May 2, 2025 • 43 mins
On a Friday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug talks about Gregg Popovich stepping down as head coach of the Spurs and their choice for a replacement, both smart and boring.
Doug welcomes former NBA champion and former player of Gregg Popovich Antonio Daniels onto the show to talk about the legendary coach stepping down and to talk about the NBA Playoffs.
Doug and Dan Beyer discuss the value of company branded arenas. Doug talks about the clutchness of Jalen Brunson.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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(00:22):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. How you doing, Yeah,
what's doing your world? It's a Friday to my people, shibatulam, Yeah,
I said, Ito salom. It's okay. We got a ton
of things working today on The Doug Gottlieb Show. I
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I think today is going to be one of those
days where you look back and you're like, man, they
killed it. They killed it. Yes, it will be kilt.
It will be Uh. What do the kids say? Do
they still say lit? Not really sure? Or if they
still say lit? I'll ask my son my son and
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I are my son Hayes has a basketball tournat in Dallas,
Texas over the weekend, So I'm gonna drive to Dallas
tonight with him and pretty exciting, right, those of you
who are old enough you you kind of get it
right where it it does become on sun level. The
best the best part of your parenting is when you're
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in the car driving right you just you have that
kind of sequestered audience. It's so great. The best part
of parenting is when you're you're at home with them.
I mean, excuse me, you're in the car with them.
Sometimes it's a sad thing, like hey, I can't just
but they're you know, when they're teenagers and they have
their own friends. You get in the car for a
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I have never hated say I told you so, but
I did, in fact tell you so that when Greg
Popovich and pop has been through a lot, right is
his wife died a couple of years ago and he
had a stroke this year. I said, yeah, that's progress,
that's probably it right, That's probably the last that he'll
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That's probably the last that he'll coach for the for
the San Antonio Spurs. That was my That was my guess.
And now Mitch Johnson's going to take over. You heard
it from Dan Byer. And of course part of that
is Greg Popitch can remain on as president of the team.
It will require less travel, less stress, and he'll still
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be able to be part of it. What's interesting to
me is how you get people in in the TV
and radio world who are bright enough, but they want
to say, well, this person should be that person should be.
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How can you do this? Would we all agree that
if you start, maybe we want to agree if you
are going to use one word to describe the San
Antonio Spurs and how they operate and how they've played.
And I'll grant you it's been like almost a decade
since they've been at the championship level. But if we
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ask ourselves honestly, hey, there's been twenty five years of
the Spurs being a very very good franchise and you know,
five or six of those years then being a championship
caliber franchise, and I asked you to describe them in
one word. There'll be two words I think that would
come to your mind. Two words, Dan Byer, what guess
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one of those two words we would use to describe
the San Antonio.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Spurs, Doug, I honestly have no idea.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
I mean, just I'm asking you. I say Spurs organization.
Just the first word that comes to your mind in
describing them.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Consistency.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Oh that's not one I thought, But that's a really
good one. Okay, it's thought solid. Jason Stewart, one word.
I know what Jason Stewart's word is going to be.
Almost I almost guess it. Jay Stu, what would the
word be.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
To describe the Spurs?
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Huh?
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Multiple championships?
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Okay, that wasn't that was? That was more than one word.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
See, this is not as easy of an exercise as
you think that.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
It's. Okay, listen, I could be wrong at things.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
It's fine, Well you're not wrong.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Chris Prefett. Give me. Give me the word that you
think of most with the Spurs.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Can I pick up the slack and do two different words?
Speaker 5 (04:57):
There?
Speaker 4 (04:57):
They're one word each, but I've got two different answers. Oh,
big to have a lot of big men. Good big men.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Boring, Ah, boring is one. I thought there'd be two
words that you'd say, boring and smart. Right, we wouldn't
describe them as fun. No one's ever gone like you
know what's fun? And I I'm somebody we went there
for the final four. I enjoy san Antonio. I think
Santo is just right, Like I love the fact that
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you can get to Austin without maybe paying Austin prices.
But no one says like, hey, san Antonio, san Antonio
spurs and you're like, they're fun, they're exciting, they're thrilling. There.
I would say boring is generally a thought of Maybe
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that's most more fans Dan More fans Jay Stu. But
boring is a word, and I think smart is the
other word men. Maybe consistency. That's a good word, because
they have been consistent and they have been competitive. But
part of that is is because they've been kind of
more solid than spectacular, and they've been smart in how
they've been built. Right, efficient is intelligent? Consistent is it
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takes toughness and intelligence. I think the two words describe
them are boring and smart. And so who did they
hire today to replace the senior most most successful coach
currently coaching in the NBA. A guy who is a
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nice player at Stanford in the early two thousands, a
guy who, if you know him, he is those two things. Boring, smart, right,
it's poyfect. So the point of it is, and you know,
you hire a coach that spent time in the G League.
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He's spent time working his way up in the staff.
You know, he's played just enough for professionally, he's played overseas.
He has an appreciation for the FOBA game as well,
because of course Pop with his connections USA basketball, he's
been around that as well. So you get a well
rounded guy who goes to Stanford, graduates after playing four
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years there, and that was back when Stanford was really
really good, plays professionally, starts his coaching career, works his
way up from the G League to back of the
bench to front of the bench to acting head coach
to head coach. Hey, it's a boring path, but it's
a really really smart move from the Spurs. So you know,
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Colin will do that kind of elevator pitch sort of
thing right where you go, Hey, you know you gotta
you gotta use you know, you got to pitch me
in in two sentences what something is. I'll just use
the word game, and the word game is pick out
two or three words to describe individual words to describe
the Spurs. And I like consistent and see I like that.
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That's a good one. But I would say two others
that you could put in that in with consistent would
be boring and smart. And the Spurs knocked out of
the park not because they hired the sexiest coach or
the most fun coach, or the most interesting coach, or
somebody's going to play in interesting style or somebody who's
going to to freak out in the sidelines. They didn't
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do what the Lakers did, where you take a chance
on somebody who's a former player and a TV and
podcast personality. They didn't. They hired somebody from within who
was both boring and smart. And the point to it is,
you know, I got a chance to spend some time
with my daughter Harper yesterday. Congratulations to Harp. She was
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the horseman of the Year for oaklhom states a questioner
in the fences. Now, that doesn't mean that she was
the rider of the year, the horseman of the year.
As a freshman, she has to come in. She does
every thing except this year writing them in shows right.
But the point is that if you ask anybody about
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my daughter, they'll say she really knows who she is, right.
And one of the keys to life is knowing who
you are. Right. Part of finding the right spouse is
knowing who you are, so you know not just what
you're attracted to, but what you need in your life.
It's the key to finding the right job. What's the
right job that will fulfill you, that will fill up
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your cup on a daily basis, that will make you
want to go to work more, will make you want
to work at home, and to perfect your job. All
of these things, they all comes down to knowing who
you are. And what the Spurs have done is they've planned.
They knew this moment was probably coming, and they executed,
and they executed in the type of fashion that the Spurs.
It's a Friday kind of a news dump Friday. Kentucky
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Derby's coming up tomorrow. The Oaks are today. It's not
the top level story of the day. It's whatever, Hey,
we're hiring a guy that you probably forgot about, that's
boring and smart, and we're gonna just keep building this
thing the same way it was built previously, which was
David Robinson built a championship roster and then ultimately added
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Tim Duncan and then had several incarnations of greatness with
Tim Duncan and Monogenobi and Tony Parker, and now they
have Stefan Castle, they have Victor Webbin Yama. They added
uh god, what's the point guard? They added Daron Fox
Deer deeron Fox right. Very likely to add somebody else
in the off season, and kind of a way they go.
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The point is the Spurs know who they are. They
are boring, they are smart, and when you hire somebody
who replicates that in terms of as a hire, that
shows that you know who you are as a company,
who you are as a team, who are as a
franchise and knowing who you are is a big piece
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of the pathway to success.
Speaker 6 (11:02):
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Speaker 1 (11:10):
We started the show talking about words to describe the
San Antonio Spurs, Right, I said boring and smart, and
I don't know what words. Look. I think if you
were to talk about JJ Riddick again, you would say
you would say he's smart and you'd probably say he's smug, right,
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he does. He comes across a smug He's very smart,
but he's also he's really bright, and he he says
what he says for a reason, like every feels like
every sentence has a reason for why it is said.
Take a listen to what he said yesterday. You're ending
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press conference in talking about what needs to improve on
the Lakers.
Speaker 7 (11:56):
I'll start with the offseason and the work that's required
in an offseason to be in championship shape. And you know,
we we have a ways to go as a rostar,
and certainly there are individuals that were in phenomenal shape.
There's certainly other ones that could have been in better shape.
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That's where my mind goes immediately, is you know, we
have to get in championship shape.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
You got to get in championship shape. Championship shape. Huh.
We have some that were in phenomenal shape and we're
some that are in good shapey to get a better shape, right,
feels pretty obvious. Maybe that's just me. Let's welcome in.
A guy who played in the league won a championship,
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by the way, played for Greg Popovich. We'll get to
that upcoming and he's the voice of the Pelicans as
well as you hear him on NBA radio. He's Antonio Daniels,
he joins us in the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox
Sports Radio. Doesn't feel like he was that deceptive of
JJ to call out Luca's conditioning, was it?
Speaker 5 (13:09):
It's funny how it works, man. You know everybody, everybody
was on the Dallas Mavericks and Nico Harrison when oh
my god, I can't believe you, trst Luke out the door.
How can you do such a thing? And sometimes like
it's amazing what's considered hate as opposed to reality. You know,
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saying somebody's out of shape isn't hate, it's reality. Saying
a player needs to get in better shape isn't hate,
it's reality. And the thing is a lot of times
you don't understand what's reality until you witness it. And
we saw it last year with Luca in the playoffs,
and my thought was, you know what, going into the summer,
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you want to see him come back different because now
he knows what it takes a lot of times guys
don't know what they don't know the rest at this level,
if I don't know what it takes to be in
that type of shape to get to the NBA Finals
and to leave my team to an NBA championship, I
don't know. But then once I get there, I do know.
And the fact that he found out last year, made
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that run to the NBA Finals, and then did nothing
about it in the summer time, and then came back
the same player and then got traded, and then it
reared its ugly head in the first round versus Minnesota. Again.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Yes, it's uh, it's like Nico Harrison suddenly now it's like, oh, yeah, yeah,
he does kind of know what he's talking about.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
Big Doug. When you hear that that that SoundBite that
you just played from JJ Reddick, yep, who immediately comes
to your mind when you say certain guys were in
phenomenal shape. Who was he talking about?
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Run?
Speaker 5 (14:58):
And when it said certain I need to be in
better shit, who is you talking about?
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Luca.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
That's a problem. The fact that when I can, I
can ask both of those and two guys immediately come
to your mind. That's a problem. It's a problem. It's
not a problem if you're a Lebron. It's not a
problem that that you're forty years old and you're a
phenomenal save The problem became, you're forty years old and
you're a phenomenal save. So now because you're forty years
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old in the phenomenal shape, they're asking you to do
things that they shouldn't be asking you to do at
forty years old. But you have a guy who's twenty
five twenty six years old that's not in the shape
that he needs to be in. But that's the guy
who people want you to take a back seat to.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
That's a tough ask, I got it. Is that why
you heard I'm sure Lebron's remarks with like, would you
convince Luca to stay? Like, hey, Lucas, that's his future.
I'm not gonna be around for the future, but.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
It is.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
It is an interesting dynamic between the two.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
It's an interesting dynamic between the two because I don't
think they could be more opposite. You know why Jimmy
Butler and Draymond Green works so well because they're like minded? Yeah,
the same dude, Right, they're like minded, and you tend
to surround yourself and to click with people who are
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like minded like you are. And if I'm Lebron's dames
and I believe in getting in there three or four
hours early and working my tail loft and keeping my
body in shade, and being disciplined and working my like
all of these things that have given me the career
that I have. And you bring in a young superstar,
and as much as people want me to have that
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impact on him, as much as people want him me
to change the way that he is maybe being around
Lebron or make local work harder, that's on Luca. Lebron
needs to continue to do what he's doing. But that's
on Luca to kind of get in line. But I
will say this though, I will never say and put
it past the player for that light to come on,
because growth is not linear. The light comes on for
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different players at different times throughout the course of their career.
So it's not a situation where, oh, well, this is
who Luca is, let's give up on No, that's not
what I'm saying. I'm saying he still has time for
that light to pop on. Not in the in between
the four line skill set parts. I'm talking about the
outside the four lines discipline part.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
What'd you think you know, JJ coach?
Speaker 5 (17:31):
In the regular season, I thought he did an amazing job.
I thought he did an amazing job in the regular season.
In the postseason. The thing that I did not understand.
The thing that I did not understand, and I love JJ.
I covered him when he was in New Orleans as
a player, had conversations within post game as the coach
of the Lakers, all these different I love JJ. The
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thing that I did not understand is why were the
adjustments so drastic? Like if you look at all of
the series, look at every playoff series, look at every
playoff series that took place, dog, was there any more
thrastic team than the Lakers as far as the Justice
were concerned. No, No, Like you know what other teams
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weren't doing. They weren't changing taking guys out of the
starting line that that's been starting, guys that have been
into rotation. They didn't just sit those guys on the
bench like to day. I felt like he adjusted to
Minnesota and never allowed Minnesota to adjust to him. One
of the biggest things that I felt like he did,
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and I think it's underrated, is removing Zackson Hayes from
the starting lineup. And I'm gonna tell you why. I
feel like it's underrated. Because Luca's best with a loft threat.
We saw it last year with Derek Livey and Daniel Gafford. Right,
he needs someone when he penetrates and Rudy Gobert steps
up that he can throw it up to the rims
to going small eliminated all of that because now every
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thing became a perimeter game. I felt like JJ Reddick
adjusted too early before he was even seen, even putting
Minnesota to the test to see if that Laker team
that was good enough to secure a number three seed
could actually defeat Minnesota with the roster the way it
was currently constructed. He cut everybody out. He cut back
in Hayes out, he cut Dug connect out in Game four,
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he cut out the entire bench in the second half.
So the adjustments to me were.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Drafted Stug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. Should
the Detroit Pistons have put two on the ball and
gotten the ball out of Jalen Brunson's hands?
Speaker 5 (19:41):
Yes? Yes, And you know why I say that, because
with two minutes and thirty seconds to go in the game, Doug,
the Detroit Pittons were up seven points. At the time,
Dylan Brunton took all but two shots in the last
two minutes and thirty seconds. Do you know the other
two shots? Karl Anthony Towne's got a steal, so he
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created that and he got fouled. The other one was
Michale Bridges tip end off of the Jalen Brunton miss.
Jalen Brunton took every other shot up to that point.
Here's the day and again JB. Bickerstaff is my coach
of the Year. Again. I think he's done an amazing job.
I feel like the Detroit Pistons or the best story
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in the NBA. But I will never understand why teams
continue to allow the opposing team's best player to beat them.
I don't grasp that concept staying hugged up to your
own guy when Jalen brunses and sitting on thirty seven points,
make someone else who's not accustomed to taking that shot
in the last five seconds of the game take that
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shot and if he hits it, we lose more power
to you. I can sleep that way. But having Jalen
Brunston's the NBA's clutch of the year, have a one
on one game with us, Sir Thompson, we know what
that gets you.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
We do now and again, I've heard lots of people
say it, and if we look at the results, you're right,
and he did shake him. It was this good defense,
just better offenses. Unbelievable, was or Sampson, And I'm with you.
I just thought that the overall NBA philosophy had changed,
where the spacing is so great that you can't put
two on the ball because somebody's going to be wide open.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
And you know what, if you look at the way
that that play is scripted, they're overloaded on one side
of the floor. Yep, they're overloaded. And I'm not saying
that you have to run somebody at him with fifteen
seconds of go on the clock. It comes to the
point where you know where a guy is getting into
his move, he's getting into his groove. When he's getting
into his groove, you have to get the basketball out
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of his hands. Force the force Mikil Bridges or Ozana, Nooby,
anybody else that's on the floor to have a quick
catch and shoot moment where now your defense is in rotation.
I am not allowing to die again. That is the
NBA clutch player of the Year to have an opportunity
to beat clutch in that situation and to close down
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my fear and to close down my years. No, he's
too good. He has been.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
What was it like to play for Greg Papovich.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
I'll say that I feel like he's the greatest coach
to ever break the sidelines of an NBA arena or
in this league. I feel that way. I learned so
much from him and such a small amount of time,
which is four years, because I was with Greg Propovich initially,
and the thing that I didn't understand or appreciate is
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who Greg Propovich was until I left. But san Antonio
has been home for me since I played here. San
Antonio has been home for me since nineteen ninety eight
nineteen ninety nine. So I've had many conversations with him
when I was with other teams and when I've moved
on after I retired. Most recently last year, I went
to his coach's office when they were in New Orleans.
We sat, had a long conversation about my future, possibly
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co seeing, possibly going into the front office, so many
different things, and for me, I just appreciated the man
that he was. I feel like a lot of that
gets lost in the and the tough exterior, you know,
the short answers and the pregame pressers and cutting people
off and all of these kinds. That man has a
heart for people. And the thing that I love most
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I said, we talked about this on my SERRUSXM show
a good amount today is how when I was in
San Antonio, I've never felt like I was lied to. Now,
I may not have heard everything that I wanted to hear, sure,
but I heard everything that I needed to hear. He
was always upfront and honest about his thoughts, what he
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was doing, what he planned on doing, and how he
planned to go about it. And now as I moved
along in my career, I know how rare that is,
and now how much I appreciated.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Stug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. Thirteen year
pro Antonio Dan's won a championship in San Antonio with
the Spurs Jonia's on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox
Sports Radio, what is your opinion of the succession plan?
Speaker 5 (24:17):
Well, the thing about Pop He'll still have the voice,
still have the voice no matter what. Even when he
was going through his health issues here, he was still
talking to players, still talking to Mick Johnson like still
having still having input. This isn't one of those situations
where somebody's the CEO of an organization and they put
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him in a role that they're never going to use
him in again and they just move on from it.
Papa is still going to have So when free agency
comes around and the draft comes around and all these
different kinds you know you have to make trade, Pop
will be in that room. You know, when they come
in you entertain somebody via free agency, probably in that
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room along with probably Kim Duncan and Victor woman Yama
and David Robinson and Mono Zanobi and Tony Parker and
Diann Fox because the organizational chemistry they exists in San
Antonio has now become the standards for the NBA. Who, Yes,
he's no longer grace than the sidelines, and that will
be missed, but his voice will definitely still be heard. Uh.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Tell the last thing here, we got Houston, Golden State,
Who's who's uh? And then of course you got you
got Denver and the Clippers. Okay, Uh, let's start with
Denver and the Clippers. Who's more likely to give Oklahoma
City a series? Denver with the Clippers.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
For me, I think it's Denver, especially if Jamal Murray
is engaged and playing at that championship level, because the
thing is, they got the best player in the world. Man,
they had the best player in the world. Nacola Joki
is a max. Him alone, him alone is going to
put you in a position to win basketball games. But
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I love the fact that Russell Westbrook will be on
a different gear because now he gets an opportunity to
go back to Oklahoma City. It'll be a great test
for Oklahoma City. And again I'm not completely shutting out
the LA Clippers, but I just don't know what I
want to get from James Harden, especially close out games
or games and significance game sevens. I'm not sure what
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I want to get out of James Harden. I think
the Denver Nuggets would be a better matchup for the
for the Oklahoma City's.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Under Okay, Golden State or Houston. Who do you like?
Speaker 5 (26:42):
I like Houston, I mean gold State because I can't
I can't see Houston defeating the Golden State Warriors three times,
three straight times.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
Not with Steph Curry. Now with Steph Curry, not with
Jimmy Butler, not with Draymond Green, not with their championship experience,
not with that Tchampa at DNA. Can I see them
beating them twice maybe, but beating the Golden State Warriors
three straight times when you have that babyface as Stassin
over there, that does what he does, has been doing
it for so long, I just can't see it. And again,
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it will be awesome to see a game seven back
in Houston. I just don't think it gets back there.
I don't think they get out of chasing or tonight
with a victory telling great stuff.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Has always love your opinions, love your analysis. Appreciate you
be our guest for sure, Appreciate you. Dope is Antonio Daniels,
Joni Us of course, longtime NBA analysts, of course, former
Spurs and when he won a championship at nine.
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Every day, same time, same channel. We've been doing this
for a minute, kids. I do feel like this is
one of those ask the coach moments. We'll get to
in a second where the New York the New York
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Knicks get a road win over the Detroit Pistons. We
were talking about this last hour. You just listen to
the show. Chris Purfett's on the board today, he's on
the ones and twos. He's a Detroit guy. Of course,
you got Jay stew and my main guy, Dan Byer,
who of course you'll hear throughout the show and on updates,
and you'll hear Sunday as he gets like the greatest
job of all time is watching games and getting to
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talk about them as they happen. So you're like the
rest of us are Sundays, you know, whether you're inside,
outside chasing kids around or hanging out. And he's like, yeah,
I was working, but I was watching sports, and he
loves sports. So that game last night was fun. It
was fun. I think it's interesting how perception and reality
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don't actually match up. You'll have people that go like,
I'm done with the NBA. I won't watch the NBA.
It's like, okay, well I watched the NBA because I
love basketball, and I love playoffs sports of most every kind.
And do we remember that the football playoffs, many of
those games were kind of boring. And last night I'm
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watching that Pistons game with the Knicks and I'm like,
this is a hell of a basketball game. And then
I'm watching the Clippers and Nuggets. I'm like, this the
hell of a game. Haven't you guys been into it?
The new into it down?
Speaker 2 (29:31):
I'm not into it. I not either, I have not
been there.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
It does look cool, it does look kind of unique
where they have the wall, the wall. It is weird though,
that a play that a franchise that has traditionally had
some of the worst fans and worst teams in professional
sports has this one area dedicated to like homecourt. It's
a great idea that you feel like college fans should
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have the wall.
Speaker 8 (30:00):
I feel that that whole area is is weird. And
I know the Forum, the Forum was redone and is
a great concert venue, but for for them to then
just build basically a new arena a block away just
seems I don't know, like it's it's funny that there
wasn't like an effort to ever put any more sports
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into the Forum.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
That's a great that's a great point.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Sorry to derail the topic, but no, no, it's.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Actually not a bad topic. The weird part about it
for people who aren't from Los Angeles. Okay, so it's
all LA and is Inglewood technically a city, like do
you have? They have their own mayor and voting body.
They don't have their own school district. I don't know
how it all works. But Inglewood, I guess, is a
city within the city of Los Angeles. Maybe it's its
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own city. But Inglewood was called City of Champions. So
they used to have Hollywood Park, which is obviously horse
Racing Park, which now is Sofi Stadium. They used to
have the Forum as a basketball venue versus the Forum,
the Fabulous Forum. Then it was the great Western Forum
for a long time. Shout out to Great Western Bank.
Does the Great Western Bank still exist?
Speaker 8 (31:12):
I don't know, but I didn't realize that there was
Great Western Bank as someone who grew up in the Midwest,
I just thought that they just renamed with the Great
Western Forum, kind of like how Staples became so synonymous
with that arena that I don't think Staples got anything
from it, Like there was zero nobody was like, well,
I'm going to go and get my highlighters now from Staples.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Does any does that actually work for anything?
Speaker 2 (31:35):
I think it does for a little while.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
I think, give me, give me the place that it
works for.
Speaker 8 (31:40):
I think that any like State, like, for example, Staples,
probably at first people are like, oh, I'm gonna go
to Staples.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
I'm gonna go yeah, but do you you get like Staples.
If you're going to Staples, then you see an office
deep but you're like, you know, it's the same thing.
Speaker 8 (31:54):
I think after a while it became so synonymous with
that it runs its course. But when you or a
new brand trying to get out there, I do feel
that there is there is value to it.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Has anybody invested in crypto because of Crypto Arena?
Speaker 5 (32:10):
Know what?
Speaker 2 (32:10):
I guarantee people went to crypto dot com. Right. I'm sorry,
Jason's got his hands out his head. I've completely derailed
the topic.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
I don't think I think it was Actually, no, we
don't have to. This is actually an interesting topic.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Right.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
I'm a marketing major, a marketing degree from the Spears
School of Business at Oklahoma State University, and it's one
of those things that it actually in the business of sports,
it's incredibly valuable to sell these pieces. But does it
actually does anyone like I think that is it still
the Target Center in Minnesota? Scott Shapiro is going to
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be texting us at some point. Our boss is a
Timberwolves fan.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
That's that's what I call it.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
But it's I think it's still the Target Center. And
so that one makes sense because though Target is, uh,
you know, everyone knows the Target is not like, oh
my god, Target. I didn't know what Target was. You
didn't know it was based in Minneapolis until you heard
the Target Center was in Minneapolis. But has I want
you to try and be honest. Is there ever have
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you ever gone and shopped anywhere looked anything up? Not
do people, because I think you're probably right Dan and
that people there's there has to be people who search
these places when they see it. But have you personally?
Has there ever been a venue like MetLife? Have you
ever gone like, oh, MetLife? You know what I'm going
to go and turn my is it portfolio?
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (33:35):
What is MetLife? I don't even know? Is it healthcare?
Has anybody ever actually, yeah, has anybody like you know
what I was going to use some other healthcare service,
but the giants playing MetLife, So now I'm going to
go and use MetLife.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
Well, I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure's a provider for
like companies to give insurance to their employees. So it's
it's like a corporate corporate kind of spat, sir.
Speaker 8 (34:01):
I'll say this during the Final Fours and Super Bowls
when you're or World Series whatever. I just know during
the Final Four when there's like a pizza tie in
to the Final four, or like Buffalo Wild Wings has
it pizza? That advertising does work now in the name
brand of constantly saying crypto dot com. If I wanted
(34:22):
to get into crypto, I think the first place that
I would probably go is Crypto dot com.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
I just want to know why, you know, the Detroit
Pistons moved to Little Caesars Arena down from the Palace
of Auburn Hills, and they missed the opportunity to call
it the Little Caesars Pizza Palace.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Why would they call it the Pizza Pizza.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
Palace, Pizza Pizza Palace.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
There you go, now, Little Caesars.
Speaker 8 (34:46):
Even though the Palace of Auburn Hills saw some great
basketball the location wasn't necessarily ideal, and that's the point
of the Forum of if you're now building an arena
a block away next tow to an NFL stadium. And
again I understand, I went, I've been to a concert
at the at the Forum, but it just seems like
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that venue would have been one to save or to
try to refurbish or make new again instead of just
going and building an entirely new one.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
But well, I would I would tell you a couple
of things. The Forum is owned by the MSG people.
Yeah I don't mean Mona Sotam glutamate, I mean MSG,
like James dolm Garden Yeah, yeah, James Dolt. So they
owned it. They turned it to a concert concert venue,
whereas into it is a piece of land that was
bought by Steve Bamer and they they developed it on
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their own. So some of it is like who owns
it or whatever. I would also tell you that I
think though renovating it sounds like a really cool idea
when it was renovated for concerts, as you pointed out.
But two, like I you know, they'd have to renovate.
I mean they have to basically go down to the
studs to do it for a for a basketball as.
Speaker 8 (36:02):
I also think that the history of the Lakers in
that building, for the Clippers to take it over, for
the Clippers trying to form their own identity.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Would be cool.
Speaker 8 (36:10):
Yes, well, I think them separating it and saying like,
we're not going to do something that the Lakers did
because we've always been in the Lakers shadow. I get
not wanting to go there, But like that that stadium,
the arena that they redid in Seattle to reconfigure and
make ready for the Kraken to go in. Yes, basically
the roof was put on stilts, yeah, you know, and
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they then they redid the whole thing. So when you're
doing that sort of work to keep the roof because
it was a protected landmark to be able to go
to those lengths, I just was surprised that maybe similar
efforts weren't made for a place like the Forum. I
get some places are just, you know, way gone, there's
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nothing you can do about it, and you just have
to move on from the facility. But it's just funny
that the Forum is standing in a refurbished way and
then a block down the road there's a brand new
NBA arena that's going to host the All Star Game
next year, and the whole deal.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Well, that's part of the thing though, is that they did.
They came into city of champions, known for the Lakers
and built their own arena. And I still think the
window is there for them. It's closing because my guess
would be that at some point the Lakers figure it
out with Luca. But there still is a if the
Clippers could ever figure it out and build a consistent winner,
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they have a better arena. They have a better arena, sure,
but it's hard to conceive that they're still like the Nets,
where no matter what the Nets do, they're not the Knicks.
No matter what the Clippers do, they're not the Lakers.
Speaker 8 (37:44):
And outside of Madison Square Garden, I don't know how
many historic places we now have in the NBA, right,
I mean, like the TD Gardens Bend there forever. But
it's not the Boston Garden, right, I Mean, it's not
the Larry Bird, Kevin McHale, Robert Paris going back to
Celtic City in the whole deal, like, it's still a
(38:05):
newer facility. There aren't any places that you can really
do that anymore. Has everybody's got a new arena.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
so the last night was played at is it the
Little Caesars Arena or Little Caesar's Coliseum.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
The arena Little caesar Arena.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
Okay, So Jalen Brunson was magnificent. He hits the game
winning three point shot. Here's Tom Thibodeau, his head coach,
talk about Jayleen Brunson's mental tools.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
That's what makes them so special. And you know we
talk about, you know, the all the intangibles that it's
his makeup and oftentimes you know, that's that's where mistakes
I think are made in the draft and things like that.
And there's it's easy to see like how many points
of guy scores or what physical tools tools are, but
(38:55):
when you look at the mental tools, that's everything.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
There was a certain radio host who when he signed
as a free agent with the Knicks said he is
a force multiplier and he's worth every penny because remember
when he signed with the next beer like, oh, the
Knicks paid too much, right, they only gave him I know,
you know, it was like fifty something million over three years,
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but they I can't remember the exact number, but they
also hired his dad. And my point is that that
Jalen Brunson is a culture changer. I didn't know he
had that level of offensive scoring in his bag. He's
become way better than even I could have ever thought
he was. But the point is that you needed you
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need somebody to believe in the process that you're tried
to embark on. And you know, Tibbs identified him, got
his dad there. You know, the the president is he's
a former client to the president. So he is a
walking talking billboard in the locker room for what you're
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building in New York. And he is a guy that
everybody respects in basketball. People respect guys that get more
out of their god given talent than they should. He's
not super tall, he's not super athletic. He's just super
tough and unbelievably skilled. Unbelievably skilled. And you know, at
(40:32):
the time, I felt like I was like the lone
defender of this move, Like, what are the Knicks doing?
Speaker 3 (40:38):
Now?
Speaker 1 (40:38):
Does that mean they're gonna win NBA Championship? No, there's
an expression in the NBA where they say, hey, that's
great defense just better offense. I thought that's what happened
on the last play. But you guys have been asking me,
and people ask me, like, don't you double team him there?
I don't think so that. The spacing is so different
in the NBA, and guys are so skilled, and you remember,
(41:01):
players don't miss open shots, they just don't. And if
you put two on the basketball, somebody's wide open. Now
you could make the case that, hey, he was wide
open there because he made an insane move against Sewer
Thompson that he Sewer Thompson, you know, slipped and kind
of slid. It was almost out of a movie. It
was the Michael Jordan push off without him actually pushing off,
(41:24):
because it was a swer Thompson who kind of slipped
and got his momentum going, you know, going that direction
towards the sideline. That's as good a shot, a good
move as you're ever gonna find without any sort of
push off, without any sort of potential offensive foul. I
thought it was amazing prefet as a Pistons guy, as
(41:46):
a Detroit guy. Can you are you like that? We
should have double teamed him. He's the because remember he
got the clutch Award for the most Clutch Player in
the NBA. I was listening to Dan Patrick earlier today
and he's like, hey, he's the most clutch player in
the NBA. Who'd you think was going to take the shot?
And my point and is, yeah, I mean, you could
have run two Adam, But if you run two Adam,
you're automatically in scramble, You're in scramble, and somebody's going
(42:09):
to be wide open for a dunk or for a layup,
and it might well be Jalen Brunson.
Speaker 4 (42:13):
Yeah, I think in that moment, like all you can
do is have the defender on him and just hope
it doesn't get out of hand. But the point is
you don't want to even give the Knicks the life
in that game, and it feels like every last game
in this the Pistons just let the Knicks come back
into this. Like if if you want an answer on
how to stop Jalen Brunson, it's don't play Oscar Thompson.
(42:34):
Only twenty three minutes when he's getting shot clock violations
on him left and right, just playing the more problem.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
The problem the problem with playing him is right now,
all you can do is kind of play him in
the dunker. He's really effective. He's a great driver, great athlete,
but he can't shoot yet. So I understand the thought
that you're like, hey, just playing the whole game. Shut
down Jalen Brunson. And that's probably the smart way to
look at it, right because
Speaker 4 (42:59):
Just late in the game where it feels like, once again,
like the Pistons had this lead that they cling onto
for the entire for the entire game, and then five
minutes left in the fourth quarter and it's slowly quickly
evaporating and everyone knows what's about to happen, like yeah,
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I think today is going to be one of those
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killed it. They killed it. Yes, it will be kilt.
It will be Uh. What do the kids say? Do
they still say lit? Not really sure? Or if they
still say lit? I'll ask my son my son and
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I are my son Hayes has a basketball tournat in Dallas,
Texas over the weekend, So I'm gonna drive to Dallas
tonight with him and pretty exciting, right, those of you
who are old enough you you kind of get it
right where it it does become on sun level. The
best the best part of your parenting is when you're
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in the car driving right you just you have that
kind of sequestered audience. It's so great. The best part
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I mean, excuse me, you're in the car with them.
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I have never hated say I told you so, but
I did, in fact tell you so that when Greg
Popovich and pop has been through a lot, right is
his wife died a couple of years ago and he
had a stroke this year. I said, yeah, that's progress,
that's probably it right, That's probably the last that he'll
(02:34):
That's probably the last that he'll coach for the for
the San Antonio Spurs. That was my That was my guess.
And now Mitch Johnson's going to take over. You heard
it from Dan Byer. And of course part of that
is Greg Popitch can remain on as president of the team.
It will require less travel, less stress, and he'll still
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be able to be part of it. What's interesting to
me is how you get people in in the TV
and radio world who are bright enough, but they want
to say, well, this person should be that person should be.
(03:15):
How can you do this? Would we all agree that
if you start, maybe we want to agree if you
are going to use one word to describe the San
Antonio Spurs and how they operate and how they've played.
And I'll grant you it's been like almost a decade
since they've been at the championship level. But if we
(03:39):
ask ourselves honestly, hey, there's been twenty five years of
the Spurs being a very very good franchise and you know,
five or six of those years then being a championship
caliber franchise, and I asked you to describe them in
one word. There'll be two words I think that would
come to your mind. Two words, Dan Byer, what guess
(04:04):
one of those two words we would use to describe
the San Antonio.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Spurs, Doug, I honestly have no idea.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
I mean, just I'm asking you. I say Spurs organization.
Just the first word that comes to your mind in
describing them.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Consistency.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Oh that's not one I thought, But that's a really
good one. Okay, it's thought solid. Jason Stewart, one word.
I know what Jason Stewart's word is going to be.
Almost I almost guess it. Jay Stu, what would the
word be.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
To describe the Spurs?
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Huh?
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Multiple championships?
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Okay, that wasn't that was? That was more than one word.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
See, this is not as easy of an exercise as
you think that.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
It's. Okay, listen, I could be wrong at things.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
It's fine, Well you're not wrong.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Chris Prefett. Give me. Give me the word that you
think of most with the Spurs.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Can I pick up the slack and do two different words?
Speaker 5 (04:57):
There?
Speaker 4 (04:57):
They're one word each, but I've got two different answers. Oh,
big to have a lot of big men. Good big men.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Boring, Ah, boring is one. I thought there'd be two
words that you'd say, boring and smart. Right, we wouldn't
describe them as fun. No one's ever gone like you
know what's fun? And I I'm somebody we went there
for the final four. I enjoy san Antonio. I think
Santo is just right, Like I love the fact that
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you can get to Austin without maybe paying Austin prices.
But no one says like, hey, san Antonio, san Antonio
spurs and you're like, they're fun, they're exciting, they're thrilling. There.
I would say boring is generally a thought of Maybe
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that's most more fans Dan More fans Jay Stu. But
boring is a word, and I think smart is the
other word men. Maybe consistency. That's a good word, because
they have been consistent and they have been competitive. But
part of that is is because they've been kind of
more solid than spectacular, and they've been smart in how
they've been built. Right, efficient is intelligent? Consistent is it
(06:13):
takes toughness and intelligence. I think the two words describe
them are boring and smart. And so who did they
hire today to replace the senior most most successful coach
currently coaching in the NBA. A guy who is a
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nice player at Stanford in the early two thousands, a
guy who, if you know him, he is those two things. Boring, smart, right,
it's poyfect. So the point of it is, and you know,
you hire a coach that spent time in the G League.
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He's spent time working his way up in the staff.
You know, he's played just enough for professionally, he's played overseas.
He has an appreciation for the FOBA game as well,
because of course Pop with his connections USA basketball, he's
been around that as well. So you get a well
rounded guy who goes to Stanford, graduates after playing four
(07:16):
years there, and that was back when Stanford was really
really good, plays professionally, starts his coaching career, works his
way up from the G League to back of the
bench to front of the bench to acting head coach
to head coach. Hey, it's a boring path, but it's
a really really smart move from the Spurs. So you know,
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Colin will do that kind of elevator pitch sort of
thing right where you go, Hey, you know you gotta
you gotta use you know, you got to pitch me
in in two sentences what something is. I'll just use
the word game, and the word game is pick out
two or three words to describe individual words to describe
the Spurs. And I like consistent and see I like that.
(08:01):
That's a good one. But I would say two others
that you could put in that in with consistent would
be boring and smart. And the Spurs knocked out of
the park not because they hired the sexiest coach or
the most fun coach, or the most interesting coach, or
somebody's going to play in interesting style or somebody who's
going to to freak out in the sidelines. They didn't
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do what the Lakers did, where you take a chance
on somebody who's a former player and a TV and
podcast personality. They didn't. They hired somebody from within who
was both boring and smart. And the point to it is,
you know, I got a chance to spend some time
with my daughter Harper yesterday. Congratulations to Harp. She was
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the horseman of the Year for oaklhom states a questioner
in the fences. Now, that doesn't mean that she was
the rider of the year, the horseman of the year.
As a freshman, she has to come in. She does
every thing except this year writing them in shows right.
But the point is that if you ask anybody about
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my daughter, they'll say she really knows who she is, right.
And one of the keys to life is knowing who
you are. Right. Part of finding the right spouse is
knowing who you are, so you know not just what
you're attracted to, but what you need in your life.
It's the key to finding the right job. What's the
right job that will fulfill you, that will fill up
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your cup on a daily basis, that will make you
want to go to work more, will make you want
to work at home, and to perfect your job. All
of these things, they all comes down to knowing who
you are. And what the Spurs have done is they've planned.
They knew this moment was probably coming, and they executed,
and they executed in the type of fashion that the Spurs.
It's a Friday kind of a news dump Friday. Kentucky
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Derby's coming up tomorrow. The Oaks are today. It's not
the top level story of the day. It's whatever, Hey,
we're hiring a guy that you probably forgot about, that's
boring and smart, and we're gonna just keep building this
thing the same way it was built previously, which was
David Robinson built a championship roster and then ultimately added
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Tim Duncan and then had several incarnations of greatness with
Tim Duncan and Monogenobi and Tony Parker, and now they
have Stefan Castle, they have Victor Webbin Yama. They added
uh god, what's the point guard? They added Daron Fox
Deer deeron Fox right. Very likely to add somebody else
in the off season, and kind of a way they go.
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The point is the Spurs know who they are. They
are boring, they are smart, and when you hire somebody
who replicates that in terms of as a hire, that
shows that you know who you are as a company,
who you are as a team, who are as a
franchise and knowing who you are is a big piece
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of the pathway to success.
Speaker 6 (11:02):
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Speaker 1 (11:10):
We started the show talking about words to describe the
San Antonio Spurs, Right, I said boring and smart, and
I don't know what words. Look. I think if you
were to talk about JJ Riddick again, you would say
you would say he's smart and you'd probably say he's smug, right,
(11:32):
he does. He comes across a smug He's very smart,
but he's also he's really bright, and he he says
what he says for a reason, like every feels like
every sentence has a reason for why it is said.
Take a listen to what he said yesterday. You're ending
(11:53):
press conference in talking about what needs to improve on
the Lakers.
Speaker 7 (11:56):
I'll start with the offseason and the work that's required
in an offseason to be in championship shape. And you know,
we we have a ways to go as a rostar,
and certainly there are individuals that were in phenomenal shape.
There's certainly other ones that could have been in better shape.
(12:18):
That's where my mind goes immediately, is you know, we
have to get in championship shape.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
You got to get in championship shape. Championship shape. Huh.
We have some that were in phenomenal shape and we're
some that are in good shapey to get a better shape, right,
feels pretty obvious. Maybe that's just me. Let's welcome in.
A guy who played in the league won a championship,
(12:48):
by the way, played for Greg Popovich. We'll get to
that upcoming and he's the voice of the Pelicans as
well as you hear him on NBA radio. He's Antonio Daniels,
he joins us in the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox
Sports Radio. Doesn't feel like he was that deceptive of
JJ to call out Luca's conditioning, was it?
Speaker 5 (13:09):
It's funny how it works, man. You know everybody, everybody
was on the Dallas Mavericks and Nico Harrison when oh
my god, I can't believe you, trst Luke out the door.
How can you do such a thing? And sometimes like
it's amazing what's considered hate as opposed to reality. You know,
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saying somebody's out of shape isn't hate, it's reality. Saying
a player needs to get in better shape isn't hate,
it's reality. And the thing is a lot of times
you don't understand what's reality until you witness it. And
we saw it last year with Luca in the playoffs,
and my thought was, you know what, going into the summer,
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you want to see him come back different because now
he knows what it takes a lot of times guys
don't know what they don't know the rest at this level,
if I don't know what it takes to be in
that type of shape to get to the NBA Finals
and to leave my team to an NBA championship, I
don't know. But then once I get there, I do know.
And the fact that he found out last year, made
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that run to the NBA Finals, and then did nothing
about it in the summer time, and then came back
the same player and then got traded, and then it
reared its ugly head in the first round versus Minnesota. Again.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Yes, it's uh, it's like Nico Harrison suddenly now it's like, oh, yeah, yeah,
he does kind of know what he's talking about.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
Big Doug. When you hear that that that SoundBite that
you just played from JJ Reddick, yep, who immediately comes
to your mind when you say certain guys were in
phenomenal shape. Who was he talking about?
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Run?
Speaker 5 (14:58):
And when it said certain I need to be in
better shit, who is you talking about?
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Luca.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
That's a problem. The fact that when I can, I
can ask both of those and two guys immediately come
to your mind. That's a problem. It's a problem. It's
not a problem if you're a Lebron. It's not a
problem that that you're forty years old and you're a
phenomenal save The problem became, you're forty years old and
you're a phenomenal save. So now because you're forty years
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old in the phenomenal shape, they're asking you to do
things that they shouldn't be asking you to do at
forty years old. But you have a guy who's twenty
five twenty six years old that's not in the shape
that he needs to be in. But that's the guy
who people want you to take a back seat to.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
That's a tough ask, I got it. Is that why
you heard I'm sure Lebron's remarks with like, would you
convince Luca to stay? Like, hey, Lucas, that's his future.
I'm not gonna be around for the future, but.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
It is.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
It is an interesting dynamic between the two.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
It's an interesting dynamic between the two because I don't
think they could be more opposite. You know why Jimmy
Butler and Draymond Green works so well because they're like minded? Yeah,
the same dude, Right, they're like minded, and you tend
to surround yourself and to click with people who are
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like minded like you are. And if I'm Lebron's dames
and I believe in getting in there three or four
hours early and working my tail loft and keeping my
body in shade, and being disciplined and working my like
all of these things that have given me the career
that I have. And you bring in a young superstar,
and as much as people want me to have that
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impact on him, as much as people want him me
to change the way that he is maybe being around
Lebron or make local work harder, that's on Luca. Lebron
needs to continue to do what he's doing. But that's
on Luca to kind of get in line. But I
will say this though, I will never say and put
it past the player for that light to come on,
because growth is not linear. The light comes on for
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different players at different times throughout the course of their career.
So it's not a situation where, oh, well, this is
who Luca is, let's give up on No, that's not
what I'm saying. I'm saying he still has time for
that light to pop on. Not in the in between
the four line skill set parts. I'm talking about the
outside the four lines discipline part.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
What'd you think you know, JJ coach?
Speaker 5 (17:31):
In the regular season, I thought he did an amazing job.
I thought he did an amazing job in the regular season.
In the postseason. The thing that I did not understand.
The thing that I did not understand, and I love JJ.
I covered him when he was in New Orleans as
a player, had conversations within post game as the coach
of the Lakers, all these different I love JJ. The
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thing that I did not understand is why were the
adjustments so drastic? Like if you look at all of
the series, look at every playoff series, look at every
playoff series that took place, dog, was there any more
thrastic team than the Lakers as far as the Justice
were concerned. No, No, Like you know what other teams
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weren't doing. They weren't changing taking guys out of the
starting line that that's been starting, guys that have been
into rotation. They didn't just sit those guys on the
bench like to day. I felt like he adjusted to
Minnesota and never allowed Minnesota to adjust to him. One
of the biggest things that I felt like he did,
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and I think it's underrated, is removing Zackson Hayes from
the starting lineup. And I'm gonna tell you why. I
feel like it's underrated. Because Luca's best with a loft threat.
We saw it last year with Derek Livey and Daniel Gafford. Right,
he needs someone when he penetrates and Rudy Gobert steps
up that he can throw it up to the rims
to going small eliminated all of that because now every
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thing became a perimeter game. I felt like JJ Reddick
adjusted too early before he was even seen, even putting
Minnesota to the test to see if that Laker team
that was good enough to secure a number three seed
could actually defeat Minnesota with the roster the way it
was currently constructed. He cut everybody out. He cut back
in Hayes out, he cut Dug connect out in Game four,
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he cut out the entire bench in the second half.
So the adjustments to me were.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Drafted Stug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. Should
the Detroit Pistons have put two on the ball and
gotten the ball out of Jalen Brunson's hands?
Speaker 5 (19:41):
Yes? Yes, And you know why I say that, because
with two minutes and thirty seconds to go in the game, Doug,
the Detroit Pittons were up seven points. At the time,
Dylan Brunton took all but two shots in the last
two minutes and thirty seconds. Do you know the other
two shots? Karl Anthony Towne's got a steal, so he
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created that and he got fouled. The other one was
Michale Bridges tip end off of the Jalen Brunton miss.
Jalen Brunton took every other shot up to that point.
Here's the day and again JB. Bickerstaff is my coach
of the Year. Again. I think he's done an amazing job.
I feel like the Detroit Pistons or the best story
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in the NBA. But I will never understand why teams
continue to allow the opposing team's best player to beat them.
I don't grasp that concept staying hugged up to your
own guy when Jalen brunses and sitting on thirty seven points,
make someone else who's not accustomed to taking that shot
in the last five seconds of the game take that
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shot and if he hits it, we lose more power
to you. I can sleep that way. But having Jalen
Brunston's the NBA's clutch of the year, have a one
on one game with us, Sir Thompson, we know what
that gets you.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
We do now and again, I've heard lots of people
say it, and if we look at the results, you're right,
and he did shake him. It was this good defense,
just better offenses. Unbelievable, was or Sampson, And I'm with you.
I just thought that the overall NBA philosophy had changed,
where the spacing is so great that you can't put
two on the ball because somebody's going to be wide open.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
And you know what, if you look at the way
that that play is scripted, they're overloaded on one side
of the floor. Yep, they're overloaded. And I'm not saying
that you have to run somebody at him with fifteen
seconds of go on the clock. It comes to the
point where you know where a guy is getting into
his move, he's getting into his groove. When he's getting
into his groove, you have to get the basketball out
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of his hands. Force the force Mikil Bridges or Ozana, Nooby,
anybody else that's on the floor to have a quick
catch and shoot moment where now your defense is in rotation.
I am not allowing to die again. That is the
NBA clutch player of the Year to have an opportunity
to beat clutch in that situation and to close down
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my fear and to close down my years. No, he's
too good. He has been.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
What was it like to play for Greg Papovich.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
I'll say that I feel like he's the greatest coach
to ever break the sidelines of an NBA arena or
in this league. I feel that way. I learned so
much from him and such a small amount of time,
which is four years, because I was with Greg Propovich initially,
and the thing that I didn't understand or appreciate is
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who Greg Propovich was until I left. But san Antonio
has been home for me since I played here. San
Antonio has been home for me since nineteen ninety eight
nineteen ninety nine. So I've had many conversations with him
when I was with other teams and when I've moved
on after I retired. Most recently last year, I went
to his coach's office when they were in New Orleans.
We sat, had a long conversation about my future, possibly
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co seeing, possibly going into the front office, so many
different things, and for me, I just appreciated the man
that he was. I feel like a lot of that
gets lost in the and the tough exterior, you know,
the short answers and the pregame pressers and cutting people
off and all of these kinds. That man has a
heart for people. And the thing that I love most
(23:26):
I said, we talked about this on my SERRUSXM show
a good amount today is how when I was in
San Antonio, I've never felt like I was lied to. Now,
I may not have heard everything that I wanted to hear, sure,
but I heard everything that I needed to hear. He
was always upfront and honest about his thoughts, what he
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was doing, what he planned on doing, and how he
planned to go about it. And now as I moved
along in my career, I know how rare that is,
and now how much I appreciated.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Stug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. Thirteen year
pro Antonio Dan's won a championship in San Antonio with
the Spurs Jonia's on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox
Sports Radio, what is your opinion of the succession plan?
Speaker 5 (24:17):
Well, the thing about Pop He'll still have the voice,
still have the voice no matter what. Even when he
was going through his health issues here, he was still
talking to players, still talking to Mick Johnson like still
having still having input. This isn't one of those situations
where somebody's the CEO of an organization and they put
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him in a role that they're never going to use
him in again and they just move on from it.
Papa is still going to have So when free agency
comes around and the draft comes around and all these
different kinds you know you have to make trade, Pop
will be in that room. You know, when they come
in you entertain somebody via free agency, probably in that
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room along with probably Kim Duncan and Victor woman Yama
and David Robinson and Mono Zanobi and Tony Parker and
Diann Fox because the organizational chemistry they exists in San
Antonio has now become the standards for the NBA. Who, Yes,
he's no longer grace than the sidelines, and that will
be missed, but his voice will definitely still be heard. Uh.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Tell the last thing here, we got Houston, Golden State,
Who's who's uh? And then of course you got you
got Denver and the Clippers. Okay, Uh, let's start with
Denver and the Clippers. Who's more likely to give Oklahoma
City a series? Denver with the Clippers.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
For me, I think it's Denver, especially if Jamal Murray
is engaged and playing at that championship level, because the
thing is, they got the best player in the world. Man,
they had the best player in the world. Nacola Joki
is a max. Him alone, him alone is going to
put you in a position to win basketball games. But
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I love the fact that Russell Westbrook will be on
a different gear because now he gets an opportunity to
go back to Oklahoma City. It'll be a great test
for Oklahoma City. And again I'm not completely shutting out
the LA Clippers, but I just don't know what I
want to get from James Harden, especially close out games
or games and significance game sevens. I'm not sure what
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I want to get out of James Harden. I think
the Denver Nuggets would be a better matchup for the
for the Oklahoma City's.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Under Okay, Golden State or Houston. Who do you like?
Speaker 5 (26:42):
I like Houston, I mean gold State because I can't
I can't see Houston defeating the Golden State Warriors three times,
three straight times.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
Not with Steph Curry. Now with Steph Curry, not with
Jimmy Butler, not with Draymond Green, not with their championship experience,
not with that Tchampa at DNA. Can I see them
beating them twice maybe, but beating the Golden State Warriors
three straight times when you have that babyface as Stassin
over there, that does what he does, has been doing
it for so long, I just can't see it. And again,
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it will be awesome to see a game seven back
in Houston. I just don't think it gets back there.
I don't think they get out of chasing or tonight
with a victory telling great stuff.
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Speaker 1 (27:47):
Doug Gottleab Show Fox Sports Radio coming to you from
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Every day, same time, same channel. We've been doing this
for a minute, kids. I do feel like this is
one of those ask the coach moments. We'll get to
in a second where the New York the New York
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Knicks get a road win over the Detroit Pistons. We
were talking about this last hour. You just listen to
the show. Chris Purfett's on the board today, he's on
the ones and twos. He's a Detroit guy. Of course,
you got Jay stew and my main guy, Dan Byer,
who of course you'll hear throughout the show and on updates,
and you'll hear Sunday as he gets like the greatest
job of all time is watching games and getting to
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talk about them as they happen. So you're like the
rest of us are Sundays, you know, whether you're inside,
outside chasing kids around or hanging out. And he's like, yeah,
I was working, but I was watching sports, and he
loves sports. So that game last night was fun. It
was fun. I think it's interesting how perception and reality
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don't actually match up. You'll have people that go like,
I'm done with the NBA. I won't watch the NBA.
It's like, okay, well I watched the NBA because I
love basketball, and I love playoffs sports of most every kind.
And do we remember that the football playoffs, many of
those games were kind of boring. And last night I'm
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watching that Pistons game with the Knicks and I'm like,
this is a hell of a basketball game. And then
I'm watching the Clippers and Nuggets. I'm like, this the
hell of a game. Haven't you guys been into it?
The new into it down?
Speaker 2 (29:31):
I'm not into it. I not either, I have not
been there.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
It does look cool, it does look kind of unique
where they have the wall, the wall. It is weird though,
that a play that a franchise that has traditionally had
some of the worst fans and worst teams in professional
sports has this one area dedicated to like homecourt. It's
a great idea that you feel like college fans should
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have the wall.
Speaker 8 (30:00):
I feel that that whole area is is weird. And
I know the Forum, the Forum was redone and is
a great concert venue, but for for them to then
just build basically a new arena a block away just
seems I don't know, like it's it's funny that there
wasn't like an effort to ever put any more sports
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into the Forum.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
That's a great that's a great point.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Sorry to derail the topic, but no, no, it's.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Actually not a bad topic. The weird part about it
for people who aren't from Los Angeles. Okay, so it's
all LA and is Inglewood technically a city, like do
you have? They have their own mayor and voting body.
They don't have their own school district. I don't know
how it all works. But Inglewood, I guess, is a
city within the city of Los Angeles. Maybe it's its
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own city. But Inglewood was called City of Champions. So
they used to have Hollywood Park, which is obviously horse
Racing Park, which now is Sofi Stadium. They used to
have the Forum as a basketball venue versus the Forum,
the Fabulous Forum. Then it was the great Western Forum
for a long time. Shout out to Great Western Bank.
Does the Great Western Bank still exist?
Speaker 8 (31:12):
I don't know, but I didn't realize that there was
Great Western Bank as someone who grew up in the Midwest,
I just thought that they just renamed with the Great
Western Forum, kind of like how Staples became so synonymous
with that arena that I don't think Staples got anything
from it, Like there was zero nobody was like, well,
I'm going to go and get my highlighters now from Staples.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Does any does that actually work for anything?
Speaker 2 (31:35):
I think it does for a little while.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
I think, give me, give me the place that it
works for.
Speaker 8 (31:40):
I think that any like State, like, for example, Staples,
probably at first people are like, oh, I'm gonna go
to Staples.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
I'm gonna go yeah, but do you you get like Staples.
If you're going to Staples, then you see an office
deep but you're like, you know, it's the same thing.
Speaker 8 (31:54):
I think after a while it became so synonymous with
that it runs its course. But when you or a
new brand trying to get out there, I do feel
that there is there is value to it.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Has anybody invested in crypto because of Crypto Arena?
Speaker 5 (32:10):
Know what?
Speaker 2 (32:10):
I guarantee people went to crypto dot com. Right. I'm sorry,
Jason's got his hands out his head. I've completely derailed
the topic.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
I don't think I think it was Actually, no, we
don't have to. This is actually an interesting topic.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Right.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
I'm a marketing major, a marketing degree from the Spears
School of Business at Oklahoma State University, and it's one
of those things that it actually in the business of sports,
it's incredibly valuable to sell these pieces. But does it
actually does anyone like I think that is it still
the Target Center in Minnesota? Scott Shapiro is going to
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be texting us at some point. Our boss is a
Timberwolves fan.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
That's that's what I call it.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
But it's I think it's still the Target Center. And
so that one makes sense because though Target is, uh,
you know, everyone knows the Target is not like, oh
my god, Target. I didn't know what Target was. You
didn't know it was based in Minneapolis until you heard
the Target Center was in Minneapolis. But has I want
you to try and be honest. Is there ever have
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you ever gone and shopped anywhere looked anything up? Not
do people, because I think you're probably right Dan and
that people there's there has to be people who search
these places when they see it. But have you personally?
Has there ever been a venue like MetLife? Have you
ever gone like, oh, MetLife? You know what I'm going
to go and turn my is it portfolio?
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (33:35):
What is MetLife? I don't even know? Is it healthcare?
Has anybody ever actually, yeah, has anybody like you know
what I was going to use some other healthcare service,
but the giants playing MetLife, So now I'm going to
go and use MetLife.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
Well, I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure's a provider for
like companies to give insurance to their employees. So it's
it's like a corporate corporate kind of spat, sir.
Speaker 8 (34:01):
I'll say this during the Final Fours and Super Bowls
when you're or World Series whatever. I just know during
the Final Four when there's like a pizza tie in
to the Final four, or like Buffalo Wild Wings has
it pizza? That advertising does work now in the name
brand of constantly saying crypto dot com. If I wanted
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to get into crypto, I think the first place that
I would probably go is Crypto dot com.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
I just want to know why, you know, the Detroit
Pistons moved to Little Caesars Arena down from the Palace
of Auburn Hills, and they missed the opportunity to call
it the Little Caesars Pizza Palace.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Why would they call it the Pizza Pizza.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
Palace, Pizza Pizza Palace.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
There you go, now, Little Caesars.
Speaker 8 (34:46):
Even though the Palace of Auburn Hills saw some great
basketball the location wasn't necessarily ideal, and that's the point
of the Forum of if you're now building an arena
a block away next tow to an NFL stadium. And
again I understand, I went, I've been to a concert
at the at the Forum, but it just seems like
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that venue would have been one to save or to
try to refurbish or make new again instead of just
going and building an entirely new one.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
But well, I would I would tell you a couple
of things. The Forum is owned by the MSG people.
Yeah I don't mean Mona Sotam glutamate, I mean MSG,
like James dolm Garden Yeah, yeah, James Dolt. So they
owned it. They turned it to a concert concert venue,
whereas into it is a piece of land that was
bought by Steve Bamer and they they developed it on
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their own. So some of it is like who owns
it or whatever. I would also tell you that I
think though renovating it sounds like a really cool idea
when it was renovated for concerts, as you pointed out.
But two, like I you know, they'd have to renovate.
I mean they have to basically go down to the
studs to do it for a for a basketball as.
Speaker 8 (36:02):
I also think that the history of the Lakers in
that building, for the Clippers to take it over, for
the Clippers trying to form their own identity.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Would be cool.
Speaker 8 (36:10):
Yes, well, I think them separating it and saying like,
we're not going to do something that the Lakers did
because we've always been in the Lakers shadow. I get
not wanting to go there, But like that that stadium,
the arena that they redid in Seattle to reconfigure and
make ready for the Kraken to go in. Yes, basically
the roof was put on stilts, yeah, you know, and
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they then they redid the whole thing. So when you're
doing that sort of work to keep the roof because
it was a protected landmark to be able to go
to those lengths, I just was surprised that maybe similar
efforts weren't made for a place like the Forum. I
get some places are just, you know, way gone, there's
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nothing you can do about it, and you just have
to move on from the facility. But it's just funny
that the Forum is standing in a refurbished way and
then a block down the road there's a brand new
NBA arena that's going to host the All Star Game
next year, and the whole deal.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Well, that's part of the thing though, is that they did.
They came into city of champions, known for the Lakers
and built their own arena. And I still think the
window is there for them. It's closing because my guess
would be that at some point the Lakers figure it
out with Luca. But there still is a if the
Clippers could ever figure it out and build a consistent winner,
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they have a better arena. They have a better arena, sure,
but it's hard to conceive that they're still like the Nets,
where no matter what the Nets do, they're not the Knicks.
No matter what the Clippers do, they're not the Lakers.
Speaker 8 (37:44):
And outside of Madison Square Garden, I don't know how
many historic places we now have in the NBA, right,
I mean, like the TD Gardens Bend there forever. But
it's not the Boston Garden, right, I Mean, it's not
the Larry Bird, Kevin McHale, Robert Paris going back to
Celtic City in the whole deal, like, it's still a
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newer facility. There aren't any places that you can really
do that anymore. Has everybody's got a new arena.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
so the last night was played at is it the
Little Caesars Arena or Little Caesar's Coliseum.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
The arena Little caesar Arena.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
Okay, So Jalen Brunson was magnificent. He hits the game
winning three point shot. Here's Tom Thibodeau, his head coach,
talk about Jayleen Brunson's mental tools.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
That's what makes them so special. And you know we
talk about, you know, the all the intangibles that it's
his makeup and oftentimes you know, that's that's where mistakes
I think are made in the draft and things like that.
And there's it's easy to see like how many points
of guy scores or what physical tools tools are, but
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when you look at the mental tools, that's everything.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
There was a certain radio host who when he signed
as a free agent with the Knicks said he is
a force multiplier and he's worth every penny because remember
when he signed with the next beer like, oh, the
Knicks paid too much, right, they only gave him I know,
you know, it was like fifty something million over three years,
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but they I can't remember the exact number, but they
also hired his dad. And my point is that that
Jalen Brunson is a culture changer. I didn't know he
had that level of offensive scoring in his bag. He's
become way better than even I could have ever thought
he was. But the point is that you needed you
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need somebody to believe in the process that you're tried
to embark on. And you know, Tibbs identified him, got
his dad there. You know, the the president is he's
a former client to the president. So he is a
walking talking billboard in the locker room for what you're
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building in New York. And he is a guy that
everybody respects in basketball. People respect guys that get more
out of their god given talent than they should. He's
not super tall, he's not super athletic. He's just super
tough and unbelievably skilled. Unbelievably skilled. And you know, at
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the time, I felt like I was like the lone
defender of this move, Like, what are the Knicks doing?
Speaker 3 (40:38):
Now?
Speaker 1 (40:38):
Does that mean they're gonna win NBA Championship? No, there's
an expression in the NBA where they say, hey, that's
great defense just better offense. I thought that's what happened
on the last play. But you guys have been asking me,
and people ask me, like, don't you double team him there?
I don't think so that. The spacing is so different
in the NBA, and guys are so skilled, and you remember,
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players don't miss open shots, they just don't. And if
you put two on the basketball, somebody's wide open. Now
you could make the case that, hey, he was wide
open there because he made an insane move against Sewer
Thompson that he Sewer Thompson, you know, slipped and kind
of slid. It was almost out of a movie. It
was the Michael Jordan push off without him actually pushing off,
(41:24):
because it was a swer Thompson who kind of slipped
and got his momentum going, you know, going that direction
towards the sideline. That's as good a shot, a good
move as you're ever gonna find without any sort of
push off, without any sort of potential offensive foul. I
thought it was amazing prefet as a Pistons guy, as
(41:46):
a Detroit guy. Can you are you like that? We
should have double teamed him. He's the because remember he
got the clutch Award for the most Clutch Player in
the NBA. I was listening to Dan Patrick earlier today
and he's like, hey, he's the most clutch player in
the NBA. Who'd you think was going to take the shot?
And my point and is, yeah, I mean, you could
have run two Adam, But if you run two Adam,
you're automatically in scramble, You're in scramble, and somebody's going
(42:09):
to be wide open for a dunk or for a layup,
and it might well be Jalen Brunson.
Speaker 4 (42:13):
Yeah, I think in that moment, like all you can
do is have the defender on him and just hope
it doesn't get out of hand. But the point is
you don't want to even give the Knicks the life
in that game, and it feels like every last game
in this the Pistons just let the Knicks come back
into this. Like if if you want an answer on
how to stop Jalen Brunson, it's don't play Oscar Thompson.
(42:34):
Only twenty three minutes when he's getting shot clock violations
on him left and right, just playing the more problem.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
The problem the problem with playing him is right now,
all you can do is kind of play him in
the dunker. He's really effective. He's a great driver, great athlete,
but he can't shoot yet. So I understand the thought
that you're like, hey, just playing the whole game. Shut
down Jalen Brunson. And that's probably the smart way to
look at it, right because
Speaker 4 (42:59):
Just late in the game where it feels like, once again,
like the Pistons had this lead that they cling onto
for the entire for the entire game, and then five
minutes left in the fourth quarter and it's slowly quickly
evaporating and everyone knows what's about to happen, like yeah,
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