February 11, 2025 • 47 mins
On a Tuesday edition of The Best of the Doug Gottlieb Show: As Luka Doncic made his Lakers' debut Monday night, Doug looks back on the trade that sent Anthony Davis to the Mavericks and the fallout since that move.
Dan gives out his "Beyer's Remorse". Dan welcomes LA Times NBA writer Dan Woike to talk about the new-look Lakers, Luka and all of the major headlines around the NBA.
During a special Tuesday Morning Quarterback feature, Dan and the crew go over all of the leftovers from the Super Bowl.
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Hope you're having a great day. I want to talk
about Lucas first game, but I just I just think
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this is such a good topic and it was weird
last week, Jay stew It was weird because I do
think there's a little of the Saquon Barkley discussion that
fits in with the Luca trade. And I'll explain in
a second, but I felt like, because this happened and
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it was such a surprise that like the first day
we talked about the Luca trade. It was we're all
just like in shock, right, Like I remember walking around
going like Luca got traded. I was in bed, and
that's when I texted you guys, and then I texted
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like all the NBA insiders kind of same thing, like
Luca got traded, Like what the heck? So look, I
think there's still a whole bunch of it to talk about,
not just because Luca played last night. There's also the
rejected Laker trade right from Mark Williams, so Dalton connects, like, Dad,
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what do I do now I'm back here? Yeah, kind
of a redundancy, right, considering what all they have, But
Lakers have a lot of scoring. I just the whole
thing is fascinating. And then Anthony Davis obviously incredible first
a haut, but he got hurt, which is one of
the reasons that supposedly they wanted to trade Luka doncik.
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So I guess let's let's just talk Luca trade. As
I told people when it happened, and of course it's
now kind of come out and become part of public knowledge,
is that, you know, Nico Harrison just thought I'm going
to give them biggest contract in the history of sport
to a guy that consistently doesn't come in in shape,
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and because he doesn't come in shape, there's a lack
of personal self disciplined and ultimately that's going to either
shorten or harbor his hinder his career. And we've talked
about in the show that of the things that make
Lebron great and respectable is Lebron James takes exquisite care
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of his body. He just does. It's not just a
million dollars like its been ticed like. No, Look, he
doesn't have the bad habits that Karmala Anthony did. They
gave him the league at the same time, and Carl
Anthony has been retired for like three or four years,
and really he's washed three or four years before that.
Why he just didn't take care of his body wherea
Lebron did, always has, probably always will. He'll always be
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that annoying guy that's always in shape, never gets the
pot belly right. So it's interesting how people want to
perceive this trade. And maybe it's a massive misevaluation from
Nico Harrison. I said at the time he didn't get
enough for Luca. On the other hand, I do think
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and again I know he got hurt, but what did
Anthony Davis have twenty four and thirteen the first half
of his first game. Like Anthony Davis when he's healthy,
and he was healthy all of last year and been
healthy most of this year, is an unbelievable top five
player in the NBA. Now he's older, so that's what
makes the calculation different, and he's been injured a bunch,
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that's what makes the calculation different. But I do think
that in the things that have have gone understated in
this this in this trade, Anthony Davis is greatness is
part of it, but he is not and and he
plays both at both ends, whereas Luca doesn't. But Nico
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Harrison is similar to Joe Shane of the of the
New York Giants. Right, this is a long term I
feel like it's got to be a long term and
short term. He thinks win for the Mavericks long short
term in that, hey, they Luca wasn't healthy and in
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order for them to win short term, you got to
get better defensively, and now they're really good defensively when
Anthony Davis is healthy. But long term in that you
would have had to give Luca a three hundred and
fifty million dollars contract. And once you get that contract,
why if he doesn't want to be in shape before
that contract, why would you want to be in shape
after the contract? And I may I think it's the
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parallel to the Saquon Barkley is so many people are saying, well,
giants made a mistake, Well, raiders make a mistake with
Josh Jacobs and all their mistakes, And you might be right.
But the argument wasn't over do you want Josh Jacobs
for next year? The argument wasn't over do you want
Saquon Barkley four next year? It's do you want Saquon
Barkley at a huge number and it's not that big
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a number for three years guaranteed? Or do you want
them for a year and a half or two years guaranteed.
That's really what it's about. It's a long term. Do
you want a long term invest in a running back
a position that guys wear down in, guys fade off
in the sunset much quicker. So the whole thing, just
the whole thing is amazing. And here's the other part
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that I find fascinating. I said this to you, Jason
Stewart and I mean it to be true. I find
it comic comical that people legitimate fans and some in
the media, you know, like, well, you gotta fire Nico
Harrison when Nico Harrison doesn't know what he's doing, and
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he may not know what he's doing, but help me
out here. Didn't the didn't the didn't the Dallas Mavericks
didn't the Dallas Mavericks go to the NBA Finals last year?
Didn't that happen? And if I'm if I'm not mistaken, Uh,
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that's the same. Nico Harrison was the GM of the
Mavericks when they went to the finals last year. So
the guy who knew enough to put this roster together
doesn't know enough about keeping the roster and improving the roster.
I wouldn't made the trade. But I also don't know
underneath the hood. I don't know how bad the weight was.
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I don't know how bad the person conditioning was. I
don't know how much he pushed away from whatever the
Mavericks wanted him to do. I don't know. But I
also know that you won't have an answer to this
trade in the next week or two weeks. And that's
unfortunately what we do. We want immediate answers, and oh yeah,
by the way, if you went by the immediate answer
of the first half of the first game, Anthony Davis
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was in versus the first half of the game that
Luka Dancik played in, and you'd be like, well, Anthony
Davis is a better player. Again, if you do short
term now, Anthony Davis gets hurt, Luca plays the whole game,
Lucas still healthy, Anthony Davis is hurt, and everybody thinks
Lucas better. So the Lakers won the trade. Let me
let me ask you, dan Byer, where are you We're
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like a week out of it. Where are you on
the trade?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
I am where I was at the beginning. And I
just think that Nico Harrison completely did not see the
forest through the trees on what Luca meant to that organization.
And that is actually my biggest takeaway for what we
had in the NBA last night. The Lakers go in
don Crypto dot Com Arena with eighteen thousand Luka Doncic
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jerseys adorned throughout the arena. Well, the Dallas Mavericks are
kicking out fans for mouthing fire Nico on the jumbo
tron like that's where we are. Doug I said it,
if the Mavericks win a championship, I don't think that
Mavericks fans will forgive Nico Harrison. They just loved cheering
for Luka Doncic. They loved it that Luka Doncic was theirs,
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whether it was in shape or not in shape. So
I think last night was such a I mean, the Lakers,
who we have clowned for the decisions that they've made
at times and said Lebron's running the front office and
this and that, they did the absolute right thing. ESPN
bumps a college basketball game to ESPNU for them to
air it. They have Luka Doncic jerseys everywhere. The starting
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lineups were announced and Lebron went second to last so
Luca could be announced last. Like that's that's the whole thing.
And that's where just like Dallas and the Mavericks and
the ownership group in Nico Harrison are just missing the
big picture. And for somehow the Lakers not only has
it fallen into their lap, but they're doing all the
right things. Now, well you're coming aboard and the whole deal, Like, yeah,
(09:12):
it's to me, it was never about basketball.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
It was about the city.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
It was about the fans and the fans love of
that organization. And last night I just thought was, Wow,
what a what a depiction guy says fire Nico and
gets kicked out of the Mavericks game just from mouthing
it on the jumbo tron.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
There's there's a lot. There's a lot to it. That's interesting. Okay.
The big mistake that Nico made, okay, is how are
you going to have one of the most valuable pieces
in the NBA and not take it to market? You know?
And if you don't take it to market, And I'll
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give you the easiest parallel that people in southern California.
I don't know if this happens elsewhere. I'm sure there
are some markets that are that do I'm not going
to ask if you guys own your own home or
do not. I've owned several homes in California, and all
of our homes we sold off the market, sold off
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the market. There's never a sign in our front yard.
There are never open houses. There are people come in
literally call my buddy John DeShawn. I'll even get out
his name because he bought and sold our houses, like John, Like, hey,
you want to sell that, well, how much can he
get for it? They can get a good number, and
(10:33):
I got a family, just move it in and literally
we sold three houses this way, which is you know,
you have the cleaning person come in, you know, everybody
picks up your stuff or whatever. They come in and
what's the number, and it's done. There's no listing of
the house. But my point has always been if you're
not going to take it to market, and you're still
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gonna play real order fees or whatever, but there's you're
gonna get topped up for it because again and now
it depends on buyers and sellers market. These were both
in a in a seller's market, And the point is
that in a seller's market, if you take it to market,
the buyer runs the risk of bidding up and up
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and up and up and up against somebody on a
buyer's market. Well, now you sell it off market because
you don't want to sit for a long time, and
you kind of take what they get. And like for
Luka Doncik, that's a seller's market. And to not get
absolute top dollar, not get an incredible home run through
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in everything we want, I mean, I look at the
new Orleans Pelicans when they traded Anthony Davis. The Lakers
had to have Anthony Davis had to have them. They
didn't trade and remember the trade deadline before the summer,
the off season when he was traded, they wouldn't do
the deal. Why because they wanted the kitchen sink, everything
that the Lakers had. And the Lakers acquiesced in the
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off season and traded for Anthony Davis. So the biggest
mistake he made was that. Now, the other part that
I find really interesting is and this is when you're
running a business, you're running a basketball team, which I do,
is you have to balance out the aspect of culture
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and talent. Right, culture and talent, because I actually don't
think I think Dallas fans that like, oh well, never
root for him ever. Again, I hate everybody the win chips.
I love these guys. Now, it is something unique about Dallas, right,
because I mean dirt Novisky flamed out in the first
round of the playoffs way more than he ever went
(12:41):
to the Western Conference finals. Yet he is absolutely beloved
similarly to Lucas. That's where I would I will agree
with you there, Dan, But everyone says I will never ever,
period ever and then the team wins, and then they
shut the hell up. Cause that's really But here's where
I think the Mavericks were torn and all of us.
Who you take over a team, basketball, football, baseball, or
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take over a business, you sit there and go like,
I'm going to implement my culture. I'm going to do
things the right way. I am going to make sure
that everybody is equal, everybody's even, and whoever is bought
in the most, you know, they get the most out
of it. That's the one. And that sounds great, it
really does. But you know, when one guy can put
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the ball into the basket at a much higher rate,
or create much more excitement, or create many more baskets
than the other guy, you're like, ah, my culture is important,
but you find ways. I'll give you an example, Okay,
Kate Cunningham is an all star kid. Cunningham is going
to have a great career with the with the Detroit Pistons.
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But Mike Boyden is a great friend of mine. He's
now an assistant coach at Michigan, and he told me,
he's like, do you know why Cad Cunningham was never
late to the bus? And I was like, why is that?
He's like, because I would wait and hide and wait
for all the coaches that text me, kid's on the bus,
and then I get on the bus. You want your
culture to be, hey Lombardi, time everybody's here, their team
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is for they're supposed to be. And then the other
part too. It is like Kate Cunningham's one year at
oklahom State. They were really successful. They played a lot
of his owner's like why, It's like, well, he was
a terrible defensive player at that point in time in
his career. So I could either yell and scream and
take him out or I could play two three zone
and you know what, I get the best offensive player
(14:29):
in college basketball on offense and I get to leave
him on the court. Plus you foul us. So yeah,
you give away some of who you are as a coach.
You want to play a tough, hard man and man
defense and turn people with That sounds great, but you
know what, you need that other dude at the other end,
And I think if you wanted to go miss calculation, Dan,
that's where I would say the miscalculation is. Culture is great,
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defense is great, conditioning is great. Those things are all
part of what I'm trying to do. But you know, like, look,
we lost a game early this year where my leading
scorer I benched him because he misshoot around. You know,
wasn't a hard decision at the time, but then you're
looking up and you're down twenty and you're like, well,
if we had him, we could win this game, and
(15:13):
now I can get away with it in year one.
But man, I don't know. I don't know if I
would change decisions, right, honest with you. Right, So I
think that's what the miscalculation was, is that, Hey, culture
is important, and getting guys bought in is important. And look,
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the idea of paying a guy more money than anybody's
ever made in the NBA and he doesn't want to
come in shape, and he doesn't want to play defense,
and there's a lot I get it.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
But.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
And I will better win.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
I'll just quick say this, Dirk being there last night
for Luca. I know a lot of people are looking
into that and reading into that. I just think that's
more of him being the big brother. That this how
the trade has had trauma on Luca. That's how I
took Dirk's appearance last at all. They're going to be
there for the guy, not that he's abandoned the Mavericks,
but that he's just more being there for Luca.
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before we get to Dan, we have another Dan. It's
like it's all Dan Day. That's what it is. Everyone
has things they would like to take back, but few
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are able to air it on the radio. That's why
Dan has his own buyer's remorse.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
Some have remorse.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
I am deeply sorry for my irresponsible and selfish behavior
I engagement, but.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
There's nothing quite like buyer's remorse.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
First of all, a tip of the cap to Doug Gottlieb,
who travels more than anybody that I know and still
is able to show up at work because I flew
in this morning. Guys from New Orleans came to work
at LAX, and I'll tell you what, I'm.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Dragging a bit today.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
So kudos to you, Doug, for all of the hundreds
of times that you've phoned here, there, and everywhere and
have popped on the show.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
I don't do it too much.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Maybe there's some scar tissue that makes you tough enough
to those experiences.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
But man, so do you know where I am today?
Speaker 4 (17:31):
No?
Speaker 3 (17:31):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Okay, I'm in OsO, Oklahoma. I'm in the coach's office
of my teammate and dear friend, Brian Montinatti. They're defending
state champions and right number one in Oklahoma. I just
popped in do the show here that I'm on my
way to Independence, Kansas, the Jayhawk Conference. If you know
junior college basketball, I'm gonna go recruit Cali County plays
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Indy Independence tonight seven thirty and gonna go watch some
do some recruiting, because as much as you can watch
a ton on Synergy and other videos, nothing like seeing
a kid play in person. So I'm gonna pop into
one junior college on the way up to see two
junior colleges play and do some recruiting, and then out
at five point fifteen in the morning, land in Chicago
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super early, like at seven fifteen, get up to the Bay.
Then we'll have the show tomorrow, and then we have
afternoon practice tomorrow afternoon in Green Bay.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
All right, well we'll get to mine.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
You're dead. What's that sleep when you're dead?
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Sleep when you're dead. I woke up early this morning
and I had buyer's remorse. I regretted my decision during
our time in New Orleans to not have a beignette,
a beignette, to beignet.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
How do we say.
Speaker 6 (18:52):
It beignet beignet? Is that it begnette bignette? Yeah, didn't
have one. I did not have one. I didn't either,
and people keep asking me why I didn't. I this delicious.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
I'm like going around the airport and it's like five
o'clock in New Orleans, and I'm like, this, maybe maybe
someone's got to be open. And I smelled what I
thought was fried dough and it was Auntie Annie's pretzels
warming up for the day.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
I thought.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
I was like, even if it was an airport one
I could say that I did. And I just regret
that I did not take advantage of that New Orleans
fair considering I'm not a gumbo or a crawfish or
any of that sort of stuff.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
It's amazing.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Abigne is amazing, And you know what you're right, I
have remre sight into the same thing. And you know,
I mean, I can't tell him. People like, Hey, you're
gonna stop a cafe Dumont, have some coffee in a.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Pignet, chickery coffee.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Oh, the chickery coffee is so good?
Speaker 3 (19:50):
What is what is chickery? Is it like bark?
Speaker 1 (19:54):
What is it? Delicious? You can there's actually a place
like there's a chain it's called Blue something in that's
in California. You can get the it's called the Nola coffee.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
I did get a can of that for my wife.
She doesn't know it, but that's her gifts coming back
from New Orleans.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
At least this texted me way to give up, way
to get the secret.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
It's blue Bottle coffee, the Blue Bottle and you get
the roasted chickory kit.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Yeah, you need to do blue bottle. Just go get
the Nola.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Oh that's good stuff.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
That's stuff.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
But I regret that I did not have a bignet.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
I regret that I ordered the hamahawk that night at
the restaurant we went to had Koshan. It's not that
I don't like hamhock. I like hamhocks in my my greens.
It's just it was all wild fair and there's so
many things. And Dan ordered this piece of fish that
looked beautiful.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Wow, Dan, you had fish. Yes, it's quite excited. I
do like fish. There's certain certain kinds that I like.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
You like that fish?
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Yes, it's very good. I ate the whole thing. Yes,
it was delicious. Did you guys have a muffa letter?
It's like a type of sandwich that are very own.
Chris Purfette kept talking about all super Bowl week?
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Can the home? No, you can get those muffle led
his store at Koshon Butcher. But no, he did not.
I mean I was on the ground, like literally, I
was on the ground. I said, forty hours. Something else
can do the map. I landed at eleven thirty on
Tuesday night and my flight took off at five thirty
on Thursday afternoon, so a.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Lot of time for tourism.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
I do not that we're giving a not that we're
giving an ad, but I do have to say Jason
and I went and had a you know, some roots
Chris Steak and people say, why do you go to
a chain?
Speaker 3 (21:43):
It's good? Yeah it is.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
It's magnificent. And it did start in Louisiana. Oh so
I didn't know that, Yeah, in New Orleans. So that
is so I didn't feel as guilty about doing that.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
And then I didn't feel as guilty.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Going back last night by myself and just having one
for the road.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Yeah, absolutely for you, I'll do the steak thing. So
my dear friends own a company called Malt Meats. They
supply all the meats for the high end restaurants in
the Midwest. And I think I told you I love
this cut of me called Hanger steaks. Yeah, the hanger cut.
Hanger is delicious. Anyway, Scott Perry brought it by my house,
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like a big box of them. So when I got back,
like I will sometimes make a steak for like breakfast
or lunch, I just will, so I actually get the
one for the road thing, Like, if you can have
a steak, why wouldn't you have a steak.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
I also felt I was going to be up early
so i'd still be hungry, or if at least I
let's have a good meal at night so I'm not
as hungry when I woke up and nothing was open
at the airport, and by goodness I was correct. Was
still pretty full when I woke up.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
In the morning.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
But I regret nonets. But I do have a kit
that my wife's going to have to try to make some.
She got that in the coffee, so if I we
make any at home, I'll bring him along.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Any other Barer's remorse. Nope, that's it, Doug, just all
food based Fuyers remorse.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Yeah, just one big one. I think it was pretty big.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Yeah, it's fine. Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports for Radio,
coming to you from the tyreck dot Com studios, and
let's talk to some NBA hoop show. We after Luca's debut. Plus,
of course you have Anthony Davis playing an incredible half
and then stop me, you've heard this before. Anthony Davis
is hurt, a guy who man, he covers this league
and knows it like the back of his hands. Dan Wiki,
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he's kind of to spend some time with this year
on the Doug Gottlieb Show. Dan, First, where were you?
Where were you when you heard about the trade?
Speaker 4 (23:46):
I was in the press room at Madison Square Garden,
sitting down to craft a story about what I thought
was maybe the best Lakers winning the season, about a
team that seemed like it had really kind of like
really just started to believe in itself as like a
bon to five contender. And yeah, I mean, I think
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like everybody, I saw Shams's tweet and immediately got to
work calling people on this because, you know, Doug, it's
funny like how this works a couple of days earlier.
And I say this not to pretend like I knew
the trade was happening, because I didn't, but I had
heard that the Lakers were working on something with the
Dallas Mavericks, and I had heard it from a team
that would have been a third team to help facilitate
(24:29):
the deal, and even that team didn't know what was happening.
And I was spitballing with this executive like, you know,
could it be for Klay Thompson. Well, it wouldn't be
for Daniel Gafford, would it, because you know, Derek Lively's
hurt and nowhere I mean, I even got to maybe
it's Kyrie again. Like I'd never once considered Luka Doncic.
(24:50):
I don't think anyone around the league consider Luka Doncic.
And it was kind of a pretty bizarre experience to be
walking through the hallways of an empty Madison Square Garden,
while my other kind of fellow laker be writers are
all just on the phone, just yelling at her sources,
basically all skimming what the hell just happened?
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Okay, So once they found out, like, what is the
chatter with didn't wake you join us? By the way
covers the NBA for the La Times, What is that
shatter between all of the inside because that's I think
that there's a bunch of different pastating levels to the trade.
But the fact that no one had it right, no
one had it yeah, is amazing. What's the chatter been like?
Speaker 4 (25:31):
You know, it's been kind of you know, there's been
some sort of unwinding trying to figure out who knew
what and when right? And I think I mean, there
were some people like you know, JJ Redick learned on
Saturday of the possibility of the deal earlier in the day.
You know, there were PR staffers and stuff who were
aware that this was a we'll say a strong possibility,
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so they were kind of on guard, but like nothing
like within you know, I mean, nobody had like six
hours notice this right, like it was this was all
very need to know. And really the people that seem
mostly the need to know like kind of the core
for the negotiations, right, the you know, the demand Edelson
family and you know, Jimmy Buss, Nico Harrison and Rob
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Bolinka and I and I think I mean the agents,
you know, particularly Clutch Sports is not involved at all
in this, which was fascinating. It was a fascinating sort
of shift. And I think this was this was GMS
and ownership kind of reshaping their teams, the Lakers coming
out of this reshaping their future and Dallas making you know,
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a pretty sizable bet against Luka Dancich and for their future,
and you know they've had just sort of a dreadful
week because of it.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Yeah, Okay, so let's get to the Lakers. I think
I think a lot of people have made a lot
of statements about what it means for the Lakers. Right.
The first thing is like outside looking in, like Rob
Polink is good for five years, Right, there's no you
can't get rid of the guy who got Luka Doncik
(27:09):
whether or not it works out or it doesn't matter.
But what does it mean for the Lakers short term?
What does it mean for the Lakers slightly longer term?
So this year and then the next couple.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
Yeah, I think let's start with this year, Doug. I think,
you know, this was a team that, you know, the
Lakers don't really do anything quietly, right, but like they've
been playing awesome basketball for a few weeks now before this, right,
a team that had sort of turned its season around defensively,
a team that you know was finding sort of like
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it's belief in the overall systems. They were getting healthy,
and you know, it started to put together some pretty
nice wins. You know, they had just beaten the Boston Celtics.
They had won, to know, I guess of the New
York City, you know, trending pretty well. And I think,
like you know, being around the team and talking to players,
there was a sense that, like, you know, maybe they
(28:05):
had a chance. Like I think everybody knew like a
lot would have to break their way, but maybe there
was a chance. And then I think, you know, there
was an immediacy of the deal, like some real kind
of morning about that, you know, because all of that
stuff and all the problem solving and everything like that
they had worked towards was out the window. That lasted
for a few days. Then they beat the Clippers, and
(28:28):
they come back and again shorthanded perform well and play
with that same sort of intensity. And now all of
a sudden, it's like, like, what's our ceiling if we
have Luka Doncic, Like how good can we be?
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Right?
Speaker 4 (28:39):
Like, this guy just went to the NBA Finals on
a roster that we think is worse than the one
we have now, Like, you know, he didn't have Lebron
James as a teammate, he didn't have Austin Leeves, Like, like,
you know, how good can we be? And I think
that's been the short term has been like you know,
this team has a real chance.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Now.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
The more interesting thing, Doug, I think is that for
the first time in twenty plus years of basketball being
played anywhere on this planet, a decision was made not
with Lebron James first and foremost on the Lebron James team,
Like this was about the next seven years. This is
about life with the Lakers post Lebron James. This was
(29:17):
about skipping all the painful steps that were assured to them,
you know, just in just once he goes away, right
like I'm not having draft picks, you know, having to
rebuild that way in an era where free agency isn't
quite the you know, the the green fields, the lush
green fields that has been in the past. Uh, it
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was going to be ugly and it was gonna be rough
and in like a blank you know, they're good, like
they're in. They're in a tremendous position.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
So now you think they're you think they're better now
than they were with Anthony Davis.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
I think they have a better chance to win now.
You know, I think their ceiling is high. There's going
to be real, real defensive concerns. There are things that
they're absolutely worse at today without Anthony Davis. Anthony Davis
was having a terrific season. You know, it's gonna be
an All Star head he stayed healthy, would have been
an All NBA player, like no doubt, right. And I
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think Dallas, by the way too, in the short term,
like it solved like some real short term needs for
that team. It's just dog playoff. Basketball is different in
a way that like you know, while like positional size matters,
while like having dominant defensive bigs matters, like give me
a shot maker, like just like an all time tough
shot maker, and the Lakers had one of Lebron James
(30:39):
now they have two one of them, you know what
I mean, And it just opens up so much more
for Lebron. They're going to go into playoff series, Doug,
where you know they're going to have, if not the
two best players on the court, certainly two of the
best three, and virtually any matchup like like picket right,
and they'll have two of the best three players on
the court. And that's a good position to start at
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in any playoff series.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Dann Wakey Joinny us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports for Okay, let's go to Dallas. Because
whatever they thought the reaction would be, I don't think
they thought the reaction would be this negative. That said,
I did find it ironic that that the reason supposedly
that they wanted to move off of Luca was personal
(31:26):
habits and keeping himself in shape in his injuries. Like, look,
Anthony Davis had had a great year last year of
not getting hurt and taking care of his body. But
that was the m of Anthony Davis, wasn't it.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
Yeah, it's you know, it was just really short sighted,
you know that that that, to me is I think
the biggest takeaway from all of this and being around teams,
and especially being around teams that like are really really good,
but you're not quite sure if they ever can get
to great. It's it's taxing. It's just really taxing. You
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start to examine yourself in ways that's like really uncomfortable,
and you start having conversations of like are we really
good enough? Is this really worth it? What can we
do now? And you know, I don't want to pretend
to know what everything that was happening inside that neverage
front office and inside ownership there right, Like it seems
like it's a combination of all the reporting that's come out, right,
Like there are money issues that play, there are conditioning
(32:21):
issues I play. You know, there's this looming or was
this looming sort of you know, the richest contract in
NBA history for a player who you know their feeling
is going to increasingly have soft tissangers like, oh, that
stuff is fine and good. I think they misunderstood a
misread sort of like the cultural impact in that city
that you know, like homegrown stars have, you know, like
(32:44):
the Dirk Similarly, like I just had the bridge from
Lebron just just like what's coming next for the Lakers,
Like the Mavericks didn't have to go through that either,
because they went from Dirk to lucas you know, And
I have friends from Dallas. I have friends with Dallas
who don't even like watch memics on a regular basis,
who are like totally incensed by this, who like cannot
wrap their heads around this in a real way, and
(33:08):
you know who say things like even if we won
a title this year, it wouldn't be with it. And
I think it's just a misreading of sort of the
emotional ties that a player can have to a city
when it's like a special relationship when you see that player,
especially you know, a four more player from the age
of eighteen, Like they just mean a lot to that,
to those kinds of markets. And yeah, it's I mean,
(33:33):
I don't want to say it's a whip, right, Like
we don't know what's going to happen with Luca's body.
We don't know if Anythony Davis is back in four
weeks and is you know, wreck and Shop again like
he was in the first half before the trick. We
don't know any of that stuff. It just like when
you hear things like even if they win a title,
it's not gonna be worth it, Like, and I've heard
that from agents and stuff like that. You just kind
(33:54):
of just sepect and be like, why did this happen?
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Crazy? It's a crazy state, but yeah, crazy state. Dan.
Awesome job, man, love having you on. Thanks so much
for joining us. We'll talk soon, Okay.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
Thanks.
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I want will not everybody does the Monday morning quarterbacking
on the you know you know, if if Pat Mahomes
wouldn't thrown then interception, then yeah, it's Monday money quarterback.
We're gonna do Tuesday morning quarterbacking you guys. Okay, it's
(35:00):
the day after the day after. So here's the first question, Dan,
I'll throw quite a couple of questions out to you guys.
We'll kind of discuss, right, all right, what now for
the Chiefs? And I say what now? Because teams that
lose the Super Bowl generally, and the Patriots are usually
(35:21):
the exception, and the Chiefs have been the exception usually
primed for a hangover. Does that happen with the Chiefs?
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Standpire, Yes, I think it does.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
I actually think that the last time when they lost
and made it back to the AFC Championship Game was
more of the anomaly than what is about to happen.
I think the team is going to start to take
on a different look. I know Mark Dominic was on
yesterday and said that he felt that it was an
easy fix in Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
And I don't know if that's exactly the case.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
I just think that there the other teams, if it's
not the Bills and Raven are going to be knocking
on the door.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
I think the Chargers will be better. I I don't
know what's going to happen with the Bengals.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
I expect the Texans to be better than what they
were this past year.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
I think there's going to be some competition and.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Just the the hangover of getting that far and not winning,
I think I think takes its toll well.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
And I also you're forgetting the other part. You know,
Travis Kelcey's over the hill.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
Yeah, yep, you know he's over the hill.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
And and you can you can get away with it
a little bit as a pass catcher for a long time.
You know Antonio Gates now in the Hall of Fame, right,
Remember he came out of retirement and he was still
able to catch balls. But what happens is when you're
not a good blocker and then you get older. Now
it's like one, it's just like older quarterbacks. They don't
want to get hit. And then two, yeah, you can't
(36:48):
move it all like you can you can run down
there and find the hole in the zone, or you're
just big enough to post a guy up. But I
think I agree with you. I do think it doesn't
mean it's over, but it's definitely gonna be time for
a refrash.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Yeah, and Doug, just even take all that away, just
the amount of success that they have had. It's been
AFC Championship game after AFC Championship game, and some of
the times they've gone on to the Super Bowl. Other
times they haven't lost to the Patriots. Mentioned the loss
to the to the Bengals. But it's gone on all
(37:23):
the way dating back to the Super Bowl fifty three season.
That's where we were with this. So this is this
has gone on a while. And I think just anything,
if you would look at any stretch of games, that
at some point these good things have to come to
an end.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
And I think that.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
There's just so many things primed for it to come
to an end. After Sunday's loss.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
You and I are actually in agreement there. And the
other part is it's like Denver looks stable. I don't
know if they're great yet, you know, but they look stable.
The Chargers are coming right. Like you can have all
these idiots on social media and some in the media say,
Jessin Herbert, isn't this isn't that he may not be
that was not a great roster that was in the
(38:03):
first year of them fixing and adjusting the roster, and
they were competitive with just about everybody. And now when
you get a year to get that roster kind of
more dialed in, my guess is the Chargers are coming.
I think the Patriots are going to be better. They
think they couldn't be worse. The Bills are right there,
the Ravens are right there, and the Steelers continue to
(38:24):
be a quarterback away. And I agree with you at
the Bengals, like what Joe Burrow says, if he says
it on TV, hey, I'm willing to take less money
to keep those guys. They're going to take them up
on that offer. The Bengals have Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase,
They're they're going to be competitive, and they couldn't have
had they couldn't have a worse defense moving forward. Right,
(38:44):
So I'm with you, okay about this one. What path
does Nick Sirianni take? Does he do the humble thing
now or does he continue to stir it up and
be smug and and do the Philadelphia at me against
the world thing.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
Oh it's.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
I don't know if this just popped into my head,
but it's like the first time, and you buy a suit,
like you gotta be the same person in that suit
that you you always were prior to buying it, or
you buying the suit to be the person that wears
the suit. And I think that's what comes along with
the Lombardi Trophy is now you've got the Lombardi Trophy,
so you have the suit.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
And if I think.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
He has to, I think it would be I would
think he would look ten times worse Doug if he
continued with the Shenanigans as a super Bowl winning head coach.
I think he has to shape up his act, not
be as cocky, if you will, arrogant, those sort of things.
I think he's got to clean up his act and
(39:54):
tone it down now that he's a super Bowl, super
Bowl winning head coach.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
I he went god. He went God squad in a
postgame interview, right do you guys see that he went
God squad? And that's usually the signal of like, Okay,
now I'm going to be humble. Now I'm going to
throw religion out there. That one's okay. Why was Mahomes
still in the game late? And I guess that if
(40:21):
you look on social media's was betting the reason he
was in the game light.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
I think that I think for sure they wanted to
get you mentioned Travis Kelcey earlier. I think for sure
they wanted to get him the all time Super Bowl
receptions record, which he did pass Jerry Rice for I
think that was a goal of the Chiefs in that game,
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which I think then leads actually to the first question
of maybe the Chiefs know that they're not going to
be making it back every year after this, that let's
get this now, or to your point, Travis kelce is
done and there may not be another opportunity for him
to to play in a Super Bowl. I think that
was one of the reasons. I don't know why he
was in with three minutes left, but when he took
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that hit on his arm with nine minutes left, I
would have pulled him at that point. And then the
next possession they got two passes to Travis Kelcey and
he passes Jerry Rice for the all time mark.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
HM. I didn't think of it that way. I didn't
think of it that way.
Speaker 7 (41:21):
That hit, by the way to the was it was
it Carter that got him in the face mask, two
hands to the face mask after the attempted bomb was
swatted away. One of the I think maybe if you
want to take one image from that game, like how
bad were the Chiefs? What was this game?
Speaker 1 (41:41):
Like?
Speaker 7 (41:42):
Just look at that five seconds of video him getting
two handed in the face after getting stripped on a pass.
It was amazing in the.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Face in the face. Yeah, okay, here's one. This is
gonna be more for Dan. Do you see that A
record one hundred and twenty six million people watched the
Super Bowl, And I think we would all agree the product,
at least in the Super Bowl was not good, and
yet more people watch than ever Dan commercials.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
Officially, the Zuropa Kendrick.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Lamar maybe to be if they were watching the right
super Bowl as opposed to that one family on TikTok.
But I'm I'm surprised in the the essence of how
nobody seemed excited for this game heading into it, and
for it to still break records is surprising that people
(42:40):
still will find a way to get together and party
and watch this game. It peaked in the second quarter
I saw, which is not surprising because that's when the
game actually ended.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
Yes, it was. I was ready to go right after
the halftime show completely ready to go. I was done.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
I can tell you this. Chiefs fans didn't leave. They
did stick around.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
They stuck around, and they were there in the fourth quarter,
but there was nobody. It's also I think the essence
of when you're at a super Bowl, you're like, well,
I'm not going to leave early. I just paid X
amount for this, and this may be the only time
I'm at a super Bowl. I'm not going to leave
in the third quarter because my team lost. A lot
of the Chiefs fans ended up staying, which I thought
was a tip of the cap.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
Yeah, yep. I just think like it's so much beyond
a football game, it doesn't even matter anymore. It's like,
we make a huge deal about Brady and people like
we love names. That's who we are as the people.
And when I say we, I don't mean sports fans,
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I mean mainstream fans. And so we can crush Tom
Brady for he's not very good in his first year
doing broadcasting, but it's still Tom Brady and he looks
like a male model, right. And you can crush Kendrick
Lamar for being way too much to some artistic rap
(44:06):
halftime show. But again, I honestly think his Humble album
was great. I don't think most of the people who
tuned in to watch Kem Trick Lamar had any idea
about some of the previous songs, which were really popular songs.
I think it was more the they not like Us
like that was literally an anthem for everyone last summer
(44:29):
and carried on in and was the Song of the
Year and the Album of the Year at the Grammys. Right,
we love names, and the NFL is a name brand
now and they're smart enough to put Taylor Taylor Swifts
at the game. That's big. I don't care what anybody says.
Kendrick Lamar is a huge name. Tom Brady's a huge name.
Pat Mahomes is a huge name, and the Eagles in
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the sports world have their own draw because they're that
team that everybody hates and everybody hates their fans. All Right,
that's it for a little Tuesday morning quarter. You don't
have the right go ahead.
Speaker 7 (45:01):
Final thought on that. So if I'm if I'm reading
this right based on the website, I'm on Sports Media Watch.
So the ratings have gone up incrementally since twenty seventeen.
How do we account for that? Because you know, the
the population of the country, the the amount of TVs
(45:24):
and homes haven't gone up. How do we account for
an increase in ratings each year? And Dan and I
we had that discussion yesterday about the quality of play
and it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
But how do we account for that? What does the
what do you think the difference has been each and
(45:46):
every year? The increase in popularity.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
Increase, the increase of access to betting is probably part
of it. Increase in popularity, and it's just become a thing,
a national holiday.
Speaker 7 (46:01):
I think the of the let's always spend both of
those things, though, I'm just wondering, why is it bigger
than ever?
Speaker 2 (46:06):
What did you say was since when? Since twenty what
are the last seven Super Bowls?
Speaker 1 (46:12):
What was the number?
Speaker 3 (46:12):
What did you say the twenty seventeen.
Speaker 7 (46:15):
Seventeen, let's just take let's just take the last three years.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
It's continued to go up.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
I think it's fair to take the last three years
because I think that there still was this COVID thing
going on, but for.
Speaker 3 (46:25):
Some reason, the numbers still ended uh ended up going up.
Speaker 7 (46:30):
In COVID during COVID, it was one hundred and one million,
and then the next year one twelve, then one fifteen,
and then last year one twenty two.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
It's crazy that how low it was during COVID, Like
what else did you have going on?
Speaker 7 (46:47):
Right, sick relatives, I guess.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
But even if you're sick year, like got a TV
on by the bed side, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
Yeah, and you would think that there would be more
whereas because people weren't getting together to watch, so there'd
be no TV units.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
Yeah, more TV gets a good call, that's a good call.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
I think that the the reason for the uptick is
maybe fomo where you may not be interested in it,
but you sure don't want to miss it, Like who
doesn't watch it? So you're gonna watch it. There's different
ways to consume it. I saw people getting together a
friend of mine on Facebook. They had like a neighborhood
(47:29):
block party, so they set out, you know, set up
a TV outside and kids are riding around their bikes.
Lives in California where it was still light out when
the game was going on, But doing those sorts of things.
I think it's the fear of missing out, in not
wanting to miss out, whether it be a commercial, a
halftime show, or the actual game
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Hope you're having a great day. I want to talk
about Lucas first game, but I just I just think
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this is such a good topic and it was weird
last week, Jay stew It was weird because I do
think there's a little of the Saquon Barkley discussion that
fits in with the Luca trade. And I'll explain in
a second, but I felt like, because this happened and
(01:12):
it was such a surprise that like the first day
we talked about the Luca trade. It was we're all
just like in shock, right, Like I remember walking around
going like Luca got traded. I was in bed, and
that's when I texted you guys, and then I texted
(01:32):
like all the NBA insiders kind of same thing, like
Luca got traded, Like what the heck? So look, I
think there's still a whole bunch of it to talk about,
not just because Luca played last night. There's also the
rejected Laker trade right from Mark Williams, so Dalton connects, like, Dad,
(01:54):
what do I do now I'm back here? Yeah, kind
of a redundancy, right, considering what all they have, But
Lakers have a lot of scoring. I just the whole
thing is fascinating. And then Anthony Davis obviously incredible first
a haut, but he got hurt, which is one of
the reasons that supposedly they wanted to trade Luka doncik.
(02:15):
So I guess let's let's just talk Luca trade. As
I told people when it happened, and of course it's
now kind of come out and become part of public knowledge,
is that, you know, Nico Harrison just thought I'm going
to give them biggest contract in the history of sport
to a guy that consistently doesn't come in in shape,
(02:37):
and because he doesn't come in shape, there's a lack
of personal self disciplined and ultimately that's going to either
shorten or harbor his hinder his career. And we've talked
about in the show that of the things that make
Lebron great and respectable is Lebron James takes exquisite care
(02:58):
of his body. He just does. It's not just a
million dollars like its been ticed like. No, Look, he
doesn't have the bad habits that Karmala Anthony did. They
gave him the league at the same time, and Carl
Anthony has been retired for like three or four years,
and really he's washed three or four years before that.
Why he just didn't take care of his body wherea
Lebron did, always has, probably always will. He'll always be
(03:20):
that annoying guy that's always in shape, never gets the
pot belly right. So it's interesting how people want to
perceive this trade. And maybe it's a massive misevaluation from
Nico Harrison. I said at the time he didn't get
enough for Luca. On the other hand, I do think
(03:44):
and again I know he got hurt, but what did
Anthony Davis have twenty four and thirteen the first half
of his first game. Like Anthony Davis when he's healthy,
and he was healthy all of last year and been
healthy most of this year, is an unbelievable top five
player in the NBA. Now he's older, so that's what
makes the calculation different, and he's been injured a bunch,
(04:05):
that's what makes the calculation different. But I do think
that in the things that have have gone understated in
this this in this trade, Anthony Davis is greatness is
part of it, but he is not and and he
plays both at both ends, whereas Luca doesn't. But Nico
(04:25):
Harrison is similar to Joe Shane of the of the
New York Giants. Right, this is a long term I
feel like it's got to be a long term and
short term. He thinks win for the Mavericks long short
term in that, hey, they Luca wasn't healthy and in
(04:47):
order for them to win short term, you got to
get better defensively, and now they're really good defensively when
Anthony Davis is healthy. But long term in that you
would have had to give Luca a three hundred and
fifty million dollars contract. And once you get that contract,
why if he doesn't want to be in shape before
that contract, why would you want to be in shape
after the contract? And I may I think it's the
(05:09):
parallel to the Saquon Barkley is so many people are saying, well,
giants made a mistake, Well, raiders make a mistake with
Josh Jacobs and all their mistakes, And you might be right.
But the argument wasn't over do you want Josh Jacobs
for next year? The argument wasn't over do you want
Saquon Barkley four next year? It's do you want Saquon
Barkley at a huge number and it's not that big
(05:31):
a number for three years guaranteed? Or do you want
them for a year and a half or two years guaranteed.
That's really what it's about. It's a long term. Do
you want a long term invest in a running back
a position that guys wear down in, guys fade off
in the sunset much quicker. So the whole thing, just
the whole thing is amazing. And here's the other part
(05:52):
that I find fascinating. I said this to you, Jason
Stewart and I mean it to be true. I find
it comic comical that people legitimate fans and some in
the media, you know, like, well, you gotta fire Nico
Harrison when Nico Harrison doesn't know what he's doing, and
(06:13):
he may not know what he's doing, but help me
out here. Didn't the didn't the didn't the Dallas Mavericks
didn't the Dallas Mavericks go to the NBA Finals last year?
Didn't that happen? And if I'm if I'm not mistaken, Uh,
(06:36):
that's the same. Nico Harrison was the GM of the
Mavericks when they went to the finals last year. So
the guy who knew enough to put this roster together
doesn't know enough about keeping the roster and improving the roster.
I wouldn't made the trade. But I also don't know
underneath the hood. I don't know how bad the weight was.
(06:56):
I don't know how bad the person conditioning was. I
don't know how much he pushed away from whatever the
Mavericks wanted him to do. I don't know. But I
also know that you won't have an answer to this
trade in the next week or two weeks. And that's
unfortunately what we do. We want immediate answers, and oh yeah,
by the way, if you went by the immediate answer
of the first half of the first game, Anthony Davis
(07:17):
was in versus the first half of the game that
Luka Dancik played in, and you'd be like, well, Anthony
Davis is a better player. Again, if you do short
term now, Anthony Davis gets hurt, Luca plays the whole game,
Lucas still healthy, Anthony Davis is hurt, and everybody thinks
Lucas better. So the Lakers won the trade. Let me
let me ask you, dan Byer, where are you We're
(07:39):
like a week out of it. Where are you on
the trade?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
I am where I was at the beginning. And I
just think that Nico Harrison completely did not see the
forest through the trees on what Luca meant to that organization.
And that is actually my biggest takeaway for what we
had in the NBA last night. The Lakers go in
don Crypto dot Com Arena with eighteen thousand Luka Doncic
(08:06):
jerseys adorned throughout the arena. Well, the Dallas Mavericks are
kicking out fans for mouthing fire Nico on the jumbo
tron like that's where we are. Doug I said it,
if the Mavericks win a championship, I don't think that
Mavericks fans will forgive Nico Harrison. They just loved cheering
for Luka Doncic. They loved it that Luka Doncic was theirs,
(08:28):
whether it was in shape or not in shape. So
I think last night was such a I mean, the Lakers,
who we have clowned for the decisions that they've made
at times and said Lebron's running the front office and
this and that, they did the absolute right thing. ESPN
bumps a college basketball game to ESPNU for them to
air it. They have Luka Doncic jerseys everywhere. The starting
(08:51):
lineups were announced and Lebron went second to last so
Luca could be announced last. Like that's that's the whole thing.
And that's where just like Dallas and the Mavericks and
the ownership group in Nico Harrison are just missing the
big picture. And for somehow the Lakers not only has
it fallen into their lap, but they're doing all the
right things. Now, well you're coming aboard and the whole deal, Like, yeah,
(09:12):
it's to me, it was never about basketball.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
It was about the city.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
It was about the fans and the fans love of
that organization. And last night I just thought was, Wow,
what a what a depiction guy says fire Nico and
gets kicked out of the Mavericks game just from mouthing
it on the jumbo tron.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
There's there's a lot. There's a lot to it. That's interesting. Okay.
The big mistake that Nico made, okay, is how are
you going to have one of the most valuable pieces
in the NBA and not take it to market? You know?
And if you don't take it to market, And I'll
(09:50):
give you the easiest parallel that people in southern California.
I don't know if this happens elsewhere. I'm sure there
are some markets that are that do I'm not going
to ask if you guys own your own home or
do not. I've owned several homes in California, and all
of our homes we sold off the market, sold off
(10:11):
the market. There's never a sign in our front yard.
There are never open houses. There are people come in
literally call my buddy John DeShawn. I'll even get out
his name because he bought and sold our houses, like John, Like, hey,
you want to sell that, well, how much can he
get for it? They can get a good number, and
(10:33):
I got a family, just move it in and literally
we sold three houses this way, which is you know,
you have the cleaning person come in, you know, everybody
picks up your stuff or whatever. They come in and
what's the number, and it's done. There's no listing of
the house. But my point has always been if you're
not going to take it to market, and you're still
(10:56):
gonna play real order fees or whatever, but there's you're
gonna get topped up for it because again and now
it depends on buyers and sellers market. These were both
in a in a seller's market, And the point is
that in a seller's market, if you take it to market,
the buyer runs the risk of bidding up and up
(11:16):
and up and up and up against somebody on a
buyer's market. Well, now you sell it off market because
you don't want to sit for a long time, and
you kind of take what they get. And like for
Luka Doncik, that's a seller's market. And to not get
absolute top dollar, not get an incredible home run through
(11:37):
in everything we want, I mean, I look at the
new Orleans Pelicans when they traded Anthony Davis. The Lakers
had to have Anthony Davis had to have them. They
didn't trade and remember the trade deadline before the summer,
the off season when he was traded, they wouldn't do
the deal. Why because they wanted the kitchen sink, everything
that the Lakers had. And the Lakers acquiesced in the
(11:59):
off season and traded for Anthony Davis. So the biggest
mistake he made was that. Now, the other part that
I find really interesting is and this is when you're
running a business, you're running a basketball team, which I do,
is you have to balance out the aspect of culture
(12:21):
and talent. Right, culture and talent, because I actually don't
think I think Dallas fans that like, oh well, never
root for him ever. Again, I hate everybody the win chips.
I love these guys. Now, it is something unique about Dallas, right,
because I mean dirt Novisky flamed out in the first
round of the playoffs way more than he ever went
(12:41):
to the Western Conference finals. Yet he is absolutely beloved
similarly to Lucas. That's where I would I will agree
with you there, Dan, But everyone says I will never ever,
period ever and then the team wins, and then they
shut the hell up. Cause that's really But here's where
I think the Mavericks were torn and all of us.
Who you take over a team, basketball, football, baseball, or
(13:03):
take over a business, you sit there and go like,
I'm going to implement my culture. I'm going to do
things the right way. I am going to make sure
that everybody is equal, everybody's even, and whoever is bought
in the most, you know, they get the most out
of it. That's the one. And that sounds great, it
really does. But you know, when one guy can put
(13:24):
the ball into the basket at a much higher rate,
or create much more excitement, or create many more baskets
than the other guy, you're like, ah, my culture is important,
but you find ways. I'll give you an example, Okay,
Kate Cunningham is an all star kid. Cunningham is going
to have a great career with the with the Detroit Pistons.
(13:46):
But Mike Boyden is a great friend of mine. He's
now an assistant coach at Michigan, and he told me,
he's like, do you know why Cad Cunningham was never
late to the bus? And I was like, why is that?
He's like, because I would wait and hide and wait
for all the coaches that text me, kid's on the bus,
and then I get on the bus. You want your
culture to be, hey Lombardi, time everybody's here, their team
(14:08):
is for they're supposed to be. And then the other
part too. It is like Kate Cunningham's one year at
oklahom State. They were really successful. They played a lot
of his owner's like why, It's like, well, he was
a terrible defensive player at that point in time in
his career. So I could either yell and scream and
take him out or I could play two three zone
and you know what, I get the best offensive player
(14:29):
in college basketball on offense and I get to leave
him on the court. Plus you foul us. So yeah,
you give away some of who you are as a coach.
You want to play a tough, hard man and man
defense and turn people with That sounds great, but you
know what, you need that other dude at the other end,
And I think if you wanted to go miss calculation, Dan,
that's where I would say the miscalculation is. Culture is great,
(14:50):
defense is great, conditioning is great. Those things are all
part of what I'm trying to do. But you know, like, look,
we lost a game early this year where my leading
scorer I benched him because he misshoot around. You know,
wasn't a hard decision at the time, but then you're
looking up and you're down twenty and you're like, well,
if we had him, we could win this game, and
(15:13):
now I can get away with it in year one.
But man, I don't know. I don't know if I
would change decisions, right, honest with you. Right, So I
think that's what the miscalculation was, is that, Hey, culture
is important, and getting guys bought in is important. And look,
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the idea of paying a guy more money than anybody's
ever made in the NBA and he doesn't want to
come in shape, and he doesn't want to play defense,
and there's a lot I get it.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
But.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
And I will better win.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
I'll just quick say this, Dirk being there last night
for Luca. I know a lot of people are looking
into that and reading into that. I just think that's
more of him being the big brother. That this how
the trade has had trauma on Luca. That's how I
took Dirk's appearance last at all. They're going to be
there for the guy, not that he's abandoned the Mavericks,
but that he's just more being there for Luca.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
This is the best of the Don dot Leap Show
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Stugtleab Show Fox Sports Radio, coming to you from the
tyrec dot com studios. Dan Wicky is going to join
us in about four minutes. Maybe we'll get updated a
little bit and then we'll get to Dan Wiki. But
before we get to Dan, we have another Dan. It's
like it's all Dan Day. That's what it is. Everyone
has things they would like to take back, but few
(16:36):
are able to air it on the radio. That's why
Dan has his own buyer's remorse.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
Some have remorse.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
I am deeply sorry for my irresponsible and selfish behavior
I engagement, but.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
There's nothing quite like buyer's remorse.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
First of all, a tip of the cap to Doug Gottlieb,
who travels more than anybody that I know and still
is able to show up at work because I flew
in this morning. Guys from New Orleans came to work
at LAX, and I'll tell you what, I'm.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Dragging a bit today.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
So kudos to you, Doug, for all of the hundreds
of times that you've phoned here, there, and everywhere and
have popped on the show.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
I don't do it too much.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Maybe there's some scar tissue that makes you tough enough
to those experiences.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
But man, so do you know where I am today?
Speaker 4 (17:31):
No?
Speaker 3 (17:31):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Okay, I'm in OsO, Oklahoma. I'm in the coach's office
of my teammate and dear friend, Brian Montinatti. They're defending
state champions and right number one in Oklahoma. I just
popped in do the show here that I'm on my
way to Independence, Kansas, the Jayhawk Conference. If you know
junior college basketball, I'm gonna go recruit Cali County plays
(17:58):
Indy Independence tonight seven thirty and gonna go watch some
do some recruiting, because as much as you can watch
a ton on Synergy and other videos, nothing like seeing
a kid play in person. So I'm gonna pop into
one junior college on the way up to see two
junior colleges play and do some recruiting, and then out
at five point fifteen in the morning, land in Chicago
(18:24):
super early, like at seven fifteen, get up to the Bay.
Then we'll have the show tomorrow, and then we have
afternoon practice tomorrow afternoon in Green Bay.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
All right, well we'll get to mine.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
You're dead. What's that sleep when you're dead?
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Sleep when you're dead. I woke up early this morning
and I had buyer's remorse. I regretted my decision during
our time in New Orleans to not have a beignette,
a beignette, to beignet.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
How do we say.
Speaker 6 (18:52):
It beignet beignet? Is that it begnette bignette? Yeah, didn't
have one. I did not have one. I didn't either,
and people keep asking me why I didn't. I this delicious.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
I'm like going around the airport and it's like five
o'clock in New Orleans, and I'm like, this, maybe maybe
someone's got to be open. And I smelled what I
thought was fried dough and it was Auntie Annie's pretzels
warming up for the day.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
I thought.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
I was like, even if it was an airport one
I could say that I did. And I just regret
that I did not take advantage of that New Orleans
fair considering I'm not a gumbo or a crawfish or
any of that sort of stuff.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
It's amazing.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Abigne is amazing, And you know what you're right, I
have remre sight into the same thing. And you know,
I mean, I can't tell him. People like, Hey, you're
gonna stop a cafe Dumont, have some coffee in a.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Pignet, chickery coffee.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Oh, the chickery coffee is so good?
Speaker 3 (19:50):
What is what is chickery? Is it like bark?
Speaker 1 (19:54):
What is it? Delicious? You can there's actually a place
like there's a chain it's called Blue something in that's
in California. You can get the it's called the Nola coffee.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
I did get a can of that for my wife.
She doesn't know it, but that's her gifts coming back
from New Orleans.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
At least this texted me way to give up, way
to get the secret.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
It's blue Bottle coffee, the Blue Bottle and you get
the roasted chickory kit.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Yeah, you need to do blue bottle. Just go get
the Nola.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Oh that's good stuff.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
That's stuff.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
But I regret that I did not have a bignet.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
I regret that I ordered the hamahawk that night at
the restaurant we went to had Koshan. It's not that
I don't like hamhock. I like hamhocks in my my greens.
It's just it was all wild fair and there's so
many things. And Dan ordered this piece of fish that
looked beautiful.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Wow, Dan, you had fish. Yes, it's quite excited. I
do like fish. There's certain certain kinds that I like.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
You like that fish?
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Yes, it's very good. I ate the whole thing. Yes,
it was delicious. Did you guys have a muffa letter?
It's like a type of sandwich that are very own.
Chris Purfette kept talking about all super Bowl week?
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Can the home? No, you can get those muffle led
his store at Koshon Butcher. But no, he did not.
I mean I was on the ground, like literally, I
was on the ground. I said, forty hours. Something else
can do the map. I landed at eleven thirty on
Tuesday night and my flight took off at five thirty
on Thursday afternoon, so a.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Lot of time for tourism.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
I do not that we're giving a not that we're
giving an ad, but I do have to say Jason
and I went and had a you know, some roots
Chris Steak and people say, why do you go to
a chain?
Speaker 3 (21:43):
It's good? Yeah it is.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
It's magnificent. And it did start in Louisiana. Oh so
I didn't know that, Yeah, in New Orleans. So that
is so I didn't feel as guilty about doing that.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
And then I didn't feel as guilty.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Going back last night by myself and just having one
for the road.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Yeah, absolutely for you, I'll do the steak thing. So
my dear friends own a company called Malt Meats. They
supply all the meats for the high end restaurants in
the Midwest. And I think I told you I love
this cut of me called Hanger steaks. Yeah, the hanger cut.
Hanger is delicious. Anyway, Scott Perry brought it by my house,
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like a big box of them. So when I got back,
like I will sometimes make a steak for like breakfast
or lunch, I just will, so I actually get the
one for the road thing, Like, if you can have
a steak, why wouldn't you have a steak.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
I also felt I was going to be up early
so i'd still be hungry, or if at least I
let's have a good meal at night so I'm not
as hungry when I woke up and nothing was open
at the airport, and by goodness I was correct. Was
still pretty full when I woke up.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
In the morning.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
But I regret nonets. But I do have a kit
that my wife's going to have to try to make some.
She got that in the coffee, so if I we
make any at home, I'll bring him along.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Any other Barer's remorse. Nope, that's it, Doug, just all
food based Fuyers remorse.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Yeah, just one big one. I think it was pretty big.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Yeah, it's fine. Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports for Radio,
coming to you from the tyreck dot Com studios, and
let's talk to some NBA hoop show. We after Luca's debut. Plus,
of course you have Anthony Davis playing an incredible half
and then stop me, you've heard this before. Anthony Davis
is hurt, a guy who man, he covers this league
and knows it like the back of his hands. Dan Wiki,
(23:38):
he's kind of to spend some time with this year
on the Doug Gottlieb Show. Dan, First, where were you?
Where were you when you heard about the trade?
Speaker 4 (23:46):
I was in the press room at Madison Square Garden,
sitting down to craft a story about what I thought
was maybe the best Lakers winning the season, about a
team that seemed like it had really kind of like
really just started to believe in itself as like a
bon to five contender. And yeah, I mean, I think
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like everybody, I saw Shams's tweet and immediately got to
work calling people on this because, you know, Doug, it's
funny like how this works a couple of days earlier.
And I say this not to pretend like I knew
the trade was happening, because I didn't, but I had
heard that the Lakers were working on something with the
Dallas Mavericks, and I had heard it from a team
that would have been a third team to help facilitate
(24:29):
the deal, and even that team didn't know what was happening.
And I was spitballing with this executive like, you know,
could it be for Klay Thompson. Well, it wouldn't be
for Daniel Gafford, would it, because you know, Derek Lively's
hurt and nowhere I mean, I even got to maybe
it's Kyrie again. Like I'd never once considered Luka Doncic.
(24:50):
I don't think anyone around the league consider Luka Doncic.
And it was kind of a pretty bizarre experience to be
walking through the hallways of an empty Madison Square Garden,
while my other kind of fellow laker be writers are
all just on the phone, just yelling at her sources,
basically all skimming what the hell just happened?
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Okay, So once they found out, like, what is the
chatter with didn't wake you join us? By the way
covers the NBA for the La Times, What is that
shatter between all of the inside because that's I think
that there's a bunch of different pastating levels to the trade.
But the fact that no one had it right, no
one had it yeah, is amazing. What's the chatter been like?
Speaker 4 (25:31):
You know, it's been kind of you know, there's been
some sort of unwinding trying to figure out who knew
what and when right? And I think I mean, there
were some people like you know, JJ Redick learned on
Saturday of the possibility of the deal earlier in the day.
You know, there were PR staffers and stuff who were
aware that this was a we'll say a strong possibility,
(25:53):
so they were kind of on guard, but like nothing
like within you know, I mean, nobody had like six
hours notice this right, like it was this was all
very need to know. And really the people that seem
mostly the need to know like kind of the core
for the negotiations, right, the you know, the demand Edelson
family and you know, Jimmy Buss, Nico Harrison and Rob
(26:17):
Bolinka and I and I think I mean the agents,
you know, particularly Clutch Sports is not involved at all
in this, which was fascinating. It was a fascinating sort
of shift. And I think this was this was GMS
and ownership kind of reshaping their teams, the Lakers coming
out of this reshaping their future and Dallas making you know,
(26:39):
a pretty sizable bet against Luka Dancich and for their future,
and you know they've had just sort of a dreadful
week because of it.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Yeah, Okay, so let's get to the Lakers. I think
I think a lot of people have made a lot
of statements about what it means for the Lakers. Right.
The first thing is like outside looking in, like Rob
Polink is good for five years, Right, there's no you
can't get rid of the guy who got Luka Doncik
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whether or not it works out or it doesn't matter.
But what does it mean for the Lakers short term?
What does it mean for the Lakers slightly longer term?
So this year and then the next couple.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
Yeah, I think let's start with this year, Doug. I think,
you know, this was a team that, you know, the
Lakers don't really do anything quietly, right, but like they've
been playing awesome basketball for a few weeks now before this, right,
a team that had sort of turned its season around defensively,
a team that you know was finding sort of like
(27:44):
it's belief in the overall systems. They were getting healthy,
and you know, it started to put together some pretty
nice wins. You know, they had just beaten the Boston Celtics.
They had won, to know, I guess of the New
York City, you know, trending pretty well. And I think,
like you know, being around the team and talking to players,
there was a sense that, like, you know, maybe they
(28:05):
had a chance. Like I think everybody knew like a
lot would have to break their way, but maybe there
was a chance. And then I think, you know, there
was an immediacy of the deal, like some real kind
of morning about that, you know, because all of that
stuff and all the problem solving and everything like that
they had worked towards was out the window. That lasted
for a few days. Then they beat the Clippers, and
(28:28):
they come back and again shorthanded perform well and play
with that same sort of intensity. And now all of
a sudden, it's like, like, what's our ceiling if we
have Luka Doncic, Like how good can we be?
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Right?
Speaker 4 (28:39):
Like, this guy just went to the NBA Finals on
a roster that we think is worse than the one
we have now, Like, you know, he didn't have Lebron
James as a teammate, he didn't have Austin Leeves, Like, like,
you know, how good can we be? And I think
that's been the short term has been like you know,
this team has a real chance.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Now.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
The more interesting thing, Doug, I think is that for
the first time in twenty plus years of basketball being
played anywhere on this planet, a decision was made not
with Lebron James first and foremost on the Lebron James team,
Like this was about the next seven years. This is
about life with the Lakers post Lebron James. This was
(29:17):
about skipping all the painful steps that were assured to them,
you know, just in just once he goes away, right
like I'm not having draft picks, you know, having to
rebuild that way in an era where free agency isn't
quite the you know, the the green fields, the lush
green fields that has been in the past. Uh, it
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was going to be ugly and it was gonna be rough
and in like a blank you know, they're good, like
they're in. They're in a tremendous position.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
So now you think they're you think they're better now
than they were with Anthony Davis.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
I think they have a better chance to win now.
You know, I think their ceiling is high. There's going
to be real, real defensive concerns. There are things that
they're absolutely worse at today without Anthony Davis. Anthony Davis
was having a terrific season. You know, it's gonna be
an All Star head he stayed healthy, would have been
an All NBA player, like no doubt, right. And I
(30:18):
think Dallas, by the way too, in the short term,
like it solved like some real short term needs for
that team. It's just dog playoff. Basketball is different in
a way that like you know, while like positional size matters,
while like having dominant defensive bigs matters, like give me
a shot maker, like just like an all time tough
shot maker, and the Lakers had one of Lebron James
(30:39):
now they have two one of them, you know what
I mean, And it just opens up so much more
for Lebron. They're going to go into playoff series, Doug,
where you know they're going to have, if not the
two best players on the court, certainly two of the
best three, and virtually any matchup like like picket right,
and they'll have two of the best three players on
the court. And that's a good position to start at
(31:01):
in any playoff series.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Dann Wakey Joinny us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports for Okay, let's go to Dallas. Because
whatever they thought the reaction would be, I don't think
they thought the reaction would be this negative. That said,
I did find it ironic that that the reason supposedly
that they wanted to move off of Luca was personal
(31:26):
habits and keeping himself in shape in his injuries. Like, look,
Anthony Davis had had a great year last year of
not getting hurt and taking care of his body. But
that was the m of Anthony Davis, wasn't it.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
Yeah, it's you know, it was just really short sighted,
you know that that that, to me is I think
the biggest takeaway from all of this and being around teams,
and especially being around teams that like are really really good,
but you're not quite sure if they ever can get
to great. It's it's taxing. It's just really taxing. You
(32:00):
start to examine yourself in ways that's like really uncomfortable,
and you start having conversations of like are we really
good enough? Is this really worth it? What can we
do now? And you know, I don't want to pretend
to know what everything that was happening inside that neverage
front office and inside ownership there right, Like it seems
like it's a combination of all the reporting that's come out, right,
Like there are money issues that play, there are conditioning
(32:21):
issues I play. You know, there's this looming or was
this looming sort of you know, the richest contract in
NBA history for a player who you know their feeling
is going to increasingly have soft tissangers like, oh, that
stuff is fine and good. I think they misunderstood a
misread sort of like the cultural impact in that city
that you know, like homegrown stars have, you know, like
(32:44):
the Dirk Similarly, like I just had the bridge from
Lebron just just like what's coming next for the Lakers,
Like the Mavericks didn't have to go through that either,
because they went from Dirk to lucas you know, And
I have friends from Dallas. I have friends with Dallas
who don't even like watch memics on a regular basis,
who are like totally incensed by this, who like cannot
wrap their heads around this in a real way, and
(33:08):
you know who say things like even if we won
a title this year, it wouldn't be with it. And
I think it's just a misreading of sort of the
emotional ties that a player can have to a city
when it's like a special relationship when you see that player,
especially you know, a four more player from the age
of eighteen, Like they just mean a lot to that,
to those kinds of markets. And yeah, it's I mean,
(33:33):
I don't want to say it's a whip, right, Like
we don't know what's going to happen with Luca's body.
We don't know if Anythony Davis is back in four
weeks and is you know, wreck and Shop again like
he was in the first half before the trick. We
don't know any of that stuff. It just like when
you hear things like even if they win a title,
it's not gonna be worth it, Like, and I've heard
that from agents and stuff like that. You just kind
(33:54):
of just sepect and be like, why did this happen?
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Crazy? It's a crazy state, but yeah, crazy state. Dan.
Awesome job, man, love having you on. Thanks so much
for joining us. We'll talk soon, Okay.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
Thanks.
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guys came up with. I did not, So I'm not
gonna take I'm not gonna take credit for something I
didn't come up. Well, sometimes I will, but not today.
I want will not everybody does the Monday morning quarterbacking
on the you know you know, if if Pat Mahomes
wouldn't thrown then interception, then yeah, it's Monday money quarterback.
We're gonna do Tuesday morning quarterbacking you guys. Okay, it's
(35:00):
the day after the day after. So here's the first question, Dan,
I'll throw quite a couple of questions out to you guys.
We'll kind of discuss, right, all right, what now for
the Chiefs? And I say what now? Because teams that
lose the Super Bowl generally, and the Patriots are usually
(35:21):
the exception, and the Chiefs have been the exception usually
primed for a hangover. Does that happen with the Chiefs?
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Standpire, Yes, I think it does.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
I actually think that the last time when they lost
and made it back to the AFC Championship Game was
more of the anomaly than what is about to happen.
I think the team is going to start to take
on a different look. I know Mark Dominic was on
yesterday and said that he felt that it was an
easy fix in Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
And I don't know if that's exactly the case.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
I just think that there the other teams, if it's
not the Bills and Raven are going to be knocking
on the door.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
I think the Chargers will be better. I I don't
know what's going to happen with the Bengals.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
I expect the Texans to be better than what they
were this past year.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
I think there's going to be some competition and.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Just the the hangover of getting that far and not winning,
I think I think takes its toll well.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
And I also you're forgetting the other part. You know,
Travis Kelcey's over the hill.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
Yeah, yep, you know he's over the hill.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
And and you can you can get away with it
a little bit as a pass catcher for a long time.
You know Antonio Gates now in the Hall of Fame, right,
Remember he came out of retirement and he was still
able to catch balls. But what happens is when you're
not a good blocker and then you get older. Now
it's like one, it's just like older quarterbacks. They don't
want to get hit. And then two, yeah, you can't
(36:48):
move it all like you can you can run down
there and find the hole in the zone, or you're
just big enough to post a guy up. But I
think I agree with you. I do think it doesn't
mean it's over, but it's definitely gonna be time for
a refrash.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Yeah, and Doug, just even take all that away, just
the amount of success that they have had. It's been
AFC Championship game after AFC Championship game, and some of
the times they've gone on to the Super Bowl. Other
times they haven't lost to the Patriots. Mentioned the loss
to the to the Bengals. But it's gone on all
(37:23):
the way dating back to the Super Bowl fifty three season.
That's where we were with this. So this is this
has gone on a while. And I think just anything,
if you would look at any stretch of games, that
at some point these good things have to come to
an end.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
And I think that.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
There's just so many things primed for it to come
to an end. After Sunday's loss.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
You and I are actually in agreement there. And the
other part is it's like Denver looks stable. I don't
know if they're great yet, you know, but they look stable.
The Chargers are coming right. Like you can have all
these idiots on social media and some in the media say,
Jessin Herbert, isn't this isn't that he may not be
that was not a great roster that was in the
(38:03):
first year of them fixing and adjusting the roster, and
they were competitive with just about everybody. And now when
you get a year to get that roster kind of
more dialed in, my guess is the Chargers are coming.
I think the Patriots are going to be better. They
think they couldn't be worse. The Bills are right there,
the Ravens are right there, and the Steelers continue to
(38:24):
be a quarterback away. And I agree with you at
the Bengals, like what Joe Burrow says, if he says
it on TV, hey, I'm willing to take less money
to keep those guys. They're going to take them up
on that offer. The Bengals have Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase,
They're they're going to be competitive, and they couldn't have
had they couldn't have a worse defense moving forward. Right,
(38:44):
So I'm with you, okay about this one. What path
does Nick Sirianni take? Does he do the humble thing
now or does he continue to stir it up and
be smug and and do the Philadelphia at me against
the world thing.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
Oh it's.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
I don't know if this just popped into my head,
but it's like the first time, and you buy a suit,
like you gotta be the same person in that suit
that you you always were prior to buying it, or
you buying the suit to be the person that wears
the suit. And I think that's what comes along with
the Lombardi Trophy is now you've got the Lombardi Trophy,
so you have the suit.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
And if I think.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
He has to, I think it would be I would
think he would look ten times worse Doug if he
continued with the Shenanigans as a super Bowl winning head coach.
I think he has to shape up his act, not
be as cocky, if you will, arrogant, those sort of things.
I think he's got to clean up his act and
(39:54):
tone it down now that he's a super Bowl, super
Bowl winning head coach.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
I he went god. He went God squad in a
postgame interview, right do you guys see that he went
God squad? And that's usually the signal of like, Okay,
now I'm going to be humble. Now I'm going to
throw religion out there. That one's okay. Why was Mahomes
still in the game late? And I guess that if
(40:21):
you look on social media's was betting the reason he
was in the game light.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
I think that I think for sure they wanted to
get you mentioned Travis Kelcey earlier. I think for sure
they wanted to get him the all time Super Bowl
receptions record, which he did pass Jerry Rice for I
think that was a goal of the Chiefs in that game,
(40:46):
which I think then leads actually to the first question
of maybe the Chiefs know that they're not going to
be making it back every year after this, that let's
get this now, or to your point, Travis kelce is
done and there may not be another opportunity for him
to to play in a Super Bowl. I think that
was one of the reasons. I don't know why he
was in with three minutes left, but when he took
(41:06):
that hit on his arm with nine minutes left, I
would have pulled him at that point. And then the
next possession they got two passes to Travis Kelcey and
he passes Jerry Rice for the all time mark.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
HM. I didn't think of it that way. I didn't
think of it that way.
Speaker 7 (41:21):
That hit, by the way to the was it was
it Carter that got him in the face mask, two
hands to the face mask after the attempted bomb was
swatted away. One of the I think maybe if you
want to take one image from that game, like how
bad were the Chiefs? What was this game?
Speaker 1 (41:41):
Like?
Speaker 7 (41:42):
Just look at that five seconds of video him getting
two handed in the face after getting stripped on a pass.
It was amazing in the.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Face in the face. Yeah, okay, here's one. This is
gonna be more for Dan. Do you see that A
record one hundred and twenty six million people watched the
Super Bowl, And I think we would all agree the product,
at least in the Super Bowl was not good, and
yet more people watch than ever Dan commercials.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
Officially, the Zuropa Kendrick.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Lamar maybe to be if they were watching the right
super Bowl as opposed to that one family on TikTok.
But I'm I'm surprised in the the essence of how
nobody seemed excited for this game heading into it, and
for it to still break records is surprising that people
(42:40):
still will find a way to get together and party
and watch this game. It peaked in the second quarter
I saw, which is not surprising because that's when the
game actually ended.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
Yes, it was. I was ready to go right after
the halftime show completely ready to go. I was done.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
I can tell you this. Chiefs fans didn't leave. They
did stick around.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
They stuck around, and they were there in the fourth quarter,
but there was nobody. It's also I think the essence
of when you're at a super Bowl, you're like, well,
I'm not going to leave early. I just paid X
amount for this, and this may be the only time
I'm at a super Bowl. I'm not going to leave
in the third quarter because my team lost. A lot
of the Chiefs fans ended up staying, which I thought
was a tip of the cap.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
Yeah, yep. I just think like it's so much beyond
a football game, it doesn't even matter anymore. It's like,
we make a huge deal about Brady and people like
we love names. That's who we are as the people.
And when I say we, I don't mean sports fans,
(43:46):
I mean mainstream fans. And so we can crush Tom
Brady for he's not very good in his first year
doing broadcasting, but it's still Tom Brady and he looks
like a male model, right. And you can crush Kendrick
Lamar for being way too much to some artistic rap
(44:06):
halftime show. But again, I honestly think his Humble album
was great. I don't think most of the people who
tuned in to watch Kem Trick Lamar had any idea
about some of the previous songs, which were really popular songs.
I think it was more the they not like Us
like that was literally an anthem for everyone last summer
(44:29):
and carried on in and was the Song of the
Year and the Album of the Year at the Grammys. Right,
we love names, and the NFL is a name brand
now and they're smart enough to put Taylor Taylor Swifts
at the game. That's big. I don't care what anybody says.
Kendrick Lamar is a huge name. Tom Brady's a huge name.
Pat Mahomes is a huge name, and the Eagles in
(44:50):
the sports world have their own draw because they're that
team that everybody hates and everybody hates their fans. All Right,
that's it for a little Tuesday morning quarter. You don't
have the right go ahead.
Speaker 7 (45:01):
Final thought on that. So if I'm if I'm reading
this right based on the website, I'm on Sports Media Watch.
So the ratings have gone up incrementally since twenty seventeen.
How do we account for that? Because you know, the
the population of the country, the the amount of TVs
(45:24):
and homes haven't gone up. How do we account for
an increase in ratings each year? And Dan and I
we had that discussion yesterday about the quality of play
and it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
But how do we account for that? What does the
what do you think the difference has been each and
(45:46):
every year? The increase in popularity.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
Increase, the increase of access to betting is probably part
of it. Increase in popularity, and it's just become a thing,
a national holiday.
Speaker 7 (46:01):
I think the of the let's always spend both of
those things, though, I'm just wondering, why is it bigger
than ever?
Speaker 2 (46:06):
What did you say was since when? Since twenty what
are the last seven Super Bowls?
Speaker 1 (46:12):
What was the number?
Speaker 3 (46:12):
What did you say the twenty seventeen.
Speaker 7 (46:15):
Seventeen, let's just take let's just take the last three years.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
It's continued to go up.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
I think it's fair to take the last three years
because I think that there still was this COVID thing
going on, but for.
Speaker 3 (46:25):
Some reason, the numbers still ended uh ended up going up.
Speaker 7 (46:30):
In COVID during COVID, it was one hundred and one million,
and then the next year one twelve, then one fifteen,
and then last year one twenty two.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
It's crazy that how low it was during COVID, Like
what else did you have going on?
Speaker 7 (46:47):
Right, sick relatives, I guess.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
But even if you're sick year, like got a TV
on by the bed side, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
Yeah, and you would think that there would be more
whereas because people weren't getting together to watch, so there'd
be no TV units.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
Yeah, more TV gets a good call, that's a good call.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
I think that the the reason for the uptick is
maybe fomo where you may not be interested in it,
but you sure don't want to miss it, Like who
doesn't watch it? So you're gonna watch it. There's different
ways to consume it. I saw people getting together a
friend of mine on Facebook. They had like a neighborhood
(47:29):
block party, so they set out, you know, set up
a TV outside and kids are riding around their bikes.
Lives in California where it was still light out when
the game was going on, But doing those sorts of things.
I think it's the fear of missing out, in not
wanting to miss out, whether it be a commercial, a
halftime show, or the actual game
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