January 15, 2025 • 46 mins
On this edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug talks about the Cowboys' search for head coach and reacts to Micah Parsons about a "complete reset".
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all right, So the cowboy jobs still open, and it's
a good time to discuss it. You know, there's so
many things going on that are like kind of what
you'd say, are Jase, would you say B level sort
of topics? Right? Like we look for like what do
you start a show with a on a Wednesday when
(01:11):
we're leading up to playoff games? He can't like break
down a playoff game today? Like that seems like weird
and reacting to last weekend's playoff games seems dated. So
midweek there's you know, Raiders jobs open, Bears jobs still open,
Jet's job still open, Cowboy jobs open, and that one's interesting, right.
(01:35):
The Cowboys interviewed Robert Salah to be for his head
coaching job. It's fascinating. Mike McCarthy, who remember, was going
to meet with the Bears or the Bears want to
meet with him, only the Cowboys blocked him for meeting
with the Bears. I've been told again a lot of
interest there with Mike McCarthy and the Bears, which would
make sense, right. The Bears are forever, I don't know, jealous, envious,
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or in competition with the Packers. And McCarthy was there
with Aaron Rodgers. He won a Super Bowl there. He
did a good job in Dallas with Dak Prescott. They
have their own young quarterback. Want to put him in
a West Coast system and he's had some success. Is
he the world's greatest coach now? But when you go
from Matt Eberfluss, who was a defensive minded guy who'd
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never been a head coach before, you want a guy
who's offensive minded and has been a head coach before.
I think the only option there is McCarthy. Doesn't mean
that's who they go with, but that's a very strong possibility.
Here's Michaeh. Parsons, who of course played for McCarthy, on
his podcast, talking about his former coach.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
It is devastating, you know, coach. Mike's a great father coach,
one of the most winning coaches, and you know he's
always been good to us as a unit, us to
the coaches players. So, you know, losing a great coach
like Mike Hurtz. But it's going to be very interesting offseasons.
You know, it's going to be very interesting, you know,
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to the free agents, to coaching. It's like, you know,
it's going to be a complete reset. So it's going
to be a very interesting and challenging offseason. But listen,
I already know I trust my owner, I trust our GM,
I trust Will McClay that we're going to make the
right decisions.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Yeah, he spent exactly two seconds of a pause on
Mike McCarthy. Did you notice that, Jay stew So, Yeah,
it really sucks, but anyway, we're on.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
So I like that he said that this was a
reset twice. Do you think Jerry Jones thinks this offseason
as a reset?
Speaker 1 (03:41):
All depends on what you think of the word reset means.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Just by the one then the definition like the in
the dictionary.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Well yeah, but there's multiple definitions of it. You can
do a reset within Hey, we're going to different offense coordinator,
different defensive coordinator. Reset, go again. You think of reset
as starting over, like truly starting over.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Yep, Yeah, that's what I think it means.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
I don't think that's what Micah Parsons thinks it means.
I don't think I understand what you're you're getting at
the very literal definition of it. But I think because
if it was a true reset, it would be trade
Micah Parsons trade, CD LAMB trade, everybody start completely over,
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and I don't think that's I think I would guess
that the Cowboy's gonna hire somebody they think can win immediately,
and that's not a reset, not a reset. That's that's
my take on it. Because remember when you when you
google a matter of fact, I'll do it while you
you can find way to kill time. If you just
say reset, there are multiple meanings of it.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
It's going to be very interesting off Caesons. You know
it's gonna be very interesting, you know, due to the
free agents, the coaching. It's like, you know, it's going
be a complete reset. So it's going to be a
very interesting and challenging off season. But listen, I already know.
I trust my owner, I trust our GM, I trust
Will Maclay that we're gonna make the right decisions.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
So the definition is an act or instance of setting again,
an acted instance of setting adjusting or fixing something in
a new and different way that is not necessarily means
starting over or starting from scratch. Right, Fixing and adjusting
is not starting over, it's fixing adjusting. So I take
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him at his word, I actually think, but I also
think that Michael Parsons is repeating what he's heard. Hey,
this is just a chance of the reset challenging off season,
and Parsons, much like some politicians, he struggles the most
or causes the most. Start when he goes off script
and says what he thinks, and sometimes it contradicts itself right,
and then he doesn't sound as bright a guy as
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he actually is. So I think of it more by
the possibility of adjusting or fixing that I do of
starting over, which I think you think of reset as
completely starting over? Do you not buyer? What do you think?
Speaker 4 (06:14):
I think this is a classic case of reset versus rebuild,
and I believe that rebuild is a four letter word
in the halls of the Dallas Cowboys and Jerry Jones,
who has made it no secret that he wants another
Super Bowl before he dies, and is admitted, Hey, I
(06:37):
have tons of time here on this earth, so I'd
want to get this done. That's one point of it,
Jerry Jones, rebuild could take too long. Reset is the
way to go. But the other tricky thing about it,
and why I do believe that Micah Parsons has, as
you guys correctly stated, heard this throughout the hallways, is
if it's a rebuild, that means that Jerry Jones and
(07:00):
his front office did wrong. Yeah, and Jerry Jones would
never admit that they did wrong. So a reset is
just saying, Okay, some thing's kind of got off track here.
Let's just reset because what we're doing is fine. How
I operate is the right way to do it, This
is a good way to do it. Let's reset because
we're not going to rebuild and they wouldn't even go
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through the notion of rebuilding and tearing down because again,
Jerry doesn't have the time and Jerry doesn't have his
egos too big to realize that he did something wrong.
So everything, no matter how bad they are with the Cowboys,
will be a reset. And it's probably a true reason
why they have not been to the super Bowl in
thirty years, because they haven't figured out a way to
rebuild or do anything.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
So let's go back to my original question for both
of you. Now, do you think Jerry Jones would be
happy with his best player calling it a quote complete reset.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
I think that's exactly what he was told, so yes,
and I think his defense would be exactly what Dan's
defense of it is. We said reset, we didn't say rebuild.
Reset is an adjustment and fixing. Rebuild is starting over.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Rebuild is also a plan didn't previously work, so we
got to do something different. We got to rebuild. This
reset is tay, No, We've got everything's don't worry. House
is in order. I'm just going to reset here a
little bit. I wouldn't doubt if Michah Parsons added complete
on his own in saying it where maybe reset, and
then Parsons is looking at it, well, we don't have
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a head coach. We've lost our entire staff under him.
Obviously there's going to be a new staff. I wouldn't
doubt if Michah Parsons and I'm just guessing here added
the complete reset. But I do think that reset is
a word that they have said in the hallways because
rebuild would rebuilds a four letter word with the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
No question, so four letter word with a lot of people, right,
because it's admitting this is done, and you can't have
a rebuild if you have the same quarter He just can't.
That's the other part to it. He can't have a
rebuild if you have the same quarterback and same star
player on defense. Like, that's not that's not something you
(09:12):
rebuild around. That's that's my belief. Jay sud Do you
do you agree with Mike take now? Are you still
on the stance of what he means is completely starting
over whether he knows, whether he knows.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
It or not, Yeah, I think this is the difference.
I guess in the way I see this, I think
Michael Parsons think's complete reset is a startover. I think
he thinks that. I think you and Dan have laid
out maybe what the maybe the football vernacular typically is,
and that is differently than a rebuild. But the point
(09:47):
that I was eventually getting to is, Wow, what a
difference a year makes. It was all in a year ago,
now it's complete reset.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Yeah. Yeah, again, Again, these are just terms. It's a
lot like and you've picked apart the all in thing
all year long, right, that's kind of been your thing, Like,
I'm gonna just pick this thing apart, and you're right
to do so. But part of it is your belief
in what the word all in is. Where in the
hallways of the Cowboys they're saying all in, and it
(10:23):
means something completely different than what you're going by the
basic definition of am I making sense?
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Yes, which is put all your chips in the middle,
spare no expense. He chose not to.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Yeah, I think I truly think that they're all in
is they're like, if it doesn't work, dudes are getting fired.
And that's what they did with Mike McCarthy. That's what
I think they think all in means. It doesn't mean
spare no expense, which is to your point, what the
true definition of all the actually is regards of which
(11:03):
it's going to be fascinating to see exactly what they
do because it has it clearly has nothing to do
with what the Cowboys say. It's what the Cowboys do.
I think that the Dion conversation, though cute and clever,
doesn't work because Dion said he wants to coach his son,
and his son can't be a Cowboy because they can't
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take one hundred and six million dollars cap hit on
a quarterback that won't play for the Cowboys. So I
think it's gonna be somebody other than Dion. I just
don't know who. I got no idea who.
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Show on Fox Sports Radio. Before we get to on
the field, let me start with off the field. What's
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your reaction to the Dallas job that just came opened,
going back two days ago.
Speaker 6 (12:53):
Well, I find it fascinating. I mean, from the Mike
McCarthy side of things, it feels like he must be,
you know, somewhat confident that he could land one of
these other jobs, because you just don't walk away from
one of the thirty two unless you feel pretty good
about something else being available. And it feels like if
they would have, you know, if he would have lowered
(13:14):
his contract expectations that he would have stayed on there.
At least that's what it seems like from the outside,
and then from the Dallas side of things, it just
kind of shows a lack of planning or foresight to
be able to, you know, wait until this point in
the process. They can still you know, get some candidates
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in there, but man, you're starting behind all the other
teams out there looking It doesn't seem like the smartest
way to do business. But now I'm fascinated to see
what it is. I know, you know, people talking about
you know, Dion and would that end up happening. I
just I was trying to think of the last time,
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and you tell me if you can remember what was
the last time that the Cowboys made a splash move.
You got to go back to times when like Dion
was playing there. Like they just haven't. They haven't operated
that way. And you know, people will steer eyes that
that's because Jerry doesn't want anybody to outshine him. But
they haven't made the splash moves with players, and they
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haven't done with coaches.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
No, No, they have not. Stug Gottlieb Show here on
Fox Sports Radio, that's the voice of Daniel Jeremiah. I've
heard McCarthy to the Bears. What have you heard?
Speaker 6 (14:30):
I think if Ben Johnson wants the Bears, it's it
would be his job, I would guess from the outside.
But you know, maybe that's not realistic. Maybe he doesn't
want to go inside the division and he lands elsewhere.
But McCarthy would make a lot of sense there as
an offensive minded, experienced coach who's won, you know, for
(14:51):
all the criticism that may come his way, and maybe
a couple of most seasons games, the guy racks up
double digit wins seasons, he's got a Super Bowl, he's
won two different locations, and they've you know, you could
easily see the upgrade offensively with what he would bring
versus where they've been. So I think that one would
(15:11):
make a lot of sense.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, let's
get on the field. Let's start with Justin Herbert. You
and I haven't haven't talked since since Justter Herbert you
called his games for people don't know DJ in addition
to move the sticks. In addition, who's work at the
NFL network. He's the analyst for the LA Chargers radio network.
(15:37):
What went so wrong for the Chargers in their playoff loss.
Speaker 6 (15:42):
They had a chance to kind of deliver a knockout
punch early in the game, and it was a couple
of crucial mistakes. You look at at the two plays
to me that decided that game, or that changed the
entire game was you have the Dean Letard interception. Right
after that, you're up six nothing, You're at the forty
going in all the momentum in the world. You think,
(16:03):
with Cameron Dicker you might already even be in field
will range, but another five yards and that's a lock,
and you're looking at a nine to nothing game with
maybe even a chance to go down and score make
it a thirteen to nothing game. And then the very
first play after that interception, they call a shot play
on a backside throwback to Quinton Johnson. It's not there
and instead of just throwing the ball away justin tries
(16:25):
to force it to get interception. That was the first one.
Then the second play obviously the third and sixteen with CJ.
Stroud making a play on a fumbled snap and scooping
it up and getting them out to midfield, and that
got him on track. They got their offense on track.
But those two plays to me were the pivotal plays.
And then when it comes to Justin, Look, he didn't
(16:48):
play well. He didn't have a good game. He did
not play well. You know, one ball clanks off Disley's hands.
The pass protection was not good, particularly along the interior.
You got a lot of quicksure's inside. But to me,
the the you know, the personnel is going to get better.
He's I mean, I think that was more of a
(17:09):
one off for him in terms of the poor performance.
But I do think that you know, now he's got
two games of playoff experience, he's gonna you know, I
think I'm hoping he's learning that you're gonna have to
use your legs. It's all hands on deck to do
whatever you have to do to win a game and
make plays. That the fact that he didn't crush the
football I think.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Was a mistake, Yeah, which he had been doing all year,
especially in this system. Okay, but there's and I don't
know where the energy, the anti Herbert energy comes from.
But he doesn't play well, they lose, and it's like, oh,
we got to have a discussion about Justin Herbert. Like
you watched every game this year, you understand the personnel
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and what they're asking of him. If you were to
say one to ten in totality of even counting the
playoff game as the worst performance of the year, I
don't know if that's the worst performance of the year.
What type of year do you have? One to ten.
Speaker 6 (18:09):
I thought Justin had an eat, Yeah, I could, you know,
that's what I would put it. Considering who he's working with.
You had one one, you know receiver in mcconkeie, who's
going to be a star. You saw that with him
almost putting up two hundred yards in the playoff his
first playoff team. He's an outstanding But you don't really
have a strong number two receiver. You don't have a
number one pass catching tight end. You've got Will Disley
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as your tight end, who's been, you know, been a
great blocker his whole career, but he was being relied
on to be the main target in this offense. That's
not who he is. You've got you know running back
in JK. Dobbins, who's you know, runs really hard, but
he missed time. You don't really have a super dynamic
home run hitting back, and you have an interior three
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of the offensive line that's not not, you know, championship level.
So the good news for Herbert and the Chargers, Doug,
is that the I joked with Joe Org he's a
general manager. I said, you guys have been able to
shop at the hardware store and get all that stuff.
I said, this year, you get to shop at the
toy store. You got to go out and get some
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weapons and some toys for your quarterback. And I think
those things are cheaper, and they're easier to find than
left tackles, you know, and obviously the quarterback himself. They've
got the toughest things to find already in place.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Yeah, I'm in less insightful and more condensed fashion. Basically,
that's what I said. I just I don't know where
the anti Herbert thing comes from. I really don't. It's
a weird one. He's so inoffensive. I think the only
thing I can think of, DJ is most people don't
watch full games unless they're standalone games, and the Chargers
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didn't play many, if any, standalone games, and so this
is their only tidbit of watching and they're told, man,
he's really good, and then he doesn't play as well.
They think they're being lied to all year because people
like want to make a message. The only thing I
can think.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
Of, well, I think he's I think there's also this negativity,
not just towards Herbert, but to the Chargers. I mean,
everybody talks about chargering and blowing games and overrated and
you know, high expectations always coming underneath those expectations. That's
been you know what the kind of anti Charger crowd
has had forever as they're as their calling card, and
(20:27):
I think they've they've you know, kind of placed Herbert
within that criticism. And it's like, look, man, this is
this is the ground floor. This is year one of
a new coaching staff. Do everything, this is this is
a good year man, double digit wins, you got into
the postseason, and I can make a strong argument without
having seen one move I can. I can guarantee you,
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I'll stamp it that this roster will be vastly improved
next year around justin Herbert.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Okay, let's let's get to a couple the other playoff
stinkers I texted with. We didn't have him on Danie Rolofski.
He said, by his estimation, ninety percent of the breakdowns
in the Vikings offense were not of his doing offensive
line he thought was the biggest. We've had others that
(21:17):
have told us, hey, play calling wasn't good either. What
were your thoughts on what led Sam Darnold to have
such a stinker in his playoff performance.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
Well, I mean it really it's kind of the last
couple of weeks, right, you know, he did unfortunately for
Sam has played his worst two games now. The offensive
line got overmatched and overwhelmed in both games. But I
think there's no there's no perfect players. Everybody has their kryptonite.
And I think with Sam, when he gets hit like
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that early, unfortunately, it just speeds up his clock and
you think, okay, we took all these sacks. He must
be slowing down. You know, he must not be seeing
things clearly, he must be playing slowly. The exact opposite,
he's playing too fast. You know, he got hit, he
got pressured, and then he's getting off one to two
to three, and he's just everything just moved way too
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quick for him. And that was some some things that
had happened, you know, early in his career when he
wasn't playing well, and this year he played great for
the majority of the season until these last two games
and I think it's unrealistic, Doug, that you have, you know,
five plus years of some some bad habits due to
(22:30):
what you're playing with, uh, that you're going to eliminate
all of that in one one year as a starter
in their first year playing at a competent you know,
offense with with competent support. He had, he had two
clunkers at the end of the year. I'm I don't
think I don't think you can absolve him with any
of that blame, but I also think you have to
step back and look at it on the hole and say,
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this is a pretty dark, big step for him in
his career.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Okay, so a lot of people are making the case
that Kevin O'Connell's, his comments, his some of the words
you use were almost in past tense form, right, like, Hey,
do you think there's a general understanding that he won't
be back.
Speaker 6 (23:16):
I don't think so, But I mean, I think it's
just it's tough when you've had the year that they've
had and then for the end in kind of a
crash and burn fashion, that you'd be tempted to say, Okay, well,
we've got this other guy who we really liked, who's
really talented. We haven't seen him yet, and maybe that's
the solved you know, maybe that solved the problems that
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that popped up here. I think that's a natural human nature,
you know that, oh maybe this guy. Maybe that's that's
an easy one. This is just a quick fix. We
swapped him out, swapped JJ McCarthy in, and all our
problems are solved. I think that's, you know, that's the
immediate reaction would be would be an easy one. But
I think at the end of the season you need
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to remove yourself from the emotion and give it, you know,
a week to ten days before you start making any
strong you know, sways and opinion on which way they're
going to go at the quarterback position. I think that
would be dumb to do that at this point in time.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Stull Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Daniel Jeremiah
is our guest. Pittsburgh Steelers collapse of that put proportions
down down the stretch. I will I'll just give you
my opinion. You can say, listen, you know what you're
talking about. It's I think the offense was so limited,
so limited with Russell that I think that hurt their
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defensive energy. You know, it just did like I thought
Herbstreet's comments were right, like it looked like they were
they were dead before they were actually dead in the field.
And I think it just comes from that we can't
score here, like what do we what are we doing?
Some people think it's Tomlin's message has gone stale? What
do you think?
Speaker 6 (25:00):
I think they don't have them. I don't think they
have a championship quarterback. I think that's obvious. I think
that it is deflating to the defense. I mean I
saw it in the Charger game, you know, and your
defense is constantly just going right back out there, and
especially if you're playing against a team that's physical, get
that gets old real quick. And then so you've got
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that side of it. I also think if you're Mike
Tomlin and I've been out there for a training camps,
I've probably seen just about every team you know in
training camp over the years. With NFL Network duties, it's
as physical and grueling and grinding of a training camp
as you're ever.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Going to see.
Speaker 6 (25:39):
And you know, Tom Coughlin had to make that adjustment
when he was with the Giants. He had to back off,
he had to change his ways because his team was
run out of gas at the end of the season.
And this has been several years in a row of
that's happening now. I think if you're Mike Tomlin, you
have to take a step back and reevaluate how you're
constructing practices training camp and see if you can't figure
(26:02):
some things out on your end. Why your guys look
so heavy legged and slow at the end of these seasons.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Yeah, well, losing losing games in the practice field to
too much precks and it's a longer season now than
it's ever been with the added seven round game, you know,
with the end and their their season was backloaded with
the more talented teams at the at the end of
the year. Uh okay, last thing, I know, you gotta go,
we gotta go. Aj Brown still seems I mean like
(26:29):
that that group is still not not working together all that. Well,
what are your thoughts on how this thing? But they
they did win and kind of similar to the Packers.
Packers got off to such a poor start. Not sure
you can go back from that in the playoffs. But
what are your thoughts on the dysfunction within the Eagles?
Speaker 6 (26:48):
Well, I think you if you want to go glass
half full. You say, any team that wins a championship
has to survive a clunker, and that was kind of
an offensive clunker for them, and they still won the game.
And you're hoping that that's you know, you just kind
of flush it and then you're you're more consistent and
you can actually throw the ball a little bit in
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the next game. But it wasn't pretty offensively. The other
point from that one, though, is I have all the
playoff games this weekend. You tell me, you know you
watch them as well. I thought Philadelphia, they're the way
they hit people in that game defensively was the most
physical performance of the playoffs, and I don't even think
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it was close. Every other time they hit somebody from
the Packers, they left the game, Doug. I mean, when
Elton Jenkins pulled and Nolan Smith instead of bracing and
trying to hold up, you know, to try and brace
for a pulling guard, Nolan Smith, that two hundred and
thirty eight pounds went right through his chest and knocked
him out of the game. I was like, oh, and
it started from the kickoff, the opening kickoff with that
(27:50):
hit from Warren Burks, Like that was a physical performance
and that works. That plays, especially in the postseason. So
they've got offense they need to figure out. Jalen Hurts.
You know, even Rusty, I don't know what's going on there.
That doesn't look like he's dialed in. But if their
defense is flying around and smacking people like that, they're
gonna They're gonna be in this thing for a little while.
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Daniel Jeremiah moving the sticks to the podcast NFL Network,
LA Chargers Radio Network as well. DJ. We'll talk to
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(29:15):
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he's the color analyst for the Chargers radio network. We'll
ask him about Justin Herbert. A lot of discussion at
least Monday about Herbert's poor performance in the playoffs on
Saturday night. There's a guy who judges players for a living.
We'll get his thoughts on Herbert. Tiger Woods has the
(29:38):
new golf league, which is it's like a simulator golf league.
I will discuss that upcoming. Plus we got the press.
But before we get to any of that, we do
this every Wednesday, Wednesday's day, middle of the week, middle of
the day, middle of the show. We call it the Midway.
He's not getting a little.
Speaker 5 (30:00):
For the midway.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
All right there, Jason Stewart, what's the midway topic today?
Speaker 3 (30:10):
You know what? It's Doug Gottley's birthday today, and.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
Happy happy birthday, you old man.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
I think you mentioned something.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Yes, all right, p Matumba. We have we have Momo
say on our team and Momos say he doesn't have
a Matumbo voice, but definitely has a deeper voice. And
I told everybody that Momo should I need to tell
Momo this. He needs to go third person. I think
he needs He's I don't love people going third person.
(30:41):
I think Momo needs to go third person just again,
like if you're Matumbo, supposed he needs to go third
person all the time. I would love to hear what
momos he said, like momot he say, wants to bull anyway?
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Sorry, go ahead, since it's your birthday today, yep, And
I really do want to. I want to talk about birthdays.
You brought up something last hour too that could be
a part of this conversation, mentioning it in the office,
celebrating it, acknowledging it. I think I think views have
(31:12):
changed over the years on that. And then I want
to know who else was born today. I thought you
mentioned recently that the other famous people were born.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
Today and then Dan.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Dan's birthdays tomorrow, and I want him to share who
was born on that day and just your general thoughts
on this amazing week where two of our you know
integral members of the show are turning a different age.
And then I have I have an offer after you're
done there, to change the traditional birthday song. I think
(31:47):
it's reached a point of cringe. It's no longer fun
or funny for anybody involved, and we need to change it.
And I have the perfect song to play out.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
It's played out. Kiss f N won't play it anymore?
Is that you're doing? I mean, Martin is a goodbye.
Martin Luther King Junior was born on January fifteenth. I
think he stacks just slightly above Matt Holiday and definitely
above me probably, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm fifty next year.
(32:21):
This is my last year at forty nine, which means
I'm actually fifty now, right, isn't it because we don't
count first fiftieth year.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
Yeah, the start of your fiftieth year fifty years old.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Yeah, so I'm forty nine. I don't feel forty nine,
like if I would have said to my ten year
old self, like what does forty nine look like? Like whoa, whoa,
that's old.
Speaker 7 (32:42):
But I don't know you're a forty nine er.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
I am. I'm a today. It's my San Francisco birthday.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
Nothing was. Nothing was faster than thirty to forty for me. Yikes,
and about it forty to I'll be forty eight tomorrow,
So it was. I don't know if it was as quick.
It's been very quick, but to me, the thirty to
forty was just wow.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Come on, Okay, so do you guys we're both Capricorns, right, yes?
Do you ever look at your horoscope?
Speaker 4 (33:15):
I have, yes, I don't do it daily, but at
times I will.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
All right, tell me if this is accurate for you,
because I don't know. I just read this. Social events
and group activities are likely to take up most of
your day. Capricorn. You could come into contact with so
many people you may not be able to keep track
of them all. Get contact information, all the new acquaintances.
You should experience a lot of intellectual stimulation. Conversations take
up most of your energy. This day should be an enjoyable,
(33:41):
but tiring day. Here's what's funny about it. Okay, So
this morning we had a good long coaches meeting, actually
I kind of two hours, talked about a bunch of
stuff because we have three games in six days coming
up starting Friday. And then my boss came in and
he has a tendency to steer the ship off the
main and into the creek a little bit. We got
(34:03):
back on the road. Then they had practice. Okay, that
took a bunch of it. Then I had the show,
and then after the show, a buddy of mine named
Mike Sadoff. He invited me to the Bucks game and
I got court sided for the Bucks tonight against the
Orlando Magic. Orlando Magic are coached by Jamal Moseley. Jamal
Mosley I used to coach in AAU when he played
for my dad's team come out of high school in
(34:25):
San Diego that he played Colorado. Now he's head coach
of the Orlando Magic. We also have a dinner before
the game with kind of some new sort of acquaintances. Anyway,
like I kind of think the horoscope thing is sometimes
it's hit or miss. It's not real, but it kind
(34:45):
of does take up out of my day. There are
a bunch of new people and it's going to be
enjoyable but tiring. It's a good one.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
I will say this on birthdays and to go back
to what Jason said, by the way, my birthday tomorrow,
Albert Pool holes, Joe Flacco the late Aaliyah shaw Day,
Debbie Allen, Ronnie Millsap, Don McClain, the Hoopster, all January
(35:13):
for UCLA, Yes, all January sixteenth birthdays.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Okay, go back through those names, because I'll.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
Give you She from Baywatch David one of my favorite
names ever.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Go back to the first Go back to your first one.
I'm gonna give you my one line.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
And everybody all right, elber pool holes.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Okay, I mean you know, in the conversation of best
hitters of our lifetime.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
Joe Flacco.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Not elite, but but super Bowl champion.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
Aliyah, the late Aliyah of.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Late Aliah right did was she the one who's married
to R Kelly or something?
Speaker 4 (35:47):
Well, they had like a relationship.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
I don't think you can be married if she's fourteen,
Okay that is, but.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
I did have them.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
Okay, there that is the perfect line.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Okay, here we go. Not in this country at least.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
Ronnie Millsap I saw him live.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
He didn't see me, but.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
I knew that was coming. Ronns blind fies.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
I don't know, blind legendary Hall of Fame, blind legendary
cutry Western musician. But I did randomly see him in
do Rant Oklahoma, do rant Oklahoma?
Speaker 4 (36:22):
Uh? Shade, I mean.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
Shade you talking about great r and b artists of
our childhood and.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
Soul right, yeah, even to this day. Yes, Shade Love
songs just this hit after.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Hits no Ordinary Love.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
Yeah, that's my favorite one of think.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
No Ordinary Love a lot better when she sings it.
Speaker 7 (36:48):
I had no idea who Shade was, and I thought
her name was Sadie.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Yes, like the Hawkins dance. Yeah, keep going. You hat
a couple more of than he. I think. I just
want I want to do the Ronnie millsap thing. I
thought that was funny.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
Sorry, that's all right. I've done that before, just for
the punchline you mentioned work. I usually take off for
my birthday, but because of the funky week that it
falls on a Thursday, Sunesday, it's a funky week. It
just falls on a Thursday, I felt that I should
go to work. And that's why I'm taking off on Friday,
because then we'll be in on Monday, which is the
(37:22):
holiday for MLK Day, the observed holiday on Monday. We
will obviously be in for all the reaction from the
crazy weekend of NFL football in the National Championship game
than Monday night. So that's why I'm going to be off.
But I'm actually going to be at work tomorrow, which
I usually I am not to usually take off my birthday
to go celebrate.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Hey, R day guy. You know how you have those
memories on your phone that pop up, you know, Yeah,
it's really interesting. I got one from my daughter, Harper,
where she is like, couldn't be any better, right, in
terms of memories. This is from how many years ago?
Speaker 4 (38:00):
Is this for.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Six eight? The midway alone? I gotta scroll down to
it because deep in there, Oh from twenty sixteen, right,
so my daughter was seven. Oh no, she was ten
at the time. Dear dad, happy birthday. I hope you know.
I wish you could have a day off off of work.
I knew you had a very tight schedule even if
you're at work. I hope you have a great b day.
(38:24):
It'll be great. Harper g like, right, Like there's a
kid who gets it, and it does prove I you
know what, Dan, you should always do that, Dude, always
do it. I haven't done it. I just haven't. I
do a bad job of taking days off, But that's
that's a good tradition to have.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
There is the balance. One time at work, I was
here on a day and there was just for example,
let's just say Jason and Iowa Sam were in the
room because they're here, but this was a different time.
We had a producer. Actually it was Gavin who used
to produce the shit. Gavin Gavin Kinzl, my old roommate.
(39:01):
I had three people in the room wish me happy birthday.
Just oh, you know, somebody would say, Dan, have a
great birthday. I think that's what Ramo said. Somebody else
was in the room like, oh, I didn't know, it's
your birthday. Happy birthday Dan. Somebody else said, yeah, happy birthday.
Gavin refused to to even acknowledge it was my birthday
as he was sitting there on the computer because he
felt he was being bandwagon and jumping on everybody else.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
I could respect that, because I mean, here's the reality, right.
My kids haven't wished me happy birthday yet. Now a
couple buddies from mine just just put it out on IG.
So now I think they're going to bandwagon it, and
I'll get calls this afternoon. I'll be like no, no no,
no no no no no no no no no no
if you didn't text me first thing in the morning.
Now some people they do the Facebook thing, and that's
(39:48):
kind of cheating.
Speaker 7 (39:48):
It still works, Yes, oh I rely on Facebook for
telling me when people's birthdays are.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Oh yeah, I do that all the time.
Speaker 7 (39:54):
Because I just can't remember it outside of my sister
and my parents.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
I mean, I saw I saw Ronnie mills Ha's birthday was.
Speaker 7 (40:02):
Also I do the bandwagon thing on Facebook where someone
will post happy birthday to someone and I'll just comment
underneath with like a sticker like happy birthday, and then
I don't have to make mount posts.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
What do you think about the people with thanks so
much for all the birthday wishes? That sounds like you're
searching for more birthday wishes.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
Of course, Well when you do it when you're birthday
is six hours old, like and you have eighteen hours
left in the day, like that post has to come
I think there within the next day or yeah, the
next day, or with only two hours remaining in your birthday.
You can't do it morning. You can't do it midday
because then it's just a cheap ask. That's that's all
(40:40):
I view.
Speaker 7 (40:40):
This isn't nom There are rules here.
Speaker 4 (40:42):
There are rules here for this, Okay, what are the rules?
Speaker 7 (40:46):
The rules are you can't with eighteen hours left in
the day say thanks for all the birthday wishes. You
got to wait till the next day or an hour remaining.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
I agree. And by the way, it is okay to
forget people's birthdays, right. It's like so totally. Him is like,
you know what, I just forgot?
Speaker 3 (41:01):
Sorry Sam, days up Vietnam. I was quoting. I think
my views, my views on birthday parties I think haven't
changed since the late sixties, and I can get criticized
for this. I understand. This goes against everything Dan stands for.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
I was at your fiftieth birthday party.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
By the way, yes you were fun. There is I
don't think dudes need to say happy birthday to dudes.
I don't think that taking off worcaus is something that
that is necessary. I think women have taken birthdays and
made such a sham out of it, because women will
(41:44):
extend their birthdays through the weekend and then they'll make
an entire month out of it. I have a friend
of mine whose wife's name is Brooke, and she calls
it October Brooktober, and every single day needs to be
oh her day. Oh, and then kids under twelve can
celebrate birthdays. But after that, I don't know if you
need to. Dan is my witness. October sixteenth came and
(42:06):
went on this show without it being acknowledged Dan because
he's a considerate dude going into the last breaks. Do
you want me to mention it on the air? And
what did I say? No?
Speaker 4 (42:20):
That's correct, right, I.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Will say that, Jason, if we're honest with ourselves, right,
we don't make up the fact that you're kind of
a curmudgeon for most things that are celebrated in life. Right,
that's kind of your It's not even stick. It's legitimately
who you are. So it's not that you're not making
valid points, but we have to take it with a
grain of salt that this is kind of who you are.
(42:42):
So it definitely what are the kids saying that? When
people say now that tracks? Like, yeah, that tracks?
Speaker 3 (42:48):
Yeah you know it's on brand.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
Yeah. I look, I think here's how I think about birthdays.
I think it all depends on you. Right, it's significant
to you. I know people that I know somebody who
hates her birthday, Like, do not mention my birthday? Don't
bring it up. I hate it, and I think it's
because she's just like nobody likes getting older. My thing
(43:11):
on the birthdays after you get to the past twelve
years old, is I do think there's only a couple
of birthdays that really matter, right? Eighteen matters, twenty one matters,
thirty sort of matters, forty, fifty, sixty, whatever.
Speaker 4 (43:23):
Yeah, the day numbers, and then you agree once you get.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
Past like seventy, like everyone's kind of a celebration, like
you're still alive, you know, Like my mom is seventy
nine years old, So seventy eight, nineteen forty six, it's
twenty five. But is she she's forty six. Yeah, she's
seventy nine years old, Like that should be celebrated. Why
could she's still kicking?
Speaker 4 (43:46):
Definitely the next year's birthday too. Yeah, but you say that, Doug,
And I'm gonna say two things. Number One, I vividly
remember when myself, John Ramos and Ron Music chipped in
and we got you a Travis Matthew golf hat for
your birthday and we brought it to work and you
said on the air, do you know what guys? People
downplay it? People say they don't really care what people
(44:08):
think of them. Sometimes it's nice to be thought of
on your birthday, Riscott. I remember that to this day.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
Yes, and I was that's a great point, and I
mean it. I don't need a celebration or fanfare. My
best birthday to date, best birthday to date was I
was gosh, it wasn't It was probably like I was
like probably thirty five. I was et ESPN and we
(44:35):
we invited I think it was three other couples to
dinner and we just had dinner and at the end,
you know, they and again I specifically said, like I'm
not inviting to dinner, so you pick up my dinner, Like,
we're just all going to dinner and have a good
conversation and catch up. Because January very busy time when
(44:56):
I was at ESPN doing radio and doing college basketball.
We had a great dinner. I was like, man, that
was really good. And then people just recognize my birthday.
I don't want any presents. You want to pick up
my tab Great, that's awesome. That's enough. So that's how
I roll do. I like it totally mentioned. I like
my friends to remember it. I always apologize to Dan
because usually I forget it. This year, I made it
a point like I'm not forgeting Dan's birthday, although tomorrow
(45:19):
I'm gonna wake up and be completely lost in thought
and forget. But yeah, that's really what it is. I
just want I just like it when my friends remember
it and somebody just goes, hey, hi, birthday.
Speaker 7 (45:30):
But you just want to have a nice day, you know,
you just want to have a day where without hassles
and you just want to have a good day.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
Okay, So Jay su, let me ask you. What's the
new birthday song? We need to do?
Speaker 3 (45:46):
All right? Real fast? Uh? Change out the current birthday
song that's been going on for a century with this
hit from the eighties from Alter Images. It's got an
edge to it, It's got a great sound to it.
Play this at every birthday moving forward. In fact, why
don't we just bump out with us? We don't bump
out anymore? But wasn't I we just bump out with it?
Speaker 5 (46:06):
Well?
Speaker 1 (46:06):
This this was on a movie. Do you have a movie?
Speaker 7 (46:08):
It was in Uh fire one of those right, sixteen candles?
Speaker 1 (46:13):
Sixteen candles makes sense?
Speaker 3 (46:14):
Oh that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
That's track sixteen candles, That tracks which I made my
daughter's watch on their sixteenth birthday. That's good parents.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
I did.
Speaker 7 (46:23):
At the beginning of the song, I was not sold on,
but once it gets going, I'm like, I know why
Jason likes this
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all right, So the cowboy jobs still open, and it's
a good time to discuss it. You know, there's so
many things going on that are like kind of what
you'd say, are Jase, would you say B level sort
of topics? Right? Like we look for like what do
you start a show with a on a Wednesday when
(01:11):
we're leading up to playoff games? He can't like break
down a playoff game today? Like that seems like weird
and reacting to last weekend's playoff games seems dated. So
midweek there's you know, Raiders jobs open, Bears jobs still open,
Jet's job still open, Cowboy jobs open, and that one's interesting, right.
(01:35):
The Cowboys interviewed Robert Salah to be for his head
coaching job. It's fascinating. Mike McCarthy, who remember, was going
to meet with the Bears or the Bears want to
meet with him, only the Cowboys blocked him for meeting
with the Bears. I've been told again a lot of
interest there with Mike McCarthy and the Bears, which would
make sense, right. The Bears are forever, I don't know, jealous, envious,
(02:00):
or in competition with the Packers. And McCarthy was there
with Aaron Rodgers. He won a Super Bowl there. He
did a good job in Dallas with Dak Prescott. They
have their own young quarterback. Want to put him in
a West Coast system and he's had some success. Is
he the world's greatest coach now? But when you go
from Matt Eberfluss, who was a defensive minded guy who'd
(02:21):
never been a head coach before, you want a guy
who's offensive minded and has been a head coach before.
I think the only option there is McCarthy. Doesn't mean
that's who they go with, but that's a very strong possibility.
Here's Michaeh. Parsons, who of course played for McCarthy, on
his podcast, talking about his former coach.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
It is devastating, you know, coach. Mike's a great father coach,
one of the most winning coaches, and you know he's
always been good to us as a unit, us to
the coaches players. So, you know, losing a great coach
like Mike Hurtz. But it's going to be very interesting offseasons.
You know, it's going to be very interesting, you know,
(03:00):
to the free agents, to coaching. It's like, you know,
it's going to be a complete reset. So it's going
to be a very interesting and challenging offseason. But listen,
I already know I trust my owner, I trust our GM,
I trust Will McClay that we're going to make the
right decisions.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Yeah, he spent exactly two seconds of a pause on
Mike McCarthy. Did you notice that, Jay stew So, Yeah,
it really sucks, but anyway, we're on.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
So I like that he said that this was a
reset twice. Do you think Jerry Jones thinks this offseason
as a reset?
Speaker 1 (03:41):
All depends on what you think of the word reset means.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Just by the one then the definition like the in
the dictionary.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Well yeah, but there's multiple definitions of it. You can
do a reset within Hey, we're going to different offense coordinator,
different defensive coordinator. Reset, go again. You think of reset
as starting over, like truly starting over.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Yep, Yeah, that's what I think it means.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
I don't think that's what Micah Parsons thinks it means.
I don't think I understand what you're you're getting at
the very literal definition of it. But I think because
if it was a true reset, it would be trade
Micah Parsons trade, CD LAMB trade, everybody start completely over,
(04:27):
and I don't think that's I think I would guess
that the Cowboy's gonna hire somebody they think can win immediately,
and that's not a reset, not a reset. That's that's
my take on it. Because remember when you when you
google a matter of fact, I'll do it while you
you can find way to kill time. If you just
say reset, there are multiple meanings of it.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
It's going to be very interesting off Caesons. You know
it's gonna be very interesting, you know, due to the
free agents, the coaching. It's like, you know, it's going
be a complete reset. So it's going to be a
very interesting and challenging off season. But listen, I already know.
I trust my owner, I trust our GM, I trust
Will Maclay that we're gonna make the right decisions.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
So the definition is an act or instance of setting again,
an acted instance of setting adjusting or fixing something in
a new and different way that is not necessarily means
starting over or starting from scratch. Right, Fixing and adjusting
is not starting over, it's fixing adjusting. So I take
(05:37):
him at his word, I actually think, but I also
think that Michael Parsons is repeating what he's heard. Hey,
this is just a chance of the reset challenging off season,
and Parsons, much like some politicians, he struggles the most
or causes the most. Start when he goes off script
and says what he thinks, and sometimes it contradicts itself right,
and then he doesn't sound as bright a guy as
(05:59):
he actually is. So I think of it more by
the possibility of adjusting or fixing that I do of
starting over, which I think you think of reset as
completely starting over? Do you not buyer? What do you think?
Speaker 4 (06:14):
I think this is a classic case of reset versus rebuild,
and I believe that rebuild is a four letter word
in the halls of the Dallas Cowboys and Jerry Jones,
who has made it no secret that he wants another
Super Bowl before he dies, and is admitted, Hey, I
(06:37):
have tons of time here on this earth, so I'd
want to get this done. That's one point of it,
Jerry Jones, rebuild could take too long. Reset is the
way to go. But the other tricky thing about it,
and why I do believe that Micah Parsons has, as
you guys correctly stated, heard this throughout the hallways, is
if it's a rebuild, that means that Jerry Jones and
(07:00):
his front office did wrong. Yeah, and Jerry Jones would
never admit that they did wrong. So a reset is
just saying, Okay, some thing's kind of got off track here.
Let's just reset because what we're doing is fine. How
I operate is the right way to do it, This
is a good way to do it. Let's reset because
we're not going to rebuild and they wouldn't even go
(07:22):
through the notion of rebuilding and tearing down because again,
Jerry doesn't have the time and Jerry doesn't have his
egos too big to realize that he did something wrong.
So everything, no matter how bad they are with the Cowboys,
will be a reset. And it's probably a true reason
why they have not been to the super Bowl in
thirty years, because they haven't figured out a way to
rebuild or do anything.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
So let's go back to my original question for both
of you. Now, do you think Jerry Jones would be
happy with his best player calling it a quote complete reset.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
I think that's exactly what he was told, so yes,
and I think his defense would be exactly what Dan's
defense of it is. We said reset, we didn't say rebuild.
Reset is an adjustment and fixing. Rebuild is starting over.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Rebuild is also a plan didn't previously work, so we
got to do something different. We got to rebuild. This
reset is tay, No, We've got everything's don't worry. House
is in order. I'm just going to reset here a
little bit. I wouldn't doubt if Michah Parsons added complete
on his own in saying it where maybe reset, and
then Parsons is looking at it, well, we don't have
(08:33):
a head coach. We've lost our entire staff under him.
Obviously there's going to be a new staff. I wouldn't
doubt if Michah Parsons and I'm just guessing here added
the complete reset. But I do think that reset is
a word that they have said in the hallways because
rebuild would rebuilds a four letter word with the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
No question, so four letter word with a lot of people, right,
because it's admitting this is done, and you can't have
a rebuild if you have the same quarter He just can't.
That's the other part to it. He can't have a
rebuild if you have the same quarterback and same star
player on defense. Like, that's not that's not something you
(09:12):
rebuild around. That's that's my belief. Jay sud Do you
do you agree with Mike take now? Are you still
on the stance of what he means is completely starting
over whether he knows, whether he knows.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
It or not, Yeah, I think this is the difference.
I guess in the way I see this, I think
Michael Parsons think's complete reset is a startover. I think
he thinks that. I think you and Dan have laid
out maybe what the maybe the football vernacular typically is,
and that is differently than a rebuild. But the point
(09:47):
that I was eventually getting to is, Wow, what a
difference a year makes. It was all in a year ago,
now it's complete reset.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Yeah. Yeah, again, Again, these are just terms. It's a
lot like and you've picked apart the all in thing
all year long, right, that's kind of been your thing, Like,
I'm gonna just pick this thing apart, and you're right
to do so. But part of it is your belief
in what the word all in is. Where in the
hallways of the Cowboys they're saying all in, and it
(10:23):
means something completely different than what you're going by the
basic definition of am I making sense?
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Yes, which is put all your chips in the middle,
spare no expense. He chose not to.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Yeah, I think I truly think that they're all in
is they're like, if it doesn't work, dudes are getting fired.
And that's what they did with Mike McCarthy. That's what
I think they think all in means. It doesn't mean
spare no expense, which is to your point, what the
true definition of all the actually is regards of which
(11:03):
it's going to be fascinating to see exactly what they
do because it has it clearly has nothing to do
with what the Cowboys say. It's what the Cowboys do.
I think that the Dion conversation, though cute and clever,
doesn't work because Dion said he wants to coach his son,
and his son can't be a Cowboy because they can't
(11:24):
take one hundred and six million dollars cap hit on
a quarterback that won't play for the Cowboys. So I
think it's gonna be somebody other than Dion. I just
don't know who. I got no idea who.
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He's Daniel Jeremih. He joins us in the Doug Gotleb
Show on Fox Sports Radio. Before we get to on
the field, let me start with off the field. What's
(12:47):
your reaction to the Dallas job that just came opened,
going back two days ago.
Speaker 6 (12:53):
Well, I find it fascinating. I mean, from the Mike
McCarthy side of things, it feels like he must be,
you know, somewhat confident that he could land one of
these other jobs, because you just don't walk away from
one of the thirty two unless you feel pretty good
about something else being available. And it feels like if
they would have, you know, if he would have lowered
(13:14):
his contract expectations that he would have stayed on there.
At least that's what it seems like from the outside,
and then from the Dallas side of things, it just
kind of shows a lack of planning or foresight to
be able to, you know, wait until this point in
the process. They can still you know, get some candidates
(13:35):
in there, but man, you're starting behind all the other
teams out there looking It doesn't seem like the smartest
way to do business. But now I'm fascinated to see
what it is. I know, you know, people talking about
you know, Dion and would that end up happening. I
just I was trying to think of the last time,
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and you tell me if you can remember what was
the last time that the Cowboys made a splash move.
You got to go back to times when like Dion
was playing there. Like they just haven't. They haven't operated
that way. And you know, people will steer eyes that
that's because Jerry doesn't want anybody to outshine him. But
they haven't made the splash moves with players, and they
(14:15):
haven't done with coaches.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
No, No, they have not. Stug Gottlieb Show here on
Fox Sports Radio, that's the voice of Daniel Jeremiah. I've
heard McCarthy to the Bears. What have you heard?
Speaker 6 (14:30):
I think if Ben Johnson wants the Bears, it's it
would be his job, I would guess from the outside.
But you know, maybe that's not realistic. Maybe he doesn't
want to go inside the division and he lands elsewhere.
But McCarthy would make a lot of sense there as
an offensive minded, experienced coach who's won, you know, for
(14:51):
all the criticism that may come his way, and maybe
a couple of most seasons games, the guy racks up
double digit wins seasons, he's got a Super Bowl, he's
won two different locations, and they've you know, you could
easily see the upgrade offensively with what he would bring
versus where they've been. So I think that one would
(15:11):
make a lot of sense.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, let's
get on the field. Let's start with Justin Herbert. You
and I haven't haven't talked since since Justter Herbert you
called his games for people don't know DJ in addition
to move the sticks. In addition, who's work at the
NFL network. He's the analyst for the LA Chargers radio network.
(15:37):
What went so wrong for the Chargers in their playoff loss.
Speaker 6 (15:42):
They had a chance to kind of deliver a knockout
punch early in the game, and it was a couple
of crucial mistakes. You look at at the two plays
to me that decided that game, or that changed the
entire game was you have the Dean Letard interception. Right
after that, you're up six nothing, You're at the forty
going in all the momentum in the world. You think,
(16:03):
with Cameron Dicker you might already even be in field
will range, but another five yards and that's a lock,
and you're looking at a nine to nothing game with
maybe even a chance to go down and score make
it a thirteen to nothing game. And then the very
first play after that interception, they call a shot play
on a backside throwback to Quinton Johnson. It's not there
and instead of just throwing the ball away justin tries
(16:25):
to force it to get interception. That was the first one.
Then the second play obviously the third and sixteen with CJ.
Stroud making a play on a fumbled snap and scooping
it up and getting them out to midfield, and that
got him on track. They got their offense on track.
But those two plays to me were the pivotal plays.
And then when it comes to Justin, Look, he didn't
(16:48):
play well. He didn't have a good game. He did
not play well. You know, one ball clanks off Disley's hands.
The pass protection was not good, particularly along the interior.
You got a lot of quicksure's inside. But to me,
the the you know, the personnel is going to get better.
He's I mean, I think that was more of a
(17:09):
one off for him in terms of the poor performance.
But I do think that you know, now he's got
two games of playoff experience, he's gonna you know, I
think I'm hoping he's learning that you're gonna have to
use your legs. It's all hands on deck to do
whatever you have to do to win a game and
make plays. That the fact that he didn't crush the
football I think.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Was a mistake, Yeah, which he had been doing all year,
especially in this system. Okay, but there's and I don't
know where the energy, the anti Herbert energy comes from.
But he doesn't play well, they lose, and it's like, oh,
we got to have a discussion about Justin Herbert. Like
you watched every game this year, you understand the personnel
(17:53):
and what they're asking of him. If you were to
say one to ten in totality of even counting the
playoff game as the worst performance of the year, I
don't know if that's the worst performance of the year.
What type of year do you have? One to ten.
Speaker 6 (18:09):
I thought Justin had an eat, Yeah, I could, you know,
that's what I would put it. Considering who he's working with.
You had one one, you know receiver in mcconkeie, who's
going to be a star. You saw that with him
almost putting up two hundred yards in the playoff his
first playoff team. He's an outstanding But you don't really
have a strong number two receiver. You don't have a
number one pass catching tight end. You've got Will Disley
(18:33):
as your tight end, who's been, you know, been a
great blocker his whole career, but he was being relied
on to be the main target in this offense. That's
not who he is. You've got you know running back
in JK. Dobbins, who's you know, runs really hard, but
he missed time. You don't really have a super dynamic
home run hitting back, and you have an interior three
(18:55):
of the offensive line that's not not, you know, championship level.
So the good news for Herbert and the Chargers, Doug,
is that the I joked with Joe Org he's a
general manager. I said, you guys have been able to
shop at the hardware store and get all that stuff.
I said, this year, you get to shop at the
toy store. You got to go out and get some
(19:15):
weapons and some toys for your quarterback. And I think
those things are cheaper, and they're easier to find than
left tackles, you know, and obviously the quarterback himself. They've
got the toughest things to find already in place.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Yeah, I'm in less insightful and more condensed fashion. Basically,
that's what I said. I just I don't know where
the anti Herbert thing comes from. I really don't. It's
a weird one. He's so inoffensive. I think the only
thing I can think of, DJ is most people don't
watch full games unless they're standalone games, and the Chargers
(19:48):
didn't play many, if any, standalone games, and so this
is their only tidbit of watching and they're told, man,
he's really good, and then he doesn't play as well.
They think they're being lied to all year because people
like want to make a message. The only thing I
can think.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
Of, well, I think he's I think there's also this negativity,
not just towards Herbert, but to the Chargers. I mean,
everybody talks about chargering and blowing games and overrated and
you know, high expectations always coming underneath those expectations. That's
been you know what the kind of anti Charger crowd
has had forever as they're as their calling card, and
(20:27):
I think they've they've you know, kind of placed Herbert
within that criticism. And it's like, look, man, this is
this is the ground floor. This is year one of
a new coaching staff. Do everything, this is this is
a good year man, double digit wins, you got into
the postseason, and I can make a strong argument without
having seen one move I can. I can guarantee you,
(20:50):
I'll stamp it that this roster will be vastly improved
next year around justin Herbert.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Okay, let's let's get to a couple the other playoff
stinkers I texted with. We didn't have him on Danie Rolofski.
He said, by his estimation, ninety percent of the breakdowns
in the Vikings offense were not of his doing offensive
line he thought was the biggest. We've had others that
(21:17):
have told us, hey, play calling wasn't good either. What
were your thoughts on what led Sam Darnold to have
such a stinker in his playoff performance.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
Well, I mean it really it's kind of the last
couple of weeks, right, you know, he did unfortunately for
Sam has played his worst two games now. The offensive
line got overmatched and overwhelmed in both games. But I
think there's no there's no perfect players. Everybody has their kryptonite.
And I think with Sam, when he gets hit like
(21:47):
that early, unfortunately, it just speeds up his clock and
you think, okay, we took all these sacks. He must
be slowing down. You know, he must not be seeing
things clearly, he must be playing slowly. The exact opposite,
he's playing too fast. You know, he got hit, he
got pressured, and then he's getting off one to two
to three, and he's just everything just moved way too
(22:09):
quick for him. And that was some some things that
had happened, you know, early in his career when he
wasn't playing well, and this year he played great for
the majority of the season until these last two games
and I think it's unrealistic, Doug, that you have, you know,
five plus years of some some bad habits due to
(22:30):
what you're playing with, uh, that you're going to eliminate
all of that in one one year as a starter
in their first year playing at a competent you know,
offense with with competent support. He had, he had two
clunkers at the end of the year. I'm I don't
think I don't think you can absolve him with any
of that blame, but I also think you have to
step back and look at it on the hole and say,
(22:52):
this is a pretty dark, big step for him in
his career.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Okay, so a lot of people are making the case
that Kevin O'Connell's, his comments, his some of the words
you use were almost in past tense form, right, like, Hey,
do you think there's a general understanding that he won't
be back.
Speaker 6 (23:16):
I don't think so, But I mean, I think it's
just it's tough when you've had the year that they've
had and then for the end in kind of a
crash and burn fashion, that you'd be tempted to say, Okay, well,
we've got this other guy who we really liked, who's
really talented. We haven't seen him yet, and maybe that's
the solved you know, maybe that solved the problems that
(23:38):
that popped up here. I think that's a natural human nature,
you know that, oh maybe this guy. Maybe that's that's
an easy one. This is just a quick fix. We
swapped him out, swapped JJ McCarthy in, and all our
problems are solved. I think that's, you know, that's the
immediate reaction would be would be an easy one. But
I think at the end of the season you need
(24:01):
to remove yourself from the emotion and give it, you know,
a week to ten days before you start making any
strong you know, sways and opinion on which way they're
going to go at the quarterback position. I think that
would be dumb to do that at this point in time.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Stull Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Daniel Jeremiah
is our guest. Pittsburgh Steelers collapse of that put proportions
down down the stretch. I will I'll just give you
my opinion. You can say, listen, you know what you're
talking about. It's I think the offense was so limited,
so limited with Russell that I think that hurt their
(24:39):
defensive energy. You know, it just did like I thought
Herbstreet's comments were right, like it looked like they were
they were dead before they were actually dead in the field.
And I think it just comes from that we can't
score here, like what do we what are we doing?
Some people think it's Tomlin's message has gone stale? What
do you think?
Speaker 6 (25:00):
I think they don't have them. I don't think they
have a championship quarterback. I think that's obvious. I think
that it is deflating to the defense. I mean I
saw it in the Charger game, you know, and your
defense is constantly just going right back out there, and
especially if you're playing against a team that's physical, get
that gets old real quick. And then so you've got
(25:21):
that side of it. I also think if you're Mike
Tomlin and I've been out there for a training camps,
I've probably seen just about every team you know in
training camp over the years. With NFL Network duties, it's
as physical and grueling and grinding of a training camp
as you're ever.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Going to see.
Speaker 6 (25:39):
And you know, Tom Coughlin had to make that adjustment
when he was with the Giants. He had to back off,
he had to change his ways because his team was
run out of gas at the end of the season.
And this has been several years in a row of
that's happening now. I think if you're Mike Tomlin, you
have to take a step back and reevaluate how you're
constructing practices training camp and see if you can't figure
(26:02):
some things out on your end. Why your guys look
so heavy legged and slow at the end of these seasons.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Yeah, well, losing losing games in the practice field to
too much precks and it's a longer season now than
it's ever been with the added seven round game, you know,
with the end and their their season was backloaded with
the more talented teams at the at the end of
the year. Uh okay, last thing, I know, you gotta go,
we gotta go. Aj Brown still seems I mean like
(26:29):
that that group is still not not working together all that. Well,
what are your thoughts on how this thing? But they
they did win and kind of similar to the Packers.
Packers got off to such a poor start. Not sure
you can go back from that in the playoffs. But
what are your thoughts on the dysfunction within the Eagles?
Speaker 6 (26:48):
Well, I think you if you want to go glass
half full. You say, any team that wins a championship
has to survive a clunker, and that was kind of
an offensive clunker for them, and they still won the game.
And you're hoping that that's you know, you just kind
of flush it and then you're you're more consistent and
you can actually throw the ball a little bit in
(27:09):
the next game. But it wasn't pretty offensively. The other
point from that one, though, is I have all the
playoff games this weekend. You tell me, you know you
watch them as well. I thought Philadelphia, they're the way
they hit people in that game defensively was the most
physical performance of the playoffs, and I don't even think
(27:29):
it was close. Every other time they hit somebody from
the Packers, they left the game, Doug. I mean, when
Elton Jenkins pulled and Nolan Smith instead of bracing and
trying to hold up, you know, to try and brace
for a pulling guard, Nolan Smith, that two hundred and
thirty eight pounds went right through his chest and knocked
him out of the game. I was like, oh, and
it started from the kickoff, the opening kickoff with that
(27:50):
hit from Warren Burks, Like that was a physical performance
and that works. That plays, especially in the postseason. So
they've got offense they need to figure out. Jalen Hurts.
You know, even Rusty, I don't know what's going on there.
That doesn't look like he's dialed in. But if their
defense is flying around and smacking people like that, they're
gonna They're gonna be in this thing for a little while.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Daniel Jeremiah moving the sticks to the podcast NFL Network,
LA Chargers Radio Network as well. DJ. We'll talk to
you next week. Thanks so much for joining us.
Speaker 6 (28:20):
Thanks brother mem.
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join us dj IS. He's the NFL analyst for the
(29:15):
NFL network. He has to move to six podcast. Plus
he's the color analyst for the Chargers radio network. We'll
ask him about Justin Herbert. A lot of discussion at
least Monday about Herbert's poor performance in the playoffs on
Saturday night. There's a guy who judges players for a living.
We'll get his thoughts on Herbert. Tiger Woods has the
(29:38):
new golf league, which is it's like a simulator golf league.
I will discuss that upcoming. Plus we got the press.
But before we get to any of that, we do
this every Wednesday, Wednesday's day, middle of the week, middle of
the day, middle of the show. We call it the Midway.
He's not getting a little.
Speaker 5 (30:00):
For the midway.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
All right there, Jason Stewart, what's the midway topic today?
Speaker 3 (30:10):
You know what? It's Doug Gottley's birthday today, and.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
Happy happy birthday, you old man.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
I think you mentioned something.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Yes, all right, p Matumba. We have we have Momo
say on our team and Momos say he doesn't have
a Matumbo voice, but definitely has a deeper voice. And
I told everybody that Momo should I need to tell
Momo this. He needs to go third person. I think
he needs He's I don't love people going third person.
(30:41):
I think Momo needs to go third person just again,
like if you're Matumbo, supposed he needs to go third
person all the time. I would love to hear what
momos he said, like momot he say, wants to bull anyway?
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Sorry, go ahead, since it's your birthday today, yep, And
I really do want to. I want to talk about birthdays.
You brought up something last hour too that could be
a part of this conversation, mentioning it in the office,
celebrating it, acknowledging it. I think I think views have
(31:12):
changed over the years on that. And then I want
to know who else was born today. I thought you
mentioned recently that the other famous people were born.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
Today and then Dan.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Dan's birthdays tomorrow, and I want him to share who
was born on that day and just your general thoughts
on this amazing week where two of our you know
integral members of the show are turning a different age.
And then I have I have an offer after you're
done there, to change the traditional birthday song. I think
(31:47):
it's reached a point of cringe. It's no longer fun
or funny for anybody involved, and we need to change it.
And I have the perfect song to play out.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
It's played out. Kiss f N won't play it anymore?
Is that you're doing? I mean, Martin is a goodbye.
Martin Luther King Junior was born on January fifteenth. I
think he stacks just slightly above Matt Holiday and definitely
above me probably, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm fifty next year.
(32:21):
This is my last year at forty nine, which means
I'm actually fifty now, right, isn't it because we don't
count first fiftieth year.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
Yeah, the start of your fiftieth year fifty years old.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Yeah, so I'm forty nine. I don't feel forty nine,
like if I would have said to my ten year
old self, like what does forty nine look like? Like whoa, whoa,
that's old.
Speaker 7 (32:42):
But I don't know you're a forty nine er.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
I am. I'm a today. It's my San Francisco birthday.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
Nothing was. Nothing was faster than thirty to forty for me. Yikes,
and about it forty to I'll be forty eight tomorrow,
So it was. I don't know if it was as quick.
It's been very quick, but to me, the thirty to
forty was just wow.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Come on, Okay, so do you guys we're both Capricorns, right, yes?
Do you ever look at your horoscope?
Speaker 4 (33:15):
I have, yes, I don't do it daily, but at
times I will.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
All right, tell me if this is accurate for you,
because I don't know. I just read this. Social events
and group activities are likely to take up most of
your day. Capricorn. You could come into contact with so
many people you may not be able to keep track
of them all. Get contact information, all the new acquaintances.
You should experience a lot of intellectual stimulation. Conversations take
up most of your energy. This day should be an enjoyable,
(33:41):
but tiring day. Here's what's funny about it. Okay, So
this morning we had a good long coaches meeting, actually
I kind of two hours, talked about a bunch of
stuff because we have three games in six days coming
up starting Friday. And then my boss came in and
he has a tendency to steer the ship off the
main and into the creek a little bit. We got
(34:03):
back on the road. Then they had practice. Okay, that
took a bunch of it. Then I had the show,
and then after the show, a buddy of mine named
Mike Sadoff. He invited me to the Bucks game and
I got court sided for the Bucks tonight against the
Orlando Magic. Orlando Magic are coached by Jamal Moseley. Jamal
Mosley I used to coach in AAU when he played
for my dad's team come out of high school in
(34:25):
San Diego that he played Colorado. Now he's head coach
of the Orlando Magic. We also have a dinner before
the game with kind of some new sort of acquaintances. Anyway,
like I kind of think the horoscope thing is sometimes
it's hit or miss. It's not real, but it kind
(34:45):
of does take up out of my day. There are
a bunch of new people and it's going to be
enjoyable but tiring. It's a good one.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
I will say this on birthdays and to go back
to what Jason said, by the way, my birthday tomorrow,
Albert Pool holes, Joe Flacco the late Aaliyah shaw Day,
Debbie Allen, Ronnie Millsap, Don McClain, the Hoopster, all January
(35:13):
for UCLA, Yes, all January sixteenth birthdays.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Okay, go back through those names, because I'll.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
Give you She from Baywatch David one of my favorite
names ever.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Go back to the first Go back to your first one.
I'm gonna give you my one line.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
And everybody all right, elber pool holes.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Okay, I mean you know, in the conversation of best
hitters of our lifetime.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
Joe Flacco.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Not elite, but but super Bowl champion.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
Aliyah, the late Aliyah of.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Late Aliah right did was she the one who's married
to R Kelly or something?
Speaker 4 (35:47):
Well, they had like a relationship.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
I don't think you can be married if she's fourteen,
Okay that is, but.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
I did have them.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
Okay, there that is the perfect line.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Okay, here we go. Not in this country at least.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
Ronnie Millsap I saw him live.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
He didn't see me, but.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
I knew that was coming. Ronns blind fies.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
I don't know, blind legendary Hall of Fame, blind legendary
cutry Western musician. But I did randomly see him in
do Rant Oklahoma, do rant Oklahoma?
Speaker 4 (36:22):
Uh? Shade, I mean.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
Shade you talking about great r and b artists of
our childhood and.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
Soul right, yeah, even to this day. Yes, Shade Love
songs just this hit after.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Hits no Ordinary Love.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
Yeah, that's my favorite one of think.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
No Ordinary Love a lot better when she sings it.
Speaker 7 (36:48):
I had no idea who Shade was, and I thought
her name was Sadie.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Yes, like the Hawkins dance. Yeah, keep going. You hat
a couple more of than he. I think. I just
want I want to do the Ronnie millsap thing. I
thought that was funny.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
Sorry, that's all right. I've done that before, just for
the punchline you mentioned work. I usually take off for
my birthday, but because of the funky week that it
falls on a Thursday, Sunesday, it's a funky week. It
just falls on a Thursday, I felt that I should
go to work. And that's why I'm taking off on Friday,
because then we'll be in on Monday, which is the
(37:22):
holiday for MLK Day, the observed holiday on Monday. We
will obviously be in for all the reaction from the
crazy weekend of NFL football in the National Championship game
than Monday night. So that's why I'm going to be off.
But I'm actually going to be at work tomorrow, which
I usually I am not to usually take off my birthday
to go celebrate.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Hey, R day guy. You know how you have those
memories on your phone that pop up, you know, Yeah,
it's really interesting. I got one from my daughter, Harper,
where she is like, couldn't be any better, right, in
terms of memories. This is from how many years ago?
Speaker 4 (38:00):
Is this for.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Six eight? The midway alone? I gotta scroll down to
it because deep in there, Oh from twenty sixteen, right,
so my daughter was seven. Oh no, she was ten
at the time. Dear dad, happy birthday. I hope you know.
I wish you could have a day off off of work.
I knew you had a very tight schedule even if
you're at work. I hope you have a great b day.
(38:24):
It'll be great. Harper g like, right, Like there's a
kid who gets it, and it does prove I you
know what, Dan, you should always do that, Dude, always
do it. I haven't done it. I just haven't. I
do a bad job of taking days off, But that's
that's a good tradition to have.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
There is the balance. One time at work, I was
here on a day and there was just for example,
let's just say Jason and Iowa Sam were in the
room because they're here, but this was a different time.
We had a producer. Actually it was Gavin who used
to produce the shit. Gavin Gavin Kinzl, my old roommate.
(39:01):
I had three people in the room wish me happy birthday.
Just oh, you know, somebody would say, Dan, have a
great birthday. I think that's what Ramo said. Somebody else
was in the room like, oh, I didn't know, it's
your birthday. Happy birthday Dan. Somebody else said, yeah, happy birthday.
Gavin refused to to even acknowledge it was my birthday
as he was sitting there on the computer because he
felt he was being bandwagon and jumping on everybody else.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
I could respect that, because I mean, here's the reality, right.
My kids haven't wished me happy birthday yet. Now a
couple buddies from mine just just put it out on IG.
So now I think they're going to bandwagon it, and
I'll get calls this afternoon. I'll be like no, no no,
no no no no no no no no no no
if you didn't text me first thing in the morning.
Now some people they do the Facebook thing, and that's
(39:48):
kind of cheating.
Speaker 7 (39:48):
It still works, Yes, oh I rely on Facebook for
telling me when people's birthdays are.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Oh yeah, I do that all the time.
Speaker 7 (39:54):
Because I just can't remember it outside of my sister
and my parents.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
I mean, I saw I saw Ronnie mills Ha's birthday was.
Speaker 7 (40:02):
Also I do the bandwagon thing on Facebook where someone
will post happy birthday to someone and I'll just comment
underneath with like a sticker like happy birthday, and then
I don't have to make mount posts.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
What do you think about the people with thanks so
much for all the birthday wishes? That sounds like you're
searching for more birthday wishes.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
Of course, Well when you do it when you're birthday
is six hours old, like and you have eighteen hours
left in the day, like that post has to come
I think there within the next day or yeah, the
next day, or with only two hours remaining in your birthday.
You can't do it morning. You can't do it midday
because then it's just a cheap ask. That's that's all
(40:40):
I view.
Speaker 7 (40:40):
This isn't nom There are rules here.
Speaker 4 (40:42):
There are rules here for this, Okay, what are the rules?
Speaker 7 (40:46):
The rules are you can't with eighteen hours left in
the day say thanks for all the birthday wishes. You
got to wait till the next day or an hour remaining.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
I agree. And by the way, it is okay to
forget people's birthdays, right. It's like so totally. Him is like,
you know what, I just forgot?
Speaker 3 (41:01):
Sorry Sam, days up Vietnam. I was quoting. I think
my views, my views on birthday parties I think haven't
changed since the late sixties, and I can get criticized
for this. I understand. This goes against everything Dan stands for.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
I was at your fiftieth birthday party.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
By the way, yes you were fun. There is I
don't think dudes need to say happy birthday to dudes.
I don't think that taking off worcaus is something that
that is necessary. I think women have taken birthdays and
made such a sham out of it, because women will
(41:44):
extend their birthdays through the weekend and then they'll make
an entire month out of it. I have a friend
of mine whose wife's name is Brooke, and she calls
it October Brooktober, and every single day needs to be
oh her day. Oh, and then kids under twelve can
celebrate birthdays. But after that, I don't know if you
need to. Dan is my witness. October sixteenth came and
(42:06):
went on this show without it being acknowledged Dan because
he's a considerate dude going into the last breaks. Do
you want me to mention it on the air? And
what did I say? No?
Speaker 4 (42:20):
That's correct, right, I.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Will say that, Jason, if we're honest with ourselves, right,
we don't make up the fact that you're kind of
a curmudgeon for most things that are celebrated in life. Right,
that's kind of your It's not even stick. It's legitimately
who you are. So it's not that you're not making
valid points, but we have to take it with a
grain of salt that this is kind of who you are.
(42:42):
So it definitely what are the kids saying that? When
people say now that tracks? Like, yeah, that tracks?
Speaker 3 (42:48):
Yeah you know it's on brand.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
Yeah. I look, I think here's how I think about birthdays.
I think it all depends on you. Right, it's significant
to you. I know people that I know somebody who
hates her birthday, Like, do not mention my birthday? Don't
bring it up. I hate it, and I think it's
because she's just like nobody likes getting older. My thing
(43:11):
on the birthdays after you get to the past twelve
years old, is I do think there's only a couple
of birthdays that really matter, right? Eighteen matters, twenty one matters,
thirty sort of matters, forty, fifty, sixty, whatever.
Speaker 4 (43:23):
Yeah, the day numbers, and then you agree once you get.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
Past like seventy, like everyone's kind of a celebration, like
you're still alive, you know, Like my mom is seventy
nine years old, So seventy eight, nineteen forty six, it's
twenty five. But is she she's forty six. Yeah, she's
seventy nine years old, Like that should be celebrated. Why
could she's still kicking?
Speaker 4 (43:46):
Definitely the next year's birthday too. Yeah, but you say that, Doug,
And I'm gonna say two things. Number One, I vividly
remember when myself, John Ramos and Ron Music chipped in
and we got you a Travis Matthew golf hat for
your birthday and we brought it to work and you
said on the air, do you know what guys? People
downplay it? People say they don't really care what people
(44:08):
think of them. Sometimes it's nice to be thought of
on your birthday, Riscott. I remember that to this day.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
Yes, and I was that's a great point, and I
mean it. I don't need a celebration or fanfare. My
best birthday to date, best birthday to date was I
was gosh, it wasn't It was probably like I was
like probably thirty five. I was et ESPN and we
(44:35):
we invited I think it was three other couples to
dinner and we just had dinner and at the end,
you know, they and again I specifically said, like I'm
not inviting to dinner, so you pick up my dinner, Like,
we're just all going to dinner and have a good
conversation and catch up. Because January very busy time when
(44:56):
I was at ESPN doing radio and doing college basketball.
We had a great dinner. I was like, man, that
was really good. And then people just recognize my birthday.
I don't want any presents. You want to pick up
my tab Great, that's awesome. That's enough. So that's how
I roll do. I like it totally mentioned. I like
my friends to remember it. I always apologize to Dan
because usually I forget it. This year, I made it
a point like I'm not forgeting Dan's birthday, although tomorrow
(45:19):
I'm gonna wake up and be completely lost in thought
and forget. But yeah, that's really what it is. I
just want I just like it when my friends remember
it and somebody just goes, hey, hi, birthday.
Speaker 7 (45:30):
But you just want to have a nice day, you know,
you just want to have a day where without hassles
and you just want to have a good day.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
Okay, So Jay su, let me ask you. What's the
new birthday song? We need to do?
Speaker 3 (45:46):
All right? Real fast? Uh? Change out the current birthday
song that's been going on for a century with this
hit from the eighties from Alter Images. It's got an
edge to it, It's got a great sound to it.
Play this at every birthday moving forward. In fact, why
don't we just bump out with us? We don't bump
out anymore? But wasn't I we just bump out with it?
Speaker 5 (46:06):
Well?
Speaker 1 (46:06):
This this was on a movie. Do you have a movie?
Speaker 7 (46:08):
It was in Uh fire one of those right, sixteen candles?
Speaker 1 (46:13):
Sixteen candles makes sense?
Speaker 3 (46:14):
Oh that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
That's track sixteen candles, That tracks which I made my
daughter's watch on their sixteenth birthday. That's good parents.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
I did.
Speaker 7 (46:23):
At the beginning of the song, I was not sold on,
but once it gets going, I'm like, I know why
Jason likes this
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