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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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(00:28):
sunny Green Bay, Wisconsin, Sonny, breezy, wonderful, Hey, welcome in, Welcome,
welcome in. Good day to you Dan, and to Jay
stew and to Iowa Sam. I'm generally a guy who
(00:48):
doesn't require a ton of sleep right now, I say that,
but people are like, wait, I thought you said you
can fall asleep at a drop of a hat. True,
I could you know? I can. I can catch a
little ten minutes siesta and recharge, just like kind of
your dreams of an electric car. Right ten minutes, plug
in and your back fully charged, ready to go. So
(01:09):
I can nap. I can sleep short periods of time
and feel fully rested. But there are times where you
know you just like man, it all kind of wears
on you, and then you're like, you have to know
yourself and go to sleep when you're tired. So last night,
(01:31):
last night, I was watching the first half at a
place called the Black Sheep, which is, I don't know,
four minutes from my house, a little restaurant whatever, and
watch the first half. Came back in the second half
to my house and the sun is setting. It's a
beautiful day. Dan can speak to it. Right when you're
(01:53):
in northeast Wisconsin this time of year, when you're on
the good side of spring, everything's in bloom. It's a
little bit warmer, it's like seventy five degrees. It's pretty outstanding.
And so I'm watching the game and I start dozing off,
start dozing off. It's a thirteen point game or twelve
point game, headed in the fourth quarter, and I wake
(02:16):
up and the thunder are up like forty and I
was like, wait, what all happened? So I rewind and
I watch it, and what I saw was incredible. I
think again, my dad was a New Yorker. I'm not
I do think that some of the ways in which
I speak and carry myself. And you know, look, I
lived in Connecticut for twelve years. There will always be
(02:38):
people that think I'm from New York. I'm not from
southern California. But the point is that I don't have
a dog in the fight. When I was a kid
growing up in southern California, Jace du Can attest to this, everybody,
everybody was a Laker fan. So I like the Celtics, right,
I just did. It was the start of a great
(02:59):
contrarian lifestyle. But I'm not like some hardcore Celtics fan now.
But the Knicks being good is great for the NBA
because their fans care. They they probably care too much,
but they care. And what we've seen in two consecutive
(03:22):
games is nothing short of remarkable. Look, I know NBA
leads can evaporate pretty quickly, right, We've seen that in
the regular season, But there's a stat out there where
it's like ninety four percent of the time when you're
up twenty at any point time in the game, you're
gonna win. And if you're up twenty in the second half,
that creeps to like ninety five ninety six percent of
(03:43):
the time. So to two consecutive times overcome that sort
of odds is remarkable. And then the Celtics to not
even get a shot up down one at the end
of a game at home when you're the defending NBA champs,
is I feels like it's unheard of. So I don't
(04:06):
know for watching history or for watching something that's just
two games of flash in the pan. The Celtics love
them out. I don't know if the Celtics have gone
from as Dan Byer told us yesterday, playing with their
food to now their food is you know, now they
now they've woken up, and now maybe they you know,
they win the next four and they're like, hey, they
really are a dominant team. But you know, it doesn't
(04:27):
look like they're fully healthy at center. Uh with prezingis uh,
it does look like Al Horford maybe maybe too old
for for for this year in the playoffs, for for
deep minutes deep in the playoffs. And you have, frankly,
those Villanova guys who just know how to win, right,
just know how to win. And for two consecutive games,
(04:52):
the Boston Celtics have come from behind two uh to
take the take a two games to none lead see
the New York Knicks. Two consecutive games have come from
twenty behind to take down the Boston Celtics. Here's Joe Missoula,
head coach of the Celtics, being down to OH heading
back to New York.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
I mean, you're down to oh heading on the road,
so you know, you have an understanding of your environment.
What you're up against is also obviously a lot of
things that we're doing well, but then those things that
we need to be extremely better at in those situations.
So you know, obviously you have an understanding the environment.
You don't know too, So you know, we gotta get
on the road and we got to find a way
to win.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Here's steal And Brown of the Boston Celtics on the
bad stretches in the fourth quarter of the past two games.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
I hate to say, but like this is you guys
are supposed to find ways to score. These are the
moments that they're the ones that look like they're playing
with the poise, and you guys aren't. Can you explain
why that's happened now? Two games in a row at.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Home, I'm not sure we've done. We've gotten some great starts,
we guard it, we play physical energy today to start
the fourth quarter. I thought we got like four or
five great looks in a row, and that didn't go
in and maybe that affected us, but uh, you know
it was done is done. Now we got an opportunity
(06:10):
to see what we made of and uh, you know,
come out and try to make something happen. Game three.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Here's the Tips and and Dan. Maybe you can, I'll
bet you remember it. I don't remember the day of
the year. Tips was coach of the Bulls. They had
Derek Rose. Weren't they up two games? No somebody and collapsed.
I don't remember if it was injury to Rows that happened.
I mean, that just sounds like every year with the
Boss and Celtics. But as as much as we're sitting
(06:38):
here and we're gonna praise TIBs rightfully so they there
have been times which his teams have collapsed with early
leads and series.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
I don't remember offhand, didn't they They didn't they lose
like a series to the Sixers when they were a
one seed at one point. I don't know if that
was it. I know they made it to an Eastern
Conference finals I think once, but I don't remember offhand
of them going up to h and then blowing the series.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Yeah, I look a couple of years ago when Brunson
signed with the Knicks. At the time, there were a
lot of people that said too much money, and you know,
they they did everything to get him, right. Their president
is his former agent, his dad is his assistant coach. Right,
and now they've surrounded him with many former teammates. And
(07:28):
one of the expressions that we use, winners win. They
just find a way. And you know, Josh Hart's not
he's not a great NBA player, but dude finds a
way to make shots and make plays at the right
moment in time. And obviously his two former Villanova teammates,
I mean, those guys just make plays. I mean even
(07:49):
the last play of the game where you know they're
going one on one and you know they double the ball.
You know, Jason Tatum leaves his feet and then he
tries to make a pass and it gets deflected, it
gets intercepted. Like those Nova guys just there's a reason
they won in college. They just know how to win.
(08:10):
It's the hardest thing to teach. Sometimes you just got
to recruit it or sign it. But those guys know
how to win. And it's not really a knock on
the Celtics because obviously Celtics won NBA Championship last year.
You know, they've they've been through Eastern Conference Finals before.
This is a well despite the fact that Brown and
Tatum are relatively young in comparison to Staff and Lebron
(08:33):
and some of the older players in the NBA, some
of the older stars in the NBA, like they've they've
been through some battles. But man, the Knicks, it's like
they just they're never really uncomfortable, even when they should
be down twenty Dan and I think there's there's a
there's something about this group. And I I g I
(08:53):
guess here's a question to you. Do you think the
comebacks are more about the Celtics or the Knicks.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
I think they're about the Celtics for some reason, not
being able to just finish a team off, put their
foot on their neck, put them on their throat, and
just finish the game. As they said Game one, I
felt the same way, and in Game two last night,
I'm just you're saying, Okay, this isn't gonna happen again. Yeah,
(09:20):
and then it just is. It feels like it's a
carbon copy of it happening again. The Knicks are just
more aggressive, just seems like such an easy word to say.
Physical is a certain way. Yeah, I mean, but they're
just today, Yeah, I mean they want to go to
(09:41):
the basket. They don't mind. Yeah, it was. They don't
mind getting a four footer as opposed to the twenty
four footer.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
I'm going to tell you one little, one little thing
that people have made fun of today and you have
that's a guy who's airballed a free throw before you
can make fun of Mitchell Robinson shot an air ball
and it was it was an airball, right Like there's
some that that you know it comes up just short
maybe and you're like, okay, no, Like that one was.
It's thirteen six to make a free throw, right most
(10:12):
people think it's fifteen feet. It's not fifteen feet. Is
if you want to hit the backboard with your shot,
that that's a fifteen foot shot. It's thirteen six hit
the center of the to go in the center of
the of the rim. So that was probably eleven six,
right Like it.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
Was, yeah, that and I don't know if it got
to ten feet of elevation.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
That one had no chance at all. Okay, but most
guys they like hang their head and for Mitchell Robinson,
it was like he was back, he's playing defense. It's fine,
and they're comfortable being uncomfortable. And yeah, the physicality Jalen
Brunson driving and creating the contact to create separation. It
(10:50):
just sets the tone for your whole team. And I
just I love it. I think it's so good for
the NBA. The kind of passive news, almost arrogant confidence
from the Celtics has just been knocked down by the
next two consecutive games. And look, Knicks fans are obnoxious, obnoxious,
(11:11):
but you need some of that in the sport, right,
We need life in this sport, and it's been lifeless
at times, just like the same guys Staph and Lebron,
and it's like it is, there's a there's a life
to it. Here's Jalen Brunson, star point guard for the
celt for the for the next talking about being up
two games to none.
Speaker 5 (11:32):
How big is for you guys to go back home later?
Speaker 2 (11:36):
And what are you talking about Cold Town's performance?
Speaker 6 (11:40):
I mean it's very important going home. I realized an
opportunity that we have and now we just got to
make sure we're still locked in, no real close to
being done. Let's keep making sure, our mindset is the same.
And I mean, Kat, just the way you started the
game and now it was great for us, and just
(12:03):
the way he's been not throughout the entire season and
he's been one of the best teammates that we have,
and the way he gives us energy and the way
he goes and gets rebounds and what he does that's
doesn't go out noticed and he just this is the
way he's been.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
You know, it's interesting that they've been able. And again,
I don't know if they complete this task. I don't
know how far they can go whatever. But Carl Anthony
Towns has a reputation of being soft, right, of being
a guy who's soft, gets pushed around, doesn't doesn't rebound,
like to shoot threes in the playoffs, and you know,
obviously at times he's been carried by other guys and
they replace him with with Mitchell Robinson who does all
(12:38):
the things he doesn't do block shots, rebounds, covers a
lot of space. But it would be amazing on how
the kind of guilt by Osmosis right like, he would
kind of blend into those guys and they've helped it.
They'll help him change the narrative of his career. U
this this series, it just fascinates me because for thirty
(13:00):
six minutes of the forty eight minutes of each game,
you're like, the Celtics are way better than the Knicks,
way better. And then it gets tight, and then it's
like it's like the Celtics are the thunder from last year.
That's Dan what it reminds me of. It looks like
the celt like, what are they doing? What are they doing?
(13:25):
And yet they've they've they've played at the very highest
level of the NBA and succeeded, and yet it's you.
The Knicks come from twenty down both games and they
don't completely class but it's just like there doesn't seem
to be a plan there, and it's stunning to watch.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
They almost seem uncomfortable of being that team. Yeah and
that and that they're they're they're better suited in in
a way of having a chip on their shoulder, But
when you're expected you're being that team, for some reason,
it just doesn't It just doesn't work.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
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(00:28):
sunny Green Bay, Wisconsin, Sonny, breezy, wonderful, Hey, welcome in, Welcome,
welcome in. Good day to you Dan, and to Jay
stew and to Iowa Sam. I'm generally a guy who
(00:48):
doesn't require a ton of sleep right now, I say that,
but people are like, wait, I thought you said you
can fall asleep at a drop of a hat. True,
I could you know? I can. I can catch a
little ten minutes siesta and recharge, just like kind of
your dreams of an electric car. Right ten minutes, plug
in and your back fully charged, ready to go. So
(01:09):
I can nap. I can sleep short periods of time
and feel fully rested. But there are times where you
know you just like man, it all kind of wears
on you, and then you're like, you have to know
yourself and go to sleep when you're tired. So last night,
(01:31):
last night, I was watching the first half at a
place called the Black Sheep, which is, I don't know,
four minutes from my house, a little restaurant whatever, and
watch the first half. Came back in the second half
to my house and the sun is setting. It's a
beautiful day. Dan can speak to it. Right when you're
(01:53):
in northeast Wisconsin this time of year, when you're on
the good side of spring, everything's in bloom. It's a
little bit warmer, it's like seventy five degrees. It's pretty outstanding.
And so I'm watching the game and I start dozing off,
start dozing off. It's a thirteen point game or twelve
point game, headed in the fourth quarter, and I wake
(02:16):
up and the thunder are up like forty and I
was like, wait, what all happened? So I rewind and
I watch it, and what I saw was incredible. I
think again, my dad was a New Yorker. I'm not
I do think that some of the ways in which
I speak and carry myself. And you know, look, I
lived in Connecticut for twelve years. There will always be
(02:38):
people that think I'm from New York. I'm not from
southern California. But the point is that I don't have
a dog in the fight. When I was a kid
growing up in southern California, Jace du Can attest to this, everybody,
everybody was a Laker fan. So I like the Celtics, right,
I just did. It was the start of a great
(02:59):
contrarian lifestyle. But I'm not like some hardcore Celtics fan now.
But the Knicks being good is great for the NBA
because their fans care. They they probably care too much,
but they care. And what we've seen in two consecutive
(03:22):
games is nothing short of remarkable. Look, I know NBA
leads can evaporate pretty quickly, right, We've seen that in
the regular season, But there's a stat out there where
it's like ninety four percent of the time when you're
up twenty at any point time in the game, you're
gonna win. And if you're up twenty in the second half,
that creeps to like ninety five ninety six percent of
(03:43):
the time. So to two consecutive times overcome that sort
of odds is remarkable. And then the Celtics to not
even get a shot up down one at the end
of a game at home when you're the defending NBA champs,
is I feels like it's unheard of. So I don't
(04:06):
know for watching history or for watching something that's just
two games of flash in the pan. The Celtics love
them out. I don't know if the Celtics have gone
from as Dan Byer told us yesterday, playing with their
food to now their food is you know, now they
now they've woken up, and now maybe they you know,
they win the next four and they're like, hey, they
really are a dominant team. But you know, it doesn't
(04:27):
look like they're fully healthy at center. Uh with prezingis uh,
it does look like Al Horford maybe maybe too old
for for for this year in the playoffs, for for
deep minutes deep in the playoffs. And you have, frankly,
those Villanova guys who just know how to win, right,
just know how to win. And for two consecutive games,
(04:52):
the Boston Celtics have come from behind two uh to
take the take a two games to none lead see
the New York Knicks. Two consecutive games have come from
twenty behind to take down the Boston Celtics. Here's Joe Missoula,
head coach of the Celtics, being down to OH heading
back to New York.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
I mean, you're down to oh heading on the road,
so you know, you have an understanding of your environment.
What you're up against is also obviously a lot of
things that we're doing well, but then those things that
we need to be extremely better at in those situations.
So you know, obviously you have an understanding the environment.
You don't know too, So you know, we gotta get
on the road and we got to find a way
to win.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Here's steal And Brown of the Boston Celtics on the
bad stretches in the fourth quarter of the past two games.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
I hate to say, but like this is you guys
are supposed to find ways to score. These are the
moments that they're the ones that look like they're playing
with the poise, and you guys aren't. Can you explain
why that's happened now? Two games in a row at.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Home, I'm not sure we've done. We've gotten some great starts,
we guard it, we play physical energy today to start
the fourth quarter. I thought we got like four or
five great looks in a row, and that didn't go
in and maybe that affected us, but uh, you know
it was done is done. Now we got an opportunity
(06:10):
to see what we made of and uh, you know,
come out and try to make something happen. Game three.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Here's the Tips and and Dan. Maybe you can, I'll
bet you remember it. I don't remember the day of
the year. Tips was coach of the Bulls. They had
Derek Rose. Weren't they up two games? No somebody and collapsed.
I don't remember if it was injury to Rows that happened.
I mean, that just sounds like every year with the
Boss and Celtics. But as as much as we're sitting
(06:38):
here and we're gonna praise TIBs rightfully so they there
have been times which his teams have collapsed with early
leads and series.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
I don't remember offhand, didn't they They didn't they lose
like a series to the Sixers when they were a
one seed at one point. I don't know if that
was it. I know they made it to an Eastern
Conference finals I think once, but I don't remember offhand
of them going up to h and then blowing the series.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Yeah, I look a couple of years ago when Brunson
signed with the Knicks. At the time, there were a
lot of people that said too much money, and you know,
they they did everything to get him, right. Their president
is his former agent, his dad is his assistant coach. Right,
and now they've surrounded him with many former teammates. And
(07:28):
one of the expressions that we use, winners win. They
just find a way. And you know, Josh Hart's not
he's not a great NBA player, but dude finds a
way to make shots and make plays at the right
moment in time. And obviously his two former Villanova teammates,
I mean, those guys just make plays. I mean even
(07:49):
the last play of the game where you know they're
going one on one and you know they double the ball.
You know, Jason Tatum leaves his feet and then he
tries to make a pass and it gets deflected, it
gets intercepted. Like those Nova guys just there's a reason
they won in college. They just know how to win.
(08:10):
It's the hardest thing to teach. Sometimes you just got
to recruit it or sign it. But those guys know
how to win. And it's not really a knock on
the Celtics because obviously Celtics won NBA Championship last year.
You know, they've they've been through Eastern Conference Finals before.
This is a well despite the fact that Brown and
Tatum are relatively young in comparison to Staff and Lebron
(08:33):
and some of the older players in the NBA, some
of the older stars in the NBA, like they've they've
been through some battles. But man, the Knicks, it's like
they just they're never really uncomfortable, even when they should
be down twenty Dan and I think there's there's a
there's something about this group. And I I g I
(08:53):
guess here's a question to you. Do you think the
comebacks are more about the Celtics or the Knicks.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
I think they're about the Celtics for some reason, not
being able to just finish a team off, put their
foot on their neck, put them on their throat, and
just finish the game. As they said Game one, I
felt the same way, and in Game two last night,
I'm just you're saying, Okay, this isn't gonna happen again. Yeah,
(09:20):
and then it just is. It feels like it's a
carbon copy of it happening again. The Knicks are just
more aggressive, just seems like such an easy word to say.
Physical is a certain way. Yeah, I mean, but they're
just today, Yeah, I mean they want to go to
(09:41):
the basket. They don't mind. Yeah, it was. They don't
mind getting a four footer as opposed to the twenty
four footer.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
I'm going to tell you one little, one little thing
that people have made fun of today and you have
that's a guy who's airballed a free throw before you
can make fun of Mitchell Robinson shot an air ball
and it was it was an airball, right Like there's
some that that you know it comes up just short
maybe and you're like, okay, no, Like that one was.
It's thirteen six to make a free throw, right most
(10:12):
people think it's fifteen feet. It's not fifteen feet. Is
if you want to hit the backboard with your shot,
that that's a fifteen foot shot. It's thirteen six hit
the center of the to go in the center of
the of the rim. So that was probably eleven six,
right Like it.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
Was, yeah, that and I don't know if it got
to ten feet of elevation.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
That one had no chance at all. Okay, but most
guys they like hang their head and for Mitchell Robinson,
it was like he was back, he's playing defense. It's fine,
and they're comfortable being uncomfortable. And yeah, the physicality Jalen
Brunson driving and creating the contact to create separation. It
(10:50):
just sets the tone for your whole team. And I
just I love it. I think it's so good for
the NBA. The kind of passive news, almost arrogant confidence
from the Celtics has just been knocked down by the
next two consecutive games. And look, Knicks fans are obnoxious, obnoxious,
(11:11):
but you need some of that in the sport, right,
We need life in this sport, and it's been lifeless
at times, just like the same guys Staph and Lebron,
and it's like it is, there's a there's a life
to it. Here's Jalen Brunson, star point guard for the
celt for the for the next talking about being up
two games to none.
Speaker 5 (11:32):
How big is for you guys to go back home later?
Speaker 2 (11:36):
And what are you talking about Cold Town's performance?
Speaker 6 (11:40):
I mean it's very important going home. I realized an
opportunity that we have and now we just got to
make sure we're still locked in, no real close to
being done. Let's keep making sure, our mindset is the same.
And I mean, Kat, just the way you started the
game and now it was great for us, and just
(12:03):
the way he's been not throughout the entire season and
he's been one of the best teammates that we have,
and the way he gives us energy and the way
he goes and gets rebounds and what he does that's
doesn't go out noticed and he just this is the
way he's been.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
You know, it's interesting that they've been able. And again,
I don't know if they complete this task. I don't
know how far they can go whatever. But Carl Anthony
Towns has a reputation of being soft, right, of being
a guy who's soft, gets pushed around, doesn't doesn't rebound,
like to shoot threes in the playoffs, and you know,
obviously at times he's been carried by other guys and
they replace him with with Mitchell Robinson who does all
(12:38):
the things he doesn't do block shots, rebounds, covers a
lot of space. But it would be amazing on how
the kind of guilt by Osmosis right like, he would
kind of blend into those guys and they've helped it.
They'll help him change the narrative of his career. U
this this series, it just fascinates me because for thirty
(13:00):
six minutes of the forty eight minutes of each game,
you're like, the Celtics are way better than the Knicks,
way better. And then it gets tight, and then it's
like it's like the Celtics are the thunder from last year.
That's Dan what it reminds me of. It looks like
the celt like, what are they doing? What are they doing?
(13:25):
And yet they've they've they've played at the very highest
level of the NBA and succeeded, and yet it's you.
The Knicks come from twenty down both games and they
don't completely class but it's just like there doesn't seem
to be a plan there, and it's stunning to watch.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
They almost seem uncomfortable of being that team. Yeah and
that and that they're they're they're better suited in in
a way of having a chip on their shoulder, But
when you're expected you're being that team, for some reason,
it just doesn't It just doesn't work.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
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on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
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