March 14, 2025 • 40 mins
Doug Gottlieb gives his thoughts on Iowa firing Fran McCaffrey after 15 years with the team. Former NFL GM Mark Dominik joins Doug to give his thoughts on what is next for Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson. Plus, Doug breaks down why Myles Garrett is being dishonest about his reasons for sticking with the Browns.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Welcome in. Yeah. Look, this is the second consecutive day
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in which a Big ten coach had been fired. This
one had been a kind of long rumored and it's
a long tenured coach. You know, I think the second
longest tenured coach in the Big ten next the time
zoh Fran McCaffrey was was fired earlier today. Fran, you know,
for full disclosure, and people have listened me for a
long time, know that he's been a big part of
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my life. He's been a mentor to me. He Uh,
he used the reason that I I went to Notre Dame.
Uh and uh his his support for me has been
on waivering and my support for him will not waiver either.
But last night he was thrown out of his last
game as a head coach of the Hawkeyes, which is,
you know, kind of apropos right, Like he's a fiery dude, Philadelphia,
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Philadelphia born, Philadelphia bred guy actually graduated from Penn And uh.
Like if you are going to say which coach will
go out and to blaze a glory, like, that's the guy, right,
it's a little little scarfaces say hello to my little
and uh, you know, no, there's no mound of cocaine
and there's no machine gun, but it's the same kind
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of ideal. What's fascinating though about it is a layer
of things. The first is what are we exactly doing
this for? And we can circle back around to that, right,
it's is are we at a win at all costs?
And clearly like I mean, he can be he's my
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friend and mentor, and we can be honest and say
that program had lost some momentum, right, it just had
They hadn't been drawing as well at home and had
lost some momentum. And as much as we could sit
there and go, hey, here's another case of a school
firing a coach that they didn't support him with enough nil,
it's like, how many teams in the Big ten are
we going to sit there and say that for when
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there are some that make it right? I mean, look,
I have never disclosed, nor will I disclose where we
are in our conference and IO wise, we want to
continue to get better and some of the rules and
some of the things are changing this year. We'll discuss
that throughout the show. But you know, it's like that,
this is the business we've chosen, right, You got to
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do the best with what you got and keep pushing forward.
So again, I'm not sitting here and saying, hey, Iowa
was the worst, because at least Iowa. You know, it
was I think about noon Central time that it came
out that he was fired, as opposed to the night
before midnight midnight Central time, Minnesota fired one of their
alums and Ben Johnson after four years, like like, what
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are we doing here, guys? But I thought what he
said last night is interesting and one of the best
parts of it. You know, one of the best parts
of it is that he kind of lets you in
on something that I've learned in year one. Here's Fan
McCaffrey after the game when he was asked why he
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got his first technical foul?
Speaker 2 (03:51):
What did you do to get that first technical foul?
Speaker 1 (03:55):
I mean, clearly you said something, but what was something?
I mean, what let up to it?
Speaker 3 (04:01):
I want to answer your question, Mike, I like you.
Some days I think I might have pointed out the
foul discrepancy. Yeah, I think I said it was five
to one. I didn't think that was that egregious.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
So it's honestly, people ask all the time, look what'd
you learn? What'd you learn this year? And honestly, one
of the number one things I learned this year is
that officials the three things that will get you. I
could try you through in four the four things that
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officials will get you a T four. And I got
three technical fouls, two on the road and one at home.
The two on the road didn't help, and the one
at home seemed to really help. And we won that
We won a game, and the team went on a
run like an eleven zero run. It wasn't the reason
I got into the technical fouls trying to motivate my teammate.
Maybe the last one was. But what you learn is
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that it's not necessarily about cursing. Because if you know
me and I've done a good job, I don't know
what this is year whatever of radio, national radio, twenty
one years. I don't think I've cursed in all my
years of radio. But in real life, especially in basketball,
I'm not gonna say I have a potty mouth. It's
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not like like Jim Beheim has an amazing way, an
amazing ability to use the F word in like every sentence.
It's just really and it's not the traditional use of
like aggressive F word. It's just amazing. But the point
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is that it's not always about cursing. Sam, does that
surprise you that you I think most people think Ryan
Berschinger's in for Jason Stewart. I think most people believe
that the reason you get a technical foul is like
if you've watched Bull Durham, it's the magic words that
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you can say. Correct. Would that be most what most
people think?
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yeah? Yeah, they think that if you get obscene and
you start cursing, and you know, using all these foul
words that it offends the officials, And personally, I think
that what I heard is that Fran was just chirping
at the officials from the get go, and and finally
there's the straw that broke the camel's back. He had
his hands in his pockets and he was like, in.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Their pockets, don't necessarily matt like. Look, they don't like
they don't like being they don't like the disparity being
talked about. Yeah, yeah, okay. So our last game of
the season we played in the in the Horizon League tournament.
We played at Oakland University. Greg Campy is the senior
most he's been at forty years. He's been there, right,
and can't he worked those officials something beautiful the game
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before when they came from behind the beat us in overtime,
Like it was amazing and we could see him doing it.
And there's actually a point in time in the game
where I pulled one of the officials aside said I
know he's a legend, but like you guys can't be
intimidated by him like this is that's that's just called
just officiate the game. If you're making the right call,
you make the right call. What they don't like is
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and I almost got teed in our last game. It
was ten to one, ten to one in uh, in
foul disparities to start the game ten to one. But
they don't want to be told ten to one. Right,
they know they're looking at it like it looks really
really bad. And sometimes there's some context that matter. You know,
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somebody watches that game, say they played zone, we played man.
We're pressing full court, man to man, they're in his zone.
Of course they foul less. Well yeah, but okay, actually
watched the game and it's a matchup zone. It becomes
man to man with one guy guard in the hole.
But the point is they don't like being told about
the foul disparity. That's a big no no. UH. This
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year specifically, you are not supposed to be on the floor.
Remember last year there was controversy over I think Shaka
was on the floor a bunch. Who else was it?
Who was it? What was it? Dan Hearly was on
the floor, Yeah, somebody else was way out in the floor.
Might have been Sean Miller as well. But you know,
it used to be the coaching box and I got
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I got a coaching box, technical foul or whatever. I
was like a step on the floor, but the play
was at the complete other end. It was just an
excuse to take to teamy because I said the call
was BS and it was a fairly empty arena when
we played in Evansville, but the call was it was.
It was not a great crew that night. So it's
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not just the cursing. It's the first thing is kind
of what you alluded to. It's when they go, hey,
I've had enough. And then if you keep at it
or you crank it up some, then that's when they'll
get you. The foul disparity thing and it being pointed
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out out loud. That'll get you being on the floor.
That's an easy one because they're bosses. When they watch
tape are looking at it. That'll get you. And then
the one that I came to learn is the one
that irritates them the most is when you demonstrate what
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they missed so that everybody knows what you're talking about.
That's the big one. Believe it or not, they give
you a again, it's different the women's game. They give
you no leeway at all in terms of language and
sometimes you know, look empty arena, they're gonna be like, coach,
you know, that's enough when you curse. But cursing is
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not usually what gets you. It's not take it from
somebody who curses. Quite often when I'm coaching, it's the
I've had enough and then you crank it up some
it's the hey, look at the foul disparity, all right,
that's gonna get you. The demonstrating what you're arguing about,
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that'll get you, and the being on the floor will
get you, yes 'am. You know.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Coach McCaffrey had a long history with officials in the
Big Ten, and he he remembered like last year, I
think it was last year of the year before that
he had like this epic stare down with one of
the officials, which even Iowa fans thought was just ridiculous
but also kind of hilarious. So he's he's got a reputation,
so he's going to be maybe his his comments are
going to ring a little bit more harsh in their ears.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah, I mean, like, look, I I don't know about
like for me, you know, I would have assistants saying like, well,
some guy out to get you because of who you
are whatever, Like I don't at our level. I don't
think that's close to being the case. I don't feel
like it was a great year in terms of how
we were officiated, but I don't I want to believe
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that has nothing to do with it. I don't know
most of the officials at that level, so there should
be no ill will because I'd have to know who
you are to have ill will. You know, like I
don't have intricate knowledge. Those are guys just kind of
on the rise. It's just the same as coaches. But again,
the things you learn and you will have a history
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with guys, right. Another reason would be if you had
a previous beef with an official and then you bring
it up, right, because then that sounds kind of like
their wife at home right where you're like six months
later after an argument like yeah, well what about the
night when you didn't come home and you said you're
a Jimmy's house, right, It infuriates them. So if you go, hey,
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that's the I remember my last game in college we
played against Florida. They went on to lose the national
champistick get in Michigan State was in the lead eight
and coach Sutton's the official he was awful. His name
is Dave Libby. He carried grudges, but he coach Sutton
got a technical foul for saying, that's the same call
you got us on at Oklahoma, same thing. It was
the same damn call, and that's what he got them for.
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And they don't they really don't want to hear about
the past and know that you're worried about some call
that was made two months ago, Ryan montse, any of
that surprised you that that's the real reason, real causation
for technical fouls.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
No, No, that that makes perfect sense.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Yeah, I totally get it.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Yeah, I just I saw fran I saw that press
conference and I and Franz said it was five to one.
I was like, five to one's nothing. I've been then
to one in calls, like what are we doing? But
I know the second you point out my assistants, my coach,
don't do it, don't talk about the foil file disparity,
don't do it. And then a lot of times you're
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standing there over there, and there was a couple of
games where there's one game in particular where it was
there was actually two that the officiating was atrocious. It
was just bad and one my assistant, Eric Sanders, who
I've known for years the nicknames eighth grade eighth grade
his job because he's a gigantic human being and a
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big teddy bear. He grabbed me. He's like six foot eight,
six foot nine, he grabbed me. He's like, puts on
a coach. We've had a rough week in the media.
We don't need you getting run And then another one.
I turned to them and go, is this the time
I could get thrown out? They're like, what's the point?
Don't get thrown out and it'll just be another big bet,
big story like that you're a crazy person when when
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nobody actually wants to watch the games and watch the officiating.
So a lot of times when you get thrown out,
there's a thought behind it. Do I get thrown out?
Do I not? Can now? Guys? Can I get thrown out? Now? Now?
This one? They're like, no, don't do it, don't don't
do it, don't don't do it. I'm like, I want
to get thrown out this one. What's that like to
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have to wait in the locker room for my team
to come in? You know?
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Doug, though Fran would regularly be ejected like and say
the first half of his tenure at Iowa, you know,
he's get really fiery on the sidelines and throw fits
and and the amps wouldn't tolerate it and and so
he but like the last few years, he's been a
lot more calm, and he's he's he's had hand you know,
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he's been a lot more strained on the sidelines, and
so like, I think this was his first ejection all year,
and for it to be in his final game as
Iowa's coach is rather unfortunate.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Yeah, there's a little Jerry maguire with you. Who's coming
with me? Who's coming? Who's coming with me? Let's going
with me? Well, listen, fran McCaffrey's nickname's White Magic because
when he was in college it was around the same
time as Magic Johnson and he was a six four
six five point guard wake Forest and Penn and I
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hope he coaches again. He's a friend, he's a mentor,
so as boys and yeah, I mean, like, do I
think they should have fired him? No? Do I understand? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
I get it. And I'm sure that everybody at some
point needs a restart. Fifteen years at one jobs a
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on Aaron Rodgers and and wonder what happens with with
Russell Wilson. Plus Miles Garrett signs a new contract and
then says, uh, none of it's about money. It wasn't
about money. It was about winning, and now we've had
conversations in Cleveland, so now we can win. That's that's it.
That's that's that's it. Uh, Mark, let's start there. Miles
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Garrett says it it wasn't about money, it was about winning.
Then he gets the biggest contract ever given to someone
who's not a quarterback. So do you buy the it
wasn't about money?
Speaker 5 (15:43):
Now, Miles Garrett's messed up. He should have said that
he should have just taken the cash and not gone
out there because it's clearly about the money. Because you
don't sit there and complain publicly about how you want
out of an organization because you're afraid they can't win,
to turn around and take the contract and say, well,
it's not about that, it's about winning. It's it's about
the money, as we see across the league, which is fine.
Players have a right to want to go get paid
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as much as they can while they play this game.
But for Miles Garrett, there's no reason to continue to
play that card.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
What about Cleveland, right, and they're stuck with Deshaun Watson's contract,
but it's been reworked a bunch of times over and
there's no expect tastes him to play. He may never
play again, but they just keep renegotiating it, obviously to
kick the tax kind of down the road, if you will.
How far away are they from winning?
Speaker 5 (16:31):
I think there are ways away. I mean, you know,
I think this team offensive line has always been kind
of a strength. Shob not being there obviously going to
possibly replace that situation. I just feel like if you
really look at the Cleveland Brown, if you're honest, over
the last five years of Andrew Barry and his drafts,
go through them, there's thirty seven picks telling me the
best two players he's drafted that are still with the team.
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It's hard to find, and I know they haven't had
first and second round picks. I get that they made
the deal for DeShawn Watson, but the reality is this
team doesn't even have because they're missing draft picks left
and right, third, fourth, fifth round. Where you can see
other teams, whether it's the forty nine ers, the Eagles,
other organizations that are finding guys in mid rounds that
are making a difference, the Cleveland Browns just haven't. So
to me, they're in a lot of trouble because they
don't have depth and they don't have great quality starters.
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So I think that they're fourth place now going forward,
I think they're destined to have to take a quarterback
in the draft at the number two pick, even though
they hosted Russell Wilson. I think they're drafting a quarterback
and they are holding their breath that they get that
right and then they can pretend or show that when
they finally actually bite the bullet on the rest of
Deshaun Watson, they'll factor into the rookie quarterback shower and
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that's how they'll walk away from those that that contract.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Stug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Trade. That's Mark Dominick.
He's the former gentle manager Tampa Bay Buccaneers. We're getting
closer and closer to the NFL Draft and we have
NFL free agency upon us. Most surprising move made so
far in free agency, to you is what.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
I would say, the Gino Smith trades is the big
surprising move. I know Pete Carroll really likes him. I
just I trust in John Schneider and what he does
is Seattle and it just doesn't feel like it's the
right longer term move for the Raiders. You know, it's
a little bit of a surprise, you know that you
take a guy who's going into year thirteen and feel
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like that's going to fix the franchise for a couple
of seasons. So as much as I understand it, I
still feel like the Raiders probably needed to go and find,
you know, somebody young is with, you know, Aidan O'Connell.
Let those two battle it out, assuming the young guy wins,
whether it's Jackson Dart or something like that. To me,
that would make more sense when you kind of look
at the big picture of what they need to do
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long term because in their division, it's Patrick Mahomes, it's
Bo Nicks, it's Justin Herbert. You still have the fourth
best quarterback and he's old. So it's a bad situation.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Okay, let's talk quarterbacks. Aaron Rodgers reportedly Pittsburgh's just waiting
on him, sitting there waiting. Wait, wait, wait, wait. I
don't know if the attention on the Giant and says cooled.
Obviously he doesn't have to move if he plays for
the Giants. But does the Pittsburgh Steelers fit work for you?
Speaker 4 (19:09):
I thought it fit great.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
I thought that was really all together, you know, and
I thought it made sense across the board. And it
speaks volumes of Justin Fields and Russell Wilson that they'd
go outside of those two to go to Aaron Rodgers.
It kind of tells you where they felt like the
other quarterbacks on the roster sit. And yet this is
the frustrating thing with Aaron Rodgers is you know, he
knows who the teams were, they were interested, he knows,
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you know, this is you know, if this isn't about
the money, then I don't know what else this is.
This is leverage play trying to think the vikings involved
trying to get these two teams to see who's going
to give them the most money instead of where's the
best chance to win? Because I think if you were
to guess between the Giants right now and the Pittsburgh Steelers,
I would choose the Steelers and I would let them
have a draft class and see what they can do
with it. But obviously Aaron is doing the Aaron thing
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where he's just making it about him right now. And
again I've never met Aaron Rodgers, don't know him personally,
but to me, he's had over a month to probably
think about this, and I would have thought this thing
would be put to bed. Maybe it still will be
by tonight. I can't imagine this rolls all the way
to Monday. I think it's a bad look for Aaron personally.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Yeah, listen, I understand the thoughtfulness of it. I understand
of letting everything settle. They go out and make a
big move and get you. Hey, you want talented wide receivers,
We got them. And I actually think the whole thing
probably only works if you haven't Aaron, And stick with
me if this makes sense, You got too talented Pickens
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is talented, maybe thinks he's a little bit better than
he is, right, But you have two really talented guys.
You need somebody who has the name, has the respect
of the league, as one MVP's in the Super Bowl,
to kind of keep those guys in line, because they're
the kind of guys that think they're always open and
think they always need to get the ball more. And
I don't think there's anybody else else out there who
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can do it. Does that make sense in the real
world of the NFL.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
Absolutely does. I think that's spot on the way I
see it too. It's you have to have something in
that huddle that the guys look to and know that
he's fed the ball to some of the greats and
knows how to do it and when.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
To do it.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
And sometimes you get the ball and sometimes you don't.
Yet he'll yell at you if you if you complain
about it. I mean, that's who Aaron is. And so
that's why I thought the fit was really good, you know,
for him to go there when it starts to line
up that way, Sadly, it's just the ball is not rolling.
I think the Giants are really probably pushing very hard
because they don't want another, Sayquon Barkley situation to happen,
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to watch a player who not go in their organization
and they turn around have success somewhere else. And so
I don't feel the Giants again, still sitting at three,
are worried about the quarterback situation and really don't have
a great answer for it.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
What about Russell Wilson.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
Yeah, you know, it's interesting that the Cleveland Browns brought
him in for a visit, but it seems very quiet
of everywhere else. It seems like there's not the market,
and I think maybe word has spread. I mean, you
think about it this way. You know, John Schneider had
a chance to bring him back instead of signing Sam Darnold,
knowing they could trade Genal Smith. Obviously they're the organization
that let Russell go. You can see what happened with
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Sean Payton in Denver, and then you turn around and
look at the Raiders and then say that they've passed
on Russell too. And now you've got the Pittsburgh Steelers
that have passed. That's four teams that are telling you something.
So now you're sitting there as an organization going well,
this may not be the best choice when four teams
have said, you know, we're going to try to find
something else. And I think that's what's going on with Russell.
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And I think he's in the world of hurt right now,
trying to figure out is it worth to play anymore?
I think that's where Russell's probably sitting. Could he play
in twenty twenty five, Sure, but he's going to have
to make a decision is it worth playing to him?
Because I don't think the market's there for him at
all at quarterback.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
No, no, no, And I think I think goes in
a TV. I mean, I just he doesn't strike me
as somebody who works as a backup quarterback. Doesn't agree, right.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
Yes, I agree, you can't get back up. That's not
who Russell Wilson is. I agree with you one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Right. So Cleveland they bring him in, They're like, oh,
what's your plan. Well, we're going to draft somebody and
we want you to mentor him and yes, start then,
and I'm sure he's thinking like, well, yeah, they're gonna
pull me at the first opportunity, right, And then maybe
he goes to the Giants like, well, you know we're
gonna draft somebody. I mean, that's what all of these
teams are going to do, and he'll be a stopgap.
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I almost think it's better to if you can get
out now and go into TV and then you know,
maybe mid season somebody calls you and says you want
to ride into the White Horse, and you see if
you can do it. But I I you know, that's
the other part about about how free agency works in
the NFL as opposed to the NBA. In the NBA,
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you know, I don't like it as much where you
draft first, then free agency second. Right, But in this
particular case, if somebody signs him, well then they go
draft a quarterback. Now he's kind of screwed. And now
I do think that they'll they tell him they're going
to draft somebody they just don't know who are awhere
Cleveland obviously drafting high Wood. So yeah, that's the other thing.
It's like, look, the last Seattle was done. Denver was
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done with them really twice, you know, two different coaching
and then Pittsford was done with him. The league is
telling you it's it's over. It's really just.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
That it's it's just not a good fit across the board.
I don't think the Jets are in a good spot
either with Justin Field. I don't love that signing. That's
one of the ones, and the.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Other signing he makes sense of that one For me, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
I can't because it doesn't make sense to me. There's
to drop forty million dollars on a quarterback that again,
the Bears have said he's not good enough, to Steelers
have said he's not good enough given multiple opportunities. And
now the Jets are like, well, yeah, he's going to
work for us until we find somebody else. It's just
I just you know, it's I think it's more of
a panic move by the Jets because they were scared
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of what what else is the option? Not knowing how
the quarterback market is going to fall. But I don't
just do it, Just don't don't sign somebody to sign
somebody for the sake of it. You've got to show
me that there's real potential that he can win. And again,
you just point to the quarterback room in the conference
or in that division and say you're the worst and
it's not even close. And that's a problem for them.
So they've got to now trying to figure out another
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way to add another quarterback to the roster while they're
still dropping twenty million dollars, which is real money that
could be spent somewhere else or used on something else.
And to me, that's really disappointed, as is to me
Doug Daniel Jones that the Colts. I just don't love it.
I think he should have stayed in Minnesota for one
more year, rode the coattails that sam Donold's train of
just like being the backup, learning that system and seeing
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what he could go get instead of jumping to the
Colts where he's going to go learn another new system
and try to beat out, you know, Anthony Richardson, which he.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Probably could do. So what do you think the Vikings do?
Do they hand it to JJ McCarthy or they bring
somebody to legit com be.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
I think they handed JJ McCarthy. I think that's been
their plan from day one. I think that's what they
want to do. And then I don't blame it. I
think that's why they drafted him that spot. He showed
a little bit of flash before he got hurt, and
you know, I think that they've seen him and watched
him work and watched his personality and have comforts that
he's the guy for the future. You want to have
that veteran backup that he gets you through. Like, I
think that all these clubs and you see some of
(26:00):
these guys signed around the league, but you know, I
think it's JJ and there's no doubt in my mind
that that's a hand of the ball too.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Week one, Cooper Cup. What is it? Is it the
money or is he just washed because the injuries?
Speaker 5 (26:14):
You know, I think a lot of teams are still
into Cooper Cup. As you're seeing the Saints, You're seeing
the Cowboys, You're seeing a lot of teams kind of
you know, kick the can and say, where is this
situation for him? And so I think teams feel like,
you know, they can get him at a very reasonable
price based off of what the Rams are doing. So
I still think that Cooper Cup finds a home and
I think he saws the chance to be productive in
(26:34):
twenty twenty five. I think you're banking one year at
a time. But I don't think that's a bad signing
for any club that gets Cooper Cup. At this point.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Stuck got Leep show here on Fox Sports Radio. Mark
dominic Is is our guest. It feels like all of
these a lot of these quarterbacks, you know, Geno Smith,
Sam Donald. You look at the numbers, and I mean,
look for an average human being, there's a lot of money.
But for the NFL at quarterbacks, it's not crazy. Does
(27:06):
it feel to you like the plan for several of
these teams is, hey, let's sign a placeholder justin fields.
Let's sign a placeholder Gino Smith. Let's draft a guy
second or third day and try and develop him. See
if we can get lightning in a bottle there. And meanwhile,
like that's kind of the working plan because they don't
love the top end of the quarterback crop.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
I think there's a lot to that, Doug. But I
also think people realize now with the amount of coaches
that are one and done or two and done, that
you can't it's hard to play the long game. And
so you've got to have somebody that can get in there.
And to your point, you could draft a quarterback in
twenty twenty five, or you can get through twenty twenty
five and be competitive and hope for twenty twenty six
draft class, which will be a better quarterback class than
this one is. And so I think you've got to
(27:50):
put yourself in a chance to be able to be
competitive to your fan base and to your ownership, understanding
that your eye is long term. And there are quarterbacks
I mean, Jalen Milroe and Quin yours. You know, could
they find their way in the first you could make
it a case for it. Will they find their way
in the second? Absolutely they will. I don't think either
one of those guys fall so third, I think it's
crazy to think that right now with where the quarterback
(28:10):
market is and where teams are looking for. But you know,
these these top three where Jackson Dart is closing the
gap and getting closer close for that top ten type
of pick. You know, I see that's going to be
the choice for those clubs.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Awesome stuff, Mark, Mark, great stuff. Have yourself an incredible weekend.
We'll talk to you next week.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
Thanks for our guests, Thanks for having me on Buddy.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
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This is fun. This is honestly the next two days
I think are the best days in college basketball last
yesterday and into the next two days, cause you know,
(29:15):
more teams play more competitive games. That Oklahoma Kentucky game
at the end last night was amazing. WHOA. On the
other hand, that's just a It's just a hard one
to take, right Did you guys see the game? Anybody monster?
You see the game? Sammy? You see the game?
Speaker 2 (29:32):
I saw that the end of the game of the
Kentucky Oklahoma game. Yes, I did watch it. I was here.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
It was crazy. Uh Okay, So Kentucky was was up
big late. They were up like ten with like a
minute to go. It felt like was it yeah?
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Kind of felt like that yep.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Yeah, And it was also kind of late into the night.
It's one of the things with these tournaments are so
bloated now, it's like and the obviously they're trying for
evening tip times. But they led by ten with a
minute twenty to go, minute twenty to go, and Oklahoma
started pressing Kentucky, and Kentucky just started spitting the ball
up and otega Oway got the ball in bounds after
(30:17):
Oklahoma did in fact take a one point lead and
go length to the floor and score point five seconds ago.
But here's where it's maybe more interesting, or maybe more
of a sign of times in college basketball. Do you
know where otega Oway played college basketball last year?
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Oklahoma?
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Yes, his brother. I think his brother plays for the
Ravens still and oh way, I love Oway. He was
playing kind of a small ball four for the Sooners
last year, plays more of a guard this year for Kentucky.
He's terrific. But that's just weird, right, It's and I'll,
(30:54):
you know, be honest with you. We have we've had
people approach us because and I'm it's hard to get
to get a gauge on why right do you really
want to do you really like what we're doing? Maybe
you know our guys are our guys like playing for us.
You know, we're getting all the ones we want back,
(31:15):
but uh, but we have guys in our league reach
out to us, and it's just a weird thing, like, wait,
you're gonna play against a team that you played for
all last year and now, in fairness, Oklahoma wasn't in
the SEC last year. Mark Pope was also not in
the SEC. He was at BYU in the Big twelve.
(31:39):
So there's the hey, we saw you played last year
and once you get in the portal, it doesn't matter.
But I don't know of all the parts of it
that are little are icky.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
It's a little incestuous.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
That's a little incestuous, like wait, what so it's a
weird one. It was still a fun game and a
great finish, but weird. Let's start a football. Miles Garrett
is a star. I struggled with Miles Garrett because as
I think, I think we all we were all aware, right,
(32:16):
and he just he just signed back with the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Mason rudolph Is he's now in Oklham, state of lump.
He's a friend of mine. So Mason, who was a starter,
a backup, a starter, a backup in Pittsburgh and then
he he's kind of bounced around the league a little bit.
But remember when Mason was a quarterback of the Steelers.
(32:37):
When was the starting quarterback of the Steelers, he and
Miles Garrett got into it. I think it was a
Thursday night game, and Miles Garrett said he dropped an
end bomb and that's not No one else said they
heard it, and I know Mason, like, that's not who
he is, Like come on. So I struggled with the
Miles Garrett thing to begin with. So I'll admit carrying
(33:01):
an anti Miles Garrett bias because of that. But I
think when you when you hear what he said and
you look at the reality of it, you'll probably come
to a similar, if not the same conclusion. Miles Garrett,
of course, a couple of weeks ago, said he wanted
to be traded from the Cleveland Browns. Then he said
(33:21):
he wanted to meet with the owner of the Cleveland Browns.
Now he re signed with the biggest and at the time,
Samuel were on those shows, Ryan, you weren't, Bonce. I
don't remember because it was a little bit in and out.
But I said, this has nothing to do with anything
other than he wants a contract extension. He's coming into
the last year of his deal, so he re signs
(33:44):
with the biggest contract in the history of the NFL
to anyone who's not a quarterback. Here's what he said
at the press conference to day.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
I had some frustration, and you know, I feel like
that helped us grow and have conversations that were difficult
but I need to be had. And that created a
little bit more discourse, helped build some relationships and reinfirm them.
And now I feel like we're in a better place
and now we can we can move on and grow
(34:13):
from there. I think the fans will see that. You know,
my heart's in the right place. It's never been about money.
It's always been about winning, and that's where my frustration lies.
And you know, I want to think Nicole because you know,
she's the best aged in the world. And I didn't
have any really input on how the how the deal
was going to look, but I just you know, know
(34:33):
that and when the time came, and know we all
know we're on the same page, know that she she
went on and do what she does and got the
best deal possible for myself and for the Browns.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Yeah, I mean, none of that has anything to do
with winning. Right, you had frustrations, sure, okay, but if
you're really frustrated, you really wanted to win. And there's
no doubt that we'll see some of the details. And
I'm guessing that by resetting a contract, they pushed some
of the numbers down the road. So, hey, we freed
up some money for you to guys, go spend to
(35:04):
get more money. But the reality of it is that
don't tell me you want all this money and then
say yeah, it's all about winning and culture and what like.
No it's not. No, it's not no, it's not like
they're there. I no one will ever do this. But
(35:25):
at some point this is this is why Zach Grinkey.
Do you remember when Zach Grenky signed I think in
Arizona for like two hundred million dollars, right, and Zach
Crenky was the number one pick. He was Brewers and
then I can't remember if Arizona was next or if
the Dodgers were next, but he he came out and said,
(35:46):
if somebody wants to give me two hundred million dollars,
I'm gonna sign the deal. That's what I want right,
He just and that's what he did. That's what he did. Like,
don't tell us it's not about the money when it's
quite obviously about the money. You're better off. You're better
off saying, Hey, I like I'm last year in my contract.
(36:10):
I played my guts out for the Browns. I think
we're ultimately going to win, but I'm not doing it
with one year left of my deal. You know, I'd
rather go somewhere else. In order to stay. I need
to get paid. This is what I think I'm worth.
You know, some people will will disagree or say, you know,
(36:30):
there could be somebody who says what I said, which
is a winning is really important than being the highest
paid guy isn't important. But at least you were honest.
This strikes me as willfully dishonest, willfully dishonest. Play that
for me again real quick, Sam, if you would.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
I had some frustration, and you know, I feel like
that helped us grow and have conversations that were difficult
but I need to be had. And that created a
little bit more discourse, helped build some relationships and reinfirm
them and not feel like we're in a better place
and now we can we can move on and grow
(37:13):
from there. I think the fans will see that.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
Yeah, we had some relationship issues, and now we're better.
What's the relationship issue? You want to get paid more money?
Now we're better. You know this is the I want
a divorce? How about a diamond ring? I don't want
a divorce. I'm good. We had some relationship issues. They
were solved with a diamond ring, you know. Yeah, No,
(37:38):
you're going to have to do some therapy and some
groveling and all the other stuff. I don't. I don't
buy any of that at all. Sorry, I just don't,
and I do. I think I'll give you an example.
In our exit meetings with players, I have talked to
a couple of parents, and one of the parents I
(37:59):
spoke with was like, hey, you know, there's a lot
of things I liked about about your coaching of my kid,
but there was this, and there was that, and there
was this, and we talked for an hour and an
hour and four minutes. In the conversation, I said, hey,
you know, we've talked for an hour and four minutes.
I looked at my phone, and you talked about numbers
(38:23):
and roll and things you could have done and whatever.
You know. It wasn't one time that you said, if
you would have done this with my kid, we would
have won more games, right if you Does that make sense? Sam?
Does that make sense? Ryan? Right? Like? Never what? There
wasn't a word uttered about the only thing that actually matters,
(38:50):
actually matters, which is because what was told to me was, Hey,
if you would have done this, my kid's numbers would
have been better. If you would have done this, my
kid would have been in a better position to make
more money if he leaves your school. You know, right,
That's what was and probably not wrong in terms of numbers.
(39:11):
And I'm like the rare head coach that I'll go like, hey,
I'm not perfect. There are times when I played him
too much. There's time, but I probably didn't blame enough.
I own that. But but in an hour and four minutes,
there wasn't a word uttered about the only part that
actually matters, winning. And in all of Miles Garrett's talk
(39:40):
about you know, relationships or whatever, like, dude, what are
we doing if you really want to help us win?
Say hey, I want to help us win. I want
to scare my future. I went and instructed my agent, Hey,
I don't need the most money. I don't. I don't
need forty million dollars a year. Would I take it? Sure,
(40:03):
But if I take twenty, we got to make sure
the rest of it is going towards a quarterback, towards
the offensive line, towards other position players. Otherwise, just be
honest and go, look, man, this is probably my last
big contract. I don't really want to leave Cleveland. I
don't love the losing, but I can lose. I can't
lose and be playing and losing money. I'll lose, but
(40:27):
I'm gonna be getting paid. That's the reality of it.
And they also probably should have traded him. And if
they couldn't find the right value, that tells you what
the league thinks of what his value actually is.
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Welcome in. Yeah. Look, this is the second consecutive day
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in which a Big ten coach had been fired. This
one had been a kind of long rumored and it's
a long tenured coach. You know, I think the second
longest tenured coach in the Big ten next the time
zoh Fran McCaffrey was was fired earlier today. Fran, you know,
for full disclosure, and people have listened me for a
long time, know that he's been a big part of
(01:10):
my life. He's been a mentor to me. He Uh,
he used the reason that I I went to Notre Dame.
Uh and uh his his support for me has been
on waivering and my support for him will not waiver either.
But last night he was thrown out of his last
game as a head coach of the Hawkeyes, which is,
you know, kind of apropos right, Like he's a fiery dude, Philadelphia,
(01:34):
Philadelphia born, Philadelphia bred guy actually graduated from Penn And uh.
Like if you are going to say which coach will
go out and to blaze a glory, like, that's the guy, right,
it's a little little scarfaces say hello to my little
and uh, you know, no, there's no mound of cocaine
and there's no machine gun, but it's the same kind
(01:55):
of ideal. What's fascinating though about it is a layer
of things. The first is what are we exactly doing
this for? And we can circle back around to that, right,
it's is are we at a win at all costs?
And clearly like I mean, he can be he's my
(02:18):
friend and mentor, and we can be honest and say
that program had lost some momentum, right, it just had
They hadn't been drawing as well at home and had
lost some momentum. And as much as we could sit
there and go, hey, here's another case of a school
firing a coach that they didn't support him with enough nil,
it's like, how many teams in the Big ten are
we going to sit there and say that for when
(02:40):
there are some that make it right? I mean, look,
I have never disclosed, nor will I disclose where we
are in our conference and IO wise, we want to
continue to get better and some of the rules and
some of the things are changing this year. We'll discuss
that throughout the show. But you know, it's like that,
this is the business we've chosen, right, You got to
(03:02):
do the best with what you got and keep pushing forward.
So again, I'm not sitting here and saying, hey, Iowa
was the worst, because at least Iowa. You know, it
was I think about noon Central time that it came
out that he was fired, as opposed to the night
before midnight midnight Central time, Minnesota fired one of their
alums and Ben Johnson after four years, like like, what
(03:25):
are we doing here, guys? But I thought what he
said last night is interesting and one of the best
parts of it. You know, one of the best parts
of it is that he kind of lets you in
on something that I've learned in year one. Here's Fan
McCaffrey after the game when he was asked why he
(03:48):
got his first technical foul?
Speaker 2 (03:51):
What did you do to get that first technical foul?
Speaker 1 (03:55):
I mean, clearly you said something, but what was something?
I mean, what let up to it?
Speaker 3 (04:01):
I want to answer your question, Mike, I like you.
Some days I think I might have pointed out the
foul discrepancy. Yeah, I think I said it was five
to one. I didn't think that was that egregious.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
So it's honestly, people ask all the time, look what'd
you learn? What'd you learn this year? And honestly, one
of the number one things I learned this year is
that officials the three things that will get you. I
could try you through in four the four things that
(04:34):
officials will get you a T four. And I got
three technical fouls, two on the road and one at home.
The two on the road didn't help, and the one
at home seemed to really help. And we won that
We won a game, and the team went on a
run like an eleven zero run. It wasn't the reason
I got into the technical fouls trying to motivate my teammate.
Maybe the last one was. But what you learn is
(04:57):
that it's not necessarily about cursing. Because if you know
me and I've done a good job, I don't know
what this is year whatever of radio, national radio, twenty
one years. I don't think I've cursed in all my
years of radio. But in real life, especially in basketball,
I'm not gonna say I have a potty mouth. It's
(05:18):
not like like Jim Beheim has an amazing way, an
amazing ability to use the F word in like every sentence.
It's just really and it's not the traditional use of
like aggressive F word. It's just amazing. But the point
(05:39):
is that it's not always about cursing. Sam, does that
surprise you that you I think most people think Ryan
Berschinger's in for Jason Stewart. I think most people believe
that the reason you get a technical foul is like
if you've watched Bull Durham, it's the magic words that
(05:59):
you can say. Correct. Would that be most what most
people think?
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yeah? Yeah, they think that if you get obscene and
you start cursing, and you know, using all these foul
words that it offends the officials, And personally, I think
that what I heard is that Fran was just chirping
at the officials from the get go, and and finally
there's the straw that broke the camel's back. He had
his hands in his pockets and he was like, in.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Their pockets, don't necessarily matt like. Look, they don't like
they don't like being they don't like the disparity being
talked about. Yeah, yeah, okay. So our last game of
the season we played in the in the Horizon League tournament.
We played at Oakland University. Greg Campy is the senior
most he's been at forty years. He's been there, right,
and can't he worked those officials something beautiful the game
(06:42):
before when they came from behind the beat us in overtime,
Like it was amazing and we could see him doing it.
And there's actually a point in time in the game
where I pulled one of the officials aside said I
know he's a legend, but like you guys can't be
intimidated by him like this is that's that's just called
just officiate the game. If you're making the right call,
you make the right call. What they don't like is
(07:04):
and I almost got teed in our last game. It
was ten to one, ten to one in uh, in
foul disparities to start the game ten to one. But
they don't want to be told ten to one. Right,
they know they're looking at it like it looks really
really bad. And sometimes there's some context that matter. You know,
(07:27):
somebody watches that game, say they played zone, we played man.
We're pressing full court, man to man, they're in his zone.
Of course they foul less. Well yeah, but okay, actually
watched the game and it's a matchup zone. It becomes
man to man with one guy guard in the hole.
But the point is they don't like being told about
the foul disparity. That's a big no no. UH. This
(07:48):
year specifically, you are not supposed to be on the floor.
Remember last year there was controversy over I think Shaka
was on the floor a bunch. Who else was it?
Who was it? What was it? Dan Hearly was on
the floor, Yeah, somebody else was way out in the floor.
Might have been Sean Miller as well. But you know,
it used to be the coaching box and I got
(08:09):
I got a coaching box, technical foul or whatever. I
was like a step on the floor, but the play
was at the complete other end. It was just an
excuse to take to teamy because I said the call
was BS and it was a fairly empty arena when
we played in Evansville, but the call was it was.
It was not a great crew that night. So it's
(08:31):
not just the cursing. It's the first thing is kind
of what you alluded to. It's when they go, hey,
I've had enough. And then if you keep at it
or you crank it up some, then that's when they'll
get you. The foul disparity thing and it being pointed
(08:52):
out out loud. That'll get you being on the floor.
That's an easy one because they're bosses. When they watch
tape are looking at it. That'll get you. And then
the one that I came to learn is the one
that irritates them the most is when you demonstrate what
(09:12):
they missed so that everybody knows what you're talking about.
That's the big one. Believe it or not, they give
you a again, it's different the women's game. They give
you no leeway at all in terms of language and
sometimes you know, look empty arena, they're gonna be like, coach,
you know, that's enough when you curse. But cursing is
(09:33):
not usually what gets you. It's not take it from
somebody who curses. Quite often when I'm coaching, it's the
I've had enough and then you crank it up some
it's the hey, look at the foul disparity, all right,
that's gonna get you. The demonstrating what you're arguing about,
(09:54):
that'll get you, and the being on the floor will
get you, yes 'am. You know.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Coach McCaffrey had a long history with officials in the
Big Ten, and he he remembered like last year, I
think it was last year of the year before that
he had like this epic stare down with one of
the officials, which even Iowa fans thought was just ridiculous
but also kind of hilarious. So he's he's got a reputation,
so he's going to be maybe his his comments are
going to ring a little bit more harsh in their ears.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah, I mean, like, look, I I don't know about
like for me, you know, I would have assistants saying like, well,
some guy out to get you because of who you
are whatever, Like I don't at our level. I don't
think that's close to being the case. I don't feel
like it was a great year in terms of how
we were officiated, but I don't I want to believe
(10:42):
that has nothing to do with it. I don't know
most of the officials at that level, so there should
be no ill will because I'd have to know who
you are to have ill will. You know, like I
don't have intricate knowledge. Those are guys just kind of
on the rise. It's just the same as coaches. But again,
the things you learn and you will have a history
(11:03):
with guys, right. Another reason would be if you had
a previous beef with an official and then you bring
it up, right, because then that sounds kind of like
their wife at home right where you're like six months
later after an argument like yeah, well what about the
night when you didn't come home and you said you're
a Jimmy's house, right, It infuriates them. So if you go, hey,
(11:24):
that's the I remember my last game in college we
played against Florida. They went on to lose the national
champistick get in Michigan State was in the lead eight
and coach Sutton's the official he was awful. His name
is Dave Libby. He carried grudges, but he coach Sutton
got a technical foul for saying, that's the same call
you got us on at Oklahoma, same thing. It was
the same damn call, and that's what he got them for.
(11:44):
And they don't they really don't want to hear about
the past and know that you're worried about some call
that was made two months ago, Ryan montse, any of
that surprised you that that's the real reason, real causation
for technical fouls.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
No, No, that that makes perfect sense.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Yeah, I totally get it.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Yeah, I just I saw fran I saw that press
conference and I and Franz said it was five to one.
I was like, five to one's nothing. I've been then
to one in calls, like what are we doing? But
I know the second you point out my assistants, my coach,
don't do it, don't talk about the foil file disparity,
don't do it. And then a lot of times you're
(12:24):
standing there over there, and there was a couple of
games where there's one game in particular where it was
there was actually two that the officiating was atrocious. It
was just bad and one my assistant, Eric Sanders, who
I've known for years the nicknames eighth grade eighth grade
his job because he's a gigantic human being and a
(12:46):
big teddy bear. He grabbed me. He's like six foot eight,
six foot nine, he grabbed me. He's like, puts on
a coach. We've had a rough week in the media.
We don't need you getting run And then another one.
I turned to them and go, is this the time
I could get thrown out? They're like, what's the point?
Don't get thrown out and it'll just be another big bet,
big story like that you're a crazy person when when
(13:07):
nobody actually wants to watch the games and watch the officiating.
So a lot of times when you get thrown out,
there's a thought behind it. Do I get thrown out?
Do I not? Can now? Guys? Can I get thrown out? Now? Now?
This one? They're like, no, don't do it, don't don't
do it, don't don't do it. I'm like, I want
to get thrown out this one. What's that like to
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have to wait in the locker room for my team
to come in? You know?
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Doug, though Fran would regularly be ejected like and say
the first half of his tenure at Iowa, you know,
he's get really fiery on the sidelines and throw fits
and and the amps wouldn't tolerate it and and so
he but like the last few years, he's been a
lot more calm, and he's he's he's had hand you know,
(13:52):
he's been a lot more strained on the sidelines, and
so like, I think this was his first ejection all year,
and for it to be in his final game as
Iowa's coach is rather unfortunate.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Yeah, there's a little Jerry maguire with you. Who's coming
with me? Who's coming? Who's coming with me? Let's going
with me? Well, listen, fran McCaffrey's nickname's White Magic because
when he was in college it was around the same
time as Magic Johnson and he was a six four
six five point guard wake Forest and Penn and I
(14:23):
hope he coaches again. He's a friend, he's a mentor,
so as boys and yeah, I mean, like, do I
think they should have fired him? No? Do I understand? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
I get it. And I'm sure that everybody at some
point needs a restart. Fifteen years at one jobs a
(14:44):
long time. Thanks for listening to The Doug Gotleb Show podcast.
Be sure to catch us live every weekday three to
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on Aaron Rodgers and and wonder what happens with with
Russell Wilson. Plus Miles Garrett signs a new contract and
then says, uh, none of it's about money. It wasn't
about money. It was about winning, and now we've had
conversations in Cleveland, so now we can win. That's that's it.
That's that's that's it. Uh, Mark, let's start there. Miles
(15:28):
Garrett says it it wasn't about money, it was about winning.
Then he gets the biggest contract ever given to someone
who's not a quarterback. So do you buy the it
wasn't about money?
Speaker 5 (15:43):
Now, Miles Garrett's messed up. He should have said that
he should have just taken the cash and not gone
out there because it's clearly about the money. Because you
don't sit there and complain publicly about how you want
out of an organization because you're afraid they can't win,
to turn around and take the contract and say, well,
it's not about that, it's about winning. It's it's about
the money, as we see across the league, which is fine.
Players have a right to want to go get paid
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as much as they can while they play this game.
But for Miles Garrett, there's no reason to continue to
play that card.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
What about Cleveland, right, and they're stuck with Deshaun Watson's contract,
but it's been reworked a bunch of times over and
there's no expect tastes him to play. He may never
play again, but they just keep renegotiating it, obviously to
kick the tax kind of down the road, if you will.
How far away are they from winning?
Speaker 5 (16:31):
I think there are ways away. I mean, you know,
I think this team offensive line has always been kind
of a strength. Shob not being there obviously going to
possibly replace that situation. I just feel like if you
really look at the Cleveland Brown, if you're honest, over
the last five years of Andrew Barry and his drafts,
go through them, there's thirty seven picks telling me the
best two players he's drafted that are still with the team.
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It's hard to find, and I know they haven't had
first and second round picks. I get that they made
the deal for DeShawn Watson, but the reality is this
team doesn't even have because they're missing draft picks left
and right, third, fourth, fifth round. Where you can see
other teams, whether it's the forty nine ers, the Eagles,
other organizations that are finding guys in mid rounds that
are making a difference, the Cleveland Browns just haven't. So
to me, they're in a lot of trouble because they
don't have depth and they don't have great quality starters.
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So I think that they're fourth place now going forward,
I think they're destined to have to take a quarterback
in the draft at the number two pick, even though
they hosted Russell Wilson. I think they're drafting a quarterback
and they are holding their breath that they get that
right and then they can pretend or show that when
they finally actually bite the bullet on the rest of
Deshaun Watson, they'll factor into the rookie quarterback shower and
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that's how they'll walk away from those that that contract.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Stug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Trade. That's Mark Dominick.
He's the former gentle manager Tampa Bay Buccaneers. We're getting
closer and closer to the NFL Draft and we have
NFL free agency upon us. Most surprising move made so
far in free agency, to you is what.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
I would say, the Gino Smith trades is the big
surprising move. I know Pete Carroll really likes him. I
just I trust in John Schneider and what he does
is Seattle and it just doesn't feel like it's the
right longer term move for the Raiders. You know, it's
a little bit of a surprise, you know that you
take a guy who's going into year thirteen and feel
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like that's going to fix the franchise for a couple
of seasons. So as much as I understand it, I
still feel like the Raiders probably needed to go and find,
you know, somebody young is with, you know, Aidan O'Connell.
Let those two battle it out, assuming the young guy wins,
whether it's Jackson Dart or something like that. To me,
that would make more sense when you kind of look
at the big picture of what they need to do
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long term because in their division, it's Patrick Mahomes, it's
Bo Nicks, it's Justin Herbert. You still have the fourth
best quarterback and he's old. So it's a bad situation.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Okay, let's talk quarterbacks. Aaron Rodgers reportedly Pittsburgh's just waiting
on him, sitting there waiting. Wait, wait, wait, wait. I
don't know if the attention on the Giant and says cooled.
Obviously he doesn't have to move if he plays for
the Giants. But does the Pittsburgh Steelers fit work for you?
Speaker 4 (19:09):
I thought it fit great.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
I thought that was really all together, you know, and
I thought it made sense across the board. And it
speaks volumes of Justin Fields and Russell Wilson that they'd
go outside of those two to go to Aaron Rodgers.
It kind of tells you where they felt like the
other quarterbacks on the roster sit. And yet this is
the frustrating thing with Aaron Rodgers is you know, he
knows who the teams were, they were interested, he knows,
(19:31):
you know, this is you know, if this isn't about
the money, then I don't know what else this is.
This is leverage play trying to think the vikings involved
trying to get these two teams to see who's going
to give them the most money instead of where's the
best chance to win? Because I think if you were
to guess between the Giants right now and the Pittsburgh Steelers,
I would choose the Steelers and I would let them
have a draft class and see what they can do
with it. But obviously Aaron is doing the Aaron thing
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where he's just making it about him right now. And
again I've never met Aaron Rodgers, don't know him personally,
but to me, he's had over a month to probably
think about this, and I would have thought this thing
would be put to bed. Maybe it still will be
by tonight. I can't imagine this rolls all the way
to Monday. I think it's a bad look for Aaron personally.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Yeah, listen, I understand the thoughtfulness of it. I understand
of letting everything settle. They go out and make a
big move and get you. Hey, you want talented wide receivers,
We got them. And I actually think the whole thing
probably only works if you haven't Aaron, And stick with
me if this makes sense, You got too talented Pickens
(20:32):
is talented, maybe thinks he's a little bit better than
he is, right, But you have two really talented guys.
You need somebody who has the name, has the respect
of the league, as one MVP's in the Super Bowl,
to kind of keep those guys in line, because they're
the kind of guys that think they're always open and
think they always need to get the ball more. And
I don't think there's anybody else else out there who
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can do it. Does that make sense in the real
world of the NFL.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
Absolutely does. I think that's spot on the way I
see it too. It's you have to have something in
that huddle that the guys look to and know that
he's fed the ball to some of the greats and
knows how to do it and when.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
To do it.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
And sometimes you get the ball and sometimes you don't.
Yet he'll yell at you if you if you complain
about it. I mean, that's who Aaron is. And so
that's why I thought the fit was really good, you know,
for him to go there when it starts to line
up that way, Sadly, it's just the ball is not rolling.
I think the Giants are really probably pushing very hard
because they don't want another, Sayquon Barkley situation to happen,
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to watch a player who not go in their organization
and they turn around have success somewhere else. And so
I don't feel the Giants again, still sitting at three,
are worried about the quarterback situation and really don't have
a great answer for it.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
What about Russell Wilson.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
Yeah, you know, it's interesting that the Cleveland Browns brought
him in for a visit, but it seems very quiet
of everywhere else. It seems like there's not the market,
and I think maybe word has spread. I mean, you
think about it this way. You know, John Schneider had
a chance to bring him back instead of signing Sam Darnold,
knowing they could trade Genal Smith. Obviously they're the organization
that let Russell go. You can see what happened with
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Sean Payton in Denver, and then you turn around and
look at the Raiders and then say that they've passed
on Russell too. And now you've got the Pittsburgh Steelers
that have passed. That's four teams that are telling you something.
So now you're sitting there as an organization going well,
this may not be the best choice when four teams
have said, you know, we're going to try to find
something else. And I think that's what's going on with Russell.
(22:24):
And I think he's in the world of hurt right now,
trying to figure out is it worth to play anymore?
I think that's where Russell's probably sitting. Could he play
in twenty twenty five, Sure, but he's going to have
to make a decision is it worth playing to him?
Because I don't think the market's there for him at
all at quarterback.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
No, no, no, And I think I think goes in
a TV. I mean, I just he doesn't strike me
as somebody who works as a backup quarterback. Doesn't agree, right.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
Yes, I agree, you can't get back up. That's not
who Russell Wilson is. I agree with you one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Right. So Cleveland they bring him in, They're like, oh,
what's your plan. Well, we're going to draft somebody and
we want you to mentor him and yes, start then,
and I'm sure he's thinking like, well, yeah, they're gonna
pull me at the first opportunity, right, And then maybe
he goes to the Giants like, well, you know we're
gonna draft somebody. I mean, that's what all of these
teams are going to do, and he'll be a stopgap.
(23:13):
I almost think it's better to if you can get
out now and go into TV and then you know,
maybe mid season somebody calls you and says you want
to ride into the White Horse, and you see if
you can do it. But I I you know, that's
the other part about about how free agency works in
the NFL as opposed to the NBA. In the NBA,
(23:34):
you know, I don't like it as much where you
draft first, then free agency second. Right, But in this
particular case, if somebody signs him, well then they go
draft a quarterback. Now he's kind of screwed. And now
I do think that they'll they tell him they're going
to draft somebody they just don't know who are awhere
Cleveland obviously drafting high Wood. So yeah, that's the other thing.
It's like, look, the last Seattle was done. Denver was
(23:56):
done with them really twice, you know, two different coaching
and then Pittsford was done with him. The league is
telling you it's it's over. It's really just.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
That it's it's just not a good fit across the board.
I don't think the Jets are in a good spot
either with Justin Field. I don't love that signing. That's
one of the ones, and the.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Other signing he makes sense of that one For me, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
I can't because it doesn't make sense to me. There's
to drop forty million dollars on a quarterback that again,
the Bears have said he's not good enough, to Steelers
have said he's not good enough given multiple opportunities. And
now the Jets are like, well, yeah, he's going to
work for us until we find somebody else. It's just
I just you know, it's I think it's more of
a panic move by the Jets because they were scared
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of what what else is the option? Not knowing how
the quarterback market is going to fall. But I don't
just do it, Just don't don't sign somebody to sign
somebody for the sake of it. You've got to show
me that there's real potential that he can win. And again,
you just point to the quarterback room in the conference
or in that division and say you're the worst and
it's not even close. And that's a problem for them.
So they've got to now trying to figure out another
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way to add another quarterback to the roster while they're
still dropping twenty million dollars, which is real money that
could be spent somewhere else or used on something else.
And to me, that's really disappointed, as is to me
Doug Daniel Jones that the Colts. I just don't love it.
I think he should have stayed in Minnesota for one
more year, rode the coattails that sam Donold's train of
just like being the backup, learning that system and seeing
(25:23):
what he could go get instead of jumping to the
Colts where he's going to go learn another new system
and try to beat out, you know, Anthony Richardson, which he.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Probably could do. So what do you think the Vikings do?
Do they hand it to JJ McCarthy or they bring
somebody to legit com be.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
I think they handed JJ McCarthy. I think that's been
their plan from day one. I think that's what they
want to do. And then I don't blame it. I
think that's why they drafted him that spot. He showed
a little bit of flash before he got hurt, and
you know, I think that they've seen him and watched
him work and watched his personality and have comforts that
he's the guy for the future. You want to have
that veteran backup that he gets you through. Like, I
think that all these clubs and you see some of
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these guys signed around the league, but you know, I
think it's JJ and there's no doubt in my mind
that that's a hand of the ball too.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Week one, Cooper Cup. What is it? Is it the
money or is he just washed because the injuries?
Speaker 5 (26:14):
You know, I think a lot of teams are still
into Cooper Cup. As you're seeing the Saints, You're seeing
the Cowboys, You're seeing a lot of teams kind of
you know, kick the can and say, where is this
situation for him? And so I think teams feel like,
you know, they can get him at a very reasonable
price based off of what the Rams are doing. So
I still think that Cooper Cup finds a home and
I think he saws the chance to be productive in
(26:34):
twenty twenty five. I think you're banking one year at
a time. But I don't think that's a bad signing
for any club that gets Cooper Cup. At this point.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Stuck got Leep show here on Fox Sports Radio. Mark
dominic Is is our guest. It feels like all of
these a lot of these quarterbacks, you know, Geno Smith,
Sam Donald. You look at the numbers, and I mean,
look for an average human being, there's a lot of money.
But for the NFL at quarterbacks, it's not crazy. Does
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it feel to you like the plan for several of
these teams is, hey, let's sign a placeholder justin fields.
Let's sign a placeholder Gino Smith. Let's draft a guy
second or third day and try and develop him. See
if we can get lightning in a bottle there. And meanwhile,
like that's kind of the working plan because they don't
love the top end of the quarterback crop.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
I think there's a lot to that, Doug. But I
also think people realize now with the amount of coaches
that are one and done or two and done, that
you can't it's hard to play the long game. And
so you've got to have somebody that can get in there.
And to your point, you could draft a quarterback in
twenty twenty five, or you can get through twenty twenty
five and be competitive and hope for twenty twenty six
draft class, which will be a better quarterback class than
this one is. And so I think you've got to
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put yourself in a chance to be able to be
competitive to your fan base and to your ownership, understanding
that your eye is long term. And there are quarterbacks
I mean, Jalen Milroe and Quin yours. You know, could
they find their way in the first you could make
it a case for it. Will they find their way
in the second? Absolutely they will. I don't think either
one of those guys fall so third, I think it's
crazy to think that right now with where the quarterback
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market is and where teams are looking for. But you know,
these these top three where Jackson Dart is closing the
gap and getting closer close for that top ten type
of pick. You know, I see that's going to be
the choice for those clubs.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Awesome stuff, Mark, Mark, great stuff. Have yourself an incredible weekend.
We'll talk to you next week.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
Thanks for our guests, Thanks for having me on Buddy.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
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This is fun. This is honestly the next two days
I think are the best days in college basketball last
yesterday and into the next two days, cause you know,
(29:15):
more teams play more competitive games. That Oklahoma Kentucky game
at the end last night was amazing. WHOA. On the
other hand, that's just a It's just a hard one
to take, right Did you guys see the game? Anybody monster?
You see the game? Sammy? You see the game?
Speaker 2 (29:32):
I saw that the end of the game of the
Kentucky Oklahoma game. Yes, I did watch it. I was here.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
It was crazy. Uh Okay, So Kentucky was was up
big late. They were up like ten with like a
minute to go. It felt like was it yeah?
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Kind of felt like that yep.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Yeah, And it was also kind of late into the night.
It's one of the things with these tournaments are so
bloated now, it's like and the obviously they're trying for
evening tip times. But they led by ten with a
minute twenty to go, minute twenty to go, and Oklahoma
started pressing Kentucky, and Kentucky just started spitting the ball
up and otega Oway got the ball in bounds after
(30:17):
Oklahoma did in fact take a one point lead and
go length to the floor and score point five seconds ago.
But here's where it's maybe more interesting, or maybe more
of a sign of times in college basketball. Do you
know where otega Oway played college basketball last year?
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Oklahoma?
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Yes, his brother. I think his brother plays for the
Ravens still and oh way, I love Oway. He was
playing kind of a small ball four for the Sooners
last year, plays more of a guard this year for Kentucky.
He's terrific. But that's just weird, right, It's and I'll,
(30:54):
you know, be honest with you. We have we've had
people approach us because and I'm it's hard to get
to get a gauge on why right do you really
want to do you really like what we're doing? Maybe
you know our guys are our guys like playing for us.
You know, we're getting all the ones we want back,
(31:15):
but uh, but we have guys in our league reach
out to us, and it's just a weird thing, like, wait,
you're gonna play against a team that you played for
all last year and now, in fairness, Oklahoma wasn't in
the SEC last year. Mark Pope was also not in
the SEC. He was at BYU in the Big twelve.
(31:39):
So there's the hey, we saw you played last year
and once you get in the portal, it doesn't matter.
But I don't know of all the parts of it
that are little are icky.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
It's a little incestuous.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
That's a little incestuous, like wait, what so it's a
weird one. It was still a fun game and a
great finish, but weird. Let's start a football. Miles Garrett
is a star. I struggled with Miles Garrett because as
I think, I think we all we were all aware, right,
(32:16):
and he just he just signed back with the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Mason rudolph Is he's now in Oklham, state of lump.
He's a friend of mine. So Mason, who was a starter,
a backup, a starter, a backup in Pittsburgh and then
he he's kind of bounced around the league a little bit.
But remember when Mason was a quarterback of the Steelers.
(32:37):
When was the starting quarterback of the Steelers, he and
Miles Garrett got into it. I think it was a
Thursday night game, and Miles Garrett said he dropped an
end bomb and that's not No one else said they
heard it, and I know Mason, like, that's not who
he is, Like come on. So I struggled with the
Miles Garrett thing to begin with. So I'll admit carrying
(33:01):
an anti Miles Garrett bias because of that. But I
think when you when you hear what he said and
you look at the reality of it, you'll probably come
to a similar, if not the same conclusion. Miles Garrett,
of course, a couple of weeks ago, said he wanted
to be traded from the Cleveland Browns. Then he said
(33:21):
he wanted to meet with the owner of the Cleveland Browns.
Now he re signed with the biggest and at the time,
Samuel were on those shows, Ryan, you weren't, Bonce. I
don't remember because it was a little bit in and out.
But I said, this has nothing to do with anything
other than he wants a contract extension. He's coming into
the last year of his deal, so he re signs
(33:44):
with the biggest contract in the history of the NFL
to anyone who's not a quarterback. Here's what he said
at the press conference to day.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
I had some frustration, and you know, I feel like
that helped us grow and have conversations that were difficult
but I need to be had. And that created a
little bit more discourse, helped build some relationships and reinfirm them.
And now I feel like we're in a better place
and now we can we can move on and grow
(34:13):
from there. I think the fans will see that. You know,
my heart's in the right place. It's never been about money.
It's always been about winning, and that's where my frustration lies.
And you know, I want to think Nicole because you know,
she's the best aged in the world. And I didn't
have any really input on how the how the deal
was going to look, but I just you know, know
(34:33):
that and when the time came, and know we all
know we're on the same page, know that she she
went on and do what she does and got the
best deal possible for myself and for the Browns.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Yeah, I mean, none of that has anything to do
with winning. Right, you had frustrations, sure, okay, but if
you're really frustrated, you really wanted to win. And there's
no doubt that we'll see some of the details. And
I'm guessing that by resetting a contract, they pushed some
of the numbers down the road. So, hey, we freed
up some money for you to guys, go spend to
(35:04):
get more money. But the reality of it is that
don't tell me you want all this money and then
say yeah, it's all about winning and culture and what like.
No it's not. No, it's not no, it's not like
they're there. I no one will ever do this. But
(35:25):
at some point this is this is why Zach Grinkey.
Do you remember when Zach Grenky signed I think in
Arizona for like two hundred million dollars, right, and Zach
Crenky was the number one pick. He was Brewers and
then I can't remember if Arizona was next or if
the Dodgers were next, but he he came out and said,
(35:46):
if somebody wants to give me two hundred million dollars,
I'm gonna sign the deal. That's what I want right,
He just and that's what he did. That's what he did. Like,
don't tell us it's not about the money when it's
quite obviously about the money. You're better off. You're better
off saying, Hey, I like I'm last year in my contract.
(36:10):
I played my guts out for the Browns. I think
we're ultimately going to win, but I'm not doing it
with one year left of my deal. You know, I'd
rather go somewhere else. In order to stay. I need
to get paid. This is what I think I'm worth.
You know, some people will will disagree or say, you know,
(36:30):
there could be somebody who says what I said, which
is a winning is really important than being the highest
paid guy isn't important. But at least you were honest.
This strikes me as willfully dishonest, willfully dishonest. Play that
for me again real quick, Sam, if you would.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
I had some frustration, and you know, I feel like
that helped us grow and have conversations that were difficult
but I need to be had. And that created a
little bit more discourse, helped build some relationships and reinfirm
them and not feel like we're in a better place
and now we can we can move on and grow
(37:13):
from there. I think the fans will see that.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
Yeah, we had some relationship issues, and now we're better.
What's the relationship issue? You want to get paid more money?
Now we're better. You know this is the I want
a divorce? How about a diamond ring? I don't want
a divorce. I'm good. We had some relationship issues. They
were solved with a diamond ring, you know. Yeah, No,
(37:38):
you're going to have to do some therapy and some
groveling and all the other stuff. I don't. I don't
buy any of that at all. Sorry, I just don't,
and I do. I think I'll give you an example.
In our exit meetings with players, I have talked to
a couple of parents, and one of the parents I
(37:59):
spoke with was like, hey, you know, there's a lot
of things I liked about about your coaching of my kid,
but there was this, and there was that, and there
was this, and we talked for an hour and an
hour and four minutes. In the conversation, I said, hey,
you know, we've talked for an hour and four minutes.
I looked at my phone, and you talked about numbers
(38:23):
and roll and things you could have done and whatever.
You know. It wasn't one time that you said, if
you would have done this with my kid, we would
have won more games, right if you Does that make sense? Sam?
Does that make sense? Ryan? Right? Like? Never what? There
wasn't a word uttered about the only thing that actually matters,
(38:50):
actually matters, which is because what was told to me was, Hey,
if you would have done this, my kid's numbers would
have been better. If you would have done this, my
kid would have been in a better position to make
more money if he leaves your school. You know, right,
That's what was and probably not wrong in terms of numbers.
(39:11):
And I'm like the rare head coach that I'll go like, hey,
I'm not perfect. There are times when I played him
too much. There's time, but I probably didn't blame enough.
I own that. But but in an hour and four minutes,
there wasn't a word uttered about the only part that
actually matters, winning. And in all of Miles Garrett's talk
(39:40):
about you know, relationships or whatever, like, dude, what are
we doing if you really want to help us win?
Say hey, I want to help us win. I want
to scare my future. I went and instructed my agent, Hey,
I don't need the most money. I don't. I don't
need forty million dollars a year. Would I take it? Sure,
(40:03):
But if I take twenty, we got to make sure
the rest of it is going towards a quarterback, towards
the offensive line, towards other position players. Otherwise, just be
honest and go, look, man, this is probably my last
big contract. I don't really want to leave Cleveland. I
don't love the losing, but I can lose. I can't
lose and be playing and losing money. I'll lose, but
(40:27):
I'm gonna be getting paid. That's the reality of it.
And they also probably should have traded him. And if
they couldn't find the right value, that tells you what
the league thinks of what his value actually is.
Host
Doug Gottlieb
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