May 14, 2025 • 40 mins
On a Wednesday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug explains what makes the Pacers different from the other NBA teams and offers up a theory on how they have been able to make it to the Eastern Conference Finals two years in a row.
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after this year radio show concludes. Welcome in. The Indiana
Pacers are the first team to qualify for the excuse say,
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second team right to qualify for the conference finals. You
got Minnesota, Minnesota. We wait to Minnesota qualify yet? No, wait,
they got one more game to wins. My bad. Okay,
so it feels like it's over because Steph Curry's not
playing and because of how it felt like Jimmy Butler
kind of quit. But the Indiana Pacers move on the
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Oklahoma City thunder retake and commanding three games to two
lead over the Denver Nuggets. That one moves to Denver
for Game six. The Knicks will try and eliminate the
Celtics tonight. They're underdogs in Boston, up three games to one.
Jason Tatum, we had no word on the extent of
the injury, and then he had Achilles ten in surgery,
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so we're like, oh, guess he towards Achilles ten and
and then of course he got Minnesota and Golden State,
which again nuts Tonight feels like a formality, but it
is not until it actually strikes Zeros. I think the
PACER's story is an interesting one, right, Like I'll just
take it to my life for an example. And one
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of my friends in coaching, a mentor of mine, is
Chris Beard, who's the head coach at Omiss, and he
was he's always encouraged me to take a head coaching job,
and his big thing was like, look, the line you
need to use is for any of these programs is
if you want the same result, try it the same way.
If you want a different result, you gotta try it
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a little differently. And I was talking to another buddy
of mine who was applying for was a finalist for
a head coaching job, and he's like, hey, my I
was like, well, what would you do to differentiate yourself?
We'd play crazy fast and shoot a ton of threes.
And we feel like at this level, with our lack
of money, we got to be different than everybody else.
We got to play differently. And I think the pacers,
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I think they do that they play differently, that they
don't have a superstar talent. They don't. I think tyres
Halburton is a tremendous player, and I think the overrated
mantra that follows him, because that's what he was voted
by by NBA players, is just a one they don't
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respect him, and two, most importantly, I think they just
think he runs his mouth too much, considering he hasn't
done enough in the playoffs. That's again, that's not me
saying it. It's my guess of why he was voted
as such because I didn't know he was super highly rated.
I didn't know that actually happened. So it just feels
like that's their way of saying, I don't like that guy.
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That's really I don't like that guy. So this is
what I'm gonna do. But he's been amazing and they
just smoked the Cleveland Cavaliers. Here's Hal Burton talking about
their team style.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
We're different than every other team in the NBA. You know,
we don't just have one guy who scores all the
points or you know, we we I think we defeat
teams in different ways. We moved the ball, the balls plably,
got a lot of different guys making shots, making plays.
We've preached our depth all, you know, for the last
couple of years, and you know it's paying off now.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
So uh yeah, I I I think they're trying to
do something a different way, and I think they're accomplishing
that task. Here's how Burton talking about the Pacers being
in the conference finals for a second straight year.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
We're not done. We still got you know, ways to go.
But it's a special feeling, man. And you know, watching
the lottery last night, I remember being at the being
representative at the lottery a couple of years ago and
uh not wanting moon, you know, to go back. So
it's a special, man. This group is special.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Yeah, it is. It is. It's incredibly special, unbelievably special
to see this and to see a team that we
think of the NBA as two stars or three stars
in every team in order to accomplish the task, and
here there's not. And they have Rick Carlisle, who's a
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widely regarded as an amazing offensive coach, go back to
his days obviously in Dallas, and what he's put together
is pretty special. But he says the job is not done.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Look, we're talking about eight more wins for an NBA championship.
You know, the league is is wide open this year.
I mean there are a lot of there are a
lot of great teams, but it's it's wide open and
we've just got.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
To keep believing.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Hmm. Yeah, there's still eight games. That's a long eight
games away. Now, they're very likely to run the benefit
of playing the Knicks, not the Celtics. And even though
the Knicks are healthy and the Celtics are not, and
the Knicks, it's going to be a snake pit to
go into New York. There's a lot of history there
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with Indiana and the Knicks. Again, I think it's a
blood bath of a series. The point is you're not
going against the defending champions and the best team, and
the Celtics gives you a better chance of competing and
winning no matter how hot the Knicks are, no matter
how well the Knicks are playing, and you're going against
the coach that traditionally wants to grind it out players
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players shortened his bench, play them longer minutes against the
team that wants to play more guys fewer minutes and
win with their depth. And it's going to be a
fascinating series again if they match up with the Knicks.
But I think just more than anything, it's the idea of, hey,
you when you're not the Lakers, when you're not the Celtics,
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when you're not one of those Marquis franchises, or somebody
that has drafted a Victor Webbin Yamo or Kobe Bryant
or Tim Duncan or you know you, Steph Curry doesn't
develop under your watch, doesn't become the greatest shooter we've
ever seen, all those things. You have to be different.
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And what happens is, my guess is teams will start
to copy that style.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
You know.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
The layman says, well, Moneyball didn't work. That's that's not true.
They didn't win a World Series with it. They've they
had incredible success with virtually no financial investment from a franchise.
And oh yeah, by the way, while it may not
have worked to winning or getting to a World Series
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with the A's, it did with the Diamondbacks. I mean
it seems to be it did with the with the Rays.
It's the same. It's the same model, and how many
teams copied that model and many of them had success
with it. You know, the wildcat formation, which frankly is
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partially old single wing, So it's actually kind of going
back to how people used to play some back in
the day, but the like, did it work long term
with the Dolphins?
Speaker 4 (07:53):
No?
Speaker 1 (07:53):
But has it lasted in football? Yeah, it's still a
part of people's packages. They find a way to play
eleven on eleven football and snapped the ball directly to
one of their best runners or wide receivers and now
of a sudden that you're blocking becomes easier and tackling
becomes harder. But it started with a high school coach
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who's an offensive coordinator at Arkansas. Then he later obviously
Gus mals On became a head coach still is now,
But the point is that he brought something that people
used to do and then did it differently in college
football than anybody else, and somebody picked up on in
the NFL and started using it and it spread. That's
what this is. So I think there's something subtle and different,
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and it's a great lesson for so many of us,
even people like me who do a radio show forget
about my basketball team. Can you do it a little
bit differently than somebody else? And it won't always be
it won't always work, it won't always be well regarded.
But if you try and do the same thing the
same way with lesser resources than somebody else, what do
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you think you know what's gonna happen. You're forever going
to be behind the same product that has better resources.
That's just that's just how it works. So again, maybe
I'm taking this to mean too much. Maybe I'm taking
because usually again, like what Calhurt has always done, he
uses business metaphors for metaphors in sports, for to metaphor
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for sports. Sure, I'm using one in sports to metaphor
for business or for life. If you want the same outcome,
try the same thing. The Pacers have tried it different
and they're getting better results than traditionally you would get.
Speaker 6 (09:46):
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on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Stuck gott Leap Show, Fox Sports Radio. Ryan Hollins will
join us around the corner. He's our Fox Sports Radio
NBA analyst. I want to talk about this, Aaron Gordon's
second setting the record straate in Ramona Shelburn piece. We'll
do that in a moment. First though, let me get
you Isaac lown Crown get a quick update.
Speaker 7 (10:10):
II Loo okay.
Speaker 8 (10:11):
Doug Baltimore Ravens running back Derek Henrys agreed to a
two year, thirty million dollar extension with twenty five million guaranteed.
The NBA today fine Golden State's Draymond Green fifty thousand
dollars for making an inappropriate comment questioning the integrity of
game officials during Game three of the Western Conference semi
Finals on Saturday. Tonight at nine to thirty Eastern. It's
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Game five from Minneapolis, with the Tea Willves leading the
Warriors three games to one. First at seven Eastern, Game
five of the Eastern Conference Semi Finals from Boston, with
the Knicks leading the Celtics three games to one. Busy
day in the NHL, the Philadelphia Flyers hired Rick Tockett
as their new head coach. The Vancouver Canucks promoted assistant
coach Adam Foot to be their new head coach. The
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Los Angeles Kings hired Hockey Hall of Famer Ken Holland
as their new general manager. Baseball all, the Minnesota Twins
won at Baltimore six to three on the first game
of a double header. It was the Twins' ninth consecutive victory.
The Philadelphia Phillies ended the Saint Louis Cardinals nine game
winning streak two to one of the first game of
a doubleheader. And Reyes Hoskins had five RBI, including a
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home run, in Milwaukee's nine to five victory at Cleveland.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
Doug.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Back to you, Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Let's welcome to Ryan Hollins. He played ten years in
the NBA. He's the analyst for the Houston Rockets TV
network during the regular seasons. Our Fox Sports Radio NBA
analyst all season long. And Ryan, I just want to
give you a snippet of a story which I'm sure
you've read, and then I want to play for you
the Aaron Gordon sound and then we'll discuss it. So
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this is from Ramona Shelburt, and she wrote a piece
of why the Nuggets title hopes might hinge on the
most volatile player in the NBA. Obviously, she meant Russell Westbrook. Apparently,
during Game two of the Clippers series, while David was
at the Dais you know, doing his post game speech,
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there was a heated locker room discussion between Westbrook and
Aaron Gordon. Multiple sources told ESPN Gordon had challenged Westbrook
about his attitude outside the locker room. One player relayed
why Gordon might have done so. He's so mature, he
said of Russell Westbrook. Here's Aaron Gordon last night after
Lass discussing that article.
Speaker 9 (12:25):
Really, I don't feel like talking about the game. Earlier,
I caught wind of an article that came out about
Russell Westbrook and in our locker room after Game two,
which was a completely arbitrary article and pointless and unnecessary
by whoever it was that put it out. Russ is
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one of the most talented basketball players that has ever
played the game of basketball, and quite frankly, he's been
great for us all year long. We're brothers. We spend
more time with our team than we do with our
own family. Of course, it's going to be disagreements, but
that conversation wasn't for anybody other than our own group
and the like the internal workings of our locker room.
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So that article is just so Arbitrarrian so far from
the truth for us. Has been amazing for us, And
not only is he a great basketball player, but he's
an even better human being. And he's going to continue
to be great for us, and he's going to make
a huge impact and he's going to help us win
these next two games.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
And that's all I got to say.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Okay, Ryan, what's your reaction toll of it?
Speaker 10 (13:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 11 (13:30):
Man, I think it is sad when those things get out,
but yeah, you can pick up. And I saw ag
said earlier that there was some type of disagreement or something,
but definitely not enough to feel like the season had
been derailed. And you see how competitive Denver's been. Thought,
I'm shocked when they when they fired Mike Malone. I
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played for Mike. I didn't think that they'd have even
the success they've had here so far. There's been a
group that's kind of you know, pulled together and has
since kind of played all odds against all odds, and
it's it's intriguing to me even outside of that. I
don't know how you feel, But the whole thing was
kind of tailor that. The firing of Michael Malone was
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essentially because he was showing favoritism to Westbrook and they
wanted the other kid to play. And now this kid
hadn't even snipped the floor at the end of the day,
and Westbrook has still had some moments, but he's had
some He's done more good than bad at the end
of the day. So I'm intrigued, but I don't I
don't read too much by it. But when stuff gets
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out like that, I'm also some question Who's who's letting
it out?
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Yeah, I don't know. I mean, like, look, I think
if you went to any locker room after a loss
in the playoffs, there's very possibly all that confrontation, right,
Like that's it's one of the things. I don't know
how you feel. You know, you've worked at a couple
of networks. I have too. It's honestly one of the
things that I find hard for people who are like
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executives to understand, where if you've been a coach or
a player, you handle confrontation much easier because it's sort
of normal. It's sort of part of the it's like
a job hazard, right, and like you can actually argue.
And by the way, Russell Westbrook can be immature, it
still doesn't mean that you don't like him, or he
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doesn't make your team better, or you know you want
to get rid of him, like all of these things
can in fact be true. You could have an argument
he can be immature, and yet you can still like
playing with him and think he's he's better for your
team than not having him on your team.
Speaker 11 (15:35):
I think what you drive from there, and obviously we
all know Ramona. I've started the business of Ramona.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (15:42):
I think the biggest thing is that remember she said
what she said about the Suns, and obviously Katie said
our locker room was perfectly fine, and it absolutely was
not its dubs.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
The fire over there.
Speaker 11 (15:54):
Not to say that those guys don't like each other,
they don't get along, but in a basketball sense, you can.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
Tell they were.
Speaker 11 (15:59):
They had checked out at a certain point. So Ramontena
is not wrong for whoever came to me with it.
But what it tells me is that there's still a
camp that is against Russell Westbrook. There's a guys that
are there. There's part that's for him there in Denver,
and there's part that you know it probably aren't as
fond of them or okay with them at the end
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of the day. So that that's what I'm I'm driving
from that. Or Ramona's putting something out is because somebody
came to her with it.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Uh yeah, and generally somebody somebody wants it out. It's
it's fascinating. Okay, what about the Nuggets right? Uh last
night Oklahoma City late run puts them away. Now the
now they have a three game to two series lead,
right where the Denver was previously in control, they are
not currently in control. What's the likelihood of them coming
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back and taking the series?
Speaker 11 (16:53):
Man, very likely. I'm shaking up my boots if I'm
Oklahoma City. And unfortunately, you know, this could wind up
similar to what we've seen, what we've seen in Houston
and with my Rockets it was it was it was
flipped the other way. But you know, they win Game
six at home and then you're gonna say, with all
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their experience, how do they not go out and get
a Game seven and you have to feel like hat
salt to Oka.
Speaker 10 (17:21):
See.
Speaker 11 (17:21):
They played hard, they were scrappy, they did everything they
could defensively against Yokichi was spectacular. And when you play
a game a guy like that, you want Yolks to
get his buckets and you want to take the other
guys out. You want them to be uncomfortable. And I
thought that Denver's the role players around Jokics really got
uncomfortable looks when the ball moved around the corner around
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the horn. So I do think that Denver they win
game six, I'm gonna favor them in game seven.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Doug, Yeah, because they've they've been there, They've they've won
those those championship games before, and I think it's interesting. Again,
I'd love your perspective on it, Like I feel like
Oklahoma City he has a little bit of and Minnesota
has this too, where they had great ball movement, they
run unbelievable sets, but in the playoffs they have a
tendency to just like hear shake go win us a game.
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And it's not that he's not good enough, but it's
not what's made them arguably the best team in the
NBA in the regular season. Like they still haven't figured
out how to be themselves in the playoffs? Is that?
Does that? Is that accurate in any way?
Speaker 11 (18:29):
You're all the way right. It's an evaluation period, you know,
because you can say lou Dort, for example, lou Dort's
had an unbelievable season. But okay, lou Dort, we're gonna
leave you open game six, you worked on your shot,
You've gotten all the way to this point. Can you
can you go out and get fifteen to twenty of
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open look, because that's what we're gonna give you to
take away shade you know herd and sign? Are you
going to hit puting points on floors in the point?
And he would unbelievable in game five, man, he was
an electric I thought he was the guy that changed
the energy. Jamel Williams has got off the bench just
throwing a body. I mean he took he took forty
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four to the doumb Okay. That's kat at the end
of the day. But are you gonna beat me? So
you know, Denver is gonna present some of those problems
and you can't expect them to shoot the ball as
bad as they did. So I think it's gonna be
a good one. But if I'm Oklahoma City, I gotta
win this one. I gotta take this one. I don't
want to see even though it's gonna be at Okay, see,
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I don't want to see Game seven. But Doug, that's
absolutely a thing, and that's why some of those veterans
keep getting paid. That's why you still see PJ. Tucker
on the bench in New York. He hadn't sniffed a minute.
But you know, if there's moments like this, you kind
of know what you're gonna get out of those guys.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Yeah. Yeah, the real ones do what they do and
don't do anything else, don't step out of their role.
Ryan Holmes our guests here in the Doug Outlet Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Do you have a theory on
and it may not be accurate. It feels like guys
are tearing your chillis ten ins more often than they
used to. Do you have a theory as to why?
Speaker 11 (20:07):
Well? The challenge They say that today's NBA is saw
and comparative to what we saw in the eighties and
nineties and even the two thousands, Doug, where we played. Okay, yeah,
we can, we can be falt but the spacing is
is there is much better. It doesn't amy to care,
but to answer your question, it's a battle of nutrition.
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Can you last? And I think that the real equation
to winning in today's NBA, even more so going forward,
is can you play ten, eleven, twelve deep during the
season so that you can be fresh. We saw that
with Oklahoma City that was the game point. They were
just more fresh than Denver. They continued to play minutes
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to guys that you know would would push even with
their success at eleven ten deep, and that ended up
playing out and these guys get worn down. And you
have to be able to sit a guy down because
when you get in a position, are they to play
those minutes? Hey, look at Doncon just physically wasn't fit
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to play the minute. So I think that it's great
for the league. I think that as you build a
roster and you construct your roster, you've got to be
able to trust ten to eleven deep. And I think
what happens is it shows in these moments like this.
Now oddly enough, Doug, suddenly enough. What's crazy is the
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New York Hits are more healthy right now than the Celtics.
That was a team that I thought that had created
the kind of baseline for being able to play. And
they've wrest Jason Tatum and the rest Jaylen Brown, they
do a lot of that. So I shock that what
we did see in the game from Joe Mozula, And
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maybe this was a challenge. You don't think he went
pas seven to eight deep. He played so tight with
that rotation because he couldn't afford to take his guys.
Oh and maybe Tatum was that what to play by
those minutes or they wore him down unfortunately from our Rockets,
Kurrians that golowing down to that game seven. So you know,
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I guess the challenge would be he prepared these guys
to play seven games of forty plus minutes forty two
forty four plus minutes, because that's when you need them
and how do you get there? But it's an intriguing
place for the league to answer your question of full Doug,
the league is getting older, dude.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Yeah, but Jason TAM's only twenty seven. He's only twenty seven,
and I like, I get it, Like you know, KD
was in his thirties and Damian Lillard's in his thirties, right,
But de Jontay Murray's not. He toreds achilles ten and
now you have Jason Tatum who's like just coming into
his prime tears is I don't know. It's just weird
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to me that it feels the acl injuries have always happened.
Achilles felt very very rarely feel a little bit more
normal out and they used to.
Speaker 11 (23:01):
Maybe these guys aren't putting in the work on their
achilles and ankles. And scientifically, I think I'm not sure.
I'm sure you probably know, is Doug, and you quote
fact check me whoever. I think it's like like like
above thirty five or forty, there's some point where the
male achilles tendon goes instead of being more like a
rubber band and then to get stiffer, and that's why
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you see a lot of tears. But you're right for
this to happen with the younger guys, maybe the all
the mobility work is being done with the knees and
the hips and not getting addressed at the ankle. Then
you got to understand, too, Dug, these guys get million
dollars plus shoe deals. Are you taking a shoe deal
that you shouldn't be taken?
Speaker 4 (23:42):
You know?
Speaker 11 (23:42):
Are you wearing something just because that's what they're given
to you. Are you wearing something because it's what's best
for your feet?
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox s Portrayer, that's the
voice of Ryan Hollins. Why don't NBA players respect Tyrese Halbert?
And I say respect because the overrated thing, Like, I
don't know if he's rated to be overrated, but that
when you vote for a guy, it means like we
don't like it, we don't respect him. Uh, it feels
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that way. And again, if I'm wrong, you tell me,
but it feels like they don't. If so, why would
that be.
Speaker 11 (24:18):
Doug When it's when it's bad, it's bad with Halliburton.
He's he's absolutely non factor in games and he and
he can he can float out there. Let's call it
for what it is. He's he's a thinner guy. He
doesn't walk in. He's not on the All Airport team.
He's not a physical guy. The shot has a bit
of a wind up to it. Look like when you
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go watch him, and we've seen him several times, you
go watch him play, you kind of questioned how a
shot goes in?
Speaker 5 (24:48):
Well, I'll do him.
Speaker 11 (24:48):
You respect. But Halliburton is a guy who, when he's
at his best, can score in past with elite levels.
Now the elite levels, we got to mention him. Luca
on his A game, Lebron James on his A game. Okay,
James Harden when he's being the best version of Harden,
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Nicole Jokic, I can beat you with the score, beat
you with that. There's a handful of guys maybe outside it, Doug,
if you can think of anybody else, let me know.
Halliburton can do that. I think it's by the looks.
I think it's by the appearance. He's obviously he's a
nice guy. You don't feel like if you were in
a street fight to be pulling Halliburton with you. But
the guy's got another gear that I think and a
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lot of people are sleeping on and they're not saying.
And you know he doesn't just beat you with the
physical play. Hal Burton will make, Doug, you love this
halli Burton will make the kickup pass and it doesn't
turn into assisting the game. He'll make the regular play.
But that boy got that dog in him. And if
you're Sacramento in the state to Darienkle poor kings man.
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I was a former king. They're probably going, man, gosh,
we made a mistake. We should have went another direction,
because that guy is really good and he's something that
you can build around.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Ryan, you're the best man. Really appreciate you joining us.
Look forward to talking with you more as the playoffs
roll on. Thanks for being our guest on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 11 (26:08):
Hey anytime dog?
Speaker 1 (26:09):
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May fourteenth in Green Bay, Wisconsin. Huh, Well, wait on
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(27:07):
NBA big games tonight, big games last night, lots to
discuss Ryan Hollands joining us in twenty five minutes. But
it's the middle of the day, the middle of the week,
and frankly, this is the middle of our show. We
had the podcasts hour long. It's after this show just
type in, dug out bevery dead podcasts. So we do
something on Wednesdays called the Midway. It's not getting the middle,
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it's time for the.
Speaker 6 (27:36):
Midway.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Hey, Jay stew what is the Midway topics?
Speaker 5 (27:39):
You dog?
Speaker 10 (27:40):
I'll take it from here. It's actually the middle of
the month as well. They celebrate Midway, middle of the month,
middle of the show, middle of the day, middle of
the week.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
This is the text that I sent out to the
group today.
Speaker 12 (27:53):
The middle of the month. We only have twenty eight
days in May for Midway. Is the NFL schedule release exhaustion?
If so, why I've been fighting in this battle for
the better part of fifteen years. I've never understood all
(28:18):
the hubbub around schedule release. I've never understood it, but
it's become a massive ordeal. I think more people are
starting to gravitate to the Okay, enough is enough. We
know the NFL has a scheduled release, we know what
teams were playing. I don't know if it needs to
be shoved down our throat. I've been fighting this battle
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for years and have been losing. People tell me it's
one of the greatest things to happen in the sports calendar.
I've always disagreed with that, but there just seems to
be more and more people exhausted by it than usual.
And maybe I'm making that up, and so I wanted
to see what you guys think.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
I kind of think you're making it.
Speaker 13 (29:01):
I think there's a morsel of truth there. I mean,
we love the draft. I think most people are, like, like,
the drafts is more popular than ever. It's a it's
an event. But like I'm kind of with Jason here,
like you follow a team, you know what division they play,
and you know they're obviously you're gonna have the divisional games.
Then you get the fun like you know divisional games,
of the crossovers and stuff.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
But I just don't se Yeah, I don't see all
the hullabaloo.
Speaker 13 (29:22):
I don't I don't look at it like I look
at the draft as a lot more content, a lot
more exciting, you know, you see, Okay, like the Dolphins
are playing at the forty nine ers like cool.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
I just I don't get it. I con with Jason here.
Speaker 5 (29:38):
For one.
Speaker 7 (29:39):
Oh go ahead, dog, it's your Trump.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
No, I you had you had a cognitive thought. I
just I would say this. I think, Jason, are you
sick of it? Or do you legitimately think other people
are sick of it?
Speaker 11 (29:53):
Well?
Speaker 10 (29:53):
The first one's definitely true. But it just seems like
I have seen more of the tone on social media
that we've kind of had enough of this, especially the leaks.
Now today when all the schedules come out, you're going
to see the excitement of people and their teams, and
I think that's where that's where I lack. I'm I
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cover this as a job. It's content. I don't have
a passion for my NFL team that most people do,
and so it's a big deal for everyone's individual teams
in general. Though, from the national media and just the
tone of social media from the influencers.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Yeah, that's that's that's where exhaustion. I get it, Okay,
But remember everything in the social media world sucks or
is the greatest ever? There is actually no in.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Between amplified suckiness amplified greatness.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
I truly believe that. So and again, you have a
tendency to just a tendency to get sucked into that negative, right,
I think. And you're also in the sports world. We
talk about it a lot. I don't think average every day.
And I also I learned this when I was at ESPN.
(31:08):
I will credit ESPN with this. People have always been
critical of ESPN people or ESPN programmings promoting other ESPN programs.
And the point was always made there like, hey, you know,
when you're at ESPN, it's the same at Fox, the
same at CBS. It's not like Fox is going to
go like, oh, hey, CBS has got something cool coming up,
(31:30):
let's tell you about it. Right, And here's the other part.
And I can tell you live at this based upon
different shows. Many shows even within those networks ESPN, CBS, Fox,
don't promote right, They promote like one thing. So my
point is for the NFL, if they don't promote their
(31:51):
games or the release of their schedule, who's going to right,
Who's going to So they've made kind of a cottage
industry out of something that was there always and we
didn't know that people actually cared about. Now do people
care about it so much that we should go on
the Today Show and say, Hey, NBC's got the super Bowl,
(32:11):
let me tell about the games? NBC has no not really,
but the constant promotion and finding different ways to use
Like what's the point of having a media rights deal
with every major media company if you and they all
have games, if you don't let them promote those games
(32:32):
and it becomes free promotion for the NFL. I actually
think it's genius, And though it wears you out, I
think a lot of that is reflective of the the
extra negative from social media.
Speaker 5 (32:44):
Doug.
Speaker 13 (32:45):
The schedule release is like the McRib coming back at McDonald's.
There's a small pocket of people who get very vocal
and excited about it. For for me, I've never had
a McRib, I don't particularly want to try a McRib.
I don't know what it's made out of. Possible newspapers
and Jim Mattz mixed with me. So it's like for me,
I don't care. But for a lot of there is, Yes,
they are catering to that group of people that get
(33:06):
really geeked out over this, But to me, it's the mcrip.
Here's the thing about the leaks too, It's like a
trailer with too much good stuff in it, a movie trailer.
If you see all the good stuff in the trailer,
by the time you actually get to the schedule release,
you're like, ah, I've already seen all that. I saw
the good parts already, so it's like it kind of
I think the leaks are a problem for this.
Speaker 8 (33:24):
I'd be amused if, just for fun, they also leaked
out some just randomly mediocre matchups.
Speaker 7 (33:29):
Like we don Titans against Saints.
Speaker 8 (33:34):
But personally, to answer your question, Doug, personally, I'm tired
of it. It's like a dripping faucet while I'm trying
to sleep. It's just dripped out for so many consecutive
days and day parts. I don't think that sports fans
in general have a problem with it, but I do
think to answer your question, it speaks to a broader
(33:56):
issue because what is the tipping point or being saturated
with the NFL? Now, who would have thought that they
would have made the draft a three day extravaganza with
literally hundreds of thousands of people in the host city.
So I don't think that's the tipping point. I don't
think that's jumping the shark. I don't think it'll be
(34:18):
with an eighteen game schedule, But would it be with
expansion or perhaps overseas expansion.
Speaker 10 (34:24):
I think so that was the word I was looking for, oversaturation. Oversaturation.
I guess that's kind of rehied in the exhausting. So
the score on the midway the three to one, it's
getting exhausting.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Okay again, I I would love to know. And even
if we had Collins, which like Peo were like, ooh,
could we call it?
Speaker 2 (34:51):
No, No, I thought I meant multiple Colin cowhards you're
talking about.
Speaker 7 (34:56):
I thought you met Doug Collins or Chris Collins.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
Or the quarterback for the Giants who went through the Super.
Speaker 8 (35:02):
Bowl Carrie Colin. Ye, I still got a rough day
because of the Ravens defense.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
I still like plural Colin cowherds. This is Collins. I
continue on.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
But if we had call Ins or Colin, uh, you'd
have people go like yeah, like what like? But I
kind of feel like it's an it's an Are the
NFL networks still the highest of the highest they've ever
been highest of any major sports.
Speaker 7 (35:29):
Flee They can basically do no wrong.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Correct, So telling you what's coming up, promoting their upcoming shows, Like,
why is this any different than I'll give you exactly. Okay,
here's one, Jase, do your your favorite band that's touring
this summer.
Speaker 5 (35:51):
Let's see the National.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Okay, the National's tour in the summer.
Speaker 8 (35:56):
The now defunct daily sports newspaper I used to like,
I did too with the box Scores.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Yeah, it's also a rental car company National it is.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
I'm I'm Emerald Execs. Just see you guys. Know, literally,
I walk out, Now, I walk outside and come drives
the car for me. It's like autonom is driving, only
you know, I have to pay for My point is,
do you know where they play a Memorial weekend? Without
looking it up?
Speaker 5 (36:24):
Negative?
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Was there ever an outlet that would say, hey, like
the National, here's what they're doing this summer.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
No, that's a good point, Like what they're doing.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Is simply promoted. I I hear you on the oversaturation,
but we haven't reached that point yet. And I think
I think the big thing is that outside of a
couple weeks of the year, you keep it at Thursday,
Sundays and Mondays. I think where it'll become too much
is if it's like mac football, where it's like on
(36:55):
Tuesdays and Wednesdays. You're like, okay, now it's just really
hard for me to watch college football.
Speaker 13 (36:59):
You're right right now, it's May, it's mid May. The
NFL just wants you going on, right, They just want
you to have the NFL in your mind, and so
we'll forgive the NFL by late August early September games
are starting. Oh, I remember when they annoyed us with
schedule release talk back in May. We've forgiven for that
because it's the NFL. We love it, we crave it.
So it'll you know, oversaturation won't lead to people actually
(37:23):
not tuning in or.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Anything like that.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Yeah. I just again, I don't think I hear you, Jason,
and I guess it's like really because it's it's sort
of silly what we're doing, right, Like they leak it out,
it's not a leak, it's a plant. There's a difference
in a leak in a.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Plant, and they're letting it happen.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Yeah, Yeah, it's you know, it's drip trip trip trip trip.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Trip piece teas Tea's.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Got it, but whatever, Like, why else would you watch
the NFL network on Tuesday May fourteen? Anybody? You wouldn't?
Speaker 2 (38:01):
You wouldn't hear about Dereck Henry's contract.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
I don't know Dereck Henry's contract. You know who's holding out?
Like again, none of this stuff changes. Do you really
want to know? Would you prefer us to cover Dylan
Gabriel and Shador Sanders and how they threw seven on
seven shirts skins? Of course? Not so Instead you're like oh,
and then it leads to I think here's what really
(38:25):
annoys you, Jason is classic schedule guy radio. Well, that's
a win, that's a loss, that's a lost dog, it's
a wind Like that just gets super frustrating, Like we
don't know how healthy anybody would be, what they'll be.
Like the only thing I actually find it cool like
wh they're playing?
Speaker 11 (38:43):
Where?
Speaker 1 (38:43):
When?
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Okay, so international stuff is fine? Yeah, where do you
draw the line?
Speaker 5 (38:50):
I think?
Speaker 8 (38:51):
Yeah, I think there's a tipping point with the international stuff.
I mean, in ten years, are they going to be
playing a game on an iceberg in Antarctica?
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Polar Bowl?
Speaker 2 (39:01):
The South Pole show Down? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (39:04):
Sam, will be there. He loves when things are freezing.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
The Viking is.
Speaker 10 (39:08):
Isaac walked into the studio today and said, why is
it freezing in the studios.
Speaker 13 (39:13):
That's because it was freezing the thermost Sam's a polar bearer.
The thermostat said sixty nine degrees. I fell, I find
that to be very comfortable in Green Bay. That'd be
like a nice summery spring day. But for these guys,
you guys, you guys need to eat a steak or
something and put some fat on that back.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Wait, sixty nine degrees is too cold.
Speaker 13 (39:30):
Jason was like rubbing his hands together like he was
into the south pool. Oh, I'm gonna get frost byed
up in here. I'm I'm not perspiring like I'm warm.
Speaker 10 (39:42):
I like, I'm going to quote Isaac, is the thermostat broken.
It's sixty nine on a thermostat doesn't doesn't tell me
anything if it's freezing.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
It's now seventy three in here, and I'm getting pitted out.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
You're getting pitted at. I mean you're getting un arms
with your armpit sweat.
Speaker 7 (39:58):
I've been outside of ice rinks than the studio was
this morning.
Speaker 13 (40:02):
Isaac crabbed the hand the door handle and he's like,
it's freezing. I'm like, yeah, it's a metal door handle, Isaac.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Yeah, I like it when it's cold. I thought every
I thought. I read something where every room is supposed
to be sixty five degrees Kah.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
There's a lot of equipment in here that gets warm,
you know.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Yeah, you gotta keep it cool. That, my friends, is
the Midway.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
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The Doug Gottleeb Show broadcasts every day from three to
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Pacers are the first team to qualify for the excuse say,
(00:48):
second team right to qualify for the conference finals. You
got Minnesota, Minnesota. We wait to Minnesota qualify yet? No, wait,
they got one more game to wins. My bad. Okay,
so it feels like it's over because Steph Curry's not
playing and because of how it felt like Jimmy Butler
kind of quit. But the Indiana Pacers move on the
(01:10):
Oklahoma City thunder retake and commanding three games to two
lead over the Denver Nuggets. That one moves to Denver
for Game six. The Knicks will try and eliminate the
Celtics tonight. They're underdogs in Boston, up three games to one.
Jason Tatum, we had no word on the extent of
the injury, and then he had Achilles ten in surgery,
(01:31):
so we're like, oh, guess he towards Achilles ten and
and then of course he got Minnesota and Golden State,
which again nuts Tonight feels like a formality, but it
is not until it actually strikes Zeros. I think the
PACER's story is an interesting one, right, Like I'll just
take it to my life for an example. And one
(01:55):
of my friends in coaching, a mentor of mine, is
Chris Beard, who's the head coach at Omiss, and he
was he's always encouraged me to take a head coaching job,
and his big thing was like, look, the line you
need to use is for any of these programs is
if you want the same result, try it the same way.
If you want a different result, you gotta try it
(02:17):
a little differently. And I was talking to another buddy
of mine who was applying for was a finalist for
a head coaching job, and he's like, hey, my I
was like, well, what would you do to differentiate yourself?
We'd play crazy fast and shoot a ton of threes.
And we feel like at this level, with our lack
of money, we got to be different than everybody else.
We got to play differently. And I think the pacers,
(02:44):
I think they do that they play differently, that they
don't have a superstar talent. They don't. I think tyres
Halburton is a tremendous player, and I think the overrated
mantra that follows him, because that's what he was voted
by by NBA players, is just a one they don't
(03:05):
respect him, and two, most importantly, I think they just
think he runs his mouth too much, considering he hasn't
done enough in the playoffs. That's again, that's not me
saying it. It's my guess of why he was voted
as such because I didn't know he was super highly rated.
I didn't know that actually happened. So it just feels
like that's their way of saying, I don't like that guy.
(03:26):
That's really I don't like that guy. So this is
what I'm gonna do. But he's been amazing and they
just smoked the Cleveland Cavaliers. Here's Hal Burton talking about
their team style.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
We're different than every other team in the NBA. You know,
we don't just have one guy who scores all the
points or you know, we we I think we defeat
teams in different ways. We moved the ball, the balls plably,
got a lot of different guys making shots, making plays.
We've preached our depth all, you know, for the last
couple of years, and you know it's paying off now.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
So uh yeah, I I I think they're trying to
do something a different way, and I think they're accomplishing
that task. Here's how Burton talking about the Pacers being
in the conference finals for a second straight year.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
We're not done. We still got you know, ways to go.
But it's a special feeling, man. And you know, watching
the lottery last night, I remember being at the being
representative at the lottery a couple of years ago and
uh not wanting moon, you know, to go back. So
it's a special, man. This group is special.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Yeah, it is. It is. It's incredibly special, unbelievably special
to see this and to see a team that we
think of the NBA as two stars or three stars
in every team in order to accomplish the task, and
here there's not. And they have Rick Carlisle, who's a
(04:52):
widely regarded as an amazing offensive coach, go back to
his days obviously in Dallas, and what he's put together
is pretty special. But he says the job is not done.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Look, we're talking about eight more wins for an NBA championship.
You know, the league is is wide open this year.
I mean there are a lot of there are a
lot of great teams, but it's it's wide open and
we've just got.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
To keep believing.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Hmm. Yeah, there's still eight games. That's a long eight
games away. Now, they're very likely to run the benefit
of playing the Knicks, not the Celtics. And even though
the Knicks are healthy and the Celtics are not, and
the Knicks, it's going to be a snake pit to
go into New York. There's a lot of history there
(05:43):
with Indiana and the Knicks. Again, I think it's a
blood bath of a series. The point is you're not
going against the defending champions and the best team, and
the Celtics gives you a better chance of competing and
winning no matter how hot the Knicks are, no matter
how well the Knicks are playing, and you're going against
the coach that traditionally wants to grind it out players
(06:04):
players shortened his bench, play them longer minutes against the
team that wants to play more guys fewer minutes and
win with their depth. And it's going to be a
fascinating series again if they match up with the Knicks.
But I think just more than anything, it's the idea of, hey,
you when you're not the Lakers, when you're not the Celtics,
(06:29):
when you're not one of those Marquis franchises, or somebody
that has drafted a Victor Webbin Yamo or Kobe Bryant
or Tim Duncan or you know you, Steph Curry doesn't
develop under your watch, doesn't become the greatest shooter we've
ever seen, all those things. You have to be different.
(06:51):
And what happens is, my guess is teams will start
to copy that style.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
You know.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
The layman says, well, Moneyball didn't work. That's that's not true.
They didn't win a World Series with it. They've they
had incredible success with virtually no financial investment from a franchise.
And oh yeah, by the way, while it may not
have worked to winning or getting to a World Series
(07:22):
with the A's, it did with the Diamondbacks. I mean
it seems to be it did with the with the Rays.
It's the same. It's the same model, and how many
teams copied that model and many of them had success
with it. You know, the wildcat formation, which frankly is
(07:43):
partially old single wing, So it's actually kind of going
back to how people used to play some back in
the day, but the like, did it work long term
with the Dolphins?
Speaker 4 (07:53):
No?
Speaker 1 (07:53):
But has it lasted in football? Yeah, it's still a
part of people's packages. They find a way to play
eleven on eleven football and snapped the ball directly to
one of their best runners or wide receivers and now
of a sudden that you're blocking becomes easier and tackling
becomes harder. But it started with a high school coach
(08:16):
who's an offensive coordinator at Arkansas. Then he later obviously
Gus mals On became a head coach still is now,
But the point is that he brought something that people
used to do and then did it differently in college
football than anybody else, and somebody picked up on in
the NFL and started using it and it spread. That's
what this is. So I think there's something subtle and different,
(08:43):
and it's a great lesson for so many of us,
even people like me who do a radio show forget
about my basketball team. Can you do it a little
bit differently than somebody else? And it won't always be
it won't always work, it won't always be well regarded.
But if you try and do the same thing the
same way with lesser resources than somebody else, what do
(09:08):
you think you know what's gonna happen. You're forever going
to be behind the same product that has better resources.
That's just that's just how it works. So again, maybe
I'm taking this to mean too much. Maybe I'm taking
because usually again, like what Calhurt has always done, he
uses business metaphors for metaphors in sports, for to metaphor
(09:30):
for sports. Sure, I'm using one in sports to metaphor
for business or for life. If you want the same outcome,
try the same thing. The Pacers have tried it different
and they're getting better results than traditionally you would get.
Speaker 6 (09:46):
This is the best of the done Dot Leap Show
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Stuck gott Leap Show, Fox Sports Radio. Ryan Hollins will
join us around the corner. He's our Fox Sports Radio
NBA analyst. I want to talk about this, Aaron Gordon's
second setting the record straate in Ramona Shelburn piece. We'll
do that in a moment. First though, let me get
you Isaac lown Crown get a quick update.
Speaker 7 (10:10):
II Loo okay.
Speaker 8 (10:11):
Doug Baltimore Ravens running back Derek Henrys agreed to a
two year, thirty million dollar extension with twenty five million guaranteed.
The NBA today fine Golden State's Draymond Green fifty thousand
dollars for making an inappropriate comment questioning the integrity of
game officials during Game three of the Western Conference semi
Finals on Saturday. Tonight at nine to thirty Eastern. It's
(10:33):
Game five from Minneapolis, with the Tea Willves leading the
Warriors three games to one. First at seven Eastern, Game
five of the Eastern Conference Semi Finals from Boston, with
the Knicks leading the Celtics three games to one. Busy
day in the NHL, the Philadelphia Flyers hired Rick Tockett
as their new head coach. The Vancouver Canucks promoted assistant
coach Adam Foot to be their new head coach. The
(10:54):
Los Angeles Kings hired Hockey Hall of Famer Ken Holland
as their new general manager. Baseball all, the Minnesota Twins
won at Baltimore six to three on the first game
of a double header. It was the Twins' ninth consecutive victory.
The Philadelphia Phillies ended the Saint Louis Cardinals nine game
winning streak two to one of the first game of
a doubleheader. And Reyes Hoskins had five RBI, including a
(11:16):
home run, in Milwaukee's nine to five victory at Cleveland.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
Doug.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Back to you, Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Let's welcome to Ryan Hollins. He played ten years in
the NBA. He's the analyst for the Houston Rockets TV
network during the regular seasons. Our Fox Sports Radio NBA
analyst all season long. And Ryan, I just want to
give you a snippet of a story which I'm sure
you've read, and then I want to play for you
the Aaron Gordon sound and then we'll discuss it. So
(11:43):
this is from Ramona Shelburt, and she wrote a piece
of why the Nuggets title hopes might hinge on the
most volatile player in the NBA. Obviously, she meant Russell Westbrook. Apparently,
during Game two of the Clippers series, while David was
at the Dais you know, doing his post game speech,
(12:05):
there was a heated locker room discussion between Westbrook and
Aaron Gordon. Multiple sources told ESPN Gordon had challenged Westbrook
about his attitude outside the locker room. One player relayed
why Gordon might have done so. He's so mature, he
said of Russell Westbrook. Here's Aaron Gordon last night after
Lass discussing that article.
Speaker 9 (12:25):
Really, I don't feel like talking about the game. Earlier,
I caught wind of an article that came out about
Russell Westbrook and in our locker room after Game two,
which was a completely arbitrary article and pointless and unnecessary
by whoever it was that put it out. Russ is
(12:46):
one of the most talented basketball players that has ever
played the game of basketball, and quite frankly, he's been
great for us all year long. We're brothers. We spend
more time with our team than we do with our
own family. Of course, it's going to be disagreements, but
that conversation wasn't for anybody other than our own group
and the like the internal workings of our locker room.
(13:07):
So that article is just so Arbitrarrian so far from
the truth for us. Has been amazing for us, And
not only is he a great basketball player, but he's
an even better human being. And he's going to continue
to be great for us, and he's going to make
a huge impact and he's going to help us win
these next two games.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
And that's all I got to say.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Okay, Ryan, what's your reaction toll of it?
Speaker 10 (13:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 11 (13:30):
Man, I think it is sad when those things get out,
but yeah, you can pick up. And I saw ag
said earlier that there was some type of disagreement or something,
but definitely not enough to feel like the season had
been derailed. And you see how competitive Denver's been. Thought,
I'm shocked when they when they fired Mike Malone. I
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played for Mike. I didn't think that they'd have even
the success they've had here so far. There's been a
group that's kind of you know, pulled together and has
since kind of played all odds against all odds, and
it's it's intriguing to me even outside of that. I
don't know how you feel, But the whole thing was
kind of tailor that. The firing of Michael Malone was
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essentially because he was showing favoritism to Westbrook and they
wanted the other kid to play. And now this kid
hadn't even snipped the floor at the end of the day,
and Westbrook has still had some moments, but he's had
some He's done more good than bad at the end
of the day. So I'm intrigued, but I don't I
don't read too much by it. But when stuff gets
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out like that, I'm also some question Who's who's letting
it out?
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Yeah, I don't know. I mean, like, look, I think
if you went to any locker room after a loss
in the playoffs, there's very possibly all that confrontation, right,
Like that's it's one of the things. I don't know
how you feel. You know, you've worked at a couple
of networks. I have too. It's honestly one of the
things that I find hard for people who are like
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executives to understand, where if you've been a coach or
a player, you handle confrontation much easier because it's sort
of normal. It's sort of part of the it's like
a job hazard, right, and like you can actually argue.
And by the way, Russell Westbrook can be immature, it
still doesn't mean that you don't like him, or he
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doesn't make your team better, or you know you want
to get rid of him, like all of these things
can in fact be true. You could have an argument
he can be immature, and yet you can still like
playing with him and think he's he's better for your
team than not having him on your team.
Speaker 11 (15:35):
I think what you drive from there, and obviously we
all know Ramona. I've started the business of Ramona.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (15:42):
I think the biggest thing is that remember she said
what she said about the Suns, and obviously Katie said
our locker room was perfectly fine, and it absolutely was
not its dubs.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
The fire over there.
Speaker 11 (15:54):
Not to say that those guys don't like each other,
they don't get along, but in a basketball sense, you can.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
Tell they were.
Speaker 11 (15:59):
They had checked out at a certain point. So Ramontena
is not wrong for whoever came to me with it.
But what it tells me is that there's still a
camp that is against Russell Westbrook. There's a guys that
are there. There's part that's for him there in Denver,
and there's part that you know it probably aren't as
fond of them or okay with them at the end
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of the day. So that that's what I'm I'm driving
from that. Or Ramona's putting something out is because somebody
came to her with it.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Uh yeah, and generally somebody somebody wants it out. It's
it's fascinating. Okay, what about the Nuggets right? Uh last
night Oklahoma City late run puts them away. Now the
now they have a three game to two series lead,
right where the Denver was previously in control, they are
not currently in control. What's the likelihood of them coming
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back and taking the series?
Speaker 11 (16:53):
Man, very likely. I'm shaking up my boots if I'm
Oklahoma City. And unfortunately, you know, this could wind up
similar to what we've seen, what we've seen in Houston
and with my Rockets it was it was it was
flipped the other way. But you know, they win Game
six at home and then you're gonna say, with all
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their experience, how do they not go out and get
a Game seven and you have to feel like hat
salt to Oka.
Speaker 10 (17:21):
See.
Speaker 11 (17:21):
They played hard, they were scrappy, they did everything they
could defensively against Yokichi was spectacular. And when you play
a game a guy like that, you want Yolks to
get his buckets and you want to take the other
guys out. You want them to be uncomfortable. And I
thought that Denver's the role players around Jokics really got
uncomfortable looks when the ball moved around the corner around
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the horn. So I do think that Denver they win
game six, I'm gonna favor them in game seven.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Doug, Yeah, because they've they've been there, They've they've won
those those championship games before, and I think it's interesting. Again,
I'd love your perspective on it, Like I feel like
Oklahoma City he has a little bit of and Minnesota
has this too, where they had great ball movement, they
run unbelievable sets, but in the playoffs they have a
tendency to just like hear shake go win us a game.
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And it's not that he's not good enough, but it's
not what's made them arguably the best team in the
NBA in the regular season. Like they still haven't figured
out how to be themselves in the playoffs? Is that?
Does that? Is that accurate in any way?
Speaker 11 (18:29):
You're all the way right. It's an evaluation period, you know,
because you can say lou Dort, for example, lou Dort's
had an unbelievable season. But okay, lou Dort, we're gonna
leave you open game six, you worked on your shot,
You've gotten all the way to this point. Can you
can you go out and get fifteen to twenty of
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open look, because that's what we're gonna give you to
take away shade you know herd and sign? Are you
going to hit puting points on floors in the point?
And he would unbelievable in game five, man, he was
an electric I thought he was the guy that changed
the energy. Jamel Williams has got off the bench just
throwing a body. I mean he took he took forty
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four to the doumb Okay. That's kat at the end
of the day. But are you gonna beat me? So
you know, Denver is gonna present some of those problems
and you can't expect them to shoot the ball as
bad as they did. So I think it's gonna be
a good one. But if I'm Oklahoma City, I gotta
win this one. I gotta take this one. I don't
want to see even though it's gonna be at Okay, see,
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I don't want to see Game seven. But Doug, that's
absolutely a thing, and that's why some of those veterans
keep getting paid. That's why you still see PJ. Tucker
on the bench in New York. He hadn't sniffed a minute.
But you know, if there's moments like this, you kind
of know what you're gonna get out of those guys.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Yeah. Yeah, the real ones do what they do and
don't do anything else, don't step out of their role.
Ryan Holmes our guests here in the Doug Outlet Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Do you have a theory on
and it may not be accurate. It feels like guys
are tearing your chillis ten ins more often than they
used to. Do you have a theory as to why?
Speaker 11 (20:07):
Well? The challenge They say that today's NBA is saw
and comparative to what we saw in the eighties and
nineties and even the two thousands, Doug, where we played. Okay, yeah,
we can, we can be falt but the spacing is
is there is much better. It doesn't amy to care,
but to answer your question, it's a battle of nutrition.
(20:28):
Can you last? And I think that the real equation
to winning in today's NBA, even more so going forward,
is can you play ten, eleven, twelve deep during the
season so that you can be fresh. We saw that
with Oklahoma City that was the game point. They were
just more fresh than Denver. They continued to play minutes
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to guys that you know would would push even with
their success at eleven ten deep, and that ended up
playing out and these guys get worn down. And you
have to be able to sit a guy down because
when you get in a position, are they to play
those minutes? Hey, look at Doncon just physically wasn't fit
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to play the minute. So I think that it's great
for the league. I think that as you build a
roster and you construct your roster, you've got to be
able to trust ten to eleven deep. And I think
what happens is it shows in these moments like this.
Now oddly enough, Doug, suddenly enough. What's crazy is the
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New York Hits are more healthy right now than the Celtics.
That was a team that I thought that had created
the kind of baseline for being able to play. And
they've wrest Jason Tatum and the rest Jaylen Brown, they
do a lot of that. So I shock that what
we did see in the game from Joe Mozula, And
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maybe this was a challenge. You don't think he went
pas seven to eight deep. He played so tight with
that rotation because he couldn't afford to take his guys.
Oh and maybe Tatum was that what to play by
those minutes or they wore him down unfortunately from our Rockets,
Kurrians that golowing down to that game seven. So you know,
(22:10):
I guess the challenge would be he prepared these guys
to play seven games of forty plus minutes forty two
forty four plus minutes, because that's when you need them
and how do you get there? But it's an intriguing
place for the league to answer your question of full Doug,
the league is getting older, dude.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Yeah, but Jason TAM's only twenty seven. He's only twenty seven,
and I like, I get it, Like you know, KD
was in his thirties and Damian Lillard's in his thirties, right,
But de Jontay Murray's not. He toreds achilles ten and
now you have Jason Tatum who's like just coming into
his prime tears is I don't know. It's just weird
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to me that it feels the acl injuries have always happened.
Achilles felt very very rarely feel a little bit more
normal out and they used to.
Speaker 11 (23:01):
Maybe these guys aren't putting in the work on their
achilles and ankles. And scientifically, I think I'm not sure.
I'm sure you probably know, is Doug, and you quote
fact check me whoever. I think it's like like like
above thirty five or forty, there's some point where the
male achilles tendon goes instead of being more like a
rubber band and then to get stiffer, and that's why
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you see a lot of tears. But you're right for
this to happen with the younger guys, maybe the all
the mobility work is being done with the knees and
the hips and not getting addressed at the ankle. Then
you got to understand, too, Dug, these guys get million
dollars plus shoe deals. Are you taking a shoe deal
that you shouldn't be taken?
Speaker 4 (23:42):
You know?
Speaker 11 (23:42):
Are you wearing something just because that's what they're given
to you. Are you wearing something because it's what's best
for your feet?
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox s Portrayer, that's the
voice of Ryan Hollins. Why don't NBA players respect Tyrese Halbert?
And I say respect because the overrated thing, Like, I
don't know if he's rated to be overrated, but that
when you vote for a guy, it means like we
don't like it, we don't respect him. Uh, it feels
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that way. And again, if I'm wrong, you tell me,
but it feels like they don't. If so, why would
that be.
Speaker 11 (24:18):
Doug When it's when it's bad, it's bad with Halliburton.
He's he's absolutely non factor in games and he and
he can he can float out there. Let's call it
for what it is. He's he's a thinner guy. He
doesn't walk in. He's not on the All Airport team.
He's not a physical guy. The shot has a bit
of a wind up to it. Look like when you
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go watch him, and we've seen him several times, you
go watch him play, you kind of questioned how a
shot goes in?
Speaker 5 (24:48):
Well, I'll do him.
Speaker 11 (24:48):
You respect. But Halliburton is a guy who, when he's
at his best, can score in past with elite levels.
Now the elite levels, we got to mention him. Luca
on his A game, Lebron James on his A game. Okay,
James Harden when he's being the best version of Harden,
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Nicole Jokic, I can beat you with the score, beat
you with that. There's a handful of guys maybe outside it, Doug,
if you can think of anybody else, let me know.
Halliburton can do that. I think it's by the looks.
I think it's by the appearance. He's obviously he's a
nice guy. You don't feel like if you were in
a street fight to be pulling Halliburton with you. But
the guy's got another gear that I think and a
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lot of people are sleeping on and they're not saying.
And you know he doesn't just beat you with the
physical play. Hal Burton will make, Doug, you love this
halli Burton will make the kickup pass and it doesn't
turn into assisting the game. He'll make the regular play.
But that boy got that dog in him. And if
you're Sacramento in the state to Darienkle poor kings man.
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I was a former king. They're probably going, man, gosh,
we made a mistake. We should have went another direction,
because that guy is really good and he's something that
you can build around.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Ryan, you're the best man. Really appreciate you joining us.
Look forward to talking with you more as the playoffs
roll on. Thanks for being our guest on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 11 (26:08):
Hey anytime dog?
Speaker 1 (26:09):
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Speaker 1 (26:25):
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Hope you're having a great day. That Doug Got Leap
Show broadcasts from two spots, sunny southern California Sherman Oaks
Speak Exact and Green Bay, Wisconsin. Word is absolutely stunning,
outside stunning. And the question is what's there to do?
(26:45):
May fourteenth in Green Bay, Wisconsin. Huh, Well, wait on
the NFL schedule release, which you got these leaks and
leaks and leaks and things you think you know. And
then tonight at seven o'clock Eastern time, I believe the
schedule's kind of fully released for everybody. We had some
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NBA big games tonight, big games last night, lots to
discuss Ryan Hollands joining us in twenty five minutes. But
it's the middle of the day, the middle of the week,
and frankly, this is the middle of our show. We
had the podcasts hour long. It's after this show just
type in, dug out bevery dead podcasts. So we do
something on Wednesdays called the Midway. It's not getting the middle,
(27:32):
it's time for the.
Speaker 6 (27:36):
Midway.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Hey, Jay stew what is the Midway topics?
Speaker 5 (27:39):
You dog?
Speaker 10 (27:40):
I'll take it from here. It's actually the middle of
the month as well. They celebrate Midway, middle of the month,
middle of the show, middle of the day, middle of
the week.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
This is the text that I sent out to the
group today.
Speaker 12 (27:53):
The middle of the month. We only have twenty eight
days in May for Midway. Is the NFL schedule release exhaustion?
If so, why I've been fighting in this battle for
the better part of fifteen years. I've never understood all
(28:18):
the hubbub around schedule release. I've never understood it, but
it's become a massive ordeal. I think more people are
starting to gravitate to the Okay, enough is enough. We
know the NFL has a scheduled release, we know what
teams were playing. I don't know if it needs to
be shoved down our throat. I've been fighting this battle
(28:41):
for years and have been losing. People tell me it's
one of the greatest things to happen in the sports calendar.
I've always disagreed with that, but there just seems to
be more and more people exhausted by it than usual.
And maybe I'm making that up, and so I wanted
to see what you guys think.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
I kind of think you're making it.
Speaker 13 (29:01):
I think there's a morsel of truth there. I mean,
we love the draft. I think most people are, like, like,
the drafts is more popular than ever. It's a it's
an event. But like I'm kind of with Jason here,
like you follow a team, you know what division they play,
and you know they're obviously you're gonna have the divisional games.
Then you get the fun like you know divisional games,
of the crossovers and stuff.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
But I just don't se Yeah, I don't see all
the hullabaloo.
Speaker 13 (29:22):
I don't I don't look at it like I look
at the draft as a lot more content, a lot
more exciting, you know, you see, Okay, like the Dolphins
are playing at the forty nine ers like cool.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
I just I don't get it. I con with Jason here.
Speaker 5 (29:38):
For one.
Speaker 7 (29:39):
Oh go ahead, dog, it's your Trump.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
No, I you had you had a cognitive thought. I
just I would say this. I think, Jason, are you
sick of it? Or do you legitimately think other people
are sick of it?
Speaker 11 (29:53):
Well?
Speaker 10 (29:53):
The first one's definitely true. But it just seems like
I have seen more of the tone on social media
that we've kind of had enough of this, especially the leaks.
Now today when all the schedules come out, you're going
to see the excitement of people and their teams, and
I think that's where that's where I lack. I'm I
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cover this as a job. It's content. I don't have
a passion for my NFL team that most people do,
and so it's a big deal for everyone's individual teams
in general. Though, from the national media and just the
tone of social media from the influencers.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Yeah, that's that's that's where exhaustion. I get it, Okay,
But remember everything in the social media world sucks or
is the greatest ever? There is actually no in.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Between amplified suckiness amplified greatness.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
I truly believe that. So and again, you have a
tendency to just a tendency to get sucked into that negative, right,
I think. And you're also in the sports world. We
talk about it a lot. I don't think average every day.
And I also I learned this when I was at ESPN.
(31:08):
I will credit ESPN with this. People have always been
critical of ESPN people or ESPN programmings promoting other ESPN programs.
And the point was always made there like, hey, you know,
when you're at ESPN, it's the same at Fox, the
same at CBS. It's not like Fox is going to
go like, oh, hey, CBS has got something cool coming up,
(31:30):
let's tell you about it. Right, And here's the other part.
And I can tell you live at this based upon
different shows. Many shows even within those networks ESPN, CBS, Fox,
don't promote right, They promote like one thing. So my
point is for the NFL, if they don't promote their
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games or the release of their schedule, who's going to right,
Who's going to So they've made kind of a cottage
industry out of something that was there always and we
didn't know that people actually cared about. Now do people
care about it so much that we should go on
the Today Show and say, Hey, NBC's got the super Bowl,
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let me tell about the games? NBC has no not really,
but the constant promotion and finding different ways to use
Like what's the point of having a media rights deal
with every major media company if you and they all
have games, if you don't let them promote those games
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and it becomes free promotion for the NFL. I actually
think it's genius, And though it wears you out, I
think a lot of that is reflective of the the
extra negative from social media.
Speaker 5 (32:44):
Doug.
Speaker 13 (32:45):
The schedule release is like the McRib coming back at McDonald's.
There's a small pocket of people who get very vocal
and excited about it. For for me, I've never had
a McRib, I don't particularly want to try a McRib.
I don't know what it's made out of. Possible newspapers
and Jim Mattz mixed with me. So it's like for me,
I don't care. But for a lot of there is, Yes,
they are catering to that group of people that get
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really geeked out over this, But to me, it's the mcrip.
Here's the thing about the leaks too, It's like a
trailer with too much good stuff in it, a movie trailer.
If you see all the good stuff in the trailer,
by the time you actually get to the schedule release,
you're like, ah, I've already seen all that. I saw
the good parts already, so it's like it kind of
I think the leaks are a problem for this.
Speaker 8 (33:24):
I'd be amused if, just for fun, they also leaked
out some just randomly mediocre matchups.
Speaker 7 (33:29):
Like we don Titans against Saints.
Speaker 8 (33:34):
But personally, to answer your question, Doug, personally, I'm tired
of it. It's like a dripping faucet while I'm trying
to sleep. It's just dripped out for so many consecutive
days and day parts. I don't think that sports fans
in general have a problem with it, but I do
think to answer your question, it speaks to a broader
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issue because what is the tipping point or being saturated
with the NFL? Now, who would have thought that they
would have made the draft a three day extravaganza with
literally hundreds of thousands of people in the host city.
So I don't think that's the tipping point. I don't
think that's jumping the shark. I don't think it'll be
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with an eighteen game schedule, But would it be with
expansion or perhaps overseas expansion.
Speaker 10 (34:24):
I think so that was the word I was looking for, oversaturation. Oversaturation.
I guess that's kind of rehied in the exhausting. So
the score on the midway the three to one, it's
getting exhausting.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Okay again, I I would love to know. And even
if we had Collins, which like Peo were like, ooh,
could we call it?
Speaker 2 (34:51):
No, No, I thought I meant multiple Colin cowhards you're
talking about.
Speaker 7 (34:56):
I thought you met Doug Collins or Chris Collins.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
Or the quarterback for the Giants who went through the Super.
Speaker 8 (35:02):
Bowl Carrie Colin. Ye, I still got a rough day
because of the Ravens defense.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
I still like plural Colin cowherds. This is Collins. I
continue on.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
But if we had call Ins or Colin, uh, you'd
have people go like yeah, like what like? But I
kind of feel like it's an it's an Are the
NFL networks still the highest of the highest they've ever
been highest of any major sports.
Speaker 7 (35:29):
Flee They can basically do no wrong.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Correct, So telling you what's coming up, promoting their upcoming shows, Like,
why is this any different than I'll give you exactly. Okay,
here's one, Jase, do your your favorite band that's touring
this summer.
Speaker 5 (35:51):
Let's see the National.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Okay, the National's tour in the summer.
Speaker 8 (35:56):
The now defunct daily sports newspaper I used to like,
I did too with the box Scores.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Yeah, it's also a rental car company National it is.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
I'm I'm Emerald Execs. Just see you guys. Know, literally,
I walk out, Now, I walk outside and come drives
the car for me. It's like autonom is driving, only
you know, I have to pay for My point is,
do you know where they play a Memorial weekend? Without
looking it up?
Speaker 5 (36:24):
Negative?
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Was there ever an outlet that would say, hey, like
the National, here's what they're doing this summer.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
No, that's a good point, Like what they're doing.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Is simply promoted. I I hear you on the oversaturation,
but we haven't reached that point yet. And I think
I think the big thing is that outside of a
couple weeks of the year, you keep it at Thursday,
Sundays and Mondays. I think where it'll become too much
is if it's like mac football, where it's like on
(36:55):
Tuesdays and Wednesdays. You're like, okay, now it's just really
hard for me to watch college football.
Speaker 13 (36:59):
You're right right now, it's May, it's mid May. The
NFL just wants you going on, right, They just want
you to have the NFL in your mind, and so
we'll forgive the NFL by late August early September games
are starting. Oh, I remember when they annoyed us with
schedule release talk back in May. We've forgiven for that
because it's the NFL. We love it, we crave it.
So it'll you know, oversaturation won't lead to people actually
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not tuning in or.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Anything like that.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Yeah. I just again, I don't think I hear you, Jason,
and I guess it's like really because it's it's sort
of silly what we're doing, right, Like they leak it out,
it's not a leak, it's a plant. There's a difference
in a leak in a.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Plant, and they're letting it happen.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Yeah, Yeah, it's you know, it's drip trip trip trip trip.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Trip piece teas Tea's.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Got it, but whatever, Like, why else would you watch
the NFL network on Tuesday May fourteen? Anybody? You wouldn't?
Speaker 2 (38:01):
You wouldn't hear about Dereck Henry's contract.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
I don't know Dereck Henry's contract. You know who's holding out?
Like again, none of this stuff changes. Do you really
want to know? Would you prefer us to cover Dylan
Gabriel and Shador Sanders and how they threw seven on
seven shirts skins? Of course? Not so Instead you're like oh,
and then it leads to I think here's what really
(38:25):
annoys you, Jason is classic schedule guy radio. Well, that's
a win, that's a loss, that's a lost dog, it's
a wind Like that just gets super frustrating, Like we
don't know how healthy anybody would be, what they'll be.
Like the only thing I actually find it cool like
wh they're playing?
Speaker 11 (38:43):
Where?
Speaker 1 (38:43):
When?
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Okay, so international stuff is fine? Yeah, where do you
draw the line?
Speaker 5 (38:50):
I think?
Speaker 8 (38:51):
Yeah, I think there's a tipping point with the international stuff.
I mean, in ten years, are they going to be
playing a game on an iceberg in Antarctica?
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Polar Bowl?
Speaker 2 (39:01):
The South Pole show Down? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (39:04):
Sam, will be there. He loves when things are freezing.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
The Viking is.
Speaker 10 (39:08):
Isaac walked into the studio today and said, why is
it freezing in the studios.
Speaker 13 (39:13):
That's because it was freezing the thermost Sam's a polar bearer.
The thermostat said sixty nine degrees. I fell, I find
that to be very comfortable in Green Bay. That'd be
like a nice summery spring day. But for these guys,
you guys, you guys need to eat a steak or
something and put some fat on that back.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Wait, sixty nine degrees is too cold.
Speaker 13 (39:30):
Jason was like rubbing his hands together like he was
into the south pool. Oh, I'm gonna get frost byed
up in here. I'm I'm not perspiring like I'm warm.
Speaker 10 (39:42):
I like, I'm going to quote Isaac, is the thermostat broken.
It's sixty nine on a thermostat doesn't doesn't tell me
anything if it's freezing.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
It's now seventy three in here, and I'm getting pitted out.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
You're getting pitted at. I mean you're getting un arms
with your armpit sweat.
Speaker 7 (39:58):
I've been outside of ice rinks than the studio was
this morning.
Speaker 13 (40:02):
Isaac crabbed the hand the door handle and he's like,
it's freezing. I'm like, yeah, it's a metal door handle, Isaac.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Yeah, I like it when it's cold. I thought every
I thought. I read something where every room is supposed
to be sixty five degrees Kah.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
There's a lot of equipment in here that gets warm,
you know.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Yeah, you gotta keep it cool. That, my friends, is
the Midway.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
The Midway
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