May 15, 2025 • 49 mins
On a Wednesday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug talks about the NFL Schedule release and how it relates to the NBA landing a game six at the Garden between the Knicks and Celtics.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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to you from uh huh, just beautiful Green Bay, Wisconsin
and Sherman Oaks, California. It's kind of like Compton together,
Compton Lobbies together, right, Yeah, Yeah, that's exactly. Yeah, that's
the ticket. That's the ticket. Share Oh key boy. Caleb
(00:50):
Williams and his dad, well man, I don't know if
there's any coming back from what they have done other
than when a damn super Bowl. So we'll get to
that upcoming with Seth Wickersham's new article that's out and
regarding the new age of quarterbacks in the NFL. John
(01:11):
Middelkoff will join us today. Daniel Jerem Mile will join
us today. We've got a bunch to get to and
you know there are there are a lot of shows
in sports radio that are still covering the schedule release,
which was yesterday. You know, the classic schedule release show
is the Classic Mic and the Mad Dog. That's a win,
(01:32):
that's the Lewis, it's a wind dog, that's that's we
know this. We don't do that here. And part of
it is if we're just honest with ourselves, once you
get past even in the first week, like teams aren't
really formed. In the first couple of weeks, the games
are close, but as Chase Dowis point out, quality of
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play is not always high, especially how few teams actually
play their guys in the preseason. And then once you
get past those first couple of weeks, there's so many injuries.
You have no idea the level of competitiveness. For most games.
You can say you didn't think the Cowboys were gonna
be any good, but you didn't know that the Cowboys
would lose Dak Prescott last year, did you. The Saints
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start the year two and zero and then all of
a sudden, the roof falls in, Derek Carr gets hurt,
and they were just abysmal. And so for example, what
was that a was that a Christmas Eve game or
December twenty third game Green Bay, New Orleans. Right, it
was a It was a complete nothing burger in terms
of competitiveness in that game. Whereas you know, Minnesota, no
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one thought would be that competitive or that good. They
end up playing Detroit for the division title last year.
And around and around and around me go, what the
world is searching for when the schedule comes out is
what we have? Was it tomorrow night? In New York?
I would challenge any buddy in sports to tell me
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a better There are environments that can be as good.
Perfect example is my college basketball team. Next year. We're
going to open the season at Kansas. It's every seat
will be filled because of them, not because of us.
And it's as good an atmosphere as you will find
anywhere in sport. It's amazing, but it will have that
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in New York plus meaning behind it, pressure behind it,
and a fan base that hasn't seen the Knicks. I
didn't know the stat until yesterday. Close out a series
at home since nineteen ninety nine, over a quarter century ago,
like that is nuts? So what would the And the
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challenge is basically like, tell me a game that is
on anybody's schedule right now that you know is going
to be a better watch than that. Like Alabama, Auburn's
Iron Bowl is always good, but Auburn's been crummy past
couple years. Sometimes even when they're crummy, it's been really good.
I think it was that two or three years ago.
Sometimes it's not Texas and Texas, A and M play now,
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that'll be great. Nothing you get like that. The renewal
of one of the great rivalries in Army Navy is
always really, really good, but the intensity and meaningfulness is
not always there. This one you got all those things.
Plus it's the Celtics, who not only have been the
defending NBA champions, but they've been more competitive more often
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over the past fifty years than the Knicks have. People
in New York think they've invented basketball, think somehow they
have the cure to the basketball cancer disease, and yet
they haven't been able to win anything. It's in the Garden,
which there are other famous arenas. There are other but
when you sayorld's most famous arena, I don't know. It's
hard to challenge that as a hard to challenge that statement.
(05:10):
I'm not a New Yorker, I'm a son of a
New Yorker. I lived in Connecticut, but not in New York.
But even I know that's all of the schedule stuff
and all the talk about it. All you're really looking
for is what you have in Madison Square Garden Game six.
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And then, by the way, if you're the New York Knicks,
the entire reason that you went out and loaded up
your roster with Villanova Wildcats was this idea that hey,
end of the day, are they tall enough, are they
fast enough, do they jump high enough, do they shoot
well enough? It doesn't matter. They know how to win well.
You gotta know how to win, and you're playing against
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the team that is uh, that is that is depleted,
that is down their best score. And by the way,
if you're the Celtics, you gotta think if you win
this game, the pressure goes right back thrust onto the
Boston Celtics because you don't want to be up three
games to one. Jason tim goes down and you still
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lose the series. Like I don't like to hyper focus
on games. We're not gonna do a game preview, or
we can do a game pre We're not gonna do
predictions whatever. But what I can tell you is that's
as good an atmosphere as you're gonna ever see anywhere
in sports, and it's one where you know, oftentimes some
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tickets I will pay for, like I'll pay for really
good seats the thunder if the Nuggets win a night
Nuggets Thunder be Sunday afternoon in Oklahoma City, that one
I would pay for. I pay for, But it still
won't be Celtics and Nicks because you don't have the
seventy years of history between the two New York versus
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Boston Madison Square Garden defending NBA champions against the team
that hasn't won a championship in what is it now,
almost fifty years, more than fifty years. Yeah, that's if
you said, like sports, like, what is sports that? What
is that? Just watch I'll explain watch Swatch. As a
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Southern California guy, Jay Stuke, Can you get behind that?
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Yeah, no, I can, And I think, uh, I think
the people living today that live through that this time
would probably argue. I think that maybe the Roman Colisseum's
the most famous arena in the entire world.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Yeah, well, there's nobody the world's most famous. Will that
be the world's most famous stadium. I don't know, and
where would it Where would the Rose Bull stack out?
It should be America's like we do the world thing,
you know, it's like world famous, Oh there, world famous
chicken noodle soup, Like I don't remember which comedian did it,
but it's like you think, if you're walking in France
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and go like, hey, what's the best chicken nooda super
in the world? That goes Dave's chicken noodle soup? Like no,
but I do think there's something really cool about New
York versus Boston, about Madison Square Garden, about the Knicks
playing a depleted Celtics team, but the Celtics team is
still probably being better than the Knicks. Like the whole thing.
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It's like, what do you love about sports? It's cliche,
but it's like that that that that that's what I
That's what you shoot for, that's what you aim for.
Those are the games that you're willing to pay money for.
Those are the ones that you like to watch and
you get you get invested in.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
That.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
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turns the corner stop for the free throw.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Loge shuttles it out. The pressure crump good night.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Three start spreading the news an uncertain future and a
stormy present.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
But for one night, the clouds have parted and.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
The Boston Celtics have shifted the pressure and set up
a scene unlike we have ever seen Friday Night at
Madison Square Garden.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Stug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. That from
the Celtics radio network. Buyer. You're from Wisconsin. You're a
Bucks fan, an Ohio State football fan, a huge golf fan.
So you have no affinity for Celtics or Nicks. They're
not your teams, not your circus, not your was it,
(09:53):
not your circus, not your your monkeys. Right, that's the
people say. But I don't know. It feels like for
me and you, being hardcore sports guys, that's one I
would pay money to go see.
Speaker 6 (10:07):
There is something unique about Madison Square Garden. I've only
been once and it was for a regular season game.
But as we had talked about I think maybe a
few weeks ago, in comparing a Lakers crowd against a
Knicks crowd in terms of celebrity wise, this isn't meant
to be a knock on any of the Lakers faithful
(10:29):
that are are very big fans in the upper deck.
It feels that the celebrities of the Knicks are Knicks
fans or they're New York based, where the celebrities of
the Lakers are just there to be seen that they're
at the Laker game because they're a celebrity, and I
feel that there is it may go overboard.
Speaker 7 (10:50):
I do feel that.
Speaker 6 (10:51):
That's there's some authenticity there where you do have Tracy
Morgan wearing his Knicks stuff. Obviously, Spike Lee, John McEnroe's there.
There's it's just a little bit more authentic than than
what we get out here on the West Coast with
Lakers games. And I've always felt that that was that
was pretty neat about seeing games at the Garden, specifically
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playoff games.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
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on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
What I put you, Doug gott Leap Show, Fox Sports Radio.
iHeartRadio app. Do you guys know what today is? Anybody
May fifteenth? The IDEs of May? Now, Jase, do you
want to take? Yes? What today is?
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Let's see May fifteen is. I don't. I don't know Sam. No,
I think I guess.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
I think Sam's got more to say about Northwestern Iowa.
Speaker 6 (11:52):
Yeah, please play finish the aughts and the two thousand
mid two thousands.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Any idea what today is?
Speaker 7 (12:01):
May fifteenth?
Speaker 1 (12:03):
No, I don't, Dan Byer, I do not one year
anniversary of me getting the head coaching job at Green Bay. Oh,
and we just signed a player this morning, and you
know he posted he signed it. So I'll tell you
I just signed a I kid you not a twenty
(12:24):
seven year old freshman who will be a twenty eight
year old sophomore next year. I can't make it up.
Can't make it up. Let me can. I I know
we want to get to don't call it a throwback
because but and no, he was not alive in the year. No. No,
but his name's Ramel Bathea. Okay. Ramel grew up in Maryland.
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He never played basketball growing up. He finished high school
six four, one hundred and thirty one hundred and thirty
five pounds. So he went out into the world and
was working. He was working at a grocery store, and
one of the things they could do at a grocery
store was because he was so tall and he kept growing.
(13:08):
He when he restocked shelves, he was like the top
shelf free stocker. And a couple of years in a
recruiter from the Navy came into the store, met him
and basically recruited him. Ultimately he joined the Navy. He
was in the Navy as a mechanic. He grew to six'.
Nine he didn't start playing basketball till twenty twenty. Two
(13:32):
like had never played a, tournament NO, aau no high, school, nothing,
nothing and became like this kind of like quasi celebrity
in The navy and one of the coaches in the
Intermural navy. Teams actually was an assistant coach at a
junior college In, California. Miramar of Course miramar is famous
for top. Gun so he goes and plays At Miramar Community.
(13:55):
College we've been recruiting him for months and today he.
Signed the last show letter in. Ten he's uh six,'
nine has a seven foot four. Inch wingspan he blocked
one hundred and thirty two shots. Last year just, for
perspective my team blocked sixty six shots as a team
or games. Last year so there's an obvious need there
(14:16):
more than anything like what a? COOL story i don't know?
Cool Story and i'm sure there's going to be that?
What's that what movie? Is that? From where It's like
i'm twelve right where he Has the the idea IS
that i can't remember what What What adam sandler movie?
That is, but YEAH so i did tell my coaches
(14:37):
we got to get better on defense and we got to,
get older and we did a. Both there, so anyway one,
year anniversary and, Uh yeah. I'LL do i gotta rip
off the podcast sometime to Day On, all ball for
all the for all the things in. The MEANTIME so
i appreciate, you guys sticking. With me hasn't been easy,
for you hasn't been easy. For me we've learned a
(14:59):
lot and we're b or because. Of it let's get
to something we call don't call it A. THROWBACK thursday
i don't call it A.
Speaker 7 (15:08):
Throwback thursday we got.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
The show we Were On Fox Sports radio okay On.
On Thursdays dan byer came up with. This concept it's
the idea of looking back at all the sports that
happened in. One year And Then jason, stewart's, LIKE yeah
i always want to be a morning ROCK.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Jock dj.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
So we now, do movies we, do music we do all,
the things if. You, Will, Generally iowa sam goes off
into a tangent about a sport that we. Hadn't considered
dan's always got us covered for, COLLEGE football nfl, and golf,
And Uh jay stu loves. THE music i love. The
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movies and we. Look back what year are we looking?
Back at jase dou, Thank.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
You doug i'll take it.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
FROM here i want the LISTENERS and i want everybody
on the show to think back to nineteen. Ninety three
what were you doing in nineteen Ninety three may nineteen,
Ninety three i'll tell You What michael jordan. Was Doing
michael jordan was Sweeping the calves and the conference semifinals
this week on his way to his THIRD straight. Nba
title and then, He's like i'm going to play baseball
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nineteen ninety Three And michael jordan retires for the, first
time step away among a lot of suspicion that's some
gambling had something to do with. His decision there was
something with his that later came up with his father that.
Was anuendo we won't get into, that TODAY but i
want to take us back to nineteen. Ninety Three the
bulls win, the championship they Beat. The Sons charles barkley
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WON the mvp. That year great year IN The Nba,
Memorable Year, dan byer what do you remember from nineteen?
Speaker 6 (16:54):
Ninety Three You're charles barkley And The. Phoenix suns they
made their TO The nba finals that year and Facing The.
Chicago bulls SO when i think of nineteen, NINETY three
i Think Of charles barkley And That phoenix suns now.
Speaker 7 (17:11):
Throwback uniform do.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
You think of An Old blue eyes the coach Of,
The Suns frank.
Speaker 8 (17:19):
Sinatra doesn't Was it Paul? West Fall But, paul Westfall
The Old blue eyes is what. They, called, okay yep,
all right the Late great Paul. West Fall.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Paul, westfall wow that's THE name i haven't heard in quite.
Some time what's The star wars, Drop, there sammy Oh.
Speaker 8 (17:42):
Ben, Kenobi, yes jason you have a bit, On this
why don't you?
Speaker 3 (17:47):
TAKE over i don't have a bit On. BEN kenobi.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
I have i tried to Paraphrase What family guy's rendition of.
It is Remember One family guy did Their Own. Star
wars but the joke, in, there well they made fun
of the, fact that, you know when it's revealed That,
ben kenobi you are my only hope And And, obi
wan you're my. Only hope And then luke, WAS like
(18:11):
i wonder if she's referring To. Ben kenoby so there
was this thing where they wanted to get rid of
All the jedis in the. Entire, universe Sure and. Obi
Won The great jedi didn't go as far as to
change his. Last name he just went to Ben ben
kenoby was just hiding on. Tattooin SOMEWHERE.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Uh. Nba draft, you know we've talked a lot about
Players Of caleb, williams today, you know not wanting to
go To the bears. Last year remember That Was. Chris
weber that Was A chris weber draft where he was
drafted number one Overall in orlando and then didn't want
to Go, to, sacramento right didn't want to Go to
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sacramento in the draft day trade And. Then sacramento by,
the way that draft He Had sean bradley Who shot bradley.
PASSED away i know he had that terror.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Hold, on second what are we talking? About here but
so the seventy six Ers drafted, Bradley, right.
Speaker 6 (19:11):
Yes the golden It was orlando That drafted, weber right
And then.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
State, right yeah they draft, a trade but he didn't
want to Go To Golden State.
Speaker 7 (19:20):
Golden, state yeah they didn't want to Gold To. Golden,
state wait he did Go To. Golden state he didn't
want to go to.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
See, later yeah sounds sounds like you sammed Up your
google sir so so, year one so he was drafted
by the matchick And Then david stern does the ultimate
delivery of a trade that says he's been Traded With,
penny hardaway Going From golden State.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
To, orlando Yes.
Speaker 6 (19:42):
To orlando weber spends the one Season At GOLDEN state
i think it was the, one season and then forces
a Trade to washington where he teams Up With. Juwan,
HOWARD yes.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
I forgot i. Completely forgot and then how do you
end Up. In sacramento then they Traded, him sacramento but
he didn't want.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
TO go i can't remember on on how. THAT happened
i butchered.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
That one let's. Move on clean that one and up?
And edit can you clean that one up?
Speaker 2 (20:05):
And?
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Edit?
Speaker 6 (20:06):
Sam sure there are SOMETIMES because I though doug knows
so much about Basketball that, i'm like maybe he's teaching
me SOMETHING that i.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Don't know, OH no i forgot, that one, that one.
THAT one, i yeah let's LET'S let's i was so
excited when you said nineteen ninety THREE and i, was
like that nineteen ninety three. Draft was it was such
a there were so many great players and then so
many misses.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
As well jason brought this up a couple of weeks
ago As The chris Webber timeout final Four In, New
Orleans north carolina wins it uh IN that I.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
HAD u I had michigan giving three and, a half
and Uh or michigan and three and.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
A half.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
THAT'S it I had michigan in three and. A half
i Was At caesar's Palace in Vegas and michigan was
down two when he called. The timeout so the free
Throws took michigan off OF the uh didn't come Thanks To.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Chris webber.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Do you remember the nineteen ninety, Three finals.
Speaker 7 (21:07):
Dan With the Sons? And, bulls, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
It was it was, really unique right Because the bulls
hopped out to a two games and, then, lead right
and they were up three games, to one came. Back
home it was supposed to be like a, coronation, game
right and then they lose a home To the sons
and ended up winning on the road On The john paxson, shot.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Again sol In. BLUE eyes i can't tell against?
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Wasn't that was THAT The nba finals where the first
One war jordan had lost his dad and he clutches
the basketball on the floor afterwards and. Is crying is
that THAT Same? NBA finals i.
Speaker 7 (21:47):
DON'T remember i might.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Have made that one. Up too THAT what. I thought i,
remember TOO but i might HAVE met.
Speaker 7 (21:53):
I thought it may have been, ninety SIX but i
COULD be i could. Be wrong you're.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
PROBABLY right i probably screwed.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
That way his father died in some, ninety three so
it hadn't happened yet by the time they had won.
Speaker 9 (22:03):
The.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Finals Okay toronto boujays were the baseball team the dominant
baseball team of.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
The time they were in the middle of winning.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Their second straight championship and their their offensive lineup was
Just like Hall of, famers galore.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Give, me that give me the give me the one.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Through nine off the top of. My, Head Uh, Ricky Henderson,
Paul Mulador, Lavon White, Joe Carter Kellen River manny Lee
Was demaso garcia the. SECOND baseman i don't know. About
That pat borders was. A catcher he WON the mvp
in the ninety. Three series and who was our? Left fielder,
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oh well.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Left fielder Was Was. Ricky henderson Centerfielder Was. Devon white
Former Former Angel joe carter was the. Right fielder there
it Is So, Pat borders John, Olrud Roberto, Tony Fernandez,
Ed Sprague, Ricky Henderson, Devon White, joe Carter And. Polly Molitor.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Tony, fernandez, YEAH yeah i don't think he was on.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
That team i'm looking at the nineteen Ninety Three blue.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
JAYS roster i thought was a. Short stop, oh well.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Mainly Was joe carter walk off yeps Off Of.
Speaker 7 (23:24):
Mitch, Williams Yeah, dave stewart what?
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Was uh dave sure was at thirty. Six one gooseman
was the was their, Best Pitcher.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
AL wider.
Speaker 6 (23:36):
I DON'T think i don't think that people realize How
much toronto was hated back then because they were. So
good they were back to. BACK champions i did Not
want toronto to win Against the braves or Against the
phillies at all Cheered.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Against toronto wasn't that the team that Famously Like ricky
henderson or was it later On That ricky henderson was
at first base later on and he, Was Like ricky
Henderson Saw john Olrud and john remember he had he
wore the he wore the batting helmet when he was
playing first base because he had had like a, brain,
Tumor right And so ricky, cames, like, HEY man i
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used to play with the guy that wore batty hillme
in at. First base john, was like that.
Speaker 7 (24:20):
Was me that was the, same guy the.
Speaker 6 (24:24):
Same guy oh how. About this it's the year that
changed football in your, now Backyard. Dou, gottlieb Yeah The
Green bay Packers Acquired reggie white via. Free agency it
changed everything for. The league it changed everything For the
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packers that made the playoffs.
Speaker 7 (24:46):
That year they won a.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
Playoff game but it started this maybe it, started Before
But reggie white was the. BIGGEST piece i think you
could argue maybe the most important free agents signing maybe
the history, of sports considering what he did and how
he changed. That organization but that was in nineteen ninety
three IN. The nfl cowboys went on to Win The
(25:10):
super bowl, that year, By Yeah.
Speaker 7 (25:12):
Green bay things were then Different With reggie white.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
In Town reggie, White, amazing jason what was the music
scene like?
Speaker 3 (25:22):
That year i'll tell.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
You What, tony fernandez just to, be clear he was
traded To the mets mid season mid season, ninety THREE
and i remember he did an interview and they were
asking him what kind of music he was, listening to
and this is what. He said was in his walkman at.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
The time.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
From the Hit movie BODYGUARD Is I Will Always love
You By whitney houston spent twenty two weeks Topping the
billboard charts in nineteen, Ninety Three whitney houston's first movie
Role With. Kevin cosser she uh also agreed to do.
THE soundtrack a lot of people don't, know this but
this was Originally A dully. Parton song.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
We got some movies there from that from That year
alive was? That year do you guys remember what a live? Was? About?
Speaker 3 (26:26):
No uh dead people on a plane?
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Or?
Speaker 3 (26:29):
People yeah that was.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
That was the, soccer Team the chilean soccer team that
crashed and then they end up cannibalizing. Each. Other Uh In,
decent proposal which is the absolute worst date movie of?
All time, hey babe would you trade a million dollars
for a night?
Speaker 2 (26:46):
With?
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Me right worst movie?
Speaker 6 (26:52):
ALL time i remember not knowing the outcome of, that
MOVIE and i still haven't. Seen it but now thinking
back and, being, OLDER like i guess it wouldn't be
a movie if she didn't sleep, with, them right because
didn't she ultimately?
Speaker 9 (27:07):
Do?
Speaker 3 (27:07):
It? Correct oh yeah. She, did yeah but that.
Speaker 7 (27:10):
Would be a crappy movie if, She's, like nope not gonna.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Do it ends after, fifteen minutes but what was his?
Speaker 7 (27:16):
Last HOUR and.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
I have, for OKAY but i want you to think
about how iconic the top four or five movies are.
That year, You, Ready okay we'll get to that in, a. Second,
Man okay sandlot was? Ninety three sandlot was? Ninety Three Days?
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Didn't confused was? Ninety Three tombstone I'm your hookerberry, Ninety
Three schindler's list, ninety three and that soundtrack, You Heard
jurassic park, Ninety three missus Doubtfire, The fugitive That's make bronx.
(28:00):
Tail Great carlito's way also a. Good One groundhog day
the heck of. A Movie groundhog day was the heck of.
A Movie groundhog day was heck of. A Movie, groundhog sorry?
Speaker 7 (28:14):
Got?
Speaker 3 (28:14):
It yep.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Good year. For movies what? About? Golf? Dan?
Speaker 6 (28:19):
Yeah Good Doug bernard longer won His, Second Masters lee
jansen won HIS First. Us open what may be the
most notable is what Happened With. Greg norman not only
did he Win The open championship, that year his second
major of, his career and he would win, no others
but he also became the first player to lose all
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four major championships in a playoff when he Lost To
paul asinger AT The.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Pga, championship awesome so good because he's literally the least
like person in. Golf now and then when he was
on The setate fox IN The us Open when, johnson
choked they never even asked him about choking AT The.
Us open who we know better? About CHOKING the. Us
open then the guy sitting right next, To you, joe,
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anyway beautiful, the shack, The shock.
Speaker 6 (29:12):
OH man i, was There and i'm, just, yeah yeah.
Just quickly if it goes to, A playoff i Don't
Play chambers bay the. Next day SO, when dj if
he makes, the putt, he Wins so, i'm like, make it,
make it.
Speaker 7 (29:23):
Make it and. He didn't then he's got this.
Speaker 6 (29:25):
Four footer, i'm, like crap we're gonna have A Playoff
dustin Johnson And. Jordan speath oh and then.
Speaker 9 (29:30):
He.
Speaker 6 (29:30):
Misses NO so i played it the next day and
the greens, were gravel at least some of.
Speaker 7 (29:35):
Them were. It was it was a rough.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Go anybody else. ANYTHING else, i mean there's so much
more we. Could do it's a. Great, year nineties. Crazy underrated,
sorry kids if you, missed it it was better. Than
now it's.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
The nineties don't call.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
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Speaker 1 (30:00):
No Gottlieb Show Fox. Sports radio yeah, SO uh I
just i can't imagine Running The chicago. Bears today And
look i'm sure they were giving a. Heads up But
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seg Wick or sham has a new book. Out right
remember he wrote a Book on Brady and belichick at
the end Of the patriots outstanding writer obviously WORKS for espn.
As well and this is an excerpt from a new
Book called biography Of. The, quarterback okay so it Says
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Quarterback caleb williams was so concerned about being picked By
The chicago bears in twenty, twenty four he and his
family weighed circumventing THE entire, nfl draft consulting with lawyers
trying to figure out a way around the leagu's collective
partner agreement while considering signing WITH. The ufl details from
a forthcoming Book, reveal chicago oh is the place that
quarterbacks go. To Die, Carl williams, caleb's Father Told, seth
(31:04):
wickersham Author Of american king's biography Of Quarterback, caleb williams wandered,
out LOUD do i want to? GO there i DON'T
think i can do It With. Shane waldron now there
is some Confirmation By shane waldron is no longer there
as their offense cornerer offensive staff. Has Gone ben Johnson's
in he's widely seen as an offensive savann and they've
surrounded him with a talented group of wide receivers and
(31:27):
tried to fix the. Offensive LINE but i can tell
you unequivocally that if you're critical of a, place before
you've ever worked out. Of place when you're working at
that place and it, gets out the die is sort
of cast, and, like look you can go around and around, and,
(31:50):
say hey it Was About, shane waldron but the dad Was,
like chicago it's where quarterbacks go. To. Die h you
could have said the same Thing. About detroit you could
have said the same thing about how many of these teams?
Were terrible how many years Did The kancity chiefs lose
in the losing the playoffs at home despite an Unbelievable,
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for like history is what it is until, it's, Changed
Right The Golden state warriors were bad for forty years
and then They Got steph Curry And clay thompson and
they're the. Best team they went seventy, three games and
then They Added. Kevin durant. They won, you know they
WON four nba. Titles together, You know cleveland hadn't won To.
Get lebron they almost win one he, goes away, comes
back they went, won again they. Win one, but man
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that's gotta be that's hard that that. It's AGAIN and
I think bears fans are hardcore football fans, probably, like yeah,
that's right, you know we've had. So many but it's
it's when you tried to circumvent, the rules when you
tried to do anything in your power to not Go
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to chicago and you're you're the quarterback Of The chicago
bears and you don't have a particularly good. First, year
whoo that is really hard to dig yourself. Out of that,
really hard. Oh man and it's also another case of
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it's LIKE the aau dad now becoming the. Pro Dad
Is carl williams of former offensive coordinator or a? Quarterback
coach or did he play IN? The nfl does he
know something about the? Inner, workings no he's just a
dad who loves. His kid but they think they. Know
everything and he says out loud to a guy writing, a,
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Book ah chicago is where.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
Quarterbacks go all this stuff you heard about.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Him trying to Pull Up eli manning was in. Fact true,
and again the only Reason That eli manning survived that
was one He's, a manning it's the chosen family of
COLLEGE of, nfl football, and two you want Two super
Bowls And john elway right didn't want To be annapolis
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colt ends up Being A, denver bronco gets a couple Of,
super bowls then Wins To super bowls late in. His, career,
otherwise like he's just the guy who talked ish On The.
Indianapolis colts but those quotes are damning even if. THEY'RE
true i sho never anybody ever, say, LIKE yeah i
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can't win there, ever ever because of. Two, things one
these quotes, last forever and, then two anything happened previously
has nothing to do with the. Current status and anybody
who thinks otherwise is an, absolute IDIOT because i can
prove it based upon everything we shown You In Sports
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Chicago white sox hadn't won a title In A world
series title in eighty. Eight years they. Won one we
Saw The red sox win one first time in eighty.
Six years they. Won one tell me anywhere where a
quarterback goes to die. Or whatever if he's a good,
enough quarterback he's a good. Enough quarterback and, oh yeah by,
the way you went out and got the absolute best,
offensive coordinator head coaching candidate in. The league everybody less
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Than Over. Ben johnson no one will argue. With that
so if you can't do, it now it's, on you Not.
On chicago and what happens is when things, go bad
then They. DOG pylon i don't want my son playing For,
the bears the dad said to several agents in. Twenty
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four the rookie cap is, just unconstitutional later adding TO
the cba is the worst Piece of i've. Ever read
it's worst in. SPORTS history i need to go To,
the vikings he told. His father let's. Do it, dad
replied But both Caleb and carl knew the trade to
a division rivals was. Extremely unlikely now look for for
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what's was understandable is they did. Nail That the vikings
have an outstanding head coach who's a former quarterback and
coordinator and. Gets it plus they have good skill. Position
talent plus playing indoors is easier than Playing In, soldier
field where the turf, is terrible the wind, is bad
the weather, is cold all of. Those things but you're
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being critical OF, the cba and again there's no historical
understanding or respect, To it like why why WAS the
cba so that rookies have a. Controlled, salary Well Because
sam bradford got fifty one million dollars before he'd ever played,
a snap and people, are like that's insane with the
hit rate. Of quarterbacks so you don't like what the
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What the you don't like the union and what the
union agreed to for seven. More years you don't Like,
the bears and you want to play For, the vikings
who are one of your biggest rivals. In division.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
It just keeps.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Getting Better Stug gottlieb show Here On Fox. Sports Radio
john mentalcoff's, our guest a good friend of, the show
good friend, of mine AND tremendous, nfl analyst part of
the Three and now he has his Own three now
podcast On the Volume. PODCAST network i Read The caleb
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Williams And carl williams quotes and have my. Own opinion
you've been in the league as, a scout you cover.
The league now everybody knows. Your podcast what's your reaction
when you Read What seth Wickersham quoted hey and his
father saying About? The bears and why.
Speaker 9 (37:54):
Have an overall take when it comes to athletes and.
FAMILY members i really just don't care what they say
or think because in spiritus, to them they're so close to,
the sun and we have a long history now of
seeing just egregious things get, said now like the overall
theme Of the bears are a place where quarterbacks go,
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TO die, i mean not an. Untrue statement but then
when you're making comments like the rookie scale, is Unconstitutional
like i'd argue it's the best thing that's ever happened IN,
the nfl or, the veterans the guys that actually play
in the games and then become good players actually get
that money in the, two thousands for those of us
that are old enough, TO remember i mean half the
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first round does not get now their fifty year option,
picked up meaning they are, a whiff meaning that team
is not going to. Extend them and those guys back
in the, two thousands especially if you're, drafted high we're
getting a ton. OF money a Guy Like caleb williams
would HAVE got i, don't know one hundred and twenty
million dollars guaranteed, or something and with like twenty four,
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for economics we would have, been like that's. A scam
i do. Appreciate it, You Know, ryan poles his comment
on like, we're drafting you deal with, it essentially but
it's hard to read, That, article like think. About this
we got one guy who dominated last year as, A Rookie,
jade daniels and his mom's involved making sure women don't ruin.
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His life and then you've got this guy who thinks
He's like Rosenhaus. MEETS goodell, I mean i just think
it's got to. Be exhausting, But listen i've heard of
stories going Back, to oklahoma like this guy's father is, heavily,
INVOLVED right, I mean i mean plays the role Of
like rosenhaus meets his, financial manager meets, His dad and
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that's just there's just a lot going. On there now
when it Comes, to caleb, YOU know i give him
a little bit of. A pass I mean i don't
think he played, very WELL but i Mean iber flus
is never going to be a head coach in the.
LEAGUE again i mean The walls aron comments of not
telling him what. To, watch, so uh there's just a
lot going. ON there i think the guy reading this
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smiling the Most Is. Adam peters.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
Why because You Got.
Speaker 9 (40:12):
JAKE daniels, i mean these are the type Articles, LIKE.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
NO i i that that that that's Kind of, i'm
sorry that's Kind of my thing is just, like this
this does a lot, of, Harm right you you have
to be so good to overcome this that you'd rather
play For the vikings and play For.
Speaker 9 (40:31):
The.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
BEARS that i.
Speaker 9 (40:33):
Also, think like this is the this is the. Big leagues,
AND yeah i don't think like HOW many nfl players
are sitting THERE reading espn. Dot com but the headline
is going to. Get aggravated this is going to go
around the league people like Oh the lingland who cares
what the gms and. THE coach i think the players
are going to, Be, like bro. Come down, you know
that's where it. Hurts you you lose respect of like
(40:54):
bro make. The place and that gets back to his
comments about the Unconstitutional rookie. Wade scale, it's like, you
know give me. A.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Break, crazy well that's also no history or understanding of
how the rookie quarterback contracts and how the rookie quarterback
rookie contracts were just weighing. Everybody down they were too
big considering the misrate. On them nobody, liked him and you.
Had holdouts now you don't have any, holdouts. REALLY right.
Speaker 9 (41:25):
I also think if you go Back To ryan poles in,
his situation. His job what everyone says on, the, outside
fans the college football hype machine, me whoever, mel kiper
that is. Completely irrelevant your only job is to get the.
Best PLAYER and, i remember like back in, the Day Like,
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pete carroll there would be guys like he just DECOMMITTED.
To usc now it Turned Out pete, carroll's, like yeah
we don't want you here even though you're the number two.
Overall group save into, this forever, you know on football
sometimes just think in sports. In, general obviously if There's
An andrew Lock at, cooper flag it's a. No brainer
but there were some people, BEING like i don't Know That,
jadan daniels, you know and it was Like the bears
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they didn't even bring it. Anyone else and then remember
on the, Flip Side, adam peters because he had the
second pick brought in the mole and he took him
the top golf so he. Got crushed that's his job
is to, figure out we're taking. A quarterback We like jaden,
the most but we better like seal them. All Out
the bears didn't do any. Of that they were just
it's almost like they bought into. The hype obviously he
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had a lot of tech physical abilities and he would
have been in the, you know in. Every discussion but
like they it's not like they felt like they even
canvassed the land of the. Other dudes even if you
just cut it off That like Jadon and drake may
like we're seriously going to evaluate the top three talents in.
This draft they're, just like we're all in on. This
guy and they were dealing with this, stuff clearly, you
(42:54):
know off, the field pretty early in.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
The process show Here On Fox. Sports, radio okay let's
get to some. OTHER stuff i don't make A bunch
i don't care that much about. Schedule stuff but there's
a lot of people that are Like Hole jets steelers
huh early in. The season, That, means hey that means
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that the league Knows That aaron rodgers is going to
Be A. Pittsburgh steeler on the, other hand it's like
a three to twenty, five game so it's buried and
all of that stuff was pre selected right like those
games were. We knew it's just a question of when
they fit in. Schedule wise can you make any Read
On aaron rodgers based Upon the. Steelers, schedule yeah my guess.
Speaker 9 (43:41):
Would be the NFL's not really paying that. Much ATTENTION
like i think, They're not like they moved on after.
Last year he, Plays great he's the least of. THEIR worries,
I mean i THINK the nfl has Shown The steph
curry lebron of the league is Now. The, chiefs right
they have entered the chat With, the cowboys who are.
Just autumn but you can't really depend On the cowboys.
(44:02):
Being Good So aaron rodgers And, the packers, you know
for fifteen years and even last year With, the jets
they got. THAT treatment i just don't think if he,
Played three if, he doesn't no one loses. ANY sleep
i actually Think, the Chief, the Bills, the ravens at
the end of, THE day i Think That, aaron rodgers,
you know in a, weird way is a little bit of. An, afterthought.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
Okay let me ask you About The. CINCINNATI bengals, I
look i don't know enough about the individual negotiations Of,
the bengals but when a, guy, says wow it's gotten,
Personal now i'm breaking, it, Off, like okay you're not gonna.
Sit out they can franchise tag you what do you
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think goes on there?
Speaker 9 (44:48):
WITH interesting i do think this situation is a. LITTLE complicated,
i mean if you turn on every former players like
you gotta, pay him, it's, like well what would what's
YOUR best gm in? The league how we this was
not a player. They drafted this is the player that they,
signed after, you know to a second contract coming from,
another team who then became a high level player who's
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under contract and who wants an. Enormous extension like let's use.
Two Examples, max crosby who's drafted into. That organization the owner.
Loves them he's the best player in the team by.
A mile they're not paying. Anybody Else And, miles GARRETT
who's i mean Besides Like jim brown gonna go down
one of the most talented players in the history of.
The franchise that's the type of contract. He's not he's
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playing like y'all just give me like two years forty
million dollars like the going rate for high end pass
rushers this and he's an. Older, PLAYER like i just
think it's a. Complicated situation they also it'd be. One thing, it's,
like Well, the bengals, you know they're kind of going
cheap that they're paying their quarterback huge money and they
paid two, wide receivers like they've kind of proven the guys,
they've drafted they've gone, all in and they're just a
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little leery. On THIS and i think. It's easy like,
YOU said i don't know what the tax exchange was
between him and, the coach. The situation, you know she
Didn't Help mike brown's daughter or some of her comments
didn't help. The situation there's a reason, like forever, you
know say what you Want about, belichick recently but forever
he didn't say anything because it's like whenever you, put
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this it just makes. It WORSE and i think it's
easy to pick on, the BEANGALS but i, do understand
like you just think we're gonna give you a hundred
million dollars guaranteed and we're gonna have you like thirty
four years old like, THAT that i do understand the.
Risks There.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
Doug gottlieb show Here On Fox. Sports Radio john middlecoff is.
Our guest you know what might.
Speaker 9 (46:36):
Be a, solution though just thinking, about it what, is,
like hey how about we make you hole? This year,
you know we, give you you know ten we get
you IN the i twenties, or whatever and then at
the end of, the year we allow you to like
hit the open market, or whatever and that gives. Us
flexibility that gives you flexibility like do something. Like that
you could probably like short term play it because it
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doesn't feel Like the bengals feel comfortable giving him a long.
Term contract, and, yeah YEAH but.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
I DON'T but i don't, think though why would you
let him on the market when you don't Have to.
Speaker 9 (47:06):
You can franchise and. Trade him, YOU'RE saying i.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
GUESS yeah i, MEAN again i maybe if you do
a two, year, deal right you know where you you you.
LOAD up, I mean i just think it's interesting the it's,
like again. Older, player yeah we'll, give you we'll give.
You money we're just not gonna give you a three
four years. Of money that that's that that Would be
that would, be crazy too crazy. TO do i don't
(47:32):
think YOU and i have spoken Since the, pickens trade
Since the. Pickens trade and then he goes kind of
scorched Earth on pittsburgh as. HE leaves i felt like
that was the classic Trade where pittsburgh chose Culture and dallas.
Chose talent is that a fair depiction of.
Speaker 9 (47:53):
What, happened YEAH and i also think you got. A
factory and You, know jerry he's trying to strike oil
or gold for, you know with one swing of the
hammer and get it on. The cheap and he did
This With trey lance when he Failed With. Kyle shanahan
they're trading for a wide receiver from a franchise who
has literally just. PUSHED out i don't know you count on,
(48:16):
you know five plus guys who were big. Tom Talons
Now antonio brown is an, elite player but some of
these other Guys from Claypool to Bryant And deontay johnson to.
This guy, it's Like if tomlin can't deal with this
guy at, that position it's Like With billy bean for,
like decade, you know like. Two decades every couple, of
years he'd have to trade all of. His guys he
(48:37):
wouldn't always ask for the number. One prospect he'd asked
you for like your. Fifth prospect you should probably keep
that guy because, he's like that guy's gonna be a.
Future star and if Like the cowboys or, excuse Me
the steelers want to trade a, WIDE receiver i would
be pretty HESITANT and i Just think jerry he gets
a lot of credit for being this wheeler, And dealer
like the stats on the actual cash spent. He spends
(49:00):
buy a couple guys spending a lot, of money, you
Know the Daks And. Ceedee Lambs obviously Field Pay, michael
parsons but for the most part he's not spending as
much cast a lot of the other owners because he
tries to get these deals and put that on a
first year head, coach that let's, face it most people
didn't invision being an aad coach who's also the offensive
coordinator slash. Offensive guy feels like a lot of Pressure
(49:20):
On brian Schottenheimer And, dak prescott, you know To Get george.
Speaker 1 (49:24):
Figgins right surely does middlicoffeere the. Best man love catching up.
With you let's do so. More often thanks for being
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to you from uh huh, just beautiful Green Bay, Wisconsin
and Sherman Oaks, California. It's kind of like Compton together,
Compton Lobbies together, right, Yeah, Yeah, that's exactly. Yeah, that's
the ticket. That's the ticket. Share Oh key boy. Caleb
(00:50):
Williams and his dad, well man, I don't know if
there's any coming back from what they have done other
than when a damn super Bowl. So we'll get to
that upcoming with Seth Wickersham's new article that's out and
regarding the new age of quarterbacks in the NFL. John
(01:11):
Middelkoff will join us today. Daniel Jerem Mile will join
us today. We've got a bunch to get to and
you know there are there are a lot of shows
in sports radio that are still covering the schedule release,
which was yesterday. You know, the classic schedule release show
is the Classic Mic and the Mad Dog. That's a win,
(01:32):
that's the Lewis, it's a wind dog, that's that's we
know this. We don't do that here. And part of
it is if we're just honest with ourselves, once you
get past even in the first week, like teams aren't
really formed. In the first couple of weeks, the games
are close, but as Chase Dowis point out, quality of
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play is not always high, especially how few teams actually
play their guys in the preseason. And then once you
get past those first couple of weeks, there's so many injuries.
You have no idea the level of competitiveness. For most games.
You can say you didn't think the Cowboys were gonna
be any good, but you didn't know that the Cowboys
would lose Dak Prescott last year, did you. The Saints
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start the year two and zero and then all of
a sudden, the roof falls in, Derek Carr gets hurt,
and they were just abysmal. And so for example, what
was that a was that a Christmas Eve game or
December twenty third game Green Bay, New Orleans. Right, it
was a It was a complete nothing burger in terms
of competitiveness in that game. Whereas you know, Minnesota, no
(02:41):
one thought would be that competitive or that good. They
end up playing Detroit for the division title last year.
And around and around and around me go, what the
world is searching for when the schedule comes out is
what we have? Was it tomorrow night? In New York?
I would challenge any buddy in sports to tell me
(03:05):
a better There are environments that can be as good.
Perfect example is my college basketball team. Next year. We're
going to open the season at Kansas. It's every seat
will be filled because of them, not because of us.
And it's as good an atmosphere as you will find
anywhere in sport. It's amazing, but it will have that
(03:31):
in New York plus meaning behind it, pressure behind it,
and a fan base that hasn't seen the Knicks. I
didn't know the stat until yesterday. Close out a series
at home since nineteen ninety nine, over a quarter century ago,
like that is nuts? So what would the And the
(03:56):
challenge is basically like, tell me a game that is
on anybody's schedule right now that you know is going
to be a better watch than that. Like Alabama, Auburn's
Iron Bowl is always good, but Auburn's been crummy past
couple years. Sometimes even when they're crummy, it's been really good.
I think it was that two or three years ago.
Sometimes it's not Texas and Texas, A and M play now,
(04:19):
that'll be great. Nothing you get like that. The renewal
of one of the great rivalries in Army Navy is
always really, really good, but the intensity and meaningfulness is
not always there. This one you got all those things.
Plus it's the Celtics, who not only have been the
defending NBA champions, but they've been more competitive more often
(04:43):
over the past fifty years than the Knicks have. People
in New York think they've invented basketball, think somehow they
have the cure to the basketball cancer disease, and yet
they haven't been able to win anything. It's in the Garden,
which there are other famous arenas. There are other but
when you sayorld's most famous arena, I don't know. It's
hard to challenge that as a hard to challenge that statement.
(05:10):
I'm not a New Yorker, I'm a son of a
New Yorker. I lived in Connecticut, but not in New York.
But even I know that's all of the schedule stuff
and all the talk about it. All you're really looking
for is what you have in Madison Square Garden Game six.
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And then, by the way, if you're the New York Knicks,
the entire reason that you went out and loaded up
your roster with Villanova Wildcats was this idea that hey,
end of the day, are they tall enough, are they
fast enough, do they jump high enough, do they shoot
well enough? It doesn't matter. They know how to win well.
You gotta know how to win, and you're playing against
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the team that is uh, that is that is depleted,
that is down their best score. And by the way,
if you're the Celtics, you gotta think if you win
this game, the pressure goes right back thrust onto the
Boston Celtics because you don't want to be up three
games to one. Jason tim goes down and you still
(06:13):
lose the series. Like I don't like to hyper focus
on games. We're not gonna do a game preview, or
we can do a game pre We're not gonna do
predictions whatever. But what I can tell you is that's
as good an atmosphere as you're gonna ever see anywhere
in sports, and it's one where you know, oftentimes some
(06:35):
tickets I will pay for, like I'll pay for really
good seats the thunder if the Nuggets win a night
Nuggets Thunder be Sunday afternoon in Oklahoma City, that one
I would pay for. I pay for, But it still
won't be Celtics and Nicks because you don't have the
seventy years of history between the two New York versus
(06:57):
Boston Madison Square Garden defending NBA champions against the team
that hasn't won a championship in what is it now,
almost fifty years, more than fifty years. Yeah, that's if
you said, like sports, like, what is sports that? What
is that? Just watch I'll explain watch Swatch. As a
(07:22):
Southern California guy, Jay Stuke, Can you get behind that?
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Yeah, no, I can, And I think, uh, I think
the people living today that live through that this time
would probably argue. I think that maybe the Roman Colisseum's
the most famous arena in the entire world.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Yeah, well, there's nobody the world's most famous. Will that
be the world's most famous stadium. I don't know, and
where would it Where would the Rose Bull stack out?
It should be America's like we do the world thing,
you know, it's like world famous, Oh there, world famous
chicken noodle soup, Like I don't remember which comedian did it,
but it's like you think, if you're walking in France
(08:01):
and go like, hey, what's the best chicken nooda super
in the world? That goes Dave's chicken noodle soup? Like no,
but I do think there's something really cool about New
York versus Boston, about Madison Square Garden, about the Knicks
playing a depleted Celtics team, but the Celtics team is
still probably being better than the Knicks. Like the whole thing.
(08:25):
It's like, what do you love about sports? It's cliche,
but it's like that that that that that's what I
That's what you shoot for, that's what you aim for.
Those are the games that you're willing to pay money for.
Those are the ones that you like to watch and
you get you get invested in.
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But for one night, the clouds have parted and.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
The Boston Celtics have shifted the pressure and set up
a scene unlike we have ever seen Friday Night at
Madison Square Garden.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Stug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. That from
the Celtics radio network. Buyer. You're from Wisconsin. You're a
Bucks fan, an Ohio State football fan, a huge golf fan.
So you have no affinity for Celtics or Nicks. They're
not your teams, not your circus, not your was it,
(09:53):
not your circus, not your your monkeys. Right, that's the
people say. But I don't know. It feels like for
me and you, being hardcore sports guys, that's one I
would pay money to go see.
Speaker 6 (10:07):
There is something unique about Madison Square Garden. I've only
been once and it was for a regular season game.
But as we had talked about I think maybe a
few weeks ago, in comparing a Lakers crowd against a
Knicks crowd in terms of celebrity wise, this isn't meant
to be a knock on any of the Lakers faithful
(10:29):
that are are very big fans in the upper deck.
It feels that the celebrities of the Knicks are Knicks
fans or they're New York based, where the celebrities of
the Lakers are just there to be seen that they're
at the Laker game because they're a celebrity, and I
feel that there is it may go overboard.
Speaker 7 (10:50):
I do feel that.
Speaker 6 (10:51):
That's there's some authenticity there where you do have Tracy
Morgan wearing his Knicks stuff. Obviously, Spike Lee, John McEnroe's there.
There's it's just a little bit more authentic than than
what we get out here on the West Coast with
Lakers games. And I've always felt that that was that
was pretty neat about seeing games at the Garden, specifically
(11:12):
playoff games.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
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What I put you, Doug gott Leap Show, Fox Sports Radio.
iHeartRadio app. Do you guys know what today is? Anybody
May fifteenth? The IDEs of May? Now, Jase, do you
want to take? Yes? What today is?
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Let's see May fifteen is. I don't. I don't know Sam. No,
I think I guess.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
I think Sam's got more to say about Northwestern Iowa.
Speaker 6 (11:52):
Yeah, please play finish the aughts and the two thousand
mid two thousands.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Any idea what today is?
Speaker 7 (12:01):
May fifteenth?
Speaker 1 (12:03):
No, I don't, Dan Byer, I do not one year
anniversary of me getting the head coaching job at Green Bay. Oh,
and we just signed a player this morning, and you
know he posted he signed it. So I'll tell you
I just signed a I kid you not a twenty
(12:24):
seven year old freshman who will be a twenty eight
year old sophomore next year. I can't make it up.
Can't make it up. Let me can. I I know
we want to get to don't call it a throwback
because but and no, he was not alive in the year. No. No,
but his name's Ramel Bathea. Okay. Ramel grew up in Maryland.
(12:47):
He never played basketball growing up. He finished high school
six four, one hundred and thirty one hundred and thirty
five pounds. So he went out into the world and
was working. He was working at a grocery store, and
one of the things they could do at a grocery
store was because he was so tall and he kept growing.
(13:08):
He when he restocked shelves, he was like the top
shelf free stocker. And a couple of years in a
recruiter from the Navy came into the store, met him
and basically recruited him. Ultimately he joined the Navy. He
was in the Navy as a mechanic. He grew to six'.
Nine he didn't start playing basketball till twenty twenty. Two
(13:32):
like had never played a, tournament NO, aau no high, school, nothing,
nothing and became like this kind of like quasi celebrity
in The navy and one of the coaches in the
Intermural navy. Teams actually was an assistant coach at a
junior college In, California. Miramar of Course miramar is famous
for top. Gun so he goes and plays At Miramar Community.
(13:55):
College we've been recruiting him for months and today he.
Signed the last show letter in. Ten he's uh six,'
nine has a seven foot four. Inch wingspan he blocked
one hundred and thirty two shots. Last year just, for
perspective my team blocked sixty six shots as a team
or games. Last year so there's an obvious need there
(14:16):
more than anything like what a? COOL story i don't know?
Cool Story and i'm sure there's going to be that?
What's that what movie? Is that? From where It's like
i'm twelve right where he Has the the idea IS
that i can't remember what What What adam sandler movie?
That is, but YEAH so i did tell my coaches
(14:37):
we got to get better on defense and we got to,
get older and we did a. Both there, so anyway one,
year anniversary and, Uh yeah. I'LL do i gotta rip
off the podcast sometime to Day On, all ball for
all the for all the things in. The MEANTIME so
i appreciate, you guys sticking. With me hasn't been easy,
for you hasn't been easy. For me we've learned a
(14:59):
lot and we're b or because. Of it let's get
to something we call don't call it A. THROWBACK thursday
i don't call it A.
Speaker 7 (15:08):
Throwback thursday we got.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
The show we Were On Fox Sports radio okay On.
On Thursdays dan byer came up with. This concept it's
the idea of looking back at all the sports that
happened in. One year And Then jason, stewart's, LIKE yeah
i always want to be a morning ROCK.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Jock dj.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
So we now, do movies we, do music we do all,
the things if. You, Will, Generally iowa sam goes off
into a tangent about a sport that we. Hadn't considered
dan's always got us covered for, COLLEGE football nfl, and golf,
And Uh jay stu loves. THE music i love. The
(15:54):
movies and we. Look back what year are we looking?
Back at jase dou, Thank.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
You doug i'll take it.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
FROM here i want the LISTENERS and i want everybody
on the show to think back to nineteen. Ninety three
what were you doing in nineteen Ninety three may nineteen,
Ninety three i'll tell You What michael jordan. Was Doing
michael jordan was Sweeping the calves and the conference semifinals
this week on his way to his THIRD straight. Nba
title and then, He's like i'm going to play baseball
(16:22):
nineteen ninety Three And michael jordan retires for the, first
time step away among a lot of suspicion that's some
gambling had something to do with. His decision there was
something with his that later came up with his father that.
Was anuendo we won't get into, that TODAY but i
want to take us back to nineteen. Ninety Three the
bulls win, the championship they Beat. The Sons charles barkley
(16:46):
WON the mvp. That year great year IN The Nba,
Memorable Year, dan byer what do you remember from nineteen?
Speaker 6 (16:54):
Ninety Three You're charles barkley And The. Phoenix suns they
made their TO The nba finals that year and Facing The.
Chicago bulls SO when i think of nineteen, NINETY three
i Think Of charles barkley And That phoenix suns now.
Speaker 7 (17:11):
Throwback uniform do.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
You think of An Old blue eyes the coach Of,
The Suns frank.
Speaker 8 (17:19):
Sinatra doesn't Was it Paul? West Fall But, paul Westfall
The Old blue eyes is what. They, called, okay yep,
all right the Late great Paul. West Fall.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Paul, westfall wow that's THE name i haven't heard in quite.
Some time what's The star wars, Drop, there sammy Oh.
Speaker 8 (17:42):
Ben, Kenobi, yes jason you have a bit, On this
why don't you?
Speaker 3 (17:47):
TAKE over i don't have a bit On. BEN kenobi.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
I have i tried to Paraphrase What family guy's rendition of.
It is Remember One family guy did Their Own. Star
wars but the joke, in, there well they made fun
of the, fact that, you know when it's revealed That,
ben kenobi you are my only hope And And, obi
wan you're my. Only hope And then luke, WAS like
(18:11):
i wonder if she's referring To. Ben kenoby so there
was this thing where they wanted to get rid of
All the jedis in the. Entire, universe Sure and. Obi
Won The great jedi didn't go as far as to
change his. Last name he just went to Ben ben
kenoby was just hiding on. Tattooin SOMEWHERE.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Uh. Nba draft, you know we've talked a lot about
Players Of caleb, williams today, you know not wanting to
go To the bears. Last year remember That Was. Chris
weber that Was A chris weber draft where he was
drafted number one Overall in orlando and then didn't want
to Go, to, sacramento right didn't want to Go to
(18:53):
sacramento in the draft day trade And. Then sacramento by,
the way that draft He Had sean bradley Who shot bradley.
PASSED away i know he had that terror.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Hold, on second what are we talking? About here but
so the seventy six Ers drafted, Bradley, right.
Speaker 6 (19:11):
Yes the golden It was orlando That drafted, weber right
And then.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
State, right yeah they draft, a trade but he didn't
want to Go To Golden State.
Speaker 7 (19:20):
Golden, state yeah they didn't want to Gold To. Golden,
state wait he did Go To. Golden state he didn't
want to go to.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
See, later yeah sounds sounds like you sammed Up your
google sir so so, year one so he was drafted
by the matchick And Then david stern does the ultimate
delivery of a trade that says he's been Traded With,
penny hardaway Going From golden State.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
To, orlando Yes.
Speaker 6 (19:42):
To orlando weber spends the one Season At GOLDEN state
i think it was the, one season and then forces
a Trade to washington where he teams Up With. Juwan,
HOWARD yes.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
I forgot i. Completely forgot and then how do you
end Up. In sacramento then they Traded, him sacramento but
he didn't want.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
TO go i can't remember on on how. THAT happened
i butchered.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
That one let's. Move on clean that one and up?
And edit can you clean that one up?
Speaker 2 (20:05):
And?
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Edit?
Speaker 6 (20:06):
Sam sure there are SOMETIMES because I though doug knows
so much about Basketball that, i'm like maybe he's teaching
me SOMETHING that i.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Don't know, OH no i forgot, that one, that one.
THAT one, i yeah let's LET'S let's i was so
excited when you said nineteen ninety THREE and i, was
like that nineteen ninety three. Draft was it was such
a there were so many great players and then so
many misses.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
As well jason brought this up a couple of weeks
ago As The chris Webber timeout final Four In, New
Orleans north carolina wins it uh IN that I.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
HAD u I had michigan giving three and, a half
and Uh or michigan and three and.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
A half.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
THAT'S it I had michigan in three and. A half
i Was At caesar's Palace in Vegas and michigan was
down two when he called. The timeout so the free
Throws took michigan off OF the uh didn't come Thanks To.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Chris webber.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Do you remember the nineteen ninety, Three finals.
Speaker 7 (21:07):
Dan With the Sons? And, bulls, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
It was it was, really unique right Because the bulls
hopped out to a two games and, then, lead right
and they were up three games, to one came. Back
home it was supposed to be like a, coronation, game
right and then they lose a home To the sons
and ended up winning on the road On The john paxson, shot.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Again sol In. BLUE eyes i can't tell against?
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Wasn't that was THAT The nba finals where the first
One war jordan had lost his dad and he clutches
the basketball on the floor afterwards and. Is crying is
that THAT Same? NBA finals i.
Speaker 7 (21:47):
DON'T remember i might.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Have made that one. Up too THAT what. I thought i,
remember TOO but i might HAVE met.
Speaker 7 (21:53):
I thought it may have been, ninety SIX but i
COULD be i could. Be wrong you're.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
PROBABLY right i probably screwed.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
That way his father died in some, ninety three so
it hadn't happened yet by the time they had won.
Speaker 9 (22:03):
The.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Finals Okay toronto boujays were the baseball team the dominant
baseball team of.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
The time they were in the middle of winning.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Their second straight championship and their their offensive lineup was
Just like Hall of, famers galore.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Give, me that give me the give me the one.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Through nine off the top of. My, Head Uh, Ricky Henderson,
Paul Mulador, Lavon White, Joe Carter Kellen River manny Lee
Was demaso garcia the. SECOND baseman i don't know. About
That pat borders was. A catcher he WON the mvp
in the ninety. Three series and who was our? Left fielder,
(22:45):
oh well.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Left fielder Was Was. Ricky henderson Centerfielder Was. Devon white
Former Former Angel joe carter was the. Right fielder there
it Is So, Pat borders John, Olrud Roberto, Tony Fernandez,
Ed Sprague, Ricky Henderson, Devon White, joe Carter And. Polly Molitor.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Tony, fernandez, YEAH yeah i don't think he was on.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
That team i'm looking at the nineteen Ninety Three blue.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
JAYS roster i thought was a. Short stop, oh well.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Mainly Was joe carter walk off yeps Off Of.
Speaker 7 (23:24):
Mitch, Williams Yeah, dave stewart what?
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Was uh dave sure was at thirty. Six one gooseman
was the was their, Best Pitcher.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
AL wider.
Speaker 6 (23:36):
I DON'T think i don't think that people realize How
much toronto was hated back then because they were. So
good they were back to. BACK champions i did Not
want toronto to win Against the braves or Against the
phillies at all Cheered.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Against toronto wasn't that the team that Famously Like ricky
henderson or was it later On That ricky henderson was
at first base later on and he, Was Like ricky
Henderson Saw john Olrud and john remember he had he
wore the he wore the batting helmet when he was
playing first base because he had had like a, brain,
Tumor right And so ricky, cames, like, HEY man i
(24:16):
used to play with the guy that wore batty hillme
in at. First base john, was like that.
Speaker 7 (24:20):
Was me that was the, same guy the.
Speaker 6 (24:24):
Same guy oh how. About this it's the year that
changed football in your, now Backyard. Dou, gottlieb Yeah The
Green bay Packers Acquired reggie white via. Free agency it
changed everything for. The league it changed everything For the
(24:45):
packers that made the playoffs.
Speaker 7 (24:46):
That year they won a.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
Playoff game but it started this maybe it, started Before
But reggie white was the. BIGGEST piece i think you
could argue maybe the most important free agents signing maybe
the history, of sports considering what he did and how
he changed. That organization but that was in nineteen ninety
three IN. The nfl cowboys went on to Win The
(25:10):
super bowl, that year, By Yeah.
Speaker 7 (25:12):
Green bay things were then Different With reggie white.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
In Town reggie, White, amazing jason what was the music
scene like?
Speaker 3 (25:22):
That year i'll tell.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
You What, tony fernandez just to, be clear he was
traded To the mets mid season mid season, ninety THREE
and i remember he did an interview and they were
asking him what kind of music he was, listening to
and this is what. He said was in his walkman at.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
The time.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
From the Hit movie BODYGUARD Is I Will Always love
You By whitney houston spent twenty two weeks Topping the
billboard charts in nineteen, Ninety Three whitney houston's first movie
Role With. Kevin cosser she uh also agreed to do.
THE soundtrack a lot of people don't, know this but
this was Originally A dully. Parton song.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
We got some movies there from that from That year
alive was? That year do you guys remember what a live? Was? About?
Speaker 3 (26:26):
No uh dead people on a plane?
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Or?
Speaker 3 (26:29):
People yeah that was.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
That was the, soccer Team the chilean soccer team that
crashed and then they end up cannibalizing. Each. Other Uh In,
decent proposal which is the absolute worst date movie of?
All time, hey babe would you trade a million dollars
for a night?
Speaker 2 (26:46):
With?
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Me right worst movie?
Speaker 6 (26:52):
ALL time i remember not knowing the outcome of, that
MOVIE and i still haven't. Seen it but now thinking
back and, being, OLDER like i guess it wouldn't be
a movie if she didn't sleep, with, them right because
didn't she ultimately?
Speaker 9 (27:07):
Do?
Speaker 3 (27:07):
It? Correct oh yeah. She, did yeah but that.
Speaker 7 (27:10):
Would be a crappy movie if, She's, like nope not gonna.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Do it ends after, fifteen minutes but what was his?
Speaker 7 (27:16):
Last HOUR and.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
I have, for OKAY but i want you to think
about how iconic the top four or five movies are.
That year, You, Ready okay we'll get to that in, a. Second,
Man okay sandlot was? Ninety three sandlot was? Ninety Three Days?
(27:37):
Didn't confused was? Ninety Three tombstone I'm your hookerberry, Ninety
Three schindler's list, ninety three and that soundtrack, You Heard
jurassic park, Ninety three missus Doubtfire, The fugitive That's make bronx.
(28:00):
Tail Great carlito's way also a. Good One groundhog day
the heck of. A Movie groundhog day was the heck of.
A Movie groundhog day was heck of. A Movie, groundhog sorry?
Speaker 7 (28:14):
Got?
Speaker 3 (28:14):
It yep.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Good year. For movies what? About? Golf? Dan?
Speaker 6 (28:19):
Yeah Good Doug bernard longer won His, Second Masters lee
jansen won HIS First. Us open what may be the
most notable is what Happened With. Greg norman not only
did he Win The open championship, that year his second
major of, his career and he would win, no others
but he also became the first player to lose all
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four major championships in a playoff when he Lost To
paul asinger AT The.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Pga, championship awesome so good because he's literally the least
like person in. Golf now and then when he was
on The setate fox IN The us Open when, johnson
choked they never even asked him about choking AT The.
Us open who we know better? About CHOKING the. Us
open then the guy sitting right next, To you, joe,
(29:06):
anyway beautiful, the shack, The shock.
Speaker 6 (29:12):
OH man i, was There and i'm, just, yeah yeah.
Just quickly if it goes to, A playoff i Don't
Play chambers bay the. Next day SO, when dj if
he makes, the putt, he Wins so, i'm like, make it,
make it.
Speaker 7 (29:23):
Make it and. He didn't then he's got this.
Speaker 6 (29:25):
Four footer, i'm, like crap we're gonna have A Playoff
dustin Johnson And. Jordan speath oh and then.
Speaker 9 (29:30):
He.
Speaker 6 (29:30):
Misses NO so i played it the next day and
the greens, were gravel at least some of.
Speaker 7 (29:35):
Them were. It was it was a rough.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Go anybody else. ANYTHING else, i mean there's so much
more we. Could do it's a. Great, year nineties. Crazy underrated,
sorry kids if you, missed it it was better. Than
now it's.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
The nineties don't call.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
It Throwback Fox sports radio has the best sports talk
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Speaker 1 (30:00):
No Gottlieb Show Fox. Sports radio yeah, SO uh I
just i can't imagine Running The chicago. Bears today And
look i'm sure they were giving a. Heads up But
(30:20):
seg Wick or sham has a new book. Out right
remember he wrote a Book on Brady and belichick at
the end Of the patriots outstanding writer obviously WORKS for espn.
As well and this is an excerpt from a new
Book called biography Of. The, quarterback okay so it Says
(30:41):
Quarterback caleb williams was so concerned about being picked By
The chicago bears in twenty, twenty four he and his
family weighed circumventing THE entire, nfl draft consulting with lawyers
trying to figure out a way around the leagu's collective
partner agreement while considering signing WITH. The ufl details from
a forthcoming Book, reveal chicago oh is the place that
quarterbacks go. To Die, Carl williams, caleb's Father Told, seth
(31:04):
wickersham Author Of american king's biography Of Quarterback, caleb williams wandered,
out LOUD do i want to? GO there i DON'T
think i can do It With. Shane waldron now there
is some Confirmation By shane waldron is no longer there
as their offense cornerer offensive staff. Has Gone ben Johnson's
in he's widely seen as an offensive savann and they've
surrounded him with a talented group of wide receivers and
(31:27):
tried to fix the. Offensive LINE but i can tell
you unequivocally that if you're critical of a, place before
you've ever worked out. Of place when you're working at
that place and it, gets out the die is sort
of cast, and, like look you can go around and around, and,
(31:50):
say hey it Was About, shane waldron but the dad Was,
like chicago it's where quarterbacks go. To. Die h you
could have said the same Thing. About detroit you could
have said the same thing about how many of these teams?
Were terrible how many years Did The kancity chiefs lose
in the losing the playoffs at home despite an Unbelievable,
(32:11):
for like history is what it is until, it's, Changed
Right The Golden state warriors were bad for forty years
and then They Got steph Curry And clay thompson and
they're the. Best team they went seventy, three games and
then They Added. Kevin durant. They won, you know they
WON four nba. Titles together, You know cleveland hadn't won To.
Get lebron they almost win one he, goes away, comes
back they went, won again they. Win one, but man
(32:38):
that's gotta be that's hard that that. It's AGAIN and
I think bears fans are hardcore football fans, probably, like yeah,
that's right, you know we've had. So many but it's
it's when you tried to circumvent, the rules when you
tried to do anything in your power to not Go
(32:59):
to chicago and you're you're the quarterback Of The chicago
bears and you don't have a particularly good. First, year
whoo that is really hard to dig yourself. Out of that,
really hard. Oh man and it's also another case of
(33:25):
it's LIKE the aau dad now becoming the. Pro Dad
Is carl williams of former offensive coordinator or a? Quarterback
coach or did he play IN? The nfl does he
know something about the? Inner, workings no he's just a
dad who loves. His kid but they think they. Know
everything and he says out loud to a guy writing, a,
(33:49):
Book ah chicago is where.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
Quarterbacks go all this stuff you heard about.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Him trying to Pull Up eli manning was in. Fact true,
and again the only Reason That eli manning survived that
was one He's, a manning it's the chosen family of
COLLEGE of, nfl football, and two you want Two super
Bowls And john elway right didn't want To be annapolis
(34:17):
colt ends up Being A, denver bronco gets a couple Of,
super bowls then Wins To super bowls late in. His, career,
otherwise like he's just the guy who talked ish On The.
Indianapolis colts but those quotes are damning even if. THEY'RE
true i sho never anybody ever, say, LIKE yeah i
(34:39):
can't win there, ever ever because of. Two, things one
these quotes, last forever and, then two anything happened previously
has nothing to do with the. Current status and anybody
who thinks otherwise is an, absolute IDIOT because i can
prove it based upon everything we shown You In Sports
(35:00):
Chicago white sox hadn't won a title In A world
series title in eighty. Eight years they. Won one we
Saw The red sox win one first time in eighty.
Six years they. Won one tell me anywhere where a
quarterback goes to die. Or whatever if he's a good,
enough quarterback he's a good. Enough quarterback and, oh yeah by,
the way you went out and got the absolute best,
offensive coordinator head coaching candidate in. The league everybody less
(35:22):
Than Over. Ben johnson no one will argue. With that
so if you can't do, it now it's, on you Not.
On chicago and what happens is when things, go bad
then They. DOG pylon i don't want my son playing For,
the bears the dad said to several agents in. Twenty
(35:43):
four the rookie cap is, just unconstitutional later adding TO
the cba is the worst Piece of i've. Ever read
it's worst in. SPORTS history i need to go To,
the vikings he told. His father let's. Do it, dad
replied But both Caleb and carl knew the trade to
a division rivals was. Extremely unlikely now look for for
(36:07):
what's was understandable is they did. Nail That the vikings
have an outstanding head coach who's a former quarterback and
coordinator and. Gets it plus they have good skill. Position
talent plus playing indoors is easier than Playing In, soldier
field where the turf, is terrible the wind, is bad
the weather, is cold all of. Those things but you're
(36:31):
being critical OF, the cba and again there's no historical
understanding or respect, To it like why why WAS the
cba so that rookies have a. Controlled, salary Well Because
sam bradford got fifty one million dollars before he'd ever played,
a snap and people, are like that's insane with the
hit rate. Of quarterbacks so you don't like what the
(36:59):
What the you don't like the union and what the
union agreed to for seven. More years you don't Like,
the bears and you want to play For, the vikings
who are one of your biggest rivals. In division.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
It just keeps.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Getting Better Stug gottlieb show Here On Fox. Sports Radio
john mentalcoff's, our guest a good friend of, the show
good friend, of mine AND tremendous, nfl analyst part of
the Three and now he has his Own three now
podcast On the Volume. PODCAST network i Read The caleb
(37:37):
Williams And carl williams quotes and have my. Own opinion
you've been in the league as, a scout you cover.
The league now everybody knows. Your podcast what's your reaction
when you Read What seth Wickersham quoted hey and his
father saying About? The bears and why.
Speaker 9 (37:54):
Have an overall take when it comes to athletes and.
FAMILY members i really just don't care what they say
or think because in spiritus, to them they're so close to,
the sun and we have a long history now of
seeing just egregious things get, said now like the overall
theme Of the bears are a place where quarterbacks go,
(38:16):
TO die, i mean not an. Untrue statement but then
when you're making comments like the rookie scale, is Unconstitutional
like i'd argue it's the best thing that's ever happened IN,
the nfl or, the veterans the guys that actually play
in the games and then become good players actually get
that money in the, two thousands for those of us
that are old enough, TO remember i mean half the
(38:39):
first round does not get now their fifty year option,
picked up meaning they are, a whiff meaning that team
is not going to. Extend them and those guys back
in the, two thousands especially if you're, drafted high we're
getting a ton. OF money a Guy Like caleb williams
would HAVE got i, don't know one hundred and twenty
million dollars guaranteed, or something and with like twenty four,
(39:00):
for economics we would have, been like that's. A scam
i do. Appreciate it, You Know, ryan poles his comment
on like, we're drafting you deal with, it essentially but
it's hard to read, That, article like think. About this
we got one guy who dominated last year as, A Rookie,
jade daniels and his mom's involved making sure women don't ruin.
(39:21):
His life and then you've got this guy who thinks
He's like Rosenhaus. MEETS goodell, I mean i just think
it's got to. Be exhausting, But listen i've heard of
stories going Back, to oklahoma like this guy's father is, heavily,
INVOLVED right, I mean i mean plays the role Of
like rosenhaus meets his, financial manager meets, His dad and
(39:44):
that's just there's just a lot going. On there now
when it Comes, to caleb, YOU know i give him
a little bit of. A pass I mean i don't
think he played, very WELL but i Mean iber flus
is never going to be a head coach in the.
LEAGUE again i mean The walls aron comments of not
telling him what. To, watch, so uh there's just a
lot going. ON there i think the guy reading this
(40:05):
smiling the Most Is. Adam peters.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
Why because You Got.
Speaker 9 (40:12):
JAKE daniels, i mean these are the type Articles, LIKE.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
NO i i that that that that's Kind of, i'm
sorry that's Kind of my thing is just, like this
this does a lot, of, Harm right you you have
to be so good to overcome this that you'd rather
play For the vikings and play For.
Speaker 9 (40:31):
The.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
BEARS that i.
Speaker 9 (40:33):
Also, think like this is the this is the. Big leagues,
AND yeah i don't think like HOW many nfl players
are sitting THERE reading espn. Dot com but the headline
is going to. Get aggravated this is going to go
around the league people like Oh the lingland who cares
what the gms and. THE coach i think the players
are going to, Be, like bro. Come down, you know
that's where it. Hurts you you lose respect of like
(40:54):
bro make. The place and that gets back to his
comments about the Unconstitutional rookie. Wade scale, it's like, you
know give me. A.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Break, crazy well that's also no history or understanding of
how the rookie quarterback contracts and how the rookie quarterback
rookie contracts were just weighing. Everybody down they were too
big considering the misrate. On them nobody, liked him and you.
Had holdouts now you don't have any, holdouts. REALLY right.
Speaker 9 (41:25):
I also think if you go Back To ryan poles in,
his situation. His job what everyone says on, the, outside
fans the college football hype machine, me whoever, mel kiper
that is. Completely irrelevant your only job is to get the.
Best PLAYER and, i remember like back in, the Day Like,
(41:48):
pete carroll there would be guys like he just DECOMMITTED.
To usc now it Turned Out pete, carroll's, like yeah
we don't want you here even though you're the number two.
Overall group save into, this forever, you know on football
sometimes just think in sports. In, general obviously if There's
An andrew Lock at, cooper flag it's a. No brainer
but there were some people, BEING like i don't Know That,
jadan daniels, you know and it was Like the bears
(42:11):
they didn't even bring it. Anyone else and then remember
on the, Flip Side, adam peters because he had the
second pick brought in the mole and he took him
the top golf so he. Got crushed that's his job
is to, figure out we're taking. A quarterback We like jaden,
the most but we better like seal them. All Out
the bears didn't do any. Of that they were just
it's almost like they bought into. The hype obviously he
(42:32):
had a lot of tech physical abilities and he would
have been in the, you know in. Every discussion but
like they it's not like they felt like they even
canvassed the land of the. Other dudes even if you
just cut it off That like Jadon and drake may
like we're seriously going to evaluate the top three talents in.
This draft they're, just like we're all in on. This
guy and they were dealing with this, stuff clearly, you
(42:54):
know off, the field pretty early in.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
The process show Here On Fox. Sports, radio okay let's
get to some. OTHER stuff i don't make A bunch
i don't care that much about. Schedule stuff but there's
a lot of people that are Like Hole jets steelers
huh early in. The season, That, means hey that means
(43:19):
that the league Knows That aaron rodgers is going to
Be A. Pittsburgh steeler on the, other hand it's like
a three to twenty, five game so it's buried and
all of that stuff was pre selected right like those
games were. We knew it's just a question of when
they fit in. Schedule wise can you make any Read
On aaron rodgers based Upon the. Steelers, schedule yeah my guess.
Speaker 9 (43:41):
Would be the NFL's not really paying that. Much ATTENTION
like i think, They're not like they moved on after.
Last year he, Plays great he's the least of. THEIR worries,
I mean i THINK the nfl has Shown The steph
curry lebron of the league is Now. The, chiefs right
they have entered the chat With, the cowboys who are.
Just autumn but you can't really depend On the cowboys.
(44:02):
Being Good So aaron rodgers And, the packers, you know
for fifteen years and even last year With, the jets
they got. THAT treatment i just don't think if he,
Played three if, he doesn't no one loses. ANY sleep
i actually Think, the Chief, the Bills, the ravens at
the end of, THE day i Think That, aaron rodgers,
you know in a, weird way is a little bit of. An, afterthought.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
Okay let me ask you About The. CINCINNATI bengals, I
look i don't know enough about the individual negotiations Of,
the bengals but when a, guy, says wow it's gotten,
Personal now i'm breaking, it, Off, like okay you're not gonna.
Sit out they can franchise tag you what do you
(44:47):
think goes on there?
Speaker 9 (44:48):
WITH interesting i do think this situation is a. LITTLE complicated,
i mean if you turn on every former players like
you gotta, pay him, it's, like well what would what's
YOUR best gm in? The league how we this was
not a player. They drafted this is the player that they,
signed after, you know to a second contract coming from,
another team who then became a high level player who's
(45:10):
under contract and who wants an. Enormous extension like let's use.
Two Examples, max crosby who's drafted into. That organization the owner.
Loves them he's the best player in the team by.
A mile they're not paying. Anybody Else And, miles GARRETT
who's i mean Besides Like jim brown gonna go down
one of the most talented players in the history of.
The franchise that's the type of contract. He's not he's
(45:31):
playing like y'all just give me like two years forty
million dollars like the going rate for high end pass
rushers this and he's an. Older, PLAYER like i just
think it's a. Complicated situation they also it'd be. One thing, it's,
like Well, the bengals, you know they're kind of going
cheap that they're paying their quarterback huge money and they
paid two, wide receivers like they've kind of proven the guys,
they've drafted they've gone, all in and they're just a
(45:52):
little leery. On THIS and i think. It's easy like,
YOU said i don't know what the tax exchange was
between him and, the coach. The situation, you know she
Didn't Help mike brown's daughter or some of her comments
didn't help. The situation there's a reason, like forever, you
know say what you Want about, belichick recently but forever
he didn't say anything because it's like whenever you, put
(46:13):
this it just makes. It WORSE and i think it's
easy to pick on, the BEANGALS but i, do understand
like you just think we're gonna give you a hundred
million dollars guaranteed and we're gonna have you like thirty
four years old like, THAT that i do understand the.
Risks There.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
Doug gottlieb show Here On Fox. Sports Radio john middlecoff is.
Our guest you know what might.
Speaker 9 (46:36):
Be a, solution though just thinking, about it what, is,
like hey how about we make you hole? This year,
you know we, give you you know ten we get
you IN the i twenties, or whatever and then at
the end of, the year we allow you to like
hit the open market, or whatever and that gives. Us
flexibility that gives you flexibility like do something. Like that
you could probably like short term play it because it
(46:57):
doesn't feel Like the bengals feel comfortable giving him a long.
Term contract, and, yeah YEAH but.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
I DON'T but i don't, think though why would you
let him on the market when you don't Have to.
Speaker 9 (47:06):
You can franchise and. Trade him, YOU'RE saying i.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
GUESS yeah i, MEAN again i maybe if you do
a two, year, deal right you know where you you you.
LOAD up, I mean i just think it's interesting the it's,
like again. Older, player yeah we'll, give you we'll give.
You money we're just not gonna give you a three
four years. Of money that that's that that Would be
that would, be crazy too crazy. TO do i don't
(47:32):
think YOU and i have spoken Since the, pickens trade
Since the. Pickens trade and then he goes kind of
scorched Earth on pittsburgh as. HE leaves i felt like
that was the classic Trade where pittsburgh chose Culture and dallas.
Chose talent is that a fair depiction of.
Speaker 9 (47:53):
What, happened YEAH and i also think you got. A
factory and You, know jerry he's trying to strike oil
or gold for, you know with one swing of the
hammer and get it on. The cheap and he did
This With trey lance when he Failed With. Kyle shanahan
they're trading for a wide receiver from a franchise who
has literally just. PUSHED out i don't know you count on,
(48:16):
you know five plus guys who were big. Tom Talons
Now antonio brown is an, elite player but some of
these other Guys from Claypool to Bryant And deontay johnson to.
This guy, it's Like if tomlin can't deal with this
guy at, that position it's Like With billy bean for,
like decade, you know like. Two decades every couple, of
years he'd have to trade all of. His guys he
(48:37):
wouldn't always ask for the number. One prospect he'd asked
you for like your. Fifth prospect you should probably keep
that guy because, he's like that guy's gonna be a.
Future star and if Like the cowboys or, excuse Me
the steelers want to trade a, WIDE receiver i would
be pretty HESITANT and i Just think jerry he gets
a lot of credit for being this wheeler, And dealer
like the stats on the actual cash spent. He spends
(49:00):
buy a couple guys spending a lot, of money, you
Know the Daks And. Ceedee Lambs obviously Field Pay, michael
parsons but for the most part he's not spending as
much cast a lot of the other owners because he
tries to get these deals and put that on a
first year head, coach that let's, face it most people
didn't invision being an aad coach who's also the offensive
coordinator slash. Offensive guy feels like a lot of Pressure
(49:20):
On brian Schottenheimer And, dak prescott, you know To Get george.
Speaker 1 (49:24):
Figgins right surely does middlicoffeere the. Best man love catching up.
With you let's do so. More often thanks for being
our Guest On Fox. Sports radio anybody
Host
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