players and
not have have to get rid of so many guys,
like so many teams that don't don't do the cat
well have to then go out and cut a whole
(27:35):
bunch of guys because they front loaded a gay quarterbacks
so much money that it hurts the hurts the whole team.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Yeah, I am.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
I'm also interested in your thoughts in the Lions. Obviously,
Dan Campbell, who's frankly one of your contemporaries when you
were a great player in the league.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
He was a tight end in the league.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
He surrounds himself with the coaching staff of guys that
played in your era as well and they've had incredible
energy and they're up to twelve and two record. But
it took some chances last year against San Francisco, and
then this past weekend again took a chance for then
early on side kick early start the fourth quarter because frankly,
they couldn't stop the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
They had continued injuries. Lose your running back this week.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
But I guess my question to you is do you
think that Dan Campbell's style will ultimately allow them to
win a Super Bowl?
Speaker 4 (28:22):
If you hitting, if he's hitting all of his threes.
What I mean by that is you'd live by the three.
You die by the three. So if you're hitting all
your three pointers in the in the in the NBA,
and you're gonna kill everybody, but wait, you're not. He
gonna die by that thing for me. So he's extremely aggressive.
He's gonna take those chances. And if he's killing it,
(28:44):
and if he gets all of those, if he gets
to the on side kick, nobody's talking about it. If
they make those field goal or they go for and
they make those third down, yeah yeah, and again forty
nine ers, nobody's really talking about it. So it just
depends on where he lies with that. I personally I'm
not someone as quite aggressive as he is, but that's
(29:07):
him and Detroit. You if you're listening, that's your coach.
So again, do you wanna need to live by a
three or dive by of three?
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Brian Dawkins, Pro Football Hall Famer joining us Doug Gotlieb
show Fox Sports Radio. We mentioned Bringer and Lily, they're
part of this. It takes to campaign with the upcoming
Rose Bowl Parade. Take me through the campaign. Why it's
important to you?
Speaker 4 (29:31):
Yeah, it's not just important, like it's extremely important to me.
You know. One of the things that I've in my
life as an athlete, have come to understand is the
importance of being proactive, right, being extremely proactive. And obviously
you're going to be reactive to things at different times,
but as much as possible, I want to be proactive,
and that's what play on the field, but also my
(29:52):
health right. And so once I caught when it takes
two initiative and not just the initiative, but why why
they call it it takes two. It takes you and
your doctor, and it takes two tests to see if
you could be going down the path of either either
having kidney disease or developing it in the future. And
(30:15):
that's if you have type two diabetes and you have
high blood pleasures. And so it hits home for me
because my mom and my dad both both have type
two diabetes and both of them have struggle from time
to time up and down with their blood pressure, and
so that is something that is concerning to me. So
why got out of information. I face it to them
(30:36):
their caregivers, and they have to test. My father has
had to test. My mom is yet to have it.
On our next physical she will but again we're in
the know when it comes to that. And the number
is staggering, like thirty five million adults are living with
kidney disease and yet only ninety percent or ninety percent
shumans don't know that they have it. And so like
we're in the population now that is getting the test
(30:58):
so that again we can know if they have it
or not. And it's so me being blessed to now
have the platform to team up to scream it from
stream it from the float. Right at the Rose they
parade the help individuals once again for those in your household, yes,
(31:18):
your parents absolutely, but also your aunts, your uncles, your friends.
If they fall into these categories, if they then get
the same tests and then they going down the journey
that they go now find out that they're in that
that in the hab it or could have it, then
they can then get on the same face with their
(31:39):
doctor to make sure that they're they are here and
they're here healthier longer.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Brian, where can where can people learn more?
Speaker 4 (31:48):
Test your kidneys dot com. That's your kidneys with a
s dot com.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Test your kidneys dot com. He's a Pro Football Hall
of Famer. You'll see him on that float during the
Rose Bowl Parade. He's one of the Brian Dawkins Me,
thanks so much for joining us. Really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Merry Christmas to you, fell God bless your brother.
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a lot of different ways in which you could go
with this. I just I was watching the Minnesota Vikings
and yeah, part of me wants to take a victory
lap right where I'm I've been a Sam Donald guy.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
I mean you even go back and I said this.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Last year or was it two years ago, when h
brockperty was hurt, Sam Donald was star ar I was like, man,
I think Sam Donald gives you a better chance to
win in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Now the Niners end up going to Super Bowl. I
guess I look like a dope.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
But it wasn't like their offense was great and then
couldn't do anything in the Super Bowl, right, And my
point is that Donald has more pure God given talent tangibles,
if you will, than brock Purty. I think brock Purty
has all the intangibles you could ever want. But there
is a certain point to which you're like, you need tangibles,
(33:30):
not just intangibles. It doesn't mean that it's just the biggest, fastest, strongest,
is the best. There's a continuum, right, tangibles and intangibles
on each side, and you want to lean to the
side of intangibles. But when there's not enough tangibles, well
you end up having miss throws, and guys seem to
(33:50):
be able to sit on some of the routes and
make you throw outside the numbers deep down the field.
I said it because I've always been a believer in
Donald the leader, the athlete, the competitor. But if we're honest,
he wasn't very good with the Jets. His first three
games the Carolina Panthers, they were three and zero.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Then they fell apart. Now that the subsequent collapse.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Went along with went along with Christian McCaffrey getting hurt.
As soon as Christian McCaffrey got hurt and they started
playing better teams, he didn't play as well, and he
was out of a job. He's with the Niners as
their backup comes to the Vikings, and it was supposed
to be, you know, he'd be the placeholder until JJ McCarthy.
JJ McCarthy gets hurt in the preseason, and it's Sam's job.
(34:38):
He didn't have to look over his shoulder. He's having
an unbelievable year. And so the question is, was I
right all along when I thought he could be an
elite quarterback? Or is this simply a one year He's
got an incredible wide receiver in Justin Jeffsin Jefferson and
plays for Kevin O'Connell. Really has great feel for offensive football,
playing for the right coach, playing indoors, playing with right quarterback,
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playing with a good running back, playing with a good team.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
They make him look far better than he is. Which
is it? And my answer is yes.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Obviously, all the learning that he's had to do during
his time in the NFL has made him better because
of it. It's just made him better. I think that's
part of it. I think he's always had talent. I
also think the Jets were a mess. I think the
(35:31):
Panthers were a bit of a mess, and the Niners
would have been a dream scenario. But by that time
he had earned the right to be a backup. Also,
when you lose or you lose your job, you lose
your confidence. If you don't have supreme self confidence, you
have no chance. And this is obviously the best that
(35:52):
he's played. I do think it's sustainable, especially in this system,
that Shanne Hand system that he knows really well.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
When he's got good players around him.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
I still don't think I was I was, I was
wrong when he was bad and he's with the Jets.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
I'm not sure anyone could.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Have been good with those Jets teams. But he wasn't
that bad and he couldn't lift him up byer you've
been You know, you watched the NFL for as long
as I have. You studied every Sunday. Obviously when you're
watching it as you're doing Fox. You're a Fox Sports
radio show? Am I now right? Was I wrong that
I'm right? As he simply improved? What's your read on
(36:33):
the same litle thing. I think it's fascinating.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
I'm going to use a Jason Stewart passion, uh sort
of thing, like I would cash in my chips, I
would walk away from the table. I'd take what I
have and I'd go home with it. Would I would
take what I've earned, Because Doug, I think that a
lot of the points that you stuck by during his
highs and lows and really his year of training in
(37:00):
San Francisco, if you will, And I think that was
actually the time where you really stood up for him.
Was I think that he's still got something. He didn't
actually play bad in Carolina. It was just such a
crazy scenario because Baker Mayfield was there, like and then
in the second time and the second half of that
what would have been the twenty twenty two season.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
I forgot that Baker. You brought Baker in there too.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
Yeah, so you know, Baker started there and it was
just because Darnald was there first, and then the Panthers
brought in Baker, and Baker that ended up being the
starter from week one. Then when they ended up releasing Baker,
Donald took over and wasn't awful awful. So he goes
to San Francisco and has that year off and now
is proving his worth. I would cash in the chips
(37:45):
now just for the fact of it isn't a guarantee
that he sticks around, and I think that he has
benefited from coaching and the coaching that he's got over
the last two years, and you don't know if that's
going to happen in twenty twenty five. So when you
say cashing.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Your chips, you're saying he should cash in his chips.
They should cash in their chips. Who should catch in
these chips?
Speaker 3 (38:05):
I don't think that you should hold stock to be like,
just wait for more from Sam Donald. I think that
this would be a good spot to say my point
was proven he was a better quarterback then people wanted
to give him credit for. And look what he's doing
in Minnesota, because I don't know if he would go
somewhere else and have the same success that he's having
(38:25):
in Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
If I'm advising Sam Donald, Okay, I would say, Hey,
whatever the most I can get in Minnesota, that's what
I go get, not out of some sort of you
gave me a shot when everybody didn't, because the reality
is that they whatever shot they gave him, he was
going to be a placeholder for JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Right.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Yeah, But you're like, look it fits here, it works here.
I know the system, I know the coach, I know
all the guys. Whatever is the most I can make,
upsetting the apple cart the least.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
That's what I do.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
And so if you get offered thirty somewhere else, do
you only get offered twenty Minnesota? Like I take the twenty,
I really do. And look, I would understand if you
take the thirty. It's ten million dollars difference between the two.
But there's a massive difference between playing and sitting and
you go to the wrong place and it all falls
apart and they go to young guy and you're gonna sit.
(39:22):
So I just that's what I would do whatever I
could to push the envelope within reason, but to set
myself up for long term success in Minnesota. What's crazy
about Minnesota is go and look at how many reclamation
projects they have had. You know, Randall Cunningham was one,
(39:43):
Dante Culpepper.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Was well, don Die Colpepper. They drafted right, I.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Think hopever they drafted Sorry, he went to Miami was
hist They tried to rehab him. Randall Cunningham, case Keenum
was one. Brett Favre was one, right. Brett Farvtck fell
apart with the Jets when he heard his he heard
his bicep right, so you kind of look who is
there called Kirk Cousins was one. It wasn't a rehab project,
(40:08):
but he was in Washington and they got him as
a free agent. But my point is they've been the
second or third spot for a lot of guys, and
by and large, many of them have had success there
and haven't had it elsewhere.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
I wouldn't put Cousins in that that rehab era, but
I would say that Cousins play his best football with Minnesota,
as we're seeing now with Atlanta not being there and
this time in Washington he was. He did play his
best football with the Vikings.
Speaker 5 (40:35):
Jay Stoo, I agree with everything you guys had just said.
I really enjoyed the banter. I did want to add
this two months ago, and this might be my favorite
part of Sam darnold number. Two months ago, amid the
Bryce Young demotion, it became like a trendy topic in
(40:56):
the debate shows and radio. You know, organizations letting down
their players. It was such a gen z tick. I
could take all the accountability off the player, it's the organization.
And they cornered Sam Darnold on it one day, and
I love his answer here.
Speaker 4 (41:12):
O'Connell and Quasi.
Speaker 8 (41:13):
I have said several times here, I think this year
is and when they were looking at any quarterbacks and
so forth, that more often than not, organizations failed young
quarterbacks more than quarterbacks would failed the organizations.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Do you feel the Jets failed you in any way?
Speaker 3 (41:28):
No?
Speaker 2 (41:29):
I think you know, I had a lot of opportunities
in New York, and I always felt like I could
have played better there.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
Boom accountability.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
Yeah, now, but you do you learn. Okay.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
So here's the guys, the second chance guys there, Okay,
Kirk Cousins, I'll give it to you.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
He was a free agent. He signed.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
He was a high price free agent. Warren Moon, Hey,
Warren Moon, Farv Randall Cunningham, Sam Bradford right, Sam Bradford,
case Keenum. Gus Faratt had one really good year there.
Remember Gus Faratt was originally with the Redskins. Jeff George
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was eight and two as a Viking starting quarterback. Matt
Castle didn't have a bunch of success. Jim McMahon was
actually the quarterback of the Vikings and went eight and four.
But that's a yeah, that's in nine, nineteen ninety three,
by the way, Jim McMahon late in the Jim McMann era.
(42:32):
So they've had this weird thing where they've had guys
who have been you know, it's been their last stop
or whatever, and they've actually been better. I don't know
what it's because of playing indoors, whatever, but they actually have
had a bunch of guys that have had one last
opportunity or an opportunity there, and it's some of their
most successful quarterbacks, Not fran Tarkenton, not Tommy Kramer. I
(42:54):
agree with you, Dan, not Kirk Cousins, that'd be a miscast.
Not Dante Calpepper, Wade Wilson, but.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
Some of the others.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
So if it's me, I would say exactly what Sam
Donald's say, I just could have played better football, and
then understanding I'm playing good football. And is it all
the coaching staff, No? Is it all the support the
sporting players, No? Is it all playing in a dome?
Speaker 4 (43:22):
No?
Speaker 1 (43:22):
But it's working, and some of it's me. And maybe
even if it's a mind trick of me believing I
need to be in Minnesota to be successful, I will
live out that mind trick.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Very curious to see how Donald also handle those tight
game situations, which you very likely could get in the playoffs,
because Kirk Cousins, for as good as he was from Minnesota,
those late game scenarios, dumping the ball off, not being
able to throw the ball on a fourth down and
all those things also come into play. So if Donald
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can just do that and add a new wrinkle, I
think Minnesota Vikings fans would be would be happy throwing
a fourth down pass past the sticks late in the
game if you need it,
Host
Doug Gottlieb
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