February 18, 2025 • 54 mins
On a Tuesday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug talks about the viral video of Rick Pitino screaming at his players and how that kind of coaching is still an acceptable, successful way to impact players.
Doug responds to the tweet by Lebron James making fun of Doug and the Green Bay basketball team.
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we've had moments with the fires where there's been a
lot of concern for everybody back in Los Angeles. But
if you're in the Midwest as we are, the Arctic
blast is here and it is chilly. It is absolutely Chile,
not like Santiago Chile, although maybe Santiago Chile in the
(01:06):
summer here which is the winter there. Okay, I got
a bunch of things to get to. Kd's comments about
fans and complaining about the All Star Game. Also, I
guess at some point, I guess I have to address
that Lebron James on his day off after bowing out
of the All Star Game, wants to tweet at me
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without tagging me. So I don't know, but we'll talk
about that. But I want to talk about Rick Patino,
who has turned around Saint John's in their second year
of having coach p And I've said this previously that
I think he's, uh, he's the He's the greatest all
around coach in the modern day history of the sport.
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There's no disrespect to coach k or to Bill Self
or to Jay Wright, Tom Izzo. These are amazing coaches.
But when you when you look at some of his
philosophies and you know a lot of it in terms
of how you judge their level of greatness is what
can be replicated, not just in terms of style, but
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in the little things that they've done that people copy forever.
And we can get into that sum But apparently there's
a docuseries on Vice and the docuseries is following them around.
And so I was asked by a bunch of people
if if speeches like this halftime speech from a game
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a couple of weeks ago. Work with this generation, they
gain and be a basketball player.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
They did.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Every time you miss a shot, you don't gain the flights.
We don't care about your miss shots. You guys keep
blowing opportunity upon opportunity upon opportunity. You're like children with
bad things happening, thinking it would be tougher you will.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Where is your toughness?
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Where have you, guys been raised that you're so weak
metally that.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
You just give up when something that's all right for you?
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Don't you know what adversity is all about. That's a
game of life, not the game of basketball.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
You don't get down.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
When things go wrong.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
You're think gonna get tougher. Your whole life's gonna be adversity.
You are dealing it. I love it.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
It's a message that we relate to our players. I've
relayed to my players time and again in different ways.
So I'll give you my thoughts on it. And then
Jase two, I know you had a bunch of questions
and this is kind of it's kind of a cool
exercise role if you if you get down to it.
The first thing is, you know I do. I try
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and give purpose filled pregame and halftime talks, you know,
and whether it's a camera in the locker room or
not in the locker room, you can't players see through
that if you want to be performative, you know, and
all of a sudden, there's a camera there, and now
you're gonna go into some grandiose pre game speech. Like
I feel like they see through that. They're not idiots,
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but I and I and you're not gonna connect with
all of them because many of them are in their
own kind of headspace, you know. Some of them are
just all they're thinking about is I got to make shots.
I got to make shots. Some are thinking about I
think my girls coming to night? Wait is my other
girl coming to night? I'm not really sure, right, I
hope they don't sit next to each other. There's all
you don't know what they're thinking of. But but what
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I try and do is I try and have a theme,
a theme of how we're going to win, and find
different ways to get across that message. But in regards
to adversity and what players do and how they act,
like this is not a new thing, right, The idea
of guys sol or holding their heads when they misshots
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and coaches trying to get them out of it. That's
not simply a gen Z thing that was my generation.
Anybody's generation. There are guys that can't function when they
miss shots. But challenging guys to find the inner self
toughness works. But you have to know which players a challenge.
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And I'll just give you something I've learned this year.
So that's a lot of the messaging that I have.
Sometimes in a different way, we've talked about like, look
we up until Sunday. We lost twenty one games in
a row, and there were times in which I try
and jump them at halftime or during a timeout, and
they would wilt. They're too young, they're not from the
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type of background. Some kids, you got to know their background.
Some kids, you can literally call them any name of
the book, and now they start to play. Some you
even insinuate that you're calling them a name, and they're done.
They can't play. And it doesn't necessarily have to do
with how a hardcore dude is. I played in college
with a guy who is immensely talented. If you got
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on him personally, he couldn't play in the second half.
But if you said the whole team isn't playing hard enough, now,
all of a sudden, he would play way harder. So
you got to know your team. And it doesn't hurt
me Rick Patino who's won a national title at Kentucky
and Louisville and taking Providence and taking Providence to a
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Final four as well. So you have to know your team.
You have to recruit the types of players that respond
to that type of coaching. And if you're you know,
a coach in your seventies who commands respect in every
gym you've ever walked into and people kind of bow
at your feet, well, then you can you can challenge
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players and use words that you have done it before,
you've overcome it, versus you've coached better teams. It's just
different when you're younger, you're less experienced. You know, guys
can pick that up. So I love it, and I
think everyone actually got a couple of texts. I have
a guy named Jerry Smith who just got done with
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a thirteen year professional career he played. He's from Milwaukee.
He played for coach p at Louisville for four years.
And I had a couple buddies in the industry text
me last weekend, what's the secret to Rick Patino? And
I don't think the secret is in those impassioned speeches,
although that's part of it, that's part of it. I
think a good portion of it is his. You know,
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the conditioning aspect of it builds in the mental toughness
of it. And you're like, well, how does that work? Well,
if you're in great shape, If you're in great shape
in order to get into greate shape, if you push
yourself beyond the aerobic thresholds, you push yourself beyond any
reasonable level of fatigue. If you can do that, well,
then basketball is easy. That's the message that you relate
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to players. So I love it. I'm intrigued. Do you
know a little bit about how the sausage is made?
And I'm interested in how this series plays out. Jaseter,
you had some questions about it.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
Yeah, you know what, Before I do that, I like
to play our imaging. So can we ask the coach
there's a question the niece an answer, and the answer
is if only there.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Was someone with the authority and the wisdom to give
us that answer.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
No, I'm the head coach. I get to set the schedule.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Hold on, let's ask the coach.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
So my question is this, okay, future recruits, I don't know.
I don't know how people live nowadays, so maybe you
can answer that too. So if I'm the parent of
a potential Division I basketball player, okay, and a guy,
a kid who has options, and I see this video
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going viral, does the parent of gen z now is?
Are they put off by people addressing their kids that way? No,
it's not. It's not something to even consider in the
you know, the old traditional living rooms, you know, like
I know, people live on wine now, so this, I
guess this would be a living room thing. You don't
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consider the parents.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
I'll give you. I'll give you a little bit, okay.
So Sunday, okay, I was. I was very frustrated how
we played in the first half on Friday, and I
thought I thought Friday in the second half, we played
incredibly hard. We didn't necessarily play well, but you know,
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a little bit of bad luck. We still don't have
our starting center, you know the town Levy's been out
with a concussion for a couple for both of these games.
He suffered at Monday wasn't cleared. So I was frustrated
by that I was frustrated by how he played in
the first half, and then I was just frustrated, you know,
at the losing whatever. And then we had maybe the
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worst shoot around of our season on Sunday morning, and
it's at two o'clock game, so you're trying to figure out,
like do we get them up at nine o'clock or
do we let them sleep in and have a pre
game meal and watch some film. And I decided, you
know what, I'm tired of them being asleep in the
first half. We're getting them up and it looked like
your classic sixth grade team playing at seven am. Like
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they were yawning, their hair wasn't comb they hadn't shaved
or brush their teeth or whatever. And I was like, oh, yeah, yu.
And to start the game, we were playing sort of hard,
but we could not score. And I felt like we
didn't get a couple of calls and we're down fifteen
to four to start the game. Just can't We're not executing,
we're not cutting. I thought maybe we're asleep, we're getting
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intimidated all the things, and so I was losing my mind.
Actually got a technical foul, a technical foul, and my
assistant Jordan McKay pulled me aside and he actually told me, Hey,
so and So's dad is here here today. If you
want any hope of getting that kid, try not to
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act like a crazy person for the next hour and
forty five minutes. And I was like, okay, let's stab Like,
was I acting that crazy or we just not playing well? Anyway,
we proceed to go on a twelve zero run, and
I thought my energy was on point. The point of
it is, I think there's a way to do it.
I don't think. First of all, it's different ones Rick
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Patino than has Doug Gottlieb. Right, I've won three games,
He's won eight hundred and national championships. He can get
away with things that I can't. He's a grandpa, so
he can tell them the hard truths, even though we
tell them the hard truths. But what I found is
that most parents that's what they want now. They may
not want their kid benched, they may not want their
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kids games limited, but they want them at least told
and sort of taught life lessons. Because it is your job,
Like you become their dad, you have to become their advocate.
You have to find them their first job, their first agent, whatever,
if they want to go into coaching, you got to
help them get to coaching as well. So you are
like a father figure. And I haven't had anyone. You know,
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I talk to all of my parents, all my parents,
but I'm at some point in the year I touch
base with all my parents and you know, each one
of them. I have to understand. The relationship with the
with the player is different. You know, my best player,
Anthony Roy, has been out and I never met his
dad until we played Ohio State. His dad looks like Debo.
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His dad's the best. But I don't call his dad
all the time to like, tell on, tell on Anthony
when I'm not. But when something's not going the way
it's supposed to be going, I call his dad and
his dad's like, I got it, don't worry about it.
And our deal is is really simple, Jason. Our deal
is neither of us need anything from Anthony. Right, he's
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doing well financially, he doesn't like. I would love to
have him back as he's trying to come back from jury.
But if he doesn't like, okay, Like that's the nature
of this. His first year, which is we had the
nation's leading scorer and he's gotten hurt if he's not ready,
Like again, I'm not gonna make him play just so
for my team, from my record, for my ego, if
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he's not comfortable and ready to play, but all the
other stuff, I got to make sure I'm on top
of him. And our working relationship is we just want
what's best for him, which wanted to graduate, and let's
figure out next year together while he gets healthy and
he works in his game and he stays out of trouble.
Now I have another parent, I'll just leave the kid where.
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You know, a kid was doing he wasn't doing well
in one of his classes, and all I had to
say to the player was, Hey, if this continues, i'm
gonna have to call your dad and talk to him
about it. And he was like, coach, don't call my dad.
And sure enough, he didn't do well on like a
subsequent test. I called his dad and his dad was like, well,
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he told me he was doing okay. I was like,
not by our standards. And the kid has missed a
study session nothing all a's ever since. And all I
said was, I don't think he's giving the level of
effort that you and your family would want him to
give it to his studies done. So, the answer to
your question is, most parents want their kids to be disciplined.
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Most parents want their kids to understand how to push
to adversity. Most parents want their son to be coached.
Want don't want their son to be coddled. Most the
ones that like the coddling oftentimes are not the parents.
Sometimes they are like that, and usually that's not a
kid you're going to recruit. And even with those kids,
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some of them, you have to You just got to
be cast on which kids you call it individually, because
that's when the parents can get defensive. That's when the
players can shut down on you.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
I totally get that and allow me to kind of
put it this way, Okay, Uh, my generation and your
generation never had to deal with terms like toxic workplace,
like MICROAGGRESSI Rick Patino's generation obviously not. I just keep
that in mind when I think about like parents of
this generation and you're telling me that they're the parents
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after watching that video would not be deterred because they
are probably thinking, no one has ever spoken to my
son that way, No teacher, not me, not an AAU coach.
That would be seem seem to be like a shocking
thing to hear from somebody. But what you're saying is
that most parents in general welcome that treatment.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Yes, interesting, I would say, the only issues you have
with parents, and yes, sometimes coaches can step out of line,
the only issues you have with parents, for the most
part are I mean, I again, we treat them well.
So it's not like player treatment, but it's it's more
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in playing time and role in what their short term
and long term future looks like. And then sometimes it's
with other players, you know, in terms of things going
on behind the scenes that a head coach might not
be aware of. For the most part though, in regards
to motivating them, and you know, even calling their generations
soft like they're all parents, they all think they are too.
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So for the most part, that's not an issue, Sam,
you got one. Anybody else got one, right? I listen.
Patino's amazing and his ability to flip things, obviously helped
by by a huge financial backing. And the other part too,
it is you know, he always points out, my team
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can't shoot, yet we still score, we still play well,
and that's because they're unbelievable defensively, and he gets he
he went from Remember last year he called out his
team for being slow footed, Well he scrapped all those guys. Now,
these guys can't shoot, but they are not slow footed.
So it's pretty obvious what he thinks wins.
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I hope you're having a great day. It is cold
and blustery in the Midwest. I'm sure it's It's okay
(17:19):
in California, right, Florida is the only place it's like
relatively warm today.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Yeah. Yeah, mid seventies and sunny.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Mid seventies and sunny, and.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
We just got a bunch of rains. So everything's starting
to turn green around here.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
Yeah, it's green Bay.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
Are you seeing any green anywhere there?
Speaker 1 (17:36):
No?
Speaker 5 (17:37):
Or no no green in Oklahoma either, I bet no brown.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Or no, no, no green Bay. We probably got about
a foot of snow over the last week, and then
cold front went through last night. It was minus thirteen,
which felt like minus twenty five, which feels like dying
pretty much. It's like like cryo only over your whole
body and you don't you just pay for it. That's
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really it.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
Feeling like Jack Nicholson in the end of the Shining
Right very much where he stuck in the maze.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Very very much, very much. So, Yeah, yesterday I was
traveling and you know, like, look, there's like a high.
We have won a game in eighty nine days, and
it's just hard. I mean, I only think I have
to explain that to most human beings. You know, when
when your season started out with such hope and positive
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energy and obviously overscheduled but whatever, and then you know
between a rash of injuries and mostly an injury to
your best player, leading scorer in the country. But also
you know, this weekend we didn't have you know, a
Ton Levy. Previous weekends we didn't have Marcus Hall. These
are just names to you. But if you looked at
the top of our skying port, the top three guys
in our skyting port have never played together, and two
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of them have played like five games together in only
one time where they both healthy and on that time.
A team we played this week and is very good,
Youngstown State. We led by ten with nine and a half
to go. So you frustrated over the injuries, You're frustrated
over losing. You're just frustrated. But we've had incredible support
from the community and from the school and even from
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the boosters and the players, like, my guys are awesome.
So we finally get a win Sunday, and we played
really well defensively, really really well against Wright State, right
States in Dayton, and they have a tremendous player named
Brandon Noel. He was just a big challenge for us.
So we win. Everyone piles over because the game was
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on campus or on campus facility, piled over to a
bar and restaurant called the Black Sheep, and then you
know it's still time to go out to dinner. And then
went out to dinner, and everywhere you go people are stopping, hey,
wait it go it'll win a game, Like you're just
feeling good. And I've always gone and seen people after
we lose. But don't get me wrong, like I don't
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need the you know, the pity stuff doesn't feel good either,
but there's just a high, and then the high kind
of wears off. And then the next day you're traveling.
You got a day off and you got things to do.
So I land and all of a sudden, there's like
thirty some on text mess and I keep in mind,
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when we finally won, there was I counted three hundred
and seventy within two hours of the game of friends, family,
other coaches, just people. You know, They just all of
a sudden start filling out your Your phone's buzzing, and
you're like, man, I got to get back to all
these people. So I didn't really I didn't really look
at them because I was trying to do my best
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to It's President's Day, there's not a lot going on.
I got the day off. I'm not going to look
at Twitter. I'm not going to look at my phone.
I have a couple of phone calls to make, so
I put the phone in my pocket and I'm driving,
and all of a sudden, my buddy, Brian Montinatti calls me.
He's a high school coach at A wasa high school
in Tulsa. He's like, what did you do to Lebron?
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I was like, I don't even know what you're talking about, dude,
what do you mean. He's like, like, Lebron just coming
at you on Twitter. I was like, what do you
I haven't been on Twitter all day. Come on. I
was like, I haven't been on the bird all I've
been traveling. So I read the tweet and it was
there's some Twitter handle called college Basketball Report who likes
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to like to troll me. And it's not like one
that anybody goes to. It just somehow pops up in
your feed. And it gave our record, our previous record
at two and twenty two or something. And so Lebron
did laughing emoji's and had a little trash talk within it.
And I came on yesterday and I thought what I
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said I still fits right, Like if honestly, I'm not
big on what other people think of things, I'm just
not like you think something's a bad look that's on you.
I'm gonna do. I'm gonna do me. That's work me
for forty nine years. I think it's gonna keep working.
But I I think if we're honest with ourselves, and
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people with Lebron, for whatever reason, can't be honest with themselves,
like you're either team Lebron or team Jordan, and that
means somehow you have to diminish Lebron, which I don't
really understand. But if your team Lebron, it's like, yeah,
messed with the King, and I'm not even sure what
I messed with. But I think if you're honest with yourself, like, Okay,
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he's on All Star break, he's got a bad ankle,
or so we're told it's his day off, it's my
day off. I just I don't know if you're worth
you know, five six hundred million dollars. Why are you
tweeting at me on a bigot an off day. And
(22:52):
I can only think that it's pettiness that you know,
something popped up at his feed. I don't know, but
you know, it's like you're supposed to like responding why
for what? Oh, you're catching strays? I just if Jason's
a pretty good judge. So, Jay, if I ever look
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that way, like I'm sitting at home and I'm lonely
and bored on a day off, and I start trolling
people and tweeting at them, please be a friend and
go like, hey, dude, you look well, you feel like
Lebron looked that day.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
You know, I'd say that to your face.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
That's aptuate for that.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
Yeah, I think this. I think this specific situation, if
we were to look into this, speaks to your incredible
ability to piss people off and to get on people's radar.
Lebron James is one of the most famous people on Earth.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I think he's probably the most famous athlete in the world.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Yes, and you know there have been blogs written. I've
read them all. I'm sure you have. Maybe not that
speculate that it had to do with either you calling
his kid to make a wish or you saying that
he wouldn't start on your college basketball team. I'm guessing
one of those two comments that went viral got on
Lebron's radar somehow.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
But like but like months later, like the like the
college basketble thing was when Dan asked me, I thought,
Dan Patrick ask mean we talked about in the summer, right,
And just for the record, Anthony Roy is better than
Brownie James. If anybody wants to dispute that, anybody like
Anthony Roy when he's healthy, is better than Bronnie James.
Now he's older than Bronnie James. And you know, he's
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only played I think what ten games this year, but
he was averaging twenty seven points, leading the country in
three point and affect the field goal percentage. Like Anthony
Roy is a better basketball player six days a week
and twice on Sunday than Brinnie James. It's not close.
It's not close. It's not close. It's not close. Now
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that doesn't mean I think Bronnie wouldn't be a very
good college player. And obviously six months later, based upon performance,
I think he would play. I think he probably would start.
My thing is he's just not a point guard. And
you know, if we want to pick and choose his
Chier league stats, he's had a couple of good games.
He doesn't look like he belongs in the NBA, and
(25:19):
the NBA is hard man, But I mean, look, I'll
stand by it. It's a joke that he played in
the NBA, especially like what are they doing? And everyone
thinks that. My issue with it is, if that's your
problem and you're going to spend the time to tweet
at me, then there's clips of that available on Twitter.
(25:39):
Use that one, you know, or maybe in a timely manner,
or here's actually what you should do, which is what
I've done on Twitter, which is why does he care? Now?
I actually take it as a portion of respect that
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plenty of people have said things about Bronnie not belonging
in the NBA, including many of my friends in the NBA,
But I'm the one he chose to tweet at. Now.
Maybe that's because he respects my opinion, my opinions respected.
Maybe he thinks because he thinks it's it's fun and
you know, you're like defenses, Like what am I gonna
say lebron James? I'm not sure, but yeah, that was
(26:25):
that is it's if that is your issue, make it
your issue. And the other part to it is what
I don't think everybody realizes, and this remains true, is
I'm gonna defend my guys over anybody. I don't care
if we won three games, not their fault, you know,
not their fault. But I would love to see Jeremiah
Johnson and Bronnie James go head up. Do I think
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Bronnie's improved during his time in the NBA. Yeah, he
was not a good college player. Last year they were
a last place team and he did not start. And
when he did they did not win. He had one
kind of breakout game where I think they got smoked
or maybe they smoked to Oregon State. I can't remember.
It was on the road. I watched. I watched, but
it's like, look, it's hard refreshment, and I get it,
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but I just like, what are you doing on a Monday,
you know, blindly tweeting at somebody who seven or eight
months ago said something you might you obviously disagree with.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
But to your point, Doug, I think you hit on it.
Like how many hot takers in our industry would have
loved to get a retweet from Lebron James or a
quote tweet Like I looked at that yesterday and fifty
three million Twitter followers got to see Doug Gottlieb and
Green Bay in the same tweet. How many people googled
(27:42):
green Bay basketball yesterday because of that tweet. To me,
it's a net positive for you. I know you don't
take it personally, and I know you're going to defend
your guys, But in our industry, there's no real such
thing as bad publicity. In fact, the fact that he
that you got on his radar is win in my book.
In the content generation, world. Many people would like to
(28:05):
do trade places with you today.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Oh, I appreciate that. I understand that. I think what
I take great pride in is I don't think it
was a hot take, and it wasn't. You know how well,
here's a question, how would you define a hot take.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
I wasn't calling your take on Brannie a hot take.
I honestly think that was a very genuous opinion. Genuous
Is that a word? No, I was just saying that
how many of the Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
They would love to, they love to. Matter of fact,
a lot of guys do that just for reaction, and
I don't. I never have and I never will. I'd
like to think that's how I separate myself is Have
I had some takes which people call hot takes? Sure?
Have I tick some people off with opinions, Sure, But
(28:53):
I believe all of them have been with the context
of what my actual opinion is based upon my or
somebody who's really close, uh in the sport, you know,
whatever sport it was in terms of opinion. And I
agree with you. And that's, by the way, what my
bosses at Green Bay get and what our boss at
Fox Sports Radio get, which is there's absolutely value in it. Now,
(29:18):
I've worked at one other place that uh that would
be shaking in their boots over that, and they would
probably want me to put out an apology tweet. I'm
not even kidding one of the one of my previous stops.
It's not Fox Sports Radio, and uh yeah, that's that's sorry.
(29:41):
It's kind of an interesting day though, right, like a
nothing day in sports and Lebron James.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
I don't know, but you and I we've had we've
had harry conversations.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
How good would it be for you? Real quick before
you don't forget your don't forget your question or your statement.
But can you imagine having a day and not having
anything to do? When was the last time you had
a day during the week and you had nothing to do? Yeah,
that's rare, I mean, And to think like on that day,
(30:14):
you're like, huh, I'm gonna go on Twitter. Huh, I'm
gonna randomly tweet at Doug Godley. There you godding that
would if I lived in la and I had upwards
of six seven hundred million in the bank, in the
list of things I'd be doing, it would not make
the list.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
Sometimes the best way to decompress is to do nothing
at all, and for Lebron James, maybe nothing at all
just means firing out a random tweet.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
It did scrw up my day, though, because I was
so determined to not look at social media and not
beyond the bird and honestly not be texting all day
just because I got a chance to have dinner with
all my kids last night, and yeah I was. It
screwed me up.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
He took more grief than you did. I don't know
what the term is by gen Z now, is that
ratioed or something, But like if you look at his comments,
people are going after him for sending out a tweet
about Doug Gottlieb when he's the one who cost some
guy a chance at an All Star appearance the day before,
and you know, clean up your own house. Like he
(31:20):
was getting more crap for that tweet than you were.
He had dated info.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Well yeah, yeah, all my my, my players like, coach,
what'd you say, Lebron? And can you tell him? They
they called me from the gym. They're like, coach, what
did you say, Lebron? And then can you tell him?
We won three games? Not too It's really really we're
on a one game winning streak. We're on a winning streak.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
Let's go. But I was I was about to say
that there's a You and I have had very candid
conversations on the air, off the air, on our podcast
about your ability to piss people off, and I did
not understand the depth the line of people that were
just waiting to kick you in the teeth if this
thing wasn't going to work, or wasn't working or you
(32:04):
started losing. I've been surprised at how many people are
really liking this, And to think that Lebron James is
on that list of people just waiting in the weeds
to fire off that shot, it's to me, it's incredible.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Yeah, I'll say this to anyone who thinks that it's
because I've treated people poorly in the industry, That's absolutely
not the case, right. That's the things I'm defensive of,
Like I've been as good a team in as I
can be. I haven't been perfect in every way, but
I try and help people in the business. I try
(32:41):
to help people get into the business, and I honestly
believe that it's do you remember what Lebron said about
people who still go back to the Dallas stuff on
TV and on social media. No one he said what
he talked about, something about Lebron. There's something about how
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they're really unhappy in their own lives. And I gotta
believe that's what a bunch of this is, right, Why
else you have to have some level of unhappiness in
your own life. And I'm not saying it's just like
a Lebron or or it's the grossest thing, the grossest
(33:27):
representation of our society. And what's interesting is I've had
people hop in the Instagram page whatever, and we put
out videos and yes, I approve the videos, but I
don't cut the videos, edit the videos. You know, they're like, coach,
that's okay with you, Yeah, could go post it, but
(33:48):
you know all kinds of just ridiculous comments and you'd
be amazed, Jasu, I'll show you some of these dms
where I'll go like, hey man, thanks for paying attention
to my team. If you'd like tickets, let me know.
And when you do that, that all of a sudden
they're like, hey, I'm always been a big fan. I'm
just messed with you, right, Like did you read your tweet?
Did you see what you wrote, it's crazy. It's crazy.
(34:12):
So somehow Twitter has become a place where you just
want to say the most vile stuff and Instagram the
most vile stuff, and it's like everyone tries to top
the other and in terms of people lining up, like
that's right, all of the all the digital footprints still exists.
So Rome was not built in a day. In a day, Sammie,
(34:37):
what'd you think.
Speaker 5 (34:39):
Of what part of all this just that he did it?
Or or what what specifically?
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Huh?
Speaker 4 (34:45):
I mean, what's what you mean?
Speaker 5 (34:46):
What do I think about what specifically the lebron putting
that out or what did I think?
Speaker 4 (34:52):
It was?
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Like?
Speaker 5 (34:52):
Yeah, yeah, it was like he didn't even It's like
he wasn't even really trying to get your attention, because
if I remember it, he didn't tweet at you. He
just like took like a screenshot and like quote tweeted it, didn't.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
He he just quote tweeted.
Speaker 5 (35:06):
Yeah, it was random.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
I do I did.
Speaker 5 (35:08):
Look, you know, on some comments on things, and you know,
someone said like, oh, a parent never forgets you know,
because if it did have to do with Brownie, then
like a parent never forgets that.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Here's the difference. Here's the difference. Here's the difference. Okay,
this is a disservice he did to his son. Okay,
if you don't want your son to be critiqued, okay,
if you don't want like this is the old man
in the arena thing no one knows. And the reason
(35:37):
I can take it is because I've been in the
man the arena. I put myself in front of you know,
in front of this fire. I'm okay with it. Like
I'm fine, I'll check clears, I'm good. Okay, kids love me,
family loves me. I have a great I have two
great jobs. Bosses are happy. We're fine. Okay, this too
shall pass. But the security in a great player. And well,
(36:03):
you can't be critical of my son. He's a professional
basketball player. Hey, he went from being a bench player
on a bad USC team to being a bench player
in the NBA when no one had him evaluated as such.
Speaker 5 (36:20):
If if yes, you for the Lakers, not just for
the Lakers, the Lakers.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
For the Lakers, and like, look, dudes make fun of
Jannis's brothers all the time, all the time. Okay, like
you didn't know, he didn't know. This is how it's
going to be. And by the way, none of my
commentary was unfair, zero zero, none of it. So but
(36:50):
but the idea that he acts like the parent never
like this is not like he was playing on a
high school team and you know in a high school game,
like he's stunt last night, or you know, pick apart
that there's a video back in the day of him
smoking a joint on on one of the apps or
something like, I don't care like that. Yeah, I don't
(37:11):
go into that stuff. But if you're gonna play in
the NBA, if you're gonna place your son in the arena,
if you're gonna get drafted in the NBA, if you're
gonna have JJ Reddick tell the world he had earned
that earned it, then yeah, you're gonna leave yourself open
for criticism. Just like if we don't win during my
(37:34):
five year contract, I'm gonna leave myself open for criticism.
It's okay, Like that's the deal, that's the job. You Now,
if we don't do a good radio show and we're
gonna put our voices to it, like you open yourself
up for criticism, or if you're gonna spew facts that
are inaccurate, you know, in terms of the reasons for
your takes. So I understand this, Like, well, he's a
(37:56):
Dan Byers said, I guess it's his son. It's different.
I get it. Okay, we're all My high school coach
who became a great junior college coach. He would always say, like,
can't talk to the parents. They're blinded by love. They
don't see it. I do understand that. But this is
not high school, middle school, AAU, it's not even college.
(38:17):
It's the NBA. It's the Lakers. Hey, And if you're
not comfortable with that, then maybe don't force him into
the NBA. But I have no response for a dude
on a day off who's got millions of dollars sitting
in LA tweeting at me, other than I just wouldn't
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be on my list of things to do.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
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Speaker 1 (38:50):
Doug Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Radio Live from the Tirech
dot Com studios. John Middlecalfill join us in about four
or five minutes. Get to I Low with an update
in a second as well. I saw this from ESPN
the Bengals are hoping to pull off an ambitious and
expensive offseason. They'll attempt to secure a Trio stars to
new deals, Jamar Chase, T Higgins and defensive end Trey
Hendrickson to a long term deal, sources told ESPN. Of course,
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this comes in the back of a Super Bowl where
Joe Burrow said he would restructure his contract to keep
T Higgins, to keep Jamar Chase. They offered, you know,
T Higgins, a franchise tag deal, which makes sense, right
you franchise tag T Higgins, you rework Burrows deal, and
then Hendrickson and Chase and Jamar Chase they signed deals
(39:35):
that don't kill you against the cap right away, but
it does kick the can down the road. And outside
of Trey Hendrickson, they need a lot of change on defense.
Higgins would be the guy I'd like to move, but
I'm guessing that while they have him in that holding
holding pattern of a of a franchise tag, that's when
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they can look to shop him. But they probably hold
on to him because they don't don't think he has
the value, knowing he wants a gigantic contract and he's
only gonna They're only gonna trade him. If he's promised
that gigantic contract, well that's job Minikoff. For the reality
of that is the first it's scatastic. Glow and cry
and get it. Update Ilo, Good afternoon, Doug.
Speaker 6 (40:13):
The Toronto Blue Jays failed to reach agreement on a
contract extension with star first baseman Vladimir Guerrero Junior by
his Monday deadline, Guerrero entering the final season of his
contract here in twenty twenty five. And here's what Guerrero
himself had to say today.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Well, I don't know.
Speaker 7 (40:33):
Hey, o yamane, then.
Speaker 6 (40:38):
Those anybody here speaks Spanish? Miny chance? No, well it's
a good thing. I'm just kidding. He did have a
translator with him.
Speaker 7 (40:49):
No, we did not got an agreement today. I mean
they had their numbers. I have my numbers. But you know,
this is distens Like I always say, things happen.
Speaker 6 (41:01):
ESPR reports free agent infielder Justin Turner's agreed to a
one year, six million dollar deal with the Chicago Cubs,
pending of physical Los Angeles Angels owner Ardy Moreno. It's
old reporters today that the Angels are projected to lose
between fifty and sixty million dollars this year and reiterated
that he has no plans to put the team up
(41:21):
for sale. Finally, in the NFL that Detroit Lyons hired
former Stanford head coach David Shaw as their new passing
game coordinator. Doug back to you.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Thanks Iilo, Doug Gottlieb Show. You're on, Thanks Heilo, Doug
Gotlip show here on Fox Sports Trader. Let's welcome in
John mittlecaugh three. Now it's the podcast you here on
the Volume podcast network, and we'll start with the Bengals.
How realistic is it that they can resign Hendrickson and
Jemar Chase Anti Higgins.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
Well, I think the Hendrickson anytime you prioritize the fast rushers,
smart move. I mean, the guy's an enormous dominant figure.
I think you have to look at how you build
the team and does it make sense. You know, Jamar
Chase is obviously not just an elite receiver, I means
one of the best players in the NFL. So you're
talking one hundred and thirty, one hundred and forty million
(42:07):
dollars guaranteed. And you know Brandon Ayuk last year got
seventy five eighty guaranteed. So you're talking to Higgins what
ninety ish million, So you're I mean, you're investing two
guys at that position at a pretty astronomical number. You
actually have one of the highest by quarterbacks. And then
if you resigned Hendrickson, that's a lot of money, you know,
at a redundant you know, two guys that play the
(42:29):
same position. So to me, I know, Burrow has been
pretty outspoken. I commend him for supporting his guys, and
you're doing it in a professional manner. But I don't
know if that's the right way to build a team.
I personally would try to do like a tag of
trade or something. But I think they are a little
worried that. You know, Burrow is not happy with everything
(42:51):
going on.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Totally understand. Doug Gottlieb show, you're on Fox Sports Trader,
that's the voice of John Middlecall three Now is his podcast. Okay,
let's talk quarterback market, all right, What do you think
happens to Sam Donald?
Speaker 3 (43:06):
You know, I think for the last two games were
pretty jarring, and I thought he was going to get
a contract extension. I would say the feel of it
right now now, granted I think we're going to have
a lot more information coming out next week at the
combine when O'Connell and the GM are meeting with agents.
But it does feel like they're probably gonna let him
(43:26):
hit the free agent market. And you know, Baker Mayfield's
number is kind of unique, right, one hundred million dollars
guaranteed for a guy that I sayed last year was
what a top seventy eight quarterback in the NFL through
forty flus touchdowns and just the I death. I mean,
he was pretty darn good most of the year. Is
Donald that good? And I don't know, I'd rather have
(43:49):
Baker Mayfield on my team than Sam Donald? But that's
would he even accept the number like that? Is that
the type number that teams would be willing to, you know,
get in business with him. And the difference though is
Jason White gave him that extension. They'd already had him
for a year, so they knew him pretty well. I
think when we talk about Sam Darnold, like, I don't
see Minnesota probably giving him that. Now, well, the Raiders,
(44:12):
the Giants, some of these other teams in the quarterbacks,
are they going to jump in with a guy that
they don't know, So I'm pretty fascinated. I could you
could convince me that he gets something like that. He
convinced me he gets a one year, twenty five to
thirty million dollar deal. Maybe he goes back with the
Minnesota Vikings for a year. I think it's all on
the table with him.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
Yeah, Doug got the show here on Fox Sports Tradio books.
John Middlecoffe is our guest, and so you know, I'm
I'm intrigued by Aaron Rodgers, okay, because he goes back
to New York, okay. And you know, there's two different
stories that come out. One says they didn't want him back,
and they I was like, well, we want him back,
(44:53):
but we don't want him back if he wants to
do McAfee, if he wants to skip stuff, whatever, all
reasonable things. And Jay Glazier's tweet was basically, Hey, if
he didn't want to play football anymore, why would he
go back and talk to the jetsbuck come back and
playing football? So I guess the first thing is, do
you think he wants to play football some more? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (45:12):
I mean I think most of these guys, I think
if recent memory shows, they kind of got to get
really pushed out. I mean Peyton Manning that last year
couldn't throw, and remember that offseason he was sniffing around
up he didn't want to retire, but no one would
really take them. You know, Roethlisberger and Freeze their arms
kind of fell off, and I don't think either of
them wanted to quit. I just don't think they had
(45:33):
really any other options. There aren't many jobs in America
that say, even if Aaron Rodgers has to take a
big pay cut like Gardner, Mitschew got fifteen million dollars
last year, you're telling me the Titans wouldn't give Rogers
twenty five million dollars. I mean, it's just a high
tank jomb that brings a lot to the table in
terms of publicity, people taking care of you. Obviously, it's
(45:54):
fun to play. You get to play a little kids
game at forty years old. So yeah, I mean, I
think in his mind, he goes, I can still play
a little bit. Maybe he's, you know, not naive enough
to think that he's still as good as he once was,
but he knows he's still a functional player in the league.
So I would imagine he's definitely interested. But I also
think you got a factor in where what are his options?
(46:16):
You know, I floated this out on the podcast. If
you think about it, like Brady's got a bunch of money,
you know, you got Aikman, you got Romo. Well, Amazon,
Curbstreet was kind of a filler because remember they wanted McVeigh,
they wanted John Lynch, and those guys just wouldn't leave.
Like why wouldn't you know Aaron Rodgers? You know forever
It's like, well, you'd keep playing over broadcasting. But now
(46:37):
broadcasting they could pay a fifteen twenty million dollars keep
him in the line light the primetime game. He clearly is,
you know, intelligent enough to old conversations. We've seen him
do these long form interviews. I wonder that would be
interested interesting to him and to me. If I'm Amazon,
I definitely placed the call with Aaron. Would would you
be willing to do this?
Speaker 1 (46:55):
No question? But again let's like let's let's I don't know,
you know, I think he'd be great, but again, he'd
have to want to be great. And the first thing
is he wants to play. Okay. If we all think
he wants to play, okay, he's not gonna play in
a system that he doesn't know, So it's either going
to be you know that the system he ran late
(47:15):
in Green Bay, which is like mcveigh's system, or the
West Coast system. Right, those those are the two of
the teams that are out there that need a quarterback,
and there's a bunch of them. Well, would Oakland fit that?
If not? Who? I'm Oakland? Sorry, we'd Las Vegas hit
fit that? If not? Who would like?
Speaker 3 (47:34):
Yeah, I don't know, I don't. I don't think Kip Kelly.
I mean he kind of likes the quarterback to one
a little bit to meet Chip Kelly, Aaron Rodgers, I'm harrol.
That seems like a lot going on.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
There's a that's a lot.
Speaker 3 (47:46):
I think, you know the Titans Callahan's background, you know,
with Joe Burrows ploying in around, I could see Aaron Rodgers,
you know, I think he has a place in Nashville.
I do think that's one to just kind of keep
an eye on if we just like I would imagine
he's kind of weighing out all his options. Again, he's
gonna have to take a dramatic take Cup. I mean,
even at this point his days of being super highly
(48:09):
paid now phil your low pay twenty million dollars a
pretty good gig. But I think that's kind of the
numbers we're talking about now. I was thinking his age,
you know. Sometimes you know he's like, well, wait till
after the draft to pick a spot.
Speaker 1 (48:22):
No, No, don't do that.
Speaker 3 (48:24):
You don't care, right, you know, like you can sign
now and they draft a quarterback, like you understand what
you're getting in business with. But I don't know. I mean,
he's kind of got to make like he's going to
have legitimate offers I would imagine over the next ten
days or at least, people very very interested, because if
you're going to sign Aaron Rodgers, you probably want to
sign him right with free agency open sea and kind
(48:45):
of build your team and kind of build your draft
process around that option.
Speaker 1 (48:52):
Yeah, and it's it's interesting. I mean, i'll tell you
one of this isss.
Speaker 3 (48:55):
Well, I don't think he's a lock to play though.
I don't think he's a lock to play.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
No, because you know he's going to want all the things.
It's one of those I don't think it's about money,
but he is going to require some money. He obviously
wants to play, but he doesn't want to play in
a bad team, you know, So it's going to have
to be somebody who needs a quarterback that he feels
like he could win with.
Speaker 3 (49:14):
I would say the Steelers. You know, he's played in
cold for a long time, so he's comfortable now. The
one problem is in that division, it's a pretty hard
hitting division, you know, and I think the one he
want to get hit. Yeah, and it happened to Brady
that last year. And again I don't blame anyone that
is that rich, that accomplished and forty plus years old
does not want to get touched. And it's hard. It's
(49:34):
pretty hard to play in the AFC North without getting hit, right.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
Yeah, it's it's kind of impossible. I mean, what about
Indy Is that crazy?
Speaker 3 (49:46):
No, they would basically be saying I mean that they
would have pretty big regret there on the quarterback, which
I wouldn't blame them for basically acknowledging it, but that'd
be essentially what they're doing. It also would be a
little bit of a no pun attending because he's a
great hail mary thrower, but a little bit of a
hail mary trying to save those their jobs, I guess.
(50:08):
But that you know that division indoors, they definitely have
some offensive weapons. Yeah, I mean they have an offensive
coach who shows who shown he's very adaptive by I
meaning can coach from Flaco to Gardner Minshew to Anthony Richson,
Jalen Hurts, Philip Rivers, they would be nuts not to
(50:30):
at least inquire and talk to him, and again I
think his representation who knows, maybe him. Uh, They're going
to have some legit conversation starting next Tuesday Wednesday. Over
the course of you know, the combine what you see
on TV, the kids working out and stuff. A majority
of it is the GM, the front office and the
(50:51):
head coach, you know, dealing with perspective either free agents,
their own guys and situations like Aaron Rodgers stuck got
leave show here on Fox Sports for that.
Speaker 1 (50:59):
That's to John Middlecoff. Yeah, the whole thing is just it.
I don't know, it's super super interesting, super interesting to me.
With the running backs having the success they had this year,
I don't think that ends the discussion that running backs
were underpaid whatever, because wasn't the argument not about paying
(51:20):
them for one year, It was about paying them three
years guaranteed. And then the end of this year becomes
the more interesting year.
Speaker 3 (51:27):
No, yeah, I mean I think part of it is
these receivers, Like how many of these high end receivers
equal winning and the high end receivers, you know, not quadrupled,
but you know, Saque's getting what thirteen fourteen a year,
the high end receivers are making thirty to thirty four
million dollars. So it goes, Hey, if I'm Sakuon Barkley,
(51:50):
if I'm Alvin Kamara, if I'm Christian McCaffrey, like when
I'm on the field, i am as important as these guys,
and they're making double what I'm making. So I just
you know, it takes a while for it to catch
up what I think is going to happen. Besides the
top guys, you have to wonder if there's gonna be
a little bit of a slowdown in the wide receiver market.
(52:11):
You know, does it make sense for a non Jamar chase,
for a non Ceedee LAMB to pay these guys that
much money I would invest in other positions. So I
think we're going to see more of a correction there
for the non elite guys than we are going to
see some like huge jump in the running back market
cause company. I mean, there's a small number of guys
that you really feel are complete difference makers, and some
(52:34):
of them, you know, Jacobs and Saquon signed contracts last year.
Speaker 1 (52:38):
Is this the year that we see a drop off
for the can City Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (52:44):
Yeah, I mean I thought they would lose in the
playoffs this year and they didn't. I mean last year,
they just found a way to win a bunch of games.
I think they will have a big offseason. I think
their offense is got to be better. You don't see
Andy Reid's offense down for long.
Speaker 2 (52:59):
I mean.
Speaker 3 (53:00):
The other thing is, you know, we talk a lot
about these young hungry gms, right the kind of the
new age NFL GM is much more like the basketball
and baseball GM for years. Andy somewhat of an outlier,
like he's an older guy, but he's been making big
moves for twenty twenty five plus years. So I would
(53:20):
never count them out of like, oh, the Chiefs just
traded their first round pick for player X, so that
they will be extremely aggressive. I mean they are. They're
kind of operating right now like you did if you
have Lebron James on your team. For a long period
of time. You're kind of living in the moment, so
I definitely wouldn't count. It's going to be harder like
you would expect. Like if the Bengals played that season
(53:41):
ten times, that's probably the worst outcome they could play
of the ten times. Obviously, the Chargers and the Broncos
are not only going to improve, but I mean those
coaches are not going to be intimidated by the Chiefs,
and the Ravens and the Bills are just really really
high level organizations. So it's it's hard to make it
out of the AFC on a yearly basis, and you
credit year they beat the Bill twice and they beat
(54:04):
the Ravens, so it's like taking their business.
Speaker 1 (54:07):
Somehow, somehow they do it. Hey, that's John Middlecoff, NFL
analyst score, host of the three Now podcast the Volume
Podcast Network. John, thanks so much by
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we've had moments with the fires where there's been a
lot of concern for everybody back in Los Angeles. But
if you're in the Midwest as we are, the Arctic
blast is here and it is chilly. It is absolutely Chile,
not like Santiago Chile, although maybe Santiago Chile in the
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summer here which is the winter there. Okay, I got
a bunch of things to get to. Kd's comments about
fans and complaining about the All Star Game. Also, I
guess at some point, I guess I have to address
that Lebron James on his day off after bowing out
of the All Star Game, wants to tweet at me
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without tagging me. So I don't know, but we'll talk
about that. But I want to talk about Rick Patino,
who has turned around Saint John's in their second year
of having coach p And I've said this previously that
I think he's, uh, he's the He's the greatest all
around coach in the modern day history of the sport.
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There's no disrespect to coach k or to Bill Self
or to Jay Wright, Tom Izzo. These are amazing coaches.
But when you when you look at some of his
philosophies and you know a lot of it in terms
of how you judge their level of greatness is what
can be replicated, not just in terms of style, but
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in the little things that they've done that people copy forever.
And we can get into that sum But apparently there's
a docuseries on Vice and the docuseries is following them around.
And so I was asked by a bunch of people
if if speeches like this halftime speech from a game
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a couple of weeks ago. Work with this generation, they
gain and be a basketball player.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
They did.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Every time you miss a shot, you don't gain the flights.
We don't care about your miss shots. You guys keep
blowing opportunity upon opportunity upon opportunity. You're like children with
bad things happening, thinking it would be tougher you will.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Where is your toughness?
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Where have you, guys been raised that you're so weak
metally that.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
You just give up when something that's all right for you?
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Don't you know what adversity is all about. That's a
game of life, not the game of basketball.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
You don't get down.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
When things go wrong.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
You're think gonna get tougher. Your whole life's gonna be adversity.
You are dealing it. I love it.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
It's a message that we relate to our players. I've
relayed to my players time and again in different ways.
So I'll give you my thoughts on it. And then
Jase two, I know you had a bunch of questions
and this is kind of it's kind of a cool
exercise role if you if you get down to it.
The first thing is, you know I do. I try
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and give purpose filled pregame and halftime talks, you know,
and whether it's a camera in the locker room or
not in the locker room, you can't players see through
that if you want to be performative, you know, and
all of a sudden, there's a camera there, and now
you're gonna go into some grandiose pre game speech. Like
I feel like they see through that. They're not idiots,
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but I and I and you're not gonna connect with
all of them because many of them are in their
own kind of headspace, you know. Some of them are
just all they're thinking about is I got to make shots.
I got to make shots. Some are thinking about I
think my girls coming to night? Wait is my other
girl coming to night? I'm not really sure, right, I
hope they don't sit next to each other. There's all
you don't know what they're thinking of. But but what
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I try and do is I try and have a theme,
a theme of how we're going to win, and find
different ways to get across that message. But in regards
to adversity and what players do and how they act,
like this is not a new thing, right, The idea
of guys sol or holding their heads when they misshots
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and coaches trying to get them out of it. That's
not simply a gen Z thing that was my generation.
Anybody's generation. There are guys that can't function when they
miss shots. But challenging guys to find the inner self
toughness works. But you have to know which players a challenge.
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And I'll just give you something I've learned this year.
So that's a lot of the messaging that I have.
Sometimes in a different way, we've talked about like, look
we up until Sunday. We lost twenty one games in
a row, and there were times in which I try
and jump them at halftime or during a timeout, and
they would wilt. They're too young, they're not from the
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type of background. Some kids, you got to know their background.
Some kids, you can literally call them any name of
the book, and now they start to play. Some you
even insinuate that you're calling them a name, and they're done.
They can't play. And it doesn't necessarily have to do
with how a hardcore dude is. I played in college
with a guy who is immensely talented. If you got
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on him personally, he couldn't play in the second half.
But if you said the whole team isn't playing hard enough, now,
all of a sudden, he would play way harder. So
you got to know your team. And it doesn't hurt
me Rick Patino who's won a national title at Kentucky
and Louisville and taking Providence and taking Providence to a
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Final four as well. So you have to know your team.
You have to recruit the types of players that respond
to that type of coaching. And if you're you know,
a coach in your seventies who commands respect in every
gym you've ever walked into and people kind of bow
at your feet, well, then you can you can challenge
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players and use words that you have done it before,
you've overcome it, versus you've coached better teams. It's just
different when you're younger, you're less experienced. You know, guys
can pick that up. So I love it, and I
think everyone actually got a couple of texts. I have
a guy named Jerry Smith who just got done with
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a thirteen year professional career he played. He's from Milwaukee.
He played for coach p at Louisville for four years.
And I had a couple buddies in the industry text
me last weekend, what's the secret to Rick Patino? And
I don't think the secret is in those impassioned speeches,
although that's part of it, that's part of it. I
think a good portion of it is his. You know,
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the conditioning aspect of it builds in the mental toughness
of it. And you're like, well, how does that work? Well,
if you're in great shape, If you're in great shape
in order to get into greate shape, if you push
yourself beyond the aerobic thresholds, you push yourself beyond any
reasonable level of fatigue. If you can do that, well,
then basketball is easy. That's the message that you relate
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to players. So I love it. I'm intrigued. Do you
know a little bit about how the sausage is made?
And I'm interested in how this series plays out. Jaseter,
you had some questions about it.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
Yeah, you know what, Before I do that, I like
to play our imaging. So can we ask the coach
there's a question the niece an answer, and the answer
is if only there.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Was someone with the authority and the wisdom to give
us that answer.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
No, I'm the head coach. I get to set the schedule.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Hold on, let's ask the coach.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
So my question is this, okay, future recruits, I don't know.
I don't know how people live nowadays, so maybe you
can answer that too. So if I'm the parent of
a potential Division I basketball player, okay, and a guy,
a kid who has options, and I see this video
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going viral, does the parent of gen z now is?
Are they put off by people addressing their kids that way? No,
it's not. It's not something to even consider in the
you know, the old traditional living rooms, you know, like
I know, people live on wine now, so this, I
guess this would be a living room thing. You don't
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consider the parents.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
I'll give you. I'll give you a little bit, okay.
So Sunday, okay, I was. I was very frustrated how
we played in the first half on Friday, and I
thought I thought Friday in the second half, we played
incredibly hard. We didn't necessarily play well, but you know,
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a little bit of bad luck. We still don't have
our starting center, you know the town Levy's been out
with a concussion for a couple for both of these games.
He suffered at Monday wasn't cleared. So I was frustrated
by that I was frustrated by how he played in
the first half, and then I was just frustrated, you know,
at the losing whatever. And then we had maybe the
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worst shoot around of our season on Sunday morning, and
it's at two o'clock game, so you're trying to figure out,
like do we get them up at nine o'clock or
do we let them sleep in and have a pre
game meal and watch some film. And I decided, you
know what, I'm tired of them being asleep in the
first half. We're getting them up and it looked like
your classic sixth grade team playing at seven am. Like
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they were yawning, their hair wasn't comb they hadn't shaved
or brush their teeth or whatever. And I was like, oh, yeah, yu.
And to start the game, we were playing sort of hard,
but we could not score. And I felt like we
didn't get a couple of calls and we're down fifteen
to four to start the game. Just can't We're not executing,
we're not cutting. I thought maybe we're asleep, we're getting
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intimidated all the things, and so I was losing my mind.
Actually got a technical foul, a technical foul, and my
assistant Jordan McKay pulled me aside and he actually told me, Hey,
so and So's dad is here here today. If you
want any hope of getting that kid, try not to
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act like a crazy person for the next hour and
forty five minutes. And I was like, okay, let's stab Like,
was I acting that crazy or we just not playing well? Anyway,
we proceed to go on a twelve zero run, and
I thought my energy was on point. The point of
it is, I think there's a way to do it.
I don't think. First of all, it's different ones Rick
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Patino than has Doug Gottlieb. Right, I've won three games,
He's won eight hundred and national championships. He can get
away with things that I can't. He's a grandpa, so
he can tell them the hard truths, even though we
tell them the hard truths. But what I found is
that most parents that's what they want now. They may
not want their kid benched, they may not want their
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kids games limited, but they want them at least told
and sort of taught life lessons. Because it is your job,
Like you become their dad, you have to become their advocate.
You have to find them their first job, their first agent, whatever,
if they want to go into coaching, you got to
help them get to coaching as well. So you are
like a father figure. And I haven't had anyone. You know,
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I talk to all of my parents, all my parents,
but I'm at some point in the year I touch
base with all my parents and you know, each one
of them. I have to understand. The relationship with the
with the player is different. You know, my best player,
Anthony Roy, has been out and I never met his
dad until we played Ohio State. His dad looks like Debo.
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His dad's the best. But I don't call his dad
all the time to like, tell on, tell on Anthony
when I'm not. But when something's not going the way
it's supposed to be going, I call his dad and
his dad's like, I got it, don't worry about it.
And our deal is is really simple, Jason. Our deal
is neither of us need anything from Anthony. Right, he's
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doing well financially, he doesn't like. I would love to
have him back as he's trying to come back from jury.
But if he doesn't like, okay, Like that's the nature
of this. His first year, which is we had the
nation's leading scorer and he's gotten hurt if he's not ready,
Like again, I'm not gonna make him play just so
for my team, from my record, for my ego, if
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he's not comfortable and ready to play, but all the
other stuff, I got to make sure I'm on top
of him. And our working relationship is we just want
what's best for him, which wanted to graduate, and let's
figure out next year together while he gets healthy and
he works in his game and he stays out of trouble.
Now I have another parent, I'll just leave the kid where.
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You know, a kid was doing he wasn't doing well
in one of his classes, and all I had to
say to the player was, Hey, if this continues, i'm
gonna have to call your dad and talk to him
about it. And he was like, coach, don't call my dad.
And sure enough, he didn't do well on like a
subsequent test. I called his dad and his dad was like, well,
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he told me he was doing okay. I was like,
not by our standards. And the kid has missed a
study session nothing all a's ever since. And all I
said was, I don't think he's giving the level of
effort that you and your family would want him to
give it to his studies done. So, the answer to
your question is, most parents want their kids to be disciplined.
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Most parents want their kids to understand how to push
to adversity. Most parents want their son to be coached.
Want don't want their son to be coddled. Most the
ones that like the coddling oftentimes are not the parents.
Sometimes they are like that, and usually that's not a
kid you're going to recruit. And even with those kids,
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some of them, you have to You just got to
be cast on which kids you call it individually, because
that's when the parents can get defensive. That's when the
players can shut down on you.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
I totally get that and allow me to kind of
put it this way, Okay, Uh, my generation and your
generation never had to deal with terms like toxic workplace,
like MICROAGGRESSI Rick Patino's generation obviously not. I just keep
that in mind when I think about like parents of
this generation and you're telling me that they're the parents
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after watching that video would not be deterred because they
are probably thinking, no one has ever spoken to my
son that way, No teacher, not me, not an AAU coach.
That would be seem seem to be like a shocking
thing to hear from somebody. But what you're saying is
that most parents in general welcome that treatment.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Yes, interesting, I would say, the only issues you have
with parents, and yes, sometimes coaches can step out of line,
the only issues you have with parents, for the most
part are I mean, I again, we treat them well.
So it's not like player treatment, but it's it's more
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in playing time and role in what their short term
and long term future looks like. And then sometimes it's
with other players, you know, in terms of things going
on behind the scenes that a head coach might not
be aware of. For the most part though, in regards
to motivating them, and you know, even calling their generations
soft like they're all parents, they all think they are too.
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So for the most part, that's not an issue, Sam,
you got one. Anybody else got one, right? I listen.
Patino's amazing and his ability to flip things, obviously helped
by by a huge financial backing. And the other part too,
it is you know, he always points out, my team
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can't shoot, yet we still score, we still play well,
and that's because they're unbelievable defensively, and he gets he
he went from Remember last year he called out his
team for being slow footed, Well he scrapped all those guys. Now,
these guys can't shoot, but they are not slow footed.
So it's pretty obvious what he thinks wins.
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and blustery in the Midwest. I'm sure it's It's okay
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in California, right, Florida is the only place it's like
relatively warm today.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Yeah. Yeah, mid seventies and sunny.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Mid seventies and sunny, and.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
We just got a bunch of rains. So everything's starting
to turn green around here.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
Yeah, it's green Bay.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
Are you seeing any green anywhere there?
Speaker 1 (17:36):
No?
Speaker 5 (17:37):
Or no no green in Oklahoma either, I bet no brown.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Or no, no, no green Bay. We probably got about
a foot of snow over the last week, and then
cold front went through last night. It was minus thirteen,
which felt like minus twenty five, which feels like dying
pretty much. It's like like cryo only over your whole
body and you don't you just pay for it. That's
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really it.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
Feeling like Jack Nicholson in the end of the Shining
Right very much where he stuck in the maze.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Very very much, very much. So, Yeah, yesterday I was
traveling and you know, like, look, there's like a high.
We have won a game in eighty nine days, and
it's just hard. I mean, I only think I have
to explain that to most human beings. You know, when
when your season started out with such hope and positive
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energy and obviously overscheduled but whatever, and then you know
between a rash of injuries and mostly an injury to
your best player, leading scorer in the country. But also
you know, this weekend we didn't have you know, a
Ton Levy. Previous weekends we didn't have Marcus Hall. These
are just names to you. But if you looked at
the top of our skying port, the top three guys
in our skyting port have never played together, and two
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of them have played like five games together in only
one time where they both healthy and on that time.
A team we played this week and is very good,
Youngstown State. We led by ten with nine and a half
to go. So you frustrated over the injuries, You're frustrated
over losing. You're just frustrated. But we've had incredible support
from the community and from the school and even from
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the boosters and the players, like, my guys are awesome.
So we finally get a win Sunday, and we played
really well defensively, really really well against Wright State, right
States in Dayton, and they have a tremendous player named
Brandon Noel. He was just a big challenge for us.
So we win. Everyone piles over because the game was
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on campus or on campus facility, piled over to a
bar and restaurant called the Black Sheep, and then you
know it's still time to go out to dinner. And then
went out to dinner, and everywhere you go people are stopping, hey,
wait it go it'll win a game, Like you're just
feeling good. And I've always gone and seen people after
we lose. But don't get me wrong, like I don't
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need the you know, the pity stuff doesn't feel good either,
but there's just a high, and then the high kind
of wears off. And then the next day you're traveling.
You got a day off and you got things to do.
So I land and all of a sudden, there's like
thirty some on text mess and I keep in mind,
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when we finally won, there was I counted three hundred
and seventy within two hours of the game of friends, family,
other coaches, just people. You know, They just all of
a sudden start filling out your Your phone's buzzing, and
you're like, man, I got to get back to all
these people. So I didn't really I didn't really look
at them because I was trying to do my best
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to It's President's Day, there's not a lot going on.
I got the day off. I'm not going to look
at Twitter. I'm not going to look at my phone.
I have a couple of phone calls to make, so
I put the phone in my pocket and I'm driving,
and all of a sudden, my buddy, Brian Montinatti calls me.
He's a high school coach at A wasa high school
in Tulsa. He's like, what did you do to Lebron?
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I was like, I don't even know what you're talking about, dude,
what do you mean. He's like, like, Lebron just coming
at you on Twitter. I was like, what do you
I haven't been on Twitter all day. Come on. I
was like, I haven't been on the bird all I've
been traveling. So I read the tweet and it was
there's some Twitter handle called college Basketball Report who likes
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to like to troll me. And it's not like one
that anybody goes to. It just somehow pops up in
your feed. And it gave our record, our previous record
at two and twenty two or something. And so Lebron
did laughing emoji's and had a little trash talk within it.
And I came on yesterday and I thought what I
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said I still fits right, Like if honestly, I'm not
big on what other people think of things, I'm just
not like you think something's a bad look that's on you.
I'm gonna do. I'm gonna do me. That's work me
for forty nine years. I think it's gonna keep working.
But I I think if we're honest with ourselves, and
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people with Lebron, for whatever reason, can't be honest with themselves,
like you're either team Lebron or team Jordan, and that
means somehow you have to diminish Lebron, which I don't
really understand. But if your team Lebron, it's like, yeah,
messed with the King, and I'm not even sure what
I messed with. But I think if you're honest with yourself, like, Okay,
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he's on All Star break, he's got a bad ankle,
or so we're told it's his day off, it's my
day off. I just I don't know if you're worth
you know, five six hundred million dollars. Why are you
tweeting at me on a bigot an off day. And
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I can only think that it's pettiness that you know,
something popped up at his feed. I don't know, but
you know, it's like you're supposed to like responding why
for what? Oh, you're catching strays? I just if Jason's
a pretty good judge. So, Jay, if I ever look
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that way, like I'm sitting at home and I'm lonely
and bored on a day off, and I start trolling
people and tweeting at them, please be a friend and
go like, hey, dude, you look well, you feel like
Lebron looked that day.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
You know, I'd say that to your face.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
That's aptuate for that.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
Yeah, I think this. I think this specific situation, if
we were to look into this, speaks to your incredible
ability to piss people off and to get on people's radar.
Lebron James is one of the most famous people on Earth.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I think he's probably the most famous athlete in the world.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Yes, and you know there have been blogs written. I've
read them all. I'm sure you have. Maybe not that
speculate that it had to do with either you calling
his kid to make a wish or you saying that
he wouldn't start on your college basketball team. I'm guessing
one of those two comments that went viral got on
Lebron's radar somehow.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
But like but like months later, like the like the
college basketble thing was when Dan asked me, I thought,
Dan Patrick ask mean we talked about in the summer, right,
And just for the record, Anthony Roy is better than
Brownie James. If anybody wants to dispute that, anybody like
Anthony Roy when he's healthy, is better than Bronnie James.
Now he's older than Bronnie James. And you know, he's
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only played I think what ten games this year, but
he was averaging twenty seven points, leading the country in
three point and affect the field goal percentage. Like Anthony
Roy is a better basketball player six days a week
and twice on Sunday than Brinnie James. It's not close.
It's not close. It's not close. It's not close. Now
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that doesn't mean I think Bronnie wouldn't be a very
good college player. And obviously six months later, based upon performance,
I think he would play. I think he probably would start.
My thing is he's just not a point guard. And
you know, if we want to pick and choose his
Chier league stats, he's had a couple of good games.
He doesn't look like he belongs in the NBA, and
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the NBA is hard man, But I mean, look, I'll
stand by it. It's a joke that he played in
the NBA, especially like what are they doing? And everyone
thinks that. My issue with it is, if that's your
problem and you're going to spend the time to tweet
at me, then there's clips of that available on Twitter.
(25:39):
Use that one, you know, or maybe in a timely manner,
or here's actually what you should do, which is what
I've done on Twitter, which is why does he care? Now?
I actually take it as a portion of respect that
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plenty of people have said things about Bronnie not belonging
in the NBA, including many of my friends in the NBA,
But I'm the one he chose to tweet at. Now.
Maybe that's because he respects my opinion, my opinions respected.
Maybe he thinks because he thinks it's it's fun and
you know, you're like defenses, Like what am I gonna
say lebron James? I'm not sure, but yeah, that was
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that is it's if that is your issue, make it
your issue. And the other part to it is what
I don't think everybody realizes, and this remains true, is
I'm gonna defend my guys over anybody. I don't care
if we won three games, not their fault, you know,
not their fault. But I would love to see Jeremiah
Johnson and Bronnie James go head up. Do I think
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Bronnie's improved during his time in the NBA. Yeah, he
was not a good college player. Last year they were
a last place team and he did not start. And
when he did they did not win. He had one
kind of breakout game where I think they got smoked
or maybe they smoked to Oregon State. I can't remember.
It was on the road. I watched. I watched, but
it's like, look, it's hard refreshment, and I get it,
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but I just like, what are you doing on a Monday,
you know, blindly tweeting at somebody who seven or eight
months ago said something you might you obviously disagree with.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
But to your point, Doug, I think you hit on it.
Like how many hot takers in our industry would have
loved to get a retweet from Lebron James or a
quote tweet Like I looked at that yesterday and fifty
three million Twitter followers got to see Doug Gottlieb and
Green Bay in the same tweet. How many people googled
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green Bay basketball yesterday because of that tweet. To me,
it's a net positive for you. I know you don't
take it personally, and I know you're going to defend
your guys, But in our industry, there's no real such
thing as bad publicity. In fact, the fact that he
that you got on his radar is win in my book.
In the content generation, world. Many people would like to
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do trade places with you today.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Oh, I appreciate that. I understand that. I think what
I take great pride in is I don't think it
was a hot take, and it wasn't. You know how well,
here's a question, how would you define a hot take.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
I wasn't calling your take on Brannie a hot take.
I honestly think that was a very genuous opinion. Genuous
Is that a word? No, I was just saying that
how many of the Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
They would love to, they love to. Matter of fact,
a lot of guys do that just for reaction, and
I don't. I never have and I never will. I'd
like to think that's how I separate myself is Have
I had some takes which people call hot takes? Sure?
Have I tick some people off with opinions, Sure, But
(28:53):
I believe all of them have been with the context
of what my actual opinion is based upon my or
somebody who's really close, uh in the sport, you know,
whatever sport it was in terms of opinion. And I
agree with you. And that's, by the way, what my
bosses at Green Bay get and what our boss at
Fox Sports Radio get, which is there's absolutely value in it. Now,
(29:18):
I've worked at one other place that uh that would
be shaking in their boots over that, and they would
probably want me to put out an apology tweet. I'm
not even kidding one of the one of my previous stops.
It's not Fox Sports Radio, and uh yeah, that's that's sorry.
(29:41):
It's kind of an interesting day though, right, like a
nothing day in sports and Lebron James.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
I don't know, but you and I we've had we've
had harry conversations.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
How good would it be for you? Real quick before
you don't forget your don't forget your question or your statement.
But can you imagine having a day and not having
anything to do? When was the last time you had
a day during the week and you had nothing to do? Yeah,
that's rare, I mean, And to think like on that day,
(30:14):
you're like, huh, I'm gonna go on Twitter. Huh, I'm
gonna randomly tweet at Doug Godley. There you godding that
would if I lived in la and I had upwards
of six seven hundred million in the bank, in the
list of things I'd be doing, it would not make
the list.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
Sometimes the best way to decompress is to do nothing
at all, and for Lebron James, maybe nothing at all
just means firing out a random tweet.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
It did scrw up my day, though, because I was
so determined to not look at social media and not
beyond the bird and honestly not be texting all day
just because I got a chance to have dinner with
all my kids last night, and yeah I was. It
screwed me up.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
He took more grief than you did. I don't know
what the term is by gen Z now, is that
ratioed or something, But like if you look at his comments,
people are going after him for sending out a tweet
about Doug Gottlieb when he's the one who cost some
guy a chance at an All Star appearance the day before,
and you know, clean up your own house. Like he
(31:20):
was getting more crap for that tweet than you were.
He had dated info.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Well yeah, yeah, all my my, my players like, coach,
what'd you say, Lebron? And can you tell him? They
they called me from the gym. They're like, coach, what
did you say, Lebron? And then can you tell him?
We won three games? Not too It's really really we're
on a one game winning streak. We're on a winning streak.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
Let's go. But I was I was about to say
that there's a You and I have had very candid
conversations on the air, off the air, on our podcast
about your ability to piss people off, and I did
not understand the depth the line of people that were
just waiting to kick you in the teeth if this
thing wasn't going to work, or wasn't working or you
(32:04):
started losing. I've been surprised at how many people are
really liking this, And to think that Lebron James is
on that list of people just waiting in the weeds
to fire off that shot, it's to me, it's incredible.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Yeah, I'll say this to anyone who thinks that it's
because I've treated people poorly in the industry, That's absolutely
not the case, right. That's the things I'm defensive of,
Like I've been as good a team in as I
can be. I haven't been perfect in every way, but
I try and help people in the business. I try
(32:41):
to help people get into the business, and I honestly
believe that it's do you remember what Lebron said about
people who still go back to the Dallas stuff on
TV and on social media. No one he said what
he talked about, something about Lebron. There's something about how
(33:03):
they're really unhappy in their own lives. And I gotta
believe that's what a bunch of this is, right, Why
else you have to have some level of unhappiness in
your own life. And I'm not saying it's just like
a Lebron or or it's the grossest thing, the grossest
(33:27):
representation of our society. And what's interesting is I've had
people hop in the Instagram page whatever, and we put
out videos and yes, I approve the videos, but I
don't cut the videos, edit the videos. You know, they're like, coach,
that's okay with you, Yeah, could go post it, but
(33:48):
you know all kinds of just ridiculous comments and you'd
be amazed, Jasu, I'll show you some of these dms
where I'll go like, hey man, thanks for paying attention
to my team. If you'd like tickets, let me know.
And when you do that, that all of a sudden
they're like, hey, I'm always been a big fan. I'm
just messed with you, right, Like did you read your tweet?
Did you see what you wrote, it's crazy. It's crazy.
(34:12):
So somehow Twitter has become a place where you just
want to say the most vile stuff and Instagram the
most vile stuff, and it's like everyone tries to top
the other and in terms of people lining up, like
that's right, all of the all the digital footprints still exists.
So Rome was not built in a day. In a day, Sammie,
(34:37):
what'd you think.
Speaker 5 (34:39):
Of what part of all this just that he did it?
Or or what what specifically?
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Huh?
Speaker 4 (34:45):
I mean, what's what you mean?
Speaker 5 (34:46):
What do I think about what specifically the lebron putting
that out or what did I think?
Speaker 4 (34:52):
It was?
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Like?
Speaker 5 (34:52):
Yeah, yeah, it was like he didn't even It's like
he wasn't even really trying to get your attention, because
if I remember it, he didn't tweet at you. He
just like took like a screenshot and like quote tweeted it, didn't.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
He he just quote tweeted.
Speaker 5 (35:06):
Yeah, it was random.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
I do I did.
Speaker 5 (35:08):
Look, you know, on some comments on things, and you know,
someone said like, oh, a parent never forgets you know,
because if it did have to do with Brownie, then
like a parent never forgets that.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Here's the difference. Here's the difference. Here's the difference. Okay,
this is a disservice he did to his son. Okay,
if you don't want your son to be critiqued, okay,
if you don't want like this is the old man
in the arena thing no one knows. And the reason
(35:37):
I can take it is because I've been in the
man the arena. I put myself in front of you know,
in front of this fire. I'm okay with it. Like
I'm fine, I'll check clears, I'm good. Okay, kids love me,
family loves me. I have a great I have two
great jobs. Bosses are happy. We're fine. Okay, this too
shall pass. But the security in a great player. And well,
(36:03):
you can't be critical of my son. He's a professional
basketball player. Hey, he went from being a bench player
on a bad USC team to being a bench player
in the NBA when no one had him evaluated as such.
Speaker 5 (36:20):
If if yes, you for the Lakers, not just for
the Lakers, the Lakers.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
For the Lakers, and like, look, dudes make fun of
Jannis's brothers all the time, all the time. Okay, like
you didn't know, he didn't know. This is how it's
going to be. And by the way, none of my
commentary was unfair, zero zero, none of it. So but
(36:50):
but the idea that he acts like the parent never
like this is not like he was playing on a
high school team and you know in a high school game,
like he's stunt last night, or you know, pick apart
that there's a video back in the day of him
smoking a joint on on one of the apps or
something like, I don't care like that. Yeah, I don't
(37:11):
go into that stuff. But if you're gonna play in
the NBA, if you're gonna place your son in the arena,
if you're gonna get drafted in the NBA, if you're
gonna have JJ Reddick tell the world he had earned
that earned it, then yeah, you're gonna leave yourself open
for criticism. Just like if we don't win during my
(37:34):
five year contract, I'm gonna leave myself open for criticism.
It's okay, Like that's the deal, that's the job. You Now,
if we don't do a good radio show and we're
gonna put our voices to it, like you open yourself
up for criticism, or if you're gonna spew facts that
are inaccurate, you know, in terms of the reasons for
your takes. So I understand this, Like, well, he's a
(37:56):
Dan Byers said, I guess it's his son. It's different.
I get it. Okay, we're all My high school coach
who became a great junior college coach. He would always say, like,
can't talk to the parents. They're blinded by love. They
don't see it. I do understand that. But this is
not high school, middle school, AAU, it's not even college.
(38:17):
It's the NBA. It's the Lakers. Hey, And if you're
not comfortable with that, then maybe don't force him into
the NBA. But I have no response for a dude
on a day off who's got millions of dollars sitting
in LA tweeting at me, other than I just wouldn't
(38:39):
be on my list of things to do.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
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Speaker 1 (38:50):
Doug Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Radio Live from the Tirech
dot Com studios. John Middlecalfill join us in about four
or five minutes. Get to I Low with an update
in a second as well. I saw this from ESPN
the Bengals are hoping to pull off an ambitious and
expensive offseason. They'll attempt to secure a Trio stars to
new deals, Jamar Chase, T Higgins and defensive end Trey
Hendrickson to a long term deal, sources told ESPN. Of course,
(39:14):
this comes in the back of a Super Bowl where
Joe Burrow said he would restructure his contract to keep
T Higgins, to keep Jamar Chase. They offered, you know,
T Higgins, a franchise tag deal, which makes sense, right
you franchise tag T Higgins, you rework Burrows deal, and
then Hendrickson and Chase and Jamar Chase they signed deals
(39:35):
that don't kill you against the cap right away, but
it does kick the can down the road. And outside
of Trey Hendrickson, they need a lot of change on defense.
Higgins would be the guy I'd like to move, but
I'm guessing that while they have him in that holding
holding pattern of a of a franchise tag, that's when
(39:56):
they can look to shop him. But they probably hold
on to him because they don't don't think he has
the value, knowing he wants a gigantic contract and he's
only gonna They're only gonna trade him. If he's promised
that gigantic contract, well that's job Minikoff. For the reality
of that is the first it's scatastic. Glow and cry
and get it. Update Ilo, Good afternoon, Doug.
Speaker 6 (40:13):
The Toronto Blue Jays failed to reach agreement on a
contract extension with star first baseman Vladimir Guerrero Junior by
his Monday deadline, Guerrero entering the final season of his
contract here in twenty twenty five. And here's what Guerrero
himself had to say today.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Well, I don't know.
Speaker 7 (40:33):
Hey, o yamane, then.
Speaker 6 (40:38):
Those anybody here speaks Spanish? Miny chance? No, well it's
a good thing. I'm just kidding. He did have a
translator with him.
Speaker 7 (40:49):
No, we did not got an agreement today. I mean
they had their numbers. I have my numbers. But you know,
this is distens Like I always say, things happen.
Speaker 6 (41:01):
ESPR reports free agent infielder Justin Turner's agreed to a
one year, six million dollar deal with the Chicago Cubs,
pending of physical Los Angeles Angels owner Ardy Moreno. It's
old reporters today that the Angels are projected to lose
between fifty and sixty million dollars this year and reiterated
that he has no plans to put the team up
(41:21):
for sale. Finally, in the NFL that Detroit Lyons hired
former Stanford head coach David Shaw as their new passing
game coordinator. Doug back to you.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Thanks Iilo, Doug Gottlieb Show. You're on, Thanks Heilo, Doug
Gotlip show here on Fox Sports Trader. Let's welcome in
John mittlecaugh three. Now it's the podcast you here on
the Volume podcast network, and we'll start with the Bengals.
How realistic is it that they can resign Hendrickson and
Jemar Chase Anti Higgins.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
Well, I think the Hendrickson anytime you prioritize the fast rushers,
smart move. I mean, the guy's an enormous dominant figure.
I think you have to look at how you build
the team and does it make sense. You know, Jamar
Chase is obviously not just an elite receiver, I means
one of the best players in the NFL. So you're
talking one hundred and thirty, one hundred and forty million
(42:07):
dollars guaranteed. And you know Brandon Ayuk last year got
seventy five eighty guaranteed. So you're talking to Higgins what
ninety ish million, So you're I mean, you're investing two
guys at that position at a pretty astronomical number. You
actually have one of the highest by quarterbacks. And then
if you resigned Hendrickson, that's a lot of money, you know,
at a redundant you know, two guys that play the
(42:29):
same position. So to me, I know, Burrow has been
pretty outspoken. I commend him for supporting his guys, and
you're doing it in a professional manner. But I don't
know if that's the right way to build a team.
I personally would try to do like a tag of
trade or something. But I think they are a little
worried that. You know, Burrow is not happy with everything
(42:51):
going on.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Totally understand. Doug Gottlieb show, you're on Fox Sports Trader,
that's the voice of John Middlecall three Now is his podcast. Okay,
let's talk quarterback market, all right, What do you think
happens to Sam Donald?
Speaker 3 (43:06):
You know, I think for the last two games were
pretty jarring, and I thought he was going to get
a contract extension. I would say the feel of it
right now now, granted I think we're going to have
a lot more information coming out next week at the
combine when O'Connell and the GM are meeting with agents.
But it does feel like they're probably gonna let him
(43:26):
hit the free agent market. And you know, Baker Mayfield's
number is kind of unique, right, one hundred million dollars
guaranteed for a guy that I sayed last year was
what a top seventy eight quarterback in the NFL through
forty flus touchdowns and just the I death. I mean,
he was pretty darn good most of the year. Is
Donald that good? And I don't know, I'd rather have
(43:49):
Baker Mayfield on my team than Sam Donald? But that's
would he even accept the number like that? Is that
the type number that teams would be willing to, you know,
get in business with him. And the difference though is
Jason White gave him that extension. They'd already had him
for a year, so they knew him pretty well. I
think when we talk about Sam Darnold, like, I don't
see Minnesota probably giving him that. Now, well, the Raiders,
(44:12):
the Giants, some of these other teams in the quarterbacks,
are they going to jump in with a guy that
they don't know, So I'm pretty fascinated. I could you
could convince me that he gets something like that. He
convinced me he gets a one year, twenty five to
thirty million dollar deal. Maybe he goes back with the
Minnesota Vikings for a year. I think it's all on
the table with him.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
Yeah, Doug got the show here on Fox Sports Tradio books.
John Middlecoffe is our guest, and so you know, I'm
I'm intrigued by Aaron Rodgers, okay, because he goes back
to New York, okay. And you know, there's two different
stories that come out. One says they didn't want him back,
and they I was like, well, we want him back,
(44:53):
but we don't want him back if he wants to
do McAfee, if he wants to skip stuff, whatever, all
reasonable things. And Jay Glazier's tweet was basically, Hey, if
he didn't want to play football anymore, why would he
go back and talk to the jetsbuck come back and
playing football? So I guess the first thing is, do
you think he wants to play football some more? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (45:12):
I mean I think most of these guys, I think
if recent memory shows, they kind of got to get
really pushed out. I mean Peyton Manning that last year
couldn't throw, and remember that offseason he was sniffing around
up he didn't want to retire, but no one would
really take them. You know, Roethlisberger and Freeze their arms
kind of fell off, and I don't think either of
them wanted to quit. I just don't think they had
(45:33):
really any other options. There aren't many jobs in America
that say, even if Aaron Rodgers has to take a
big pay cut like Gardner, Mitschew got fifteen million dollars
last year, you're telling me the Titans wouldn't give Rogers
twenty five million dollars. I mean, it's just a high
tank jomb that brings a lot to the table in
terms of publicity, people taking care of you. Obviously, it's
(45:54):
fun to play. You get to play a little kids
game at forty years old. So yeah, I mean, I
think in his mind, he goes, I can still play
a little bit. Maybe he's, you know, not naive enough
to think that he's still as good as he once was,
but he knows he's still a functional player in the league.
So I would imagine he's definitely interested. But I also
think you got a factor in where what are his options?
(46:16):
You know, I floated this out on the podcast. If
you think about it, like Brady's got a bunch of money,
you know, you got Aikman, you got Romo. Well, Amazon,
Curbstreet was kind of a filler because remember they wanted McVeigh,
they wanted John Lynch, and those guys just wouldn't leave.
Like why wouldn't you know Aaron Rodgers? You know forever
It's like, well, you'd keep playing over broadcasting. But now
(46:37):
broadcasting they could pay a fifteen twenty million dollars keep
him in the line light the primetime game. He clearly is,
you know, intelligent enough to old conversations. We've seen him
do these long form interviews. I wonder that would be
interested interesting to him and to me. If I'm Amazon,
I definitely placed the call with Aaron. Would would you
be willing to do this?
Speaker 1 (46:55):
No question? But again let's like let's let's I don't know,
you know, I think he'd be great, but again, he'd
have to want to be great. And the first thing
is he wants to play. Okay. If we all think
he wants to play, okay, he's not gonna play in
a system that he doesn't know, So it's either going
to be you know that the system he ran late
(47:15):
in Green Bay, which is like mcveigh's system, or the
West Coast system. Right, those those are the two of
the teams that are out there that need a quarterback,
and there's a bunch of them. Well, would Oakland fit that?
If not? Who? I'm Oakland? Sorry, we'd Las Vegas hit
fit that? If not? Who would like?
Speaker 3 (47:34):
Yeah, I don't know, I don't. I don't think Kip Kelly.
I mean he kind of likes the quarterback to one
a little bit to meet Chip Kelly, Aaron Rodgers, I'm harrol.
That seems like a lot going on.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
There's a that's a lot.
Speaker 3 (47:46):
I think, you know the Titans Callahan's background, you know,
with Joe Burrows ploying in around, I could see Aaron Rodgers,
you know, I think he has a place in Nashville.
I do think that's one to just kind of keep
an eye on if we just like I would imagine
he's kind of weighing out all his options. Again, he's
gonna have to take a dramatic take Cup. I mean,
even at this point his days of being super highly
(48:09):
paid now phil your low pay twenty million dollars a
pretty good gig. But I think that's kind of the
numbers we're talking about now. I was thinking his age,
you know. Sometimes you know he's like, well, wait till
after the draft to pick a spot.
Speaker 1 (48:22):
No, No, don't do that.
Speaker 3 (48:24):
You don't care, right, you know, like you can sign
now and they draft a quarterback, like you understand what
you're getting in business with. But I don't know. I mean,
he's kind of got to make like he's going to
have legitimate offers I would imagine over the next ten
days or at least, people very very interested, because if
you're going to sign Aaron Rodgers, you probably want to
sign him right with free agency open sea and kind
(48:45):
of build your team and kind of build your draft
process around that option.
Speaker 1 (48:52):
Yeah, and it's it's interesting. I mean, i'll tell you
one of this isss.
Speaker 3 (48:55):
Well, I don't think he's a lock to play though.
I don't think he's a lock to play.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
No, because you know he's going to want all the things.
It's one of those I don't think it's about money,
but he is going to require some money. He obviously
wants to play, but he doesn't want to play in
a bad team, you know, So it's going to have
to be somebody who needs a quarterback that he feels
like he could win with.
Speaker 3 (49:14):
I would say the Steelers. You know, he's played in
cold for a long time, so he's comfortable now. The
one problem is in that division, it's a pretty hard
hitting division, you know, and I think the one he
want to get hit. Yeah, and it happened to Brady
that last year. And again I don't blame anyone that
is that rich, that accomplished and forty plus years old
does not want to get touched. And it's hard. It's
(49:34):
pretty hard to play in the AFC North without getting hit, right.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
Yeah, it's it's kind of impossible. I mean, what about
Indy Is that crazy?
Speaker 3 (49:46):
No, they would basically be saying I mean that they
would have pretty big regret there on the quarterback, which
I wouldn't blame them for basically acknowledging it, but that'd
be essentially what they're doing. It also would be a
little bit of a no pun attending because he's a
great hail mary thrower, but a little bit of a
hail mary trying to save those their jobs, I guess.
(50:08):
But that you know that division indoors, they definitely have
some offensive weapons. Yeah, I mean they have an offensive
coach who shows who shown he's very adaptive by I
meaning can coach from Flaco to Gardner Minshew to Anthony Richson,
Jalen Hurts, Philip Rivers, they would be nuts not to
(50:30):
at least inquire and talk to him, and again I
think his representation who knows, maybe him. Uh, They're going
to have some legit conversation starting next Tuesday Wednesday. Over
the course of you know, the combine what you see
on TV, the kids working out and stuff. A majority
of it is the GM, the front office and the
(50:51):
head coach, you know, dealing with perspective either free agents,
their own guys and situations like Aaron Rodgers stuck got
leave show here on Fox Sports for that.
Speaker 1 (50:59):
That's to John Middlecoff. Yeah, the whole thing is just it.
I don't know, it's super super interesting, super interesting to me.
With the running backs having the success they had this year,
I don't think that ends the discussion that running backs
were underpaid whatever, because wasn't the argument not about paying
(51:20):
them for one year, It was about paying them three
years guaranteed. And then the end of this year becomes
the more interesting year.
Speaker 3 (51:27):
No, yeah, I mean I think part of it is
these receivers, Like how many of these high end receivers
equal winning and the high end receivers, you know, not quadrupled,
but you know, Saque's getting what thirteen fourteen a year,
the high end receivers are making thirty to thirty four
million dollars. So it goes, Hey, if I'm Sakuon Barkley,
(51:50):
if I'm Alvin Kamara, if I'm Christian McCaffrey, like when
I'm on the field, i am as important as these guys,
and they're making double what I'm making. So I just
you know, it takes a while for it to catch
up what I think is going to happen. Besides the
top guys, you have to wonder if there's gonna be
a little bit of a slowdown in the wide receiver market.
(52:11):
You know, does it make sense for a non Jamar chase,
for a non Ceedee LAMB to pay these guys that
much money I would invest in other positions. So I
think we're going to see more of a correction there
for the non elite guys than we are going to
see some like huge jump in the running back market
cause company. I mean, there's a small number of guys
that you really feel are complete difference makers, and some
(52:34):
of them, you know, Jacobs and Saquon signed contracts last year.
Speaker 1 (52:38):
Is this the year that we see a drop off
for the can City Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (52:44):
Yeah, I mean I thought they would lose in the
playoffs this year and they didn't. I mean last year,
they just found a way to win a bunch of games.
I think they will have a big offseason. I think
their offense is got to be better. You don't see
Andy Reid's offense down for long.
Speaker 2 (52:59):
I mean.
Speaker 3 (53:00):
The other thing is, you know, we talk a lot
about these young hungry gms, right the kind of the
new age NFL GM is much more like the basketball
and baseball GM for years. Andy somewhat of an outlier,
like he's an older guy, but he's been making big
moves for twenty twenty five plus years. So I would
(53:20):
never count them out of like, oh, the Chiefs just
traded their first round pick for player X, so that
they will be extremely aggressive. I mean they are. They're
kind of operating right now like you did if you
have Lebron James on your team. For a long period
of time. You're kind of living in the moment, so
I definitely wouldn't count. It's going to be harder like
you would expect. Like if the Bengals played that season
(53:41):
ten times, that's probably the worst outcome they could play
of the ten times. Obviously, the Chargers and the Broncos
are not only going to improve, but I mean those
coaches are not going to be intimidated by the Chiefs,
and the Ravens and the Bills are just really really
high level organizations. So it's it's hard to make it
out of the AFC on a yearly basis, and you
credit year they beat the Bill twice and they beat
(54:04):
the Ravens, so it's like taking their business.
Speaker 1 (54:07):
Somehow, somehow they do it. Hey, that's John Middlecoff, NFL
analyst score, host of the three Now podcast the Volume
Podcast Network. John, thanks so much by
Host
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Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.
Ridiculous History
History is beautiful, brutal and, often, ridiculous. Join Ben Bowlin and Noel Brown as they dive into some of the weirdest stories from across the span of human civilization in Ridiculous History, a podcast by iHeartRadio.