January 31, 2025 • 54 mins
On this edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug reacts to Troy Aikman's claim that the NFL owes it to their sports betting fans to fix the officiating issue, and why the grand conspiracy about the NFL and the Chiefs is nonsense.
Doug and Dan Beyer finish their thoughts on Allen Iverson. Doug reacts to Bronny James getting a standing ovation after a play in a 40-point game.
Doug has a colorful disagreement with Dan Beyer about Allen Iverson. Doug welcomes former Bucs GM Mark Dominick onto the show to talk about the NFL coaching hires, the Super Bowl and all of the other major headlines around the NFL.
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It's really interesting on how I feel like there are
times in which opinions I've had have been typecast as
you are this, and you're that, you're politically aligned with this,
politically aligned with that. Here's where I think Jay stew
and I actually come to in a I think, uh,
we're we're a line, and Jason, if we're not, it's okay.
(01:08):
But I consider myself a radical centrist and what does
that mean? That means I don't have to agree with
one side, and you just go like, well, I'm a
Democrat because I believe in this, or I'm a Republican,
and then I have to believe in everything Democrats believe it,
or I'm a Republican because I believe in this and everything. Right,
A radical centrist is like just basically a free thinker.
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And there are parts of every side that I like,
and there are parts of both sides. I'm like, I
don't like either of those arguments. They're way too extreme.
I'm right in the middle. Radical centrist, Chase Doo, are
you anywhere? And you're there?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
I don't know radical centrist. I know you like that term,
but I think that it's it's not okay to be
somewhere in the middle because you have to choose a team.
In this day and.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Age, you have not have to choose a team.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
I'm just saying that. I'm saying in order to fit
in with people, you need to choose a team. If
you have views that are on both sides of the
political spectrum, people don't know how to put you in
a box that makes them uncomfortable and that that that
that's kind of where I'm at.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Okay, you make people uncomfortable, I do, I do. I agree. Okay,
So whatever you want to call yourself, I call myself
a radical centrist. You want to call yourself a radical extremist,
I don't know. Okay, but here's here's the point. Okay.
I made this point about hiring black coaches a couple
of years ago, and it was specifically around the Eric
(02:38):
b Enemy thing, right, which you have smartly pointed out
time and again that hey, as anybody has said, d
G was right on this one. And my point was
then that in the National Football League there is only
one agenda. There's one thing that keeps everybody employed, and
that's winning football games. And if you think for one
second that these multi multi multime millionaires, many of them billionaires,
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who own parts of or all of NFL teams, for
anyone I can care about the color of somebody's skin
in coaching a football team instead of who actually cauld
help them win games. I don't think you've paid attention.
You definitely haven't talked to anybody in the NFL. They
legit don't care. Legit, they just want to win. Because
when you win, everybody gets paid more money, everybody stays
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gamefully employed, and if you're an owner, you get to
get to the super Bowl. You get to rub elbows
with all of the other rich people that you see
at the super Bowl. That's the reality of it. I
bring that up because I heard these I heard these
comments from Troy Aikman, and I had a thought that
is good. So again, what the reason I say I'm
radical centrist is because people think that that opinion makes
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me like I'm some staunch Republican anti DEI like, no,
I'm just telling you the reality of this particular business
I can't get I try to not talk about finance,
about stocks. Right. My old high school coach is a
great junior college coach, Andy Ground. He was with us
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for like two weeks and helped give just incredible advice
for me in terms of coaching. And he's now retired.
He lives in Las Vegas, and he's given me stock
tips and I'm like, how do you know all this stuff?
He's like, this is what I researched, this is what
I paid attention to the last ten years. I've just
really really invested in my own in my family's future,
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and this is what I study. And these are the
podcasts I listened to it, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Okay,
that's great. I don't give people financial advice outside of
just don't buy stupid stuff, right, like, don't buy stupid stuff,
eat at home, live a healthy lifestyle. You'll live longer.
Like again, that's all I can tell you. If you
can't pay off your credit card bill on a monthly basis,
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you're buying too much stuff. But I don't give people
invest in this and why, cause that's I don't know
what I'm talking about. Those aren't things that I've researched.
So I'm not some staunch Republican. I'm just telling me
who tells you the reality of the business football, which
is they just want to win games? Okay, So what
is the lifeblood of the nation FOOTBA league? Why is
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the National Football League the most popular American sport by
a mile by a mile? And Jason, You've pointed this
out time and again, and I've come around to agreeing
mostly with you. I do think we look back at
other great games and we think they were all spectacular
with highlights, and they weren't there's plenty of ugly football games.
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Right when the Ravens beat the Giants to win the
Super Bowl in two thousand, that was an ugly football game.
Ugly football game. We remember back of everything being better
than it is now. It's how we work, it's our
brain works. That's why the Make America Great thing really
makes us think that everything was better in yesteryear. It's
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brilliant because it preys on our psyche as human beings.
But you have pointed out that the quality of the
sport is not nearly what the reputation of the sport is.
Is that fair? Like you call it the Zubropa It's
like the Zuropa Tour, right.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Yeah, yeah, that has a lengthy explanation. But I will
say this, the quality of play undoubtedly has gone down
the last couple of years, and more and more loud
voices are actually admitting it. And how it pertains to
gambling is this. This is what I've always said, because
so many people gamble on games, so many people have
fantasy interest in the games that they're the league is
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not motivated to improve the quality of play because the
money's still coming in on every platform. Like yesterday, they
released the news that concussions are down seventeen percent, and
my first thought, oh, great, that means they're not going
to make it a mandatory for people to practice more
correct right, and the quality of plays all that, all the.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Things that people don't like. Okay, they don't hit anymore,
they don't practice anymore, it's not sharp. It's not that
those are going to continue because they're worried about the concussions.
They're worried about more lawsuits. You're right, quality of play
is going to continue to suffer, and you're still not
You're not gonna be able to lay a hand at
all on a quarterback. And the kickoff rule, whatever you
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think of it, it's going to stay because all of
these things are what they believe. That seventeen percent decrease
the number concussions our results in some form of fashion
of all these new rules. But then I heard what
Troy Aikman had to say about gambling and the Chiefs,
and it brought to my mind something that needs to
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be said. Here's Troy yesterday.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
The league is in partners with a number of these
gambling services. So here you are promoting gambling. People are
gambling more than they ever had before, and those types
of calls. There's a lot at stake regardless, but especially
when you're considering there's a lot of money that's changing
hands with these calls as well. So I think that
we owe it to the fans that we get it right,
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and I think we're at a point in time where
we can we can get it more right. That was
really my position and just trying to lean on the
NFL and say, hey, you know, we've got to fix this.
We've got to address it in the off season.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
So here's my thought, and it doesn't necessarily pertain to Troy,
because Troy wants he wants to do the impossible, and
the impossible is getting something perfect that is imperfect. Getting
something perfect is imperfect. One example I like to use
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is that ninety seven percent. Ninety seven percent is the
threshold for being a fact. Scientifically, science leaves this three percent, dile,
one percentile, whatever it is as the possibility that they
got it wrong. And people want things to be one
hundred percent, and nothing is one hundred percent. It's just
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not it's not the way it works. With really smart people,
they leave a percent percentage out for I don't know,
there could be some act of God or some random
thing that makes it so that it's not one hundred
percent true or just that's what a scientific fact is
at ninety seven percent. We want this game to be perfect,
it's not. We want the officiating to be perfect, it's not.
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Do you know how long it would take to review
every penalty to make sure they got every penalty on
every play called. It would be just incredibly tedious to watch.
But the other side to it is there is this
because we are a nation of conspiracy theorists. Right, you
have a president who is a conspiracy theorist. You have
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potentially the guy who's going to run the HHS is
a conspiracy theorist. Like these people have come into power,
it's now empowered conspiracy theorists to believe that these conspiracies
are infactrum There is a conspiracy theory out there that
says that they want the NFL wants the Chiefs to
be in Super Bowl, Sam, you, Jay, Stu, Dan Byer,
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Would you guys agree with that that there is a
theory out there that the NFL is wanting for the
Chiefs to be in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
There, yes, so many thinks that yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Let me tell you why. That is maybe the dumbest
thing any human being can ever utter. And when they
say these things to you, you say, just before I
have this reaction, I want to know, do you really
actually believe that? And if they say yes, here should
be your response. Can any human Can anyone keep a secret? Nowadays?
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Can anyone? And the answer is, for the most part no, no. Right,
So with social media, with Reddit, with all kinds of
different things you can take your name off of, we
learned things about people we didn't even want to know.
So in order for this to happen, I would say
at minimum, at minimum one hundred people would have to
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know about this conspiracy. Right, you have the officials, and
you have NFL officials. And it's not as simple as
those NFL officials talk to the officials and say, hey,
make this happen. They would be all of the family
members of those officials. There would be other ancillary people
in the NFL's headquarters and all different sorts of people
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in between. And even if there were only ten people
who knew on the face of the earth, the idea
that ten people could keep it a secret is laughable.
And if and as Troy pointed out smartly, not only
do people gamble on the NFL, That's why the NFL
is the most popular sport American sports. It's the easiest
to gamble on. Right. Fantasy sports has been around for
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years with baseball, but football it's way easier because there's
not one hundred and six two games. It's being gambling
between the way it's on TV, how easy it is
to consume, how there's a fairly limited number teams as
opposed to college football. Like, all of those things make
it so it's the number one sport in America. But
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the big part of the lifeblood of it is we
gamble on it. And if you're no longer a true sport,
if you're an entertainment industry like the WWE, if the
outcome is predetermined, you can't gamble on it. And that
would cost them essentially everything they're worth. All of the
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franchise values, which are in the five plus million dollar range,
would cut at least in half, maybe even more so
if it was that's what they would be risking. Now
I ask you this, and I want to be serious,
be serious, just like we talked about the Eric b
Enemy thing. In order to buy an NFL team. You
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have to have some sort of business acumen, and many,
especially the new owners, are brilliant in business. Do you
think any of them who continue to use the NFL
and the earnings of the NFL as an essential ATM
for their fan friends, do you think any of them
would say, Hey, is it worth the risk of cutting
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our franchise values in half or maybe in thirds, or
maybe even lower than that, just so the Chiefs could
get to the Super Bowl. I don't know if that's
radical centrist, but that's just the reality talking. So my
point is that if you are one of these people
that thinks the NFL is rigged in any way, I
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want you to think about that. Think about what it
would mean to the NFL if they got caught rigging
the NFL, if they got caught forcing the Chiefs to
be in the Super Bowl. Do I think it was
a blown call on fourth down? Yes? Do I think
it was atrocious? Absolutely? The officiating was beyond awful. Does
it seem to help the Chiefs?
Speaker 5 (13:49):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (13:50):
It does. Do I think it's a league mandate to
get the Chiefs in the Super Bowl? I don't if
that's radical centrist territory. If me telling you you're a
dumb dumb for believing the conspiracy theories on social media
that somehow tell you the Chiefs are preordained to be
in Super Bowl. You need to consider what it would
do to the league as a whole, what it would
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do to gambling on the league, which is the lifeblood
of sports. And if you still believe that, now we
can no longer have a conversation because you're you're a
You're a mouth breather who will believe anything that you
read on social media.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
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Speaker 1 (14:33):
What Up without You do Gatlab Show, Fox Sports Radio,
iHeartRadio app Welcome in. Mm mmmmmm mmmmmm. Jase, you've got
some housekeeping it do?
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, before you before you go on on
Browny and stuff. And I will say this, I've looked
at the metrics. Anytime you talk about Brownie, it goes crazy.
So the dynamic of a you know, current head basketball
coach talking about Bronnie makes for great content. So I
I sometimes looks like to the listeners like I'm shoehorning
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Bronnie content into the show. And there is a reason
for that. It's a metric thing. It's uh, it's a
measurement thing.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
But we're we're playing to the metrics that we're doing.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Yeah, we're it's it's good business.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
We are we doing We're doing it for the clicks.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Yep, Okay, I fully admit that. But before we get
to Bronnie, Yeah, there's some house cleaning to do. One
one of one of the items happened at the very
end of last hour, and the other one happened at
the beginning of the second segment. You and Dan need
to finish your conversation about Alan Iverson. Dan never quite
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had the platform to respond. And then but first, as
we're going out of this first hour, I said, when
Dan said, what about Syracuse and Georgetown is an all
time rivalry, I said, hell yes. And I said, Derek
Coleman v. De Kembe Mtumbo, and you gave me some
condescending like I don't think they played against each other.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Did they play each other?
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Of course they did. This is I remember.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Alonzo mourning, okay, because Alonso was by himself and then
to Kemba joined him at some point in time, and
they were they were in the same front court. I
know that Derek Coleman's I only know his first year, okay,
and Dan knows why I know his first year? Tell him, Dan,
we again, we both know what his freshman year was.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Yeah, the National championship game.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Right, he missed the front end of a one on
one and they lost in the Keith Smart jumps shot
in nineteen eighty seven in New Orleans. So his first
year was eighty six eighty seven. And I think DC
played three years at Syracuse? Is that right?
Speaker 2 (16:50):
You're doing the math for literally just remember him playing
against Mtumbo. I there are very few things that I'm
very knowledgeable about in sports, and they're very random. If
you're talking eighties Syracuse or nineties Syracuse, it's hard to
match my knowledge.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
And that okay. So he played four years, right, did
Camba Utumbo? And then the Caamin Mutembo at Georgetown?
Speaker 4 (17:17):
And there's visual proof.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
The visual proof they played against There was.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
A trading card. The trading card just one of like
the Kevin Mutumbo and I think he's guarding Derek Coleman
in it.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
What years of what years of Delate di Camin Mutembo
play at I again, I'm asking this because I don't
I don't.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Remember Tumble played three seasons, starting in the eighty eight
eighty nine season and played through the ninety ninety one
So they.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Played two years against each other, at minimum four games,
maybe even six games they played in All right, I
stay corrected. I was wrong, you're.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Right, Thank you, You're welcome.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
And Dougne I think, yeah, Well, just to clear up
my end of it, I don't think I I will
I will, I will come closer to your argument of
Alan Iverson and maybe not being the superstar that Carmelo
was in two thousand and three. And I think Carmelo's
name really helps because it's just mellow, It's Carmelo, it's
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the freshman.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
I I one national championship.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Yeah yeah, but that's also that also caps off what
he was leading to it, but the run and the
whole deal, and he's just there one season. So because
you made a point about Ray Allen that I would
agree with, and Yukon and Georgetown played one of the
legendary Big East Championship games that season. Georgetown also had
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Victor Page on that team, and it was the Victor
Page Jaheiti White.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
They had, they had Junkyard Dog, Jerome Williams, they had
Bubakar al Or they had a squad.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
But I think it was it was Iverson and Page
where they were the headliners. And I don't think like
I think the Kansas. The Kansas team, those teams back
then were so good with you mentioned Jacques Vaughn, but
Raife La friends, your buddy, Paul Pierce, Scott Pollard, you know,
like they were. They were a great, great team. But
in terms of individual stars, yeah, maybe Iverson didn't really
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truly become the absolute icon until the NBA. I think
that is a fair fair point. But I do think
that he was popular in college, but maybe not to
the level of what Carmelo was.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Listen, I'm gonna tell you this about that Georgetown team.
First of all, they had the coolest uniforms ever. Okay,
I want you to picture this because and and Dan,
I'm sure you can pull it up. Okay. It was
like a denim sort of look right, and then they
had this almost camo Nike denhim and then camo down
the side. And then they wore the Jordans with the
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which Jordans were there.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
I think they're the thirteens, and that's out of my wheelhouse.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
So it was the thirteen they were. They were the ones. Yeah,
which ones were they? They weren't the thirteen. Somebody somebody
else tweet us what they are. They had the cool
Jordans with the what's the glossy underside called she was
that called them? Not not Matt Anyway, I'm telling you
those those George. First of all, they had like these
iconic Nike uniforms and Nike Air Jordans. They looked cool
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and they were rough and tumble. They did this thing.
We played them twice and the very first time down
the court, you'd get the ball, you'd make a pass
and they would all do like a forearm shiver to
your chest and you call one foul and they'd like
stare over you like you play in Georgetown. Like they
were tougher than hell. And we were actually competitive against
them both times. But my point was kind of what
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you got to at the end, which is we do
look back on him and be like, oh, well, he
was an icon very number one pick, and then he
had the answer shoes, those rebox shoes. But in college
at that time, at that time, Georgetown wasn't they were
one of four awesome teams in the Big East. Okay,
Syracuse was like the fourth best team that went the
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national Championship game. Carrie Kittles was probably as big a
name in college at Villanova, they were like the number
two ranked team in the country, and Yukon was number
one much of the year. Georgetown was right in there
as well, and they had a star studed lineup. The
point was that these other guys were talking about were
the guy like I would actually say Big Country was
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a bigger college name than Alan Iverson was just because
he was white guy. He had this great nickname. He
was in the Big Eight. You know, they were kind
of the they along with Kansas, where all anybody talked
about that year, right, like Big Country was a huge
name in college basketball. He just didn't turn out to
be a very good pro and Allen iversondn't turned out
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to be an NBA MVP and a Hall of Famer.
And we look back at college and you're right he was.
He did have this kind of cult dish like guys
like us that loved college sports and loved college basketball
we like. And his nickname, by the way back then
was Bubba Chuck. And I just remember I played against
Bubba Chuck. I had heard so much about him, but
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I'd never seen him play live until he watched tape
on him. It was really interesting. But I don't think
he was in college long enough, nor do they have
enough success. Nor was he the absolute breakthrough superstar at
in the Big East that people thought he would be,
partially because they had an ensemble cast and he was
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the best of them, partially because there were so many
other stars in the Big East at that time.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
And I brought up the ninety six AP All American
First Team and it is a who's who, and because
it is Ray Allen, it is Marcus Camby, who you
mentioned earlier, It is Carrie Kittles, it is Tim Duncan,
but it's also Alan Iverson, and I just think of
like of that five because we're practically the same age.
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The guy that people went crazy that I was around
was Iverson, like Allen was like, but Ray Allen was liked,
but people were going crazy for Iverson. I felt at
that time.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Yeah, maybe I Again, I probably didn't have a great
grasp of it nationally because I was in South Bend, Indiana.
I will tell you that that Yukon team was so good.
They had Deron Sheffer was their point guard. He was
like six ' five and for whatever reason, whoever reason.
So John mcclough was my coach. He's a old school
NBA coach, right, And like you know coaches, and now
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obviously being one, I try not be this, but they
get they really get caught into like one thing a
guy does that they feel like is a violation or
a foul. Right. So Deron Sheffer was big, and he'd
back you down the court and he'd carry the basketball, right,
he'd literally and this is back in. This is right
before they kind of cut down on the carrying in
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college basketball, and he would literally put his hand. But
he was so tall and he could just you could
get up on him defensively. And it was the first
year in college basketball they took out the five second
closely guarded rule. So he could dribble in the fun
court and just back you down and decide where he
wanted to pass the basketball. It was crazy, and my coach,
instead of like worrying about what we're doing defensively or
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we're doing offensively, he would just sit there and going
like Jim carrying the ball. That's all he kept like
muttering to himself, He's carrying the ball. Anyway, they had
dron Scheffer. Let me see if I can get this right,
Ray Allen. They had Travis Knight, who was a first
round draft pick. Right. They had Kirk King. Inside. Kirk King,
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I want to say he made like fifty two straight
field goals because all he did was shoot layups and dunks.
He was a monster monster. And then what was the
name of their starting small forward, Ricky Moore came out
the bench. He was a freshman like me. God, they
had a small forward who was really really talented, but
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just kind of like now, he'd be like a four
or five. Anyway, they were so good. Oh, they kicked
the hell out of us in stores. It was close
at our place, but that's because we just kind of
mugged it up and played slow and followed him and
got away with everything. But at their place it was bad.
I still think to beat us at I twenty at
their place, but it was like thirty at their place,
and they pressed the whole game. It was It was
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not fun, not fun cool to watch. So I remember
watching like I remember guarding dron s Sheffer and like
Ray Allen came down off of like a pin down
and caught the ball and like double pumped in airs
like two guys, and I just remember going like, that's
the best basketball player I've ever seen play against me.
He was so good. It was like an out of
body experiment, like, oh my god, he's so good because
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you know, like you do have this. I'm as pretty
highly touted high school player as a starter in the
Big East, and like you think you're pretty good, and
then you watch Ray Allen play like, wow, that's yeah,
I play with pulp Piers. He's really good. That guy
might be better. He's wow. He was really good. He
also had like crazy calves, crazy Ray and crazy Calves caves.
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(26:24):
last night. The Wizards are bad. Yeah, they're just they're bad.
There's just no real other way to describe it other
than they're bad, bad, bad bad. And they're actually coached
by a pretty good friend of mine, a guy who
Brian Keith, who played at u c R Vine and
(26:45):
then transferred. We played against each other at UNLV, longtime
NBA assistant got this job, and they just they're not
very good. Right. So it's a forty point game. And
remember the last time we saw Bronny, he got that
call up and and h JJ Reddick said it was
kind of unfair to him to fly him in the
day before the game, even though the team flew in
the night before the game and played a game that day,
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and said he put him in a bad spot and
he obviously didn't play very well and made some other
excuses formal. Bronny got back in last night. Keep in mind,
it's a forty point game. Forty point game, and he
did score one bucket on five attempts. And here was
the reaction from the crowd. Here he goes.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Listen to clown standing ovation, stand standing ovation.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
At that time, he did get the defender to rush
at him.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
And good absorbing, absorbing the contact and keeping your concentration
on the target.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
That's a real nice play by Bronnie.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
I just here's what's going to happen Jace two. I'll
say something. People go like your team goes in a row.
I have. I will say that my assistant coaches when
I said this summer, I don't know if he'd start
for me. He start for me, right, But he's not
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better than Anthony Roy He's just not. But but what
are we actually doing here? Like I've never seen this?
Maybe I have seen the NBA. This is the way
it used to be, right, used to have that one
guy on the end of the bench who was who
would sit there and wave the towel and occasionally get
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in the people. It was like the NBA's version of
a walk on. Now, I will tell you that there's
one guy who I know like that, who is a
great college player and ended up being a good starter
in the NBA. Scotty Brooks was like that with the
Philadelphia seventy six ers for a long time. Now, Scotty
had to grind, grind, grind, grind, grind to make it
to the NBA. Finally made it with both the six
First the six Ers, then the Rockets. You know, he
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actually get some chance to start. People don't remember Scotty
Brooks have twenty five a game at you see your vine?
Do you think you went to TCU at first transferred?
He's from Sacramento originally, But I what do you think
the standing ovation which I'm not sure was a standing ovation,
but people were cheering. What do you think that was about?
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Well, between the standing ovation, the chance of MVP by
the road crowd, and then this very patronizing part by
the analyst at the end, that's a real nice play
by Brodnie. It's like that's what you say to like,
I don't know, like a third grader and is like
pee wee basketball camp, Like everyone just seems to be
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rooting for this little little thing that could, little boy
that could, And I don't it just seems so patronizing.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
It is, And I don't, I don't know, do you
are we supposed to feel sympathy for him? Are we
supposed to be feel good for him? Are we supposed
to be give honest analysis? Like it's just such an
awkward place for us to be in, Like this is
an NBA team, I actually would get it if it
was the Wizards. You're six and forty. You need some
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reason for people to come to the game, right, some
guy who just wants it really really bad. Maybe he's
not that talented, but he wants it really really bad.
I mean, look, that's where we are. We're gonna win
games eventually, Okay, We're gonna get healthy, We're gonna win
some games, okay. But I do understand that when you're
not winning games, you want guys that are out there
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just playing their lower intestines off. That's reasonable. But the
LA Lakers have won seventeen NBA titles. In the rafters
when you go to Staples are some of the most
gigantic outside of Larry Bird, outside of Michael Jordan, outside
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of you know, you go to like three or four
other names, right, three or four other names in the
history of the sport. They've all played for the for
the Lakers. You're talking about Jerry West, who's the logo,
Will Chamberlain, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Lebron James. So like Kareem
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and Lebron, you're talking about the the two greatest scores
in the history of the NBA. Jerry West is the
logo of the NBA. Magic Johnson is in any actual
conversation of anybody who knows anything about the sport. You
want to do a litmus test for somebody who's like, hey,
this guy knows what he's talking about, they would say,
greatest players of all time? You better put Michael Jordan
on that list. I mean, so, you better put Magic
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Johnson on that list. And you got Kobe Bryant too,
He was pretty good. Shaquille O'Neil, he was pretty good.
So you Elgin Baylor, Gail Goodrich, James Worthy, Michael Cooper,
like you got the greats of all times. You've got
seventeen NBA titles, and you basically have a walk on
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the best player's kid playing for the team that feels
like Washington Wizard stuff, doesn't it? I again, I'm not.
I would. I dreamt my entire life of getting one
game in the NBA with my name across the back
of the jersey. And I'll tell you it's a drug man.
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You go and I was at the Summer League with
the Lakers one year, and you walk into their offices
and by like the second or third day, everybody knows
your name. They treat you so kindly. You get any
sports massage you want, you work out whatever you like.
You're like, you're on the summer league team. There's a
big roster, but they treat you like you're aker. They're awesome.
And you're walking down the hall and you see Kareem
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and you see Gail Goodrich and Jerry Weston, Kobe Bryant
Pictures and Magic Johnson Pictures and Byron Scott and Sedale
three and Flade Divac And then you go back and
you see you know, Jerry Weston, Wilt Chamberlain and Elgin
Baylor and you're like, oh my, what am I doing here?
And you realize, like this place is different. This is
the LA Lakers. And then in their practic facility you
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look up and uh, back then it was you know,
Mitch Kupcheck's office had all the trophies that they had
won in the window of the office to overlook. You're like,
the that's that's what we play for. And now you
have this which is frankly being patronized. People standing up
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and chanting MVP like it's a punchline to a joke
and it sucks for the kid, and like, look I
get it. I'm a dad my son struggling hoops. He's
a late bloomer, he's you know, there's some motivation stuff
that you want, like you want the world for him,
But forcing it is just and you can be a
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great dad. This is not taking away from like people say,
well he's a great dad. He's never in trouble, he's
always there for so he is. Those are wonderful attributes.
But like as a sports parent, he's forcing his way
onto an NBA roster and played him in the first
half against Philadelphia, and I look, I do think that Brownie.
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This is a lot like my situation. It's gonna make
him either make him or break him as a human being,
as a as a basketball player. But it is not
the optics that anyone outside of that sphere would want
to have.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
That's a real nice play by Bronni.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Has a real nice play by Bronnie. Oh my gosh,
he can make a make a layup in traffic.
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(35:17):
say game, yes, my team had a game against the
Golden Grizz of Oakland. We did lose. Playing without your
top two players as hard, but also if you give
up eighteen offensive rebounds, that's difficult as well. So congrats
the Golden Grizz. They got to win. We still have
to figure out how to rebound and be a little
bit tougher. But there was something else in regards to
(35:39):
college basketball. We had a damn by Your game yesterday
kind of I don't know if it went viral, but
it did kind of take off, didn't.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
It did not go viral, but there was some response
to it. When we drafted the stars that we remember
in college basketball, and it kind of comes off the
heels of Cooper Flag and the great month of January
that he's had, and I think that we would even
argue that I'm surprised it hasn't been a bigger story
in sports since we thought Cooper Flagg was just going
to be this amazing talent, which he has been, but
(36:11):
also get all the publicity in the world because he's
going to do He's seventeen years old, going to be
the number one pick in the NBA Draft, He's white,
the whole deal. We thought it was going to be
the biggest story in the world, the ESPN would run
with it, and yeah, has not happened. So we went
with the biggest stars, right, biggest stars in college basketball.
(36:32):
Zion Williamson was your number one overall pick, and from
our timeline, Larry Johnson was second by Jason I took
Patrick Ewing, and Iowa Sam took Caitlin Clark. Those were
our first four picks of who we drafted would be
the biggest stars that we remember in college basketball. And
then our second round took place and Sam took Doug McDermott.
(36:53):
I took Kenny Anderson, who retweeted our post. Jason Stewart
took Shack, and Doug You took Christian Laitner, and then
our segment ended because time ran out, but the response
that we got to some of the names that we
are missing. Embarrassed myself. I was embarrassed that and I
wouldn't trade my picks, but just in terms of the
names that we left out, and I got to give
(37:15):
props to Rob Griffith who tweeted us Carmelo Sampson and
Iverson as the three names that we left out, and
I can't believe I didn't think of either of them.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Alan Iverson was not one of the biggest names in
college basketball. He wasn't. I played against Alan Iverson. He
was awesome, He was so talented. He was not in
that year in college basketball. Again, in the context of
college basketball being a superstar, Alan Iverson was not one
of them. He just wasn't. What you know about basketball
(37:49):
in nineteen ninety six, guy, we played ninety five ninety six,
I played Notre Dame. It was Alan Iverson's sophomore year
at Georgetown. This is last season at Georgetown. He was
not one of He was not the biggest name. Did
people in basketball know he was? Was he a national
story because you know, football basketball incarcerated during his his
(38:16):
senior year in high school, so he didn't play Yeah, okay, yes,
of course, but the reality is he wasn't I disagree
with you. I think that's somebody looking back and pointing
something out that didn't actually exist. They're mis remembering history.
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Because Allen Iverson became a gigantic star in the NBA.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
I still think he was a big deal. And because
here's Georgetown, this program, this legacy program. We've had dominating
college basketball, you know, over the previous fifteen years, and
they were dominated by big men, and here comes this
six foot point guard. You know, a few years later
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after Alonzo morning in the kenby Mutumbo, and Georgetown was
back to national prominence. Now it may have been equal.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
I'm telling you, dude, I was. I was in the league.
I was in the Big East. Ray Allen was Ray.
Allen was a bigger name in the Big East that year.
Marcus Camby was a bigger name that year in college basketball.
Jock Vaughan was a point guard that was more known.
People thought that was it was all by tal making
Jock Vaughan. So I'm not disagreeing with you in terms
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of how talented.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
He was saved by Mark Dominic on hold, because I
would love to argue back at.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
We can argue back at this a look bit later
on the show, Let's welcome in Mark Dominic, former gentleal
manager the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and he joins us here
on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Uh, Mark,
there's a bunch of things I want to get into.
Let's let's start with some of these coaching hires. Now
that we're getting the dust is starting to settle. Brian Schottenheimer,
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your reaction, I was give.
Speaker 6 (40:03):
First time I know who Jock vonn is. Does that
counts well?
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Okay, maybe this is it. Okay because we're I think
you're a little older than me. But we did this
game yesterday. We were talking about the biggest names in
college basketball in our lifetime, and somebody pointed out to
Dan Byer, hey, how come he didn't mention Alan Iverson.
And my point was, I played against Alan Iverson. I
was in the Big East his second year in college.
(40:28):
He only played two years in college. He was a
big name in the basketball circus. He became a huge
name nationally in the NBA when he's the NBA's MVP
and the number one pick overall pick in the draft. Okay,
all of those things, but that year in college basketball,
he wasn't the biggest name. Again, I just I don't
know if you remember back did you know of Alan
(40:49):
Iverson that much when he was at Georgetown, to the
level of Christian Latner at Duke, to the level of
even Zion Williams and a Duke or are some of
the other names that we had, even Caitlin Clark and
Iowa last year.
Speaker 6 (41:03):
Yeah, I mean, I agree, I don't think I knew
Alan that way. I knew of Allen Iverson, but I
didn't have him going to the NBA having the career
had and having the notoriety he had. Sure didn't feel
like that in college, the same way as it felt
like some of other names that we just got en
grained in your head no matter what.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
Okay, Brian Schottenheimer, what's your reaction.
Speaker 6 (41:24):
Well, I mean, the first way I looked at this,
Doug is I think that the Cowboys and coach Mike
McCarthy kind of messed up. I think if they had
have parted ways amicably, meaning you know, Jerry Jones says, hey,
look he's going to go check out the market. We
want to look around in the market and we'll figure
this out. I think that there's a chance that could
have been reunited and it could have worked out, and
it could have saved faced for both of them. They didn't.
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They both decided to go separate ways and made it
very public so they couldn't go back together again. My
gut instinct is and again I don't know this, Doug.
I wonder if Mike Zimmer was bad because he did
not get the job and he decided moving out, and
because he's like, you could just keep Bryan got AMers
the OPPI the coordator, I'll be the head coach. Because
it's usually rare for coaches just to come in for
one year and then suddenly go, I don't want to
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be here anymore. I'm retiring. I'm going to walk away.
So and I think it rubbed some people the wrong way.
I like Brian, I'm known him for a while. Continuity
is everything. For Jerry Jones, I never thought Diane was
gonna be the head coach because that's not what Dean's
going to do, is coach against his son. We talked
about that, you know, I wait and see. I guess
everybody has to be a head coach at once sometime. First,
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I want to wait and see, because I still think
the Cowboys roster is pretty good and I just want
to see what Brian can do.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
I actually totally agree with you, and I again I
understand sometimes is continuity for continuity's sake, but continuity does
win a lot of times, especially when you're like, hey,
we're not that far off. I don't know, it's it's
it's gonna be fault. What happens in New Orleans. New
Orleans has been a bit of as it's been a
weird one.
Speaker 6 (42:52):
Yeah, I mean the problem with New Orleans and it
sounds like Kellen Moore is going to be the guy,
but it really the problem with New Orleans is is
not their car. It's the salary cap. In this day
and age where all these teams are with their salary cap,
New Orleans is like eighty five million dollars over the
cap already, and the next coast of teams like sixty
million dollars less than that. So you're not walking into
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a spot where you're trying to figure out the quarterback
assuming that car is going to stay. But then you're
also not going to be able to do a lot
to that roster and make many changes. It's all gonna
have to be through the draft and you're going to,
you know, make some tough calls and some of the
guys that are already there, there are pieces there that
you like. I mean, Chris A Lobby coming back next
year would be big. But I think that all I
think it's a salary cap was a big piece of
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the problem there when you looked at it from a
head coach and standpoint, and I think that's what it
made it less desirable. Although it's one of thirty two.
You know, we will see, but I think the salary
cap has to get back in control in Orange, so
that job to become more attractive.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
Stet Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the
voice of Mark Dominic. Of course, former general manager of
the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, kind of spend some time with
this year on the DG Show on Fox Sports Radio.
What do you think of the hire with the Jets?
Speaker 6 (44:08):
So I was a big believer that I think they
should have gone offense. I think that you know what,
he's gone a lot of defensive coaches and it's time
to you know, have a fun offense that with the
same coordinating and continuity like you just talked about a
year after year for the New York football fans, so
they don't, you know. But I love Aaron Glenn. I
think he's a really a very good football coach. I
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get the understanding of a homecoming back to the Jets,
and those kind of things make a lot of sense,
you know. Just you know. The interesting thing is the
thirty third team ran the search. I think they asked
over fifty people, between head coach and GMS, what would
you do at quarterback? I'd like to think they've got
a pretty good plan, but I'd really like to hear
what Aaron Glenn is because I think that that's really
the most pivotal part of this entire hire is what
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are you going to do at quarterback? And how are
you going to solve it in twenty twenty five or
twenty twenty six? And you know, that's not an easy question.
But I think we'll get an answer fairly quickly, because
I don't think Aaron Glenn's going to mess around Aaron
Rodgers and sit there and say we'll see in October
or excuse me, order like in May or April. I
think you're going to find out pretty quick.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Okay, did Chicago make the right move.
Speaker 6 (45:13):
I think they did. I mean, look, Ben is, you know,
one of the best or better offensive minds right now
based off of what he was able to do. Now,
that's a really good roster Detroit. You got to give
Brad Holmes the GM there and Dan Campbell credit for
you know, having those different weapons and then tho that
the Bears have some weapons. I just again we talked
about this even before the draft and going into the
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rookie year. I was a Jade Daniels guy over Caleb
and I still am, and I just I don't know
where Caleb is going to be in terms of you know,
how bad does he love it? And that's going to
be the key critical piece. But I think the hires
right because it gets everybody on that side of the
ball the thought that we can be something better, and
that's just that that motivation of what we can become.
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Hopefully we'll help this team kind of start to find
its way and hopefull k the quarterback that the Bears
fans believe in and think he'll be because we saw
the impact with some of these rookies this year and
you know this class, Doug looks like they're all good.
Drake may gave me a lot of confidence down the stretch.
Panics looked good down the stretch. You know, obviously bo
Nicks did well. We don't know about JJ, but you know,
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that's an impressive class when usually two or three of
them end up not being good enough, all of them
look pretty good.
Speaker 1 (46:24):
Right now, Let's let's let's take a deep breath and
look back at the Bill's game against the Chiefs before
we get to some of the calls. What about the
play calling. What did you think of Buffalo's style of
attack against Kansay Chiefs.
Speaker 6 (46:44):
Well, I think that they should have gotten the ball
to James Cook Moore. James is running really well, right Doug.
I mean I thought he was, you know, being explosive,
dynamic with the ball in his hands. And this was
a close game, so it didn't have to be where
James was limited to how many touches he had. That's
one thing I looked back and said, you know, I'd
like I'd like to have given him the ball maybe
a little more frequently looking back at it in terms
of the play calling and what happened, especially on that
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you know, you know, fourth and one. To me, you
push push it the right way and you get everybody
settled and you get everything set. And I know it's
in Kansas City and that's a lot harder to do
than when when you're at home. But if you can,
if you can get that thing lined up, when you've
got a Josh Allen, it's pretty hard to stop a
one yard run. And whether or not he got it
or didn't get it, you know the thing that everybody
(47:29):
says as well, you know Buffalo could have won the game.
Yeah they could have, but the Chiefs would have got
the ball back and we've seen Patrick Mahomes being with
thirteen seconds. So it was a bummer in my house.
You know, I've got a build mafia member is my
youngest daughter, so it was not a happy house. But
you know, the rest of the house are Chiefs fans,
so it's an up divided here.
Speaker 1 (47:47):
Okay, what about the call, Like, I don't know, I mean,
it doesn't really matter what side you're on. You just
want the right calls to be made. I just I
just feel like it's indefensible, like the oh is clearly
over the line to gain. I don't know why it
was made to be so difficult.
Speaker 6 (48:05):
I don't either. And there's the one thing that I've
always struggled with us, how referees and even the guys
in the boxes that they tell us what they think
is going to happen, how much that they don't like
to change the spot of the foul on the field
that they don't have to. And that's kind of like
because that's such a terrible way to look at it,
because I think we all just want it right, like
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you're saying, And you know, when you watch a football
game and you watch these officials and it's hard to do.
But when they just mark the ball and you've got
two officials on two different sides of the ball marking
it differently, someone saw it one way, someone saw the other,
and you're just going to go with whichever one you want,
or who is closer to the side of the ball.
I mean, it's it's it's disappointed. But you can't do
a chip. You can't do little things. I think a
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lot of people think because when you're in a scrummer
a pile and you've got a chip in the ball,
you know you can lose that ball, you know, and
it was two inches and now something it's the first
down if you just use the marker not knowing it's
the players down or not. So sadly, there's human nature,
they're human error, but they should take the time to
get it right. And I think that one should have
been looked at multiple times and say, hey, let's let's
really stop this ball correctly.
Speaker 1 (49:06):
What do you make of the Eagles heading in the
Super Bowl where all they should be doing is celebrating
and even from Jalen Hurrshi Yet while they took the
straight jacket off me, meaning he feels like he was
held back by his own play caller, there's still that
level of dysfunction when the NFC champions, which strikes me
as odd. How does it strike you?
Speaker 6 (49:28):
Yeah? I think so too, you know, because I think
Jalen has been so frustrated with the amount of criticisms
he's taken through this season while all he's doing is
delivering victories with the Eagles going forward. And you know,
I thought when Jalen was down for a minute, you know,
the Eagles offense didn't quite look the same. No one
stops sa Quon Barkley all year, and I don't think
that Kansas City is going to truly stop Sakuon Barkley,
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but Jalen is a big piece of it. I think
he's just it's been an emotional season of frustrated season.
It's kind of like a little bit of that Rodney
Dangerfield look of like, look, I'm not get any respect here.
It's all about Caleb. It's all about you know, Saquon Barkley,
It's all about you know, our defense, It's all about
you know whatever. And then so hopefully you can write
it out in a week and change, we will see
(50:11):
this so that EU can maybe have a Rocky two
moment instead of in Rocky where they lost. Maybe it's
a Rocky two moment and they beat the Chiefs the
second time around.
Speaker 1 (50:25):
How the Chiefs done this? I mean it's it's really
simple to say, well, they have Andy Reid, they have
Pat Mahomes. But there's a lot there's a lot of
great coaches, great quarterbacks. But the level of consistency to
getting here, the variants in styles, right, you start when
they first got to the Super Bowls. Now you know
it was all offense. Now it's all defense and just
enough offense. They've done it so many different ways. As
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a guy who tried to build teams. How have they
built this roster, this franchise to withstand so many departures
and so many different styles.
Speaker 6 (50:59):
Yeah, I think they have focused on the offensive line.
And you know a couple of years back when they
lost the Tampa that offensive line was in the shambles
and just couldn't couldn't do it, and they really kind
of refocused on the offensive line to make sure that
whatever way they play, they can still win. Uh. And
so you know Joe Thuni who's been mister everything, left guard,
left tackle, things like that make a big difference on
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the defensive side. You know, they have they've seen when
they're when they have just enough talent, especially in that
secondary where they can let go of la Jerry Sneed
and know that they still feel like they're good enough
with you know, the Jalen Watson who's now back and
has been there for the playoff games. It's it's a
team that I think when you look at them, the
experience at the head coach and obviously the coordinator being
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head coaches before and knowing how to set a game
plan to win that game. Not this is what we're
going to do this season, now, this is how we're
going to win this game this week. I think that's
what the Chiefs had done the best of anybody, and
they've been consistently doing it because they know that there's
weaknesses within this team, but if they can find a
way to exploit the other team's weakness or not or
(52:05):
masks theirs, so they can stay within these one core
games that they've been able to do all season long,
and so that's been I think the special thing for
the Chiefs this season is they're finding ways to win
the game that's in front of them and not worried
about what it looks like the next week until they
start the game plan for that one.
Speaker 1 (52:19):
Circling back when Mark Dominic, former gentle manager the Tampa
Bay Buccaneers, joined US Weekly here on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
You know, we had so many years, the last couple
of years of McVeigh clones getting jobs. Is there a
trend that's developed this year through this hiring cycle?
Speaker 6 (52:39):
Oh yeah, I don't know if I feel that, you know,
I would sit there and as you kind of look
through the different spots, it's been fairly balanced with a
Ray Bowl and a Glenn versus you know, you know,
the offensive you know, the Brian Schottenheimer's or whatever. In
terms of the offensive side, we've got Pete Carroll out there,
So that's kind of the one that they're trying to change.
(53:01):
The culture at the Race. I don't feel it like
I don't feel this year as much as you had before. Obviously,
when you have success, people want to steal your assistance
to Detroit is an easy one they, you know, and
they've been fortunate to be able to be ready for this,
you know, for a year. But I think this year
was more of just like trying to find the right
fit for what you're trying to do. And so that's
where I look at, like, you know, whether or not
you like to pee Carroll higher at the Raiders, they're
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really trying to switch out that culture of that building
and trying to really kind of say, hey, look we're
going to we'll have a succession plan in place, but
we've got to get kind of the mindset different in
this place. And I think the same thing, we're rable
even though you know, with Josh McDaniels and things like that,
there's a lot of that old Patriot way coming back
in that building, but there's so much ingrained in Bill
Belichick in that building, and they've got to make it
a little bit more loose. And that's where variable with
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the sarcasm and things like that, will become a will
kind of loosen up that building as they kind of
go along. So I think each team was kind of
individually saying, we got to get Caleb Williams right, We've
got to bring Aaron Glenn back to kind of reset
this team into somebody that the fans love and had
a lot of respect for. So I think each team
attacked it from that perpective instead of saying, hey, let's
go get another offensive player or another offensive coach from
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Shanahan or McVay.
Speaker 1 (54:06):
Well, we'll see you next week in New Orleans. And again,
it's been another spectacular year with you giving us the
real insight into the NFL. Mark, thanks so much for
joining us. Safe travels, and we'll we'll see you down
in Nola.
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It's really interesting on how I feel like there are
times in which opinions I've had have been typecast as
you are this, and you're that, you're politically aligned with this,
politically aligned with that. Here's where I think Jay stew
and I actually come to in a I think, uh,
we're we're a line, and Jason, if we're not, it's okay.
(01:08):
But I consider myself a radical centrist and what does
that mean? That means I don't have to agree with
one side, and you just go like, well, I'm a
Democrat because I believe in this, or I'm a Republican,
and then I have to believe in everything Democrats believe it,
or I'm a Republican because I believe in this and everything. Right,
A radical centrist is like just basically a free thinker.
(01:30):
And there are parts of every side that I like,
and there are parts of both sides. I'm like, I
don't like either of those arguments. They're way too extreme.
I'm right in the middle. Radical centrist, Chase Doo, are
you anywhere? And you're there?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
I don't know radical centrist. I know you like that term,
but I think that it's it's not okay to be
somewhere in the middle because you have to choose a team.
In this day and.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Age, you have not have to choose a team.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
I'm just saying that. I'm saying in order to fit
in with people, you need to choose a team. If
you have views that are on both sides of the
political spectrum, people don't know how to put you in
a box that makes them uncomfortable and that that that
that's kind of where I'm at.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Okay, you make people uncomfortable, I do, I do. I agree. Okay,
So whatever you want to call yourself, I call myself
a radical centrist. You want to call yourself a radical extremist,
I don't know. Okay, but here's here's the point. Okay.
I made this point about hiring black coaches a couple
of years ago, and it was specifically around the Eric
(02:38):
b Enemy thing, right, which you have smartly pointed out
time and again that hey, as anybody has said, d
G was right on this one. And my point was
then that in the National Football League there is only
one agenda. There's one thing that keeps everybody employed, and
that's winning football games. And if you think for one
second that these multi multi multime millionaires, many of them billionaires,
(03:01):
who own parts of or all of NFL teams, for
anyone I can care about the color of somebody's skin
in coaching a football team instead of who actually cauld
help them win games. I don't think you've paid attention.
You definitely haven't talked to anybody in the NFL. They
legit don't care. Legit, they just want to win. Because
when you win, everybody gets paid more money, everybody stays
(03:23):
gamefully employed, and if you're an owner, you get to
get to the super Bowl. You get to rub elbows
with all of the other rich people that you see
at the super Bowl. That's the reality of it. I
bring that up because I heard these I heard these
comments from Troy Aikman, and I had a thought that
is good. So again, what the reason I say I'm
radical centrist is because people think that that opinion makes
(03:43):
me like I'm some staunch Republican anti DEI like, no,
I'm just telling you the reality of this particular business
I can't get I try to not talk about finance,
about stocks. Right. My old high school coach is a
great junior college coach, Andy Ground. He was with us
(04:04):
for like two weeks and helped give just incredible advice
for me in terms of coaching. And he's now retired.
He lives in Las Vegas, and he's given me stock
tips and I'm like, how do you know all this stuff?
He's like, this is what I researched, this is what
I paid attention to the last ten years. I've just
really really invested in my own in my family's future,
(04:25):
and this is what I study. And these are the
podcasts I listened to it, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Okay,
that's great. I don't give people financial advice outside of
just don't buy stupid stuff, right, like, don't buy stupid stuff,
eat at home, live a healthy lifestyle. You'll live longer.
Like again, that's all I can tell you. If you
can't pay off your credit card bill on a monthly basis,
(04:46):
you're buying too much stuff. But I don't give people
invest in this and why, cause that's I don't know
what I'm talking about. Those aren't things that I've researched.
So I'm not some staunch Republican. I'm just telling me
who tells you the reality of the business football, which
is they just want to win games? Okay, So what
is the lifeblood of the nation FOOTBA league? Why is
(05:08):
the National Football League the most popular American sport by
a mile by a mile? And Jason, You've pointed this
out time and again, and I've come around to agreeing
mostly with you. I do think we look back at
other great games and we think they were all spectacular
with highlights, and they weren't there's plenty of ugly football games.
(05:29):
Right when the Ravens beat the Giants to win the
Super Bowl in two thousand, that was an ugly football game.
Ugly football game. We remember back of everything being better
than it is now. It's how we work, it's our
brain works. That's why the Make America Great thing really
makes us think that everything was better in yesteryear. It's
(05:49):
brilliant because it preys on our psyche as human beings.
But you have pointed out that the quality of the
sport is not nearly what the reputation of the sport is.
Is that fair? Like you call it the Zubropa It's
like the Zuropa Tour, right.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Yeah, yeah, that has a lengthy explanation. But I will
say this, the quality of play undoubtedly has gone down
the last couple of years, and more and more loud
voices are actually admitting it. And how it pertains to
gambling is this. This is what I've always said, because
so many people gamble on games, so many people have
fantasy interest in the games that they're the league is
(06:27):
not motivated to improve the quality of play because the
money's still coming in on every platform. Like yesterday, they
released the news that concussions are down seventeen percent, and
my first thought, oh, great, that means they're not going
to make it a mandatory for people to practice more
correct right, and the quality of plays all that, all the.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Things that people don't like. Okay, they don't hit anymore,
they don't practice anymore, it's not sharp. It's not that
those are going to continue because they're worried about the concussions.
They're worried about more lawsuits. You're right, quality of play
is going to continue to suffer, and you're still not
You're not gonna be able to lay a hand at
all on a quarterback. And the kickoff rule, whatever you
(07:09):
think of it, it's going to stay because all of
these things are what they believe. That seventeen percent decrease
the number concussions our results in some form of fashion
of all these new rules. But then I heard what
Troy Aikman had to say about gambling and the Chiefs,
and it brought to my mind something that needs to
(07:30):
be said. Here's Troy yesterday.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
The league is in partners with a number of these
gambling services. So here you are promoting gambling. People are
gambling more than they ever had before, and those types
of calls. There's a lot at stake regardless, but especially
when you're considering there's a lot of money that's changing
hands with these calls as well. So I think that
we owe it to the fans that we get it right,
(07:54):
and I think we're at a point in time where
we can we can get it more right. That was
really my position and just trying to lean on the
NFL and say, hey, you know, we've got to fix this.
We've got to address it in the off season.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
So here's my thought, and it doesn't necessarily pertain to Troy,
because Troy wants he wants to do the impossible, and
the impossible is getting something perfect that is imperfect. Getting
something perfect is imperfect. One example I like to use
(08:33):
is that ninety seven percent. Ninety seven percent is the
threshold for being a fact. Scientifically, science leaves this three percent, dile,
one percentile, whatever it is as the possibility that they
got it wrong. And people want things to be one
hundred percent, and nothing is one hundred percent. It's just
(08:55):
not it's not the way it works. With really smart people,
they leave a percent percentage out for I don't know,
there could be some act of God or some random
thing that makes it so that it's not one hundred
percent true or just that's what a scientific fact is
at ninety seven percent. We want this game to be perfect,
it's not. We want the officiating to be perfect, it's not.
(09:17):
Do you know how long it would take to review
every penalty to make sure they got every penalty on
every play called. It would be just incredibly tedious to watch.
But the other side to it is there is this
because we are a nation of conspiracy theorists. Right, you
have a president who is a conspiracy theorist. You have
(09:41):
potentially the guy who's going to run the HHS is
a conspiracy theorist. Like these people have come into power,
it's now empowered conspiracy theorists to believe that these conspiracies
are infactrum There is a conspiracy theory out there that
says that they want the NFL wants the Chiefs to
be in Super Bowl, Sam, you, Jay, Stu, Dan Byer,
(10:04):
Would you guys agree with that that there is a
theory out there that the NFL is wanting for the
Chiefs to be in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
There, yes, so many thinks that yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Let me tell you why. That is maybe the dumbest
thing any human being can ever utter. And when they
say these things to you, you say, just before I
have this reaction, I want to know, do you really
actually believe that? And if they say yes, here should
be your response. Can any human Can anyone keep a secret? Nowadays?
(10:37):
Can anyone? And the answer is, for the most part no, no. Right,
So with social media, with Reddit, with all kinds of
different things you can take your name off of, we
learned things about people we didn't even want to know.
So in order for this to happen, I would say
at minimum, at minimum one hundred people would have to
(10:58):
know about this conspiracy. Right, you have the officials, and
you have NFL officials. And it's not as simple as
those NFL officials talk to the officials and say, hey,
make this happen. They would be all of the family
members of those officials. There would be other ancillary people
in the NFL's headquarters and all different sorts of people
(11:21):
in between. And even if there were only ten people
who knew on the face of the earth, the idea
that ten people could keep it a secret is laughable.
And if and as Troy pointed out smartly, not only
do people gamble on the NFL, That's why the NFL
is the most popular sport American sports. It's the easiest
to gamble on. Right. Fantasy sports has been around for
(11:42):
years with baseball, but football it's way easier because there's
not one hundred and six two games. It's being gambling
between the way it's on TV, how easy it is
to consume, how there's a fairly limited number teams as
opposed to college football. Like, all of those things make
it so it's the number one sport in America. But
(12:02):
the big part of the lifeblood of it is we
gamble on it. And if you're no longer a true sport,
if you're an entertainment industry like the WWE, if the
outcome is predetermined, you can't gamble on it. And that
would cost them essentially everything they're worth. All of the
(12:23):
franchise values, which are in the five plus million dollar range,
would cut at least in half, maybe even more so
if it was that's what they would be risking. Now
I ask you this, and I want to be serious,
be serious, just like we talked about the Eric b
Enemy thing. In order to buy an NFL team. You
(12:45):
have to have some sort of business acumen, and many,
especially the new owners, are brilliant in business. Do you
think any of them who continue to use the NFL
and the earnings of the NFL as an essential ATM
for their fan friends, do you think any of them
would say, Hey, is it worth the risk of cutting
(13:05):
our franchise values in half or maybe in thirds, or
maybe even lower than that, just so the Chiefs could
get to the Super Bowl. I don't know if that's
radical centrist, but that's just the reality talking. So my
point is that if you are one of these people
that thinks the NFL is rigged in any way, I
(13:28):
want you to think about that. Think about what it
would mean to the NFL if they got caught rigging
the NFL, if they got caught forcing the Chiefs to
be in the Super Bowl. Do I think it was
a blown call on fourth down? Yes? Do I think
it was atrocious? Absolutely? The officiating was beyond awful. Does
it seem to help the Chiefs?
Speaker 5 (13:49):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (13:50):
It does. Do I think it's a league mandate to
get the Chiefs in the Super Bowl? I don't if
that's radical centrist territory. If me telling you you're a
dumb dumb for believing the conspiracy theories on social media
that somehow tell you the Chiefs are preordained to be
in Super Bowl. You need to consider what it would
do to the league as a whole, what it would
(14:11):
do to gambling on the league, which is the lifeblood
of sports. And if you still believe that, now we
can no longer have a conversation because you're you're a
You're a mouth breather who will believe anything that you
read on social media.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
This is the best of the dun Dot Leap Show
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
What Up without You do Gatlab Show, Fox Sports Radio,
iHeartRadio app Welcome in. Mm mmmmmm mmmmmm. Jase, you've got
some housekeeping it do?
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, before you before you go on on
Browny and stuff. And I will say this, I've looked
at the metrics. Anytime you talk about Brownie, it goes crazy.
So the dynamic of a you know, current head basketball
coach talking about Bronnie makes for great content. So I
I sometimes looks like to the listeners like I'm shoehorning
(15:09):
Bronnie content into the show. And there is a reason
for that. It's a metric thing. It's uh, it's a
measurement thing.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
But we're we're playing to the metrics that we're doing.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Yeah, we're it's it's good business.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
We are we doing We're doing it for the clicks.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Yep, Okay, I fully admit that. But before we get
to Bronnie, Yeah, there's some house cleaning to do. One
one of one of the items happened at the very
end of last hour, and the other one happened at
the beginning of the second segment. You and Dan need
to finish your conversation about Alan Iverson. Dan never quite
(15:44):
had the platform to respond. And then but first, as
we're going out of this first hour, I said, when
Dan said, what about Syracuse and Georgetown is an all
time rivalry, I said, hell yes. And I said, Derek
Coleman v. De Kembe Mtumbo, and you gave me some
condescending like I don't think they played against each other.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Did they play each other?
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Of course they did. This is I remember.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Alonzo mourning, okay, because Alonso was by himself and then
to Kemba joined him at some point in time, and
they were they were in the same front court. I
know that Derek Coleman's I only know his first year, okay,
and Dan knows why I know his first year? Tell him, Dan,
we again, we both know what his freshman year was.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Yeah, the National championship game.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Right, he missed the front end of a one on
one and they lost in the Keith Smart jumps shot
in nineteen eighty seven in New Orleans. So his first
year was eighty six eighty seven. And I think DC
played three years at Syracuse? Is that right?
Speaker 2 (16:50):
You're doing the math for literally just remember him playing
against Mtumbo. I there are very few things that I'm
very knowledgeable about in sports, and they're very random. If
you're talking eighties Syracuse or nineties Syracuse, it's hard to
match my knowledge.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
And that okay. So he played four years, right, did
Camba Utumbo? And then the Caamin Mutembo at Georgetown?
Speaker 4 (17:17):
And there's visual proof.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
The visual proof they played against There was.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
A trading card. The trading card just one of like
the Kevin Mutumbo and I think he's guarding Derek Coleman
in it.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
What years of what years of Delate di Camin Mutembo
play at I again, I'm asking this because I don't
I don't.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Remember Tumble played three seasons, starting in the eighty eight
eighty nine season and played through the ninety ninety one
So they.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Played two years against each other, at minimum four games,
maybe even six games they played in All right, I
stay corrected. I was wrong, you're.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Right, Thank you, You're welcome.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
And Dougne I think, yeah, Well, just to clear up
my end of it, I don't think I I will
I will, I will come closer to your argument of
Alan Iverson and maybe not being the superstar that Carmelo
was in two thousand and three. And I think Carmelo's
name really helps because it's just mellow, It's Carmelo, it's
(18:13):
the freshman.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
I I one national championship.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Yeah yeah, but that's also that also caps off what
he was leading to it, but the run and the
whole deal, and he's just there one season. So because
you made a point about Ray Allen that I would
agree with, and Yukon and Georgetown played one of the
legendary Big East Championship games that season. Georgetown also had
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Victor Page on that team, and it was the Victor
Page Jaheiti White.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
They had, they had Junkyard Dog, Jerome Williams, they had
Bubakar al Or they had a squad.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
But I think it was it was Iverson and Page
where they were the headliners. And I don't think like
I think the Kansas. The Kansas team, those teams back
then were so good with you mentioned Jacques Vaughn, but
Raife La friends, your buddy, Paul Pierce, Scott Pollard, you know,
like they were. They were a great, great team. But
in terms of individual stars, yeah, maybe Iverson didn't really
(19:16):
truly become the absolute icon until the NBA. I think
that is a fair fair point. But I do think
that he was popular in college, but maybe not to
the level of what Carmelo was.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Listen, I'm gonna tell you this about that Georgetown team.
First of all, they had the coolest uniforms ever. Okay,
I want you to picture this because and and Dan,
I'm sure you can pull it up. Okay. It was
like a denim sort of look right, and then they
had this almost camo Nike denhim and then camo down
the side. And then they wore the Jordans with the
(19:52):
which Jordans were there.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
I think they're the thirteens, and that's out of my wheelhouse.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
So it was the thirteen they were. They were the ones. Yeah,
which ones were they? They weren't the thirteen. Somebody somebody
else tweet us what they are. They had the cool
Jordans with the what's the glossy underside called she was
that called them? Not not Matt Anyway, I'm telling you
those those George. First of all, they had like these
iconic Nike uniforms and Nike Air Jordans. They looked cool
(20:23):
and they were rough and tumble. They did this thing.
We played them twice and the very first time down
the court, you'd get the ball, you'd make a pass
and they would all do like a forearm shiver to
your chest and you call one foul and they'd like
stare over you like you play in Georgetown. Like they
were tougher than hell. And we were actually competitive against
them both times. But my point was kind of what
(20:46):
you got to at the end, which is we do
look back on him and be like, oh, well, he
was an icon very number one pick, and then he
had the answer shoes, those rebox shoes. But in college
at that time, at that time, Georgetown wasn't they were
one of four awesome teams in the Big East. Okay,
Syracuse was like the fourth best team that went the
(21:08):
national Championship game. Carrie Kittles was probably as big a
name in college at Villanova, they were like the number
two ranked team in the country, and Yukon was number
one much of the year. Georgetown was right in there
as well, and they had a star studed lineup. The
point was that these other guys were talking about were
the guy like I would actually say Big Country was
(21:29):
a bigger college name than Alan Iverson was just because
he was white guy. He had this great nickname. He
was in the Big Eight. You know, they were kind
of the they along with Kansas, where all anybody talked
about that year, right, like Big Country was a huge
name in college basketball. He just didn't turn out to
be a very good pro and Allen iversondn't turned out
(21:50):
to be an NBA MVP and a Hall of Famer.
And we look back at college and you're right he was.
He did have this kind of cult dish like guys
like us that loved college sports and loved college basketball
we like. And his nickname, by the way back then
was Bubba Chuck. And I just remember I played against
Bubba Chuck. I had heard so much about him, but
(22:10):
I'd never seen him play live until he watched tape
on him. It was really interesting. But I don't think
he was in college long enough, nor do they have
enough success. Nor was he the absolute breakthrough superstar at
in the Big East that people thought he would be,
partially because they had an ensemble cast and he was
(22:32):
the best of them, partially because there were so many
other stars in the Big East at that time.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
And I brought up the ninety six AP All American
First Team and it is a who's who, and because
it is Ray Allen, it is Marcus Camby, who you
mentioned earlier, It is Carrie Kittles, it is Tim Duncan,
but it's also Alan Iverson, and I just think of
like of that five because we're practically the same age.
(22:57):
The guy that people went crazy that I was around
was Iverson, like Allen was like, but Ray Allen was liked,
but people were going crazy for Iverson. I felt at
that time.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Yeah, maybe I Again, I probably didn't have a great
grasp of it nationally because I was in South Bend, Indiana.
I will tell you that that Yukon team was so good.
They had Deron Sheffer was their point guard. He was
like six ' five and for whatever reason, whoever reason.
So John mcclough was my coach. He's a old school
NBA coach, right, And like you know coaches, and now
(23:32):
obviously being one, I try not be this, but they
get they really get caught into like one thing a
guy does that they feel like is a violation or
a foul. Right. So Deron Sheffer was big, and he'd
back you down the court and he'd carry the basketball, right,
he'd literally and this is back in. This is right
before they kind of cut down on the carrying in
(23:52):
college basketball, and he would literally put his hand. But
he was so tall and he could just you could
get up on him defensively. And it was the first
year in college basketball they took out the five second
closely guarded rule. So he could dribble in the fun
court and just back you down and decide where he
wanted to pass the basketball. It was crazy, and my coach,
instead of like worrying about what we're doing defensively or
(24:15):
we're doing offensively, he would just sit there and going
like Jim carrying the ball. That's all he kept like
muttering to himself, He's carrying the ball. Anyway, they had
dron Scheffer. Let me see if I can get this right,
Ray Allen. They had Travis Knight, who was a first
round draft pick. Right. They had Kirk King. Inside. Kirk King,
(24:35):
I want to say he made like fifty two straight
field goals because all he did was shoot layups and dunks.
He was a monster monster. And then what was the
name of their starting small forward, Ricky Moore came out
the bench. He was a freshman like me. God, they
had a small forward who was really really talented, but
(24:55):
just kind of like now, he'd be like a four
or five. Anyway, they were so good. Oh, they kicked
the hell out of us in stores. It was close
at our place, but that's because we just kind of
mugged it up and played slow and followed him and
got away with everything. But at their place it was bad.
I still think to beat us at I twenty at
their place, but it was like thirty at their place,
and they pressed the whole game. It was It was
(25:15):
not fun, not fun cool to watch. So I remember
watching like I remember guarding dron s Sheffer and like
Ray Allen came down off of like a pin down
and caught the ball and like double pumped in airs
like two guys, and I just remember going like, that's
the best basketball player I've ever seen play against me.
He was so good. It was like an out of
body experiment, like, oh my god, he's so good because
(25:38):
you know, like you do have this. I'm as pretty
highly touted high school player as a starter in the
Big East, and like you think you're pretty good, and
then you watch Ray Allen play like, wow, that's yeah,
I play with pulp Piers. He's really good. That guy
might be better. He's wow. He was really good. He
also had like crazy calves, crazy Ray and crazy Calves caves.
(26:00):
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(26:24):
last night. The Wizards are bad. Yeah, they're just they're bad.
There's just no real other way to describe it other
than they're bad, bad, bad bad. And they're actually coached
by a pretty good friend of mine, a guy who
Brian Keith, who played at u c R Vine and
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then transferred. We played against each other at UNLV, longtime
NBA assistant got this job, and they just they're not
very good. Right. So it's a forty point game. And
remember the last time we saw Bronny, he got that
call up and and h JJ Reddick said it was
kind of unfair to him to fly him in the
day before the game, even though the team flew in
the night before the game and played a game that day,
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and said he put him in a bad spot and
he obviously didn't play very well and made some other
excuses formal. Bronny got back in last night. Keep in mind,
it's a forty point game. Forty point game, and he
did score one bucket on five attempts. And here was
the reaction from the crowd. Here he goes.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Listen to clown standing ovation, stand standing ovation.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
At that time, he did get the defender to rush
at him.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
And good absorbing, absorbing the contact and keeping your concentration
on the target.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
That's a real nice play by Bronnie.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
I just here's what's going to happen Jace two. I'll
say something. People go like your team goes in a row.
I have. I will say that my assistant coaches when
I said this summer, I don't know if he'd start
for me. He start for me, right, But he's not
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better than Anthony Roy He's just not. But but what
are we actually doing here? Like I've never seen this?
Maybe I have seen the NBA. This is the way
it used to be, right, used to have that one
guy on the end of the bench who was who
would sit there and wave the towel and occasionally get
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in the people. It was like the NBA's version of
a walk on. Now, I will tell you that there's
one guy who I know like that, who is a
great college player and ended up being a good starter
in the NBA. Scotty Brooks was like that with the
Philadelphia seventy six ers for a long time. Now, Scotty
had to grind, grind, grind, grind, grind to make it
to the NBA. Finally made it with both the six
First the six Ers, then the Rockets. You know, he
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actually get some chance to start. People don't remember Scotty
Brooks have twenty five a game at you see your vine?
Do you think you went to TCU at first transferred?
He's from Sacramento originally, But I what do you think
the standing ovation which I'm not sure was a standing ovation,
but people were cheering. What do you think that was about?
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Well, between the standing ovation, the chance of MVP by
the road crowd, and then this very patronizing part by
the analyst at the end, that's a real nice play
by Brodnie. It's like that's what you say to like,
I don't know, like a third grader and is like
pee wee basketball camp, Like everyone just seems to be
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rooting for this little little thing that could, little boy
that could, And I don't it just seems so patronizing.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
It is, And I don't, I don't know, do you
are we supposed to feel sympathy for him? Are we
supposed to be feel good for him? Are we supposed
to be give honest analysis? Like it's just such an
awkward place for us to be in, Like this is
an NBA team, I actually would get it if it
was the Wizards. You're six and forty. You need some
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reason for people to come to the game, right, some
guy who just wants it really really bad. Maybe he's
not that talented, but he wants it really really bad.
I mean, look, that's where we are. We're gonna win
games eventually, Okay, We're gonna get healthy, We're gonna win
some games, okay. But I do understand that when you're
not winning games, you want guys that are out there
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just playing their lower intestines off. That's reasonable. But the
LA Lakers have won seventeen NBA titles. In the rafters
when you go to Staples are some of the most
gigantic outside of Larry Bird, outside of Michael Jordan, outside
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of you know, you go to like three or four
other names, right, three or four other names in the
history of the sport. They've all played for the for
the Lakers. You're talking about Jerry West, who's the logo,
Will Chamberlain, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Lebron James. So like Kareem
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and Lebron, you're talking about the the two greatest scores
in the history of the NBA. Jerry West is the
logo of the NBA. Magic Johnson is in any actual
conversation of anybody who knows anything about the sport. You
want to do a litmus test for somebody who's like, hey,
this guy knows what he's talking about, they would say,
greatest players of all time? You better put Michael Jordan
on that list. I mean, so, you better put Magic
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Johnson on that list. And you got Kobe Bryant too,
He was pretty good. Shaquille O'Neil, he was pretty good.
So you Elgin Baylor, Gail Goodrich, James Worthy, Michael Cooper,
like you got the greats of all times. You've got
seventeen NBA titles, and you basically have a walk on
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the best player's kid playing for the team that feels
like Washington Wizard stuff, doesn't it? I again, I'm not.
I would. I dreamt my entire life of getting one
game in the NBA with my name across the back
of the jersey. And I'll tell you it's a drug man.
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You go and I was at the Summer League with
the Lakers one year, and you walk into their offices
and by like the second or third day, everybody knows
your name. They treat you so kindly. You get any
sports massage you want, you work out whatever you like.
You're like, you're on the summer league team. There's a
big roster, but they treat you like you're aker. They're awesome.
And you're walking down the hall and you see Kareem
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and you see Gail Goodrich and Jerry Weston, Kobe Bryant
Pictures and Magic Johnson Pictures and Byron Scott and Sedale
three and Flade Divac And then you go back and
you see you know, Jerry Weston, Wilt Chamberlain and Elgin
Baylor and you're like, oh my, what am I doing here?
And you realize, like this place is different. This is
the LA Lakers. And then in their practic facility you
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look up and uh, back then it was you know,
Mitch Kupcheck's office had all the trophies that they had
won in the window of the office to overlook. You're like,
the that's that's what we play for. And now you
have this which is frankly being patronized. People standing up
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and chanting MVP like it's a punchline to a joke
and it sucks for the kid, and like, look I
get it. I'm a dad my son struggling hoops. He's
a late bloomer, he's you know, there's some motivation stuff
that you want, like you want the world for him,
But forcing it is just and you can be a
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great dad. This is not taking away from like people say,
well he's a great dad. He's never in trouble, he's
always there for so he is. Those are wonderful attributes.
But like as a sports parent, he's forcing his way
onto an NBA roster and played him in the first
half against Philadelphia, and I look, I do think that Brownie.
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This is a lot like my situation. It's gonna make
him either make him or break him as a human being,
as a as a basketball player. But it is not
the optics that anyone outside of that sphere would want
to have.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
That's a real nice play by Bronni.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Has a real nice play by Bronnie. Oh my gosh,
he can make a make a layup in traffic.
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(35:17):
say game, yes, my team had a game against the
Golden Grizz of Oakland. We did lose. Playing without your
top two players as hard, but also if you give
up eighteen offensive rebounds, that's difficult as well. So congrats
the Golden Grizz. They got to win. We still have
to figure out how to rebound and be a little
bit tougher. But there was something else in regards to
(35:39):
college basketball. We had a damn by Your game yesterday
kind of I don't know if it went viral, but
it did kind of take off, didn't.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
It did not go viral, but there was some response
to it. When we drafted the stars that we remember
in college basketball, and it kind of comes off the
heels of Cooper Flag and the great month of January
that he's had, and I think that we would even
argue that I'm surprised it hasn't been a bigger story
in sports since we thought Cooper Flagg was just going
to be this amazing talent, which he has been, but
(36:11):
also get all the publicity in the world because he's
going to do He's seventeen years old, going to be
the number one pick in the NBA Draft, He's white,
the whole deal. We thought it was going to be
the biggest story in the world, the ESPN would run
with it, and yeah, has not happened. So we went
with the biggest stars, right, biggest stars in college basketball.
(36:32):
Zion Williamson was your number one overall pick, and from
our timeline, Larry Johnson was second by Jason I took
Patrick Ewing, and Iowa Sam took Caitlin Clark. Those were
our first four picks of who we drafted would be
the biggest stars that we remember in college basketball. And
then our second round took place and Sam took Doug McDermott.
(36:53):
I took Kenny Anderson, who retweeted our post. Jason Stewart
took Shack, and Doug You took Christian Laitner, and then
our segment ended because time ran out, but the response
that we got to some of the names that we
are missing. Embarrassed myself. I was embarrassed that and I
wouldn't trade my picks, but just in terms of the
names that we left out, and I got to give
(37:15):
props to Rob Griffith who tweeted us Carmelo Sampson and
Iverson as the three names that we left out, and
I can't believe I didn't think of either of them.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Alan Iverson was not one of the biggest names in
college basketball. He wasn't. I played against Alan Iverson. He
was awesome, He was so talented. He was not in
that year in college basketball. Again, in the context of
college basketball being a superstar, Alan Iverson was not one
of them. He just wasn't. What you know about basketball
(37:49):
in nineteen ninety six, guy, we played ninety five ninety six,
I played Notre Dame. It was Alan Iverson's sophomore year
at Georgetown. This is last season at Georgetown. He was
not one of He was not the biggest name. Did
people in basketball know he was? Was he a national
story because you know, football basketball incarcerated during his his
(38:16):
senior year in high school, so he didn't play Yeah, okay, yes,
of course, but the reality is he wasn't I disagree
with you. I think that's somebody looking back and pointing
something out that didn't actually exist. They're mis remembering history.
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Because Allen Iverson became a gigantic star in the NBA.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
I still think he was a big deal. And because
here's Georgetown, this program, this legacy program. We've had dominating
college basketball, you know, over the previous fifteen years, and
they were dominated by big men, and here comes this
six foot point guard. You know, a few years later
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after Alonzo morning in the kenby Mutumbo, and Georgetown was
back to national prominence. Now it may have been equal.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
I'm telling you, dude, I was. I was in the league.
I was in the Big East. Ray Allen was Ray.
Allen was a bigger name in the Big East that year.
Marcus Camby was a bigger name that year in college basketball.
Jock Vaughan was a point guard that was more known.
People thought that was it was all by tal making
Jock Vaughan. So I'm not disagreeing with you in terms
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of how talented.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
He was saved by Mark Dominic on hold, because I
would love to argue back at.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
We can argue back at this a look bit later
on the show, Let's welcome in Mark Dominic, former gentleal
manager the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and he joins us here
on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Uh, Mark,
there's a bunch of things I want to get into.
Let's let's start with some of these coaching hires. Now
that we're getting the dust is starting to settle. Brian Schottenheimer,
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your reaction, I was give.
Speaker 6 (40:03):
First time I know who Jock vonn is. Does that
counts well?
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Okay, maybe this is it. Okay because we're I think
you're a little older than me. But we did this
game yesterday. We were talking about the biggest names in
college basketball in our lifetime, and somebody pointed out to
Dan Byer, hey, how come he didn't mention Alan Iverson.
And my point was, I played against Alan Iverson. I
was in the Big East his second year in college.
(40:28):
He only played two years in college. He was a
big name in the basketball circus. He became a huge
name nationally in the NBA when he's the NBA's MVP
and the number one pick overall pick in the draft. Okay,
all of those things, but that year in college basketball,
he wasn't the biggest name. Again, I just I don't
know if you remember back did you know of Alan
(40:49):
Iverson that much when he was at Georgetown, to the
level of Christian Latner at Duke, to the level of
even Zion Williams and a Duke or are some of
the other names that we had, even Caitlin Clark and
Iowa last year.
Speaker 6 (41:03):
Yeah, I mean, I agree, I don't think I knew
Alan that way. I knew of Allen Iverson, but I
didn't have him going to the NBA having the career
had and having the notoriety he had. Sure didn't feel
like that in college, the same way as it felt
like some of other names that we just got en
grained in your head no matter what.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
Okay, Brian Schottenheimer, what's your reaction.
Speaker 6 (41:24):
Well, I mean, the first way I looked at this,
Doug is I think that the Cowboys and coach Mike
McCarthy kind of messed up. I think if they had
have parted ways amicably, meaning you know, Jerry Jones says, hey,
look he's going to go check out the market. We
want to look around in the market and we'll figure
this out. I think that there's a chance that could
have been reunited and it could have worked out, and
it could have saved faced for both of them. They didn't.
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They both decided to go separate ways and made it
very public so they couldn't go back together again. My
gut instinct is and again I don't know this, Doug.
I wonder if Mike Zimmer was bad because he did
not get the job and he decided moving out, and
because he's like, you could just keep Bryan got AMers
the OPPI the coordator, I'll be the head coach. Because
it's usually rare for coaches just to come in for
one year and then suddenly go, I don't want to
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be here anymore. I'm retiring. I'm going to walk away.
So and I think it rubbed some people the wrong way.
I like Brian, I'm known him for a while. Continuity
is everything. For Jerry Jones, I never thought Diane was
gonna be the head coach because that's not what Dean's
going to do, is coach against his son. We talked
about that, you know, I wait and see. I guess
everybody has to be a head coach at once sometime. First,
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I want to wait and see, because I still think
the Cowboys roster is pretty good and I just want
to see what Brian can do.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
I actually totally agree with you, and I again I
understand sometimes is continuity for continuity's sake, but continuity does
win a lot of times, especially when you're like, hey,
we're not that far off. I don't know, it's it's
it's gonna be fault. What happens in New Orleans. New
Orleans has been a bit of as it's been a
weird one.
Speaker 6 (42:52):
Yeah, I mean the problem with New Orleans and it
sounds like Kellen Moore is going to be the guy,
but it really the problem with New Orleans is is
not their car. It's the salary cap. In this day
and age where all these teams are with their salary cap,
New Orleans is like eighty five million dollars over the
cap already, and the next coast of teams like sixty
million dollars less than that. So you're not walking into
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a spot where you're trying to figure out the quarterback
assuming that car is going to stay. But then you're
also not going to be able to do a lot
to that roster and make many changes. It's all gonna
have to be through the draft and you're going to,
you know, make some tough calls and some of the
guys that are already there, there are pieces there that
you like. I mean, Chris A Lobby coming back next
year would be big. But I think that all I
think it's a salary cap was a big piece of
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the problem there when you looked at it from a
head coach and standpoint, and I think that's what it
made it less desirable. Although it's one of thirty two.
You know, we will see, but I think the salary
cap has to get back in control in Orange, so
that job to become more attractive.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
Stet Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the
voice of Mark Dominic. Of course, former general manager of
the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, kind of spend some time with
this year on the DG Show on Fox Sports Radio.
What do you think of the hire with the Jets?
Speaker 6 (44:08):
So I was a big believer that I think they
should have gone offense. I think that you know what,
he's gone a lot of defensive coaches and it's time
to you know, have a fun offense that with the
same coordinating and continuity like you just talked about a
year after year for the New York football fans, so
they don't, you know. But I love Aaron Glenn. I
think he's a really a very good football coach. I
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get the understanding of a homecoming back to the Jets,
and those kind of things make a lot of sense,
you know. Just you know. The interesting thing is the
thirty third team ran the search. I think they asked
over fifty people, between head coach and GMS, what would
you do at quarterback? I'd like to think they've got
a pretty good plan, but I'd really like to hear
what Aaron Glenn is because I think that that's really
the most pivotal part of this entire hire is what
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are you going to do at quarterback? And how are
you going to solve it in twenty twenty five or
twenty twenty six? And you know, that's not an easy question.
But I think we'll get an answer fairly quickly, because
I don't think Aaron Glenn's going to mess around Aaron
Rodgers and sit there and say we'll see in October
or excuse me, order like in May or April. I
think you're going to find out pretty quick.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Okay, did Chicago make the right move.
Speaker 6 (45:13):
I think they did. I mean, look, Ben is, you know,
one of the best or better offensive minds right now
based off of what he was able to do. Now,
that's a really good roster Detroit. You got to give
Brad Holmes the GM there and Dan Campbell credit for
you know, having those different weapons and then tho that
the Bears have some weapons. I just again we talked
about this even before the draft and going into the
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rookie year. I was a Jade Daniels guy over Caleb
and I still am, and I just I don't know
where Caleb is going to be in terms of you know,
how bad does he love it? And that's going to
be the key critical piece. But I think the hires
right because it gets everybody on that side of the
ball the thought that we can be something better, and
that's just that that motivation of what we can become.
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Hopefully we'll help this team kind of start to find
its way and hopefull k the quarterback that the Bears
fans believe in and think he'll be because we saw
the impact with some of these rookies this year and
you know this class, Doug looks like they're all good.
Drake may gave me a lot of confidence down the stretch.
Panics looked good down the stretch. You know, obviously bo
Nicks did well. We don't know about JJ, but you know,
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that's an impressive class when usually two or three of
them end up not being good enough, all of them
look pretty good.
Speaker 1 (46:24):
Right now, Let's let's let's take a deep breath and
look back at the Bill's game against the Chiefs before
we get to some of the calls. What about the
play calling. What did you think of Buffalo's style of
attack against Kansay Chiefs.
Speaker 6 (46:44):
Well, I think that they should have gotten the ball
to James Cook Moore. James is running really well, right Doug.
I mean I thought he was, you know, being explosive,
dynamic with the ball in his hands. And this was
a close game, so it didn't have to be where
James was limited to how many touches he had. That's
one thing I looked back and said, you know, I'd
like I'd like to have given him the ball maybe
a little more frequently looking back at it in terms
of the play calling and what happened, especially on that
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you know, you know, fourth and one. To me, you
push push it the right way and you get everybody
settled and you get everything set. And I know it's
in Kansas City and that's a lot harder to do
than when when you're at home. But if you can,
if you can get that thing lined up, when you've
got a Josh Allen, it's pretty hard to stop a
one yard run. And whether or not he got it
or didn't get it, you know the thing that everybody
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says as well, you know Buffalo could have won the game.
Yeah they could have, but the Chiefs would have got
the ball back and we've seen Patrick Mahomes being with
thirteen seconds. So it was a bummer in my house.
You know, I've got a build mafia member is my
youngest daughter, so it was not a happy house. But
you know, the rest of the house are Chiefs fans,
so it's an up divided here.
Speaker 1 (47:47):
Okay, what about the call, Like, I don't know, I mean,
it doesn't really matter what side you're on. You just
want the right calls to be made. I just I
just feel like it's indefensible, like the oh is clearly
over the line to gain. I don't know why it
was made to be so difficult.
Speaker 6 (48:05):
I don't either. And there's the one thing that I've
always struggled with us, how referees and even the guys
in the boxes that they tell us what they think
is going to happen, how much that they don't like
to change the spot of the foul on the field
that they don't have to. And that's kind of like
because that's such a terrible way to look at it,
because I think we all just want it right, like
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you're saying, And you know, when you watch a football
game and you watch these officials and it's hard to do.
But when they just mark the ball and you've got
two officials on two different sides of the ball marking
it differently, someone saw it one way, someone saw the other,
and you're just going to go with whichever one you want,
or who is closer to the side of the ball.
I mean, it's it's it's disappointed. But you can't do
a chip. You can't do little things. I think a
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lot of people think because when you're in a scrummer
a pile and you've got a chip in the ball,
you know you can lose that ball, you know, and
it was two inches and now something it's the first
down if you just use the marker not knowing it's
the players down or not. So sadly, there's human nature,
they're human error, but they should take the time to
get it right. And I think that one should have
been looked at multiple times and say, hey, let's let's
really stop this ball correctly.
Speaker 1 (49:06):
What do you make of the Eagles heading in the
Super Bowl where all they should be doing is celebrating
and even from Jalen Hurrshi Yet while they took the
straight jacket off me, meaning he feels like he was
held back by his own play caller, there's still that
level of dysfunction when the NFC champions, which strikes me
as odd. How does it strike you?
Speaker 6 (49:28):
Yeah? I think so too, you know, because I think
Jalen has been so frustrated with the amount of criticisms
he's taken through this season while all he's doing is
delivering victories with the Eagles going forward. And you know,
I thought when Jalen was down for a minute, you know,
the Eagles offense didn't quite look the same. No one
stops sa Quon Barkley all year, and I don't think
that Kansas City is going to truly stop Sakuon Barkley,
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but Jalen is a big piece of it. I think
he's just it's been an emotional season of frustrated season.
It's kind of like a little bit of that Rodney
Dangerfield look of like, look, I'm not get any respect here.
It's all about Caleb. It's all about you know, Saquon Barkley,
It's all about you know, our defense, It's all about
you know whatever. And then so hopefully you can write
it out in a week and change, we will see
(50:11):
this so that EU can maybe have a Rocky two
moment instead of in Rocky where they lost. Maybe it's
a Rocky two moment and they beat the Chiefs the
second time around.
Speaker 1 (50:25):
How the Chiefs done this? I mean it's it's really
simple to say, well, they have Andy Reid, they have
Pat Mahomes. But there's a lot there's a lot of
great coaches, great quarterbacks. But the level of consistency to
getting here, the variants in styles, right, you start when
they first got to the Super Bowls. Now you know
it was all offense. Now it's all defense and just
enough offense. They've done it so many different ways. As
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a guy who tried to build teams. How have they
built this roster, this franchise to withstand so many departures
and so many different styles.
Speaker 6 (50:59):
Yeah, I think they have focused on the offensive line.
And you know a couple of years back when they
lost the Tampa that offensive line was in the shambles
and just couldn't couldn't do it, and they really kind
of refocused on the offensive line to make sure that
whatever way they play, they can still win. Uh. And
so you know Joe Thuni who's been mister everything, left guard,
left tackle, things like that make a big difference on
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the defensive side. You know, they have they've seen when
they're when they have just enough talent, especially in that
secondary where they can let go of la Jerry Sneed
and know that they still feel like they're good enough
with you know, the Jalen Watson who's now back and
has been there for the playoff games. It's it's a
team that I think when you look at them, the
experience at the head coach and obviously the coordinator being
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head coaches before and knowing how to set a game
plan to win that game. Not this is what we're
going to do this season, now, this is how we're
going to win this game this week. I think that's
what the Chiefs had done the best of anybody, and
they've been consistently doing it because they know that there's
weaknesses within this team, but if they can find a
way to exploit the other team's weakness or not or
(52:05):
masks theirs, so they can stay within these one core
games that they've been able to do all season long,
and so that's been I think the special thing for
the Chiefs this season is they're finding ways to win
the game that's in front of them and not worried
about what it looks like the next week until they
start the game plan for that one.
Speaker 1 (52:19):
Circling back when Mark Dominic, former gentle manager the Tampa
Bay Buccaneers, joined US Weekly here on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
You know, we had so many years, the last couple
of years of McVeigh clones getting jobs. Is there a
trend that's developed this year through this hiring cycle?
Speaker 6 (52:39):
Oh yeah, I don't know if I feel that, you know,
I would sit there and as you kind of look
through the different spots, it's been fairly balanced with a
Ray Bowl and a Glenn versus you know, you know,
the offensive you know, the Brian Schottenheimer's or whatever. In
terms of the offensive side, we've got Pete Carroll out there,
So that's kind of the one that they're trying to change.
(53:01):
The culture at the Race. I don't feel it like
I don't feel this year as much as you had before. Obviously,
when you have success, people want to steal your assistance
to Detroit is an easy one they, you know, and
they've been fortunate to be able to be ready for this,
you know, for a year. But I think this year
was more of just like trying to find the right
fit for what you're trying to do. And so that's
where I look at, like, you know, whether or not
you like to pee Carroll higher at the Raiders, they're
(53:22):
really trying to switch out that culture of that building
and trying to really kind of say, hey, look we're
going to we'll have a succession plan in place, but
we've got to get kind of the mindset different in
this place. And I think the same thing, we're rable
even though you know, with Josh McDaniels and things like that,
there's a lot of that old Patriot way coming back
in that building, but there's so much ingrained in Bill
Belichick in that building, and they've got to make it
a little bit more loose. And that's where variable with
(53:43):
the sarcasm and things like that, will become a will
kind of loosen up that building as they kind of
go along. So I think each team was kind of
individually saying, we got to get Caleb Williams right, We've
got to bring Aaron Glenn back to kind of reset
this team into somebody that the fans love and had
a lot of respect for. So I think each team
attacked it from that perpective instead of saying, hey, let's
go get another offensive player or another offensive coach from
(54:04):
Shanahan or McVay.
Speaker 1 (54:06):
Well, we'll see you next week in New Orleans. And again,
it's been another spectacular year with you giving us the
real insight into the NFL. Mark, thanks so much for
joining us. Safe travels, and we'll we'll see you down
in Nola.
Speaker 6 (54:18):
We'll see you, Noah,
Host
Doug Gottlieb
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