May 6, 2025 • 51 mins
On a Tuesday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug talks about how Oklahoma City lost game one of their series against Denver, and the role big man Chet Holmgren played in that lost.
Dan shares his "Beyer's Remorse". Doug welcomes FSR NBA Analyst and former NBA Player Ryan Hollins onto the show to talk about the Knicks, Thunder and all of the major headlines around the NBA.
Doug weighs in on the Justin Tucker story and explains why he thinks the Ravens did nothing wrong in their messaging about cutting the former All-Pro. Doug welcomes NFL Analyst John Middlekauff on the show to talk about Tucker, the Steelers and all of the headlines around the NFL.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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(00:24):
actually from Aaron Hills. I I'm glad that I can't
see Buyer on our YouTube channel, on our digitals, on
our digital feed, because I could, just I could, I
will be able to sense his jealousy because if you
played with me today, my friends, did you know that
(00:46):
I am not a golfer. I the last time I
played golf was actually here, and it was last year,
the day of our first practice, ironically, and I looked
like a guy who hadn't swung a golf CLB been
however many months, it's been well welcome in. This is
the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. A
good amount to talk about Justin Tucker getting released. I'm
(01:11):
always cautious with the words that you use. Maybe we
need to think about that. He was waived is a
better word than released Anyway, that's maybe a little bit
too deep. Let's instead get to last night's game. Celtics
at a twenty point lead, they lose at home, Thunder
have a lead late, they lose at home, and we
(01:32):
could get into why the Thunder fouled up three early
in the early with the with the clock remaining, we
get into what actually happened on the last play. But
I just think the easiest thing is this. Look, I'm
I'm fully aware of what my team's record was at
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the end of our first year, and I could go
in to the reasons and sometimes they could sound like
excuses or whatever, but I continue to believe.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
I don't believe.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
I know that you have to teach players everything, and
the hardest thing to teach them how to do is
to win. And winning is different in different situations. And
you're like, well, that's you know, that's that's that sounds
like obvious talk, Like yeah, it is. But winning a
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game like that, finding a way to finish, finding a
way to close, if you haven't done it before, it's
hard to just do it. It's hard to just do
it and It doesn't mean that forever the Oklahoma City
Thunder or Chet Holgren is going to be a choker.
(02:48):
But he choked last night, and it's kind of obvious. Yeah,
maybe they shouldn't have fouled so early up three. Okay,
I again, we all fall back on the hard and
fast rules. Our last home game of the year, under
seven sects to go, which is generally the hard and
fast rule, we fouled up three points. The problem is
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we're one of the worst rebounding teams in the country.
We were going against one of the best rebounding teams
in the country, and they were also a high volume,
low make three point shooting team. So we probably should
have just challenged a three point shot and not fouled
late in the game, especially because the guy we fouled,
you know, when we filed, they only had one or
two three point shooters in the court. But I digress.
(03:33):
The point is this Chet Holmgren is I don't know
if he'll ever be as good as people wanted him
to be. I don't know if this is a Nick
Anderson type of moment. And if you don't remember Nick Anderson,
he was the star with the Orlando Magic. He missed
four consecutive free throws in Game one of their NBA
Finals series against the Houston Rockets. Back when Houston won
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their first was a first or a second title, second second,
back to back titles, right, and Nick Anderson was never
the same as a player. But the point is that
you gotta That's something you kind of can't teach.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
They just gotta do, and.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Eventually you do it enough, you know how to get
it done. And this is why the old guys that
foul so much and don't move as well, why they
become more effective in the playoffs is because they don't
miss two consecutive free throws. They don't leave an Aaron
Gordon and help when help wasn't really needed on a
Russell Westbrook drive and he killed them at both ends.
(04:42):
But winning is the last thing and the hardest thing
to teach. And just because you've won in the regular
season is not like winning in the postseason.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
That's a completely different animal. And it's the old Rudy
Tom Jonovich.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Never underestimate the heart of a champion, Yeah, just I
honestly think, never underestimate how valuable it is when you've
won that last game, when you've won a seven game series,
when you've won a Western Conference Finals, when you've won
an NBA championship. When you've done that, you're kind of
playing with house money.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
That's really what it is, kind of playing with house money.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Because we can criticize whatever Jamal Murray and which Jamal
Murray is the real Jamal Murray. We can criticize Nikolae
Jokic some at times for his defense, whatever, but you
can't be critical of the fact that or you can't
go back forever. They are actually champions. They have actually
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done it, and we can be hopeful towards Shay Gildas Alexander,
we can be helpful towards chet Holmgren, but until they
do it, they still wear the badge of they've never
done it before. And when you haven't done it before.
Last year, they lose to the Dallas Mavericks, who on
paper would feel like an inferior team, but to beat them.
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This year, they're down one game and none to the
Denver Nuggets. It doesn't mean they're going to lose the series.
And it happened right on the back of the Boston
Celtics and defending NBA champions losing at home to the
New York Dicks after being up twenty in the second half.
But until you've actually done it. Boston Celtics did it
(06:23):
last year. That's that benefit of the doubt. You're never
going to get the benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Never.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
It's a Doug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Rader.
Here's the Thunderhead coach Mark Dagno explaining why they fouled
up early in the chaklack up three in the early
in the shock clock.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
That's usually our deal is to file up three and
to play that game. I thought we executed the files
pretty well, got the ball and bounds pretty well. It
didn't go our way tonight, but it's worked out well
for us in the past. We'll continue to look at it,
maybe learn from it. But I didn't think that's why
we lost the game.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Here's why his team lost.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
You said that the filing situation now in stretch wasn't
why you lost.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
What would you boil it down to why you lost
this one?
Speaker 4 (07:10):
I mean just overall execution on both ends of the floor.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
I thought defensive execution, we had a lot of possessions
that we can clean up and learn from. The rebounding
we can definitely learn from. They had a lot of offensive
rebounds to I'd give him a lot of second life
and then our execution down the stretch offensively.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Yeah, execution offensively down the stretch. Here's David Adelman, who's
the interim head coach now was he named the full
time head coach of the of the Denver Nuggets.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
On the impact of Aaron Gordon.
Speaker 6 (07:43):
Aaron's going to be a hero again. But I'm also
looking at fourteen rebounds, so I'm looking at twenty two points.
I'm looking at ball handling, responsibilities, leadership. He is a
Denver nugget man like he is the soul of our team.
So cool to see him have two moments that no
one will ever forget.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Here's Aaron Gordon talking about his game winn He shot.
Speaker 7 (08:06):
Great poise, great poise with this team between Jamal Murray, Nicola,
Yo kicks, you got Hall of Famer, Russell Westbrook, you
got CB was steven into his own. So a lot
of guys stepped up. But I think are poised and uh,
I believe that we were gonna win no matter the circumstances.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Yeah, I mean, look, because they've done it before. They
don't have any sort of fear. You're still playing with
house money, and you have the calmness of knowing you've
done before and thus you can do it again. Byron
didn't have my camera on initially when I said I
played at Aaron Hills today. I'm telling you, like the
USGA had us out today because you know the Women's
(08:46):
US Open is here in twenty two days. When I
say it was like a great day for golf, Like
the rough is not the it is not that high.
You know they're gonna let it grow here these next
three weeks, and it is was like seventy two by
like seventy two, seventy five and breezy, so you get
just enough of the wind but not so much that
(09:06):
you're like you have to be really really good.
Speaker 8 (09:09):
It's just a good barometer test by the way of
like friendship and connection. Like Sam last week did not
tell us that didn't tell me that he was out
on Friday, so it was a surprise, you like not
being like, hey man, I guess what I'm gonna be
at Aaron Hills on Tuesday, Like you doing it after
the fact, like is a good barometer of like where
we stand, Like I feel like Jason would tell me,
(09:32):
I just like you and Sam are just like after
the fact people of like, oh, yeah, I'm not in
on Friday. I feel like, hey, guys, guess what I'm
not going to be in on this day or I'm
going to be doing on this on that day. I
feel it's a barometer, and so it feels it's a
little bit of a hit Dug. To be honest with you,
that like I didn't I didn't even get the like
(09:52):
obligatory heads up. The nation found out when I found out,
the world found out when I found out.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Wow, it's a fair critique. It is. It is.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
It's it's not intended to be personal. It feels personal,
it does, really.
Speaker 8 (10:06):
I also thoughts on the thunder nuggets, but I could not.
I could not stay away from making those comments.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
I sincerely pass you would have you honestly, this is
a day where I'm like, you would have loved this for.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
A fact, Yeah, that would have been great.
Speaker 8 (10:19):
No, I'm for the record, For the record, it's my
anniversary today, So I would not have been even been
able to go if Doug said, you know what, why
don't you come home for a couple of days?
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Aren't you come and you know, play some golf.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I knew that I touched Lea. Yes, yes, I didn't
want to put you in that situation. All right, coming
up next to the Doug Gotlie show here on Fox Sports,
do you.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Not want to hear my Thunder Nuggets thoughts?
Speaker 9 (10:39):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Yeah, yeah, go, I'm sorry.
Speaker 8 (10:41):
Sorry, I just wanted to. I think that dag No
was my two cents completely off the mark. They fouled
way too early at ten seconds. The rule is usually.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Under ten seconds or whatever, under seven.
Speaker 8 (10:52):
There you go perfect to follow him in the backcourt
and then to make it a free throw shooting contest
when you're the ones in the lead. Nuggets said nothing
to lose, Thunder and everything to lose. I I I
think that they completely I don't even chalk it up
to youth. I think that they just botched that scenario
in that in that last fall, that was the biggest
(11:13):
difference in the game, when they were able to uh
go up three on the SGA dunk and then let
basically no time run off and they were basically back
where they were.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
It's it's actually for many people, it swung the other
way to where it's a you know, uh John Roth scene,
you know what is he?
Speaker 2 (11:34):
What does he does? These three rules? He's a college
basketball guy at at C's college.
Speaker 8 (11:39):
Basketball's se right now, long sleep, But he'll have.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
These tweetseries like, you know, three things like never acknowledge
Godfather three, I forget.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
What yeah, never get never eat pizza outside of the
Eastern time zone.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
That's always foul up three. And I'm just telling you,
I lived it. You don't always foul up three, okay.
And there's a specific timing element of it. I would
say in the NBA is probably less than seven seconds
because of you know, advancing the basketball, how long it
actually takes, all these other things. But yeah, ten seconds.
(12:13):
I've never heard under ten. I've always heard under seven.
Brad Stevens is the first one to verbalize it that
I ever heard of, and he said, under seven.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
That's what I've kind of lived by. We fouled with
six point eight, still lost this year.
Speaker 8 (12:24):
I also this is minor, but I have a real
problem with guys chucking up three quarter court shots. I
would rather be late, but get my shot off at
half court, like, at least take the chance that I
have a better chance of making a half court shot.
So when Tyrese Haliburton had his bucket against the Bucks
in Game five, Giannis just threw it into Gary Trent
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in the.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Back, throwing it down the court.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Yeah to portus.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Yeah, we're just down there.
Speaker 8 (12:49):
One point three seconds left, like you're not gonna make it.
Last night the Thunder no timeouts, but they had two
point eight seconds. Yeah, they panicked and Williams just got
the inbound and chucked one up.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
And you know it's really interesting. Now, look, our guys panicked.
We practiced since last summer. We practiced between three and
seven seconds, what we do three and under seconds, what
we do seven seconds and over what we do, like,
practice it all the time. And with four seconds ago
in that same Oakland game, they we just threw it
in and dribbled up to court and shot probably a logo three.
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Wasn't a terrible shot, but what was the point of
practicing what we wanted to do Otherwise?
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Anyway, I agree with you like it is it is.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
But it's also because NBA teams usually have an extra timeout,
so they usually advance the basketball and they're prepared for it.
And then in the rare cases, and there's two games
that they each team did not have timeouts. I thought
the inbounder panicked and threw it to kind of the
the closest guy, and you end up taking a seventy
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five foot shot, which is you know you're gonna make
five percent or less of the time oras at mid court,
you're probably percentages in the twenty.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
Percent more steps.
Speaker 8 (14:05):
Yeah, Nuggets, the Thunder used two of their timeouts at
twelve seconds and at ten seconds so and which then
goes back to the strategy dog of them fouling immediately,
which forced them to use two timeouts in two seconds
of game time. Deg now can say like we just
yeah with some other things. No, they completely botched the
ending of the game, and it's it's on them.
Speaker 10 (14:25):
This is the best of the Done gott Leap Show
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Eh, it's the Dog gott Leeb Show Fox Sports Radio.
Your listeners now, but you only can see us. Hey
hey hi.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
No, our show's not streamed live yet yet. But that's
a big yawn. Dan, you're gonna make me on. You're
gonna make me on. Damn you like, look right, the
camera made me on. Why doesn't your guys camera work?
Is there is there a reason can I.
Speaker 8 (14:57):
Get Yeah, I mean I get clarif or does Jason, Sam?
Do you wanna do you want to clarify the Doug
or should I no?
Speaker 9 (15:04):
Go ahead?
Speaker 8 (15:05):
Okay, they don't have cameras, Doug. That's why they have
zero cameras in front of them. I have one. I
actually can't where my camera is. I can look into
the camera and see you, but you are actually behind
me on a computer, behind me running. We also aren't
streaming live on YouTube, but this is an opportunity for
you to see me, know when I'm available, when I'm
(15:25):
when I'm not available, and also if we have a
back and forth that they repurpose for social media purposes,
I can be on camera as well.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
So those are those a variety of reasons.
Speaker 8 (15:35):
But that's why you can't see Jason and Sam because
they don't have cameras in front of them.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Well, we need to get that eradicating because it's so
much better. And then again what Dan is saying is true.
We're not streamed on YouTube, but are the highlights of
this show are correct and other shows as well. So
just type in Fox Sports Radio check out the Fox
Sports Radio YouTube channel and you can check us out Doug.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
It sounds like you're a little remorseful about that. About
which part about not having cameras for us? Are you
a little remorseful?
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Why would it be? Oh? Oh, it is a terrible segue.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
I tried, I thought, was you did? Try?
Speaker 2 (16:14):
You did.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
What we basically do is the podcast we have You're Annoying,
which is for Jason Stewart to bitch and fetch over
all the things and people on earth that annoy him.
So we built these kind of built in segments really
for guys to kind of vent, which is why we
(16:36):
created Buyer's Remorse. So Dan, who's mostly almost always right,
repents for his sins of being wrong.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Let's get to it.
Speaker 10 (16:48):
Some have remorse.
Speaker 8 (16:49):
I am deeply sorry for my irresponsible and selfish behavior.
Speaker 9 (16:54):
I engage them, but.
Speaker 10 (16:55):
There's nothing quite like Buyer's remorse.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
What are your remortional for? Dan? Doug?
Speaker 8 (17:02):
Almost twenty four hours ago on this program, I think
I ended the Monday Show with you as you were
signing off as saying I like the thunder Big. Now
not only did I like the thunder Big, I actually
like the Celtics big, and I like the Calves Big.
I thought they're especially with the Thunder and Nuggets. Nuggets
(17:22):
coming off of that seven game series.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
With the Clippers. It was a short turnaround. Yeah, played
saturdayfl You're.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Not illogical, Yeah, so sports is illuch.
Speaker 8 (17:32):
I am zero for three. And if you think I'm
gonna learn from my ways, no I'm not. I'm not
even gonna save it for the end of the show.
Timberwolves big tonight over the Warriors. That's what we've got
in game one of their series.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
I know they're there. There's some people that say, why
don't you learn from your mistakes? I think Minnesota.
Speaker 8 (17:51):
I think Minnesota actually takes this series, not with ease,
but I think we'll see them in the Western Conference
Finals again. But I like the tea Wolves tonight. But
I just could letely misread these three game ones that
we were all upsets.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Maybe you're a dyslexic in your reading.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
I would feel bad about the Pacers.
Speaker 8 (18:07):
Maybe maybe that's the case, Doug, But you can't deny
what they can do offensively. And I know Tyre's Halliburton
is the most overrated player in that anonymous poll that
was done. Like, I get it and I understand it,
but gosh, he does make plays and he can't get
to the basket. And as much as I want to
(18:27):
write them off and dismiss them and saying that.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
I didn't right back, they didn't get.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
Right back, still doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
And they have a good Jason Jason.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
You know, Jason's sitting there going that was funny, and
it still doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 8 (18:41):
Just like you, they have a chance to go up
to oh because Darius Garland, Evan Mobley, DeAndre Hunter all
in serious question of whether they're going to be able
to play tonight. Yeah, I have not believed in the
road teams early in these conference semi finals. I know
we've got Ryan Hollins coming up in a little bit,
(19:02):
but I did Ryan and I did a show on.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
Saturday, so you know, easy to talk about.
Speaker 8 (19:06):
Well, I mean, obviously they'll have a take on the
Rockets and Warriors is a big topic of conversation, so
sure you'll dive into that and the rest of the
series as well. Just those Game sevens are tough to win,
they really are.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
They are tough. They are tough to win. Anything else.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
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Speaker 2 (19:38):
Let's welcome in.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Ryan Holmes Tenure, NBA VET, Fox Sports Radio NBA analysts,
also the Houston Rockets game analysts on TV and let's
dial back to Game seven. Rockets come up short against
the Warriors. They did such a great job bottling up
Steph Curry for the first I don't know two thirds
of the game. If if EMA was to call you
(20:01):
in and say, hey, what would we do wrong?
Speaker 2 (20:04):
What would you say?
Speaker 5 (20:07):
And frankly, I thought our guys lost their identity. And
I think the reason I say that is we have
a group that's stiffy, that doesn't mind getting up to
the edge and not.
Speaker 9 (20:28):
Necessarily going over.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
And I do believe that Houston was the better team.
Speaker 9 (20:35):
But at the end of the day, when.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
Experience outweighs your talent, that experience one. And I think
where you kind of negate experience is with the chippy
and emotional art play. And I think our guys almost
got too locked into just saying just play basketball. And
(20:58):
that sounds crazy to say, Doug, but our guys play
their best when they're at the edge, when they're right there.
So that's all I can say. And I think our
group did a great job looking to clean things up,
but I didn't feel like it was what we were
used to sing when Houston is at their best.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Why do you think they wanted to just my best?
They didn't want to get caught up in the Draymond
Green thing and the Jimmy Butler thing, and so guys
like just.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
Well, you know, at the end of the day, when
it comes out of basketball, and let's say you you
you know, you played this match a couple of times,
and our young guys get.
Speaker 9 (21:33):
Used to the experience.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
You know, you saw flashes where it's like, Okay, this
is the better team and if you get Jalen Green
going and you're shooting well, you know, it wouldn't be
necessarily a contest. But there's that deer in the headlights
look that you probably saw three times in this series,
Game one, probably Game three, the first one on the road,
and the last one.
Speaker 9 (21:53):
You see in.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
Game seven, because those are all completely different games to
be played. So I think the mindset was from game
five and six, the experience there and then going, oh man,
this is a different animal. And the emotional side is
what Houston has been able to ride with. And a
lot of times when the games get chippy, there's an altercation,
there's a little bumping and bruising going on. The group
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has played well, so I do understand it. Definitely with
the focus in the NBA definitely came in and played
things and called things a whole lot tighter as the
series went on.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Ryan Hollins is our guest here on the Doug Gottlieb
Show on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
It's very easy to look at the Celtic and say
they shot too many threes.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
You know, old guys just kind of yelling into the wind.
But when you have a twenty point lead, you gotta
be getting the free throw line right. You got to
wear people out. And it did feel like I thought
Dan Byer said it best, and I know you guys
were together. Did feel like they played with their food
some last night.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
Absolutely, you know when you're twenty and from seeing Boston, man,
they're so talented, But here's the reality that goes on.
Jason Tatum and Jaylen Brown. You know, when you get
in the crunch and I play with the Dirks and
the kg's and Paul Pierrice was our guy, and you
have a legit closer, you put the ball in their
(23:18):
hands and they make a play. Now, Jason Brunson was electric.
I mean, he made plays. Others I don't know how
they did go and trapped him to go get the
ball out of his hands and bullets him and pick
and roll situation and just try to make somebody else
beat you at that point. But he was unbelievable. And
it's really hard to maybe say that you're gonna see
(23:38):
that type of outing in the next game. And it's funny.
Everybody's going, you know, adjust, adjust, Doug. You know, obviously
you don't want to lose, not at home, but those
real adjustments don't come until later in the series. Now,
I don't think definitely we all know all is not
lost there with Boston, but I would have liked to
see Jason samu Jaalen Brown really get their group back
(24:02):
in it down the stretch and and make big plays
and you got you got money guys, and you're one
of those guys.
Speaker 9 (24:08):
That's where the expectations are.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, what'd
you think about the Thunder? And I mean, again, we
can make the Nuggets, so we can make it, but
the Thunder. But the Thunder their decision to foul early
with like ten seconds ago.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
Yeah, it was intriguing. You can get Yo Kic back
in the game. I thought in the situation, Sga, instead
of taking the time out, and he's an excellent free
throw shooter, he goes and takes the dunk, and I
thought that he should have kind of like took some
time off the game. I thought that was a kind
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of really missed you and.
Speaker 9 (24:51):
Dug I think we talked about it. I'm just scared
to the death.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
Of the Nuggets as the season of just winded down,
and I thought that's the and I know James a
lot of flack right now, but I thought the winner
of that series had a real.
Speaker 9 (25:07):
Potential to come out the West.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
Because how good those two two teams were playing at
the end of the day. And what's scary is you're
seeing this kind of backs against the wall motivated mentality
over there in Denver, and you know, you know, you
get some quality minutes from Russell Russell Westbrook on everything
that they're doing, and they're believing and really galvanizing together.
(25:29):
And you go on the road, man, and that's a
group that you got to be scared of.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
You know, at the end of the day, I know
how you feel about Houston and Philer are a better
team than Golden State. Well, how do you feel about
Minnesota versus Golden State?
Speaker 5 (25:49):
Like Minnesota, those states can beat up and emotionally you
can push past the game seven or one game scenario
and the unbelievable defensively, but I don't think they have
enough top to bottom. I think there's too many, uh
you know, too many holes in that roster. You know,
(26:10):
they kind of they got one way guys. In Golden State,
they got guys who can score it or.
Speaker 9 (26:16):
Guys who can defend.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
They don't really have both, and Minnesota has both.
Speaker 9 (26:21):
Anthony Edwards playing just.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
About it is better off anyone, best as anyone right
now in the world. Right now, you could argue he's
a top five player with with what we've seen. But
for Golden State and I will get you got to
give Houston A lot of credit. Houston guarded Steph Curry
probably the best he's been guarded, daring near in his
career in that last series. But the amount of detail
and the tension that was put, I don't know if
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Chris fin So to have the discipline. So I do
expect Curry to score more, but top to bottom, I
don't know if they have enough.
Speaker 9 (26:52):
And keep an eye on Draymond.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
Not that I'm going to complain for him to be
kicked out or all that. Let's playoff basketball, right, We're
beyond that. But Draymond is so small art that when
the tide starts to turn, or he thinks his team
needs a little bit more, he'll make one of those
plays to kind of get his guys charged up and.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Throw throw the other team at a rythm a little bit.
Speaker 9 (27:14):
Absolutely I saw for seven games. Dude.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Absolutely, yeah, No, there there's a there's a genius to
it is. There's absolutely kind of a genius. No one
does the uh accident, the accidental on purpose better than him.
Just no, I've never seen anybody do the accident on purpose.
It's it's it's like he's Argentinian, right, Like if you're
(27:37):
bleader nastal basket's like it's urgent, like.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Dud didn't mean to but you just can't the guy
right in the nuts? What are you? What are you
even talking about? Uh? Are the Cavs in trouble? I
know it's for just one game, but Garland's.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
Got yes, yes, I mean dam birthday by Rod.
Speaker 9 (27:57):
I know he's somewhere.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
I've been telling you Indiana, for real, dudes, do we
not act like they didn't play in the Eastern Conference
finals last year. I know there's injuries people can talk about. Listen, man,
they moved to basketball, they play fast, They've been war
tested last year. Rick Carlow is a top five coach
in the NBA. I played for Rick. He can draw
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the x's and o's. He can take you out of
stuff that you want to do, and if you're a
one trick pony, he'll find it out. You see that
success he had in that championship against Lebron James. He
forced Lebron to be better. And while the Calves are
so much better, I think the Calves like equip their
team to beat.
Speaker 9 (28:36):
Boston, but I don't think they saw Indiana coming, man, and.
Speaker 11 (28:39):
They are a headache and Hallaburton.
Speaker 5 (28:42):
He's one of those unique guys with Luca and Harden
and Lebron and you know, you know, hey, if you
want to throw Brunton in there, the way he's playing,
but he can control a game with his passing, he
can control a game with his scoring. Indiana is legit,
dude to you right now. I picked them before, and
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there's no surprise that they if they get past Cleveland,
it's tough because they have such an unbelievable season in Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Is Yanish a buck next year?
Speaker 9 (29:17):
It would't surprised me.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
You want to know why hears the reality? I think
this is as much of a big deal he's got
to look at as any He's so loyal, dude. And
the one trend that we've seen in the past is
that Milwaukee's not willing to cut times with him, even
if it's smart, even if it's saying, this is the
most we can get and you better get you better,
you know, get the full five draft picks, you know,
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along with it, and now we're the NBA will throw
a The NBA might be on that one if he
just goes for anything less. But Milwaukee has shown that
they're willing to do anything to make him happy, you know,
go after a star or go after a player. Hey, shoot,
you might have to sign the NASA's and I had
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a little brother overseas right now.
Speaker 9 (30:01):
But I can see.
Speaker 5 (30:02):
Milwaukee stepping up to the table and doing everything they
can to keep him happy. But ultimately, I think the
honest's heart is somewhere else. He knows he needs to go,
But I don't know if he if he's willing to
pull the trigger, don't. I don't. He would have to
prove to me and show that. I just I don't
think so. And clearly, Doug, you know at Houston has
the best they're the best fit if you're talking about
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assets to get him, But that would be a whole different,
whole different scenario going right there.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Okay, stug otlib show here on Fox Sports Radio, U
how do NBA guys view Lebron and how the thing ended?
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Right?
Speaker 9 (30:43):
Like?
Speaker 1 (30:44):
He had the weird answer when he was asked about
you know, what they need to add and he goes like, hey,
AD said something, and then he was gone. And then
they asked him about Luke. Hey, this is going to
be Lucas deal. The rest of the time, not mine, like,
how do and then you know he has the knee injury,
(31:04):
so that which they announced afterwards, you wouldn't even know.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Play they kept playing anyway.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
How do NBA people as a ten year vet, you're
around those circles more than I am.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
How do they feel about them?
Speaker 5 (31:16):
Well, you know, for the current players, you kind of
know that stuff is above your pay grade, you know
what I'm saying. You know Lebron has certain privileges for
the current players. Then then what you have and the
focus and say, hey, let me do what I need
to do. While you're around them, there you get a
lot of the parts. It's full, there's nothing like being
in LA, but it comes at a big cost.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
You.
Speaker 5 (31:37):
Now, for the former players, we go, come on Lebron, like,
you don't need to sell it. We know you, We
know you were aware of the ad trade and you
know obviously open arms you know, took Luca in at
the end of the day and when it kind of backfired,
you know, you didn't have a center on the floor
and you're going, dang, we don't have a center. The
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deal with Mark Williams didn't work out, so you know
you probably didn't see that coming. And I think me personally,
I think it was unnecessary for him to say. I
think right now, for Lebron, this's is more. We got
respect for his legacy, everything he's done, and there's no
question there. But you did raise an eyebrow for the
former players who saw that. But for the current guys,
(32:18):
you know, you know what's him for Himmate for you, you
know you don't get away with those things or not
previous to those to those conversations ran.
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Speaker 1 (33:28):
That was on the Altitude Radio Network. What a comeback,
What a win. Some interesting happened yesterday, I think Dan
it happened during the show when Justin Tucker was released.
Speaker 8 (33:43):
No, it happened right when the show ended, five o'clock
Eastern time. Yeah, news came down.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Yeah, weird. Obviously.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Usually if it's if you're gonna release somebody five o'clock Eastern,
you want to do it. You want to do it
on a news drop Friday, like a what is it?
What is it called news dump Friday?
Speaker 9 (34:05):
Right?
Speaker 2 (34:06):
A news dump Friday is usually on a holiday weekend.
You do it.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
It's an old political tactic, right where you make an
announcement at after four o'clock. So anybody whose print journalism
has already you know, submitted all their stuff. Everybody's gone
and by the time Tuesday comes around, people are back
at work. The story has been buried five times over.
It's essentially what they did, only it was it was
on a Monday. Here's the post from Eric DaCosta, who's
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the executive vice president general manager. Sometimes football decisions are
incredibly difficult, and this one this is one of those instances.
Considering our current roster, we've made the tough decision to
release Justin Tucker. Justin created many significant and unforgive favable
moments in Raven's history. He's reliable. His reliability, focus, drive,
resilience and extraordinary talent made him one of the league's
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best kickers for over a decade. We are grateful of
Justin's many contributions while playing for the Ravens. We sincerely
wish him and his family the very best in the
next chapter of their lives. I've been told that's tone deaf.
If that's tone deaf, I don't know what tone you're
looking for. Right There is nothing about uh, there's nothing
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in there. But he's an amazing human being, an amazing husband.
They didn't go like over the top of it. They
just kept it in football. Hey man, the hell of
a player. He made great football plays. We're choosing to
make this because of football. That's, by the way, how
you're supposed to do it. Don't make it about anything.
It's just make it about football. And he had a
rough year considering he's one of the all time great kickers.
(35:44):
And now we're gonna move on. Done, we wash our
hands of it. I guess my question and I'll tell
you what I think the answer is, and then you
guys tell me if you agree or disagree.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
That fair, Dan.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
I think that that's fair for you. Here's what I think.
I don't think there's more coming out. Might might there
be another massage therapist. Maybe I don't think that does
additional damage, And I reserve the right to be wrong.
I just think this was the smartest, easiest way to
do it, in a non confrontational way, because they couldn't
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have on the football team anymore. Because I know there's
some speculation, Well, they wouldn't do this unless there was
more coming out? Does there have to be, Like, I
think we've had enough. Clearly it was his thing, Whether
the women were coerced to doing it, whether it was
a normal thing and they knew, I don't know, and
(36:45):
I don't know if every one of them is telling
the exact truth, then I don't actually care. Sixteen Women
feels like a lot. It's you got Tony buzzbeat again,
where he finds somebody and then he finds somebody. He
there's a pattern for I'm gonna find that pattern and
I'm gonna make whoever this guy is suffer. That's what
happened with Deshaun Watson. That's what's happening here. But I'm
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of the opinion that this is just like, hey, look,
your production has to be better than your problems, and
these are big problems, and your production wasn't great, and
so we're gonna move on.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
You buy that, buyer. Do you think there's more coming out?
Speaker 8 (37:29):
No, I don't think that there's more coming out. In
a way, I think that the Ravens were a little
damned if you do, damned if you don't. If he
just writes we're releasing justin Tucker, I think speculation then
maybe goes that way that they think more is coming out.
Maybe there's I just don't know which right way to
(37:50):
put it. I would say it did feel like they
were leaning towards making Tucker feel better instead of maybe
towing the center line of it. That I think is
what people expected unless other people expecting them to go
completely other way. But Tucker has denied all of these allegations,
and so I yeah, I think that they that he
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was in a tough spot. I do think that they
they with the sometimes football decisions are incredibly difficult. I
think that is leaning towards Tucker a little bit. But
I think he would have been criticized no matter what
statement they would have released.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
I mean, it was they made it into a football decision.
And oh yeah, by the way, these are all allegations. Now, Okay,
it doesn't look good. I mean, none of us are
saying it looks. It looks good. But until there's there
has been no civil trial, there's been no settlements, there's
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no criminal trial even on the docket. So these are
merely allegations.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
Right correct.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Okay, we can all have our opinion on if it
happened or didn't happen or whatever, but they are at
this point allegations. And so if you're being critical of
the uh of the Baltimore Ravens, remember, like I understand
it was, who is the kicker in Buffalo? Let's bring
(39:23):
in John Middcoff, joh Middlecoff Joints just three nots the podcast,
of course, in the Volume podcast network. Middle Coff, what
are your thoughts on Justin Tucker getting released yesterday?
Speaker 11 (39:32):
Yeah, I mean I think there are a couple of teams,
or I mean, excuse me, a couple of positions where
when you just.
Speaker 13 (39:37):
Become a story, your margin.
Speaker 14 (39:40):
Peer and your leashes zero.
Speaker 11 (39:41):
You know, teams will deal obviously with quarterbacks and path
rushers and wide receivers, but the special teams unit, whether
you're one of the greatest kickers of all time, like
Justin Tucker, or whether you're just.
Speaker 14 (39:53):
Some random guy you just listen.
Speaker 11 (39:57):
No one has any clue whether this happened or not,
beside the people that you know Tucker and people accusing him.
Speaker 9 (40:04):
But this is not The.
Speaker 14 (40:05):
Ravens don't care.
Speaker 11 (40:05):
I mean, they just drafted in the second round a
guy who was accused in high school and in college
of sexual assault. This is simply he's not any good anymore.
And he had his lowest percentage that you know, it
was hovering just barely over seventy percent, when this guy
could eighty five percent in his sleep in some years
as well over ninety and obviously his leg he could
kick game.
Speaker 13 (40:26):
Winners from sixty plus.
Speaker 11 (40:27):
But last year you just be watching the Ravens and
it kind of became like that venitary thing at the end.
I mean different Vanitari didn't quite as a.
Speaker 13 (40:35):
Leg of Justin Tucker. But he's just the guy was shot.
Speaker 11 (40:37):
And I don't know if this guy is shot, but
he's not as dominant he once was. And this is like, yeah,
we're not dealing with this.
Speaker 14 (40:43):
So I think it's really just that simple.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
John Minakoff joins the share in the Doug Gottlieb show
any idea what Cleveland's doing at quarterback?
Speaker 11 (40:53):
Yeah, I mean I think the owner got involved because
you know, I think when you're drafting any position, you
can draft multiple d tackles, you can draft multiple wide receivers,
you can draft multiple guards.
Speaker 13 (41:06):
It doesn't matter.
Speaker 14 (41:07):
You can just rotate them in. That's not the way
quarterbacks work.
Speaker 11 (41:10):
And I know these guys are antically analytically driven, but
they My theory was pretty simple that they drafted. They
cut quote unquote overdrafted Dylan Gabriel because Chador was falling
and the owner's hovering behind him in the draft room
hopefully just shut him up.
Speaker 13 (41:26):
And then he just kept falling.
Speaker 11 (41:28):
And then the owner forced it because it makes no
football sense.
Speaker 5 (41:32):
To do this.
Speaker 14 (41:33):
And I think it's pretty clear.
Speaker 13 (41:36):
You know, this is an owner and.
Speaker 11 (41:38):
An executive team slash coach, two separate players. We thought
this a long time ago. It's been well reported. The
Shanahan family.
Speaker 14 (41:46):
Did not want RG three.
Speaker 13 (41:47):
He wasn't their type.
Speaker 11 (41:48):
Quarterback that they Now you could argue they were a
little wrong because probably still he got injured. He was
pretty dynamics, but they wanted more of their type guy,
and why they took Cousins, and they were the owner
for them take RG three.
Speaker 13 (42:01):
They took Cousins.
Speaker 11 (42:02):
And I think this is different because on the game
or one of these guys close to RG three, But
I think it's somewhat similar. You have two different fractions,
and let's face and the owner gets what.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
He wants right down, He gets what he wants. Does
that mean Dylan Gabriel has no shot?
Speaker 13 (42:18):
Well, that's the thing.
Speaker 11 (42:18):
I mean, unless Jimmy Haslam, I'm going to ask for
the practice plan every day during training camp because this
is you know, it happen between coaches and gms a lot.
Like you know, in your program, you're the GM and
the coach, so you get you kind of as most
coaches are, right, but in the pros, you know, sometimes
gms have a little more jew so they can pick
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players and maybe the coach doesn't want but then practice starts.
It's not like the coach or the gms are setting
the practice schedule.
Speaker 13 (42:45):
It's the same thing here.
Speaker 11 (42:46):
So you know, listen, they can manipulate it any way
they want, especially in preseason games. So it's going to
be a weird spot for Dylan Gabriel, But I would
imagine he's going to get more reps early on because
he was a higher pick.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
One. One would think it.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
Okay, you get drafted, your thought of as the best
you know, outside linebacker in the draft, and you ask
for Lawrence Taylor's number.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
What was your reaction?
Speaker 11 (43:21):
I you know, in a weird way. I understand if
you're of a certain age you see this it is insanity.
But it'd be allots to say the same thing, like
I get drafted by the Bulls, I want Michael Jordan's number,
which seems crazy. But a kid drafted, you know, in
a couple of months in the NBA was born.
Speaker 14 (43:39):
Well after Michael Jordan.
Speaker 11 (43:40):
Played his last NBA game, and for Lawrence Taylor. I
mean when was his last NFL game? Ninety three, ninety four.
I'm pretty sure a duel Carter was drafted.
Speaker 14 (43:49):
In the two thousands.
Speaker 11 (43:50):
So if you had watched this guy play, like, would
he have done this if it was the equivalent of
you know some you know, Aaron Donald on the Red
know a player like that you had clearly watched. Maybe not,
but I give a little more leeway. I think sometimes
we forget the age gap. I mean with Lawrence Taylor
early sixties, I mean, this gets twenty, so I he
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has no clue. Now he's gonna I'm sure Brian Dabole
and those guys are going.
Speaker 13 (44:17):
To show him.
Speaker 11 (44:18):
But I don't think he quite understands, you know, what
he asked for, which I kind of understand given his age.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
Okay, you've we've had a couple weeks of process. Now
now that you have what do you really like?
Speaker 9 (44:34):
Who?
Speaker 1 (44:35):
What do you really like in terms of what somebody's
doing in building with the draft and with free agency?
Speaker 11 (44:40):
Actually, yeah, I was at I was at a party
last night and I was talking to a big Titans
fan and I said, you know, of all the teams
that had different needs and obviously most teams do. It's
hard to fathom how poor and bad the quarterback play
was in Tennessee. I mean, it couldn't have been much.
Speaker 5 (44:58):
Worse, especially early in the Seas season.
Speaker 11 (45:00):
Their defense was good, but you get to a point
when your offense suck in football where the defense just
eventually tires out, kind of taps out. So the second
half of the season, like, I give him a little
bit of a break if cam Ward is just a
functional player, let alone, like, you know, a talented young
We've seen some of these guys recently in the draft
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of like they can make a big difference. All of
a sudden, Tennessee could be like competitive. Now I'm not
saying like win the division or a playoff team, but
all of a sudden, you look like could they hover
around five hundred? So I think that individual has the
chance to make the biggest impact. Given the guy he's replaced.
It who I just couldn't have been much worse.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
In twenty twenty four, Does Aaron Rodgers play for the Steelers?
Speaker 14 (45:48):
Yeah, I mean I creels kind of inevitable at this point.
Speaker 13 (45:50):
I mean, they didn't take quarterback.
Speaker 14 (45:53):
High that they would use.
Speaker 11 (45:55):
I think, I guess because will Howard Lake, but I
think the owner raps she It said on television that
he has said on local radio that all signs point.
I don't quite know what the hold up is. I
mean at this point in time. He said personal reasons
a month ago. But they's at the Kentucky Derby. I mean,
if I'm the Steelers, like we'd kind of like you
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at OTAs just just a couple of days a week
that's runs the practices. I don't know, get to know
your teammates. I mean, if we're gonna dance, let's dance.
So my guess is I would imagine the Steelers have
practiced next week. Maybe maybe we get some clarity on
this over the next I don't know, six seven days.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
That seems like that seems like a pretty decent timeline,
pretty pretty decent timeline. Jim Harbaugh said he woke up
and and realized he had to get Justin Herbert into
the Hall of Fame. I just woke up. I mean
I stuck. Some of it's performative, some of it is
that's who Harbaugh is. How that land on you when
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you heard him say that?
Speaker 13 (47:00):
Yeah, I mean you and me.
Speaker 11 (47:02):
We followed Jeff's career for a long time. I mean,
he makes statements wherever he goes that are I don't
even want to say outlandish, because I do think Justin
Herbert can be a Hall of Famer, but just a
little hyperbolics at the moment he says him, I was
thinking after he said it, like, let's say they just
drafted Hall of famer in all last year. They already
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have a guy at left tackle who's damn good, so
they got two sweet tackles. I think Harbaugh is a
pretty good resume of understanding who's good and who's not
at running back, and so with Ortiz in Baltimore, who's
now his GM, and with Chargers, if those two guys
are cornerstone players with their star quarterback, and we know
Harbaugh's defenses because of the offense he runs, are just
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always going to be good. I mean, it's just the
way they are physical team. That's how you who you
practice against. Your defense to me, gets better when you
practice against that old school offense.
Speaker 14 (47:56):
Like I think they could be a massive problem in
the next couple of years.
Speaker 11 (47:59):
And if they hit on Hampton, he is in a
couple of years one of the better running backs in
the NFL because we know they're gonna have a good
offensive line. They signed Becton, who might have just resurrected
his career at guard. So you're you're gonna have some
ability to road grade. And this kid, I mean, he's
a feast.
Speaker 9 (48:15):
I know that.
Speaker 11 (48:15):
I'm sure he saw that picture. Now, granted the picture
was a little manipulated our balls a pretty big guy,
but Hampton. People in the NFL love this guy. I
know Jens, he got all the hype, but this guy,
you know, he's five eleven, he runs like a four
to four.
Speaker 14 (48:31):
He carried a team that was terrible, So I'm pretty
bull I love that pick, especially the fit.
Speaker 11 (48:36):
So I I don't know, man, I think they got
a chance this this upcoming year to really really challenge
the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (48:46):
Buyer's a little upset. I played Aaron Hills today and
he said, because of our friendship and because he's more
of the golf guy obviously than I have, I should
have given him the heads up, not come on to
the show and said, hey, by the way I played.
Speaker 8 (49:01):
That's not that Even shows are disconnect even more like
I go to Aaron Hills, I know people at Aaron
Hills That's where the problem is.
Speaker 4 (49:10):
It's not that you know, it's not that you got
to go today. It's just there's there's there's not like
a heads up. That's that's the problem.
Speaker 9 (49:19):
John.
Speaker 2 (49:19):
It's nothing that I've given him a heads up.
Speaker 13 (49:23):
Well, first, wou'd you shoot?
Speaker 2 (49:26):
Honestly I didn't. It was bad, I was.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
I mean, I haven't played I literally hadn't played golf
since basketball season started.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
I was awful.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
I had a I did have a birdie on the
hardest hole in the course by the way, just by
the way.
Speaker 14 (49:38):
But you are.
Speaker 11 (49:40):
Yeah, I mean I think sometimes you get it, you know.
I don't know. Was this a long plan thing or
is this a late call?
Speaker 1 (49:47):
It was it was I have a dear friend, Rolly Lahey,
who runs the corporate side for the U.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
S g A.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
And she had me down here last time, and they
had some of the media out here before and and
so she had said, hey, you can you can do
your show. You could have it a foursome, And honestly
I had forgotten. I had I had the dates lined
up right before the open and she texted me, I
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don't know, it's Thursday or Friday, like, hey, are you
guys still good for eight am on Tuesday, I'm like, oh,
so I got a couple buddies and we came down here.
Speaker 2 (50:23):
We played. It was great, but I didn't give Dan
a heads up, and he's not very happy with me.
Speaker 8 (50:29):
You know what.
Speaker 11 (50:30):
You know what I was thinking last night, and you're
a good guy. Asked us watch the Oki sh just
I mean, I don't know. It's like one of the
greatest athletes I've ever watched in my entire life for
any sport. What he would have looked like in like
the heyday, like when I was a kid and you
were younger, in the nineties with all those good centers
and so many of them are good places, what would
his numbers have been in like the peak of you know,
(50:52):
the Kem bay Alonzo patches, viewing Shack, all those type bods,
David Robinson.
Speaker 13 (50:58):
I mean, the league is so small.
Speaker 2 (51:00):
Now, I don't think.
Speaker 1 (51:02):
Yeah, yeah, I actually think in many ways he might
have been as a more effective He's he's a bonus.
He's like Sabonis without the without the Achilles injuries. You know,
he's just so clever as the passer. Yeah, I think
I remember.
Speaker 11 (51:17):
Now I'm the guy I probably once had already been injured,
couldn't really move.
Speaker 1 (51:21):
That well, right because he had Sabonis before he tore
his achilles ten and was supposed to be incredible.
Speaker 2 (51:27):
Uh, Johnny, we got to go.
Speaker 1 (51:28):
You're the best three ounce of podcast you got on
the On the Volume podcast network.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
Thanks so much for joining us.
Speaker 9 (51:33):
By bye,
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(00:24):
actually from Aaron Hills. I I'm glad that I can't
see Buyer on our YouTube channel, on our digitals, on
our digital feed, because I could, just I could, I
will be able to sense his jealousy because if you
played with me today, my friends, did you know that
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I am not a golfer. I the last time I
played golf was actually here, and it was last year,
the day of our first practice, ironically, and I looked
like a guy who hadn't swung a golf CLB been
however many months, it's been well welcome in. This is
the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. A
good amount to talk about Justin Tucker getting released. I'm
(01:11):
always cautious with the words that you use. Maybe we
need to think about that. He was waived is a
better word than released Anyway, that's maybe a little bit
too deep. Let's instead get to last night's game. Celtics
at a twenty point lead, they lose at home, Thunder
have a lead late, they lose at home, and we
(01:32):
could get into why the Thunder fouled up three early
in the early with the with the clock remaining, we
get into what actually happened on the last play. But
I just think the easiest thing is this. Look, I'm
I'm fully aware of what my team's record was at
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the end of our first year, and I could go
in to the reasons and sometimes they could sound like
excuses or whatever, but I continue to believe.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
I don't believe.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
I know that you have to teach players everything, and
the hardest thing to teach them how to do is
to win. And winning is different in different situations. And
you're like, well, that's you know, that's that's that sounds
like obvious talk, Like yeah, it is. But winning a
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game like that, finding a way to finish, finding a
way to close, if you haven't done it before, it's
hard to just do it. It's hard to just do
it and It doesn't mean that forever the Oklahoma City
Thunder or Chet Holgren is going to be a choker.
(02:48):
But he choked last night, and it's kind of obvious. Yeah,
maybe they shouldn't have fouled so early up three. Okay,
I again, we all fall back on the hard and
fast rules. Our last home game of the year, under
seven sects to go, which is generally the hard and
fast rule, we fouled up three points. The problem is
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we're one of the worst rebounding teams in the country.
We were going against one of the best rebounding teams
in the country, and they were also a high volume,
low make three point shooting team. So we probably should
have just challenged a three point shot and not fouled
late in the game, especially because the guy we fouled,
you know, when we filed, they only had one or
two three point shooters in the court. But I digress.
(03:33):
The point is this Chet Holmgren is I don't know
if he'll ever be as good as people wanted him
to be. I don't know if this is a Nick
Anderson type of moment. And if you don't remember Nick Anderson,
he was the star with the Orlando Magic. He missed
four consecutive free throws in Game one of their NBA
Finals series against the Houston Rockets. Back when Houston won
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their first was a first or a second title, second second,
back to back titles, right, and Nick Anderson was never
the same as a player. But the point is that
you gotta That's something you kind of can't teach.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
They just gotta do, and.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Eventually you do it enough, you know how to get
it done. And this is why the old guys that
foul so much and don't move as well, why they
become more effective in the playoffs is because they don't
miss two consecutive free throws. They don't leave an Aaron
Gordon and help when help wasn't really needed on a
Russell Westbrook drive and he killed them at both ends.
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But winning is the last thing and the hardest thing
to teach. And just because you've won in the regular
season is not like winning in the postseason.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
That's a completely different animal. And it's the old Rudy
Tom Jonovich.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Never underestimate the heart of a champion, Yeah, just I
honestly think, never underestimate how valuable it is when you've
won that last game, when you've won a seven game series,
when you've won a Western Conference Finals, when you've won
an NBA championship. When you've done that, you're kind of
playing with house money.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
That's really what it is, kind of playing with house money.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Because we can criticize whatever Jamal Murray and which Jamal
Murray is the real Jamal Murray. We can criticize Nikolae
Jokic some at times for his defense, whatever, but you
can't be critical of the fact that or you can't
go back forever. They are actually champions. They have actually
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done it, and we can be hopeful towards Shay Gildas Alexander,
we can be helpful towards chet Holmgren, but until they
do it, they still wear the badge of they've never
done it before. And when you haven't done it before.
Last year, they lose to the Dallas Mavericks, who on
paper would feel like an inferior team, but to beat them.
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This year, they're down one game and none to the
Denver Nuggets. It doesn't mean they're going to lose the series.
And it happened right on the back of the Boston
Celtics and defending NBA champions losing at home to the
New York Dicks after being up twenty in the second half.
But until you've actually done it. Boston Celtics did it
(06:23):
last year. That's that benefit of the doubt. You're never
going to get the benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Never.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
It's a Doug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Rader.
Here's the Thunderhead coach Mark Dagno explaining why they fouled
up early in the chaklack up three in the early
in the shock clock.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
That's usually our deal is to file up three and
to play that game. I thought we executed the files
pretty well, got the ball and bounds pretty well. It
didn't go our way tonight, but it's worked out well
for us in the past. We'll continue to look at it,
maybe learn from it. But I didn't think that's why
we lost the game.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Here's why his team lost.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
You said that the filing situation now in stretch wasn't
why you lost.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
What would you boil it down to why you lost
this one?
Speaker 4 (07:10):
I mean just overall execution on both ends of the floor.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
I thought defensive execution, we had a lot of possessions
that we can clean up and learn from. The rebounding
we can definitely learn from. They had a lot of offensive
rebounds to I'd give him a lot of second life
and then our execution down the stretch offensively.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Yeah, execution offensively down the stretch. Here's David Adelman, who's
the interim head coach now was he named the full
time head coach of the of the Denver Nuggets.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
On the impact of Aaron Gordon.
Speaker 6 (07:43):
Aaron's going to be a hero again. But I'm also
looking at fourteen rebounds, so I'm looking at twenty two points.
I'm looking at ball handling, responsibilities, leadership. He is a
Denver nugget man like he is the soul of our team.
So cool to see him have two moments that no
one will ever forget.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Here's Aaron Gordon talking about his game winn He shot.
Speaker 7 (08:06):
Great poise, great poise with this team between Jamal Murray, Nicola,
Yo kicks, you got Hall of Famer, Russell Westbrook, you
got CB was steven into his own. So a lot
of guys stepped up. But I think are poised and uh,
I believe that we were gonna win no matter the circumstances.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Yeah, I mean, look, because they've done it before. They
don't have any sort of fear. You're still playing with
house money, and you have the calmness of knowing you've
done before and thus you can do it again. Byron
didn't have my camera on initially when I said I
played at Aaron Hills today. I'm telling you, like the
USGA had us out today because you know the Women's
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US Open is here in twenty two days. When I
say it was like a great day for golf, Like
the rough is not the it is not that high.
You know they're gonna let it grow here these next
three weeks, and it is was like seventy two by
like seventy two, seventy five and breezy, so you get
just enough of the wind but not so much that
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you're like you have to be really really good.
Speaker 8 (09:09):
It's just a good barometer test by the way of
like friendship and connection. Like Sam last week did not
tell us that didn't tell me that he was out
on Friday, so it was a surprise, you like not
being like, hey man, I guess what I'm gonna be
at Aaron Hills on Tuesday, Like you doing it after
the fact, like is a good barometer of like where
we stand, Like I feel like Jason would tell me,
(09:32):
I just like you and Sam are just like after
the fact people of like, oh, yeah, I'm not in
on Friday. I feel like, hey, guys, guess what I'm
not going to be in on this day or I'm
going to be doing on this on that day. I
feel it's a barometer, and so it feels it's a
little bit of a hit Dug. To be honest with you,
that like I didn't I didn't even get the like
(09:52):
obligatory heads up. The nation found out when I found out,
the world found out when I found out.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Wow, it's a fair critique. It is. It is.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
It's it's not intended to be personal. It feels personal,
it does, really.
Speaker 8 (10:06):
I also thoughts on the thunder nuggets, but I could not.
I could not stay away from making those comments.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
I sincerely pass you would have you honestly, this is
a day where I'm like, you would have loved this for.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
A fact, Yeah, that would have been great.
Speaker 8 (10:19):
No, I'm for the record, For the record, it's my
anniversary today, So I would not have been even been
able to go if Doug said, you know what, why
don't you come home for a couple of days?
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Aren't you come and you know, play some golf.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I knew that I touched Lea. Yes, yes, I didn't
want to put you in that situation. All right, coming
up next to the Doug Gotlie show here on Fox Sports,
do you.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Not want to hear my Thunder Nuggets thoughts?
Speaker 9 (10:39):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Yeah, yeah, go, I'm sorry.
Speaker 8 (10:41):
Sorry, I just wanted to. I think that dag No
was my two cents completely off the mark. They fouled
way too early at ten seconds. The rule is usually.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Under ten seconds or whatever, under seven.
Speaker 8 (10:52):
There you go perfect to follow him in the backcourt
and then to make it a free throw shooting contest
when you're the ones in the lead. Nuggets said nothing
to lose, Thunder and everything to lose. I I I
think that they completely I don't even chalk it up
to youth. I think that they just botched that scenario
in that in that last fall, that was the biggest
(11:13):
difference in the game, when they were able to uh
go up three on the SGA dunk and then let
basically no time run off and they were basically back
where they were.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
It's it's actually for many people, it swung the other
way to where it's a you know, uh John Roth scene,
you know what is he?
Speaker 2 (11:34):
What does he does? These three rules? He's a college
basketball guy at at C's college.
Speaker 8 (11:39):
Basketball's se right now, long sleep, But he'll have.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
These tweetseries like, you know, three things like never acknowledge
Godfather three, I forget.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
What yeah, never get never eat pizza outside of the
Eastern time zone.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
That's always foul up three. And I'm just telling you,
I lived it. You don't always foul up three, okay.
And there's a specific timing element of it. I would
say in the NBA is probably less than seven seconds
because of you know, advancing the basketball, how long it
actually takes, all these other things. But yeah, ten seconds.
(12:13):
I've never heard under ten. I've always heard under seven.
Brad Stevens is the first one to verbalize it that
I ever heard of, and he said, under seven.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
That's what I've kind of lived by. We fouled with
six point eight, still lost this year.
Speaker 8 (12:24):
I also this is minor, but I have a real
problem with guys chucking up three quarter court shots. I
would rather be late, but get my shot off at
half court, like, at least take the chance that I
have a better chance of making a half court shot.
So when Tyrese Haliburton had his bucket against the Bucks
in Game five, Giannis just threw it into Gary Trent
(12:45):
in the.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Back, throwing it down the court.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Yeah to portus.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Yeah, we're just down there.
Speaker 8 (12:49):
One point three seconds left, like you're not gonna make it.
Last night the Thunder no timeouts, but they had two
point eight seconds. Yeah, they panicked and Williams just got
the inbound and chucked one up.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
And you know it's really interesting. Now, look, our guys panicked.
We practiced since last summer. We practiced between three and
seven seconds, what we do three and under seconds, what
we do seven seconds and over what we do, like,
practice it all the time. And with four seconds ago
in that same Oakland game, they we just threw it
in and dribbled up to court and shot probably a logo three.
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Wasn't a terrible shot, but what was the point of
practicing what we wanted to do Otherwise?
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Anyway, I agree with you like it is it is.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
But it's also because NBA teams usually have an extra timeout,
so they usually advance the basketball and they're prepared for it.
And then in the rare cases, and there's two games
that they each team did not have timeouts. I thought
the inbounder panicked and threw it to kind of the
the closest guy, and you end up taking a seventy
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five foot shot, which is you know you're gonna make
five percent or less of the time oras at mid court,
you're probably percentages in the twenty.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
Percent more steps.
Speaker 8 (14:05):
Yeah, Nuggets, the Thunder used two of their timeouts at
twelve seconds and at ten seconds so and which then
goes back to the strategy dog of them fouling immediately,
which forced them to use two timeouts in two seconds
of game time. Deg now can say like we just
yeah with some other things. No, they completely botched the
ending of the game, and it's it's on them.
Speaker 10 (14:25):
This is the best of the Done gott Leap Show
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Eh, it's the Dog gott Leeb Show Fox Sports Radio.
Your listeners now, but you only can see us. Hey
hey hi.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
No, our show's not streamed live yet yet. But that's
a big yawn. Dan, you're gonna make me on. You're
gonna make me on. Damn you like, look right, the
camera made me on. Why doesn't your guys camera work?
Is there is there a reason can I.
Speaker 8 (14:57):
Get Yeah, I mean I get clarif or does Jason, Sam?
Do you wanna do you want to clarify the Doug
or should I no?
Speaker 9 (15:04):
Go ahead?
Speaker 8 (15:05):
Okay, they don't have cameras, Doug. That's why they have
zero cameras in front of them. I have one. I
actually can't where my camera is. I can look into
the camera and see you, but you are actually behind
me on a computer, behind me running. We also aren't
streaming live on YouTube, but this is an opportunity for
you to see me, know when I'm available, when I'm
(15:25):
when I'm not available, and also if we have a
back and forth that they repurpose for social media purposes,
I can be on camera as well.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
So those are those a variety of reasons.
Speaker 8 (15:35):
But that's why you can't see Jason and Sam because
they don't have cameras in front of them.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Well, we need to get that eradicating because it's so
much better. And then again what Dan is saying is true.
We're not streamed on YouTube, but are the highlights of
this show are correct and other shows as well. So
just type in Fox Sports Radio check out the Fox
Sports Radio YouTube channel and you can check us out Doug.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
It sounds like you're a little remorseful about that. About
which part about not having cameras for us? Are you
a little remorseful?
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Why would it be? Oh? Oh, it is a terrible segue.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
I tried, I thought, was you did? Try?
Speaker 2 (16:14):
You did.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
What we basically do is the podcast we have You're Annoying,
which is for Jason Stewart to bitch and fetch over
all the things and people on earth that annoy him.
So we built these kind of built in segments really
for guys to kind of vent, which is why we
(16:36):
created Buyer's Remorse. So Dan, who's mostly almost always right,
repents for his sins of being wrong.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Let's get to it.
Speaker 10 (16:48):
Some have remorse.
Speaker 8 (16:49):
I am deeply sorry for my irresponsible and selfish behavior.
Speaker 9 (16:54):
I engage them, but.
Speaker 10 (16:55):
There's nothing quite like Buyer's remorse.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
What are your remortional for? Dan? Doug?
Speaker 8 (17:02):
Almost twenty four hours ago on this program, I think
I ended the Monday Show with you as you were
signing off as saying I like the thunder Big. Now
not only did I like the thunder Big, I actually
like the Celtics big, and I like the Calves Big.
I thought they're especially with the Thunder and Nuggets. Nuggets
(17:22):
coming off of that seven game series.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
With the Clippers. It was a short turnaround. Yeah, played
saturdayfl You're.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Not illogical, Yeah, so sports is illuch.
Speaker 8 (17:32):
I am zero for three. And if you think I'm
gonna learn from my ways, no I'm not. I'm not
even gonna save it for the end of the show.
Timberwolves big tonight over the Warriors. That's what we've got
in game one of their series.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
I know they're there. There's some people that say, why
don't you learn from your mistakes? I think Minnesota.
Speaker 8 (17:51):
I think Minnesota actually takes this series, not with ease,
but I think we'll see them in the Western Conference
Finals again. But I like the tea Wolves tonight. But
I just could letely misread these three game ones that
we were all upsets.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Maybe you're a dyslexic in your reading.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
I would feel bad about the Pacers.
Speaker 8 (18:07):
Maybe maybe that's the case, Doug, But you can't deny
what they can do offensively. And I know Tyre's Halliburton
is the most overrated player in that anonymous poll that
was done. Like, I get it and I understand it,
but gosh, he does make plays and he can't get
to the basket. And as much as I want to
(18:27):
write them off and dismiss them and saying that.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
I didn't right back, they didn't get.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
Right back, still doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
And they have a good Jason Jason.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
You know, Jason's sitting there going that was funny, and
it still doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 8 (18:41):
Just like you, they have a chance to go up
to oh because Darius Garland, Evan Mobley, DeAndre Hunter all
in serious question of whether they're going to be able
to play tonight. Yeah, I have not believed in the
road teams early in these conference semi finals. I know
we've got Ryan Hollins coming up in a little bit,
(19:02):
but I did Ryan and I did a show on.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
Saturday, so you know, easy to talk about.
Speaker 8 (19:06):
Well, I mean, obviously they'll have a take on the
Rockets and Warriors is a big topic of conversation, so
sure you'll dive into that and the rest of the
series as well. Just those Game sevens are tough to win,
they really are.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
They are tough. They are tough to win. Anything else.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
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Speaker 2 (19:38):
Let's welcome in.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Ryan Holmes Tenure, NBA VET, Fox Sports Radio NBA analysts,
also the Houston Rockets game analysts on TV and let's
dial back to Game seven. Rockets come up short against
the Warriors. They did such a great job bottling up
Steph Curry for the first I don't know two thirds
of the game. If if EMA was to call you
(20:01):
in and say, hey, what would we do wrong?
Speaker 2 (20:04):
What would you say?
Speaker 5 (20:07):
And frankly, I thought our guys lost their identity. And
I think the reason I say that is we have
a group that's stiffy, that doesn't mind getting up to
the edge and not.
Speaker 9 (20:28):
Necessarily going over.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
And I do believe that Houston was the better team.
Speaker 9 (20:35):
But at the end of the day, when.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
Experience outweighs your talent, that experience one. And I think
where you kind of negate experience is with the chippy
and emotional art play. And I think our guys almost
got too locked into just saying just play basketball. And
(20:58):
that sounds crazy to say, Doug, but our guys play
their best when they're at the edge, when they're right there.
So that's all I can say. And I think our
group did a great job looking to clean things up,
but I didn't feel like it was what we were
used to sing when Houston is at their best.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Why do you think they wanted to just my best?
They didn't want to get caught up in the Draymond
Green thing and the Jimmy Butler thing, and so guys
like just.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
Well, you know, at the end of the day, when
it comes out of basketball, and let's say you you
you know, you played this match a couple of times,
and our young guys get.
Speaker 9 (21:33):
Used to the experience.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
You know, you saw flashes where it's like, Okay, this
is the better team and if you get Jalen Green
going and you're shooting well, you know, it wouldn't be
necessarily a contest. But there's that deer in the headlights
look that you probably saw three times in this series,
Game one, probably Game three, the first one on the road,
and the last one.
Speaker 9 (21:53):
You see in.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
Game seven, because those are all completely different games to
be played. So I think the mindset was from game
five and six, the experience there and then going, oh man,
this is a different animal. And the emotional side is
what Houston has been able to ride with. And a
lot of times when the games get chippy, there's an altercation,
there's a little bumping and bruising going on. The group
(22:17):
has played well, so I do understand it. Definitely with
the focus in the NBA definitely came in and played
things and called things a whole lot tighter as the
series went on.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Ryan Hollins is our guest here on the Doug Gottlieb
Show on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
It's very easy to look at the Celtic and say
they shot too many threes.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
You know, old guys just kind of yelling into the wind.
But when you have a twenty point lead, you gotta
be getting the free throw line right. You got to
wear people out. And it did feel like I thought
Dan Byer said it best, and I know you guys
were together. Did feel like they played with their food
some last night.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
Absolutely, you know when you're twenty and from seeing Boston, man,
they're so talented, But here's the reality that goes on.
Jason Tatum and Jaylen Brown. You know, when you get
in the crunch and I play with the Dirks and
the kg's and Paul Pierrice was our guy, and you
have a legit closer, you put the ball in their
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hands and they make a play. Now, Jason Brunson was electric.
I mean, he made plays. Others I don't know how
they did go and trapped him to go get the
ball out of his hands and bullets him and pick
and roll situation and just try to make somebody else
beat you at that point. But he was unbelievable. And
it's really hard to maybe say that you're gonna see
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that type of outing in the next game. And it's funny.
Everybody's going, you know, adjust, adjust, Doug. You know, obviously
you don't want to lose, not at home, but those
real adjustments don't come until later in the series. Now,
I don't think definitely we all know all is not
lost there with Boston, but I would have liked to
see Jason samu Jaalen Brown really get their group back
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in it down the stretch and and make big plays
and you got you got money guys, and you're one
of those guys.
Speaker 9 (24:08):
That's where the expectations are.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, what'd
you think about the Thunder? And I mean, again, we
can make the Nuggets, so we can make it, but
the Thunder. But the Thunder their decision to foul early
with like ten seconds ago.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
Yeah, it was intriguing. You can get Yo Kic back
in the game. I thought in the situation, Sga, instead
of taking the time out, and he's an excellent free
throw shooter, he goes and takes the dunk, and I
thought that he should have kind of like took some
time off the game. I thought that was a kind
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of really missed you and.
Speaker 9 (24:51):
Dug I think we talked about it. I'm just scared
to the death.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
Of the Nuggets as the season of just winded down,
and I thought that's the and I know James a
lot of flack right now, but I thought the winner
of that series had a real.
Speaker 9 (25:07):
Potential to come out the West.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
Because how good those two two teams were playing at
the end of the day. And what's scary is you're
seeing this kind of backs against the wall motivated mentality
over there in Denver, and you know, you know, you
get some quality minutes from Russell Russell Westbrook on everything
that they're doing, and they're believing and really galvanizing together.
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And you go on the road, man, and that's a
group that you got to be scared of.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
You know, at the end of the day, I know
how you feel about Houston and Philer are a better
team than Golden State. Well, how do you feel about
Minnesota versus Golden State?
Speaker 5 (25:49):
Like Minnesota, those states can beat up and emotionally you
can push past the game seven or one game scenario
and the unbelievable defensively, but I don't think they have
enough top to bottom. I think there's too many, uh
you know, too many holes in that roster. You know,
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they kind of they got one way guys. In Golden State,
they got guys who can score it or.
Speaker 9 (26:16):
Guys who can defend.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
They don't really have both, and Minnesota has both.
Speaker 9 (26:21):
Anthony Edwards playing just.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
About it is better off anyone, best as anyone right
now in the world. Right now, you could argue he's
a top five player with with what we've seen. But
for Golden State and I will get you got to
give Houston A lot of credit. Houston guarded Steph Curry
probably the best he's been guarded, daring near in his
career in that last series. But the amount of detail
and the tension that was put, I don't know if
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Chris fin So to have the discipline. So I do
expect Curry to score more, but top to bottom, I
don't know if they have enough.
Speaker 9 (26:52):
And keep an eye on Draymond.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
Not that I'm going to complain for him to be
kicked out or all that. Let's playoff basketball, right, We're
beyond that. But Draymond is so small art that when
the tide starts to turn, or he thinks his team
needs a little bit more, he'll make one of those
plays to kind of get his guys charged up and.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Throw throw the other team at a rythm a little bit.
Speaker 9 (27:14):
Absolutely I saw for seven games. Dude.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Absolutely, yeah, No, there there's a there's a genius to
it is. There's absolutely kind of a genius. No one
does the uh accident, the accidental on purpose better than him.
Just no, I've never seen anybody do the accident on purpose.
It's it's it's like he's Argentinian, right, Like if you're
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bleader nastal basket's like it's urgent, like.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Dud didn't mean to but you just can't the guy
right in the nuts? What are you? What are you
even talking about? Uh? Are the Cavs in trouble? I
know it's for just one game, but Garland's.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
Got yes, yes, I mean dam birthday by Rod.
Speaker 9 (27:57):
I know he's somewhere.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
I've been telling you Indiana, for real, dudes, do we
not act like they didn't play in the Eastern Conference
finals last year. I know there's injuries people can talk about. Listen, man,
they moved to basketball, they play fast, They've been war
tested last year. Rick Carlow is a top five coach
in the NBA. I played for Rick. He can draw
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the x's and o's. He can take you out of
stuff that you want to do, and if you're a
one trick pony, he'll find it out. You see that
success he had in that championship against Lebron James. He
forced Lebron to be better. And while the Calves are
so much better, I think the Calves like equip their
team to beat.
Speaker 9 (28:36):
Boston, but I don't think they saw Indiana coming, man, and.
Speaker 11 (28:39):
They are a headache and Hallaburton.
Speaker 5 (28:42):
He's one of those unique guys with Luca and Harden
and Lebron and you know, you know, hey, if you
want to throw Brunton in there, the way he's playing,
but he can control a game with his passing, he
can control a game with his scoring. Indiana is legit,
dude to you right now. I picked them before, and
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there's no surprise that they if they get past Cleveland,
it's tough because they have such an unbelievable season in Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Is Yanish a buck next year?
Speaker 9 (29:17):
It would't surprised me.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
You want to know why hears the reality? I think
this is as much of a big deal he's got
to look at as any He's so loyal, dude. And
the one trend that we've seen in the past is
that Milwaukee's not willing to cut times with him, even
if it's smart, even if it's saying, this is the
most we can get and you better get you better,
you know, get the full five draft picks, you know,
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along with it, and now we're the NBA will throw
a The NBA might be on that one if he
just goes for anything less. But Milwaukee has shown that
they're willing to do anything to make him happy, you know,
go after a star or go after a player. Hey, shoot,
you might have to sign the NASA's and I had
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a little brother overseas right now.
Speaker 9 (30:01):
But I can see.
Speaker 5 (30:02):
Milwaukee stepping up to the table and doing everything they
can to keep him happy. But ultimately, I think the
honest's heart is somewhere else. He knows he needs to go,
But I don't know if he if he's willing to
pull the trigger, don't. I don't. He would have to
prove to me and show that. I just I don't
think so. And clearly, Doug, you know at Houston has
the best they're the best fit if you're talking about
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assets to get him, But that would be a whole different,
whole different scenario going right there.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Okay, stug otlib show here on Fox Sports Radio, U
how do NBA guys view Lebron and how the thing ended?
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Right?
Speaker 9 (30:43):
Like?
Speaker 1 (30:44):
He had the weird answer when he was asked about
you know, what they need to add and he goes like, hey,
AD said something, and then he was gone. And then
they asked him about Luke. Hey, this is going to
be Lucas deal. The rest of the time, not mine, like,
how do and then you know he has the knee injury,
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so that which they announced afterwards, you wouldn't even know.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Play they kept playing anyway.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
How do NBA people as a ten year vet, you're
around those circles more than I am.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
How do they feel about them?
Speaker 5 (31:16):
Well, you know, for the current players, you kind of
know that stuff is above your pay grade, you know
what I'm saying. You know Lebron has certain privileges for
the current players. Then then what you have and the
focus and say, hey, let me do what I need
to do. While you're around them, there you get a
lot of the parts. It's full, there's nothing like being
in LA, but it comes at a big cost.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
You.
Speaker 5 (31:37):
Now, for the former players, we go, come on Lebron, like,
you don't need to sell it. We know you, We
know you were aware of the ad trade and you
know obviously open arms you know, took Luca in at
the end of the day and when it kind of backfired,
you know, you didn't have a center on the floor
and you're going, dang, we don't have a center. The
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deal with Mark Williams didn't work out, so you know
you probably didn't see that coming. And I think me personally,
I think it was unnecessary for him to say. I
think right now, for Lebron, this's is more. We got
respect for his legacy, everything he's done, and there's no
question there. But you did raise an eyebrow for the
former players who saw that. But for the current guys,
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you know, you know what's him for Himmate for you, you
know you don't get away with those things or not
previous to those to those conversations ran.
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Speaker 1 (33:28):
That was on the Altitude Radio Network. What a comeback,
What a win. Some interesting happened yesterday, I think Dan
it happened during the show when Justin Tucker was released.
Speaker 8 (33:43):
No, it happened right when the show ended, five o'clock
Eastern time. Yeah, news came down.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Yeah, weird. Obviously.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Usually if it's if you're gonna release somebody five o'clock Eastern,
you want to do it. You want to do it
on a news drop Friday, like a what is it?
What is it called news dump Friday?
Speaker 9 (34:05):
Right?
Speaker 2 (34:06):
A news dump Friday is usually on a holiday weekend.
You do it.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
It's an old political tactic, right where you make an
announcement at after four o'clock. So anybody whose print journalism
has already you know, submitted all their stuff. Everybody's gone
and by the time Tuesday comes around, people are back
at work. The story has been buried five times over.
It's essentially what they did, only it was it was
on a Monday. Here's the post from Eric DaCosta, who's
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the executive vice president general manager. Sometimes football decisions are
incredibly difficult, and this one this is one of those instances.
Considering our current roster, we've made the tough decision to
release Justin Tucker. Justin created many significant and unforgive favable
moments in Raven's history. He's reliable. His reliability, focus, drive,
resilience and extraordinary talent made him one of the league's
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best kickers for over a decade. We are grateful of
Justin's many contributions while playing for the Ravens. We sincerely
wish him and his family the very best in the
next chapter of their lives. I've been told that's tone deaf.
If that's tone deaf, I don't know what tone you're
looking for. Right There is nothing about uh, there's nothing
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in there. But he's an amazing human being, an amazing husband.
They didn't go like over the top of it. They
just kept it in football. Hey man, the hell of
a player. He made great football plays. We're choosing to
make this because of football. That's, by the way, how
you're supposed to do it. Don't make it about anything.
It's just make it about football. And he had a
rough year considering he's one of the all time great kickers.
(35:44):
And now we're gonna move on. Done, we wash our
hands of it. I guess my question and I'll tell
you what I think the answer is, and then you
guys tell me if you agree or disagree.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
That fair, Dan.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
I think that that's fair for you. Here's what I think.
I don't think there's more coming out. Might might there
be another massage therapist. Maybe I don't think that does
additional damage, And I reserve the right to be wrong.
I just think this was the smartest, easiest way to
do it, in a non confrontational way, because they couldn't
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have on the football team anymore. Because I know there's
some speculation, Well, they wouldn't do this unless there was
more coming out? Does there have to be, Like, I
think we've had enough. Clearly it was his thing, Whether
the women were coerced to doing it, whether it was
a normal thing and they knew, I don't know, and
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I don't know if every one of them is telling
the exact truth, then I don't actually care. Sixteen Women
feels like a lot. It's you got Tony buzzbeat again,
where he finds somebody and then he finds somebody. He
there's a pattern for I'm gonna find that pattern and
I'm gonna make whoever this guy is suffer. That's what
happened with Deshaun Watson. That's what's happening here. But I'm
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of the opinion that this is just like, hey, look,
your production has to be better than your problems, and
these are big problems, and your production wasn't great, and
so we're gonna move on.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
You buy that, buyer. Do you think there's more coming out?
Speaker 8 (37:29):
No, I don't think that there's more coming out. In
a way, I think that the Ravens were a little
damned if you do, damned if you don't. If he
just writes we're releasing justin Tucker, I think speculation then
maybe goes that way that they think more is coming out.
Maybe there's I just don't know which right way to
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put it. I would say it did feel like they
were leaning towards making Tucker feel better instead of maybe
towing the center line of it. That I think is
what people expected unless other people expecting them to go
completely other way. But Tucker has denied all of these allegations,
and so I yeah, I think that they that he
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was in a tough spot. I do think that they
they with the sometimes football decisions are incredibly difficult. I
think that is leaning towards Tucker a little bit. But
I think he would have been criticized no matter what
statement they would have released.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
I mean, it was they made it into a football decision.
And oh yeah, by the way, these are all allegations. Now, Okay,
it doesn't look good. I mean, none of us are
saying it looks. It looks good. But until there's there
has been no civil trial, there's been no settlements, there's
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no criminal trial even on the docket. So these are
merely allegations.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
Right correct.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Okay, we can all have our opinion on if it
happened or didn't happen or whatever, but they are at
this point allegations. And so if you're being critical of
the uh of the Baltimore Ravens, remember, like I understand
it was, who is the kicker in Buffalo? Let's bring
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in John Middcoff, joh Middlecoff Joints just three nots the podcast,
of course, in the Volume podcast network. Middle Coff, what
are your thoughts on Justin Tucker getting released yesterday?
Speaker 11 (39:32):
Yeah, I mean I think there are a couple of teams,
or I mean, excuse me, a couple of positions where
when you just.
Speaker 13 (39:37):
Become a story, your margin.
Speaker 14 (39:40):
Peer and your leashes zero.
Speaker 11 (39:41):
You know, teams will deal obviously with quarterbacks and path
rushers and wide receivers, but the special teams unit, whether
you're one of the greatest kickers of all time, like
Justin Tucker, or whether you're just.
Speaker 14 (39:53):
Some random guy you just listen.
Speaker 11 (39:57):
No one has any clue whether this happened or not,
beside the people that you know Tucker and people accusing him.
Speaker 9 (40:04):
But this is not The.
Speaker 14 (40:05):
Ravens don't care.
Speaker 11 (40:05):
I mean, they just drafted in the second round a
guy who was accused in high school and in college
of sexual assault. This is simply he's not any good anymore.
And he had his lowest percentage that you know, it
was hovering just barely over seventy percent, when this guy
could eighty five percent in his sleep in some years
as well over ninety and obviously his leg he could
kick game.
Speaker 13 (40:26):
Winners from sixty plus.
Speaker 11 (40:27):
But last year you just be watching the Ravens and
it kind of became like that venitary thing at the end.
I mean different Vanitari didn't quite as a.
Speaker 13 (40:35):
Leg of Justin Tucker. But he's just the guy was shot.
Speaker 11 (40:37):
And I don't know if this guy is shot, but
he's not as dominant he once was. And this is like, yeah,
we're not dealing with this.
Speaker 14 (40:43):
So I think it's really just that simple.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
John Minakoff joins the share in the Doug Gottlieb show
any idea what Cleveland's doing at quarterback?
Speaker 11 (40:53):
Yeah, I mean I think the owner got involved because
you know, I think when you're drafting any position, you
can draft multiple d tackles, you can draft multiple wide receivers,
you can draft multiple guards.
Speaker 13 (41:06):
It doesn't matter.
Speaker 14 (41:07):
You can just rotate them in. That's not the way
quarterbacks work.
Speaker 11 (41:10):
And I know these guys are antically analytically driven, but
they My theory was pretty simple that they drafted. They
cut quote unquote overdrafted Dylan Gabriel because Chador was falling
and the owner's hovering behind him in the draft room
hopefully just shut him up.
Speaker 13 (41:26):
And then he just kept falling.
Speaker 11 (41:28):
And then the owner forced it because it makes no
football sense.
Speaker 5 (41:32):
To do this.
Speaker 14 (41:33):
And I think it's pretty clear.
Speaker 13 (41:36):
You know, this is an owner and.
Speaker 11 (41:38):
An executive team slash coach, two separate players. We thought
this a long time ago. It's been well reported. The
Shanahan family.
Speaker 14 (41:46):
Did not want RG three.
Speaker 13 (41:47):
He wasn't their type.
Speaker 11 (41:48):
Quarterback that they Now you could argue they were a
little wrong because probably still he got injured. He was
pretty dynamics, but they wanted more of their type guy,
and why they took Cousins, and they were the owner
for them take RG three.
Speaker 13 (42:01):
They took Cousins.
Speaker 11 (42:02):
And I think this is different because on the game
or one of these guys close to RG three, But
I think it's somewhat similar. You have two different fractions,
and let's face and the owner gets what.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
He wants right down, He gets what he wants. Does
that mean Dylan Gabriel has no shot?
Speaker 13 (42:18):
Well, that's the thing.
Speaker 11 (42:18):
I mean, unless Jimmy Haslam, I'm going to ask for
the practice plan every day during training camp because this
is you know, it happen between coaches and gms a lot.
Like you know, in your program, you're the GM and
the coach, so you get you kind of as most
coaches are, right, but in the pros, you know, sometimes
gms have a little more jew so they can pick
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players and maybe the coach doesn't want but then practice starts.
It's not like the coach or the gms are setting
the practice schedule.
Speaker 13 (42:45):
It's the same thing here.
Speaker 11 (42:46):
So you know, listen, they can manipulate it any way
they want, especially in preseason games. So it's going to
be a weird spot for Dylan Gabriel, But I would
imagine he's going to get more reps early on because
he was a higher pick.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
One. One would think it.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
Okay, you get drafted, your thought of as the best
you know, outside linebacker in the draft, and you ask
for Lawrence Taylor's number.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
What was your reaction?
Speaker 11 (43:21):
I you know, in a weird way. I understand if
you're of a certain age you see this it is insanity.
But it'd be allots to say the same thing, like
I get drafted by the Bulls, I want Michael Jordan's number,
which seems crazy. But a kid drafted, you know, in
a couple of months in the NBA was born.
Speaker 14 (43:39):
Well after Michael Jordan.
Speaker 11 (43:40):
Played his last NBA game, and for Lawrence Taylor. I
mean when was his last NFL game? Ninety three, ninety four.
I'm pretty sure a duel Carter was drafted.
Speaker 14 (43:49):
In the two thousands.
Speaker 11 (43:50):
So if you had watched this guy play, like, would
he have done this if it was the equivalent of
you know some you know, Aaron Donald on the Red
know a player like that you had clearly watched. Maybe not,
but I give a little more leeway. I think sometimes
we forget the age gap. I mean with Lawrence Taylor
early sixties, I mean, this gets twenty, so I he
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has no clue. Now he's gonna I'm sure Brian Dabole
and those guys are going.
Speaker 13 (44:17):
To show him.
Speaker 11 (44:18):
But I don't think he quite understands, you know, what
he asked for, which I kind of understand given his age.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
Okay, you've we've had a couple weeks of process. Now
now that you have what do you really like?
Speaker 9 (44:34):
Who?
Speaker 1 (44:35):
What do you really like in terms of what somebody's
doing in building with the draft and with free agency?
Speaker 11 (44:40):
Actually, yeah, I was at I was at a party
last night and I was talking to a big Titans
fan and I said, you know, of all the teams
that had different needs and obviously most teams do. It's
hard to fathom how poor and bad the quarterback play
was in Tennessee. I mean, it couldn't have been much.
Speaker 5 (44:58):
Worse, especially early in the Seas season.
Speaker 11 (45:00):
Their defense was good, but you get to a point
when your offense suck in football where the defense just
eventually tires out, kind of taps out. So the second
half of the season, like, I give him a little
bit of a break if cam Ward is just a
functional player, let alone, like, you know, a talented young
We've seen some of these guys recently in the draft
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of like they can make a big difference. All of
a sudden, Tennessee could be like competitive. Now I'm not
saying like win the division or a playoff team, but
all of a sudden, you look like could they hover
around five hundred? So I think that individual has the
chance to make the biggest impact. Given the guy he's replaced.
It who I just couldn't have been much worse.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
In twenty twenty four, Does Aaron Rodgers play for the Steelers?
Speaker 14 (45:48):
Yeah, I mean I creels kind of inevitable at this point.
Speaker 13 (45:50):
I mean, they didn't take quarterback.
Speaker 14 (45:53):
High that they would use.
Speaker 11 (45:55):
I think, I guess because will Howard Lake, but I
think the owner raps she It said on television that
he has said on local radio that all signs point.
I don't quite know what the hold up is. I
mean at this point in time. He said personal reasons
a month ago. But they's at the Kentucky Derby. I mean,
if I'm the Steelers, like we'd kind of like you
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at OTAs just just a couple of days a week
that's runs the practices. I don't know, get to know
your teammates. I mean, if we're gonna dance, let's dance.
So my guess is I would imagine the Steelers have
practiced next week. Maybe maybe we get some clarity on
this over the next I don't know, six seven days.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
That seems like that seems like a pretty decent timeline,
pretty pretty decent timeline. Jim Harbaugh said he woke up
and and realized he had to get Justin Herbert into
the Hall of Fame. I just woke up. I mean
I stuck. Some of it's performative, some of it is
that's who Harbaugh is. How that land on you when
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you heard him say that?
Speaker 13 (47:00):
Yeah, I mean you and me.
Speaker 11 (47:02):
We followed Jeff's career for a long time. I mean,
he makes statements wherever he goes that are I don't
even want to say outlandish, because I do think Justin
Herbert can be a Hall of Famer, but just a
little hyperbolics at the moment he says him, I was
thinking after he said it, like, let's say they just
drafted Hall of famer in all last year. They already
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have a guy at left tackle who's damn good, so
they got two sweet tackles. I think Harbaugh is a
pretty good resume of understanding who's good and who's not
at running back, and so with Ortiz in Baltimore, who's
now his GM, and with Chargers, if those two guys
are cornerstone players with their star quarterback, and we know
Harbaugh's defenses because of the offense he runs, are just
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always going to be good. I mean, it's just the
way they are physical team. That's how you who you
practice against. Your defense to me, gets better when you
practice against that old school offense.
Speaker 14 (47:56):
Like I think they could be a massive problem in
the next couple of years.
Speaker 11 (47:59):
And if they hit on Hampton, he is in a
couple of years one of the better running backs in
the NFL because we know they're gonna have a good
offensive line. They signed Becton, who might have just resurrected
his career at guard. So you're you're gonna have some
ability to road grade. And this kid, I mean, he's
a feast.
Speaker 9 (48:15):
I know that.
Speaker 11 (48:15):
I'm sure he saw that picture. Now, granted the picture
was a little manipulated our balls a pretty big guy,
but Hampton. People in the NFL love this guy. I
know Jens, he got all the hype, but this guy,
you know, he's five eleven, he runs like a four
to four.
Speaker 14 (48:31):
He carried a team that was terrible, So I'm pretty
bull I love that pick, especially the fit.
Speaker 11 (48:36):
So I I don't know, man, I think they got
a chance this this upcoming year to really really challenge
the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (48:46):
Buyer's a little upset. I played Aaron Hills today and
he said, because of our friendship and because he's more
of the golf guy obviously than I have, I should
have given him the heads up, not come on to
the show and said, hey, by the way I played.
Speaker 8 (49:01):
That's not that Even shows are disconnect even more like
I go to Aaron Hills, I know people at Aaron
Hills That's where the problem is.
Speaker 4 (49:10):
It's not that you know, it's not that you got
to go today. It's just there's there's there's not like
a heads up. That's that's the problem.
Speaker 9 (49:19):
John.
Speaker 2 (49:19):
It's nothing that I've given him a heads up.
Speaker 13 (49:23):
Well, first, wou'd you shoot?
Speaker 2 (49:26):
Honestly I didn't. It was bad, I was.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
I mean, I haven't played I literally hadn't played golf
since basketball season started.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
I was awful.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
I had a I did have a birdie on the
hardest hole in the course by the way, just by
the way.
Speaker 14 (49:38):
But you are.
Speaker 11 (49:40):
Yeah, I mean I think sometimes you get it, you know.
I don't know. Was this a long plan thing or
is this a late call?
Speaker 1 (49:47):
It was it was I have a dear friend, Rolly Lahey,
who runs the corporate side for the U.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
S g A.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
And she had me down here last time, and they
had some of the media out here before and and
so she had said, hey, you can you can do
your show. You could have it a foursome, And honestly
I had forgotten. I had I had the dates lined
up right before the open and she texted me, I
(50:15):
don't know, it's Thursday or Friday, like, hey, are you
guys still good for eight am on Tuesday, I'm like, oh,
so I got a couple buddies and we came down here.
Speaker 2 (50:23):
We played. It was great, but I didn't give Dan
a heads up, and he's not very happy with me.
Speaker 8 (50:29):
You know what.
Speaker 11 (50:30):
You know what I was thinking last night, and you're
a good guy. Asked us watch the Oki sh just
I mean, I don't know. It's like one of the
greatest athletes I've ever watched in my entire life for
any sport. What he would have looked like in like
the heyday, like when I was a kid and you
were younger, in the nineties with all those good centers
and so many of them are good places, what would
his numbers have been in like the peak of you know,
(50:52):
the Kem bay Alonzo patches, viewing Shack, all those type bods,
David Robinson.
Speaker 13 (50:58):
I mean, the league is so small.
Speaker 2 (51:00):
Now, I don't think.
Speaker 1 (51:02):
Yeah, yeah, I actually think in many ways he might
have been as a more effective He's he's a bonus.
He's like Sabonis without the without the Achilles injuries. You know,
he's just so clever as the passer. Yeah, I think
I remember.
Speaker 11 (51:17):
Now I'm the guy I probably once had already been injured,
couldn't really move.
Speaker 1 (51:21):
That well, right because he had Sabonis before he tore
his achilles ten and was supposed to be incredible.
Speaker 2 (51:27):
Uh, Johnny, we got to go.
Speaker 1 (51:28):
You're the best three ounce of podcast you got on
the On the Volume podcast network.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
Thanks so much for joining us.
Speaker 9 (51:33):
By bye,
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