April 18, 2025 • 41 mins
On a Friday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug talks about the play-in games scheduled for Friday night to determine the 8th seed in each conference, and explains why the Play-In tourney was an ok idea that just hasn't been successful.
Doug explains why he has an issue with a take by Jay Bilas about player empowerment in college athletics. Doug sums up the rivalry between Stephen A Smith and the owner of the Suns this week.
Doug welcomes former Bucs' GM Mark Dominik onto the show to talk about the NFL Draft, Aaron Rodgers and all of the other major headlines around the NFL.
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Speaker 2 (00:43):
Um.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
I get what the idea behind it was, but man,
the execution leaves a lot to be desired. Right Tonight
is the final of the play in tournament or play
in games in the NBA, so I fully get what
the idea of it was. Right. More teams engage in
(01:06):
the playoffs, which means less tanking games where you know
if you win, you move on, you lose, you go home.
Because everybody wants the excitement of that moment of the
NCAA tournament. Let's just kind of be honest. Everybody's kind
of searching for how do we recreate what march madness has.
(01:27):
So I get the I fully and completely get the
idea of the play in tournament. And it's one of
those things where when you put it on a board
and you know you're doing a brainstorming session and you
ask somebody to flush it out. Now, hey, I like it,
no bad ideas, flush it out. Okay, So here's the deal.
(01:47):
Instead of one through eight, you know, seven, eight, nine, ten,
they all play and the seven and eight seed, well
they have to lose twice only win once in order
to advance. And like, here's how we kind of talk about. Hey,
but what do you think? And it looks really good
up on a board, like, yeah, hey, that makes sense.
(02:09):
You know. Now you have ten teams essentially in some
sort of playoffs, and then maybe two more teams that
fall just short of that play in tournament that want
to get in the playoffs. That's four more teams that
are going to be in or competing for a playoff
berth or a play in birth. The likehood is on
a yearly average, four more teams are more engaged for
(02:32):
the entirety of the season, and then we have this
handful of games where we create inventory and oh yeah,
by the way, we give the best teams extra rest,
and then we go and play like again on paper
or on a whiteboard. Sounds like a great idea, but
I'm just asking you, honestly. I'm asking you honestly. Is
(02:57):
there any sort of energy towards any of these teams
playing that you're like, I can't wait to watch And
I am your P one fan, And I talked to
lots of my now, being obviously a Division one men's
head college coach, I talked to a lot of college
coaches like I have zero remaining on the bandwidth right
(03:17):
now for the NBA, but I do love NBA playoff basketball.
This is just not playoff basketball.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Now.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Miami's playing Atlanta. I think this is going to be
the last. If Atlanta loses, this is the last time
Trey Young wears a Hawk's jersey. It's my guess right,
He's up for one of those massive, massive extensions this summer.
And if they lose tonight to Miami at home, Miami,
(03:46):
who dominated Chicago on the road, going back two nights ago.
If they lose at home, I'm guessing I have no
knowledge of it, but I'm guessing they tell Trey Young, hey,
do we love you, We're just not signing it. One
of those max extensions where Trey Young's agent be like, yeah,
we're not in the future plans, let's find a new home.
(04:08):
So you have Trey Young, one of the most popular
Atlanta Hawk ever taking on the Miami Heat. You have
Memphis and one of the most popular players going back
a couple of years ago. Obviously his popularity is Wanne
with some of his gun nonsense in John morand Anthony Davis,
who has been one healthy as dominant as Nico Harrison
(04:32):
would hope he could be. And the Mavericks were in
the NBA Finals last year. Granted you don't have Kyrie,
obviously you don't have Luca, so they're a very different team.
But Ken, did did you even know that Dallas played
Memphis until I mentioned it? Did you even know that
Miami played Atlanta? Do you even care? And so my
point is not that the NBA playoff tournament totally missed
(04:57):
the mark. It didn't right, it kept more team engaged.
It does give us a win or go home sort
of a couple of games, and it does give them more inventory,
and more inventory means more money because now when you
have now Peacock coming to the fold, you have ESPN,
obviously you have NBC next year, you have more games
to sell, more games to sell, more money, to make
(05:18):
more money, to make more might have spent a round.
Everybody's happier, but I mean I will. I woke up
this morning going like, is it not the playoffs yet?
Can we just get this thing started? Byer? What do
you think, Bud?
Speaker 3 (05:35):
I actually think that there's a group of fans that
probably don't even care about the first round outside of
maybe the Lakers Timberwolve series and maybe the Warriors Rockets series.
New York in the Knicks will probably be loving the
Garden and the Piston series, and Detroit excited they're back
in it. But I even think that the first round
(05:56):
sometimes leaves a lot to be desired for the for
the NBA and the NBA playoffs, because for the winners tonight,
we think that they're probably just going to get beaten
by the one seed again, even though it's not happened
every time in history, we've seen some upsets. But I
will say this, Doug, in how you started out in
(06:16):
laying out, I completely agree that it gives you that
NCAA tournament feel, but I don't think that it is
stop teams from tanking. And because we still had ten
really bad teams in the NBA this year, so that
hasn't changed. But what I think it has done is
(06:37):
it's changed the middle of the conferences, and I think
that is very important where you do actually have teams
with some value, whether at six, seven or eight or nine.
In the West this year it was crazy, we're now
down the stretch, and what was happening on the final
day of the NBA regular season did have a lot
of ramifications, so much so that Golden State ended up
(06:57):
losing their game on Sunday and fell into the play
in tournament. I think that's something that teams were trying
to avoid. So I do think that the NBA with
the play in tournament made that seven eight range, seven eight,
nine range valuable because you're trying to get up to
the sixth spot, You're trying to get one of those
top six seeds, and in a domino effect of that
(07:18):
is four five, six now become important because they don't
want to fall into seven, eight, nine to ten. And
it may not be the magical brew of all of it,
but I do think that they have changed the way
we look at the middle of the NBA. And the
prime example is we used to look at the decision
to be the eight seed or get a chance of
the lottery as a real dilemma, right, even if it
(07:42):
was a zero point five percent chance. We're saying, well,
why would you want to be the eighth seed when
you're gonna get run by the top seed? You could
get a five percent chance to be in the lottery.
And I think that that has kind of gone by
the wayside because of what they've done with this play
in tournament.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Are you any more engaged in what's going on in
the playoffs because of this?
Speaker 4 (08:07):
No?
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Yeah, I just I wait for the I really wait
for like the first round to get started, maybe a
few games in before I'm paying attention. Yeah, And that's
my point about the first rounds. I don't even think
people care about the first round so hard.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
They don't. They don't. But again, I think we're actually
in agreement over Hey, we both truly believe that there
is good intentions there. There are things that they're trying
to do here. I just don't think. I don't want
to say the bad overweighs the good, but the the
part that no one cares overwhelms the good parts to it,
(08:47):
like literally, it's I mean, in many ways mirrors the
first four. We love the first four, but the first
four ratings like pale in comparison to the rest of
the NCAA tournament. Part of it is it's played on
true TV, so on Tuesday and Wednesday. It's not on
your normal bracket or whatever. But this is very similar
like it is. You're right, Dan, It hasn't stopped the
(09:08):
bottom teams from tanking, but it's kept a couple more
teams engaged. And some of it is more perception than reality.
They want to give the perception that more teams are
involved in close to the playoffs. Hey, there's a reason
to come to those regular season games. But again, when
you look at the net net, you're like, is this
really helping the game?
Speaker 3 (09:28):
I don't think that the win is tonight, Like Tonight's
not the night they cash in the chips. The win
was at the end of the regular season with these
teams jockeying for position and trying to get in a
spot where they weren't in the play in tournament. Sure,
and I think that that's where the win is. The
win is in late March to early April to position yourself.
(09:51):
And again for the West, when you had had the
Lakers being fifty and thirty two as the three seed
and the Riley's being forty eight and thirty four, a
two game difference in being the eight seed and having
to play tonight just to play in the tournament. I
think what we saw over the stretch run of the
NBA regular season was the reason. Heck, look at the Clippers,
(10:14):
what an eight game win streak. They were sitting there,
hovering in the play in tournament. Now they're sitting there
as the five seed. So I think that's where it's
added value, and not maybe not in tonight's game, because
it's because of what is I mean, it is only
the eight seed, and again we think they're gonna get run.
And I would also say that even if it was
a first round series, we probably wouldn't care as much,
(10:35):
and that's Sam's point. But I do think that what
it has done is it's made the stretch run of
the regular season much more important than just all right,
let's just rest up and turn it on in the playoffs.
I don't think that you can do that anymore.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
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Speaker 2 (11:04):
I don't think it's great content, and I reject the
motivations behind it. I think Dan brings up the point
that this was kind of done to deter the tanking.
We also earlier in the week have Adam Silver's original
explanation that it was also done to keep teams and
by definition teams players engaged throughout more of the season.
(11:30):
So if you're doing math here now, you have the
NBA Cup that was installed in December to keep players interest,
you have the All Star Game that has been tweaked
three or four times in the last three years because
you want to keep players interested, and then you install
this play in tournament to keep players in it. And
(11:51):
to me, that is an indictment on the league that
you're running. If you need to place in these gimmicks
to keep people interested. I completely reject the premise onto itself.
One point that you made earlier in the in the
UH in your take, Doug, when you have the meetings
and somebody says there's no such thing as bad ideas,
(12:13):
I'm gonna fight that one. There are such things as
bad ideas. What about if you're trying to empower, like
I don't know, a group of co workers, and you
let the guy in the room that does have bad ideas,
and then you get sidetracked by his bad idea and
then it overtakes the meeting and then it becomes completely counterproductive.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
It's it's awful. It's the worst I've actually had. I
obviously had that. It's it's terrible. Go ahead.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
I'm no, I was just gonna say that. I think
that Jason's point is is brilliant in terms of of
again what this is, and it's it's a stepping out
of seeing the forest through the trees is I don't
know if Adam Silver is doing that, but he's dead
on on. We're catering everything towards trying to make things
(13:09):
more interesting, and at what point do you just have
to kind of put it on the you know, on
the shoulders of of the players, or of of just
accepting what you're what the product is. And it's not
meantal water to say that the the NBA is is
awful and that the NBA is bad.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
No, but like, why do you have to if it's
if it's already entertaining, why do you have to try
and make it more en It's just so artificially.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
So absolutely, and it's it's like every time I go
to the store, I can't give my kid a present
because you know, you know, like I'm not going to
give him a gift if he's crying because we went
to the store and he didn't get anything. And I
feel like almost to that point of what Jason is
saying is yeah, now this is the this is the
(13:55):
third thing in the wording of what Adam Silver has
said of trying to keep things interesting and trying to
keep players engaged, which, by the way, to my point
of the four through the ten or the eleven, however
you want to look at it, I think that it
has I think that players didn't want to play in
the play in tournament, or teams didn't want to play
in the playing tournament, so you try to turn it
(14:15):
on to get in that top six. I feel that's
been accomplished. But the bigger picture that Jason brings up
is now, this is the third thing and the third
segment of your season that you're trying to change, and
yet they want to tell us that everything is fine
with the game and that we're the ones that are
complaining and there's something wrong with us because we're complaining
about the product.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Fair enough, thos are really really good points.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
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You know what, We're gonna do something a second about
Matt Ishpia and Steven A. Smith. But I have to
(15:10):
use my platform for good and also for making sure
that the truth is told. And this is just really
important to me. So I've heard j Billis say time
and again he's so about player empowerment, and again I
(15:31):
like and respect Jay. We're actually friends. His wife Wendy
is awesome, and Jay's a good dude. Just on this
particular brand of topics, he is so free market wrong.
It's stupid, it really is. And for a smart guy,
(15:52):
he's the type of guy who's created this system of anarchy,
and he's got to be kind of like the Joker
in Batman, loving watching everything burn to the ground, but
at what cost. And the biggest newest one is not
just overpaying players, it's over his insistence that the coaches
(16:16):
what does he always say? The coaches portal was always open.
I knew this beforehand. I knew this beforehand, but I
know it even more now. Jay Billis has no idea
what he's talking about. It's one of those things where
(16:37):
it's so offensively wrong that even as somebody who respects
his other opinions, I struggle to listen to his other
opinions because this one is so wrong. And I can
only relate it to teachers versus students. If you're a teacher,
or you've been married to a teacher, your parent was
a teacher, and people compare students, students and teachers in
(17:01):
terms of their rights, and anyone who thinks they're anywhere
close is an idiot hasn't walked in their shoes, doesn't
understand a teacher has very much earned their way to
their spot. You may not think the best things of
these teachers, okay, but they've gone to school, they've gotten
their teaching credential, they paid the sacrifice, they've climbed the ladder,
and maybe they have tenure. But they have tenure because
(17:22):
they have been teaching long enough. It doesn't make them perfect,
but it has earned them a special level of respect.
And their jobs and their decisions are not anywhere close
to that in terms of the students are so insignificant
in proportion. And look, I'm just gonna tell you what
(17:44):
Jay Billis continues to tell people is one hundred percent wrong.
It is one hundred percent offensive to anybody who is
a coach, let alone a head college basketball coach. Yeah,
I have a radio job. That's three hours of my
dayrobably put it in four and a half when you
get to prep, which consists of getting up in the morning,
(18:04):
reading and watching and talking and whatever. Okay, but if
you think that there's any sort of equation to the
what is it? Probably ten coaches that have switched jobs
to take other jobs. Maybe I'll give you twenty. Maybe
I don't think it's twenty. I haven't done the math
because most of them are moving because they're replacing as
(18:25):
somebody who's fired. Okay, well, let's say it's twenty who
leave a job, not a Power five job, but oftentimes
they leave them a major job, to a Power five job,
or to another major job. Whatever. Let's say there's twenty
out of three hundred and sixty four, as opposed to
in college basketball, in the portal, more than half the
kids are in the portal. But for a college player,
(18:45):
what they're responsible for is themselves. And when I have
players coming to my office before and after the show
or we're talking about things, I tell them all the time,
I do not want this job, right because I have
to do pretty much all the things that they have
to do. You know, yes, they had to prepare for practice.
(19:07):
I had to prepare for practice. They had to prepare
for games. I have to prepare for games. Right, they
had to prepare their bodies. More, I had to prepare
them so they can see all that. And then that's
just a fraction of the you know, what did you
do yesterday, Doug Well, I got up in the morning
and I had coffee with some gentlemen from the biggest
(19:29):
Native American tribe that's close to Green Bay or close
to Wisconsin Green Bay our school, because we're trying to
do a night where we honor Native Americans and play
the top Native American university playing college basketball in either
a real or exhibition game. Because our school was actually
(19:49):
built on First Nation's property. Right, So we're doing that.
And by the way, one raise money, raise money, raise awareness,
do all those things. Then you go and you talk
all in recruits, you go see your own team, you
run your workouts, then you get in the car, then
you go to your radio show, then you go do
an in heme meeting with like it never stops, nor
should it. And I'm not complaining about the job. What
(20:11):
I'm complaining about is somebody who has never actually coached. Right,
Jay was a grad student when he was at Duke Case.
You're a grad student. Obviously you can't fully coach. But
in any way equating the importance and by the way,
the lack of movement with college basketball coaches, with the
massive movement in college basketball players, or even any of
this mess. That's college football. It's offensive, it's wrong, and
(20:32):
it really waters down the rest of his opinions, which
are really really good. And he's calling his first NBA
playoff games this year as well. Like I got to
hire people, I gotta fire people. I got to find
scholarships for guys, some players, I gotta say, hey, if
you want to play, this is probably not the place.
I got to manage my own staff. I got to
(20:53):
manage our guys academically off the court. Got to pay
it like it's a lot, and to equate them in
any way to players is offense. If it's wrong, I'd
encourage Jay to stop, because most people in the industry
are just they're past rolling their eyes. But if not,
it starts to it starts to nullify some of his
(21:16):
other opinions, which are probably closer or are accurate. But
this one's so far afield. It's just it feels like
it's a hill he wants to die on. He wants
complete capitalism, and again, we don't live in a complete
capitalistic society. We don't, We do not. We actually subsidize
(21:40):
different parts of our economy and limit parts of our
economy in terms of our growth smartly so, because I've
been in a purely capitalistic society. It was Russia play basketball.
There there's the haves and have nots, which is what
By the way, we're creating college sports because we're on
a path to seventy five Division I programs, the rest
(22:02):
not offering scholarships. That's the path we're onto. I don't
know how klu quickly we'll get there, but we will
get there because the other schools can't afford to make
these guys, whether they're real employees or employees without the
name employees or not, can't afford it. Too many of
the things cost too much money, and this doesn't make
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(22:27):
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he's coming into out of his second year as owner.
(22:48):
Maybe it's two and a half years this owner of
the Phoenix Suns. He was a former walk on at
Michigan State, who then you know, got into the loan
game and became obviously a billionaire, bought the Phoenix Suns.
Has now changed coaches twice in the last two years,
(23:10):
and steven A. Smith said he's working his way towards
being the worst owners on the path towards being the
worst owner in the history of the NBA. Here's Matt
Ishpia in response.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
Steven A Smith, You know, I don't take much, he says. Seriously,
you know, I don't think many people do. To be
honest with you, the things he said about Kevin Durant
just wrong and disrespectful. Of the things he said about
Lebron James were just disrespectful and inappropriate. With that being said,
I don't really think stephen A believes that what he said.
I think, you know, he's doing his thing. He's on
the mic and he's doing what he and I think
he'll apologized to me because I think it's disrespectful to
(23:42):
put my name and aligned with anybody that was kicked
out of the league or no longer part like yeah,
if he wants to say. For the first two and
a half years, Manage Tory bought the team, we didn't
win a championship. I think you probably said about almost
every owner ever. But yeah, we had high expectations and
we didn't win. We spent a lot of money and
we didn't win.
Speaker 6 (23:59):
Yep, yep.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
Be critical of me on that, But to even say
that kind of stuff like I said, that's just I think,
like I said, he'll apologize. I think he was out
of line, and I think he knows that. I don't
think he really believes that.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Yeah, calling out Stephen a for saying things he doesn't believe. Again,
I don't know. I thought Steven A. Smith actually, look,
he's wrong with what he says, but he didn't say
he's the worst owner in the league. He said he's
working his way towards This is actually Steven A. Smith
and what he said.
Speaker 7 (24:31):
Matt Ishbia needs to understand that right now you are
on the verge of being recognized as the worst owner
in the history of basketball. That's saying a lot. That's
saying a lot. Donald Sterling, once owned an NBA franchise,
James Dolan until he recently hired Leon Rose, was on
(24:55):
that trajectory. That's the trajectory if you're matt Eshbia that
you on right now being recognized as arguably the worst
owner in the history of basketball.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Yeah, you can't mention Donald Sterling and then act like
it's it's actually possible that it could be somebody that
you could be in that vein. And by the way,
a bad owner is not a maybe a bad owner,
but a terrible owner to that level. Is not somebody
who pours a bunch of money and tries to hire
a coach. I don't think anyone considers that a bad owner,
(25:31):
especially the guy that you're replacing, the guy that you're placing, Jason,
you want to add something to.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
This, Uh, steven A On today's show, Matt Ishpia is
absolutely right. Steven A says, I do owe him an
apology because I mentioned Donald Stirlin. I thought I was
making it clear I was talking about basketball. I certainly
did not mean to compare him to a person that
has been widely recognized as a racist.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Okay, I don't even think he's the worst owner in
regards to basketball. Why, Like, I would love to see
go back and track how many people thought when they
brought in Kevin Durant and Bradley Beal thought it was
a good deal. They brought in Brady de Bial like
this will work. Most of us like, yeah, that doesn't
feel like it's gonna work. But okay, But the point
is that's not a bad owner. When you try something,
(26:23):
you try to throw a bunch of money and get
a bunch of stars at it and try to make
something work. That's not even in the conversation of worst
owners ever, is it. I mean, I know it's not basketball,
but Ardy Moreno is way worse owner. Literally had Mike
Trout and show Hey Otani the two best baseball players
(26:46):
of my lifetime and one nothing zero and show hey
wasn't even making any money, Like what the Angels have
pulled off is amazing to have Mike Trout. Mike Trout
is in any conversation of the best position players in
(27:07):
our lifetime. He may not be for you, Like again,
we can have this back and forth. This is in
talking to baseball guys. The baseball guys I know, like dude,
like five tool outfielder, right hits for power, used to
hit for average, steals bases. What doesn't he do? And
(27:30):
then he had show hey o Tani, who was an
elite pitcher and an elite hitter, in any conversation that
the greatest players to ever play the sport, they were
nowhere near ever making the playoffs during the what was
it four years that they were together, Like, we're really
gonna even have any conversation about Matt Ishbia two years in.
(27:51):
It's just a ludicrous conversation. Ludicrous. And this is actually
my biggest problem with Steven A when he's on at
halftime of the NBA stuff is he does because because
he can't actually evaluate the game, because that's not what
he does or who he is. He can't say, like, man,
what are they doing in pick and roll? Cover geor man,
(28:11):
I hate this rotation? All he says this thy sorry,
they're not ready to play? Like what I get that?
He just he first takes it, He first takes it
instead of again, what I think is a good show
is the Okay, the spirit is there. I want to win.
(28:33):
I want to win right away. I always thought Kevin
Rant was awesome. Great. I always thought Bradley Beal was awesome.
If you just put them a good team, great. It
didn't work. Okay, Why did those two those two coaches
they hired were pull the opposites of each other. Why
didn't it work and go study it? He should have
done this. This one move would have changed something that's
actual analysis instead just running your mouth. I don't understand
(28:54):
how anybody watches that or enjoys that. Just don't.
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Did you guys hear what Joe Flacco said about younger quarterbacks.
Joe Flacco, who's now gray hair, been the consman backup,
although he's gotten to start each of the last three
or four years, really as that backup. Here's what Joe
Flacco had to say about young quarterbacks in the NFL.
Speaker 8 (30:07):
I do think it's important for young quarterbacks to be
able to learn. You don't want to put a young
quarterback in a football game before he's actually ready, because
you know, there's there's just so many things in this
in the cycle in this league these days is just
so quick. You want these guys to be ready. And
I do think there's huge advantages to being able to
sit back and make sure you get and gain that
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confidence and and and really really learn the game and
get the get the team surrounded in a good way
so that you can go out there and have success.
And I think that stuff happens naturally through like competition
in different rooms. And you know, like the more competition
you have and the more people you have competing, the
more conversations come up and the more people learn. I
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think that's true in not just in sports, but in
every environment. You want good people uh in a room
together that can push you each other, and then you'll
get the most out of everybody.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Stut Gottlieb Show Here on Fox Sports Radio. Mark Dominic
is our guest. Of course, he's conducted many of these
NFL drafts as a general manager of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers,
and he spent more than twenty years in the front
officers and scouting leading up to being a general manager.
And he joins us here first weekly visit on Fox
Sports Radio. Let's start with the Aaron Rodgers stuff. Again.
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It's only one perspective, Mark, right, Like, there's how Aaron
took it is not necessarily how it may have gone down.
But Aaron says, hey, man, I flew with there across
country on my own dime. I get there. First thing
they do is get up and go do you want
to play football? It's like, yeah, I'd like to think
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about it. Yeah, And they're like, we're letting you go.
What's your reaction to Aaron Rodgers' perception of how that
meeting went?
Speaker 6 (31:58):
Yeah, I saw that with Pat maga Be and you
know what, I uh again, you're you're right, it's one,
but it sure feels like something that you you know
it's it's one of those things where if you know
you're going to move on, how to respect to the
player and in the process. Now, again, is Aaron really
respecting the league right now with the Pittsburgh Steelers? Hard
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to say, but out of respect to the player, if
you know you're moving on, I don't get I don't
make a guy fly across the country for a fifteen
minute conversation, you know. I'm just going to be honest
with them over the pone and say, look, we're going
to go in a different direction here, and I don't
know what you want to do, but this is what
we're going to do now. You want to handle it,
you know, And that's how it ended. I wouldn't make
him come off that across and then just kind of
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knock him and I understed whe.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Aaron glenscome from.
Speaker 6 (32:42):
I think he wants to set a telling, but I
don't think you have to do it that way.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
What like? So why do you think they handle it
in such fashion? Mark?
Speaker 6 (32:54):
Yeah, I got you, Doug. What happened? They just went
out for a second.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Third, That's okay. Why why do you think they would
handle it this way?
Speaker 6 (33:00):
I think that they're just trying to I think they're
trying to be tough guys. You know, it's a new situation.
Aaron Glenn's trying to prove himself as a new head coach. Uh,
you know, we're gonna deal with things face to face
and and and you know, take things on. I think
they're trying to set that. So I think that's the
reason why it's like, hey, that we're going to do
this face to face time mentality rather than you know, again,
I get what Aaron's trying to do coach Glenn, but
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I think in this situation, it didn't need to be.
I think this is an easy one when you know
what you're gonna do. I'm not going to put a
guy on a five hour flight to go tell them
exactly new that could do it over the phone.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. What's your
sense of what happens at number three? It feels like
we know what happens at one to two. Three is
where it gets interesting what happens.
Speaker 6 (33:45):
I don't think they're taking a quarterback. I think the
Giants are gonna take best available player, and whether that's
you know, Henry or Carter or whatever it's going to be.
I think they're going to stay there, and I think
you'll see the giants might be more of in the
mood to you know, pop back up in the bottom
of the first and maybe grab a guy that just
seems to maybe maybe it is, you know, Jackson Dart
is dropping or maybe shoulder has dropped for some reason.
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Where it's it's within play where they can get an
elite talent if they know they're getting and then turn
around and come back on the quarterback spot and grab one,
you know, trading back up into the top of the
first or at the bottom of the first. That's the
way I think the Chimes are going to play this.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
How do you evaluate Ashton Genty.
Speaker 6 (34:22):
I think people are being too hard on him. You know,
everybody's like, well, you know, he's a running back, he's
not that tall. I played at Boise State and those
are all facts. But that doesn't stop how good he is.
You know, you know, do I think he's say Kwan
Barkley or I heard somebody say you've got to be
as good as Barry Sanders. You know, no one, I mean,
no one really knows you know that, you know, Sperry
Sands even be as good as he was quite frankly,
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but I think he's worthy of a top ten pick
because I do agree with what he's saying. Like I
think people looked last year in free agent said, wait
a second, So Josh Jacobs did a really good job
in Green Bay. Say, Quon Barkley was obviously phenomenal to
Derek Henry is obviously he's running back to her good
and made big impact. And the teams they went to,
and it hurt the teams that they went away from.
And so I look at it and go look where
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the Raiders ended up. Look where the Giants ended up, right,
Look where you know these teams. Look where the Titans
are picking number one. So I think the running back
is deserving. And again, if you just get the five
years out of them, you know, whether you franchise him
or let him go. Five years is a lifetime. NFL
coaches on average only average three point eight years a
year per contract, So this guy is going to be
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there for a long time, and I think he's worthy
of it.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
It's a Doug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Mark dominic Is is our guest. We're getting you ready
for the upcoming NFL Draft. What do you do if
you're Pittsburgh, Right, you have a guy who could start,
but clearly you want Aaron Rodgers. Rogers is kind of
on the fence about what he wants to play, and
you got the draft. What do you do for you're Pittsburgh.
Speaker 6 (35:49):
Yeah, I mean, I think you play the board exactly
the way it comes to. So you know, if the
quarterback is still the highest rate of guy on the board,
you just go with it. But I don't think you
look at it the way that these teams are more
nest meeting the quarterback saying, you know, Pittsburgh has got
a good defense to have a quarterback that they like,
that they have some trust in. I think Pittsburgh plays
the time says if the board says he's there, you
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take him. If the board's not there, don't manufacture a guy.
And that's why quarterbacks always move, right, Doug. I mean,
I've said it before, but if you don't have a
quarterback in the National Football League, you are going to
get fired in a matter of year or two. So
that's why every year quarterbacks get pushed up on the
draft boards because you've got to have one, you have
to to have a chance to be competitive, and that's
what happens to a lot of people. But I think
in Pittsburgh State, because of stability, because of the franchise,
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I think you're okay.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
I do too, Because they have a guy who's led
them to the playoffs in the past. I don't think
that's who they settle on, but I do think again,
if that's your fallback, I think things could be a
whole heck of a lot worse. Right, it could be
a heck of a lot worse. What do you think
is the inside the NFL narrative of this draft? I
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like you had this draft is what two people in
the actual NFL.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
Yeah, I think it's you know, I think it's very
nice and loaded with ed rushers and defensive linemen. I
think if you like, I think that's the main thing.
So if you're a team that's sticking in the late
teens or mid twenties, I think you're still gonna have
a guy on the board that you like. And I
think that's exciting when you realize how impactful those players
can be. I think the other thing is probably quietly
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talks about is if you want a tight end, you
better grab one earlier than you think, because really, after
the first two guys go off the board, it's going
to be a while, I think. So they see another
tight end, and so I think it's going to really help,
you know, obviously Tyler and Loveless. I think it's going
to help those two guys go a little bit higher
than I think people realize.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
There's also I'm wondering how COVID and NIL and more
guys staying in school because they're making more money, how
has that affected the overall draft pole.
Speaker 6 (37:48):
Well, it certainly has that, I know. You bring up
a great point. You know, it used to be we'd
see one hundred and twenty underclassmen declare and now we're
sitting right around fifty. So it's showing you NIL has
a big impact on some of these guys, like do
I really need to come out if I'm a fourth rounder?
Do I want to start the clock quicker? Or do
I want to go grab another seven hundred and fifty
thousand dollars or a million dollars? And I think a
lot of kids are you know, staying in school to
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try to, you know, be able to secure the bag
in college with knowing what they have, so I think
it's kind of helped. It's also interesting because you know,
so many scouts spend so much time, as you know, Doug,
you know, evaluating guys and then they don't come out
and they've kind of wasted a little bit of time.
And so I think clubs need to relook at the
way that the amount of guys are declaring, and I
think it'll be a you could be even more efficient
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by not worrying about the declared guys as much as
I think we kind of do when we walk into
those locker rooms in the fall.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Yeah. No, I mean, like, look, it trickles down to recruiting.
It's like we've only signed you know, one high school
two high school players, and moving forward that's going to
be probably about the number one in state kid per year.
It's like, do we need to spend a bunch of
money recruiting in the summer when most of our recruiting
is in the portal and we need to evaluate those
guys and stay on campus and just watch them in
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TV and use our connections. I just wonder, in terms
of your scouting, how much do you scout? How does
it change your scouting. How does it change how you draft?
How does it change everything where guys are staying in
school longer.
Speaker 6 (39:08):
Yeah, I mean I think in terms of like schools.
You know, obviously there's name recognition goes across, but you know,
I just feel for the schools that are you know,
good college programs that have some development, especially you know
when you talk about Division two in AI, but even
like the Miami Ohio or the Toledo or the schools
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that you know, they recruited a kid that's a really
good player and suddenly he's going to hit the portal
and be gone. It's making it very hard on coaches
at the smaller level schools, and it's going to make
this thing continue to be lopsided. You know, you can
still you know, in Alabama, you can still recruit the
high school kids because you're Alabama or you know, Ohio
State or Michigan, but you also are only going to
put out maybe fourteen fifteen office because you're going to
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use the portal for what it's for, and that's, you know,
to go steal the guy over here that we already
seen plays against twenty two year olds that is doing
a great job at offensive center. Or offensive guards. So
it's certainly changing the entire landscape of not only just
pro football, for certainly college football. I think in the
pro football world, you're getting to learn how the guys
handle money a little bit sooner in bigger chunks, to
kind of see how they may be able to handle
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that when they get.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
To the NFL Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Hey, Mark, listen,
can't wait for the draft before we go? When you're
leading to these drafts as a general manager, Okay, and
here we are. We're on Friday, so we're less than
a week out. How set is your draft board?
Speaker 6 (40:30):
My draft board may have a little tweak or two
over the weekend and then come Monday, unless there's a
major announcement that no one's expecting. I'm still using the
weekend for my coaches to try to reach out to
other coaches around the league that they know, just to reconfirm,
you know, guys's second, third, fourth round character, love of
the game, and so that's where you get little little tweaks.
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But it should nothing should be significant. If you're more
just moving significantly right now, that means you weren't prepared.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
All right, Mark, I love it. I can't wait to
talk trap with you next week. We're gonna be down
in that kind of inner circle. Whatever. Thanks for our
guest on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 6 (41:08):
Enjoyed, Doug, and I'll talk to you next week.
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Speaker 2 (00:43):
Um.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
I get what the idea behind it was, but man,
the execution leaves a lot to be desired. Right Tonight
is the final of the play in tournament or play
in games in the NBA, so I fully get what
the idea of it was. Right. More teams engage in
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the playoffs, which means less tanking games where you know
if you win, you move on, you lose, you go home.
Because everybody wants the excitement of that moment of the
NCAA tournament. Let's just kind of be honest. Everybody's kind
of searching for how do we recreate what march madness has.
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So I get the I fully and completely get the
idea of the play in tournament. And it's one of
those things where when you put it on a board
and you know you're doing a brainstorming session and you
ask somebody to flush it out. Now, hey, I like it,
no bad ideas, flush it out. Okay, So here's the deal.
(01:47):
Instead of one through eight, you know, seven, eight, nine, ten,
they all play and the seven and eight seed, well
they have to lose twice only win once in order
to advance. And like, here's how we kind of talk about. Hey,
but what do you think? And it looks really good
up on a board, like, yeah, hey, that makes sense.
(02:09):
You know. Now you have ten teams essentially in some
sort of playoffs, and then maybe two more teams that
fall just short of that play in tournament that want
to get in the playoffs. That's four more teams that
are going to be in or competing for a playoff
berth or a play in birth. The likehood is on
a yearly average, four more teams are more engaged for
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the entirety of the season, and then we have this
handful of games where we create inventory and oh yeah,
by the way, we give the best teams extra rest,
and then we go and play like again on paper
or on a whiteboard. Sounds like a great idea, but
I'm just asking you, honestly. I'm asking you honestly. Is
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there any sort of energy towards any of these teams
playing that you're like, I can't wait to watch And
I am your P one fan, And I talked to
lots of my now, being obviously a Division one men's
head college coach, I talked to a lot of college
coaches like I have zero remaining on the bandwidth right
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now for the NBA, but I do love NBA playoff basketball.
This is just not playoff basketball.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Now.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Miami's playing Atlanta. I think this is going to be
the last. If Atlanta loses, this is the last time
Trey Young wears a Hawk's jersey. It's my guess right,
He's up for one of those massive, massive extensions this summer.
And if they lose tonight to Miami at home, Miami,
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who dominated Chicago on the road, going back two nights ago.
If they lose at home, I'm guessing I have no
knowledge of it, but I'm guessing they tell Trey Young, hey,
do we love you, We're just not signing it. One
of those max extensions where Trey Young's agent be like, yeah,
we're not in the future plans, let's find a new home.
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So you have Trey Young, one of the most popular
Atlanta Hawk ever taking on the Miami Heat. You have
Memphis and one of the most popular players going back
a couple of years ago. Obviously his popularity is Wanne
with some of his gun nonsense in John morand Anthony Davis,
who has been one healthy as dominant as Nico Harrison
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would hope he could be. And the Mavericks were in
the NBA Finals last year. Granted you don't have Kyrie,
obviously you don't have Luca, so they're a very different team.
But Ken, did did you even know that Dallas played
Memphis until I mentioned it? Did you even know that
Miami played Atlanta? Do you even care? And so my
point is not that the NBA playoff tournament totally missed
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the mark. It didn't right, it kept more team engaged.
It does give us a win or go home sort
of a couple of games, and it does give them more inventory,
and more inventory means more money because now when you
have now Peacock coming to the fold, you have ESPN,
obviously you have NBC next year, you have more games
to sell, more games to sell, more money, to make
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more money, to make more might have spent a round.
Everybody's happier, but I mean I will. I woke up
this morning going like, is it not the playoffs yet?
Can we just get this thing started? Byer? What do
you think, Bud?
Speaker 3 (05:35):
I actually think that there's a group of fans that
probably don't even care about the first round outside of
maybe the Lakers Timberwolve series and maybe the Warriors Rockets series.
New York in the Knicks will probably be loving the
Garden and the Piston series, and Detroit excited they're back
in it. But I even think that the first round
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sometimes leaves a lot to be desired for the for
the NBA and the NBA playoffs, because for the winners tonight,
we think that they're probably just going to get beaten
by the one seed again, even though it's not happened
every time in history, we've seen some upsets. But I
will say this, Doug, in how you started out in
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laying out, I completely agree that it gives you that
NCAA tournament feel, but I don't think that it is
stop teams from tanking. And because we still had ten
really bad teams in the NBA this year, so that
hasn't changed. But what I think it has done is
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it's changed the middle of the conferences, and I think
that is very important where you do actually have teams
with some value, whether at six, seven or eight or nine.
In the West this year it was crazy, we're now
down the stretch, and what was happening on the final
day of the NBA regular season did have a lot
of ramifications, so much so that Golden State ended up
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losing their game on Sunday and fell into the play
in tournament. I think that's something that teams were trying
to avoid. So I do think that the NBA with
the play in tournament made that seven eight range, seven eight,
nine range valuable because you're trying to get up to
the sixth spot, You're trying to get one of those
top six seeds, and in a domino effect of that
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is four five, six now become important because they don't
want to fall into seven, eight, nine to ten. And
it may not be the magical brew of all of it,
but I do think that they have changed the way
we look at the middle of the NBA. And the
prime example is we used to look at the decision
to be the eight seed or get a chance of
the lottery as a real dilemma, right, even if it
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was a zero point five percent chance. We're saying, well,
why would you want to be the eighth seed when
you're gonna get run by the top seed? You could
get a five percent chance to be in the lottery.
And I think that that has kind of gone by
the wayside because of what they've done with this play
in tournament.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Are you any more engaged in what's going on in
the playoffs because of this?
Speaker 4 (08:07):
No?
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Yeah, I just I wait for the I really wait
for like the first round to get started, maybe a
few games in before I'm paying attention. Yeah, And that's
my point about the first rounds. I don't even think
people care about the first round so hard.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
They don't. They don't. But again, I think we're actually
in agreement over Hey, we both truly believe that there
is good intentions there. There are things that they're trying
to do here. I just don't think. I don't want
to say the bad overweighs the good, but the the
part that no one cares overwhelms the good parts to it,
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like literally, it's I mean, in many ways mirrors the
first four. We love the first four, but the first
four ratings like pale in comparison to the rest of
the NCAA tournament. Part of it is it's played on
true TV, so on Tuesday and Wednesday. It's not on
your normal bracket or whatever. But this is very similar
like it is. You're right, Dan, It hasn't stopped the
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bottom teams from tanking, but it's kept a couple more
teams engaged. And some of it is more perception than reality.
They want to give the perception that more teams are
involved in close to the playoffs. Hey, there's a reason
to come to those regular season games. But again, when
you look at the net net, you're like, is this
really helping the game?
Speaker 3 (09:28):
I don't think that the win is tonight, Like Tonight's
not the night they cash in the chips. The win
was at the end of the regular season with these
teams jockeying for position and trying to get in a
spot where they weren't in the play in tournament. Sure,
and I think that that's where the win is. The
win is in late March to early April to position yourself.
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And again for the West, when you had had the
Lakers being fifty and thirty two as the three seed
and the Riley's being forty eight and thirty four, a
two game difference in being the eight seed and having
to play tonight just to play in the tournament. I
think what we saw over the stretch run of the
NBA regular season was the reason. Heck, look at the Clippers,
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what an eight game win streak. They were sitting there,
hovering in the play in tournament. Now they're sitting there
as the five seed. So I think that's where it's
added value, and not maybe not in tonight's game, because
it's because of what is I mean, it is only
the eight seed, and again we think they're gonna get run.
And I would also say that even if it was
a first round series, we probably wouldn't care as much,
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and that's Sam's point. But I do think that what
it has done is it's made the stretch run of
the regular season much more important than just all right,
let's just rest up and turn it on in the playoffs.
I don't think that you can do that anymore.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Stuck Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio, Jayce, do
you search you you yearn for great content? Two things
you want in your life great content? And what are
the opposite of BS is? Is the play in great content?
Speaker 2 (11:04):
I don't think it's great content, and I reject the
motivations behind it. I think Dan brings up the point
that this was kind of done to deter the tanking.
We also earlier in the week have Adam Silver's original
explanation that it was also done to keep teams and
by definition teams players engaged throughout more of the season.
(11:30):
So if you're doing math here now, you have the
NBA Cup that was installed in December to keep players interest,
you have the All Star Game that has been tweaked
three or four times in the last three years because
you want to keep players interested, and then you install
this play in tournament to keep players in it. And
(11:51):
to me, that is an indictment on the league that
you're running. If you need to place in these gimmicks
to keep people interested. I completely reject the premise onto itself.
One point that you made earlier in the in the
UH in your take, Doug, when you have the meetings
and somebody says there's no such thing as bad ideas,
(12:13):
I'm gonna fight that one. There are such things as
bad ideas. What about if you're trying to empower, like
I don't know, a group of co workers, and you
let the guy in the room that does have bad ideas,
and then you get sidetracked by his bad idea and
then it overtakes the meeting and then it becomes completely counterproductive.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
It's it's awful. It's the worst I've actually had. I
obviously had that. It's it's terrible. Go ahead.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
I'm no, I was just gonna say that. I think
that Jason's point is is brilliant in terms of of
again what this is, and it's it's a stepping out
of seeing the forest through the trees is I don't
know if Adam Silver is doing that, but he's dead
on on. We're catering everything towards trying to make things
(13:09):
more interesting, and at what point do you just have
to kind of put it on the you know, on
the shoulders of of the players, or of of just
accepting what you're what the product is. And it's not
meantal water to say that the the NBA is is
awful and that the NBA is bad.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
No, but like, why do you have to if it's
if it's already entertaining, why do you have to try
and make it more en It's just so artificially.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
So absolutely, and it's it's like every time I go
to the store, I can't give my kid a present
because you know, you know, like I'm not going to
give him a gift if he's crying because we went
to the store and he didn't get anything. And I
feel like almost to that point of what Jason is
saying is yeah, now this is the this is the
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third thing in the wording of what Adam Silver has
said of trying to keep things interesting and trying to
keep players engaged, which, by the way, to my point
of the four through the ten or the eleven, however
you want to look at it, I think that it
has I think that players didn't want to play in
the play in tournament, or teams didn't want to play
in the playing tournament, so you try to turn it
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on to get in that top six. I feel that's
been accomplished. But the bigger picture that Jason brings up
is now, this is the third thing and the third
segment of your season that you're trying to change, and
yet they want to tell us that everything is fine
with the game and that we're the ones that are
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about the product.
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You know what, We're gonna do something a second about
Matt Ishpia and Steven A. Smith. But I have to
(15:10):
use my platform for good and also for making sure
that the truth is told. And this is just really
important to me. So I've heard j Billis say time
and again he's so about player empowerment, and again I
(15:31):
like and respect Jay. We're actually friends. His wife Wendy
is awesome, and Jay's a good dude. Just on this
particular brand of topics, he is so free market wrong.
It's stupid, it really is. And for a smart guy,
(15:52):
he's the type of guy who's created this system of anarchy,
and he's got to be kind of like the Joker
in Batman, loving watching everything burn to the ground, but
at what cost. And the biggest newest one is not
just overpaying players, it's over his insistence that the coaches
(16:16):
what does he always say? The coaches portal was always open.
I knew this beforehand. I knew this beforehand, but I
know it even more now. Jay Billis has no idea
what he's talking about. It's one of those things where
(16:37):
it's so offensively wrong that even as somebody who respects
his other opinions, I struggle to listen to his other
opinions because this one is so wrong. And I can
only relate it to teachers versus students. If you're a teacher,
or you've been married to a teacher, your parent was
a teacher, and people compare students, students and teachers in
(17:01):
terms of their rights, and anyone who thinks they're anywhere
close is an idiot hasn't walked in their shoes, doesn't
understand a teacher has very much earned their way to
their spot. You may not think the best things of
these teachers, okay, but they've gone to school, they've gotten
their teaching credential, they paid the sacrifice, they've climbed the ladder,
and maybe they have tenure. But they have tenure because
(17:22):
they have been teaching long enough. It doesn't make them perfect,
but it has earned them a special level of respect.
And their jobs and their decisions are not anywhere close
to that in terms of the students are so insignificant
in proportion. And look, I'm just gonna tell you what
(17:44):
Jay Billis continues to tell people is one hundred percent wrong.
It is one hundred percent offensive to anybody who is
a coach, let alone a head college basketball coach. Yeah,
I have a radio job. That's three hours of my
dayrobably put it in four and a half when you
get to prep, which consists of getting up in the morning,
(18:04):
reading and watching and talking and whatever. Okay, but if
you think that there's any sort of equation to the
what is it? Probably ten coaches that have switched jobs
to take other jobs. Maybe I'll give you twenty. Maybe
I don't think it's twenty. I haven't done the math
because most of them are moving because they're replacing as
(18:25):
somebody who's fired. Okay, well, let's say it's twenty who
leave a job, not a Power five job, but oftentimes
they leave them a major job, to a Power five job,
or to another major job. Whatever. Let's say there's twenty
out of three hundred and sixty four, as opposed to
in college basketball, in the portal, more than half the
kids are in the portal. But for a college player,
(18:45):
what they're responsible for is themselves. And when I have
players coming to my office before and after the show
or we're talking about things, I tell them all the time,
I do not want this job, right because I have
to do pretty much all the things that they have
to do. You know, yes, they had to prepare for practice.
(19:07):
I had to prepare for practice. They had to prepare
for games. I have to prepare for games. Right, they
had to prepare their bodies. More, I had to prepare
them so they can see all that. And then that's
just a fraction of the you know, what did you
do yesterday, Doug Well, I got up in the morning
and I had coffee with some gentlemen from the biggest
(19:29):
Native American tribe that's close to Green Bay or close
to Wisconsin Green Bay our school, because we're trying to
do a night where we honor Native Americans and play
the top Native American university playing college basketball in either
a real or exhibition game. Because our school was actually
(19:49):
built on First Nation's property. Right, So we're doing that.
And by the way, one raise money, raise money, raise awareness,
do all those things. Then you go and you talk
all in recruits, you go see your own team, you
run your workouts, then you get in the car, then
you go to your radio show, then you go do
an in heme meeting with like it never stops, nor
should it. And I'm not complaining about the job. What
(20:11):
I'm complaining about is somebody who has never actually coached. Right,
Jay was a grad student when he was at Duke Case.
You're a grad student. Obviously you can't fully coach. But
in any way equating the importance and by the way,
the lack of movement with college basketball coaches, with the
massive movement in college basketball players, or even any of
this mess. That's college football. It's offensive, it's wrong, and
(20:32):
it really waters down the rest of his opinions, which
are really really good. And he's calling his first NBA
playoff games this year as well. Like I got to
hire people, I gotta fire people. I got to find
scholarships for guys, some players, I gotta say, hey, if
you want to play, this is probably not the place.
I got to manage my own staff. I got to
(20:53):
manage our guys academically off the court. Got to pay
it like it's a lot, and to equate them in
any way to players is offense. If it's wrong, I'd
encourage Jay to stop, because most people in the industry
are just they're past rolling their eyes. But if not,
it starts to it starts to nullify some of his
(21:16):
other opinions, which are probably closer or are accurate. But
this one's so far afield. It's just it feels like
it's a hill he wants to die on. He wants
complete capitalism, and again, we don't live in a complete
capitalistic society. We don't, We do not. We actually subsidize
(21:40):
different parts of our economy and limit parts of our
economy in terms of our growth smartly so, because I've
been in a purely capitalistic society. It was Russia play basketball.
There there's the haves and have nots, which is what
By the way, we're creating college sports because we're on
a path to seventy five Division I programs, the rest
(22:02):
not offering scholarships. That's the path we're onto. I don't
know how klu quickly we'll get there, but we will
get there because the other schools can't afford to make
these guys, whether they're real employees or employees without the
name employees or not, can't afford it. Too many of
the things cost too much money, and this doesn't make
enough money. Hey guys, Doug Gottlieb here are we ready for?
(22:27):
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this Thursday and the commercial on Saturday during the basketball
games this weekend. Matt Ishbia is the now. I think
he's coming into out of his second year as owner.
(22:48):
Maybe it's two and a half years this owner of
the Phoenix Suns. He was a former walk on at
Michigan State, who then you know, got into the loan
game and became obviously a billionaire, bought the Phoenix Suns.
Has now changed coaches twice in the last two years,
(23:10):
and steven A. Smith said he's working his way towards
being the worst owners on the path towards being the
worst owner in the history of the NBA. Here's Matt
Ishpia in response.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
Steven A Smith, You know, I don't take much, he says. Seriously,
you know, I don't think many people do. To be
honest with you, the things he said about Kevin Durant
just wrong and disrespectful. Of the things he said about
Lebron James were just disrespectful and inappropriate. With that being said,
I don't really think stephen A believes that what he said.
I think, you know, he's doing his thing. He's on
the mic and he's doing what he and I think
he'll apologized to me because I think it's disrespectful to
(23:42):
put my name and aligned with anybody that was kicked
out of the league or no longer part like yeah,
if he wants to say. For the first two and
a half years, Manage Tory bought the team, we didn't
win a championship. I think you probably said about almost
every owner ever. But yeah, we had high expectations and
we didn't win. We spent a lot of money and
we didn't win.
Speaker 6 (23:59):
Yep, yep.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
Be critical of me on that, But to even say
that kind of stuff like I said, that's just I think,
like I said, he'll apologize. I think he was out
of line, and I think he knows that. I don't
think he really believes that.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Yeah, calling out Stephen a for saying things he doesn't believe. Again,
I don't know. I thought Steven A. Smith actually, look,
he's wrong with what he says, but he didn't say
he's the worst owner in the league. He said he's
working his way towards This is actually Steven A. Smith
and what he said.
Speaker 7 (24:31):
Matt Ishbia needs to understand that right now you are
on the verge of being recognized as the worst owner
in the history of basketball. That's saying a lot. That's
saying a lot. Donald Sterling, once owned an NBA franchise,
James Dolan until he recently hired Leon Rose, was on
(24:55):
that trajectory. That's the trajectory if you're matt Eshbia that
you on right now being recognized as arguably the worst
owner in the history of basketball.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Yeah, you can't mention Donald Sterling and then act like
it's it's actually possible that it could be somebody that
you could be in that vein. And by the way,
a bad owner is not a maybe a bad owner,
but a terrible owner to that level. Is not somebody
who pours a bunch of money and tries to hire
a coach. I don't think anyone considers that a bad owner,
(25:31):
especially the guy that you're replacing, the guy that you're placing, Jason,
you want to add something to.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
This, Uh, steven A On today's show, Matt Ishpia is
absolutely right. Steven A says, I do owe him an
apology because I mentioned Donald Stirlin. I thought I was
making it clear I was talking about basketball. I certainly
did not mean to compare him to a person that
has been widely recognized as a racist.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Okay, I don't even think he's the worst owner in
regards to basketball. Why, Like, I would love to see
go back and track how many people thought when they
brought in Kevin Durant and Bradley Beal thought it was
a good deal. They brought in Brady de Bial like
this will work. Most of us like, yeah, that doesn't
feel like it's gonna work. But okay, But the point
is that's not a bad owner. When you try something,
(26:23):
you try to throw a bunch of money and get
a bunch of stars at it and try to make
something work. That's not even in the conversation of worst
owners ever, is it. I mean, I know it's not basketball,
but Ardy Moreno is way worse owner. Literally had Mike
Trout and show Hey Otani the two best baseball players
(26:46):
of my lifetime and one nothing zero and show hey
wasn't even making any money, Like what the Angels have
pulled off is amazing to have Mike Trout. Mike Trout
is in any conversation of the best position players in
(27:07):
our lifetime. He may not be for you, Like again,
we can have this back and forth. This is in
talking to baseball guys. The baseball guys I know, like dude,
like five tool outfielder, right hits for power, used to
hit for average, steals bases. What doesn't he do? And
(27:30):
then he had show hey o Tani, who was an
elite pitcher and an elite hitter, in any conversation that
the greatest players to ever play the sport, they were
nowhere near ever making the playoffs during the what was
it four years that they were together, Like, we're really
gonna even have any conversation about Matt Ishbia two years in.
(27:51):
It's just a ludicrous conversation. Ludicrous. And this is actually
my biggest problem with Steven A when he's on at
halftime of the NBA stuff is he does because because
he can't actually evaluate the game, because that's not what
he does or who he is. He can't say, like, man,
what are they doing in pick and roll? Cover geor man,
(28:11):
I hate this rotation? All he says this thy sorry,
they're not ready to play? Like what I get that?
He just he first takes it, He first takes it
instead of again, what I think is a good show
is the Okay, the spirit is there. I want to win.
(28:33):
I want to win right away. I always thought Kevin
Rant was awesome. Great. I always thought Bradley Beal was awesome.
If you just put them a good team, great. It
didn't work. Okay, Why did those two those two coaches
they hired were pull the opposites of each other. Why
didn't it work and go study it? He should have
done this. This one move would have changed something that's
actual analysis instead just running your mouth. I don't understand
(28:54):
how anybody watches that or enjoys that. Just don't.
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(29:51):
Did you guys hear what Joe Flacco said about younger quarterbacks.
Joe Flacco, who's now gray hair, been the consman backup,
although he's gotten to start each of the last three
or four years, really as that backup. Here's what Joe
Flacco had to say about young quarterbacks in the NFL.
Speaker 8 (30:07):
I do think it's important for young quarterbacks to be
able to learn. You don't want to put a young
quarterback in a football game before he's actually ready, because
you know, there's there's just so many things in this
in the cycle in this league these days is just
so quick. You want these guys to be ready. And
I do think there's huge advantages to being able to
sit back and make sure you get and gain that
(30:29):
confidence and and and really really learn the game and
get the get the team surrounded in a good way
so that you can go out there and have success.
And I think that stuff happens naturally through like competition
in different rooms. And you know, like the more competition
you have and the more people you have competing, the
more conversations come up and the more people learn. I
(30:52):
think that's true in not just in sports, but in
every environment. You want good people uh in a room
together that can push you each other, and then you'll
get the most out of everybody.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Stut Gottlieb Show Here on Fox Sports Radio. Mark Dominic
is our guest. Of course, he's conducted many of these
NFL drafts as a general manager of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers,
and he spent more than twenty years in the front
officers and scouting leading up to being a general manager.
And he joins us here first weekly visit on Fox
Sports Radio. Let's start with the Aaron Rodgers stuff. Again.
(31:28):
It's only one perspective, Mark, right, Like, there's how Aaron
took it is not necessarily how it may have gone down.
But Aaron says, hey, man, I flew with there across
country on my own dime. I get there. First thing
they do is get up and go do you want
to play football? It's like, yeah, I'd like to think
(31:49):
about it. Yeah, And they're like, we're letting you go.
What's your reaction to Aaron Rodgers' perception of how that
meeting went?
Speaker 6 (31:58):
Yeah, I saw that with Pat maga Be and you
know what, I uh again, you're you're right, it's one,
but it sure feels like something that you you know
it's it's one of those things where if you know
you're going to move on, how to respect to the
player and in the process. Now, again, is Aaron really
respecting the league right now with the Pittsburgh Steelers? Hard
(32:20):
to say, but out of respect to the player, if
you know you're moving on, I don't get I don't
make a guy fly across the country for a fifteen
minute conversation, you know. I'm just going to be honest
with them over the pone and say, look, we're going
to go in a different direction here, and I don't
know what you want to do, but this is what
we're going to do now. You want to handle it,
you know, And that's how it ended. I wouldn't make
him come off that across and then just kind of
(32:41):
knock him and I understed whe.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Aaron glenscome from.
Speaker 6 (32:42):
I think he wants to set a telling, but I
don't think you have to do it that way.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
What like? So why do you think they handle it
in such fashion? Mark?
Speaker 6 (32:54):
Yeah, I got you, Doug. What happened? They just went
out for a second.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Third, That's okay. Why why do you think they would
handle it this way?
Speaker 6 (33:00):
I think that they're just trying to I think they're
trying to be tough guys. You know, it's a new situation.
Aaron Glenn's trying to prove himself as a new head coach. Uh,
you know, we're gonna deal with things face to face
and and and you know, take things on. I think
they're trying to set that. So I think that's the
reason why it's like, hey, that we're going to do
this face to face time mentality rather than you know, again,
I get what Aaron's trying to do coach Glenn, but
(33:22):
I think in this situation, it didn't need to be.
I think this is an easy one when you know
what you're gonna do. I'm not going to put a
guy on a five hour flight to go tell them
exactly new that could do it over the phone.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. What's your
sense of what happens at number three? It feels like
we know what happens at one to two. Three is
where it gets interesting what happens.
Speaker 6 (33:45):
I don't think they're taking a quarterback. I think the
Giants are gonna take best available player, and whether that's
you know, Henry or Carter or whatever it's going to be.
I think they're going to stay there, and I think
you'll see the giants might be more of in the
mood to you know, pop back up in the bottom
of the first and maybe grab a guy that just
seems to maybe maybe it is, you know, Jackson Dart
is dropping or maybe shoulder has dropped for some reason.
(34:06):
Where it's it's within play where they can get an
elite talent if they know they're getting and then turn
around and come back on the quarterback spot and grab one,
you know, trading back up into the top of the
first or at the bottom of the first. That's the
way I think the Chimes are going to play this.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
How do you evaluate Ashton Genty.
Speaker 6 (34:22):
I think people are being too hard on him. You know,
everybody's like, well, you know, he's a running back, he's
not that tall. I played at Boise State and those
are all facts. But that doesn't stop how good he is.
You know, you know, do I think he's say Kwan
Barkley or I heard somebody say you've got to be
as good as Barry Sanders. You know, no one, I mean,
no one really knows you know that, you know, Sperry
Sands even be as good as he was quite frankly,
(34:43):
but I think he's worthy of a top ten pick
because I do agree with what he's saying. Like I
think people looked last year in free agent said, wait
a second, So Josh Jacobs did a really good job
in Green Bay. Say, Quon Barkley was obviously phenomenal to
Derek Henry is obviously he's running back to her good
and made big impact. And the teams they went to,
and it hurt the teams that they went away from.
And so I look at it and go look where
(35:05):
the Raiders ended up. Look where the Giants ended up, right,
Look where you know these teams. Look where the Titans
are picking number one. So I think the running back
is deserving. And again, if you just get the five
years out of them, you know, whether you franchise him
or let him go. Five years is a lifetime. NFL
coaches on average only average three point eight years a
year per contract, So this guy is going to be
(35:26):
there for a long time, and I think he's worthy
of it.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
It's a Doug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Mark dominic Is is our guest. We're getting you ready
for the upcoming NFL Draft. What do you do if
you're Pittsburgh, Right, you have a guy who could start,
but clearly you want Aaron Rodgers. Rogers is kind of
on the fence about what he wants to play, and
you got the draft. What do you do for you're Pittsburgh.
Speaker 6 (35:49):
Yeah, I mean, I think you play the board exactly
the way it comes to. So you know, if the
quarterback is still the highest rate of guy on the board,
you just go with it. But I don't think you
look at it the way that these teams are more
nest meeting the quarterback saying, you know, Pittsburgh has got
a good defense to have a quarterback that they like,
that they have some trust in. I think Pittsburgh plays
the time says if the board says he's there, you
(36:09):
take him. If the board's not there, don't manufacture a guy.
And that's why quarterbacks always move, right, Doug. I mean,
I've said it before, but if you don't have a
quarterback in the National Football League, you are going to
get fired in a matter of year or two. So
that's why every year quarterbacks get pushed up on the
draft boards because you've got to have one, you have
to to have a chance to be competitive, and that's
what happens to a lot of people. But I think
in Pittsburgh State, because of stability, because of the franchise,
(36:31):
I think you're okay.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
I do too, Because they have a guy who's led
them to the playoffs in the past. I don't think
that's who they settle on, but I do think again,
if that's your fallback, I think things could be a
whole heck of a lot worse. Right, it could be
a heck of a lot worse. What do you think
is the inside the NFL narrative of this draft? I
(36:55):
like you had this draft is what two people in
the actual NFL.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
Yeah, I think it's you know, I think it's very
nice and loaded with ed rushers and defensive linemen. I
think if you like, I think that's the main thing.
So if you're a team that's sticking in the late
teens or mid twenties, I think you're still gonna have
a guy on the board that you like. And I
think that's exciting when you realize how impactful those players
can be. I think the other thing is probably quietly
(37:21):
talks about is if you want a tight end, you
better grab one earlier than you think, because really, after
the first two guys go off the board, it's going
to be a while, I think. So they see another
tight end, and so I think it's going to really help,
you know, obviously Tyler and Loveless. I think it's going
to help those two guys go a little bit higher
than I think people realize.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
There's also I'm wondering how COVID and NIL and more
guys staying in school because they're making more money, how
has that affected the overall draft pole.
Speaker 6 (37:48):
Well, it certainly has that, I know. You bring up
a great point. You know, it used to be we'd
see one hundred and twenty underclassmen declare and now we're
sitting right around fifty. So it's showing you NIL has
a big impact on some of these guys, like do
I really need to come out if I'm a fourth rounder?
Do I want to start the clock quicker? Or do
I want to go grab another seven hundred and fifty
thousand dollars or a million dollars? And I think a
lot of kids are you know, staying in school to
(38:10):
try to, you know, be able to secure the bag
in college with knowing what they have, so I think
it's kind of helped. It's also interesting because you know,
so many scouts spend so much time, as you know, Doug,
you know, evaluating guys and then they don't come out
and they've kind of wasted a little bit of time.
And so I think clubs need to relook at the
way that the amount of guys are declaring, and I
think it'll be a you could be even more efficient
(38:31):
by not worrying about the declared guys as much as
I think we kind of do when we walk into
those locker rooms in the fall.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Yeah. No, I mean, like, look, it trickles down to recruiting.
It's like we've only signed you know, one high school
two high school players, and moving forward that's going to
be probably about the number one in state kid per year.
It's like, do we need to spend a bunch of
money recruiting in the summer when most of our recruiting
is in the portal and we need to evaluate those
guys and stay on campus and just watch them in
(38:58):
TV and use our connections. I just wonder, in terms
of your scouting, how much do you scout? How does
it change your scouting. How does it change how you draft?
How does it change everything where guys are staying in
school longer.
Speaker 6 (39:08):
Yeah, I mean I think in terms of like schools.
You know, obviously there's name recognition goes across, but you know,
I just feel for the schools that are you know,
good college programs that have some development, especially you know
when you talk about Division two in AI, but even
like the Miami Ohio or the Toledo or the schools
(39:29):
that you know, they recruited a kid that's a really
good player and suddenly he's going to hit the portal
and be gone. It's making it very hard on coaches
at the smaller level schools, and it's going to make
this thing continue to be lopsided. You know, you can
still you know, in Alabama, you can still recruit the
high school kids because you're Alabama or you know, Ohio
State or Michigan, but you also are only going to
put out maybe fourteen fifteen office because you're going to
(39:50):
use the portal for what it's for, and that's, you know,
to go steal the guy over here that we already
seen plays against twenty two year olds that is doing
a great job at offensive center. Or offensive guards. So
it's certainly changing the entire landscape of not only just
pro football, for certainly college football. I think in the
pro football world, you're getting to learn how the guys
handle money a little bit sooner in bigger chunks, to
kind of see how they may be able to handle
(40:10):
that when they get.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
To the NFL Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Hey, Mark, listen,
can't wait for the draft before we go? When you're
leading to these drafts as a general manager, Okay, and
here we are. We're on Friday, so we're less than
a week out. How set is your draft board?
Speaker 6 (40:30):
My draft board may have a little tweak or two
over the weekend and then come Monday, unless there's a
major announcement that no one's expecting. I'm still using the
weekend for my coaches to try to reach out to
other coaches around the league that they know, just to reconfirm,
you know, guys's second, third, fourth round character, love of
the game, and so that's where you get little little tweaks.
(40:51):
But it should nothing should be significant. If you're more
just moving significantly right now, that means you weren't prepared.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
All right, Mark, I love it. I can't wait to
talk trap with you next week. We're gonna be down
in that kind of inner circle. Whatever. Thanks for our
guest on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 6 (41:08):
Enjoyed, Doug, and I'll talk to you next week.
Host
Doug Gottlieb
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