April 28, 2025 • 47 mins
On a Monday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug gives his take on the Shedeur Sanders slide in the NFL Draft and why he thinks we are going to look back on this weekend and ask "why did we care so much about this?".
In this installment of Love AND Hate, Doug and the crew share what they loved and hates most about the weekend.
Doug welcomes NFL Media's Draft analyst Lance Zierlein onto the show to talk about Shedeur, Cam Ward and all of the headlines from the draft.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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the TIRA. Excuse me, comeing to you from from beautiful
Green Bay, Wisconsin. What a great day we have for you,
awesome show, tremendous sports weekend. We'll do most of the
NFL Draft this hour, little NBA at the back end
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of the hour, all the all the regular participants are here,
so welcome in. I'm just I'm really happy you guys
could all make it. We had a great week last week,
I mean Draft week in Green Bay, Wisconsin. I felt
like it was something super super special, super special, and
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we just posted out this video of the event. We
had that Frank Calliando, Dan Patrick and so many others.
My guy Tom Telesco came by for it. Was It
was good to see so many and you know, when
you're in Green Bay, generally people do show up for
Packers games, but otherwise you have to go visit others
as opposed to them coming to visit you. That was
different last week. If you think back in your life,
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even if you think back in the past couple of years,
I guarantee, or I don't guarantee, Yeah, I guarantee there's
something that you're like, I can't believe I cared that
much about it at the time. And that's where I
think we are with with Shador Sanders, right. Like, I
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know there were a draft picks I do. I'm completely
aware that there are other draft picks. I just didn't
hear about any of them last weekend. There was so
much noise about Shador so much, and it just it
makes it hard for us to even have some sort
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of sense of who did well, who did poorly. What's
the rest of the draft look like. I know, within
your own team you're probably very very well versed as
to who they got, But in terms of in totality,
that draft was made a mess by Shador Sanders on
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many draft boards. And we're talking about in mock drafts
not having to do with the NFL had him going
somewhere in the first round and he ends up falling
to the fifth round. If you compile that with the
fact that he wasn't even the first quarterback the Browns took.
They took Dylan Gabriel in the third round, you start
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to stop and think to yourself, holy cow, Like that
is just the weirdest pick ever. Even though the Browns
don't have a quarterback. The old expression is if you
have two quarterbacks, you don't have one. What if he
have five? You know, what if you have five? They
gave Joe Flacco legit money. Joe Flacco's went a Super Bowl,
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Joe Flaco's shown himself to be the consonman backup. Right,
they have the albatross contract of Deshaun Watson. They also
went out and signed Kenny Pickett right, who is a
former first round draft pick. He's been mostly a career
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backup after his time starting in Pittsburgh. So when he
signs a contract with the Cleveland Browns, granted not a
big contract two point six million dollars, but he has
a couple of years as a starter under his belt. Like,
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you start to look and go like they might keep three,
but which three are they going to keep because you
can't cut Deshaun Watson. Obviously he's not gonna be healthy,
he's gonna be on the ir Then you have a
bunch of others. What do you do with those? But
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I just think we're gonna look at this thing and go, Man,
we cared way, way, way too much about shud Door Sanders.
Actually mel Kiper cared way too much about Shudor Sanders.
Here's mel kiper Junior late in the draft.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Well you're not you don't have to sell it to me. No,
what we're talking about, Right.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
You're right, Yes, you're right.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
But you know what, but the but the draft has
spoken that's right.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
That that's the key mail.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
It's not.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
It's not putting a value judgment of whether those vas
play right or wrong.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
They did. So.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
Now, whenever you're in circumstances in life, whether you like them,
whether you don't like them, whether they're fair or whether they're.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Unfair, you might have to deal with them.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
And now Shadeer Sandman has to deal with every for
whatever reason, whether he played a minute, microscopic percentage, zero percentage,
or it's a legitimate criticism of the way he conducted
himself during the draft process. This was the result. Now
he has an opportunity to answer it. There's not I mean,
I think yelling at the NFL about it, it's not
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not a quarterback at boomer size and was not happy
when he was the second round there.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
They dropped. How'd they turn out?
Speaker 4 (05:46):
And put the argument by that, by that can happen
race The NFL has been clueless for fifteen years when
it comes.
Speaker 6 (05:54):
To evaluating quarterback clueless.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I have no idea what they're doing. There's an evaluating quarterback.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
That's the proof of that.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
How many I we know exactly what we're talking about
with quarterbacks?
Speaker 2 (06:04):
They don't.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
He's right, He's right. Mel also did not have failed
to point out that he's gotten some He's got plenty
of picks wrong in terms of what somebody's evail is.
The mel kiper junior aspect of it is really interesting
because I do think he belongs in the in the
Pro Football Hall of Fame, as Dan Patrick suggested going
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back to last week. But I also think that and look,
this is a mel either continues on or almost feels
like a seminal moment where you're like, yeah, it might
be time to put that one out to pasture and
and there's a couple of reasons why. But I was
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told this last week that you know, at his peak,
he was amazing, but he's passed his peak. And the
reason is they've had so much turnover in terms of
general manager. He used to know talk to travel to
see everybody. Mel for twenty five years has been a
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little bit of a recluse because he's had issues with traveling.
Got some very minor in terms of health issues that
I know about, but it does limit his ability to travel,
and so he's not really as connected in the league
as he used to be, and that's why he's so
off on this one. Who in the hell is Mel Kuiper? Yeah,
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I mean, look, he was the guy and now there
are copies of a copy and there are other guys
that do film study, but that one was hard to watch.
Who's like personally bothered by it? And I think that
the tough part about Shador is he doesn't present himself
as crazy, likable. Matter of fact, it's the opposite of that.
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It's the opposite of that. This is bu Marosiya said
on his New York radio show earlier today, talking about
the reason behind Shador slide.
Speaker 7 (07:57):
Shador Sanders just torpedoed himself his attitude off the field
at the Combine. His dad didn't help him either. You know,
he was on podcast talking about this is my son.
If I can get him to where I want to
get him to, I'm going to do that. But you know,
when you listen to this kid talk right prior or
at the combine about it, if you want a new
culture in your locker room, I'm the guy to do that.
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I can turn it around. I mean, he's very high
on himself, and I think he was very off, pitting off,
putting too many many coaches and general managers in the league.
And I'm telling you right now, and I know this
after talking to three different personnel people in the NFL
this weekend. They didn't even have him on his board
on their board. They took him off, and they took
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them off because the owner said, take them off. I
don't want that guy. I don't want this entitled person
on our team. And I don't blame him.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Yeah, I mean again, I think when you read scouts
views on him, there's a missing amount of arm talent
athletic talent as well, But that can be made up
for when if you're somebody that everybody loves, and I've
heard people say, well, you didn't say this about it's
(09:09):
not true. It's just not true. Stop it. Everyone knows
it not to be true. It's the most criticized and
praised position in all of sports. So please don't say
that it's because of this, that's because of that. Additionally,
there's plenty of video out there, and none of the
video presents himself as somebody who's humble, hardworking, understood, gets it. Okay,
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he's the embodiment of an entitled jerk he is. Now,
whether that's an actor that's who he really is, I
don't know, and I don't care. I'm telling you though,
that all of the things you're hearing is just confirmation
biased when you see it on TV, when you watch
it in games. And I don't evaluate quarterbacks for a living.
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Did I think that he would step up and make
big plays? Sure, but it was all and dunk. He
did have the best wide receiver in the country. He
did only play for his dad ever in football, you know,
growing up as a kid, into high school, into college
two different colleges. Always played for his dad. So there's
a daddy ball element to it, and his dad was obnoxious,
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and he like the only reason the Browns could have
drafted him was the owner stepped in said draft him
when he blew off the Browns in their meeting. You
guys have all heard the stories by now, and all
the stories may not be true, but if half of
them are, that's probably enough. No one says you have
to cow town. You have to cow to it. You
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have to bow your head to people, you have to No,
you could be confident, you can be respectful. You can't
be an a hole, and he presented himself as one,
and you're not town enough to overcome the perception of
him being a negative. It's just not.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
So.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
I feel like we're gonna look back and go I
can't believe so many were so invested in this. You know,
we're so invested in it. It's a little bit like
Ross and Rachel when they broke up. You know, you
had to know in a TV series they were gonna
get back together. It's a little bit like the start
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of a Mission Impossible movie. Tom Cruise is going to
make it through the movie, no matter what the stunt is,
no matter how unbelievable, is Tom Cruise gonna make it
through the movie? Yet? In that first opening scene when
he does some ridiculous stunt, you're stating yourself going like,
I don't know, is he gonna make it? Yeah, it's
the first fifteen minutes of the movie. He's gonna be
there an hour forty five in, you know, unless he dies.
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They do a flashback, which doesn't feel like an MI.
I feel we're gonna look back five ten years from
now and you're gonna find some diamond in the rough
who went in the twenty twenty five draft, and you're
gonna think to yourself, how have I how'd that guy?
How did I not know this was happening? And the
answer is really simple, Shoodoor Sanders. We cared way too
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much about a guy who is just taking too much
of our too much of our time.
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sure you had a NHL hockey Although none of us
watch it, it doesn't mean it doesn't matter. It just
doesn't matter. There was golf, although I didn't watch it.
There was baseball. I watched a little bit of it.
There's also college baseball. There's NBA basketball in playoffs, and
there's the NFL Draft. What we do every Monday at
this time is recap all things from the weekend. We
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call it love and hate.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
What did you love?
Speaker 1 (13:29):
God? I love you?
Speaker 2 (13:30):
And what did you hate?
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Meet these player hay is love love love Hey Hey
eight love love love Hey Hey Hay. Let's get to
what we loved from the weekend, It says Dan Byer,
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I'll let you start.
Speaker 6 (13:58):
Doug a lot of talk about Sanders this past weekend,
and I'll tell you what for all of the negativity
and everything that came out through the process, and I'm
not saying that he wasn't at fault for any of it,
I liked and loved that he was excited when he
did get drafted, that it wasn't this disappointment that there
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was him dancing with the Browns hat that he is
going to the NFL, because that ultimately is what it
is all about. And obviously it was disappointment for him,
and I know people were rooting for him to not
get drafted at all. But I did like to see
that he didn't pout, he didn't just put a hat
on and frowned, that he was at least excited to
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be drafted, and I was happy to see that. I
think even went ran and jumped at a pool because
I wondered what the reaction was going to be, if
there was going to be any reaction after the type
of weekend that it was, so I loved seeing Schador
Sanders get excited despite what had happened the previous two
day that he was being drafted by the Brons of
the fifth round.
Speaker 8 (15:02):
I like to piggyback on that. I like to piggyback
this is also my love, but for the opposite reason
Dan just mentioned. I know there were people rooting for
him to not get drafted at all.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
That's me.
Speaker 8 (15:12):
I'm in that group. I'm in the group that Emmanual
Acho felt the need to go on his Instagram story
and admonish for celebrating the slide of Shador Sanders. That
was me. I was doing that. And then when RG
three went on his Twitter account and said, I can't
believe there are people in this world that are rooting
for this guy to slide, I raised my hand and
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was cheering. I loved watching the draft this week. I
don't remember the last time I watched Saturday of a draft.
In fact, I don't even know if I have ever.
I watched it this time, loved it.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Okay, what about you there? I was him.
Speaker 9 (15:51):
Bill Belichick sat down with CBS Sunday Morning News yesterday,
and he really is the gift that keeps on giving.
I didn't see the full interview, but I caught some
of the clips that where he was Bill was asked
about him and his girlfriend Jordan. Here's just a little snippet.
Was very awkward and very entertaining.
Speaker 8 (16:11):
How did you guys meet?
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Not talking about this?
Speaker 8 (16:14):
No, No, it's a topic neither one of them is
comfortable commenting on.
Speaker 9 (16:19):
What's so funny is that she's sitting right there and
Bill's asked the question, and she's the one who pipes
in all of twenty four years old that she is,
and she's like, no, I'm set in the rules. We're
not talking about this. I was under the understanding that
they met on a plane. I think we all were right.
That's what made it so. And now we're all wondering, intriguing.
Right now, we're wondering, how did they really meet? Is
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it something more scandalous? I mean, like, we're not talking
about it.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Isn't that a very normal question to ask?
Speaker 9 (16:48):
Sure, Like, oh, you're getting married, congratulations? How did you
How did you two meet? Oh we met at at
a pool. We met at actually a party for my
friend with mutual friends. So now everyone's wondering by not
answering that, yes, how did you actually meet, but that
there were other things in that interview, And Bill is
just so awkward. He stands there, he just stares at you,
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like no emotions whatsoever. He's like, he's such a good
poker face, but it is so awkward.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Blank, Yes, do.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
You know the Bob Kraft?
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Are you being?
Speaker 6 (17:21):
And you mentioned that as well, like there was It
was because he was asked why Robert Kraft wasn't mentioned
in the book at all, and in Belichick's response was
it was just classic Belichick was another another high point
of the interview.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
I can't see to fight any here, but we.
Speaker 6 (17:39):
Tape a CBS Sunday morning, let's say constant record, so
every Sunday.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
So it was good. So last night it was like, oh,
all right, we've got it.
Speaker 6 (17:47):
So I ended up watching the whole thing.
Speaker 8 (17:48):
If you're Bill Belichick, why do you write a book?
You've got more money than your grand kids could spend
and you are currently ployed, you've never written a book before?
Why why write just a generic book?
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Was written last it was written last year? Why he's
out of a job.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
What what is the what's the win? And writing a
book at this point for Bill make money?
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (18:15):
More money?
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Yeah, yeah, I'm sure there's also when he's writing the book,
he didn't know if he was going to make any more,
if he's going to get a job, right, that's a possibility,
It's absolute possibility.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Now look at him.
Speaker 9 (18:33):
He's he's got a job and a smoking hot young girlfriend.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
He's living the life.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Running Bill, Bill, Run, run away.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
She starts answering questions on your behalf. What's next?
Speaker 1 (18:46):
She starts answering questions on your behalf, like, uh.
Speaker 6 (18:50):
Here, can I can? I can I play the Bob Craft?
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (18:54):
Here the exchange about Bob Craft?
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Here it is, I have to ask Bob Robert Kraft
because twenty four years together, six super Bowls.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
He's not in this book?
Speaker 2 (19:06):
How come he's not.
Speaker 7 (19:09):
Well?
Speaker 8 (19:09):
Again, it's about my life lessons in football, and it's
really more about the ones that I experienced directly. He's
not even in the acknowledgment section.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Correct, correct you saw that?
Speaker 8 (19:25):
You?
Speaker 1 (19:27):
He directed?
Speaker 9 (19:28):
His voice had just a sliver of like, yeah you
saw that, didn't you?
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Yes? Yes?
Speaker 8 (19:33):
Are we presumed by that that he didn't bring up
anybody else's name the entire book. He just talked about himself.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Listen, no, no, no, no, But his thing, I mean again,
his out is it's about football and my stories whatever
like Bob Craft just owns the team doesn't really have
to do with football.
Speaker 6 (19:50):
Remember Bob Kraft kept Tom Brady around when Belichick wanted
Jimmy g when they were letting Bill go. And at
the end of this interview which you will see, the
interviewer said that you were fired, and Bill was like
it was a mutual decision. And when Belichick announced or
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when they announced that he was not going to be returning,
Bob Kraft tried to give him a hug and Belichick
stonewall them. And then Kraft goes, he's got a cold,
so he doesn't want to get too close, Like there
are some hard feelings between Bob Kraft and Bill Belichick.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Do you think, yeah, hell yeah, there are what I
love for the weekend. I love my adopt in town
man Green Bay, Green Bay, Wisconsin. Me and I can't
do I can't do it Gruden. But that was a
that was a Gruden sort of reaction. Over six hundred
thousand people, just a good time. And then you know,
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Saturday is the kind of like you got to be
a grinder if you're there all three days. He there Saturday,
you don't know half those guys. But it was packed Saturday,
and it was beautiful as well. What a great weekend
for the NFL, But what a great weekend for green
Bay and the Fox Valley and all the surrounding areas.
Pretty stellar stuff. And you know, went off pretty much
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without a hitch. I mean, traffic wasn't bad. The weather
during all three days during the actual draft was fine.
So yeah, kudos to kudos to green Bay for doing
what many said would struggle to be done, could struggle
to be done, We'll struggle to be Okay, what we
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hate from the weekend hates a strong word, but these
are strong comments. Let's start with a resident hater, Jason Stewart.
Speaker 8 (21:43):
Saquon Barkley was seen getting off a plane with President
Trump yesterday, supposedly to play a round of golf before
the Eagles met with the President today. If I'm not mistaken,
Jalen Hurts had a scheduling conflict. The second Squon was
shown getting off the plane, he started getting ridiculed for
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being with the president. So Saquon Barkley took to social
media today, L some people are really upset because I
played golf and food of the White House with the President.
Maybe I just respect the office. Not a hard concept
to understand. Just golfed with Obama not too long ago,
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and look forward to finishing my round with Trump. Now
you get out of my mentions with all you politics
and have an amazing day. Yes, if you are one
of the losers who criticize Saquon Barkley for respecting the
office and going to the White House to celebrate a
major accomplishment, you are again a loser. And your side
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of things is always talking about the diminishing of our institutions.
We don't respect our institutions, and now you're criticizing somebody
for respect in the institution of the White House, of
the executive branch. That seems like a big what would
you call it.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Hypocrisy?
Speaker 8 (23:13):
Hypocrisy to me?
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Thank you, camp Buyer.
Speaker 6 (23:18):
It's funny because usually like stuff like that, it's must
be a late afternoon meeting because I haven't seen the
clips littered yet with the team around there. But I
knew it was today. I knew that they were visiting
today because of everything that Jason mentioned.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
What I hated was last night.
Speaker 6 (23:35):
It was a lot to hate about the bucks lost
to the Indiana Pacers, most notably the Damian Lillard injury
and the entire crumbling of a franchise before our eyes.
But I will actually go a different angle on this.
Bucks wise, NBA TNT does a great job, and they
have a segment that we've all seen throughout games. Maybe
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we pay attention, maybe we don't. It's called inside tracks,
where you hear a miked up player talk with his team.
And last night there was a point where Bobby Portis
got a technical foul for taunting Aaron Nesmith of the
Indiana Pacers because Portis tried to get the ball and
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Nie Smith was on the ground and held it away
from him. They reviewed it and gave Portis a technical
There was a little brewjaja when they went to the
audio of the of the behind the scenes. None of
that aired whatsoever. All it was was, let's go, let's go.
You got a rebound, you gotta hustle back. Remember we've
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talked about this before with coaches being got a rebound,
you know, screaming to the fans, let's go there. It
is NBA inside try like I wanted to hear what
was going on. Bleep it all out. Let's give us
some of that. That's the whole point of miking someone
up that maybe, just maybe you get that inside gold
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and we had it and they did not take advantage
of it, and then it just made me sour on
the whole idea of micing someone up if you're not
going to provide that sort of content to your viewers completely.
I mean, I walked like the bucks were even close.
But it gave me something to watch for a while
and hopes that maybe something would happen, but no, nothing whatsoever,
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and that wasn't included, and that was very disappointing.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Sam.
Speaker 9 (25:29):
My hate of the weekend was the prank phone call
on shoulder the uh listen and you you mentioned this earlier, Doug,
I didn't know Cooper dejene had been pranked in last
year's draft and that's horrible too. But you know, no
matter how much you don't like Shadoor Sanders, you may
think he's you know, arrogant whatever, unseerious. When a guy
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is sort of falling like that, you're kicking him when
you're down when you do something like that. And you
know the way that this this Jack's Olbrick got the
number like off of an open iPad from his dad,
who's the defensive coordinator of the Falcons. It was just gross.
It just was it was cruel and and you know,
you don't kick a guy when he's down. Uh So
I did not like that. No matter what I think
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about Shudour Sanders, I just thought that that was that
was just tasteless and the idea itself just went way
too far. And now that you know, because this is
a further this is a reflection on society swatting and people,
you know, pranking, people scamming with certain ways like arik,
using certain area codes that aren't theres. I remember a
couple of years ago, I got a call that was
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said it was my boss's number, and I answered it.
It was a prank call from somebody I knew who
happened to have my number and my boss's number, and
I was I felt so betrayed by this, and it
took me a long time to trust this person again.
So that kind of stuff grosses me out, and just
from experience, I just I just think that that was
and he apologized and we'll push on with this, we'll
move on with life.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
But to me that I hated it. I felt real bad.
Speaker 9 (27:00):
I felt really bad for Shoulder, even if he probably himself,
just kind of was like, whatever, we have the audio.
If you guys want to hear it, don't do our
listeners want to hear It's thirty seconds. Let's let's give
it a quick listen.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
This is Mickey Loomis here jam of the Thanks.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
How you doing good? How are you? Man?
Speaker 5 (27:16):
Good?
Speaker 1 (27:16):
I've been waiting on you. Yeah we have. It's been
a long waiting man, No for sure. And I'll take
you with our next year right here.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Man, Yeah, all right, but you're.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
Gonna have to wait a little bit longer.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
And nasty.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Okay, that greated go.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
What does that mean?
Speaker 5 (27:36):
What what do you say?
Speaker 1 (27:37):
I don't know?
Speaker 7 (27:38):
Are you at me?
Speaker 5 (27:39):
And he was on the phone.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
You heard that.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
He said you're gonna have to wait a little long
so he was confused.
Speaker 9 (27:44):
It sounded like I don't know how personally he took
it or if his feelings were hurt, but I just
thought it was gross and you know what, young men
do that stuff. I remember prank calling people, but it
was usually like, uh, you know, hey, is your refrigerator
on or is the refrigerator running? And then they go, uh, yes,
well you I got to go catch it then, and
it was like dumb stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
So now this is a little bit more personal.
Speaker 6 (28:06):
Uh, when I was younger, I was just gonna say,
when I was younger, the Davy four football practice started,
we called like the good players from other teams because
they were in the phone book. We called their home
and were had told of the show up at six
am for an early meeting because they're going to be
leaders on this team. So we'd be like, hey, hey, Thomas, coach,
(28:30):
I need you in the office at six am, and
we don't we know one person bought it, but we
called about four or five because everyone's name was in
the phone book, even neighboring towns, you could find their
number of the phone book, and we did do that.
But that was I was thirty years ago.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
So I think that that's time is.
Speaker 9 (28:48):
Passed, right, the old, the old, the old just looking
up numbers in a phone book and just calling some
guy because his last name is like coming at six am.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
He's gonna go over some leadership stuff.
Speaker 8 (28:57):
And we all like the jerky boys, right, we all
went through a jerky boys face in the nineties.
Speaker 9 (29:03):
And cranky anchors and all that stuff, and yeah, that
was a hoot. But this this one was just too
It was just too personal. It was just like, you
don't screw on with people like that, and especially when
they're grea free fall.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
I thought it. I thought I was messed up. I
thought was messed up, you know.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
Uh.
Speaker 9 (29:17):
And then and then if you're that Jack's uh olbrick kid,
you know you're on video. This is the thing about
today is like people want to do these kind of
pranks or these whatever things for social media, things for TikTok,
and they can't do it anonymously because they have to
get credit. So they had just done it and said, oh,
we did that, we did that, and then we just
keep it to ourselves and talk about it amongst our friends.
(29:39):
We have the cording of it, but it's like, you
gotta put it on video because it's got to go
on social media. You're gonna you're gonna suffer the consequences
for that because we have we're very good about identifying
people these days, even if it's a blurry video.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Okay, Uh, I'll tell you something I hate. Last last
Monday or no to maybe two Mondays ago, I was like, hey, guys,
take a snapshot. Angels are in first place. Yeah, Angels
have lost through in row. They got swept by the Twins.
Matter of fact, I believe they've lost all but two
(30:12):
series so far this year. They've lost tend their last
thirteen games and now twelve and fifteen a for being
well over five hundred. Again, it's not surprising, but it's
just it's like every year on repeat, right, decent start,
we got a chance. Let me know, Jay stewhen Mike
Trout gets hurt, because that's the next thing to happen,
right usually, Yeah, yeah, unfortunately, and that's love and hate.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
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Speaker 1 (30:49):
It's Doug Otlab Show Fox Sports Radio. I'll Eat the
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NFL Media. Get his thoughts on the draft, Kim Ward
and yes, Stuart Byer, you were, you were in La,
your home state of Wisconsin, put on a great show.
(31:09):
Give me your thoughts on the shador thing, on how
it really took over took over the draft.
Speaker 6 (31:14):
Yeah, I actually think that there are some parallels to
what happened in the NBA Draft last summer. Not a
great draft class at all. I mean it was Zachar
Rezache that went number one overall in the draft. And
we really didn't pay much mind to a lot of
the players in the NBA Draft, but we did pay
attention to Bronnie James, and I felt like that was
(31:36):
this situation. There weren't a lot of guys headline makers
in this draft. It was a bad draft class, something
that we've talked about for weeks on this show. So
then when you have a player who was really one
of the players that you were to talk about, one
of the very select few, then have the fall that
he did, I think it naturally then just overtook the
(31:58):
entire weekend.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Yeah it was, I mean it was the whole I mean,
it really did overtake the whole weekend. It was like
because it didn't happen the first day, it didn't happen
the second day, and they're like wow, yeah, I mean,
and then you know, Sunday was left to kind of
clean up Aisle six and what was the biggest storyline.
Speaker 6 (32:16):
It had to be that one, you know, and you're
hearing you off the top and we were even talking
in the breaks. I think all of us have like
different opinions whatever on the Kuiper situation. I actually think
it was a huge win for ESPN and whether Kuiper
was right or wrong, and he was obviously wrong on
the evaluation of shud Or Sanders, but he wasn't the
only one. But isn't that part of what mel Kuiper is.
(32:39):
I mean, we had a was it, I feel a
draft or I got DIBs where we were talking draft
moments and we're still playing the mel Kuiper cut from
thirty years ago. So I think that obviously, obviously, like
those misjudgments haven't hurt his career at all. And so
I actually think that outside of shed Or Sanders, mel
(33:01):
Kiper was the second most talked about person at this
NFL draft. And if I'm ESPN, I actually am happy
about it because now next year people are going to say, well,
what's mel gonna say this year? Or who does Mel have?
Is he gonna hit or miss? And I think it
can you know, becomes more of a conversation.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Yeah, it's It's a really good way of looking at it.
I think that the point the difference is when you
take a guy it's like almost better for him if
a guy goes earlier than he should then if he
calls out the whole league and basically calls the league idiots. Sure,
you know, I don't know what they're doing, Like okay, I.
Speaker 6 (33:41):
Always think he's fighting for respect too, even after all
these years, because he's not been on he's not on
the other side of the velvet rope. Wasn't a scout
like Daniel Jeremiah, not in the front office. He's kind
of been the I don't want to say the outsider
because it doesn't feel right. But he's not an NFL
personnel guy, and I feel that he's Maybe there's like
(34:01):
a bit of an insecurity in that, and that came
out even after all of these years of doing it.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
But I don't know if that's it. I really don't
know if that's it. You know, there's a bunch of
different thoughts on what it could be. Look, I've worked
enough with Bell to know he's a as a person,
a gem of a guy. Sure, everybody really likes him.
I don't think it's that insecurity. I think it's one
of two things. He just couldn't believe it, or he's
(34:30):
like you know. One of the things Mel does is
Mel is not an old school personnel guy.
Speaker 5 (34:36):
Right.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
He doesn't like have out his notebook and go to
college games and grade stuff out. He talks to people
and he kind of gets consistency views from people that
he trusts. And I almost feel like this is sim
last Yana. I can't believe all these guys I trust
told me something that's not true. It's Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Let's catch up with Lancer Line,
NFL draft analysts for the NFL Media. For NFL Media.
(35:01):
The one name that kind of overtook all the NFL
draft was not the number one player taken in cam Ward. Instead,
it was Shador. What was your evail of Shador throughout
throughout the last couple of years at SeeU.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
Yeah, I had, you know, I didn't focus as much
on his twenty three tape. Usually I watched two years
on quarterbacks. I watched his touchdowns and his interceptions, and
that was about it. I watched one game from there,
but I thought he was a lot better in twenty four,
so I focused most of my evaluation. You know. Conversely,
I focused most of my evail on Quinn yours on
(35:37):
twenty three, because I know he was hurt from much
twenty four. In terms of Shador, you know, it was
a pretty it was a pretty easy evail to me.
I thought I put a bottom of the second round
grade on him. I thought he was the second best
quarterback in this draft by cam Ward, who had a
high second round grade to late first round grade. Now,
(35:57):
from a projection standpoint, obviously, you know those guys typically
get pushed up a little bit if you're first and
second in the class. But you know, from an evaluation standpoint,
very average arm strength, very average off platform, adequate in
terms of timing, extremely accurate throws, a good accuracy, a
terrific poise in the pocket. He's got good pocket maneuverability,
(36:21):
so he can slide around the pocket. He's not the
fastest guy outside of the pocket, but in the pocket
he's pretty elusive. It takes way too many sacks, holds
onto it and plays he wrote ball way too often.
Has the ability to work all three levels, but needs
to work with timing. He's a player who's very tough
when he's in there, and he's extremely confident and you know,
brash airing and whatever you want to say. I like
(36:43):
the confidence in the pocket. He doesn't get easily rattled.
You get a sense that he's not trying to convince
himself that he's a tough quarterback. It's just it comes
naturally for him. So a lot of what I liked
about shuld Door Sanders had to do with intangibles, which
I don't minimize. I think a lot of times when
we look at wire quarterbacks see that we didn't expect.
It comes down to it tangibles. I think you have
(37:03):
to factor that in. But make no mistake, he's a
game manager who tries to play like a playmaker a
little bit too often. So the concern for me was
going to be could he not try to be prime son,
you know, his own brand and quote unquote, you know, legendary.
Can he be a guy that drives the ship? And
I had some concerns and I still do have concerns
(37:24):
about whether or not he can be okay just being
a game manager.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
And then you factor in the other parts, right, then
you factor in how he handled himself with teams. I
mean it's the there were only you know, I don't
know six seven teams that felt like they need to
starting caliber quarterback. And if you don't grade out as
one on some people's or you're on the board line
and then you blow off a couple of those six
(37:51):
or seven, you're almost asking for this sort of result,
aren't you.
Speaker 5 (37:57):
Yeah, Now, when it comes to me putting a grade
on a guy, I don't you know, it's all take
the off the field stuff and the you know that
comes later in terms of my assessment and go to
TV things like that when I write hear stories, and
I have to be honest with you, I found out
a lot more. I expected him to fall out of
day one. I'd heard the Giants like Jackson Dart, so
(38:17):
I expected the Giants and the Saints to be the
two teams that tried to trade up into the first
round kind of battle each other for Jackson Dart. That
was my expectation. I thought Schador could go in there
somewhere if maybe the Browns traded up for him. But really,
you know, I've had him at twenty nine, twenty four
to twenty one. Oh. I thought that Steelers at one
point I thought that was going to be a hit,
and then I had some intel late that it probably
(38:39):
was not going to be The Steelers well, once I
factor that in, I thought, man, he's probably going to
slide out of the first round because the Steelers are
really the only spot form to me. Then I found
out afterwards that to your point, Doug, he had very
few teams to even interviewed with, Like you just you know,
you weren't on his list, and and you weren't interviewing
(39:01):
viewing him, and then you know, not being able to
get through, not being willing to get through questions about install,
questions about you know, working through the install, working through
the whiteboard. In terms of where to go at the ball,
where to do this he asked, apparently asked one team, well,
what are you going to do? Just surround me with
weapons and offensive line, just stuff that you just you know,
(39:22):
you're just there to be, you know, it's a job interview.
I mean, I understand the brash confidence and all that stuff,
but I think he was his own worst enemy and
in many ways, and so what happened was once he
slid out of the you know, really out of the
top forty, you know, the quarterback needy teams for drafting,
A lot of teams who might have considered drafting him didn't.
They just didn't have the intel they needed because they
(39:43):
had not been able to get the you know, they
had not been able to have the meetings, figure out
his football intelligence, figure out his you know, they just
get a feel for the person because they hadn't ha
had to have those opportunities to find out who he was. So,
you know, once you're pass the first two rounds, you
should be on the board for about fourteen teams. And
(40:03):
I don't think that was the case with chand or Sanders.
I think a lot of teams like we just you know,
a we don't know enough about him, and of course
do you want to deal with everything that potentially comes
with it, which was that, you know, each team had
to make their own assessment if that was overvalued or
that was a real problem.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Lanser I joined us here in the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, let's talk about some other teams.
The Green Bay Packers drafted a wide receiver in the
first round, and obviously the place erupted erupted. Okay, but
now there's a lot of pressure on Matthew Golden and
they have this super deep wide receiver room. What are
(40:44):
your thoughts on the Packers draft, well, they.
Speaker 5 (40:47):
Have a super deep wide receiver room with a bunch
of guys that have trouble catching the football. So I mean,
how deep are you if you just have a bunch
of drops. That's kind of my concern. And I had
Matthew Golan in my last mock draft, you know, track
to the Packers, and everyone gave me crap about it.
But the fact is, at some point, when you give
quarterbacks as much money as you're giving them now, you
(41:08):
really have no choice but to make sure. We saw
it with Lamar Jackson. We've seen him with Josh Allen
at different times, and you know, now there's a question
about his buffalo doing enough for Josh Allen. Now, with
Stefon Diggs gone, you've got to, you know, you got to.
You got to load up with with some talent for
these super expensive quarterbacks. And I think that they what
they wanted to do is Matthew Golden's basically they're saying, look,
(41:30):
we got too many guys who dropped the ball that
are not consistent. Their contracts will be up in a
couple of years. Let's get another guy in here that
that can turn into potentially a one Even though I
think Golden's more of a two. Let's you know, let's
see if we can find a guy that really meshes
with Jordan loves Now save On Williams, who they drafted
in the third round. You know, he's he is a
not a good route runner. He is not a true
(41:52):
wide receiver. What he is is like a Cordero Patterson
type player who you just get the ball in his hands.
He is a dynamic and incredible athlete, great beat, super explosive,
loose limb. But he's not really a route runner, so
he's kind a he's kind of a specialist. I'm interested
to see how the Packers utilize him, but I think
it's really become what we're seeing dougas teams understand, man,
(42:15):
we're payings fifty and sixty million to these quarterbacks. We
have to get something out of him. And that's why,
you know, that's why Jacksonville moves up and targets Travis Hunter.
That's why Brian Thomas was the first runner for Jacksonville.
That's why every team that has a young quarterback. You
look at the Bears went tight end and wide receiver
with their first two picks. All these team with young quarterbacks,
(42:36):
and teams with super expensive quarterbacks are saying, let's make
sure we give them the best chance possible.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
All right, cam Ward, what's his likely to success?
Speaker 5 (42:47):
I think it's pretty good. He's all about ball, loves
football always. I've always known that about him. That's been
you know, that was told to me by scout when
he was at Washington State. He's very serious about ball.
He's a guy who came up from from the mum.
As they say, with incarnate word zero star prospect hungry,
doesn't take anything for granted. He's got a plus plus arm,
(43:09):
can fit the ball in the tight windows. There's times
where his game reminds me of Brett Barb in terms
of the high end stuff, and then the mistakes that
he's willing to make that really hurts his team. So
there's there's the plus and the minus in terms of
what that's you know of how that goes. But when
you start talking about his ability to extend plays and
make big time throws into tight windows on all three levels,
(43:32):
he's number one. Like he is the guy, and there's
no one else in this draft to really come close
to that. His issue is going to be have to
be he has to eliminate his desire to play that
hero ball. The longer he stays off schedule, the worse
the decision making gets sometimes, so that's going to have
to be coached out of him. I'd like to see
him use his legs more. He tries to, you know,
(43:53):
stay in the pocket and keep passes alive too much.
At some point pull it down and go, you know,
just pull it down and go and get to the
next play. But he's got talent. He can throw ourpos
he can throw with some accuracy when his feet are right.
And I like the fact that he's really you got
to put some one on him not to go on him.
(44:14):
In other words, he's going to attack down the field.
You can dial that back a little bit. Guys who
are super conservative, that's a mindset that you can't change,
you know. And I think you'd agree, Doug. You've been
around sports long enough to know there's some guys that
you know, man, he's going to cut it loose, and
there's I always say it's like this, you got two
people at a blackjack table, one who's shuffling hips back
(44:36):
into their pocket because they want to minimize the risk
over a little profit. And then you got the guys
that can, you know, turn it into a twenty or
thirty thousand dollars runt because they get hot and they're
pressing and they're taking chances. Cam Wod is a guy
who's going to take his chances. And there's some negative
that comes with it, but you know what, you can
also win at a high level when you have a
quarterback like.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
That Lanser Lane John against Here Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox
Sports Radio. You were most impressed with which team's draft?
Speaker 5 (45:03):
I think the Bears did a good job. Loveland, Luther Burden.
I mean those guys. Loveland I thought was right there
with Tyler Warren. I had no problem with him being
the first tight end. Luther Burden was high value at
thirty nine. I thought, other than Travis Hunter, Burden is
actually the best wide receiver in the draft. Schamar Turner
and Ozzie Trapillo, guys they got in the second round.
(45:24):
I thought their second round picks were were really really good.
They got a kid in the fist is Off Frasier,
who is a lot like Tarik wooland coming out of
UTSA a couple of years ago, he has you know,
he's been in college football for six years, but he
just has one year where he really put it all together,
coming from you know, smaller schools. He's tall, he's fast,
and he has tremendous ball skills. I thought that I
(45:45):
thought that the Tampa Bay Bucks did a great job.
The Mecca Oak at BUCA, Benjamin Morris in the cornerback
out of Notre Dame, Jacob Parrish another corner out of
Kansas State who I think is highly underrated as a
third round pick, and they got a couple of rushers
and David Walker and Elijah Roberts. I thought they did
a really nice job with only having six picks. I
(46:06):
thought they came away with a really good draft. And then,
you know, honestly, I think you have to look at
what the forty nine ers. The forty nine ers did
a pretty good job as well as the New England Patriots.
Patriots came away with a very good defensive tackle who
dropped a little bit for medicals, Josh Farmer, Kyle Williams
and Treyvon Henderson. Are you kidding me? You get Kyle
(46:27):
Williams at sixty nine and Traygion Henderson at thirty eight,
and then of course you know, you attacked your offensive
line Will Campbell. I don't love the fact that they
had to reach a little bit at four for Will Campbell.
But when you're desperate, you know, when you're desperate and
you don't have a position locked up or at least
solidified where you don't have to reach, and that's what happens,
you have to draft a certain position. It was not
(46:48):
a great year to need tackle, so they really had
no choice but to take a tackle there. You couldn't
wait until second round.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
Lance's awesome stuff man, great balance to analysis before the draft,
during the draft, after the draft. I really appreciate join
us on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 5 (47:02):
Yeah, you got to appreciate it.
Speaker 8 (47:02):
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(00:25):
the TIRA. Excuse me, comeing to you from from beautiful
Green Bay, Wisconsin. What a great day we have for you,
awesome show, tremendous sports weekend. We'll do most of the
NFL Draft this hour, little NBA at the back end
(00:48):
of the hour, all the all the regular participants are here,
so welcome in. I'm just I'm really happy you guys
could all make it. We had a great week last week,
I mean Draft week in Green Bay, Wisconsin. I felt
like it was something super super special, super special, and
(01:09):
we just posted out this video of the event. We
had that Frank Calliando, Dan Patrick and so many others.
My guy Tom Telesco came by for it. Was It
was good to see so many and you know, when
you're in Green Bay, generally people do show up for
Packers games, but otherwise you have to go visit others
as opposed to them coming to visit you. That was
different last week. If you think back in your life,
(01:35):
even if you think back in the past couple of years,
I guarantee, or I don't guarantee, Yeah, I guarantee there's
something that you're like, I can't believe I cared that
much about it at the time. And that's where I
think we are with with Shador Sanders, right. Like, I
(01:59):
know there were a draft picks I do. I'm completely
aware that there are other draft picks. I just didn't
hear about any of them last weekend. There was so
much noise about Shador so much, and it just it
makes it hard for us to even have some sort
(02:21):
of sense of who did well, who did poorly. What's
the rest of the draft look like. I know, within
your own team you're probably very very well versed as
to who they got, But in terms of in totality,
that draft was made a mess by Shador Sanders on
(02:43):
many draft boards. And we're talking about in mock drafts
not having to do with the NFL had him going
somewhere in the first round and he ends up falling
to the fifth round. If you compile that with the
fact that he wasn't even the first quarterback the Browns took.
They took Dylan Gabriel in the third round, you start
(03:07):
to stop and think to yourself, holy cow, Like that
is just the weirdest pick ever. Even though the Browns
don't have a quarterback. The old expression is if you
have two quarterbacks, you don't have one. What if he
have five? You know, what if you have five? They
gave Joe Flacco legit money. Joe Flacco's went a Super Bowl,
(03:28):
Joe Flaco's shown himself to be the consonman backup. Right,
they have the albatross contract of Deshaun Watson. They also
went out and signed Kenny Pickett right, who is a
former first round draft pick. He's been mostly a career
(03:50):
backup after his time starting in Pittsburgh. So when he
signs a contract with the Cleveland Browns, granted not a
big contract two point six million dollars, but he has
a couple of years as a starter under his belt. Like,
(04:13):
you start to look and go like they might keep three,
but which three are they going to keep because you
can't cut Deshaun Watson. Obviously he's not gonna be healthy,
he's gonna be on the ir Then you have a
bunch of others. What do you do with those? But
(04:34):
I just think we're gonna look at this thing and go, Man,
we cared way, way, way too much about shud Door Sanders.
Actually mel Kiper cared way too much about Shudor Sanders.
Here's mel kiper Junior late in the draft.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Well you're not you don't have to sell it to me. No,
what we're talking about, Right.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
You're right, Yes, you're right.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
But you know what, but the but the draft has
spoken that's right.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
That that's the key mail.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
It's not.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
It's not putting a value judgment of whether those vas
play right or wrong.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
They did. So.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
Now, whenever you're in circumstances in life, whether you like them,
whether you don't like them, whether they're fair or whether they're.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Unfair, you might have to deal with them.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
And now Shadeer Sandman has to deal with every for
whatever reason, whether he played a minute, microscopic percentage, zero percentage,
or it's a legitimate criticism of the way he conducted
himself during the draft process. This was the result. Now
he has an opportunity to answer it. There's not I mean,
I think yelling at the NFL about it, it's not
(05:39):
not a quarterback at boomer size and was not happy
when he was the second round there.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
They dropped. How'd they turn out?
Speaker 4 (05:46):
And put the argument by that, by that can happen
race The NFL has been clueless for fifteen years when
it comes.
Speaker 6 (05:54):
To evaluating quarterback clueless.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I have no idea what they're doing. There's an evaluating quarterback.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
That's the proof of that.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
How many I we know exactly what we're talking about
with quarterbacks?
Speaker 2 (06:04):
They don't.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
He's right, He's right. Mel also did not have failed
to point out that he's gotten some He's got plenty
of picks wrong in terms of what somebody's evail is.
The mel kiper junior aspect of it is really interesting
because I do think he belongs in the in the
Pro Football Hall of Fame, as Dan Patrick suggested going
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back to last week. But I also think that and look,
this is a mel either continues on or almost feels
like a seminal moment where you're like, yeah, it might
be time to put that one out to pasture and
and there's a couple of reasons why. But I was
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told this last week that you know, at his peak,
he was amazing, but he's passed his peak. And the
reason is they've had so much turnover in terms of
general manager. He used to know talk to travel to
see everybody. Mel for twenty five years has been a
(07:08):
little bit of a recluse because he's had issues with traveling.
Got some very minor in terms of health issues that
I know about, but it does limit his ability to travel,
and so he's not really as connected in the league
as he used to be, and that's why he's so
off on this one. Who in the hell is Mel Kuiper? Yeah,
(07:28):
I mean, look, he was the guy and now there
are copies of a copy and there are other guys
that do film study, but that one was hard to watch.
Who's like personally bothered by it? And I think that
the tough part about Shador is he doesn't present himself
as crazy, likable. Matter of fact, it's the opposite of that.
(07:49):
It's the opposite of that. This is bu Marosiya said
on his New York radio show earlier today, talking about
the reason behind Shador slide.
Speaker 7 (07:57):
Shador Sanders just torpedoed himself his attitude off the field
at the Combine. His dad didn't help him either. You know,
he was on podcast talking about this is my son.
If I can get him to where I want to
get him to, I'm going to do that. But you know,
when you listen to this kid talk right prior or
at the combine about it, if you want a new
culture in your locker room, I'm the guy to do that.
(08:17):
I can turn it around. I mean, he's very high
on himself, and I think he was very off, pitting off,
putting too many many coaches and general managers in the league.
And I'm telling you right now, and I know this
after talking to three different personnel people in the NFL
this weekend. They didn't even have him on his board
on their board. They took him off, and they took
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them off because the owner said, take them off. I
don't want that guy. I don't want this entitled person
on our team. And I don't blame him.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Yeah, I mean again, I think when you read scouts
views on him, there's a missing amount of arm talent
athletic talent as well, But that can be made up
for when if you're somebody that everybody loves, and I've
heard people say, well, you didn't say this about it's
(09:09):
not true. It's just not true. Stop it. Everyone knows
it not to be true. It's the most criticized and
praised position in all of sports. So please don't say
that it's because of this, that's because of that. Additionally,
there's plenty of video out there, and none of the
video presents himself as somebody who's humble, hardworking, understood, gets it. Okay,
(09:35):
he's the embodiment of an entitled jerk he is. Now,
whether that's an actor that's who he really is, I
don't know, and I don't care. I'm telling you though,
that all of the things you're hearing is just confirmation
biased when you see it on TV, when you watch
it in games. And I don't evaluate quarterbacks for a living.
(09:56):
Did I think that he would step up and make
big plays? Sure, but it was all and dunk. He
did have the best wide receiver in the country. He
did only play for his dad ever in football, you know,
growing up as a kid, into high school, into college
two different colleges. Always played for his dad. So there's
a daddy ball element to it, and his dad was obnoxious,
(10:18):
and he like the only reason the Browns could have
drafted him was the owner stepped in said draft him
when he blew off the Browns in their meeting. You
guys have all heard the stories by now, and all
the stories may not be true, but if half of
them are, that's probably enough. No one says you have
to cow town. You have to cow to it. You
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have to bow your head to people, you have to No,
you could be confident, you can be respectful. You can't
be an a hole, and he presented himself as one,
and you're not town enough to overcome the perception of
him being a negative. It's just not.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
So.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
I feel like we're gonna look back and go I
can't believe so many were so invested in this. You know,
we're so invested in it. It's a little bit like
Ross and Rachel when they broke up. You know, you
had to know in a TV series they were gonna
get back together. It's a little bit like the start
(11:23):
of a Mission Impossible movie. Tom Cruise is going to
make it through the movie, no matter what the stunt is,
no matter how unbelievable, is Tom Cruise gonna make it
through the movie? Yet? In that first opening scene when
he does some ridiculous stunt, you're stating yourself going like,
I don't know, is he gonna make it? Yeah, it's
the first fifteen minutes of the movie. He's gonna be
there an hour forty five in, you know, unless he dies.
(11:47):
They do a flashback, which doesn't feel like an MI.
I feel we're gonna look back five ten years from
now and you're gonna find some diamond in the rough
who went in the twenty twenty five draft, and you're
gonna think to yourself, how have I how'd that guy?
How did I not know this was happening? And the
answer is really simple, Shoodoor Sanders. We cared way too
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much about a guy who is just taking too much
of our too much of our time.
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sure you had a NHL hockey Although none of us
watch it, it doesn't mean it doesn't matter. It just
doesn't matter. There was golf, although I didn't watch it.
There was baseball. I watched a little bit of it.
There's also college baseball. There's NBA basketball in playoffs, and
there's the NFL Draft. What we do every Monday at
this time is recap all things from the weekend. We
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call it love and hate.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
What did you love?
Speaker 1 (13:29):
God? I love you?
Speaker 2 (13:30):
And what did you hate?
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Meet these player hay is love love love Hey Hey
eight love love love Hey Hey Hay. Let's get to
what we loved from the weekend, It says Dan Byer,
(13:56):
I'll let you start.
Speaker 6 (13:58):
Doug a lot of talk about Sanders this past weekend,
and I'll tell you what for all of the negativity
and everything that came out through the process, and I'm
not saying that he wasn't at fault for any of it,
I liked and loved that he was excited when he
did get drafted, that it wasn't this disappointment that there
(14:20):
was him dancing with the Browns hat that he is
going to the NFL, because that ultimately is what it
is all about. And obviously it was disappointment for him,
and I know people were rooting for him to not
get drafted at all. But I did like to see
that he didn't pout, he didn't just put a hat
on and frowned, that he was at least excited to
(14:43):
be drafted, and I was happy to see that. I
think even went ran and jumped at a pool because
I wondered what the reaction was going to be, if
there was going to be any reaction after the type
of weekend that it was, so I loved seeing Schador
Sanders get excited despite what had happened the previous two
day that he was being drafted by the Brons of
the fifth round.
Speaker 8 (15:02):
I like to piggyback on that. I like to piggyback
this is also my love, but for the opposite reason
Dan just mentioned. I know there were people rooting for
him to not get drafted at all.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
That's me.
Speaker 8 (15:12):
I'm in that group. I'm in the group that Emmanual
Acho felt the need to go on his Instagram story
and admonish for celebrating the slide of Shador Sanders. That
was me. I was doing that. And then when RG
three went on his Twitter account and said, I can't
believe there are people in this world that are rooting
for this guy to slide, I raised my hand and
(15:34):
was cheering. I loved watching the draft this week. I
don't remember the last time I watched Saturday of a draft.
In fact, I don't even know if I have ever.
I watched it this time, loved it.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Okay, what about you there? I was him.
Speaker 9 (15:51):
Bill Belichick sat down with CBS Sunday Morning News yesterday,
and he really is the gift that keeps on giving.
I didn't see the full interview, but I caught some
of the clips that where he was Bill was asked
about him and his girlfriend Jordan. Here's just a little snippet.
Was very awkward and very entertaining.
Speaker 8 (16:11):
How did you guys meet?
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Not talking about this?
Speaker 8 (16:14):
No, No, it's a topic neither one of them is
comfortable commenting on.
Speaker 9 (16:19):
What's so funny is that she's sitting right there and
Bill's asked the question, and she's the one who pipes
in all of twenty four years old that she is,
and she's like, no, I'm set in the rules. We're
not talking about this. I was under the understanding that
they met on a plane. I think we all were right.
That's what made it so. And now we're all wondering, intriguing.
Right now, we're wondering, how did they really meet? Is
(16:42):
it something more scandalous? I mean, like, we're not talking
about it.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Isn't that a very normal question to ask?
Speaker 9 (16:48):
Sure, Like, oh, you're getting married, congratulations? How did you
How did you two meet? Oh we met at at
a pool. We met at actually a party for my
friend with mutual friends. So now everyone's wondering by not
answering that, yes, how did you actually meet, but that
there were other things in that interview, And Bill is
just so awkward. He stands there, he just stares at you,
(17:09):
like no emotions whatsoever. He's like, he's such a good
poker face, but it is so awkward.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Blank, Yes, do.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
You know the Bob Kraft?
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Are you being?
Speaker 6 (17:21):
And you mentioned that as well, like there was It
was because he was asked why Robert Kraft wasn't mentioned
in the book at all, and in Belichick's response was
it was just classic Belichick was another another high point
of the interview.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
I can't see to fight any here, but we.
Speaker 6 (17:39):
Tape a CBS Sunday morning, let's say constant record, so
every Sunday.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
So it was good. So last night it was like, oh,
all right, we've got it.
Speaker 6 (17:47):
So I ended up watching the whole thing.
Speaker 8 (17:48):
If you're Bill Belichick, why do you write a book?
You've got more money than your grand kids could spend
and you are currently ployed, you've never written a book before?
Why why write just a generic book?
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Was written last it was written last year? Why he's
out of a job.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
What what is the what's the win? And writing a
book at this point for Bill make money?
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (18:15):
More money?
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Yeah, yeah, I'm sure there's also when he's writing the book,
he didn't know if he was going to make any more,
if he's going to get a job, right, that's a possibility,
It's absolute possibility.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Now look at him.
Speaker 9 (18:33):
He's he's got a job and a smoking hot young girlfriend.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
He's living the life.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Running Bill, Bill, Run, run away.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
She starts answering questions on your behalf. What's next?
Speaker 1 (18:46):
She starts answering questions on your behalf, like, uh.
Speaker 6 (18:50):
Here, can I can? I can I play the Bob Craft?
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (18:54):
Here the exchange about Bob Craft?
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Here it is, I have to ask Bob Robert Kraft
because twenty four years together, six super Bowls.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
He's not in this book?
Speaker 2 (19:06):
How come he's not.
Speaker 7 (19:09):
Well?
Speaker 8 (19:09):
Again, it's about my life lessons in football, and it's
really more about the ones that I experienced directly. He's
not even in the acknowledgment section.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Correct, correct you saw that?
Speaker 8 (19:25):
You?
Speaker 1 (19:27):
He directed?
Speaker 9 (19:28):
His voice had just a sliver of like, yeah you
saw that, didn't you?
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Yes? Yes?
Speaker 8 (19:33):
Are we presumed by that that he didn't bring up
anybody else's name the entire book. He just talked about himself.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Listen, no, no, no, no, But his thing, I mean again,
his out is it's about football and my stories whatever
like Bob Craft just owns the team doesn't really have
to do with football.
Speaker 6 (19:50):
Remember Bob Kraft kept Tom Brady around when Belichick wanted
Jimmy g when they were letting Bill go. And at
the end of this interview which you will see, the
interviewer said that you were fired, and Bill was like
it was a mutual decision. And when Belichick announced or
(20:11):
when they announced that he was not going to be returning,
Bob Kraft tried to give him a hug and Belichick
stonewall them. And then Kraft goes, he's got a cold,
so he doesn't want to get too close, Like there
are some hard feelings between Bob Kraft and Bill Belichick.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Do you think, yeah, hell yeah, there are what I
love for the weekend. I love my adopt in town
man Green Bay, Green Bay, Wisconsin. Me and I can't
do I can't do it Gruden. But that was a
that was a Gruden sort of reaction. Over six hundred
thousand people, just a good time. And then you know,
(20:50):
Saturday is the kind of like you got to be
a grinder if you're there all three days. He there Saturday,
you don't know half those guys. But it was packed Saturday,
and it was beautiful as well. What a great weekend
for the NFL, But what a great weekend for green
Bay and the Fox Valley and all the surrounding areas.
Pretty stellar stuff. And you know, went off pretty much
(21:12):
without a hitch. I mean, traffic wasn't bad. The weather
during all three days during the actual draft was fine.
So yeah, kudos to kudos to green Bay for doing
what many said would struggle to be done, could struggle
to be done, We'll struggle to be Okay, what we
(21:36):
hate from the weekend hates a strong word, but these
are strong comments. Let's start with a resident hater, Jason Stewart.
Speaker 8 (21:43):
Saquon Barkley was seen getting off a plane with President
Trump yesterday, supposedly to play a round of golf before
the Eagles met with the President today. If I'm not mistaken,
Jalen Hurts had a scheduling conflict. The second Squon was
shown getting off the plane, he started getting ridiculed for
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being with the president. So Saquon Barkley took to social
media today, L some people are really upset because I
played golf and food of the White House with the President.
Maybe I just respect the office. Not a hard concept
to understand. Just golfed with Obama not too long ago,
(22:26):
and look forward to finishing my round with Trump. Now
you get out of my mentions with all you politics
and have an amazing day. Yes, if you are one
of the losers who criticize Saquon Barkley for respecting the
office and going to the White House to celebrate a
major accomplishment, you are again a loser. And your side
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of things is always talking about the diminishing of our institutions.
We don't respect our institutions, and now you're criticizing somebody
for respect in the institution of the White House, of
the executive branch. That seems like a big what would
you call it.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Hypocrisy?
Speaker 8 (23:13):
Hypocrisy to me?
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Thank you, camp Buyer.
Speaker 6 (23:18):
It's funny because usually like stuff like that, it's must
be a late afternoon meeting because I haven't seen the
clips littered yet with the team around there. But I
knew it was today. I knew that they were visiting
today because of everything that Jason mentioned.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
What I hated was last night.
Speaker 6 (23:35):
It was a lot to hate about the bucks lost
to the Indiana Pacers, most notably the Damian Lillard injury
and the entire crumbling of a franchise before our eyes.
But I will actually go a different angle on this.
Bucks wise, NBA TNT does a great job, and they
have a segment that we've all seen throughout games. Maybe
(23:55):
we pay attention, maybe we don't. It's called inside tracks,
where you hear a miked up player talk with his team.
And last night there was a point where Bobby Portis
got a technical foul for taunting Aaron Nesmith of the
Indiana Pacers because Portis tried to get the ball and
(24:17):
Nie Smith was on the ground and held it away
from him. They reviewed it and gave Portis a technical
There was a little brewjaja when they went to the
audio of the of the behind the scenes. None of
that aired whatsoever. All it was was, let's go, let's go.
You got a rebound, you gotta hustle back. Remember we've
(24:39):
talked about this before with coaches being got a rebound,
you know, screaming to the fans, let's go there. It
is NBA inside try like I wanted to hear what
was going on. Bleep it all out. Let's give us
some of that. That's the whole point of miking someone
up that maybe, just maybe you get that inside gold
(25:00):
and we had it and they did not take advantage
of it, and then it just made me sour on
the whole idea of micing someone up if you're not
going to provide that sort of content to your viewers completely.
I mean, I walked like the bucks were even close.
But it gave me something to watch for a while
and hopes that maybe something would happen, but no, nothing whatsoever,
(25:24):
and that wasn't included, and that was very disappointing.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Sam.
Speaker 9 (25:29):
My hate of the weekend was the prank phone call
on shoulder the uh listen and you you mentioned this earlier, Doug,
I didn't know Cooper dejene had been pranked in last
year's draft and that's horrible too. But you know, no
matter how much you don't like Shadoor Sanders, you may
think he's you know, arrogant whatever, unseerious. When a guy
(25:54):
is sort of falling like that, you're kicking him when
you're down when you do something like that. And you
know the way that this this Jack's Olbrick got the
number like off of an open iPad from his dad,
who's the defensive coordinator of the Falcons. It was just gross.
It just was it was cruel and and you know,
you don't kick a guy when he's down. Uh So
I did not like that. No matter what I think
(26:16):
about Shudour Sanders, I just thought that that was that
was just tasteless and the idea itself just went way
too far. And now that you know, because this is
a further this is a reflection on society swatting and people,
you know, pranking, people scamming with certain ways like arik,
using certain area codes that aren't theres. I remember a
couple of years ago, I got a call that was
(26:38):
said it was my boss's number, and I answered it.
It was a prank call from somebody I knew who
happened to have my number and my boss's number, and
I was I felt so betrayed by this, and it
took me a long time to trust this person again.
So that kind of stuff grosses me out, and just
from experience, I just I just think that that was
and he apologized and we'll push on with this, we'll
move on with life.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
But to me that I hated it. I felt real bad.
Speaker 9 (27:00):
I felt really bad for Shoulder, even if he probably himself,
just kind of was like, whatever, we have the audio.
If you guys want to hear it, don't do our
listeners want to hear It's thirty seconds. Let's let's give
it a quick listen.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
This is Mickey Loomis here jam of the Thanks.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
How you doing good? How are you? Man?
Speaker 5 (27:16):
Good?
Speaker 1 (27:16):
I've been waiting on you. Yeah we have. It's been
a long waiting man, No for sure. And I'll take
you with our next year right here.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Man, Yeah, all right, but you're.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
Gonna have to wait a little bit longer.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
And nasty.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Okay, that greated go.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
What does that mean?
Speaker 5 (27:36):
What what do you say?
Speaker 1 (27:37):
I don't know?
Speaker 7 (27:38):
Are you at me?
Speaker 5 (27:39):
And he was on the phone.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
You heard that.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
He said you're gonna have to wait a little long
so he was confused.
Speaker 9 (27:44):
It sounded like I don't know how personally he took
it or if his feelings were hurt, but I just
thought it was gross and you know what, young men
do that stuff. I remember prank calling people, but it
was usually like, uh, you know, hey, is your refrigerator
on or is the refrigerator running? And then they go, uh, yes,
well you I got to go catch it then, and
it was like dumb stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
So now this is a little bit more personal.
Speaker 6 (28:06):
Uh, when I was younger, I was just gonna say,
when I was younger, the Davy four football practice started,
we called like the good players from other teams because
they were in the phone book. We called their home
and were had told of the show up at six
am for an early meeting because they're going to be
leaders on this team. So we'd be like, hey, hey, Thomas, coach,
(28:30):
I need you in the office at six am, and
we don't we know one person bought it, but we
called about four or five because everyone's name was in
the phone book, even neighboring towns, you could find their
number of the phone book, and we did do that.
But that was I was thirty years ago.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
So I think that that's time is.
Speaker 9 (28:48):
Passed, right, the old, the old, the old just looking
up numbers in a phone book and just calling some
guy because his last name is like coming at six am.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
He's gonna go over some leadership stuff.
Speaker 8 (28:57):
And we all like the jerky boys, right, we all
went through a jerky boys face in the nineties.
Speaker 9 (29:03):
And cranky anchors and all that stuff, and yeah, that
was a hoot. But this this one was just too
It was just too personal. It was just like, you
don't screw on with people like that, and especially when
they're grea free fall.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
I thought it. I thought I was messed up. I
thought was messed up, you know.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
Uh.
Speaker 9 (29:17):
And then and then if you're that Jack's uh olbrick kid,
you know you're on video. This is the thing about
today is like people want to do these kind of
pranks or these whatever things for social media, things for TikTok,
and they can't do it anonymously because they have to
get credit. So they had just done it and said, oh,
we did that, we did that, and then we just
keep it to ourselves and talk about it amongst our friends.
(29:39):
We have the cording of it, but it's like, you
gotta put it on video because it's got to go
on social media. You're gonna you're gonna suffer the consequences
for that because we have we're very good about identifying
people these days, even if it's a blurry video.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Okay, Uh, I'll tell you something I hate. Last last
Monday or no to maybe two Mondays ago, I was like, hey, guys,
take a snapshot. Angels are in first place. Yeah, Angels
have lost through in row. They got swept by the Twins.
Matter of fact, I believe they've lost all but two
(30:12):
series so far this year. They've lost tend their last
thirteen games and now twelve and fifteen a for being
well over five hundred. Again, it's not surprising, but it's
just it's like every year on repeat, right, decent start,
we got a chance. Let me know, Jay stewhen Mike
Trout gets hurt, because that's the next thing to happen,
right usually, Yeah, yeah, unfortunately, and that's love and hate.
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(31:09):
Give me your thoughts on the shador thing, on how
it really took over took over the draft.
Speaker 6 (31:14):
Yeah, I actually think that there are some parallels to
what happened in the NBA Draft last summer. Not a
great draft class at all. I mean it was Zachar
Rezache that went number one overall in the draft. And
we really didn't pay much mind to a lot of
the players in the NBA Draft, but we did pay
attention to Bronnie James, and I felt like that was
(31:36):
this situation. There weren't a lot of guys headline makers
in this draft. It was a bad draft class, something
that we've talked about for weeks on this show. So
then when you have a player who was really one
of the players that you were to talk about, one
of the very select few, then have the fall that
he did, I think it naturally then just overtook the
(31:58):
entire weekend.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Yeah it was, I mean it was the whole I mean,
it really did overtake the whole weekend. It was like
because it didn't happen the first day, it didn't happen
the second day, and they're like wow, yeah, I mean,
and then you know, Sunday was left to kind of
clean up Aisle six and what was the biggest storyline.
Speaker 6 (32:16):
It had to be that one, you know, and you're
hearing you off the top and we were even talking
in the breaks. I think all of us have like
different opinions whatever on the Kuiper situation. I actually think
it was a huge win for ESPN and whether Kuiper
was right or wrong, and he was obviously wrong on
the evaluation of shud Or Sanders, but he wasn't the
only one. But isn't that part of what mel Kuiper is.
(32:39):
I mean, we had a was it, I feel a
draft or I got DIBs where we were talking draft
moments and we're still playing the mel Kuiper cut from
thirty years ago. So I think that obviously, obviously, like
those misjudgments haven't hurt his career at all. And so
I actually think that outside of shed Or Sanders, mel
(33:01):
Kiper was the second most talked about person at this
NFL draft. And if I'm ESPN, I actually am happy
about it because now next year people are going to say, well,
what's mel gonna say this year? Or who does Mel have?
Is he gonna hit or miss? And I think it
can you know, becomes more of a conversation.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Yeah, it's It's a really good way of looking at it.
I think that the point the difference is when you
take a guy it's like almost better for him if
a guy goes earlier than he should then if he
calls out the whole league and basically calls the league idiots. Sure,
you know, I don't know what they're doing, Like okay, I.
Speaker 6 (33:41):
Always think he's fighting for respect too, even after all
these years, because he's not been on he's not on
the other side of the velvet rope. Wasn't a scout
like Daniel Jeremiah, not in the front office. He's kind
of been the I don't want to say the outsider
because it doesn't feel right. But he's not an NFL
personnel guy, and I feel that he's Maybe there's like
(34:01):
a bit of an insecurity in that, and that came
out even after all of these years of doing it.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
But I don't know if that's it. I really don't
know if that's it. You know, there's a bunch of
different thoughts on what it could be. Look, I've worked
enough with Bell to know he's a as a person,
a gem of a guy. Sure, everybody really likes him.
I don't think it's that insecurity. I think it's one
of two things. He just couldn't believe it, or he's
(34:30):
like you know. One of the things Mel does is
Mel is not an old school personnel guy.
Speaker 5 (34:36):
Right.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
He doesn't like have out his notebook and go to
college games and grade stuff out. He talks to people
and he kind of gets consistency views from people that
he trusts. And I almost feel like this is sim
last Yana. I can't believe all these guys I trust
told me something that's not true. It's Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Let's catch up with Lancer Line,
NFL draft analysts for the NFL Media. For NFL Media.
(35:01):
The one name that kind of overtook all the NFL
draft was not the number one player taken in cam Ward. Instead,
it was Shador. What was your evail of Shador throughout
throughout the last couple of years at SeeU.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
Yeah, I had, you know, I didn't focus as much
on his twenty three tape. Usually I watched two years
on quarterbacks. I watched his touchdowns and his interceptions, and
that was about it. I watched one game from there,
but I thought he was a lot better in twenty four,
so I focused most of my evaluation. You know. Conversely,
I focused most of my evail on Quinn yours on
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twenty three, because I know he was hurt from much
twenty four. In terms of Shador, you know, it was
a pretty it was a pretty easy evail to me.
I thought I put a bottom of the second round
grade on him. I thought he was the second best
quarterback in this draft by cam Ward, who had a
high second round grade to late first round grade. Now,
(35:57):
from a projection standpoint, obviously, you know those guys typically
get pushed up a little bit if you're first and
second in the class. But you know, from an evaluation standpoint,
very average arm strength, very average off platform, adequate in
terms of timing, extremely accurate throws, a good accuracy, a
terrific poise in the pocket. He's got good pocket maneuverability,
(36:21):
so he can slide around the pocket. He's not the
fastest guy outside of the pocket, but in the pocket
he's pretty elusive. It takes way too many sacks, holds
onto it and plays he wrote ball way too often.
Has the ability to work all three levels, but needs
to work with timing. He's a player who's very tough
when he's in there, and he's extremely confident and you know,
brash airing and whatever you want to say. I like
(36:43):
the confidence in the pocket. He doesn't get easily rattled.
You get a sense that he's not trying to convince
himself that he's a tough quarterback. It's just it comes
naturally for him. So a lot of what I liked
about shuld Door Sanders had to do with intangibles, which
I don't minimize. I think a lot of times when
we look at wire quarterbacks see that we didn't expect.
It comes down to it tangibles. I think you have
(37:03):
to factor that in. But make no mistake, he's a
game manager who tries to play like a playmaker a
little bit too often. So the concern for me was
going to be could he not try to be prime son,
you know, his own brand and quote unquote, you know, legendary.
Can he be a guy that drives the ship? And
I had some concerns and I still do have concerns
(37:24):
about whether or not he can be okay just being
a game manager.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
And then you factor in the other parts, right, then
you factor in how he handled himself with teams. I
mean it's the there were only you know, I don't
know six seven teams that felt like they need to
starting caliber quarterback. And if you don't grade out as
one on some people's or you're on the board line
and then you blow off a couple of those six
(37:51):
or seven, you're almost asking for this sort of result,
aren't you.
Speaker 5 (37:57):
Yeah, Now, when it comes to me putting a grade
on a guy, I don't you know, it's all take
the off the field stuff and the you know that
comes later in terms of my assessment and go to
TV things like that when I write hear stories, and
I have to be honest with you, I found out
a lot more. I expected him to fall out of
day one. I'd heard the Giants like Jackson Dart, so
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I expected the Giants and the Saints to be the
two teams that tried to trade up into the first
round kind of battle each other for Jackson Dart. That
was my expectation. I thought Schador could go in there
somewhere if maybe the Browns traded up for him. But really,
you know, I've had him at twenty nine, twenty four
to twenty one. Oh. I thought that Steelers at one
point I thought that was going to be a hit,
and then I had some intel late that it probably
(38:39):
was not going to be The Steelers well, once I
factor that in, I thought, man, he's probably going to
slide out of the first round because the Steelers are
really the only spot form to me. Then I found
out afterwards that to your point, Doug, he had very
few teams to even interviewed with, Like you just you know,
you weren't on his list, and and you weren't interviewing
(39:01):
viewing him, and then you know, not being able to
get through, not being willing to get through questions about install,
questions about you know, working through the install, working through
the whiteboard. In terms of where to go at the ball,
where to do this he asked, apparently asked one team, well,
what are you going to do? Just surround me with
weapons and offensive line, just stuff that you just you know,
(39:22):
you're just there to be, you know, it's a job interview.
I mean, I understand the brash confidence and all that stuff,
but I think he was his own worst enemy and
in many ways, and so what happened was once he
slid out of the you know, really out of the
top forty, you know, the quarterback needy teams for drafting,
A lot of teams who might have considered drafting him didn't.
They just didn't have the intel they needed because they
(39:43):
had not been able to get the you know, they
had not been able to have the meetings, figure out
his football intelligence, figure out his you know, they just
get a feel for the person because they hadn't ha
had to have those opportunities to find out who he was. So,
you know, once you're pass the first two rounds, you
should be on the board for about fourteen teams. And
(40:03):
I don't think that was the case with chand or Sanders.
I think a lot of teams like we just you know,
a we don't know enough about him, and of course
do you want to deal with everything that potentially comes
with it, which was that, you know, each team had
to make their own assessment if that was overvalued or
that was a real problem.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Lanser I joined us here in the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, let's talk about some other teams.
The Green Bay Packers drafted a wide receiver in the
first round, and obviously the place erupted erupted. Okay, but
now there's a lot of pressure on Matthew Golden and
they have this super deep wide receiver room. What are
(40:44):
your thoughts on the Packers draft, well, they.
Speaker 5 (40:47):
Have a super deep wide receiver room with a bunch
of guys that have trouble catching the football. So I mean,
how deep are you if you just have a bunch
of drops. That's kind of my concern. And I had
Matthew Golan in my last mock draft, you know, track
to the Packers, and everyone gave me crap about it.
But the fact is, at some point, when you give
quarterbacks as much money as you're giving them now, you
(41:08):
really have no choice but to make sure. We saw
it with Lamar Jackson. We've seen him with Josh Allen
at different times, and you know, now there's a question
about his buffalo doing enough for Josh Allen. Now, with
Stefon Diggs gone, you've got to, you know, you got to.
You got to load up with with some talent for
these super expensive quarterbacks. And I think that they what
they wanted to do is Matthew Golden's basically they're saying, look,
(41:30):
we got too many guys who dropped the ball that
are not consistent. Their contracts will be up in a
couple of years. Let's get another guy in here that
that can turn into potentially a one Even though I
think Golden's more of a two. Let's you know, let's
see if we can find a guy that really meshes
with Jordan loves Now save On Williams, who they drafted
in the third round. You know, he's he is a
not a good route runner. He is not a true
(41:52):
wide receiver. What he is is like a Cordero Patterson
type player who you just get the ball in his hands.
He is a dynamic and incredible athlete, great beat, super explosive,
loose limb. But he's not really a route runner, so
he's kind a he's kind of a specialist. I'm interested
to see how the Packers utilize him, but I think
it's really become what we're seeing dougas teams understand, man,
(42:15):
we're payings fifty and sixty million to these quarterbacks. We
have to get something out of him. And that's why,
you know, that's why Jacksonville moves up and targets Travis Hunter.
That's why Brian Thomas was the first runner for Jacksonville.
That's why every team that has a young quarterback. You
look at the Bears went tight end and wide receiver
with their first two picks. All these team with young quarterbacks,
(42:36):
and teams with super expensive quarterbacks are saying, let's make
sure we give them the best chance possible.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
All right, cam Ward, what's his likely to success?
Speaker 5 (42:47):
I think it's pretty good. He's all about ball, loves
football always. I've always known that about him. That's been
you know, that was told to me by scout when
he was at Washington State. He's very serious about ball.
He's a guy who came up from from the mum.
As they say, with incarnate word zero star prospect hungry,
doesn't take anything for granted. He's got a plus plus arm,
(43:09):
can fit the ball in the tight windows. There's times
where his game reminds me of Brett Barb in terms
of the high end stuff, and then the mistakes that
he's willing to make that really hurts his team. So
there's there's the plus and the minus in terms of
what that's you know of how that goes. But when
you start talking about his ability to extend plays and
make big time throws into tight windows on all three levels,
(43:32):
he's number one. Like he is the guy, and there's
no one else in this draft to really come close
to that. His issue is going to be have to
be he has to eliminate his desire to play that
hero ball. The longer he stays off schedule, the worse
the decision making gets sometimes, so that's going to have
to be coached out of him. I'd like to see
him use his legs more. He tries to, you know,
(43:53):
stay in the pocket and keep passes alive too much.
At some point pull it down and go, you know,
just pull it down and go and get to the
next play. But he's got talent. He can throw ourpos
he can throw with some accuracy when his feet are right.
And I like the fact that he's really you got
to put some one on him not to go on him.
(44:14):
In other words, he's going to attack down the field.
You can dial that back a little bit. Guys who
are super conservative, that's a mindset that you can't change,
you know. And I think you'd agree, Doug. You've been
around sports long enough to know there's some guys that
you know, man, he's going to cut it loose, and
there's I always say it's like this, you got two
people at a blackjack table, one who's shuffling hips back
(44:36):
into their pocket because they want to minimize the risk
over a little profit. And then you got the guys
that can, you know, turn it into a twenty or
thirty thousand dollars runt because they get hot and they're
pressing and they're taking chances. Cam Wod is a guy
who's going to take his chances. And there's some negative
that comes with it, but you know what, you can
also win at a high level when you have a
quarterback like.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
That Lanser Lane John against Here Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox
Sports Radio. You were most impressed with which team's draft?
Speaker 5 (45:03):
I think the Bears did a good job. Loveland, Luther Burden.
I mean those guys. Loveland I thought was right there
with Tyler Warren. I had no problem with him being
the first tight end. Luther Burden was high value at
thirty nine. I thought, other than Travis Hunter, Burden is
actually the best wide receiver in the draft. Schamar Turner
and Ozzie Trapillo, guys they got in the second round.
(45:24):
I thought their second round picks were were really really good.
They got a kid in the fist is Off Frasier,
who is a lot like Tarik wooland coming out of
UTSA a couple of years ago, he has you know,
he's been in college football for six years, but he
just has one year where he really put it all together,
coming from you know, smaller schools. He's tall, he's fast,
and he has tremendous ball skills. I thought that I
(45:45):
thought that the Tampa Bay Bucks did a great job.
The Mecca Oak at BUCA, Benjamin Morris in the cornerback
out of Notre Dame, Jacob Parrish another corner out of
Kansas State who I think is highly underrated as a
third round pick, and they got a couple of rushers
and David Walker and Elijah Roberts. I thought they did
a really nice job with only having six picks. I
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thought they came away with a really good draft. And then,
you know, honestly, I think you have to look at
what the forty nine ers. The forty nine ers did
a pretty good job as well as the New England Patriots.
Patriots came away with a very good defensive tackle who
dropped a little bit for medicals, Josh Farmer, Kyle Williams
and Treyvon Henderson. Are you kidding me? You get Kyle
(46:27):
Williams at sixty nine and Traygion Henderson at thirty eight,
and then of course you know, you attacked your offensive
line Will Campbell. I don't love the fact that they
had to reach a little bit at four for Will Campbell.
But when you're desperate, you know, when you're desperate and
you don't have a position locked up or at least
solidified where you don't have to reach, and that's what happens,
you have to draft a certain position. It was not
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a great year to need tackle, so they really had
no choice but to take a tackle there. You couldn't
wait until second round.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
Lance's awesome stuff man, great balance to analysis before the draft,
during the draft, after the draft. I really appreciate join
us on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 5 (47:02):
Yeah, you got to appreciate it.
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