May 16, 2025 • 39 mins
On a Friday edition of the Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug explains why the pressure Oklahoma City will feel in game seven will not be any greater than the pressure they felt in their game six loss to the Nuggets.
Doug explains why the Bears are in PR mode as they book about their quarterback's apprehension to joins the team surfaces.
Doug shares the most annoying social media post trend right now. Doug welcomes former Bucs GM Mark Dominik onto the show to talk about Caleb Williams, the Steelers and all of the NFL headlines this week.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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(00:26):
for a huge weekend to game Game six tonight, a
Game seven on Sunday, maybe a second Game seven on Sunday. Man,
don't you just don't you just love love love talking
about following sports? Jay Stew's around my man profet on
(00:49):
the ones and twos. We got our guy, Dan Byer
should be really good. Oh excuse it's a glowing crin.
You know. Mark Domin's gonna join us a little bit
later on the hour. I was watching last night, and
here's how into the game I was last night. Jace, Dude,
(01:12):
there was a tornado warning not watch tornado warning near
my house, and I'm watching, I'm watching the Nuggets, and
I'm watching Jalen Williams really struggle and the game's going on,
and I'm into it. Thunder Lightning when Thunderstorm was like, man,
(01:37):
this is great. You know, I just love this watch
this game. Thunderstorm Outside was like something out of a movie.
Game gets over. Buddy of mine calls is like, hey, man,
that was crazy. I was like, yeah, I you know,
lou Dort made all those shots in game five, didn't
make any in game six. Can't believe that Jaala Williams
(02:01):
and I don't know which Jala Williams is j Dubb
and which one is Jay Will. Like somebody's gotta they
need to wear name tags because I don't live in Oklahoma,
but I do know that one's j Dub and one's
Jay Will or whatever, but whichever one. And then you know,
Russell Westbrook was so bad in the first half. He
like single handedly put Oklahoma City back in the game.
I'm just going on and on about the game. He's like, no, no, no,
(02:23):
you do know that there was like a tornado warning
right near your house. I was like, I had no idea,
no idea. That's how end of the game I was.
And apparently no tornado sirens right near my house either. Yeah.
Jalen Williams was a yikes. Uh, you have to be
(02:44):
a hardcore college basketball fan to know who Julian Strather is.
Julian Strather profet. You're a You're a bigger college basketball
fan than Jay stew Is. Did you know who Jalen
Strather was? Julian Strather was before last night? I did
not know. Yeah, play again Zaga for three years. He
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comes in and he had like seventeen points in all
the playoffs and then has like thirteen and like it
seemed like two minutes and the Nuggets forced a Game
seven with Oklahoma City. Now here's the It's it's a statement,
but it's also a question, and I want your guys opinion. Okay,
(03:24):
what if I was to say that this is the
biggest home game for the Thunder since Oklahoma City was
up three games to two against the Golden State Warriors
the year the Warriors came back from down three to one, Right,
(03:45):
And I don't think there'd be much argument from it. Right.
There were some big games last year against Dallas Mavericks
that they lost, but none with the type of pressure
that you have having a three games to two series
lead going into Denver losing the game. Now you're at
home after having a great regular season and if you
fall in this round of the playoffs for the second
(04:07):
consecutive year, then that like then what then what? And
oh yeah, by the way, Jalen I mean excuse me, yeah, yeah,
Jalen Williams, the one we're talking about. What was the
yikes last night? He was like three of seventeen or eighteen,
like you know that that was what the Dallas was.
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What I remember about the Dallas series is some struggles there.
But here's the other part to it is I understand
that the Western Conference Finals in the NBA Finals are
bigger stages and maybe this is just me my perspective
as a former player, as a current coach, I don't
think there's going to be any more pressure to win
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than there is on Sunday. Let me let me restate
that again. So, if, for example, the Oklahoma City Thunder
win go to the Western Conference Finals match up with
the Minnesota Timberwolves, I think the common or the civilian
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perception is these are the most pressure pack games they've
ever played in, and if they get past that series,
they play in the NBA Finals. And right now we
don't I mean, only the Pacers have advanced, we'll steve
it's the Knicks or the Celtics, one of those three
teams they'll play against. The common perception would be that
those are the most pressure pack games they've always already
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played in. But you can't get any more pressure than
what they're facing Sunday. And if you can win Sunday,
if you can overcome, you might play a better team.
But Nikola Jokicic is arguably or maybe in arguably the
best player in the world. You have a team full
of guys you know that have all won an NBA championship, right,
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and as much as they had to little rest going
back to last weekend, now they have ample rest heading
into Oklahoma City for Game seven. I've thought this for
so long, and maybe the super Bowl is the only
(06:17):
asterisk to this discussion. But like, if you can win
a playoff game on the road in a crazy environment,
you can win another playoff game or a Super Bowl
in a crazy environment. Super Bowl, it's not even it's
not even about environmental, It's just about the magnitude of
the game. Jason, am I making sense.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
You know.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
It's like we only call people clutch if they win
a World Series, win a Super Bowl win an NBA championship.
But I remember I want to say, was was it
Adam Waynwright against the Phillies. It was one of those
one of those Saint Louis Cardinals pitchers, and they beat
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the Phillies and the Phillies throughout like Roy Halliday, it
was like a one nothing game and they tore off
his uniform like on the mound when they were celebrating.
And I remember thinking to myself, like, if you can
pitch well in that game, in an elimination game early
in the playoffs, what's serious in that? In the World
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Series there's nothing. There's still an incredible amount of pressure.
I think some people don't see it that way. I do,
Jase Stu Prefett, how do you see it? Okay?
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Yeah, what's the question?
Speaker 1 (07:33):
The question is, Okay, like, if you can win a
game like I think even the Knicks Game seven, I
think there's more pressure on the Knicks than this game
game game six at home, then there is games well
game seven even in Boston because you were up three
games to one, or if you're Oklahoma City, like the
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questions for Oklahoma City are can you win in the
Conference finals? Can you win the NBA Finals, and people
will say, hey, they've never played under that much pressure before.
But the reality is that there's no more pressure than
having a three games of two series lead, coming back home,
playing against a team that fired their head coach, fired
their general manager, doesn't have a particularly deep bench. Right,
(08:14):
feels a little bit longer in the tooth stuff. I mean,
you know, uh, you know one of their starters is
dealing with a really bad shoulder.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
You know.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
It's like, I don't believe in levels of pressure increasing
when you staved off elimination, when you've seen your season's
end come before your eyes. Does that make sense?
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Yeah, Doug, I would agree, And I would even term
it the over the hump theory, and not to be
confused with the hump theory, which is for a different
kind of program. I think it depends on the overall
team's situation, their recent playoff background, the experience of their players,
(08:55):
and their personnel. So for some teams, in some situations,
it might be getting over the hump out of the
second round of the NBA playoffs, or a conference championship
game in the NFL, or even one playoff game in
the NFL, And when you're talking about that, what I
recalled was the Kobe Shaq Lakers. The over the hump
(09:16):
standard for them at that point was getting out of
the conference finals because their first year under Phil Jackson,
they're the number one seed. They lead the Blazers three
games to one of the conference finals. Portland wins the
next two, forces a game seven, and then they they
go up by fifteen in the fourth quarter of Game seven,
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and the Lakers had to get over the hump to
win that, and that was arguably more dramatic. Although games
four and six, it was arguably more dramatic and more
meaningful of victory than what happened during the NBA Finals
that year.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
That's you made my point perfectly using example that, by
the way, was the Kobe de Shaq Alu right to
seal the deal absolutely to win the game, Jay Stuet,
That makes sense. Now. It's the idea of because we
operate in this world, the sports world believes that you've
only shown yourself to be clutch and overcome pressure if
(10:11):
you've done so in a championship game. And I would
push back on that and say, can you tell me
there'll be any more pressure in a championship game? There
is on the Knicks to win Game six in you
know where they haven't closed out a series at a
home in New York since nineteen ninety nine, or for
Oklahoma City, you know who, who's taken on a kind
of depleted Denver team that people think, you know, when
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they're young and they're fresh, and the longer the series goes,
they're supposed to be better, and all of a sudden,
they can't make a shot, right, they're not getting the
calls they used to get, Like there's no more pressure
than that.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
Yeah, I mean, because what are we saying Otherwise, we're
basically saying that pressure doesn't exist until you've been somewhere
where you've not been since the US or whenever it's
been since since the Knicks we're in the NBA Finals,
Like yeah, this is not this is not good for them,
and like this this is one of the things like
you gave. You gave the Celtics a bit of life.
(11:03):
You had big games from White and Brown and all
of a sudden, like you're on you're suddenly on the
back foot. Like I I think a lot of people
looking at tonight at tonight is like, I mean, I know,
for I know for certain, like if this does not
start off right for the Knicks, I'm already penciling into
Game seven and at that point it's it's gonna get
sweaty really really quick.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Yeah, now, listen, I I I think part of the
deal is that, Uh, part of the deal is that
the Knicks like for in the Knicks perspective, I don't
think they're better than the Celtics without Jason Tatum. Like
the Knicks, the Celtics are really good. Now. Part of
it is we don't know the health of christophs. Presingis right,
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So if you're down your best your best scorer, and
you're down your best big guy, no matter how much
deeper and better a team you are, at some point
that catches up to you the longer the series goes.
But uh, the point was more about pressure and this
assumption that the bigger the game, the bigger the stage,
the bigger the pressure. And I don't view that to
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be true. Not that I'm saying pressure doesn't exist, and
not that I'm saying that pressure doesn't sometimes show us
who's the choker and who can come through. They do,
but there's there's just as much, if not more pressure
on Oklahoma City to win Sunday, on the Knicks to
win tonight, than there is if they get to the
conference or NBA finals, that's it. That's more.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
There's different, there's different milestones for everyone when it comes
to pressure to get over this hump, to not fall
back down. Like I mean even we just saw this,
I mean different sport, but over in the Stanley Cup
playoffs are going on right now, Like it was a
lot of pressure for the Toronto Maple Leafs to finally
win a playoff series. They did and then end up
collapsing afterwards. But you know, it's different monkeys. Everyone's got
(12:50):
to get off their back and not I think you're
right that we put too much premium on that. It
can only happen in championship.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
There's only pressure in championship games. Like, yeah, that's not
exactly how it works.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
And still remember when I think Lebron it was with
the Heat playing the Thunder, and weren't they down in
that series two before?
Speaker 6 (13:04):
They like but they sorry, not the Thunder.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
It was against the Boston Celtics, their first on their
way to the first NBA title with the Heat. I think,
like I can't remember the record in that series. But
I remember all the pressure on them because this was
the Big Three and they hadn't even like you know,
I think there was more pressure on that series than
when they played the Thunder in the final that year.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
That's because James Harden was going out and wouldn't stop
going out.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
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(14:05):
if you watch sports, and I do, and I enjoy
what I watch, I there's just a couple of shows
on TV you feel like you can't miss. Cowherd Show
is one of them. And Colin, of course has recently.
Is he full time in Chicago or is the only
part time. I texted him this morning he was in Chicago,
So I know he's in Chicago this week. But it
wasn't just his show. There were several shows yesterday that
(14:33):
Ben Johnson was on, and you're like, wait, Ben Johnson,
he's a new head coach of the Bears. Yeah, was
he hired yesterday? No? No, Ben Johnson was not hired yesterday.
Ben Johnson was in a finalist for the job. Ben
Johnson's had the job. The draft has been over, free
agency has been over, everything's been over, and only now
(14:55):
well now he pops up on Colin Cowhard show, as
well as several other shows that my friends. Is known
as damage control, and you can always tell how much
damage is done based upon the damage control. It's just
like with a fire, right, how many alarm fire there is?
That means how many fire trucks. How many fire trucks
(15:18):
are at the fire. It's a five alarm fire, you're like,
oh my god, that's a big one. If it's one
fire trucks mean, oh, maybe it's a cat they're trying
to get out, or somebody's suffered cardiac arrest, or there's
something that needs to be done and they come in. Right.
The worse the fire, the more the trucks, the bigger
the reaction. And considering yesterday was a Thursday in May,
(15:43):
and yeah, the schedule release was the day before. That's it.
It's not he's around, but let's get him out there,
Let's get him in front of the camera. Let's have
him do multiple interviews. That shows how rough the backlash
was their young quarterback Kayleb Williams and allowing sex with
(16:05):
Seth Wickersham to follow him around and utter some really
interesting commentary on why he didn't want to go to
the Bears. Here's Ben Johnson, new head coach of the Bears.
Wasn't his coach? Wasn't coach during the time he was
with the Lions? Is the Athens a quidinair? Talking about
Seth Wickersham's book excerpts, how do you ensure he doesn't
(16:27):
lose faith and belief in your system? Well, you talk.
Speaker 7 (16:32):
About fears, and I don't see it quite the same way.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
I see.
Speaker 7 (16:37):
This is what a great opportunity we have to do
something that really has never been done. There hasn't been
a four thousand yard pastor here in this franchise, and
I think Caleb is going to be the first one,
and one of many years, many seasons to come where
he's able to accomplish that feat. So I see a
chance for greatness here for him. He's been communicated that
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way and he feels the same way. I don't know
what's going on prior to him joining the organization, but
he he is very proud to be a Chicago Bear.
That's what our conversations have included. And he's really excited
to get to work right now and be the best
version of himself for twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Here's the here's the hard one. Okay, here's the hard one.
That you can be right and you can be out
of a job. He's not wrong. They hadn't had a
franchise quarterback, and sometimes it's you know, all how you
look at it, right, Like was Mitchell Trubisky when they
(17:39):
could have drafted Pat Mahomes? What was it the fact
that it was the Chicago Bears? Was it the coaching
staff at the time, or was it that Mitchell Trubisky
just wasn't that good that caused him to top out
Jay Cutler? Was it the Chicago Bears, the coaching staff
he played for, or Jay Cutler that didn't allow Jay
(18:02):
Cutler to be what maybe his talent led you to
believe he could be. But regardless of whether or not
it was accurate that they hadn't developed a quarterback. Regardless
of whether or not Minnesota does seem like a great
place for a young quarterback to go. The reality is
(18:24):
he knew he was gonna be Chicago bear. He tried
to fight being a Chicago Bear. They threw out the UFL,
which is like comical. They didn't like the rookie salary cap,
which of course one you're not going to change. Like
this's the whole idea of it, right, is that they
negotiated for ten years. We got like six years left.
(18:44):
It's not changing anytime soon. And even when they do
change it, the rookie scale won't change. You know why
because the people who vote on it are rank and
file members. The rank and file members may be on
a rookie contract, but their next contract is not. So
you're not going to vote to help out the next
group of rookies. Why would you with a point B
(19:08):
when you want money for yourself. And there's the last
part to it is there's always been a sense of
aloofness entitlement. You know, there's the falling in his mom's arms,
you know when they're losing in a game, or the
(19:29):
famous headback meme. Just Caleb Williams has a bit of
a pr issue and this made it worse, not better,
and his coach trying to clean it up. He's always
wanted to be Chicago Bear. He loves it here. I
can't speak to what he said before he was a Bear,
but now he's amazing. He's amazing. Damage done now. Look,
(19:53):
if you win, it doesn't matter, people forget. We talked
about this yesterday. Chris Webber did not want to to
the Sacramento Kings, didn't want to go there, goes there,
and he is forever embedded on the hearts and minds
of all of the Kings fans, despite the fact they
never beat the Lakers. He just is. And there's been
(20:16):
other stories of it coaches who are the second or
third choice of the team. The coaches don't necessarily forget,
but people forget. But they only forget if you win big,
and right now, they haven't won big. Right now, he
seems spoiled, entitled, and like he would like to be
anywhere other than Soldier Field. Even if you ask Bears fans,
(20:38):
they probably agree with him, like, yeah, we haven't developed
a franchise quarterback. We have not but you want to
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be should be I looad. You brought up the what
what are you gonna do? What? What sporting event are
you are looking forward to next weekend? Was it because
you wanted somebody to say the ND five hundred? Was there?
Something else? Was because you want to prefet to suddenly
take on the Dan Virol talk about golf? What was
behind What was the motive behind that?
Speaker 4 (21:20):
It was basically all of those things combined. It wasn't
just from a sports related vein in the second half
of May. As you use the opportunity to bring up
your Kenny Chesney concert, No, just in general on the
second half of May. For me, my oldest his birthday
just happens to be during the second half of May,
(21:43):
So there was nothing the faarious you want, so.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
You want to bring that up? You were nefarious, That's funny.
I had a conversation with somebody's like, you're the only
one who mentions the word nefarius. I'm like, that's not true.
That's not true.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
I didn't think it was that rare of a word.
I think it's a great versatal load, all purpose word.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
I looad. Do you ever use the word fiefdom?
Speaker 6 (22:02):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (22:03):
No, I, I and I here's how little I use
that word. I I'm not sure. I didn't know was
pronounced fiefdom. I thought I was pronounced fifedom.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Maybe you could look it up, JAYSETU. We've had this
discussion before. Do you use word fiefdom? I would say
never ever prefet for Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm kind
of tilted beus.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
I played dungeons and dragons, So this is not something
you want to admit on the sorry before, this is no.
Speaker 6 (22:35):
This is no new territory.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Okay, so you've used word, I've used a lot. There
you go. Hey, so, but so iload. You you know
what it means, right, You just think it's pronounced differently.
Speaker 6 (22:46):
Oh yeah, it is pronounced fiefdom according to uh Google.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Yeah, okay, well good. I'm I'm in addition to conducting
a very very successful radio show, I just want an
argument today, and I feel really good about myself. And
I'm on a little bit of an argument roll. I
don't know about you, guys. I'm a little bit of an.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
Argument role for what the last two decades.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Uh No, No, I mean, look when you're hosting a
radio show by yourself, and that's what I mean, you
win argument. No, but I mean I've I've lost arguments
in real life before. Not today, Not Today's Today's a
good one. It's a good one. And here's it. I'll
tell you some Honestly, it wasn't a humble brag about
going to the thunder Knicks. It's you know, my son
(23:28):
wants to go. And I was like, dude, if they
were watching the game, He's in Oklahoma, I'm and in
Green Bay. Last night we're watching it on FaceTime and
I'm texting, like, who you're rooting for? Dude? You know,
because he won Oakland Sea to win because he's a
thunder fan. But he also knew that. I told him
if they go to Game seven, I'll get some tickets.
(23:49):
Let's go to Game seven. So he's like, so he said,
low key, I'm rooting for Denver. Low Key. See that's
how I stay hip, guys, is I got a and
he hits me with low key and now I know
proper use of low key.
Speaker 6 (24:04):
How has he hit you with a low key sus yet?
Speaker 1 (24:07):
I think Sus is over? Okay, I think Sus is
over all right, I think Sus is over. I think
Sus is over. Yeah. Yeah, But my point is, like
I'm into going to that game. I would rather go
to tonight's game.
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I want to somehow talk about disturbing trends right in
social media. There's a disturbing trend in social media and no, okay,
(24:55):
let's just do this real quick. I want to go
around the room, okay, And and it can be sports
or nonsports, one disturbing trend in social media. Let me
start with you, Jays two. You always get a chance
to complain, and I don't want to short change you
of that.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Yours, the ones that you have is mine. I've been
complaining for a while on this, but to maybe as
a one A, I will say the aggregation. The aggregators
out there that tell you how you're supposed to feel
before you watch the video. So they'll post capital letters
wholesome and then they'll be like this coach and his
(25:37):
son are on the sidelines, or they'll say capitalized holy bleep, Like,
don't tell me how to feel about the video. I'll
watch the video and then i'll tell you if it's
wholesome or not. I'll tell you if it was a
waste of my time, but don't put in all caps
how I'm supposed to feel about it.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Fair enough. Chrispohfett something a disturbing trend in social media.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
People looking at a link and then immediately trying to
ask an AI if it's real. Like I don't know
how many people have posted like news articles with links
to everything that's going on, and people you'll just see
it underneath it all the time on Twitter ax is
like Grock is this real? Yeah, you can see it's
real right here. It's literally being provided all the context
being provided for you. You have zero critical thinking skills whatsoever.
(26:27):
And I hate everyone who uses AI.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Okay, I just want to point out that, I mean,
I assumed grock was like an AI series sort of detector,
but I honestly, up until this moment, I still really
didn't know. I've never used it.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
Yeah, it's it's it's like chat GPT, except it's embedded
in Twitter or whatever. It's it, but it's I mean,
in general, I am very skeptical of all AI. I
think it destroys all critical you know, thinking skills and
also a lot of your ability to do work. But
at the same time, like I see people like underneath
social media posts immediately just asking AI like for context
(27:04):
about it. It's like, you can do this research yourself.
It's very easy. It probably improves you as a human being.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
I low something that something a disturbing trend.
Speaker 6 (27:16):
Oh sorry, I was just doing an IG live.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
That was a joke.
Speaker 6 (27:20):
By the way, over.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
Sharing in general and people trying to make themselves way
more important than they are.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Okay, here's mine, and I love that. Jay Stewart loves this.
I cannot stand some of these social media posts. Now
there's lots that are just people just make stuff up.
Those are bad, But the videos of quarterbacks throwing to
wide receivers with shirts and skins limited or no defense.
(28:00):
This guy's upset to have a huge year. And it's
like part of it is I would say ninety nine
point nine percent of people have never been to an
NFL practice, right, They've never been to an NBA practice.
It's one of the things that like every once in
a while, I take a breath wherever I am and
(28:22):
realize that, realize that you haven't been to these workouts.
But NFL quarterbacks when they're throwing to NFL wide receivers,
the ball shouldn't ever hit the dirt, not the bad
not the great ones, the bad ones. It's like NBA players.
You're ever go with an NBA player and you go
(28:43):
to the gym, you do a workout, You're like, wow,
you're a way better shoot they are in the NBA, Like, no, no,
I'm in the NBA. You don't. NBA players don't miss
when they're empty in an empty gym. It's just different
when there's a six foot nine guy with a seven
foot four wingspan running at you and there's a bunch
of you know, and you got money online and crowds
yelling at you and all the other stuff. The slow
motion almost early part of hard knocks sort of treatment
(29:09):
to to eleven on you know, or seven on seven
football or two guys on nobody. Football is just obnoxious.
It's a terrible trend. It doesn't mean you're going to
have a great year. It doesn't mean anything because there's
no context behind it. Let's get to Mark Dominic, whu
(29:30):
joins this. He's a former general manager of the Nation
Football League joint just throughout throughout the entire year here
on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. The
Caleb Williams story. We've now had like a day to
digest it. What's your reaction to that story of him
and his dad leading up to last year's NFL draft.
Speaker 8 (29:53):
Just it continues to have me push pause on what
Caleb william Is going to be in the National Football
League and whether that's his dad creating more of the
problem or Caleb. It's it's again what we talked about
a year ago when I was hesitant and I said
I'd take Jayden Daniels over Caleb before the draft because
there's certain parts about it that they're just thinking they
(30:14):
can dictate what's going to happen without realizing you've got
to go do the work first. You've got to go
have the success first. Like to even say, look in
Chicago a town we could work with, are you crazy?
Of course, it is like they're definitely trying to find
that quarterback of the first really find that quarterback of
the franchise in decades. So it's I did not like
(30:35):
the article. I love Seth the writer of it, but
I think it just paints this whole thing in the
same Go prove it, you know, show me that you
can do it before I have to hear about, you know,
all the things that you could have done or thought about,
you know, thinking about how to get out of the
draft and be able to choose your own location. It
has the smell a little bit of what happened with
shad Or Sanderson's dad.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Yeah, yeah, only you know, slightly more talents, you know,
more talent, and and that's why he was able to
Still how hard is it to clean that up? Yeah,
I mean, I mean, like it's one thing to say
a man, I always want to be like a commander
because I grew up in d C. But to say
(31:18):
I always want to be a Viking when the Vikings
are I mean, look, he's not wrong. The coaches, great offense,
good skills, like, but the point is, like that's one
of your rivals and it's not like people. It's it's
kind of a random pick to say I want to
be a Viking. Like how hard is that to clean up?
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (31:37):
Ben tried to, right, coach has already tried to clean
it up a little bit. Uh, the kid, it is
a mess and it's a bad mess. And it's what
he's not realizing by agreeing to do, you know, the
sit down, to agree to try to show that look
how smart I am, and all the different things I
tried to do to manipulate this. You just you know,
you might have alienated yourself a little bit further. You
think that the leash is going to be shorter in
(31:59):
Chicago now, I do you know, will the fans turn
on them quicker? Yes? They will? You know. So all
those kind of things are just you know, what's just
happening here. And as the GM or as the head coach,
all you can do is try to put everything into
that Hey we're fine here, everything's fine here, nothing to
see the look somewhere else, right, that kind of mindset,
and it's too bad because this should be an op
(32:19):
season like you and I have talked about where I
said by based on what they've done on the offensive line,
based on what they've done overall, tight end position, wide receive.
Will know what Caleb Blame is at the end of
this year, but I don't know what he is right now.
Still we can say he's the number one pick, but
I can't say he's a franchise quarterback still based off
what he's done so far. So you know, all those
(32:40):
things should be you know, ideally you try to go
into that mindset of I'm going to prove everybody right
and be a good guy while I do it, instead
of I'm going to prove everybody right and still be
a diva.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Mark domics our guests here on the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, so Mark, help me out
with this.
Speaker 6 (33:03):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
I look at the George Pickens trade, and I think
the Cowboys got more talented. But I don't know if
they got better. Did they get better?
Speaker 8 (33:15):
So I think they did both. I think they did
get Yes, they're more talented. I mean, anybody who gets
George Pickens is more talented. It's whether you can hone
him in and get him to buy into what's going
on and for him to see because if if I
was GM there or if I certainly would be talking
aboud coach about it as well, that in this situation, George,
you realized, just being candid with you, you're a player
(33:38):
two away from this single in the wrong direction. And
so if I'm Coach Schottenheimer or I'm Will McLay right
or Stephen Jones, I want to bring George in and
just be like, George, we got your back, we traded
for you, We gave up as much as anybody would.
But you have got to just kind of like do
everything you can to be the best you you can
be and not worry about off the field, not worry
about you know, Ego understand the CDs going to catch
(34:00):
balls and there's many times you're not. Are you good
with all that? Because we can structure this thing the
right way and get through it. Because he is, He's
going to help this off tremendously because without him, you know,
Jonathan Mingo, the Jalen Brooks or the Jalen Tolberts or whatever.
You know, they're all good players, but no one's going
to give the respects he's going to get doubled up
the entire time. Now you have to make a decisions
(34:21):
defensive coordinator, and so that's going to make them better.
It's just they've got to make sure mentality wise, George
can handle being the numbers two receiver again and still
enjoy the role. Kind of allah Alvin Harper esque, like
that kind of a mindset that you're going to have
to have that kind of a brain towards Michael Irban.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Do you think he knows Alvin Harper is not a chance,
not a chance, not a chance. And if you say
nobody wants to be Robin, if somebody is in fact,
somebody's in fact Batman. When is the point of no
return for Aaron Rodgers and the Steelers?
Speaker 5 (34:56):
Uh?
Speaker 8 (34:57):
I think it's really it's probably when they depart, when
veteran mini camp is concluded. I would say that's kind
of my point of no return. So once you've gotten
to that date, to bring Aaron Rodgers in would be
number one awful for the coaching staff because that's the
one chance to get to breathe is that little bit
(35:18):
of a month before you head the camp. You got
two three weeks there Sometimes a little bit more, sometimes
little less. That's usually when coaches like they're on vacation
with their family, with their wife and if you take
that away, because well I just had to jump in
and so I want to learn about this stuff, you know,
on my time when no one's around. That's a bad
that's just selfish and it's just picks another scab off
(35:39):
the mound in my opinion. So I think he's got
to make a decision prior ideally it is prior to
the Veteran Mini Camp and then he would come into
Veteran Mini Camp, get the stuff, study on it, want
to be ready for a training camp. I think he
can be. But I think that Vettermente camp is the
drop dead.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
You know, sports radio kind of loses their mind when
the schedule comes out, and uh, you know, we don't
we kind of like being Debbie down owners inside a
front office when you're in Tampa. How much attention is
paid to the schedule and the schedule drops in terms
of your immediate day to day.
Speaker 8 (36:12):
Oh quite frankly everything. I mean as soon as I
get the call, because we would get the call from
the league office prior to the schedule drop right. So
somewhere around two or three o'clock Eastern, we would get
the call from somebody at the league office and they'd say, Okay,
here's your schedule. They'd say it to us, we'd write
it down, and then the first thing I'd do is
I go to the owner's office knock on the door. Well,
(36:34):
the first thing I do is I look at it
and say what do I like dislike about it? And why?
And then I go to the owners and sit there
and say, we've got the schedule. Here it is because
they're going to inevitably ask me, Doug, what do you
like about it? If you don't like about it? Those
kind of things. But you look at it really hard.
You look at when is my bibe? This is the
first thing I look, Well, when was the bye week?
I look for how many road games do you have
in a row? What's my longest road trip? Okay, certainly
(36:57):
one of the things you're certainly looking for is what
games do I have that are you know, standalones or
you know, what's my you know, my Thursday night, Sunday night,
Monday night game schedule? Possibly look like so all those
things tying to it. And then if you're from me
when I was in Tampa. You're looking at you know,
late November, early December or through December. What are my
cold games?
Speaker 5 (37:15):
Right?
Speaker 8 (37:15):
I mean you look at the Bucks this year and
they don't have one on their schedule whatsoever. Their coldest
game might be at Buffalo week eleven, that's in mid November.
Other than that, having being the person that still looks
at the Bucks schedule, they play at LA that would
be nice, Arizona at home, New Orleans at home, Atlanta
at home, at Carolina could be called to Miami at home,
(37:36):
Like how good is that? That's as good as schedule.
You could ask them a weather perspective. So you're looking
at all those different things.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
So yeah, very little of it is who we actually
play though, right, But that's the instant part, you know,
it's so much that it's about the setup of it,
not about who who's actually who's actually playing.
Speaker 8 (37:56):
Yeah, no, that's very fair because you don't know who's
going to be on the field that week. Worry about
it as much, exactly.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Right, Whereas in media we do the opposite. We acted
like there's these matchups, You're like, dude, you got no
idea who's healthy. It's way more all of the all
the other stuff. I'll use it. Like in college basketball, right,
we're trying to set our schedule. What is the least
that we can travel so that we have the we're
our best version of ourselves. Like that's spacing out games,
(38:22):
you know, we're not. We're beholden to the league for
our conference schedule, but a non conference schedule, there's very
few things for beholden to. You got to fit into windows.
So I completely get that one exactly. Is there a
world where Dylan Gabriel and Shador Sanders are both on
the roster for the Browns this year?
Speaker 8 (38:43):
Yes, it's kind of the Brock Party rule.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Right.
Speaker 8 (38:45):
Rock Party was mister Irrelevant, but his rookie year, he
made the fifty three man roster and played just a
little bit of preseason. But they call every day and
practice what they liked because most of the time that
guy would always go and go keep your active too,
and put one on the practice squad. But Rock pretty
played well enough internally and they saw we got to
be careful. I think, you know, Deshaun Watson, I don't
think is going to They're going to figure out something there,
(39:08):
ir or whatever. But I think there's there's a world
where all three quarterbacks can be on the fifty three.
Because you were that encouraged by you know, what should
do or did that. Maybe some of the other people
didn't get to see specifically the day to day stuff,
not the game. I mean, that's obviously important, but it's
the individuals. What's he like in the meetings, what's he
like in terms of practice, tempo, habits, leadership, All those
(39:29):
things we're looking for could get him as a spot
on the fifty three as well. And there's no reason
why he can't be number two that he couldn't be
that Don Gabriel in my.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Opinion, Mark, great stuff as always, man, have a great weekend.
Thanks so much for joining us. We'll talk to you
next week.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Wound good.
Speaker 8 (39:43):
Doug enjoyed it. Thanks you all right.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
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(00:26):
for a huge weekend to game Game six tonight, a
Game seven on Sunday, maybe a second Game seven on Sunday. Man,
don't you just don't you just love love love talking
about following sports? Jay Stew's around my man profet on
(00:49):
the ones and twos. We got our guy, Dan Byer
should be really good. Oh excuse it's a glowing crin.
You know. Mark Domin's gonna join us a little bit
later on the hour. I was watching last night, and
here's how into the game I was last night. Jace, Dude,
(01:12):
there was a tornado warning not watch tornado warning near
my house, and I'm watching, I'm watching the Nuggets, and
I'm watching Jalen Williams really struggle and the game's going on,
and I'm into it. Thunder Lightning when Thunderstorm was like, man,
(01:37):
this is great. You know, I just love this watch
this game. Thunderstorm Outside was like something out of a movie.
Game gets over. Buddy of mine calls is like, hey, man,
that was crazy. I was like, yeah, I you know,
lou Dort made all those shots in game five, didn't
make any in game six. Can't believe that Jaala Williams
(02:01):
and I don't know which Jala Williams is j Dubb
and which one is Jay Will. Like somebody's gotta they
need to wear name tags because I don't live in Oklahoma,
but I do know that one's j Dub and one's
Jay Will or whatever, but whichever one. And then you know,
Russell Westbrook was so bad in the first half. He
like single handedly put Oklahoma City back in the game.
I'm just going on and on about the game. He's like, no, no, no,
(02:23):
you do know that there was like a tornado warning
right near your house. I was like, I had no idea,
no idea. That's how end of the game I was.
And apparently no tornado sirens right near my house either. Yeah.
Jalen Williams was a yikes. Uh, you have to be
(02:44):
a hardcore college basketball fan to know who Julian Strather is.
Julian Strather profet. You're a You're a bigger college basketball
fan than Jay stew Is. Did you know who Jalen
Strather was? Julian Strather was before last night? I did
not know. Yeah, play again Zaga for three years. He
(03:04):
comes in and he had like seventeen points in all
the playoffs and then has like thirteen and like it
seemed like two minutes and the Nuggets forced a Game
seven with Oklahoma City. Now here's the It's it's a statement,
but it's also a question, and I want your guys opinion. Okay,
(03:24):
what if I was to say that this is the
biggest home game for the Thunder since Oklahoma City was
up three games to two against the Golden State Warriors
the year the Warriors came back from down three to one, Right,
(03:45):
And I don't think there'd be much argument from it. Right.
There were some big games last year against Dallas Mavericks
that they lost, but none with the type of pressure
that you have having a three games to two series
lead going into Denver losing the game. Now you're at
home after having a great regular season and if you
fall in this round of the playoffs for the second
(04:07):
consecutive year, then that like then what then what? And
oh yeah, by the way, Jalen I mean excuse me, yeah, yeah,
Jalen Williams, the one we're talking about. What was the
yikes last night? He was like three of seventeen or eighteen,
like you know that that was what the Dallas was.
(04:27):
What I remember about the Dallas series is some struggles there.
But here's the other part to it is I understand
that the Western Conference Finals in the NBA Finals are
bigger stages and maybe this is just me my perspective
as a former player, as a current coach, I don't
think there's going to be any more pressure to win
(04:50):
than there is on Sunday. Let me let me restate
that again. So, if, for example, the Oklahoma City Thunder
win go to the Western Conference Finals match up with
the Minnesota Timberwolves, I think the common or the civilian
(05:10):
perception is these are the most pressure pack games they've
ever played in, and if they get past that series,
they play in the NBA Finals. And right now we
don't I mean, only the Pacers have advanced, we'll steve
it's the Knicks or the Celtics, one of those three
teams they'll play against. The common perception would be that
those are the most pressure pack games they've always already
(05:33):
played in. But you can't get any more pressure than
what they're facing Sunday. And if you can win Sunday,
if you can overcome, you might play a better team.
But Nikola Jokicic is arguably or maybe in arguably the
best player in the world. You have a team full
of guys you know that have all won an NBA championship, right,
(05:57):
and as much as they had to little rest going
back to last weekend, now they have ample rest heading
into Oklahoma City for Game seven. I've thought this for
so long, and maybe the super Bowl is the only
(06:17):
asterisk to this discussion. But like, if you can win
a playoff game on the road in a crazy environment,
you can win another playoff game or a Super Bowl
in a crazy environment. Super Bowl, it's not even it's
not even about environmental, It's just about the magnitude of
the game. Jason, am I making sense.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
You know.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
It's like we only call people clutch if they win
a World Series, win a Super Bowl win an NBA championship.
But I remember I want to say, was was it
Adam Waynwright against the Phillies. It was one of those
one of those Saint Louis Cardinals pitchers, and they beat
(07:00):
the Phillies and the Phillies throughout like Roy Halliday, it
was like a one nothing game and they tore off
his uniform like on the mound when they were celebrating.
And I remember thinking to myself, like, if you can
pitch well in that game, in an elimination game early
in the playoffs, what's serious in that? In the World
(07:21):
Series there's nothing. There's still an incredible amount of pressure.
I think some people don't see it that way. I do,
Jase Stu Prefett, how do you see it? Okay?
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Yeah, what's the question?
Speaker 1 (07:33):
The question is, Okay, like, if you can win a
game like I think even the Knicks Game seven, I
think there's more pressure on the Knicks than this game
game game six at home, then there is games well
game seven even in Boston because you were up three
games to one, or if you're Oklahoma City, like the
(07:53):
questions for Oklahoma City are can you win in the
Conference finals? Can you win the NBA Finals, and people
will say, hey, they've never played under that much pressure before.
But the reality is that there's no more pressure than
having a three games of two series lead, coming back home,
playing against a team that fired their head coach, fired
their general manager, doesn't have a particularly deep bench. Right,
(08:14):
feels a little bit longer in the tooth stuff. I mean,
you know, uh, you know one of their starters is
dealing with a really bad shoulder.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
You know.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
It's like, I don't believe in levels of pressure increasing
when you staved off elimination, when you've seen your season's
end come before your eyes. Does that make sense?
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Yeah, Doug, I would agree, And I would even term
it the over the hump theory, and not to be
confused with the hump theory, which is for a different
kind of program. I think it depends on the overall
team's situation, their recent playoff background, the experience of their players,
(08:55):
and their personnel. So for some teams, in some situations,
it might be getting over the hump out of the
second round of the NBA playoffs, or a conference championship
game in the NFL, or even one playoff game in
the NFL, And when you're talking about that, what I
recalled was the Kobe Shaq Lakers. The over the hump
(09:16):
standard for them at that point was getting out of
the conference finals because their first year under Phil Jackson,
they're the number one seed. They lead the Blazers three
games to one of the conference finals. Portland wins the
next two, forces a game seven, and then they they
go up by fifteen in the fourth quarter of Game seven,
(09:37):
and the Lakers had to get over the hump to
win that, and that was arguably more dramatic. Although games
four and six, it was arguably more dramatic and more
meaningful of victory than what happened during the NBA Finals
that year.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
That's you made my point perfectly using example that, by
the way, was the Kobe de Shaq Alu right to
seal the deal absolutely to win the game, Jay Stuet,
That makes sense. Now. It's the idea of because we
operate in this world, the sports world believes that you've
only shown yourself to be clutch and overcome pressure if
(10:11):
you've done so in a championship game. And I would
push back on that and say, can you tell me
there'll be any more pressure in a championship game? There
is on the Knicks to win Game six in you
know where they haven't closed out a series at a
home in New York since nineteen ninety nine, or for
Oklahoma City, you know who, who's taken on a kind
of depleted Denver team that people think, you know, when
(10:33):
they're young and they're fresh, and the longer the series goes,
they're supposed to be better, and all of a sudden,
they can't make a shot, right, they're not getting the
calls they used to get, Like there's no more pressure
than that.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
Yeah, I mean, because what are we saying Otherwise, we're
basically saying that pressure doesn't exist until you've been somewhere
where you've not been since the US or whenever it's
been since since the Knicks we're in the NBA Finals,
Like yeah, this is not this is not good for them,
and like this this is one of the things like
you gave. You gave the Celtics a bit of life.
(11:03):
You had big games from White and Brown and all
of a sudden, like you're on you're suddenly on the
back foot. Like I I think a lot of people
looking at tonight at tonight is like, I mean, I know,
for I know for certain, like if this does not
start off right for the Knicks, I'm already penciling into
Game seven and at that point it's it's gonna get
sweaty really really quick.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Yeah, now, listen, I I I think part of the
deal is that, Uh, part of the deal is that
the Knicks like for in the Knicks perspective, I don't
think they're better than the Celtics without Jason Tatum. Like
the Knicks, the Celtics are really good. Now. Part of
it is we don't know the health of christophs. Presingis right,
(11:47):
So if you're down your best your best scorer, and
you're down your best big guy, no matter how much
deeper and better a team you are, at some point
that catches up to you the longer the series goes.
But uh, the point was more about pressure and this
assumption that the bigger the game, the bigger the stage,
the bigger the pressure. And I don't view that to
(12:08):
be true. Not that I'm saying pressure doesn't exist, and
not that I'm saying that pressure doesn't sometimes show us
who's the choker and who can come through. They do,
but there's there's just as much, if not more pressure
on Oklahoma City to win Sunday, on the Knicks to
win tonight, than there is if they get to the
conference or NBA finals, that's it. That's more.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
There's different, there's different milestones for everyone when it comes
to pressure to get over this hump, to not fall
back down. Like I mean even we just saw this,
I mean different sport, but over in the Stanley Cup
playoffs are going on right now, Like it was a
lot of pressure for the Toronto Maple Leafs to finally
win a playoff series. They did and then end up
collapsing afterwards. But you know, it's different monkeys. Everyone's got
(12:50):
to get off their back and not I think you're
right that we put too much premium on that. It
can only happen in championship.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
There's only pressure in championship games. Like, yeah, that's not
exactly how it works.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
And still remember when I think Lebron it was with
the Heat playing the Thunder, and weren't they down in
that series two before?
Speaker 6 (13:04):
They like but they sorry, not the Thunder.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
It was against the Boston Celtics, their first on their
way to the first NBA title with the Heat. I think,
like I can't remember the record in that series. But
I remember all the pressure on them because this was
the Big Three and they hadn't even like you know,
I think there was more pressure on that series than
when they played the Thunder in the final that year.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
That's because James Harden was going out and wouldn't stop
going out.
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if you watch sports, and I do, and I enjoy
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Is he full time in Chicago or is the only
part time. I texted him this morning he was in Chicago,
So I know he's in Chicago this week. But it
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(14:33):
Ben Johnson was on, and you're like, wait, Ben Johnson,
he's a new head coach of the Bears. Yeah, was
he hired yesterday? No? No, Ben Johnson was not hired yesterday.
Ben Johnson was in a finalist for the job. Ben
Johnson's had the job. The draft has been over, free
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well now he pops up on Colin Cowhard show, as
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as damage control, and you can always tell how much
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like with a fire, right, how many alarm fire there is?
That means how many fire trucks. How many fire trucks
(15:18):
are at the fire. It's a five alarm fire, you're like,
oh my god, that's a big one. If it's one
fire trucks mean, oh, maybe it's a cat they're trying
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something that needs to be done and they come in. Right.
The worse the fire, the more the trucks, the bigger
the reaction. And considering yesterday was a Thursday in May,
(15:43):
and yeah, the schedule release was the day before. That's it.
It's not he's around, but let's get him out there,
Let's get him in front of the camera. Let's have
him do multiple interviews. That shows how rough the backlash
was their young quarterback Kayleb Williams and allowing sex with
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interesting commentary on why he didn't want to go to
the Bears. Here's Ben Johnson, new head coach of the Bears.
Wasn't his coach? Wasn't coach during the time he was
with the Lions? Is the Athens a quidinair? Talking about
Seth Wickersham's book excerpts, how do you ensure he doesn't
(16:27):
lose faith and belief in your system? Well, you talk.
Speaker 7 (16:32):
About fears, and I don't see it quite the same way.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
I see.
Speaker 7 (16:37):
This is what a great opportunity we have to do
something that really has never been done. There hasn't been
a four thousand yard pastor here in this franchise, and
I think Caleb is going to be the first one,
and one of many years, many seasons to come where
he's able to accomplish that feat. So I see a
chance for greatness here for him. He's been communicated that
(16:58):
way and he feels the same way. I don't know
what's going on prior to him joining the organization, but
he he is very proud to be a Chicago Bear.
That's what our conversations have included. And he's really excited
to get to work right now and be the best
version of himself for twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Here's the here's the hard one. Okay, here's the hard one.
That you can be right and you can be out
of a job. He's not wrong. They hadn't had a
franchise quarterback, and sometimes it's you know, all how you
look at it, right, Like was Mitchell Trubisky when they
(17:39):
could have drafted Pat Mahomes? What was it the fact
that it was the Chicago Bears? Was it the coaching
staff at the time, or was it that Mitchell Trubisky
just wasn't that good that caused him to top out
Jay Cutler? Was it the Chicago Bears, the coaching staff
he played for, or Jay Cutler that didn't allow Jay
(18:02):
Cutler to be what maybe his talent led you to
believe he could be. But regardless of whether or not
it was accurate that they hadn't developed a quarterback. Regardless
of whether or not Minnesota does seem like a great
place for a young quarterback to go. The reality is
(18:24):
he knew he was gonna be Chicago bear. He tried
to fight being a Chicago Bear. They threw out the UFL,
which is like comical. They didn't like the rookie salary cap,
which of course one you're not going to change. Like
this's the whole idea of it, right, is that they
negotiated for ten years. We got like six years left.
(18:44):
It's not changing anytime soon. And even when they do
change it, the rookie scale won't change. You know why
because the people who vote on it are rank and
file members. The rank and file members may be on
a rookie contract, but their next contract is not. So
you're not going to vote to help out the next
group of rookies. Why would you with a point B
(19:08):
when you want money for yourself. And there's the last
part to it is there's always been a sense of
aloofness entitlement. You know, there's the falling in his mom's arms,
you know when they're losing in a game, or the
(19:29):
famous headback meme. Just Caleb Williams has a bit of
a pr issue and this made it worse, not better,
and his coach trying to clean it up. He's always
wanted to be Chicago Bear. He loves it here. I
can't speak to what he said before he was a Bear,
but now he's amazing. He's amazing. Damage done now. Look,
(19:53):
if you win, it doesn't matter, people forget. We talked
about this yesterday. Chris Webber did not want to to
the Sacramento Kings, didn't want to go there, goes there,
and he is forever embedded on the hearts and minds
of all of the Kings fans, despite the fact they
never beat the Lakers. He just is. And there's been
(20:16):
other stories of it coaches who are the second or
third choice of the team. The coaches don't necessarily forget,
but people forget. But they only forget if you win big,
and right now, they haven't won big. Right now, he
seems spoiled, entitled, and like he would like to be
anywhere other than Soldier Field. Even if you ask Bears fans,
(20:38):
they probably agree with him, like, yeah, we haven't developed
a franchise quarterback. We have not but you want to
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be should be I looad. You brought up the what
what are you gonna do? What? What sporting event are
you are looking forward to next weekend? Was it because
you wanted somebody to say the ND five hundred? Was there?
Something else? Was because you want to prefet to suddenly
take on the Dan Virol talk about golf? What was
behind What was the motive behind that?
Speaker 4 (21:20):
It was basically all of those things combined. It wasn't
just from a sports related vein in the second half
of May. As you use the opportunity to bring up
your Kenny Chesney concert, No, just in general on the
second half of May. For me, my oldest his birthday
just happens to be during the second half of May,
(21:43):
So there was nothing the faarious you want, so.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
You want to bring that up? You were nefarious, That's funny.
I had a conversation with somebody's like, you're the only
one who mentions the word nefarius. I'm like, that's not true.
That's not true.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
I didn't think it was that rare of a word.
I think it's a great versatal load, all purpose word.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
I looad. Do you ever use the word fiefdom?
Speaker 6 (22:02):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (22:03):
No, I, I and I here's how little I use
that word. I I'm not sure. I didn't know was
pronounced fiefdom. I thought I was pronounced fifedom.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Maybe you could look it up, JAYSETU. We've had this
discussion before. Do you use word fiefdom? I would say
never ever prefet for Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm kind
of tilted beus.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
I played dungeons and dragons, So this is not something
you want to admit on the sorry before, this is no.
Speaker 6 (22:35):
This is no new territory.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Okay, so you've used word, I've used a lot. There
you go. Hey, so, but so iload. You you know
what it means, right, You just think it's pronounced differently.
Speaker 6 (22:46):
Oh yeah, it is pronounced fiefdom according to uh Google.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Yeah, okay, well good. I'm I'm in addition to conducting
a very very successful radio show, I just want an
argument today, and I feel really good about myself. And
I'm on a little bit of an argument roll. I
don't know about you, guys. I'm a little bit of an.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
Argument role for what the last two decades.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Uh No, No, I mean, look when you're hosting a
radio show by yourself, and that's what I mean, you
win argument. No, but I mean I've I've lost arguments
in real life before. Not today, Not Today's Today's a
good one. It's a good one. And here's it. I'll
tell you some Honestly, it wasn't a humble brag about
going to the thunder Knicks. It's you know, my son
(23:28):
wants to go. And I was like, dude, if they
were watching the game, He's in Oklahoma, I'm and in
Green Bay. Last night we're watching it on FaceTime and
I'm texting, like, who you're rooting for? Dude? You know,
because he won Oakland Sea to win because he's a
thunder fan. But he also knew that. I told him
if they go to Game seven, I'll get some tickets.
(23:49):
Let's go to Game seven. So he's like, so he said,
low key, I'm rooting for Denver. Low Key. See that's
how I stay hip, guys, is I got a and
he hits me with low key and now I know
proper use of low key.
Speaker 6 (24:04):
How has he hit you with a low key sus yet?
Speaker 1 (24:07):
I think Sus is over? Okay, I think Sus is
over all right, I think Sus is over. I think
Sus is over. Yeah. Yeah, But my point is, like
I'm into going to that game. I would rather go
to tonight's game.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
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Speaker 1 (24:34):
It's Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio App. Welcome in. Yeah, so,
I want to somehow talk about disturbing trends right in
social media. There's a disturbing trend in social media and no, okay,
(24:55):
let's just do this real quick. I want to go
around the room, okay, And and it can be sports
or nonsports, one disturbing trend in social media. Let me
start with you, Jays two. You always get a chance
to complain, and I don't want to short change you
of that.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Yours, the ones that you have is mine. I've been
complaining for a while on this, but to maybe as
a one A, I will say the aggregation. The aggregators
out there that tell you how you're supposed to feel
before you watch the video. So they'll post capital letters
wholesome and then they'll be like this coach and his
(25:37):
son are on the sidelines, or they'll say capitalized holy bleep, Like,
don't tell me how to feel about the video. I'll
watch the video and then i'll tell you if it's
wholesome or not. I'll tell you if it was a
waste of my time, but don't put in all caps
how I'm supposed to feel about it.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Fair enough. Chrispohfett something a disturbing trend in social media.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
People looking at a link and then immediately trying to
ask an AI if it's real. Like I don't know
how many people have posted like news articles with links
to everything that's going on, and people you'll just see
it underneath it all the time on Twitter ax is
like Grock is this real? Yeah, you can see it's
real right here. It's literally being provided all the context
being provided for you. You have zero critical thinking skills whatsoever.
(26:27):
And I hate everyone who uses AI.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Okay, I just want to point out that, I mean,
I assumed grock was like an AI series sort of detector,
but I honestly, up until this moment, I still really
didn't know. I've never used it.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
Yeah, it's it's it's like chat GPT, except it's embedded
in Twitter or whatever. It's it, but it's I mean,
in general, I am very skeptical of all AI. I
think it destroys all critical you know, thinking skills and
also a lot of your ability to do work. But
at the same time, like I see people like underneath
social media posts immediately just asking AI like for context
(27:04):
about it. It's like, you can do this research yourself.
It's very easy. It probably improves you as a human being.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
I low something that something a disturbing trend.
Speaker 6 (27:16):
Oh sorry, I was just doing an IG live.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
That was a joke.
Speaker 6 (27:20):
By the way, over.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
Sharing in general and people trying to make themselves way
more important than they are.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Okay, here's mine, and I love that. Jay Stewart loves this.
I cannot stand some of these social media posts. Now
there's lots that are just people just make stuff up.
Those are bad, But the videos of quarterbacks throwing to
wide receivers with shirts and skins limited or no defense.
(28:00):
This guy's upset to have a huge year. And it's
like part of it is I would say ninety nine
point nine percent of people have never been to an
NFL practice, right, They've never been to an NBA practice.
It's one of the things that like every once in
a while, I take a breath wherever I am and
(28:22):
realize that, realize that you haven't been to these workouts.
But NFL quarterbacks when they're throwing to NFL wide receivers,
the ball shouldn't ever hit the dirt, not the bad
not the great ones, the bad ones. It's like NBA players.
You're ever go with an NBA player and you go
(28:43):
to the gym, you do a workout, You're like, wow,
you're a way better shoot they are in the NBA, Like, no, no,
I'm in the NBA. You don't. NBA players don't miss
when they're empty in an empty gym. It's just different
when there's a six foot nine guy with a seven
foot four wingspan running at you and there's a bunch
of you know, and you got money online and crowds
yelling at you and all the other stuff. The slow
motion almost early part of hard knocks sort of treatment
(29:09):
to to eleven on you know, or seven on seven
football or two guys on nobody. Football is just obnoxious.
It's a terrible trend. It doesn't mean you're going to
have a great year. It doesn't mean anything because there's
no context behind it. Let's get to Mark Dominic, whu
(29:30):
joins this. He's a former general manager of the Nation
Football League joint just throughout throughout the entire year here
on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. The
Caleb Williams story. We've now had like a day to
digest it. What's your reaction to that story of him
and his dad leading up to last year's NFL draft.
Speaker 8 (29:53):
Just it continues to have me push pause on what
Caleb william Is going to be in the National Football
League and whether that's his dad creating more of the
problem or Caleb. It's it's again what we talked about
a year ago when I was hesitant and I said
I'd take Jayden Daniels over Caleb before the draft because
there's certain parts about it that they're just thinking they
(30:14):
can dictate what's going to happen without realizing you've got
to go do the work first. You've got to go
have the success first. Like to even say, look in
Chicago a town we could work with, are you crazy?
Of course, it is like they're definitely trying to find
that quarterback of the first really find that quarterback of
the franchise in decades. So it's I did not like
(30:35):
the article. I love Seth the writer of it, but
I think it just paints this whole thing in the
same Go prove it, you know, show me that you
can do it before I have to hear about, you know,
all the things that you could have done or thought about,
you know, thinking about how to get out of the
draft and be able to choose your own location. It
has the smell a little bit of what happened with
shad Or Sanderson's dad.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Yeah, yeah, only you know, slightly more talents, you know,
more talent, and and that's why he was able to
Still how hard is it to clean that up? Yeah,
I mean, I mean, like it's one thing to say
a man, I always want to be like a commander
because I grew up in d C. But to say
(31:18):
I always want to be a Viking when the Vikings
are I mean, look, he's not wrong. The coaches, great offense,
good skills, like, but the point is, like that's one
of your rivals and it's not like people. It's it's
kind of a random pick to say I want to
be a Viking. Like how hard is that to clean up?
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (31:37):
Ben tried to, right, coach has already tried to clean
it up a little bit. Uh, the kid, it is
a mess and it's a bad mess. And it's what
he's not realizing by agreeing to do, you know, the
sit down, to agree to try to show that look
how smart I am, and all the different things I
tried to do to manipulate this. You just you know,
you might have alienated yourself a little bit further. You
think that the leash is going to be shorter in
(31:59):
Chicago now, I do you know, will the fans turn
on them quicker? Yes? They will? You know. So all
those kind of things are just you know, what's just
happening here. And as the GM or as the head coach,
all you can do is try to put everything into
that Hey we're fine here, everything's fine here, nothing to
see the look somewhere else, right, that kind of mindset,
and it's too bad because this should be an op
(32:19):
season like you and I have talked about where I
said by based on what they've done on the offensive line,
based on what they've done overall, tight end position, wide receive.
Will know what Caleb Blame is at the end of
this year, but I don't know what he is right now.
Still we can say he's the number one pick, but
I can't say he's a franchise quarterback still based off
what he's done so far. So you know, all those
(32:40):
things should be you know, ideally you try to go
into that mindset of I'm going to prove everybody right
and be a good guy while I do it, instead
of I'm going to prove everybody right and still be
a diva.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Mark domics our guests here on the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, so Mark, help me out
with this.
Speaker 6 (33:03):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
I look at the George Pickens trade, and I think
the Cowboys got more talented. But I don't know if
they got better. Did they get better?
Speaker 8 (33:15):
So I think they did both. I think they did
get Yes, they're more talented. I mean, anybody who gets
George Pickens is more talented. It's whether you can hone
him in and get him to buy into what's going
on and for him to see because if if I
was GM there or if I certainly would be talking
aboud coach about it as well, that in this situation, George,
you realized, just being candid with you, you're a player
(33:38):
two away from this single in the wrong direction. And
so if I'm Coach Schottenheimer or I'm Will McLay right
or Stephen Jones, I want to bring George in and
just be like, George, we got your back, we traded
for you, We gave up as much as anybody would.
But you have got to just kind of like do
everything you can to be the best you you can
be and not worry about off the field, not worry
about you know, Ego understand the CDs going to catch
(34:00):
balls and there's many times you're not. Are you good
with all that? Because we can structure this thing the
right way and get through it. Because he is, He's
going to help this off tremendously because without him, you know,
Jonathan Mingo, the Jalen Brooks or the Jalen Tolberts or whatever.
You know, they're all good players, but no one's going
to give the respects he's going to get doubled up
the entire time. Now you have to make a decisions
(34:21):
defensive coordinator, and so that's going to make them better.
It's just they've got to make sure mentality wise, George
can handle being the numbers two receiver again and still
enjoy the role. Kind of allah Alvin Harper esque, like
that kind of a mindset that you're going to have
to have that kind of a brain towards Michael Irban.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Do you think he knows Alvin Harper is not a chance,
not a chance, not a chance. And if you say
nobody wants to be Robin, if somebody is in fact,
somebody's in fact Batman. When is the point of no
return for Aaron Rodgers and the Steelers?
Speaker 5 (34:56):
Uh?
Speaker 8 (34:57):
I think it's really it's probably when they depart, when
veteran mini camp is concluded. I would say that's kind
of my point of no return. So once you've gotten
to that date, to bring Aaron Rodgers in would be
number one awful for the coaching staff because that's the
one chance to get to breathe is that little bit
(35:18):
of a month before you head the camp. You got
two three weeks there Sometimes a little bit more, sometimes
little less. That's usually when coaches like they're on vacation
with their family, with their wife and if you take
that away, because well I just had to jump in
and so I want to learn about this stuff, you know,
on my time when no one's around. That's a bad
that's just selfish and it's just picks another scab off
(35:39):
the mound in my opinion. So I think he's got
to make a decision prior ideally it is prior to
the Veteran Mini Camp and then he would come into
Veteran Mini Camp, get the stuff, study on it, want
to be ready for a training camp. I think he
can be. But I think that Vettermente camp is the
drop dead.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
You know, sports radio kind of loses their mind when
the schedule comes out, and uh, you know, we don't
we kind of like being Debbie down owners inside a
front office when you're in Tampa. How much attention is
paid to the schedule and the schedule drops in terms
of your immediate day to day.
Speaker 8 (36:12):
Oh quite frankly everything. I mean as soon as I
get the call, because we would get the call from
the league office prior to the schedule drop right. So
somewhere around two or three o'clock Eastern, we would get
the call from somebody at the league office and they'd say, Okay,
here's your schedule. They'd say it to us, we'd write
it down, and then the first thing I'd do is
I go to the owner's office knock on the door. Well,
(36:34):
the first thing I do is I look at it
and say what do I like dislike about it? And why?
And then I go to the owners and sit there
and say, we've got the schedule. Here it is because
they're going to inevitably ask me, Doug, what do you
like about it? If you don't like about it? Those
kind of things. But you look at it really hard.
You look at when is my bibe? This is the
first thing I look, Well, when was the bye week?
I look for how many road games do you have
in a row? What's my longest road trip? Okay, certainly
(36:57):
one of the things you're certainly looking for is what
games do I have that are you know, standalones or
you know, what's my you know, my Thursday night, Sunday night,
Monday night game schedule? Possibly look like so all those
things tying to it. And then if you're from me
when I was in Tampa. You're looking at you know,
late November, early December or through December. What are my
cold games?
Speaker 5 (37:15):
Right?
Speaker 8 (37:15):
I mean you look at the Bucks this year and
they don't have one on their schedule whatsoever. Their coldest
game might be at Buffalo week eleven, that's in mid November.
Other than that, having being the person that still looks
at the Bucks schedule, they play at LA that would
be nice, Arizona at home, New Orleans at home, Atlanta
at home, at Carolina could be called to Miami at home,
(37:36):
Like how good is that? That's as good as schedule.
You could ask them a weather perspective. So you're looking
at all those different things.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
So yeah, very little of it is who we actually
play though, right, But that's the instant part, you know,
it's so much that it's about the setup of it,
not about who who's actually who's actually playing.
Speaker 8 (37:56):
Yeah, no, that's very fair because you don't know who's
going to be on the field that week. Worry about
it as much, exactly.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Right, Whereas in media we do the opposite. We acted
like there's these matchups, You're like, dude, you got no
idea who's healthy. It's way more all of the all
the other stuff. I'll use it. Like in college basketball, right,
we're trying to set our schedule. What is the least
that we can travel so that we have the we're
our best version of ourselves. Like that's spacing out games,
(38:22):
you know, we're not. We're beholden to the league for
our conference schedule, but a non conference schedule, there's very
few things for beholden to. You got to fit into windows.
So I completely get that one exactly. Is there a
world where Dylan Gabriel and Shador Sanders are both on
the roster for the Browns this year?
Speaker 8 (38:43):
Yes, it's kind of the Brock Party rule.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Right.
Speaker 8 (38:45):
Rock Party was mister Irrelevant, but his rookie year, he
made the fifty three man roster and played just a
little bit of preseason. But they call every day and
practice what they liked because most of the time that
guy would always go and go keep your active too,
and put one on the practice squad. But Rock pretty
played well enough internally and they saw we got to
be careful. I think, you know, Deshaun Watson, I don't
think is going to They're going to figure out something there,
(39:08):
ir or whatever. But I think there's there's a world
where all three quarterbacks can be on the fifty three.
Because you were that encouraged by you know, what should
do or did that. Maybe some of the other people
didn't get to see specifically the day to day stuff,
not the game. I mean, that's obviously important, but it's
the individuals. What's he like in the meetings, what's he
like in terms of practice, tempo, habits, leadership, All those
(39:29):
things we're looking for could get him as a spot
on the fifty three as well. And there's no reason
why he can't be number two that he couldn't be
that Don Gabriel in my.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Opinion, Mark, great stuff as always, man, have a great weekend.
Thanks so much for joining us. We'll talk to you
next week.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Wound good.
Speaker 8 (39:43):
Doug enjoyed it. Thanks you all right.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
That's our guy, Mark Dominic joining us in the Doug
Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio.
Host
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