April 16, 2025 • 27 mins
Doug Gottlieb reacts to the first Play-In Games and explains why Trae Young may just be a star player that you can never win with. Doug breaks down how Colorado is treating Deion Sanders the way Donald Trump wants to be treated by the country. Plus, in this week's edition of The Midway, the whole crew give their "old men yelling at the clouds" sports takes!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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uh my guy, Ryan Berschinger's produc today. Of course, you
got Chris Perffett on the ones and twos and we're
(00:45):
rocking with you. Mark Medina will join us later on
this hour. We'll talk about the NBA playoffs. There's something
Donald trumpion to what's going on in Colorado with Dion Sanders.
I'll tell you what that is ian about fifteen minutes
before we get to any of that, let's get to
last night's games, where ho hum, the favorites one. They
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did so in mostly convincing fashion. You know, end of
the Warriors game got competitive, got closed, and of course
stopped me if you heard this before. But Steph Curry
hit a dagger three, and the Orlando Magic opened up
a can, especially in the fourth quarter on the Atlanta Hawks.
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They outscored the Hawks by nineteen points in the fourth
quarter and advanced to the playoffs as they beat the
Hawks who finished their season.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Was it.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Forty and forty three? I guess do you count that game?
Do you not that count that game? Whatever it is,
Orlando goes in as the seventh seed, right, and they'll
take on the Celtics. The actually split the season series
with the Celtics. Then there's something kind of weird to
the game where Trey Young got thrown out of the
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game and then held out to the basketball and didn't
want to let the ref have it. Remember, the Hawks
cut it to three with two thirty six to go
in the third quarter, only then fall apart in the
fourth quarter, and then of course they fell apart even
worse when Trey Young got thrown out. But again, this
is a hard one because if I'm honest, I'm a
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big Tray Young fan. His dad, Ray Young is a
friend of mine. His dad was a competitor of mine
when he was at Texas Tech as their league scorer
when we played him at Oklahoma State, and all we
could do is slow him down. We couldn't stop him.
And Trey Young the person. And this isn't just because
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I'm friends with his dad or I've run into him
or whatever. I know people who know people, and they're
all like, Trey Young's a really really good dude, like nice, kind, thoughtful, respectful,
like all of the things you want in a human being.
And his team is not perfect or not even close
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to being perfect. Right, think about what else they're throwing
out there with, you know, a highly touted rookie getting
to start. You got you, Dyson Daniels is starting back there,
and Yeka okong Wu starting out there with him. It's
not like they're throwing out you know, the Miami Heat team, which,
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oh yeah, by the way, suddenly now Lebron James, the
Miami Heat team is no longer a Big three. I'm
not sure if you guys have heard that one, that
that's a new one to me. But the point is
that I don't think he's surrounded by a great team.
He has been surrounded by better talent previously. But I
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think I can say this, which is I love Treyon.
The stats are incredible, the past thing is great. He's
a phenomenal shooter and an even better free throw shooter.
But I just think at some point you say he's
not a player that you can win big with consistently.
I know they got to an Eastern Conference finals a
couple of years ago, but you cannot take that one
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outlier as the normal expectations, whereas this is much more
in line of what your expectations are, and you can say, hey,
they took a step back this year because they traded
guys away, because they hit refreshed, Like maybe, but at
some point, and I think we're at that point where
you're the Hawks and you go, this guy's the most
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popular Hawk we've had, probably since Dominiquilkins, maybe even more
so than Dominiquilkins. He's an amazing talent, but kind of
like Dominique, can you actually win big with him? Can
he actually win big with him? It's like we'll say
this about Jalen Brunson. Can you win a title with
Jalen Brunson. Maybe not, but you can obviously consistently get
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into the playoffs and deeper in the playoffs with him
as your best player, Whereas it doesn't appear that that's
the case with Trey Yup. And I'm not gonna lie
to you and tell you that I watch enough of
the regular season to make a cognitive thought about Okay,
it's because of his defense, it's because of the turnovers,
which he only had two but seemed like more. Whatever
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it is, Trey Young played the most minutes forty, He
scored twenty eight points, he had six assists, he only
had two turnovers, and yet he had the biggest plus
minus of the starters is a minus twenty two. They
were twenty two points worse than the Orlando Magic when
he was in the game. Are Is that all the
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advanced stats and data you need. No, it is not
that his plus minus the only stat that matters. No,
it does not. No, it is not. But there has
been and will continue to be a trend that tell
tells you that year after year, the other pieces may
move around him, but for whatever reason in this year
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you could make. It's not an excuse, and it's an explanation.
Not great pieces around him. You can't win big with
him when it actually matters. Do I think it's to
the defense. Some do. I think he holds the ball
a little bit too long trying to make the assists passed.
Some do I think it's just his general build that
he's never going to be able to physically impose and
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dominate the game. Some a little bit remember, And do
I think the construction of the team is part of
the issue. Yes, I think that's some of it as well,
because if you watch, you know, everyone wants to compare
him to Steph Curry and some want to compare him
to a more offensive minded Steve Nash in terms of
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scoring the basketball, but that type of vision. But both
of those guys, I know, Nat Nash never won a title,
but both were surmounted by rosters that fit them. For Nash,
you had a small ball roster, but one made up
of athletes everywhere, right. Sean Marion played the four for them,
Amari Stottameira was the five that was a really really
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good wide open team. And for the Warriors, if you
watched last night, in the second game, step will bring
it up sometimes but often like he's more dangerous When
he doesn't have the ball, everybody has to be able
to handle and oftentimes he'll get an outlet pass, throw
it to somebody and then circle around and catch it back.
You have to play a specific style in order to
get the best out of Steph Curry, and maybe they
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haven't done that in Atlanta. Again full disclosure, I, along
with most of the world, don't watch Hawks basketball on
a regular basis. But I do think he's really good.
But it doesn't feel like he's a winning player. And
does that make if you're Atlanta wave the flag maybe,
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or maybe you just say, hey, he's super entertaining. People
are still coming. It's exciting. He puts up huge numbers.
Let's lean in, not lean out, and continue to try
and build a club around them. But man, they're going
nowhere fast, nowhere fast. This is the Doug Gottlieb Show.
(08:14):
We're live here at the Tyraq dot Com Studios. Okay,
coming up next, what if I told you that the
treatment of Colorado Buffalo football stars is akin to the
treatment of our present. We'll explain why next on The
(08:35):
Doug Gottlieb Show. Thanks for listening to The Doug Gotleb Show. Podcast.
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that they use in the White House. And it's one
of those things where, let's just be honest, it's the
most embarrassing thing we've ever seen. And I'll tell you
what's embarrassing. So there's a there's an expression they use
in the White House. It's a real thing. I know
because my friend worked for uh Donald President Trump in
the in the first in his first term in office,
(09:19):
that they say, you're either you're either at the table
or you're on the menu. You're either at the table
or you're on the menu. So when you watch these
people come in and just suck up to Donald Trump
and like you're handsome, you're slim, you're smart, you're amazing.
Let me tell you about how and you're like, wait,
(09:40):
what what is did they all take a pill?
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Like?
Speaker 1 (09:43):
What what is it? But it's the complete and utter
blind allegiance that is required in order to do business
with the president, and yeah, listen, I understand some of
you voted for Trump and you're like, hey, I'm I'm
all in on this thing. It's great, that's fine. You're
allowed to. You're it's your vote, You're allowed to. I'm
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also allowed to be a person who's honest and says like,
this is how it actually works. And you watch people
and you're like, wait, what's wrong with this guy? Mike
ge Again, even our vice president was harshly critical of
Donald Trump, and now he's like, you didn't even say
thank you. Have you said thank you to the president?
Speaker 4 (10:24):
Have you?
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Like it's crazy over the top. But he's not alone.
And by he, I mean Donald Trump is not alone.
I think that part is embarrassing. But I think it's
equally embarrassing. You know, lebron James, he wants complete and loyalty.
Nobody's allowed to actually say, hey, Bronnie has a lot
of work to do. Bronnie shouldn't have been on any
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NBA roster. Bronnie should have played every game with the
G League team, not just some and you know, started
to travel late in the year. And the same is
true for Dion Sanders. Have you seen this, They're gonna retire.
They're gonna tire. They're two stars from this past year
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Jersey number at their spring game. Nonetheless, Travis Hunter and
Shador Sanders. Now, look, the reality is that Travis Hunter
and Shador Sanders did bring a lot of great things
with them, all right. They have brought positive, mostly positive
attention to Colorado, as has Deon Sanders and Travis Hunter
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winning a Heischot Trophy is huge, and retiring his number
is not a crazy thing. Doing it right after he
gets done playing. When let's not act like they won
ten games and then you're retiring Shador's number. It seems
a little soon, right, It seems like, yeah, yeah, they
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just usually had something we do with like the ten year,
the fifteen, the twenty year anniversary, bring it back and
again part of it might be genius, is like, hey,
maybe this starts a new trend. Why are we waiting
so long to retire numbers so that we don't remember
the great times that those players who had their number
retired even played under And it's like often it's it's like,
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you know, my head coach, Eddie Sutton, he went into
the Hall of Fame after he passed away, like, wh
why did we He was a Hall of Famer fifteen
years ago? Why not put him in the Hall of fame.
So there may be a little genius to it, but
it feels more Trumpian in the if you'll Dion Sanders
re signed long term contractor remain in Colorado EI, there
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is zero point zero percent doubt.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
That.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
As part of the discussions for Dion coming back was Hey,
you guys need to retire Schudor's number A sap rocky
and that is like, wait, you're not coming back unless
you retire. We retire that number and get Look, Colorado
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is like we were terrible and now we're relevant. All
we gotta do is retire Shador's number, pay him ten
million dollars. We're gonna make a bunch of money elsewhere
if we have him done easy doesn't mean it's the
right thing to do again. Same thing with the presidents,
like does it matter not really? You still kind of
fight for the bills that you want and whatever, but
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he literally will cut you off and serve you for dinner.
He does it to Republicans, Democrats, people of other countries.
It doesn't matter if you don't kiss his his but
if you're not at the table, you're on the menu.
And he's not the only one doing it. Lebron's doing it,
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Dion's doing it. It is definitely a tread. But like
they they just got done, just got done playing football,
and they were good. They had a turnaround year after
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having a bad year the year before. But they didn't
win the Big Twelve, they didn't play in the Big
Twelve Championship. But they're good. But that's not exactly the
bar of retiring a number immediately after finishing on the
playing field. Thanks for listening to The Doug Gotlieb Show podcast.
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the day, it is the middle of the week. It
is the middle essentially of our show, right, and so
we like to do this every Wednesday, hump Day. What
(15:16):
what we call it the midway? It's not getting the middle,
it's time for the.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Midway.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Okay. So sometimes it starts to pertaining a sports. Sometimes
it does not totally understand Ryan Berschinger, would you like
to give out what today's topic guess?
Speaker 4 (15:46):
Please?
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (15:47):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (15:47):
So now we are in the start of the NBA playoffs,
I mean technically your own in the play in tournament here, uh,
with the playoffs kicking off, and I have always felt
this way about the NBA playoffs. It's too damn long.
Today is April sixteenth, two months from today, it's possible
we will still not have an NBA champion crowned. A
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Game seven of the NBA Finals this year would be
on June twenty second, So it's entirely possible. Yeah, that
the NBA Playoffs can last for over two months, one
sixth of a calendar year. That is so long. And
the playoffs have only gotten larger, right with the expansion
of the play in tournament. I've always felt that the
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first round should be five games at most. But of course,
once you open the door to playoff expansion, more games
and media rights deals and TV deals and ad revenue
and all that, you can never roll it back. So unfortunately,
this is just how the playoffs are always going to be.
But I've always been the old man shaking his fist
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to the cloud saying the NBA playoffs are too damn long,
and so this got me thinking, what the ring is
too damn high? I just don't like Now. Of course
it doesn't personally impact me. I don't really have any
sort of emotional investment in any sort of NBA team.
I just don't like how long the playoffs are. So today,
(17:13):
for the midway, we're talking about old man yelling at
the cloud, old man yelling you to yelling at you
to get off your lawn, get off of my lawn. Well,
these are these are old man takes that you have.
It can be about sports or anything beyond. So h yeah,
for me, one of them is definitely the NBA playoffs
are too damn long. And I'm never gonna feel differently
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about it, all right.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
I got one.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
Can I do it my old man boys?
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Please?
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Can we not have road teams where white uniforms For
gods sake.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
I turn on a TV.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Once I know how to these remote control thing about
jiggy works, and I see a team wearing light I
assume the game isn't there rita holding to find out?
Speaker 1 (17:58):
That's no longer the case.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
That's a good one.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
That sounds uh, that sounds strikingly similar to your Lou
Holtz voice. By the way, that's that new home that's
right better the other one.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Yeah, we actually, no dame. Okay, we didn't, no dame.
We were if football is dipping football, you were a
dark judge, get home. You were a light judgey down
the road. We never wear a white home jersey. No dame,
watch no dame, jany do you hear her? Wake up
the echoes. You don't even think that wet?
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
When I was when I would go watch coach Holts
this team play.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
You come to watch it? Do you I remember what
you were just sitting in the stands. Yeah, those are
not the same voices. Hello anyway, Yeah, it's just a
bone I had to pick, Like I don't When do
we get to this place to where we're like, yeah,
sure you wear wed in the road.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
All right, I got one the midway.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
First of all, this shop is too warm.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
All right.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
So my gripe is with the NFL continually trying to
get bigger in all departments in terms of number of
games during the regular season, expansion, and world domination. I
have for years said the most it should ever be
(19:19):
is eighteen regular season games with two by weeks and
two preseason games. But I wonder if we're going to
be sitting here in thirty years talking about a twenty
game NFL regular season, which I think would be way
to the point of diminishing returns. I also feel that
the NFL and NBA should give up this idea of
having teams part of the league in Europe or elsewhere,
(19:43):
because logistically, from a free agency standpoint, it's just never
going to work. I mean, I guess I can understand
the NFL having games in Europe, and this year they're
going to have another one in Brazil, and for all
I know they're gonna have a game on an iceberg
in Antarctica in twenty years, but they should kind of
taper down on world domination. They don't need to dominate
(20:06):
the rest of the world internationally more than they're doing now.
And they do not need to expand the regular season game,
certainly beyond eighteen. I will get off my soapbox.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
They're not going to be on eighteen, but they'll go
to eighteen.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
They will, just as long as they don't go past that.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Sure, sure, Okay, who else, Chris? What do you got?
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Sorry? I was digging around my bowl of Werther's originals
here as we set up for this to give to
your grandchildren. Yes, exactly, you know, delicious treats. What can
you say? I feel like it's finally hit me. There's
no other way around it. I thought maybe we get
a bit of sanity. I know it is a long shot.
(20:50):
Rule proposed that defensive holding stops being an automatic first down.
Maybe those new slide, but like defense is too penalized
in the National Football League, in all of football. Really
at this point, I didn't even feel this way back
when we had like, you know, Rams Chiefs with an
eighty Burger game in Mexico City way back. But now
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I've hit that point. I get tired when I'm seeing
all the flags thrown for a defensive player just barely
touching someone. I get tired of seeing a spot foul
for DPI. I'm tired of looking at a great fantastic play,
but oh wait, hold on, here's comes the flag. Everything
is tilted too much to the offense. You can have
cool plays from the defensive players too. I'm tired of
(21:34):
doing this. The scoring is too damn high. These guys
are running too damn far. Everyone's too afraid to touch
guys out there. Bring defense back, Bring hard nose football back.
I feel like it's like a bell curve of me
where it's like I like defense to like the middle
part where you got the nerdy guy going no, this
is perfectly fine. You have this, you know, beautiful game
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where everyone gets to pass and epa per play. And
now I'm back to serene monk like defense wins championships
and I want defense back in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Okay, I would say I have more again, this is more,
old man, get off my lawn stuff. Then the new
numbers in basketball and football.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Oh, I'm with you on good one. Yes, yes, I
fully agree.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
So just for people to understand that used to be
a rule in basketball, Yeah, all numbers had to be
five or less. And you know, because for the official
to go over to the table, they had to be
able to present your foul based upon your number with
one hand, got two two with the white with a hole.
Right now you can't do it. Now they've allowed every
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every single number, So like he got guys wearing like
ninety seven, Like what is that? And of course, then
of course football was like, we want numbers. We had
our number that we don't want positional numbers, and now
their numbers are ridiculous too.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Yeah, there's linebackers out there with number fourteen. It's like,
I don't I don't get that at all.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
I got fourteens, the mic. Fourteen's the MIC.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
I got so used to being able to identify position
groups by their numbers, and now it's just a mess.
And it is weird, like that's something that I grew
up with, and now seeing a receiver be like twenty
five or something like that, just it makes no sense.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
By the way, and I know it's been around for
a while too, but like zero as a Jersey number,
that just screams like, yeah, this guy's just trying to
be cool by claiming zero. Zero shouldn't be a Jersey number.
In any sport. I'm sorry that that should be. That
should be for the mascot.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
The mascot should have zero.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Yeah, the mascot should have zero or something, but like
actual players shouldn't have zero.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
I don't hate that as a rule. I don't hate
that as a rule. Uh yeah, I got I got
lots of them. Okay, here's an old man kind of
get off online thing is obviously everybody hates so when
we go to the when we go to the monitor
for review. But even worse is when a lot of
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times in football stadiums they won't show the review in
case they in case they, you know, make it against
the home team. She's just sitting out there waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, like,
let's go at least show me the replay, show me
the replay. I got the others.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
Yeah, you know. It kind of brings to mind your
comment about numbers, only in a totally different way. I
think that the NBA product has had a disservice done
to it by analytics. I think that analytics have transformed
the NBA as an entertainment product in a negative way.
(24:56):
From an x's and o's inside coaching and playing, winning
and losing st I don't have a problem with it,
but I think it's negatively affected the entertainment product of
NBA games. I think for the NFL it's either not
affected it or improved it. And I think in Major
League Baseball, I think it's also affected Major League Baseball negatively,
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though less negatively as the NBA. And I don't really
need to know all this launch angle eggs and velocity
stuff on telecasts. And I really sound like an old
man in a straw hat chewing peanuts on that one.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
And hack it up, but not.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
You know, I really hate I hate beers that are
fifteen dollars for a beer.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
I hate that, you know what I actually actually I
just thought of one when it lists and says five
fifteen for tip off or kickoff, good wine needs to
be actually kicking off at five point fifteen. I don't
want to sit through the the flyover with the B
two bombers. I don't want to sit through all the
teams coming out onto the onto the quarter or something. No, no,
(26:08):
you told I don't want to see you know, ESPN
or TNT Stiliur in the pregame show. You told me
five point fifteen. I'm sitting down at five point fifteen
to see the game.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
You know what, that's a great point because it comes
to mind, particularly on the West Coast guys, college football
night game kickoff times. Starting a college football game at
eight pm or even seven thirty pm local time without
with all the TV timeouts is complete insanity. But a
lot of times you have the kickoff time that you're
listed by default, it's always ten minutes later, and then
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if the previously nationally televised game goes long, the kickoff
has delayed at least another five minutes.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
I went there was twelve thirty kickoffs and have turned
meat leather at twelve thirty.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Just like with the Galloping Ghost Red.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Grange, it's actually a pretty good Smithers there.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Well done, Smithers.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
That Smithers excellence. I'm going to give you the beating
of your life.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
I lost a poker game to Jacob Rupert for the
ownership of the Yankees in nineteen nineteen.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Smithers.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
This is get some abes and some mixed in your tea.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
And that is Midway the Midway. It's the Gottlieb Show
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uh my guy, Ryan Berschinger's produc today. Of course, you
got Chris Perffett on the ones and twos and we're
(00:45):
rocking with you. Mark Medina will join us later on
this hour. We'll talk about the NBA playoffs. There's something
Donald trumpion to what's going on in Colorado with Dion Sanders.
I'll tell you what that is ian about fifteen minutes
before we get to any of that, let's get to
last night's games, where ho hum, the favorites one. They
(01:06):
did so in mostly convincing fashion. You know, end of
the Warriors game got competitive, got closed, and of course
stopped me if you heard this before. But Steph Curry
hit a dagger three, and the Orlando Magic opened up
a can, especially in the fourth quarter on the Atlanta Hawks.
(01:28):
They outscored the Hawks by nineteen points in the fourth
quarter and advanced to the playoffs as they beat the
Hawks who finished their season.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Was it.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Forty and forty three? I guess do you count that game?
Do you not that count that game? Whatever it is,
Orlando goes in as the seventh seed, right, and they'll
take on the Celtics. The actually split the season series
with the Celtics. Then there's something kind of weird to
the game where Trey Young got thrown out of the
(02:04):
game and then held out to the basketball and didn't
want to let the ref have it. Remember, the Hawks
cut it to three with two thirty six to go
in the third quarter, only then fall apart in the
fourth quarter, and then of course they fell apart even
worse when Trey Young got thrown out. But again, this
is a hard one because if I'm honest, I'm a
(02:31):
big Tray Young fan. His dad, Ray Young is a
friend of mine. His dad was a competitor of mine
when he was at Texas Tech as their league scorer
when we played him at Oklahoma State, and all we
could do is slow him down. We couldn't stop him.
And Trey Young the person. And this isn't just because
(02:51):
I'm friends with his dad or I've run into him
or whatever. I know people who know people, and they're
all like, Trey Young's a really really good dude, like nice, kind, thoughtful, respectful,
like all of the things you want in a human being.
And his team is not perfect or not even close
(03:12):
to being perfect. Right, think about what else they're throwing
out there with, you know, a highly touted rookie getting
to start. You got you, Dyson Daniels is starting back there,
and Yeka okong Wu starting out there with him. It's
not like they're throwing out you know, the Miami Heat team, which,
(03:33):
oh yeah, by the way, suddenly now Lebron James, the
Miami Heat team is no longer a Big three. I'm
not sure if you guys have heard that one, that
that's a new one to me. But the point is
that I don't think he's surrounded by a great team.
He has been surrounded by better talent previously. But I
(03:54):
think I can say this, which is I love Treyon.
The stats are incredible, the past thing is great. He's
a phenomenal shooter and an even better free throw shooter.
But I just think at some point you say he's
not a player that you can win big with consistently.
I know they got to an Eastern Conference finals a
couple of years ago, but you cannot take that one
(04:17):
outlier as the normal expectations, whereas this is much more
in line of what your expectations are, and you can say, hey,
they took a step back this year because they traded
guys away, because they hit refreshed, Like maybe, but at
some point, and I think we're at that point where
you're the Hawks and you go, this guy's the most
(04:38):
popular Hawk we've had, probably since Dominiquilkins, maybe even more
so than Dominiquilkins. He's an amazing talent, but kind of
like Dominique, can you actually win big with him? Can
he actually win big with him? It's like we'll say
this about Jalen Brunson. Can you win a title with
Jalen Brunson. Maybe not, but you can obviously consistently get
(05:01):
into the playoffs and deeper in the playoffs with him
as your best player, Whereas it doesn't appear that that's
the case with Trey Yup. And I'm not gonna lie
to you and tell you that I watch enough of
the regular season to make a cognitive thought about Okay,
it's because of his defense, it's because of the turnovers,
which he only had two but seemed like more. Whatever
(05:25):
it is, Trey Young played the most minutes forty, He
scored twenty eight points, he had six assists, he only
had two turnovers, and yet he had the biggest plus
minus of the starters is a minus twenty two. They
were twenty two points worse than the Orlando Magic when
he was in the game. Are Is that all the
(05:46):
advanced stats and data you need. No, it is not
that his plus minus the only stat that matters. No,
it does not. No, it is not. But there has
been and will continue to be a trend that tell
tells you that year after year, the other pieces may
move around him, but for whatever reason in this year
(06:09):
you could make. It's not an excuse, and it's an explanation.
Not great pieces around him. You can't win big with
him when it actually matters. Do I think it's to
the defense. Some do. I think he holds the ball
a little bit too long trying to make the assists passed.
Some do I think it's just his general build that
he's never going to be able to physically impose and
(06:30):
dominate the game. Some a little bit remember, And do
I think the construction of the team is part of
the issue. Yes, I think that's some of it as well,
because if you watch, you know, everyone wants to compare
him to Steph Curry and some want to compare him
to a more offensive minded Steve Nash in terms of
(06:51):
scoring the basketball, but that type of vision. But both
of those guys, I know, Nat Nash never won a title,
but both were surmounted by rosters that fit them. For Nash,
you had a small ball roster, but one made up
of athletes everywhere, right. Sean Marion played the four for them,
Amari Stottameira was the five that was a really really
(07:12):
good wide open team. And for the Warriors, if you
watched last night, in the second game, step will bring
it up sometimes but often like he's more dangerous When
he doesn't have the ball, everybody has to be able
to handle and oftentimes he'll get an outlet pass, throw
it to somebody and then circle around and catch it back.
You have to play a specific style in order to
get the best out of Steph Curry, and maybe they
(07:33):
haven't done that in Atlanta. Again full disclosure, I, along
with most of the world, don't watch Hawks basketball on
a regular basis. But I do think he's really good.
But it doesn't feel like he's a winning player. And
does that make if you're Atlanta wave the flag maybe,
(07:54):
or maybe you just say, hey, he's super entertaining. People
are still coming. It's exciting. He puts up huge numbers.
Let's lean in, not lean out, and continue to try
and build a club around them. But man, they're going
nowhere fast, nowhere fast. This is the Doug Gottlieb Show.
(08:14):
We're live here at the Tyraq dot Com Studios. Okay,
coming up next, what if I told you that the
treatment of Colorado Buffalo football stars is akin to the
treatment of our present. We'll explain why next on The
(08:35):
Doug Gottlieb Show. Thanks for listening to The Doug Gotleb Show. Podcast.
Be sure to catch us live every weekday three to
five Eastern twelve two Pacific on Foxsports Radio. Find your
local station for the Doug Gottlieb Show at Foxsports Radio
dot com, or stream us live every day on the
iHeartRadio app by searching FSR. I'll give you an expression
(08:55):
that they use in the White House. And it's one
of those things where, let's just be honest, it's the
most embarrassing thing we've ever seen. And I'll tell you
what's embarrassing. So there's a there's an expression they use
in the White House. It's a real thing. I know
because my friend worked for uh Donald President Trump in
the in the first in his first term in office,
(09:19):
that they say, you're either you're either at the table
or you're on the menu. You're either at the table
or you're on the menu. So when you watch these
people come in and just suck up to Donald Trump
and like you're handsome, you're slim, you're smart, you're amazing.
Let me tell you about how and you're like, wait,
(09:40):
what what is did they all take a pill?
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Like?
Speaker 1 (09:43):
What what is it? But it's the complete and utter
blind allegiance that is required in order to do business
with the president, and yeah, listen, I understand some of
you voted for Trump and you're like, hey, I'm I'm
all in on this thing. It's great, that's fine. You're
allowed to. You're it's your vote, You're allowed to. I'm
(10:03):
also allowed to be a person who's honest and says like,
this is how it actually works. And you watch people
and you're like, wait, what's wrong with this guy? Mike
ge Again, even our vice president was harshly critical of
Donald Trump, and now he's like, you didn't even say
thank you. Have you said thank you to the president?
Speaker 4 (10:24):
Have you?
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Like it's crazy over the top. But he's not alone.
And by he, I mean Donald Trump is not alone.
I think that part is embarrassing. But I think it's
equally embarrassing. You know, lebron James, he wants complete and loyalty.
Nobody's allowed to actually say, hey, Bronnie has a lot
of work to do. Bronnie shouldn't have been on any
(10:46):
NBA roster. Bronnie should have played every game with the
G League team, not just some and you know, started
to travel late in the year. And the same is
true for Dion Sanders. Have you seen this, They're gonna retire.
They're gonna tire. They're two stars from this past year
(11:08):
Jersey number at their spring game. Nonetheless, Travis Hunter and
Shador Sanders. Now, look, the reality is that Travis Hunter
and Shador Sanders did bring a lot of great things
with them, all right. They have brought positive, mostly positive
attention to Colorado, as has Deon Sanders and Travis Hunter
(11:33):
winning a Heischot Trophy is huge, and retiring his number
is not a crazy thing. Doing it right after he
gets done playing. When let's not act like they won
ten games and then you're retiring Shador's number. It seems
a little soon, right, It seems like, yeah, yeah, they
(11:54):
just usually had something we do with like the ten year,
the fifteen, the twenty year anniversary, bring it back and
again part of it might be genius, is like, hey,
maybe this starts a new trend. Why are we waiting
so long to retire numbers so that we don't remember
the great times that those players who had their number
retired even played under And it's like often it's it's like,
(12:19):
you know, my head coach, Eddie Sutton, he went into
the Hall of Fame after he passed away, like, wh
why did we He was a Hall of Famer fifteen
years ago? Why not put him in the Hall of fame.
So there may be a little genius to it, but
it feels more Trumpian in the if you'll Dion Sanders
re signed long term contractor remain in Colorado EI, there
(12:40):
is zero point zero percent doubt.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
That.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
As part of the discussions for Dion coming back was Hey,
you guys need to retire Schudor's number A sap rocky
and that is like, wait, you're not coming back unless
you retire. We retire that number and get Look, Colorado
(13:07):
is like we were terrible and now we're relevant. All
we gotta do is retire Shador's number, pay him ten
million dollars. We're gonna make a bunch of money elsewhere
if we have him done easy doesn't mean it's the
right thing to do again. Same thing with the presidents,
like does it matter not really? You still kind of
fight for the bills that you want and whatever, but
(13:30):
he literally will cut you off and serve you for dinner.
He does it to Republicans, Democrats, people of other countries.
It doesn't matter if you don't kiss his his but
if you're not at the table, you're on the menu.
And he's not the only one doing it. Lebron's doing it,
(13:51):
Dion's doing it. It is definitely a tread. But like
they they just got done, just got done playing football,
and they were good. They had a turnaround year after
(14:11):
having a bad year the year before. But they didn't
win the Big Twelve, they didn't play in the Big
Twelve Championship. But they're good. But that's not exactly the
bar of retiring a number immediately after finishing on the
playing field. Thanks for listening to The Doug Gotlieb Show podcast.
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The way tire buying should be Hey, what up? Welcome
in Hope, You're doing great. It is the middle of
the day, it is the middle of the week. It
is the middle essentially of our show, right, and so
we like to do this every Wednesday, hump Day. What
(15:16):
what we call it the midway? It's not getting the middle,
it's time for the.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Midway.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Okay. So sometimes it starts to pertaining a sports. Sometimes
it does not totally understand Ryan Berschinger, would you like
to give out what today's topic guess?
Speaker 4 (15:46):
Please?
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (15:47):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (15:47):
So now we are in the start of the NBA playoffs,
I mean technically your own in the play in tournament here, uh,
with the playoffs kicking off, and I have always felt
this way about the NBA playoffs. It's too damn long.
Today is April sixteenth, two months from today, it's possible
we will still not have an NBA champion crowned. A
(16:11):
Game seven of the NBA Finals this year would be
on June twenty second, So it's entirely possible. Yeah, that
the NBA Playoffs can last for over two months, one
sixth of a calendar year. That is so long. And
the playoffs have only gotten larger, right with the expansion
of the play in tournament. I've always felt that the
(16:31):
first round should be five games at most. But of course,
once you open the door to playoff expansion, more games
and media rights deals and TV deals and ad revenue
and all that, you can never roll it back. So unfortunately,
this is just how the playoffs are always going to be.
But I've always been the old man shaking his fist
(16:52):
to the cloud saying the NBA playoffs are too damn long,
and so this got me thinking, what the ring is
too damn high? I just don't like Now. Of course
it doesn't personally impact me. I don't really have any
sort of emotional investment in any sort of NBA team.
I just don't like how long the playoffs are. So today,
(17:13):
for the midway, we're talking about old man yelling at
the cloud, old man yelling you to yelling at you
to get off your lawn, get off of my lawn. Well,
these are these are old man takes that you have.
It can be about sports or anything beyond. So h yeah,
for me, one of them is definitely the NBA playoffs
are too damn long. And I'm never gonna feel differently
(17:34):
about it, all right.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
I got one.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
Can I do it my old man boys?
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Please?
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Can we not have road teams where white uniforms For
gods sake.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
I turn on a TV.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Once I know how to these remote control thing about
jiggy works, and I see a team wearing light I
assume the game isn't there rita holding to find out?
Speaker 1 (17:58):
That's no longer the case.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
That's a good one.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
That sounds uh, that sounds strikingly similar to your Lou
Holtz voice. By the way, that's that new home that's
right better the other one.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Yeah, we actually, no dame. Okay, we didn't, no dame.
We were if football is dipping football, you were a
dark judge, get home. You were a light judgey down
the road. We never wear a white home jersey. No dame,
watch no dame, jany do you hear her? Wake up
the echoes. You don't even think that wet?
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
When I was when I would go watch coach Holts
this team play.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
You come to watch it? Do you I remember what
you were just sitting in the stands. Yeah, those are
not the same voices. Hello anyway, Yeah, it's just a
bone I had to pick, Like I don't When do
we get to this place to where we're like, yeah,
sure you wear wed in the road.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
All right, I got one the midway.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
First of all, this shop is too warm.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
All right.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
So my gripe is with the NFL continually trying to
get bigger in all departments in terms of number of
games during the regular season, expansion, and world domination. I
have for years said the most it should ever be
(19:19):
is eighteen regular season games with two by weeks and
two preseason games. But I wonder if we're going to
be sitting here in thirty years talking about a twenty
game NFL regular season, which I think would be way
to the point of diminishing returns. I also feel that
the NFL and NBA should give up this idea of
having teams part of the league in Europe or elsewhere,
(19:43):
because logistically, from a free agency standpoint, it's just never
going to work. I mean, I guess I can understand
the NFL having games in Europe, and this year they're
going to have another one in Brazil, and for all
I know they're gonna have a game on an iceberg
in Antarctica in twenty years, but they should kind of
taper down on world domination. They don't need to dominate
(20:06):
the rest of the world internationally more than they're doing now.
And they do not need to expand the regular season game,
certainly beyond eighteen. I will get off my soapbox.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
They're not going to be on eighteen, but they'll go
to eighteen.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
They will, just as long as they don't go past that.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Sure, sure, Okay, who else, Chris? What do you got?
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Sorry? I was digging around my bowl of Werther's originals
here as we set up for this to give to
your grandchildren. Yes, exactly, you know, delicious treats. What can
you say? I feel like it's finally hit me. There's
no other way around it. I thought maybe we get
a bit of sanity. I know it is a long shot.
(20:50):
Rule proposed that defensive holding stops being an automatic first down.
Maybe those new slide, but like defense is too penalized
in the National Football League, in all of football. Really
at this point, I didn't even feel this way back
when we had like, you know, Rams Chiefs with an
eighty Burger game in Mexico City way back. But now
(21:12):
I've hit that point. I get tired when I'm seeing
all the flags thrown for a defensive player just barely
touching someone. I get tired of seeing a spot foul
for DPI. I'm tired of looking at a great fantastic play,
but oh wait, hold on, here's comes the flag. Everything
is tilted too much to the offense. You can have
cool plays from the defensive players too. I'm tired of
(21:34):
doing this. The scoring is too damn high. These guys
are running too damn far. Everyone's too afraid to touch
guys out there. Bring defense back, Bring hard nose football back.
I feel like it's like a bell curve of me
where it's like I like defense to like the middle
part where you got the nerdy guy going no, this
is perfectly fine. You have this, you know, beautiful game
(21:54):
where everyone gets to pass and epa per play. And
now I'm back to serene monk like defense wins championships
and I want defense back in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Okay, I would say I have more again, this is more,
old man, get off my lawn stuff. Then the new
numbers in basketball and football.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Oh, I'm with you on good one. Yes, yes, I
fully agree.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
So just for people to understand that used to be
a rule in basketball, Yeah, all numbers had to be
five or less. And you know, because for the official
to go over to the table, they had to be
able to present your foul based upon your number with
one hand, got two two with the white with a hole.
Right now you can't do it. Now they've allowed every
(22:50):
every single number, So like he got guys wearing like
ninety seven, Like what is that? And of course, then
of course football was like, we want numbers. We had
our number that we don't want positional numbers, and now
their numbers are ridiculous too.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Yeah, there's linebackers out there with number fourteen. It's like,
I don't I don't get that at all.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
I got fourteens, the mic. Fourteen's the MIC.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
I got so used to being able to identify position
groups by their numbers, and now it's just a mess.
And it is weird, like that's something that I grew
up with, and now seeing a receiver be like twenty
five or something like that, just it makes no sense.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
By the way, and I know it's been around for
a while too, but like zero as a Jersey number,
that just screams like, yeah, this guy's just trying to
be cool by claiming zero. Zero shouldn't be a Jersey number.
In any sport. I'm sorry that that should be. That
should be for the mascot.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
The mascot should have zero.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Yeah, the mascot should have zero or something, but like
actual players shouldn't have zero.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
I don't hate that as a rule. I don't hate
that as a rule. Uh yeah, I got I got
lots of them. Okay, here's an old man kind of
get off online thing is obviously everybody hates so when
we go to the when we go to the monitor
for review. But even worse is when a lot of
(24:12):
times in football stadiums they won't show the review in
case they in case they, you know, make it against
the home team. She's just sitting out there waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, like,
let's go at least show me the replay, show me
the replay. I got the others.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
Yeah, you know. It kind of brings to mind your
comment about numbers, only in a totally different way. I
think that the NBA product has had a disservice done
to it by analytics. I think that analytics have transformed
the NBA as an entertainment product in a negative way.
(24:56):
From an x's and o's inside coaching and playing, winning
and losing st I don't have a problem with it,
but I think it's negatively affected the entertainment product of
NBA games. I think for the NFL it's either not
affected it or improved it. And I think in Major
League Baseball, I think it's also affected Major League Baseball negatively,
(25:21):
though less negatively as the NBA. And I don't really
need to know all this launch angle eggs and velocity
stuff on telecasts. And I really sound like an old
man in a straw hat chewing peanuts on that one.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
And hack it up, but not.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
You know, I really hate I hate beers that are
fifteen dollars for a beer.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
I hate that, you know what I actually actually I
just thought of one when it lists and says five
fifteen for tip off or kickoff, good wine needs to
be actually kicking off at five point fifteen. I don't
want to sit through the the flyover with the B
two bombers. I don't want to sit through all the
teams coming out onto the onto the quarter or something. No, no,
(26:08):
you told I don't want to see you know, ESPN
or TNT Stiliur in the pregame show. You told me
five point fifteen. I'm sitting down at five point fifteen
to see the game.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
You know what, that's a great point because it comes
to mind, particularly on the West Coast guys, college football
night game kickoff times. Starting a college football game at
eight pm or even seven thirty pm local time without
with all the TV timeouts is complete insanity. But a
lot of times you have the kickoff time that you're
listed by default, it's always ten minutes later, and then
(26:41):
if the previously nationally televised game goes long, the kickoff
has delayed at least another five minutes.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
I went there was twelve thirty kickoffs and have turned
meat leather at twelve thirty.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Just like with the Galloping Ghost Red.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Grange, it's actually a pretty good Smithers there.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Well done, Smithers.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
That Smithers excellence. I'm going to give you the beating
of your life.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
I lost a poker game to Jacob Rupert for the
ownership of the Yankees in nineteen nineteen.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Smithers.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
This is get some abes and some mixed in your tea.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
And that is Midway the Midway. It's the Gottlieb Show
here on Fox Sports Radio.
Host
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