April 29, 2025 • 38 mins
On a Tuesday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug and Dan Beyer talk about the fall of the Milwaukee Bucks since their 2021 title, and speculate on what the team will do with star big man Giannis Antetokounmpo.
Doug welcomes L.A. Times NBA Reporter Dan Woike onto the show to talk about the Lakers and all of the other major headlines around the NBA.
Doug explains what makes Draymond Green good at his job and talks about the game four performance being a vintage Draymond game.
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App as car Boom one of America. Doug Gottlieb Show,
Fox Sports Radio coming to you from the tyrack dot
Com studios. Welcome in. It is a gorgeous day here
in northeast Wisconsin. Thunderstorms came through last night. It's a
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weird thing, right. So a year ago in sixteen days
or seventeen day or eighty I don't know how many days.
In April Africa, thirty days is September, April, June, November
sounds like it. All the rest have thirty one, except
February is twenty eight right there. So we had thirty
days anyway, sixteen days away from being the one year
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anniversary meet taking this job. When I got the job
as May fifteenth, it was warm outside, like you get
up at the hotel, you get outside, it's warm. This
is the first time I landed in Green Bay in
I don't know, four or five months, six months where Yeah,
it was that was nice. It was, it was nice,
it was it was enjoyable, won't I don't think it
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will be enjoyable for the Bucks tonight. But I think
that's where we should start, right, I truly think that's
where we should start. Where. You know, if you if
you look at tonight's games, we look at tonight's game,
you'll realize this is very possibly the last game of
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they honest era, and it's it's it's weird where we've
gone to in the NBA, right, It's weird where we've
gone to in the in the NBA. Where uh, in
the NBA, it's very very normal to go like, Okay,
I know you have two years left in your contract,
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but you should get out. You should get out of
that place. Have we ever thought that? I've seen this
on I saw I think Kendrick Perkins, I've seen others
discuss it where this is actually quite normal in the
NBA to go like, yeah, he should leave. Isn't that weird?
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I can't think of another place, another sport where it's
like that, where if the team doesn't look like he
can win a Championship. You're just supposed to go to
management and go like, hey, yeah, I'm ready to go,
and we can go back and trace and go like hey,
how do we get here? But I just think the
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whole thing is bizarre. But that is the reality of
the state of the NBA, where we're like, that's just
a normal if he doesn't and this goes to Damian
Lillard who previously when he was in Portland, he didn't
ask out of Portland, and because he didn't ask out
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of Portland, he was seen as some sort of hero
when that's kind of what you're supposed to do. I mean,
can you imagine if in any other workplace that was
the case, Whereas if you were just if you were
just somebody who or you're at a job, no matter
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what you did, you probably weren't going to be at
the best company for that where you're like, hey, I
just can't work any here anymore. Why well, we're just
not the very best. So if we're not the very best,
I can't do it. Like if you're if you're on
the set of a movie and the movie's not gonna
win an Academy Award, won't be nominated for the academorion.
You're like, yeah, I don't know why I'm not gonna
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win the Academy Award. Does that strike anybody else odd?
But that's exactly where we are as NBA fans. If
you can't win a championship with that team, you're supposed
to go to your management and go like, hey, I
need to go to a different team, or we can
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win a championship. And the one thing that's interesting about this,
and I've learned this obviously, you learned it in therapy,
where if you don't change behaviors in or or fix
some of the issues within your current relationship, even if
that relationship is going to come to an end, that's
those same things are going to pop up in your
next relationship. It's the same thing as basketball players. And
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that's why so many of these guys have gone team
to team to team searching for a team that win
a championship. Be like, why do you win a championship? Like, yeah,
it's the same thing that you did in the other place.
That doesn't allow you to win a championship there, didn't
allow you win a championship here, Buyer, you're from Wisconsin,
but you're also an avid NBA fan follower as well.
If this is in fact the the last of Giannis
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in Milwaukee, how would you characterize it.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
It's a really difficult question because of where we sit
right now, but ultimately you would say an absolute, no
doubt about it, no brainer, rousing success for the simple
fact of bringing home a championship, something that I never
thought would happen when I was alive for the Milwaukee Bucks,
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of winning an NBA title, and he was the reason
they won the NBA title and you can never take
that away from him. And the day that they drafted him.
If you were to say this is the plan, this
is how it lays out, I think every single Bucks
fan would take that route. So no doubt the tenure
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a rousing success. But sitting here today knowing what it's
likely going to happen tonight and then what could happen
in the future, it's it's a different feeling because of now.
Now rent is due, and that's that's the toughest part
about it.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yeah, yeah, I look, I think I don't know how
you feel about it. But if we're gonna look honestly
at the Bucks and Yannice and what he's supposed to
do the Bucks have done right by Giannis? They've tried
everything too much?
Speaker 3 (06:29):
So yeah, too much?
Speaker 2 (06:30):
So right right, Like there's a there's a case he
made for other superstars when they had left their spot
because hey, they didn't do enough. The Bucks seemed to
move on from a coach because Giannis was kind of
done there only to hire somebody he was comfortable with,
but most people felt wasn't wasn't good enough. Then they
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went and got Doc Rivers. Meanwhile, they went out and
got Damian Lillard, and they got Damian Lillard because just
kind of an effort to hey, we yeah, it got
to give him a perimeter threat, give him a second superstar.
That's how you compete in the world today. As you
go get him a second superstar. So it's not like
they didn't. They got a brand new arena. They've gone
through new coaches, they've tried to get new personnel, they've
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tried to get it, try to get him better, try
to get Saronnie cass better. And they were only able
to nail it one to knock it out of the
park one time. And even that time they knocked out
of the park like they were dead to rights, beaten
by the by the Nets in the first round, right,
it was.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
That the first second round?
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Yeah, yeah, And then Kyrie got hurt and Kevin Rant
stepped on the line on a three point shot in
regulation to Game seven. Those two things don't happen. They
might not win a championship, but they did. And then
they double tried to win another one by going to
getting Damian Lillard. So I don't put the Bucks in
this case in anyway.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Yeah, And in some point I do in the fact
of this is and when you look at the recent
NBA champions that we've had going back to twenty nineteen,
which I think that's an important time because that's the
end of the Warriors reign. Raptors win a title, the
Bucks win it two years later, Denver wins a title
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two years later. You have these teams that you wouldn't
think would be title contenders. You would think Warriors, Lakers,
those teams winning titles, and they did during that span,
but you had these other teams moving in as well.
The problem, Doug that I had with it was the
Bucks tried to operate like some of those top teams did,
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or do just go add another player, go sign this
veteran when this player gets released midseason, go and sign him.
You'd be shocked at some of the names that came
through Milwaukee of guys at the end of their career,
Pau Gasol, Serge Abaka, Jay Crowder, all of these names that, Hey,
let's go sign these guys. That's such a top level.
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You know, only certain teams make those sort of moves
in their window. Doug, You're right their window. The next year.
They lost to Boston in a seven game series in
twenty twenty two, and Boston ends up going to the
NBA Finals, But that was likely when you look at
their run, that was likely the end of the window.
Like they had a chance that year, and there was
a Grant Williams Game seven, but that was that was it.
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And I felt like they made all these moves that
just didn't get them to where they needed to be
sure the job. The Drew Holliday trade put them over
the top, but otherwise everything was kind of done organically
in a way. You make a trade for Chris Middleton
and wasn't the key piece in that deal. He took
Giannis midway through the first round and developed him. They
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didn't do things normally or like top NBA teams did,
and then all of a sudden, they just started operating
like one and and I think that.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
They became they came to the cliche, right, Yeah, they
became the cliche, Hey we gotta get a new coach,
Hey we got to get another superstar player. Like, yeah,
it's not how we built it to begin with.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Yeah, And now they're in a spot where they don't
own their own first round pick, whether they don't have
the pick or it's a pickswap until twenty thirty one one,
it's the first time that they have their hands on
their own first round pick. And so even a trade
of Giannis right now, Doug doesn't even get them back
to even well.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Just again, it all depends on what you trade Giannis for.
That's what it's for. Like what are you trade him for?
Who do you work with? How do you work that deal?
If you do it? And this is one where there's
a you know, you would never trade the rights to
Cooper Cooper U Flag Cooper Flag, but would you trade
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the rights to Cooper Flag for Giannison Tennakupo. Sure, No,
that's a real question.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
I know, I thought, I trust me, I've thought about it.
Over the last couple of days. And if I'm the
team picking number one, I probably don't.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
It's a great question, Chase do again. Just I know
you're not a basketball evaluator, right, what would you do?
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Though?
Speaker 2 (10:57):
You have a guy who appears to be the next
next you know, I mean, let's just at at floor,
the next great white star. Ceiling is potentially a superstar.
But he's only eighteen years old, he's only played one
year in college, and you're heaping a lot on his
shoulders or Jannison Tenakumbo.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
Yeah, I think I want Janis. I saw Carlos Boozer say,
I think it was this morning that the Lakers need
to get Yannis.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Yeah, I mean, just you just throw out the Lakers. Yeah,
let's just get the Lakers, Like, well, you know, you
have to give something up in a trade in order
to get him.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Here's here's also something about Giannis. And I think that
we put a lot of this on Damian Lillard's shoulders
because he's the new guy. Yeah, but how easy is
it to play with him? It's seems really difficult to
have a number two against him or number two with him.
Excuse me, as we ranked these players and we looked
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at these players. Drew Holliday was probably the number two,
but he was the number two because of his defense.
In what he did offensively, I'm not sure how easy
it is to play alongside Giannis. So if you're bringing
Giannis in, I think there's gonna be some questions on
how your offense operates because he's just so unique. And
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if you're a bad team at the top of the draft,
like Washington or Utah or whoever. If to take your
hypothetical question, what does Giannis get you if you make
that trade right to what thirty five wins? Forty wins? Yeah, yeah,
I would. I would take Cooper flag plus honest Scott injury,
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you know history.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Yeah. Yeah, He's not not a particularly good shooter. He's
hard to play with, uh and he's I don't think
he's downside of his career, but his career is probably peaked.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
I think it's such a lesson for like we can't
fault Toronto, like Hawhai went there, was traded there, we
knew it was probably going to leave. They're still trying
to recoup and rehash it. Cleveland's done an amazing job
post Lebron, But I think that they were both ready
for Lebron to leave when he left. Oklahoma City is
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obviously the standard of how you run things, and I
would say that the Bucks just were the exact opposite.
We'll see how they operate now, but it's I mean,
it's it's not easy if you're the Bucks and you're
giving up to bounce back. I think is evidence by Toronto.
But Toronto wasn't nearly in the spot that Milwaukee finds
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themselves in behind, you know, extremely behind the eight ball.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yeah. I just think, Yeah, there's like two types of
NBA championship teams. There's the one hit wonder and there's
the sustainable sort of model, and I you know, Milwaukee
felt a little bit more sustainable than others, but it
turns out it's very Toronto like, right, because like it's
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very Toronto like, And you know, I mean look at
Toronto now and how they're they're trying to recapture any
of that magic and they've been unable to do so.
The whole thing is fasting because there is no one way.
But I thought you brought up the probably the best
point you brought up, Dan, is that they were there
was a uniqueness to how they were built, and then
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a kind of traditional way in which they tried to
sustain it and that didn't work.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Doug. Remember they had Jabbari Parker as their second overall
pick and that was supposed to be the face of
the franchise, right, Yep, that doesn't work out and the
Wiggans Parker and bead draft so like that didn't even
that didn't even work out for them, and they still
were able to formulate a team and put it together
like they did. It's crazy.
Speaker 6 (14:50):
This is the best of the Done Dot Leap Show
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Speaker 2 (14:58):
It's a dou got Leeb show here on Fox Worts Radio,
and the Lakers season is one lost away from being over.
Dan Woiki covers the Lakers the entire NBA for the
La Times. He joins us here on Fox Sports Radio. Dan,
if if the Lakers lose in five to the Minnesota Timberwolves,
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how then should we look at the at the Leucadontic.
Speaker 7 (15:21):
Trade, I would say incomplete will be the way the
Lakers will want you to look at it, right, is
that this was something it was kind of a funny
way this this trade has been. How would I describe it?
Like how they've sort of sold it behind the scenes
to people around the organization in the immediacy of the trade.
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It was very much so that this is about the
long term future of the organization, that even if we
take a step back in the short term, the reason
it's okay because we are you know, we're setting ourselves
up for whatever comes next. Right Like that was that
was the way that it was pitched immediately. And then
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you saw the teams play together and you started to
see the seedlings of chemistry between Luca and Lebron and
Austin Reeves in the way that they could play some
small ball stuff and you know, they won a bunch
of games and work themselves up to the third seed
and one in one in Denver, one in Oklahoma City,
and it was kind of like, well, whoa, whoa, whoa,
Like maybe this is about right now too. And I
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think a couple of things have happened in the series,
Doug One. You know, we've seen the areas in which
this team is incomplete, not enough depth and two way players,
not enough size.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (16:40):
But we've also, I think seen a team in Minnesota
that is also very good and in a West where
a bunch of these series have been coin flips, the
Lakers have been on the wrong side of it so far.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Damn Wicky joined us. He covers the entire NBA as
well as the LA Lakers. What again, I'm not saying
they're done. It is it is likely they don't win
this series, but by no means done. When you have
Luca and you have Lebron, you give yourself a chance.
What does this Lakers team look like next year?
Speaker 7 (17:15):
I think that the or will be the same would
be my assumption right that this will be a team
that will still enter next year with Lukadacis, Lebron James
and Austin Reeves. I think the Lakers believe in those
three as a centerpiece. And then I think around there,
you start to try to find players that best fit
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what you're trying to do. Certainly they will look at centers,
you know, Lukadacic, when you have a playmaker, really you know,
specifically with Luca, but this is true for Lebron. It's
true to a degree with the custeners, like having like one,
having the kind of big that can help create advantages
below the free throw line, with lobs and stuff like that.
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It's I'm a lot right, it gives you. I had
one maker player tell me, it's like you go from
like having like three from going from having like one
option or maybe even two options to having like four.
When you're in that position, when you can create those advantages.
So I think they'll look, they'll look to do that.
And then I think, obviously, you know, I think Game
four told us to a degree how comfortable JJ Redick
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is with the Lakers bench by electing to play basically
four starters and Door and Phinney Smith for twenty four
streight minutes.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
That's great.
Speaker 7 (18:32):
It's trusted those guys certainly, and those guys wanted to
be out there. But I think and also, like you know,
there there are other players in the team that need
to be able to be called upon in those moments,
and whether that's on JJ for not trusting them, or
whether that's on Roplike for not giving him players that
he can go to in those moments, that's I would
imagine that will be addressed this summer.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
What one would think, well, what hope Clippers tied it too.
Obviously you lose that no box out and air ball dunk.
They've overcome adversity in the past they're probably the better team.
Do you think they'll actually pull off winning two of
the next three?
Speaker 7 (19:12):
Gosh, that's such a good question, Doug. I think they
have been the better team in the series. The biggest
thing for me watching that from afar has been seeing
Nikola Jokic and seeing how angry and frustrated and animated
he's been at times. Right, and this has been a
There's been more of this over the last month. Right.
It proceeded the Michael Malone and Covin Booth firings. They
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look like a team in some ways that is like
ready to break, you know, and I am I don't
want to say stunned, but like they haven't broken Denver.
You know that they've sort of withstood a couple of
pretty big haymakers from the Clippers here early in this series.
This reads seven game series. To me, I think the
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Clippers are the better team. Nikola Jokic is the best
player in the world, you know. So it's I wish
I could see the futunoy where I could like really
plan a flag on this one. Like but like a
lot of these series, and particularly this I think is
the most hamblematic, Like these teams are are so even
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I believe in the Clippers slightly more, slightly more, but
you know, I wouldn't want to go play a Game
seven in Denver against the Koliokichi. I don't know how
good you can feel about that.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Yeah, I mean, would you want to play you know,
who would you want to play against in some of
these games? But that's definitely one that I would I
would probably want to want to avoid. Milwaukee. Do they
trade Giannis in the offseason? What do they do? Because Lillard,
you know, whether he returns or not next year, likely
is he's not nearly what he was, especially in this
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first couple months back. What does Milwaukee do moving forward?
Speaker 7 (20:52):
I mean, they've never really shown any There's never been
any real signs of Milwaukee looking or are seriously exploring
turning on us before. Yannis has never asked them to either, right, Like,
it's always been get me this or get me that,
and the Bucks have responded. I know there's a really
really strong relationship with center managers on Horst just on
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an extension.
Speaker 6 (21:16):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (21:17):
But Gianna's about to win. He's incredibly competitive. Yeah, I mean,
it's it's one of the only things anybody around the
league is talking about right now. You know, for for
a week and a half, it was Kevin Durant. Now
it's you know, Giannis has a Zombo and whether or
not he'll want out and you know how much the Bucks,
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you know, the hall, the Bucks will be able to
get for him should he decide to want to play
somewhere else. I think, you know, there is a level
of connection that exists. And we saw this Tom and
I saw firsthand with the Luca trade. You know that
you have these players, particularly when you have players that
that aren't from the area or from the country they
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moved to. They moved to a new country, they to
a new market, and they are embraced and they embrace
that community in a way that's incredibly special that I
don't want to I don't want to sit here and
say all that Joannie cares about is winning a title,
and he'll go do it in Miami, He'll go do
it in Portland, he'll go do it in sacrament It
doesn't matter to him. I think he has real real
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affinity for Milwaukee, for that city, for that organization and everything.
It's best for him and his family. That being said,
I would absolutely anticipate him looking reading the landscape, knowing
what's going on with Damian Lillard, looking at their roster,
looking at what they're able to do to improve, and
you know he may like, yes, they should explore. I
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would imagine both sides should explore. Is just really the
best place now where it gets interesting is like you know,
if if you go to a place, say like Brooklyn
that has that has assets and and you know cap
space that kind of build around you, is that what
he wants? Do you want to go to San Antonio?
Victor woman? I'm like that, can you know that can manifest? Certainly?
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Like there there are options out there that are you know,
Houston has a ton of assets in that way there
there are landing spots that are attractive, I think, and
it'll be really interesting to see, you know how aggressive
this is really the first time he plays that card
in his career because he hasn't played yet.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
I agree, uh I, I do agree, and it is
going to be interesting. Is the Doug Gottlieb Show here
on Fox Sports Radio. I think the same questions for Jokic,
right is that Yokic synonymous with Denver they won a
title as well, but now a coaching change there and
but the roster just very much top heavy. Do we
do you have any idea what what his desires would
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be like in Denver?
Speaker 7 (23:48):
I mean, if there's a player that's harder to understand
about what he does and doesn't want, you know, real
league other than Nicola Jokic, like, I mean, like that
is very much you're reading, like so much Tea Leis.
I think I think I'd be more surprised if he
wanted out than if you're honest want it out. I
think that there is still a lot of belief in
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moments of that core there that when you win a
championship with people, and like most of the people in
this is different than Milwaukee. Obviously, Ganas won the championship Milwaukee.
A big part of that core, I mean, all of
it basically is Bond now isn't playing in different places
no more. Chris Middleton, Drew Holliday obviously is in Boston.
You know, the people that Yiannis won with are also
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I'm sorry, Yokic one with. They're all still in Denver.
And I do think there's probably more optimism there that
you know, if we can figure this out, if we
can you know, if Christian Brown can still get better,
if Peyton Watson can get you know, more consistent, that
there is some sort of we have opportunities in front
of us the mess way, I think that that'll be
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the That's probably why that would feel more surprising than me.
But you know, I don't know much about nicfloliooke each
other than the same like the dudes of basketball genius
and in the summer he loves to go watch his horses
race and drink some beers. Like he's really hard to
know what else, you know, like is at the top
of his priority list. I think they're competitive. I think
they'll stay competitive, But I mean I also kind of
think that a picpol Jokic played for anybody, that they'd
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be a pretty competitive team.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
I'd agree Draymond almost went it's he almost went full
Draymond last night in the first half, right, And then
you have you have Dylan Brooks at the other end,
who who it's It's like he got the handbook at
a very young age how to be a kind of
an obnoxious NBA tough guy. And maybe he skipped a
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couple steps in terms of parts to his game, but
he's he's definitely earned that reputation. How how hard will
it be for Golden State to keep winning after this
series with Draymond being in like double secret probation with
the possibility of him being you know, uh, having to
hit for a game.
Speaker 7 (26:02):
So it's funny bring that up right as I'm covering
a Lakers tine that's down three to one, and people
have pointed to lebron come back. I mean, like Jaymond
Green missing a game in those finals very pivotal certainly
to the Cleveland comeback. This is the gamble with Raymond Green, right,
is that like you are trusting somebody to walk a
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tight rope, you know, and like he uh it's an
example action because he falls all the time. He does
the crazy thing a lot. But I don't know that
there's a player in the world that I would trust
more to get that stop in that moment than Jamin Green.
Like that's just that's what he does, you know. And
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I think like with him, it's just you have to
view things through the aggregate, uh, and you have to
know that, you know, for every three absolute lunacy moments
that he provides, you'll get four elements, four moments of genius.
And that's just you have team. You just have to
hope that those margins are enough. And I think with
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Jimmy Butler, you know, without Jimmy Butler, I don't think
they were like that. You know, the positives weren't going
to awagh. The negatives.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Sure.
Speaker 7 (27:16):
With Jimmy Butler, I think they have enough room to handle.
You know, dreamond Haalf where he gets a dumb Texico
or he gets a bad flagrant or dot forbody even
has to miss a second round game, which would be
you know, it would be insane. They could certainly take
that on with with a little more confidence than they
could have.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
You know, in January, he's Dan Wikie right for the
La Times. He cares all things NBA, including the LA Lakers. Dan,
thanks so much for joining us. Well we'll talk soon, thankes, Suk.
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four Rockets Warriors came down to the final seconds last night,
sound like this and the Warriors radio network they have.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Lead up a far sideline takes the heave at the buzzer.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
It's so good, it's no good for Warriors.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
Hang on final score Colan State one.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Oh nine, Houston one oh six.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
How the Warriors have taken a command of three games
to one lead.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Listen, it was a fantastic game. The possession before Shane
Gwin had a turnaround shot and he missed it. I
thought the key to that one. Well, actually, here's Steve Kerr,
Draymond Green's head coach, talking about Greens defense on that
last play.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
When a team win the game on the line, decides
to post up Draymond and you're watching it, like, how
on the scale of one to one hundred, how good
do you feel about your chances in that situation?
Speaker 8 (29:17):
One being great or one hundred being great, one hundred
being great, one hundred's I feel like one hundred.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (29:23):
I mean he's the best defender I've ever seen my life,
and he rises to the occasion. You know, on top
of being a great defender, he's an incredible competitor. And
so anytime and we've seen it, I've seen it for
eleven years. Game on the line, Draymond making a stop,
it's like having Steph Curry take the shot.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Yeah, I thought. You know, Houston went to their best
interior post score and that's the strength of their offense.
But it's also the strength of Golden State's defense. And
the reason that Golden State has been able to play
small ball is that play alone. That that on the
micro is Golden State on the macro okay, and we
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as we try and evolve as a basketball program, I've
recruited a player, signed a player who different than Draymond,
but my goal is for him to have that effect.
I signed a player Shelton Williams Dryden. He played last
year at West Georgia. I think he's a small ball
five and he's six foot six with long arms, like
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a seven foot wingspan, And my goal is to get
it to where he can guard every position, but especially
late where you think you have a mismatch because one
guy's six', eight six' nine sixty ten and you Don't
Realize draymond green at six foot five with, long arms
he beats him to. A spot he makes him catch
it maybe three feet further out than he wants, to
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be so that turnaround that's like automatic over his, left shoulder.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
He misses.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
And the other expression in basketball you should know is
you are who you. Can guard if you're, point guard
you gotta be able guard. Porn couch if you're a,
big guy you gotta be able guard. Big, Guys well
draymond can guard one, through five and he's great at
guarding fives despite the fact that he's the size of
like an undersized. Power, forward really and if you want
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to know why he's a, great player that play right
there is. The, reason yes he's a. Good, passer no
he's not a particularly, goo shooter but none of that
matters because late in, the game he can get you,
a stop he can get, your rebound he can gets.
You possession draymond was asked about the foul that was
ruled a flagrant which kept him in. THE game i
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just go.
Speaker 6 (31:46):
Sit Down if i'm just going to go out there and.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
Be cautious it's no place to.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
Be cautious.
Speaker 6 (31:50):
Playoff basketball gotta.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
Give it everything.
Speaker 6 (31:52):
You GOT so i wasn't worried.
Speaker 5 (31:54):
One bit you've shrugged off their fans and some of
the comments they've made about you.
Speaker 7 (31:58):
This series if you felt you're restraint from yourself and
kind of walking.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
That line i'm always walked.
Speaker 7 (32:04):
On line THAT'S who.
Speaker 5 (32:05):
I am habitual Line Stuff.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Stut gottlieb show Here On Fox. Sports radio. HE is, i, mean,
like look first half of the first half of that
game was it was Literally like Draymond. Being draymond it
was all of the check All the. Draymond boxes outside
of being ejected from, the game he, basically accomplished, you
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know called for a flagrant and a technical and all
of those different things. Or, whatever uh for. Whatever REASON
and i, Don't, know buyer maybe you can speak.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
TO this.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
I know they're working on. Your board watch them work
Work on. Buyer's board is why is it that both
teams have kind of annoying Enforced in Houston And golden
State and Draymond's annoying is it because he's won championships
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that were less Annoyed. BY draymond i think.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
IT'S that i also think it's just what he does
defensively and what he. HAS done i think he's got
equity in, the league even though this has kind of
been him throughout. HIS career i think it was the
same Thing, With rodman like there's things that we would
just point out and, be, like well, it's absurd but
It Is. Dennis rodman but there was no doubting that
and no Denying That dennis rodman was the best rebounder,
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you know we've ever seen in. The game so THERE
was i don't Think That dylan brooks a guy who
seems to get under, everyone's skin and he's not the
only player to. DO it i don't think his accomplishments
are even Close to draymond or one Of. Like Rodman
where i'm not saying we're Accepting what, draymond does because
we obviously have been critical of what he's done in,
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the past but there at least seems to be a
little method to the Madness Where, DYLAN brooks i don't
know what that. Method is.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
It's a, great question what is the Method To dylan.
BROOKS'S madness i do think he tries to get under other.
PEOPLE'S skin i think that's, the METHOD but i mean
lots of people can. Do that you have to BE
and i do think he's a. GOOD defender i don't
Think he's draymond as. A defender it was Interesting That,
steve kerr who Played With, Dennis Rodman dennis Rodman was
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Here's where. Robin's different rodmin was the best defender in
the league when he Was, in detroit and then as
his career evolved and he lost some of that incredible lateral.
Speed Quickness because robmin, right now when he was With,
the pistons he'd be the best defensive player in. This
league he could have guard one. Through five he was
crazy athletic for a man. HIS size, i mean he
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made himself into just the best rebounder just when he, couldn't,
shoot like just made, himself valuable and he. Was amazing,
DRAYMOND has i guess instead, of rebounding pass has been
his added skill and then, versatility defensively he has. Been
amazing but, that one, YOU know i Don't think houston
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was as good as, a record but also running into
a veteran. Type team and then the other Part To
dylan brooks is he Ran Into golden state has two guys.
Like that Now With, jimmy, butler right there's two really really,
tough Dudes and jimmy can Score, unlike Draymond and jimmy's
just as tough as anybody and just as hated, as
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anybody just as hated. AS anybody i think the difference
Is that draymond. IS respected i don't Feel Like dylan
brooks is, as respected and that can be you're not talking.
About fans fans don't matter talk about in. The League Where,
dylan brooks it feels very obvious that that's who he's
trying to make, himself into is one of, those guys
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and it feels LIKE those nba people don't believe that
to be who he, really is or they're just annoyed.
BY him i can't tell what, It is Chase du
can you tell what? It is are the annoyed? By
him because it's just it's a very, similar act yet it.
Lands differently it, feels, LIKE.
Speaker 5 (36:14):
Yeah i, DON'T know i don't Know what draymond's.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Deal is.
Speaker 5 (36:18):
Last night if you saw that foul that was ultimately
ruled a flagrant and they kept him in, The Game
reggie miller on the broadcast was given him the benefit of,
the DOUBT and i think that's the Thing That draymond
green should have no benefit of. The doubt buyer said
that he's, built equity sure with the championships, and whatnot
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but he doesn't deserve benefit of. The doubt So When
draymond green's leg comes down Hard on, easan's head that's on,
the hardwood you can't not take into consideration. His past and,
TO me i think they got away with. One there thankfully,
for them he was the difference in, THE game i
guess towards. The end but it's like they there is
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no benefit of. THE doubt i don't know if you
guys were Listening To reggie miller just completely back his accidental.
Incidental nature he uses like these words at, This, point
really we're this far into his career and we still
think these things.
Speaker 8 (37:15):
Are.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Accidental huh nobody does the accidental on. Purpose better there's
never been anybody who does the that it should be something.
That's accidental but it feels like because, it's him it's.
On purpose it's just As Here's, imy yudoka head coach Of,
the rockets talking about how hard it Is with draymond on.
Speaker 5 (37:37):
The floor do you feel like you have any route
to efficient Offense when draymond is in, the game and
what would?
Speaker 4 (37:42):
That, BE yeah i mean we got got some looks
and used his aggression against him and got.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Them in foul.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
Trouble there, you know he's kind of roaming all over,
the place and so make the, right read you'll go
get open looks off, of him.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
And, SO.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
Yeah I think i'll be going going. Well regardless the
plan was to Go, attack GREEN and i think he,
did that had some success there and missed some easy,
shots early but settled. In there and so just continue
to be aggressive there and it doesn't matter Who's, on
outfrond we feel like we have an advantage.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Every, NIGHT yeah. I see I think i think. It's interesting,
game one you Go After tyler Hero Because tyler hero can't, guard,
Anybody right that's the stated game plan By The cleveland
cavaliers is to Just Attack. Tayler Hero in, game Two
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the rockets Went At, draymond green not because he can't,
guard anybody but because the benefit of the Doubt that
jay S dou you say he shouldn't get he doesn't
get from, the officials and he gets in a foul
trouble and then that starts the, possible implosion so it
starts kind of the. Process there it is Interesting that
i'm the worst defender on one team and the best
defender on. Another team are both two guys you, go
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at and there's two very different reasons why
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
App as car Boom one of America. Doug Gottlieb Show,
Fox Sports Radio coming to you from the tyrack dot
Com studios. Welcome in. It is a gorgeous day here
in northeast Wisconsin. Thunderstorms came through last night. It's a
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weird thing, right. So a year ago in sixteen days
or seventeen day or eighty I don't know how many days.
In April Africa, thirty days is September, April, June, November
sounds like it. All the rest have thirty one, except
February is twenty eight right there. So we had thirty
days anyway, sixteen days away from being the one year
(00:58):
anniversary meet taking this job. When I got the job
as May fifteenth, it was warm outside, like you get
up at the hotel, you get outside, it's warm. This
is the first time I landed in Green Bay in
I don't know, four or five months, six months where Yeah,
it was that was nice. It was, it was nice,
it was it was enjoyable, won't I don't think it
(01:20):
will be enjoyable for the Bucks tonight. But I think
that's where we should start, right, I truly think that's
where we should start. Where. You know, if you if
you look at tonight's games, we look at tonight's game,
you'll realize this is very possibly the last game of
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they honest era, and it's it's it's weird where we've
gone to in the NBA, right, It's weird where we've
gone to in the in the NBA. Where uh, in
the NBA, it's very very normal to go like, Okay,
I know you have two years left in your contract,
(02:05):
but you should get out. You should get out of
that place. Have we ever thought that? I've seen this
on I saw I think Kendrick Perkins, I've seen others
discuss it where this is actually quite normal in the
NBA to go like, yeah, he should leave. Isn't that weird?
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I can't think of another place, another sport where it's
like that, where if the team doesn't look like he
can win a Championship. You're just supposed to go to
management and go like, hey, yeah, I'm ready to go,
and we can go back and trace and go like hey,
how do we get here? But I just think the
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whole thing is bizarre. But that is the reality of
the state of the NBA, where we're like, that's just
a normal if he doesn't and this goes to Damian
Lillard who previously when he was in Portland, he didn't
ask out of Portland, and because he didn't ask out
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of Portland, he was seen as some sort of hero
when that's kind of what you're supposed to do. I mean,
can you imagine if in any other workplace that was
the case, Whereas if you were just if you were
just somebody who or you're at a job, no matter
(03:34):
what you did, you probably weren't going to be at
the best company for that where you're like, hey, I
just can't work any here anymore. Why well, we're just
not the very best. So if we're not the very best,
I can't do it. Like if you're if you're on
the set of a movie and the movie's not gonna
win an Academy Award, won't be nominated for the academorion.
You're like, yeah, I don't know why I'm not gonna
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win the Academy Award. Does that strike anybody else odd?
But that's exactly where we are as NBA fans. If
you can't win a championship with that team, you're supposed
to go to your management and go like, hey, I
need to go to a different team, or we can
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win a championship. And the one thing that's interesting about this,
and I've learned this obviously, you learned it in therapy,
where if you don't change behaviors in or or fix
some of the issues within your current relationship, even if
that relationship is going to come to an end, that's
those same things are going to pop up in your
next relationship. It's the same thing as basketball players. And
(04:39):
that's why so many of these guys have gone team
to team to team searching for a team that win
a championship. Be like, why do you win a championship? Like, yeah,
it's the same thing that you did in the other place.
That doesn't allow you to win a championship there, didn't
allow you win a championship here, Buyer, you're from Wisconsin,
but you're also an avid NBA fan follower as well.
If this is in fact the the last of Giannis
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in Milwaukee, how would you characterize it.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
It's a really difficult question because of where we sit
right now, but ultimately you would say an absolute, no
doubt about it, no brainer, rousing success for the simple
fact of bringing home a championship, something that I never
thought would happen when I was alive for the Milwaukee Bucks,
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of winning an NBA title, and he was the reason
they won the NBA title and you can never take
that away from him. And the day that they drafted him.
If you were to say this is the plan, this
is how it lays out, I think every single Bucks
fan would take that route. So no doubt the tenure
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a rousing success. But sitting here today knowing what it's
likely going to happen tonight and then what could happen
in the future, it's it's a different feeling because of now.
Now rent is due, and that's that's the toughest part
about it.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yeah, yeah, I look, I think I don't know how
you feel about it. But if we're gonna look honestly
at the Bucks and Yannice and what he's supposed to
do the Bucks have done right by Giannis? They've tried
everything too much?
Speaker 3 (06:29):
So yeah, too much?
Speaker 2 (06:30):
So right right, Like there's a there's a case he
made for other superstars when they had left their spot
because hey, they didn't do enough. The Bucks seemed to
move on from a coach because Giannis was kind of
done there only to hire somebody he was comfortable with,
but most people felt wasn't wasn't good enough. Then they
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went and got Doc Rivers. Meanwhile, they went out and
got Damian Lillard, and they got Damian Lillard because just
kind of an effort to hey, we yeah, it got
to give him a perimeter threat, give him a second superstar.
That's how you compete in the world today. As you
go get him a second superstar. So it's not like
they didn't. They got a brand new arena. They've gone
through new coaches, they've tried to get new personnel, they've
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tried to get it, try to get him better, try
to get Saronnie cass better. And they were only able
to nail it one to knock it out of the
park one time. And even that time they knocked out
of the park like they were dead to rights, beaten
by the by the Nets in the first round, right,
it was.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
That the first second round?
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Yeah, yeah, And then Kyrie got hurt and Kevin Rant
stepped on the line on a three point shot in
regulation to Game seven. Those two things don't happen. They
might not win a championship, but they did. And then
they double tried to win another one by going to
getting Damian Lillard. So I don't put the Bucks in
this case in anyway.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Yeah, And in some point I do in the fact
of this is and when you look at the recent
NBA champions that we've had going back to twenty nineteen,
which I think that's an important time because that's the
end of the Warriors reign. Raptors win a title, the
Bucks win it two years later, Denver wins a title
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two years later. You have these teams that you wouldn't
think would be title contenders. You would think Warriors, Lakers,
those teams winning titles, and they did during that span,
but you had these other teams moving in as well.
The problem, Doug that I had with it was the
Bucks tried to operate like some of those top teams did,
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or do just go add another player, go sign this
veteran when this player gets released midseason, go and sign him.
You'd be shocked at some of the names that came
through Milwaukee of guys at the end of their career,
Pau Gasol, Serge Abaka, Jay Crowder, all of these names that, Hey,
let's go sign these guys. That's such a top level.
(08:51):
You know, only certain teams make those sort of moves
in their window. Doug, You're right their window. The next year.
They lost to Boston in a seven game series in
twenty twenty two, and Boston ends up going to the
NBA Finals, But that was likely when you look at
their run, that was likely the end of the window.
Like they had a chance that year, and there was
a Grant Williams Game seven, but that was that was it.
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And I felt like they made all these moves that
just didn't get them to where they needed to be
sure the job. The Drew Holliday trade put them over
the top, but otherwise everything was kind of done organically
in a way. You make a trade for Chris Middleton
and wasn't the key piece in that deal. He took
Giannis midway through the first round and developed him. They
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didn't do things normally or like top NBA teams did,
and then all of a sudden, they just started operating
like one and and I think that.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
They became they came to the cliche, right, Yeah, they
became the cliche, Hey we gotta get a new coach,
Hey we got to get another superstar player. Like, yeah,
it's not how we built it to begin with.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Yeah, And now they're in a spot where they don't
own their own first round pick, whether they don't have
the pick or it's a pickswap until twenty thirty one one,
it's the first time that they have their hands on
their own first round pick. And so even a trade
of Giannis right now, Doug doesn't even get them back
to even well.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Just again, it all depends on what you trade Giannis for.
That's what it's for. Like what are you trade him for?
Who do you work with? How do you work that deal?
If you do it? And this is one where there's
a you know, you would never trade the rights to
Cooper Cooper U Flag Cooper Flag, but would you trade
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the rights to Cooper Flag for Giannison Tennakupo. Sure, No,
that's a real question.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
I know, I thought, I trust me, I've thought about it.
Over the last couple of days. And if I'm the
team picking number one, I probably don't.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
It's a great question, Chase do again. Just I know
you're not a basketball evaluator, right, what would you do?
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Though?
Speaker 2 (10:57):
You have a guy who appears to be the next
next you know, I mean, let's just at at floor,
the next great white star. Ceiling is potentially a superstar.
But he's only eighteen years old, he's only played one
year in college, and you're heaping a lot on his
shoulders or Jannison Tenakumbo.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
Yeah, I think I want Janis. I saw Carlos Boozer say,
I think it was this morning that the Lakers need
to get Yannis.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Yeah, I mean, just you just throw out the Lakers. Yeah,
let's just get the Lakers, Like, well, you know, you
have to give something up in a trade in order
to get him.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Here's here's also something about Giannis. And I think that
we put a lot of this on Damian Lillard's shoulders
because he's the new guy. Yeah, but how easy is
it to play with him? It's seems really difficult to
have a number two against him or number two with him.
Excuse me, as we ranked these players and we looked
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at these players. Drew Holliday was probably the number two,
but he was the number two because of his defense.
In what he did offensively, I'm not sure how easy
it is to play alongside Giannis. So if you're bringing
Giannis in, I think there's gonna be some questions on
how your offense operates because he's just so unique. And
(12:20):
if you're a bad team at the top of the draft,
like Washington or Utah or whoever. If to take your
hypothetical question, what does Giannis get you if you make
that trade right to what thirty five wins? Forty wins? Yeah, yeah,
I would. I would take Cooper flag plus honest Scott injury,
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you know history.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Yeah. Yeah, He's not not a particularly good shooter. He's
hard to play with, uh and he's I don't think
he's downside of his career, but his career is probably peaked.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
I think it's such a lesson for like we can't
fault Toronto, like Hawhai went there, was traded there, we
knew it was probably going to leave. They're still trying
to recoup and rehash it. Cleveland's done an amazing job
post Lebron, But I think that they were both ready
for Lebron to leave when he left. Oklahoma City is
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obviously the standard of how you run things, and I
would say that the Bucks just were the exact opposite.
We'll see how they operate now, but it's I mean,
it's it's not easy if you're the Bucks and you're
giving up to bounce back. I think is evidence by Toronto.
But Toronto wasn't nearly in the spot that Milwaukee finds
(13:38):
themselves in behind, you know, extremely behind the eight ball.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yeah. I just think, Yeah, there's like two types of
NBA championship teams. There's the one hit wonder and there's
the sustainable sort of model, and I you know, Milwaukee
felt a little bit more sustainable than others, but it
turns out it's very Toronto like, right, because like it's
(14:06):
very Toronto like, And you know, I mean look at
Toronto now and how they're they're trying to recapture any
of that magic and they've been unable to do so.
The whole thing is fasting because there is no one way.
But I thought you brought up the probably the best
point you brought up, Dan, is that they were there
was a uniqueness to how they were built, and then
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a kind of traditional way in which they tried to
sustain it and that didn't work.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Doug. Remember they had Jabbari Parker as their second overall
pick and that was supposed to be the face of
the franchise, right, Yep, that doesn't work out and the
Wiggans Parker and bead draft so like that didn't even
that didn't even work out for them, and they still
were able to formulate a team and put it together
like they did. It's crazy.
Speaker 6 (14:50):
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Speaker 2 (14:58):
It's a dou got Leeb show here on Fox Worts Radio,
and the Lakers season is one lost away from being over.
Dan Woiki covers the Lakers the entire NBA for the
La Times. He joins us here on Fox Sports Radio. Dan,
if if the Lakers lose in five to the Minnesota Timberwolves,
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how then should we look at the at the Leucadontic.
Speaker 7 (15:21):
Trade, I would say incomplete will be the way the
Lakers will want you to look at it, right, is
that this was something it was kind of a funny
way this this trade has been. How would I describe it?
Like how they've sort of sold it behind the scenes
to people around the organization in the immediacy of the trade.
(15:43):
It was very much so that this is about the
long term future of the organization, that even if we
take a step back in the short term, the reason
it's okay because we are you know, we're setting ourselves
up for whatever comes next. Right Like that was that
was the way that it was pitched immediately. And then
(16:04):
you saw the teams play together and you started to
see the seedlings of chemistry between Luca and Lebron and
Austin Reeves in the way that they could play some
small ball stuff and you know, they won a bunch
of games and work themselves up to the third seed
and one in one in Denver, one in Oklahoma City,
and it was kind of like, well, whoa, whoa, whoa,
Like maybe this is about right now too. And I
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think a couple of things have happened in the series,
Doug One. You know, we've seen the areas in which
this team is incomplete, not enough depth and two way players,
not enough size.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (16:40):
But we've also, I think seen a team in Minnesota
that is also very good and in a West where
a bunch of these series have been coin flips, the
Lakers have been on the wrong side of it so far.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Damn Wicky joined us. He covers the entire NBA as
well as the LA Lakers. What again, I'm not saying
they're done. It is it is likely they don't win
this series, but by no means done. When you have
Luca and you have Lebron, you give yourself a chance.
What does this Lakers team look like next year?
Speaker 7 (17:15):
I think that the or will be the same would
be my assumption right that this will be a team
that will still enter next year with Lukadacis, Lebron James
and Austin Reeves. I think the Lakers believe in those
three as a centerpiece. And then I think around there,
you start to try to find players that best fit
(17:36):
what you're trying to do. Certainly they will look at centers,
you know, Lukadacic, when you have a playmaker, really you know,
specifically with Luca, but this is true for Lebron. It's
true to a degree with the custeners, like having like one,
having the kind of big that can help create advantages
below the free throw line, with lobs and stuff like that.
(17:58):
It's I'm a lot right, it gives you. I had
one maker player tell me, it's like you go from
like having like three from going from having like one
option or maybe even two options to having like four.
When you're in that position, when you can create those advantages.
So I think they'll look, they'll look to do that.
And then I think, obviously, you know, I think Game
four told us to a degree how comfortable JJ Redick
(18:23):
is with the Lakers bench by electing to play basically
four starters and Door and Phinney Smith for twenty four
streight minutes.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
That's great.
Speaker 7 (18:32):
It's trusted those guys certainly, and those guys wanted to
be out there. But I think and also, like you know,
there there are other players in the team that need
to be able to be called upon in those moments,
and whether that's on JJ for not trusting them, or
whether that's on Roplike for not giving him players that
he can go to in those moments, that's I would
imagine that will be addressed this summer.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
What one would think, well, what hope Clippers tied it too.
Obviously you lose that no box out and air ball dunk.
They've overcome adversity in the past they're probably the better team.
Do you think they'll actually pull off winning two of
the next three?
Speaker 7 (19:12):
Gosh, that's such a good question, Doug. I think they
have been the better team in the series. The biggest
thing for me watching that from afar has been seeing
Nikola Jokic and seeing how angry and frustrated and animated
he's been at times. Right, and this has been a
There's been more of this over the last month. Right.
It proceeded the Michael Malone and Covin Booth firings. They
(19:33):
look like a team in some ways that is like
ready to break, you know, and I am I don't
want to say stunned, but like they haven't broken Denver.
You know that they've sort of withstood a couple of
pretty big haymakers from the Clippers here early in this series.
This reads seven game series. To me, I think the
(19:54):
Clippers are the better team. Nikola Jokic is the best
player in the world, you know. So it's I wish
I could see the futunoy where I could like really
plan a flag on this one. Like but like a
lot of these series, and particularly this I think is
the most hamblematic, Like these teams are are so even
(20:14):
I believe in the Clippers slightly more, slightly more, but
you know, I wouldn't want to go play a Game
seven in Denver against the Koliokichi. I don't know how
good you can feel about that.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Yeah, I mean, would you want to play you know,
who would you want to play against in some of
these games? But that's definitely one that I would I
would probably want to want to avoid. Milwaukee. Do they
trade Giannis in the offseason? What do they do? Because Lillard,
you know, whether he returns or not next year, likely
is he's not nearly what he was, especially in this
(20:48):
first couple months back. What does Milwaukee do moving forward?
Speaker 7 (20:52):
I mean, they've never really shown any There's never been
any real signs of Milwaukee looking or are seriously exploring
turning on us before. Yannis has never asked them to either, right, Like,
it's always been get me this or get me that,
and the Bucks have responded. I know there's a really
really strong relationship with center managers on Horst just on
(21:15):
an extension.
Speaker 6 (21:16):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (21:17):
But Gianna's about to win. He's incredibly competitive. Yeah, I mean,
it's it's one of the only things anybody around the
league is talking about right now. You know, for for
a week and a half, it was Kevin Durant. Now
it's you know, Giannis has a Zombo and whether or
not he'll want out and you know how much the Bucks,
(21:37):
you know, the hall, the Bucks will be able to
get for him should he decide to want to play
somewhere else. I think, you know, there is a level
of connection that exists. And we saw this Tom and
I saw firsthand with the Luca trade. You know that
you have these players, particularly when you have players that
that aren't from the area or from the country they
(21:58):
moved to. They moved to a new country, they to
a new market, and they are embraced and they embrace
that community in a way that's incredibly special that I
don't want to I don't want to sit here and
say all that Joannie cares about is winning a title,
and he'll go do it in Miami, He'll go do
it in Portland, he'll go do it in sacrament It
doesn't matter to him. I think he has real real
(22:19):
affinity for Milwaukee, for that city, for that organization and everything.
It's best for him and his family. That being said,
I would absolutely anticipate him looking reading the landscape, knowing
what's going on with Damian Lillard, looking at their roster,
looking at what they're able to do to improve, and
you know he may like, yes, they should explore. I
(22:39):
would imagine both sides should explore. Is just really the
best place now where it gets interesting is like you know,
if if you go to a place, say like Brooklyn
that has that has assets and and you know cap
space that kind of build around you, is that what
he wants? Do you want to go to San Antonio?
Victor woman? I'm like that, can you know that can manifest? Certainly?
(23:04):
Like there there are options out there that are you know,
Houston has a ton of assets in that way there
there are landing spots that are attractive, I think, and
it'll be really interesting to see, you know how aggressive
this is really the first time he plays that card
in his career because he hasn't played yet.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
I agree, uh I, I do agree, and it is
going to be interesting. Is the Doug Gottlieb Show here
on Fox Sports Radio. I think the same questions for Jokic,
right is that Yokic synonymous with Denver they won a
title as well, but now a coaching change there and
but the roster just very much top heavy. Do we
do you have any idea what what his desires would
(23:46):
be like in Denver?
Speaker 7 (23:48):
I mean, if there's a player that's harder to understand
about what he does and doesn't want, you know, real
league other than Nicola Jokic, like, I mean, like that
is very much you're reading, like so much Tea Leis.
I think I think I'd be more surprised if he
wanted out than if you're honest want it out. I
think that there is still a lot of belief in
(24:11):
moments of that core there that when you win a
championship with people, and like most of the people in
this is different than Milwaukee. Obviously, Ganas won the championship Milwaukee.
A big part of that core, I mean, all of
it basically is Bond now isn't playing in different places
no more. Chris Middleton, Drew Holliday obviously is in Boston.
You know, the people that Yiannis won with are also
(24:31):
I'm sorry, Yokic one with. They're all still in Denver.
And I do think there's probably more optimism there that
you know, if we can figure this out, if we
can you know, if Christian Brown can still get better,
if Peyton Watson can get you know, more consistent, that
there is some sort of we have opportunities in front
of us the mess way, I think that that'll be
(24:52):
the That's probably why that would feel more surprising than me.
But you know, I don't know much about nicfloliooke each
other than the same like the dudes of basketball genius
and in the summer he loves to go watch his horses
race and drink some beers. Like he's really hard to
know what else, you know, like is at the top
of his priority list. I think they're competitive. I think
they'll stay competitive, But I mean I also kind of
think that a picpol Jokic played for anybody, that they'd
(25:17):
be a pretty competitive team.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
I'd agree Draymond almost went it's he almost went full
Draymond last night in the first half, right, And then
you have you have Dylan Brooks at the other end,
who who it's It's like he got the handbook at
a very young age how to be a kind of
an obnoxious NBA tough guy. And maybe he skipped a
(25:41):
couple steps in terms of parts to his game, but
he's he's definitely earned that reputation. How how hard will
it be for Golden State to keep winning after this
series with Draymond being in like double secret probation with
the possibility of him being you know, uh, having to
hit for a game.
Speaker 7 (26:02):
So it's funny bring that up right as I'm covering
a Lakers tine that's down three to one, and people
have pointed to lebron come back. I mean, like Jaymond
Green missing a game in those finals very pivotal certainly
to the Cleveland comeback. This is the gamble with Raymond Green, right,
is that like you are trusting somebody to walk a
(26:23):
tight rope, you know, and like he uh it's an
example action because he falls all the time. He does
the crazy thing a lot. But I don't know that
there's a player in the world that I would trust
more to get that stop in that moment than Jamin Green.
Like that's just that's what he does, you know. And
(26:47):
I think like with him, it's just you have to
view things through the aggregate, uh, and you have to
know that, you know, for every three absolute lunacy moments
that he provides, you'll get four elements, four moments of genius.
And that's just you have team. You just have to
hope that those margins are enough. And I think with
(27:07):
Jimmy Butler, you know, without Jimmy Butler, I don't think
they were like that. You know, the positives weren't going
to awagh. The negatives.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Sure.
Speaker 7 (27:16):
With Jimmy Butler, I think they have enough room to handle.
You know, dreamond Haalf where he gets a dumb Texico
or he gets a bad flagrant or dot forbody even
has to miss a second round game, which would be
you know, it would be insane. They could certainly take
that on with with a little more confidence than they
could have.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
You know, in January, he's Dan Wikie right for the
La Times. He cares all things NBA, including the LA Lakers. Dan,
thanks so much for joining us. Well we'll talk soon, thankes, Suk.
Speaker 6 (27:46):
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four Rockets Warriors came down to the final seconds last night,
sound like this and the Warriors radio network they have.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Lead up a far sideline takes the heave at the buzzer.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
It's so good, it's no good for Warriors.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
Hang on final score Colan State one.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Oh nine, Houston one oh six.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
How the Warriors have taken a command of three games
to one lead.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Listen, it was a fantastic game. The possession before Shane
Gwin had a turnaround shot and he missed it. I
thought the key to that one. Well, actually, here's Steve Kerr,
Draymond Green's head coach, talking about Greens defense on that
last play.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
When a team win the game on the line, decides
to post up Draymond and you're watching it, like, how
on the scale of one to one hundred, how good
do you feel about your chances in that situation?
Speaker 8 (29:17):
One being great or one hundred being great, one hundred
being great, one hundred's I feel like one hundred.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (29:23):
I mean he's the best defender I've ever seen my life,
and he rises to the occasion. You know, on top
of being a great defender, he's an incredible competitor. And
so anytime and we've seen it, I've seen it for
eleven years. Game on the line, Draymond making a stop,
it's like having Steph Curry take the shot.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Yeah, I thought. You know, Houston went to their best
interior post score and that's the strength of their offense.
But it's also the strength of Golden State's defense. And
the reason that Golden State has been able to play
small ball is that play alone. That that on the
micro is Golden State on the macro okay, and we
(30:11):
as we try and evolve as a basketball program, I've
recruited a player, signed a player who different than Draymond,
but my goal is for him to have that effect.
I signed a player Shelton Williams Dryden. He played last
year at West Georgia. I think he's a small ball
five and he's six foot six with long arms, like
(30:33):
a seven foot wingspan, And my goal is to get
it to where he can guard every position, but especially
late where you think you have a mismatch because one
guy's six', eight six' nine sixty ten and you Don't
Realize draymond green at six foot five with, long arms
he beats him to. A spot he makes him catch
it maybe three feet further out than he wants, to
(30:55):
be so that turnaround that's like automatic over his, left shoulder.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
He misses.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
And the other expression in basketball you should know is
you are who you. Can guard if you're, point guard
you gotta be able guard. Porn couch if you're a,
big guy you gotta be able guard. Big, Guys well
draymond can guard one, through five and he's great at
guarding fives despite the fact that he's the size of
like an undersized. Power, forward really and if you want
(31:25):
to know why he's a, great player that play right
there is. The, reason yes he's a. Good, passer no
he's not a particularly, goo shooter but none of that
matters because late in, the game he can get you,
a stop he can get, your rebound he can gets.
You possession draymond was asked about the foul that was
ruled a flagrant which kept him in. THE game i
(31:45):
just go.
Speaker 6 (31:46):
Sit Down if i'm just going to go out there and.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
Be cautious it's no place to.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
Be cautious.
Speaker 6 (31:50):
Playoff basketball gotta.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
Give it everything.
Speaker 6 (31:52):
You GOT so i wasn't worried.
Speaker 5 (31:54):
One bit you've shrugged off their fans and some of
the comments they've made about you.
Speaker 7 (31:58):
This series if you felt you're restraint from yourself and
kind of walking.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
That line i'm always walked.
Speaker 7 (32:04):
On line THAT'S who.
Speaker 5 (32:05):
I am habitual Line Stuff.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Stut gottlieb show Here On Fox. Sports radio. HE is, i, mean,
like look first half of the first half of that
game was it was Literally like Draymond. Being draymond it
was all of the check All the. Draymond boxes outside
of being ejected from, the game he, basically accomplished, you
(32:32):
know called for a flagrant and a technical and all
of those different things. Or, whatever uh for. Whatever REASON
and i, Don't, know buyer maybe you can speak.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
TO this.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
I know they're working on. Your board watch them work
Work on. Buyer's board is why is it that both
teams have kind of annoying Enforced in Houston And golden
State and Draymond's annoying is it because he's won championships
(33:08):
that were less Annoyed. BY draymond i think.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
IT'S that i also think it's just what he does
defensively and what he. HAS done i think he's got
equity in, the league even though this has kind of
been him throughout. HIS career i think it was the
same Thing, With rodman like there's things that we would
just point out and, be, like well, it's absurd but
It Is. Dennis rodman but there was no doubting that
and no Denying That dennis rodman was the best rebounder,
(33:33):
you know we've ever seen in. The game so THERE
was i don't Think That dylan brooks a guy who
seems to get under, everyone's skin and he's not the
only player to. DO it i don't think his accomplishments
are even Close to draymond or one Of. Like Rodman
where i'm not saying we're Accepting what, draymond does because
we obviously have been critical of what he's done in,
(33:54):
the past but there at least seems to be a
little method to the Madness Where, DYLAN brooks i don't
know what that. Method is.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
It's a, great question what is the Method To dylan.
BROOKS'S madness i do think he tries to get under other.
PEOPLE'S skin i think that's, the METHOD but i mean
lots of people can. Do that you have to BE
and i do think he's a. GOOD defender i don't
Think he's draymond as. A defender it was Interesting That,
steve kerr who Played With, Dennis Rodman dennis Rodman was
(34:28):
Here's where. Robin's different rodmin was the best defender in
the league when he Was, in detroit and then as
his career evolved and he lost some of that incredible lateral.
Speed Quickness because robmin, right now when he was With,
the pistons he'd be the best defensive player in. This
league he could have guard one. Through five he was
crazy athletic for a man. HIS size, i mean he
(34:48):
made himself into just the best rebounder just when he, couldn't,
shoot like just made, himself valuable and he. Was amazing,
DRAYMOND has i guess instead, of rebounding pass has been
his added skill and then, versatility defensively he has. Been
amazing but, that one, YOU know i Don't think houston
(35:10):
was as good as, a record but also running into
a veteran. Type team and then the other Part To
dylan brooks is he Ran Into golden state has two guys.
Like that Now With, jimmy, butler right there's two really really,
tough Dudes and jimmy can Score, unlike Draymond and jimmy's
just as tough as anybody and just as hated, as
(35:32):
anybody just as hated. AS anybody i think the difference
Is that draymond. IS respected i don't Feel Like dylan
brooks is, as respected and that can be you're not talking.
About fans fans don't matter talk about in. The League Where,
dylan brooks it feels very obvious that that's who he's
trying to make, himself into is one of, those guys
(35:55):
and it feels LIKE those nba people don't believe that
to be who he, really is or they're just annoyed.
BY him i can't tell what, It is Chase du
can you tell what? It is are the annoyed? By
him because it's just it's a very, similar act yet it.
Lands differently it, feels, LIKE.
Speaker 5 (36:14):
Yeah i, DON'T know i don't Know what draymond's.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Deal is.
Speaker 5 (36:18):
Last night if you saw that foul that was ultimately
ruled a flagrant and they kept him in, The Game
reggie miller on the broadcast was given him the benefit of,
the DOUBT and i think that's the Thing That draymond
green should have no benefit of. The doubt buyer said
that he's, built equity sure with the championships, and whatnot
(36:39):
but he doesn't deserve benefit of. The doubt So When
draymond green's leg comes down Hard on, easan's head that's on,
the hardwood you can't not take into consideration. His past and,
TO me i think they got away with. One there thankfully,
for them he was the difference in, THE game i
guess towards. The end but it's like they there is
(37:01):
no benefit of. THE doubt i don't know if you
guys were Listening To reggie miller just completely back his accidental.
Incidental nature he uses like these words at, This, point
really we're this far into his career and we still
think these things.
Speaker 8 (37:15):
Are.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Accidental huh nobody does the accidental on. Purpose better there's
never been anybody who does the that it should be something.
That's accidental but it feels like because, it's him it's.
On purpose it's just As Here's, imy yudoka head coach Of,
the rockets talking about how hard it Is with draymond on.
Speaker 5 (37:37):
The floor do you feel like you have any route
to efficient Offense when draymond is in, the game and
what would?
Speaker 4 (37:42):
That, BE yeah i mean we got got some looks
and used his aggression against him and got.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Them in foul.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
Trouble there, you know he's kind of roaming all over,
the place and so make the, right read you'll go
get open looks off, of him.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
And, SO.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
Yeah I think i'll be going going. Well regardless the
plan was to Go, attack GREEN and i think he,
did that had some success there and missed some easy,
shots early but settled. In there and so just continue
to be aggressive there and it doesn't matter Who's, on
outfrond we feel like we have an advantage.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Every, NIGHT yeah. I see I think i think. It's interesting,
game one you Go After tyler Hero Because tyler hero can't, guard,
Anybody right that's the stated game plan By The cleveland
cavaliers is to Just Attack. Tayler Hero in, game Two
(38:33):
the rockets Went At, draymond green not because he can't,
guard anybody but because the benefit of the Doubt that
jay S dou you say he shouldn't get he doesn't
get from, the officials and he gets in a foul
trouble and then that starts the, possible implosion so it
starts kind of the. Process there it is Interesting that
i'm the worst defender on one team and the best
defender on. Another team are both two guys you, go
(38:54):
at and there's two very different reasons why
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