May 22, 2025 • 49 mins
On a Thursday edition of the Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug talks about the Knicks' historic collapse in game one of the Eastern Conference Finals to the Pacers and why he is comfortable calling it a choke job.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Not that coast, but I am on a shoreline, but
Sherman Oaks and Green Bay all together in this mix.
Welcome in. We can talk about whether that was the
greatest comeback of all time or just the most recent
great comeback. How much of it was a choke job.
There's a lot to get to, but I do feel
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like Charles Barkley nailed it last night, as he has
tendency to do. Where he was just like, how great
a job do we have where we get to talk
about just this unbelievable game. It was a great basketball
game that had an unreal finish, actually had a remarkable
finish twice over right, because you had the comeback in
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regulation and then the win in overtime, both by the
Indiana Pacers. Uh, and you had the choke by the
by the Knicks in regulation and some mismanagement of the
clock and game situation in overtime. So bunch to get
to by my colleagues, Dan Byer, Jay stew Iowa, Sam
all in the fold, all in the mix. We've all
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watched the game, and that's what we're going to talk about.
So here's what I want to do, guys. Okay, here's
what I'll do. There's other parts to it we can
get to, you know where Aaron Nasmith started to make
some shots. But the heart of it is fifty one
seconds to go and the Pacers are up one twenty one,
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one twelve. I meancuse to be the Knicks are up
uh one twenty one one twelve. Start up nine points
with fifty two seconds to go. Now full disclosure, I'm
watching this as a basketball coach and I've lived some
of this. We had a couple of collapses Youngstown State
at home, Oakland at home, and there's a lot of similarities.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Right.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
We didn't have a turnover against Oakland, had turnovers against Youngstown,
and we lost big leads and lost games late. Michigan
Tech at home up thirteen. Right, all these things have happened.
So I want to talk through those last fifty one
seconds and kind of get some of your guys thoughts.
I'll share some of my thoughts on how I'm watching it.
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You guys okay with that? Again, We're all okay with that?
Al right. So again, this is last night's game. If
you missed it, you missed it. The Nicks reps seventeen
in the fourth quarter nine with fifty two seconds to go.
Let's start with the first cut into that nine point lead.
Here's the call with the Pacers down one, twenty one,
one twelve.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Hea Smith three card, another one from outside, and now
it is a six point game again under a minute ago.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Wid is right there.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Pressure by the.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
Pacers, Towns bridges times to the whole Smith again free,
got it. Here's a frame forward, five point game time out,
taken thirty four seconds to go. Wow, five consecutive threes
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for Nie Smith.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Crazy right. The first thing is okay? The first three,
now it's I do think the Knicks sort of stopped playing.
I think they sort of stopped playing first because that
first three that he hit. Remember, you're up nine points.
You can it's mathematically, you probably should foul there. You
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probably should would foul there. And you're like, why, Okay,
remember at that point he'd made three consecutive threes. If
you foul with fifty seconds to go on the ground,
whoever you foul, they it'll still be a three possession game.
And you get the ball in bounds, you get fouled yourself.
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You got a chance to get it right back to nine. Okay. Now,
when you're up nine, most people are not thinking, hey,
we want to protect this lead and be at a
and be at a and and oh yeah, by the way,
it went from nine to six to eight. When you're
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up eight, you can also foul. It's not a three
possession game. It'd be a two possession game. But the
first thing is, there is a world where mathematically they
tell you, the analytics tell you you're up nine under
a minute, you foul because what happens is best case
scenario for them. They make both three throws, it's still
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a three possession game. Right, they make one out of two, Right,
they make zero out of two. Now you're no blood.
And if they make both, it's seven. You throw it in.
You get fouled. And again remember in the NBA, you
get two shots. Even if you'll make one, it's at eight.
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But giving up two consecutive three point shots, and they
got progressively more difficult. But the first one he came
off a little. It's called top to top hand off.
And og Nanobi's nowhere to be found. He's just late.
That's where I think the Knicks just stopped playing.
Speaker 6 (05:40):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
And here's where og kind of screwed up. There was
a bounce pass from Jalen Brunson to Ognobi where it
slipped out of his hands trying to go up for
a dunk, and then he grabbed it back into the
last second. The call was eventually overturned. Here here's the call.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Bridges zing bound, cutting Brunson inside bottle the ball.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
Oh, they'll challenge this, they will, absolutely, they have to
challenge it.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
It was a loose ball.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
That's exactly what coach Carlisle is saying. So that gets overturned.
Right now, it's a it's a five point game, and
Nie Smith again makes a three.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
He'smith, it's a three. What's a two point game? Oh,
it's a two point game. Were twenty two seconds to.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Go, and of course Carl Anthony Towns misses one of
two three throws, and you'll never guess who hits his
sixth consecutive three.
Speaker 7 (06:42):
Runs him to windbound on the ball.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
You do, and it's picked up by Heart.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
Now bruns Him splits to They try and flies Feeds.
Park is ticking.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
There's a tough and.
Speaker 6 (06:56):
Fall on Towns. Wow.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
You turnover on inbounds.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
It looked like Josh Hart was going down.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Josh harten my wig of his shoes.
Speaker 8 (07:06):
He slipped ome min great recovery there by Heart and
then he slipped on offfense.
Speaker 6 (07:14):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
And then after the Nie Smith three Ognanobi takes the pous.
Now again it's a one point game.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
One point game, hard to inbound Funson's got it. Oh
throws it away but picked up right there an andob and.
Speaker 7 (07:31):
Quickly fouled Vi siakam.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
Wow, what a mythed opportunity there by Indiana Wow.
Speaker 8 (07:38):
New York very close to a couple of turnovers here.
At the end of the game. Brunson just gets up
off of his feet and throws the boll. Tries to
throw it.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Off Nie Smith.
Speaker 8 (07:48):
I think Anonobe nce recovery.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Okay, so oj Andobi who uh missed some defense to
some defensive coverages. The ball slips out of his hands
on a layup where he could have shot faked. He
gets it back, he loses the ball. Then he steps
up and he only makes one out of two. So
it's a two point game, end of regulation. Here's what happens.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Two point game, Indiana with it.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Helliver, don't take it.
Speaker 7 (08:25):
He'll back bet on a free from the.
Speaker 8 (08:43):
I gotta make sure he got all the way behind
the line.
Speaker 7 (08:46):
That's right.
Speaker 8 (08:47):
He certainly got it off in three of time.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Oh, I think that's a two that goes in.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
That's gonna be a two.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
That only ties the game.
Speaker 7 (08:57):
That ties the game, we're.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Gonna be going overtime.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Unbelieve he tried to give right so that those calls
uh via TNT. There's a lot to dig into. Tyre's
Haliburton going in for a layup. He gets picked up
a great defensive player to pick him up. He back
pedals back, tribbles back, and chucks the three while just
barely being on the line. It goes to overtime, and
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then the Pacers win the game in overtime. I've seen
a lot I've I haven't seen it like that. Uh
it took a special shooting performance by Aaron Nasmith, It
took an unbelievable play bounce and amount of intelligence by
Tyrese Haliburton. And what's craziest is yes og and Obi
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thought three different possessions choked on the play. But Jalen
Brunson wasn't great either, right, could have thrown that basketball
away two times. Josh Hart fell down in guarding Naysmith,
one time coming off the screen, and then nearly fell
down on and slipped on the inbounds play. There's a
lot of blame to go around. I heard Colin say
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the Knicks didn't choke. Look at the shot making by
the Pacers, Like, I don't know what to tell you,
but if you turn the ball over, if you missed
two out of four free throws down the stretch, and
if you don't cover an elite three point shooter who
makes six consecutive threes, I don't know what else you
would call it. That was absolutely an obscene choke job.
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Now does it have to have elements of a comeback?
And the confidence of the pacers and the way they
play because they don't panic, right, It wasn't like they
came down the court and just jack threes with a
hand in their face, falling away and made miracle shots.
Those are off of set plays, quick hitters, and they
all worked. But they've been down before and they don't change,
they don't freak out. So there is a lot of
skill that goes with it. But if you're the New
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York Dicks, you have to win those games at that game.
Have to win that game, have to have to. The
only saving grace is one they've had their own comebacks, right,
so maybe it's karma working out their own comebacks against
the Knicks twice two We've seen the Oklahoma City Thunder
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choke away a game in similar sort of fashion Game
one against Nuggets came back and won the series, So
there is a we have seen teams overcome it in
the past, but that's as devastating a way to lose
a game as as I can think of. Byer, what
just give me? You watch, you've processed, you've thought go.
Speaker 9 (11:38):
So I actually, Doug think it goes back to when
they had the lead at around two minutes or so.
The Knicks and Jalen Brunson had hit a three previously
on a trip down but ended up shooting another three,
and then Karl Anthony Towns chucked up another three, where
I felt, at any point you get a basket at
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that point point, maybe the Pacers kind of wave the
white flag.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
They ended up not doing so.
Speaker 9 (12:05):
On one occasion they got a three, and then the
next occasion, Siakam made a free throw got fouled. But
I figured if they got any bucket in that situation
that it's probably the end of the game. But ultimately,
the play that I think cost them the most was
the og An Andobe fumble underneath the basket, because it
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is a sure bucket go up seven twenty nine seconds left,
instead he botches it. Not only does do you not
get the points, you then give the ball to Indiana,
which then continues the whole string of it. But if
you go up seven at that point with twenty nine
left to go, I mean, I just I think that
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I think that's pretty good spot to be in. And
considering it was point blank range and just not being
able to grab the ball, I don't.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Think it was a good pass. Okay, And again one
of the flaws to Jalen Brunson, and and when I
say this, you know people who don't know basketball will
be like you're a heater, like Jalen Brunson is literally
my favorite player in the NBA. But he's not an
elite passer. It's not actually what he does. He's not
an elite passer. He can pass, but he's a he's
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a scoring point who can pass, a not a guy
who creates shots for others. So it wasn't a particularly
good pass. And it is one of those where you
drive in if you just throw it to the rim,
he catches it and he dunks it whatever. So instead
you play kind of classic Villanova jumpstop basketball. Great efficient,
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not a great pass, but an og Nobi lost the
basketball and the only thing you can think of there
is it's nerves, right, you're trying to get it up
quick balls out of your hands.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
The same with it with the Bucks.
Speaker 9 (13:54):
Remember when Gary Trent was so great at the end
and then he just had the ball go through his
leg twice like it was but the one throw his legs,
you're just like, wait a second, what is this? And
this was the one where you're right at the basket
and for some reason you can't reel it in at
that point. I mean, there were we could make an
argument for all of those plays that you made, I
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just felt for some reason that one was the one
to me that stood out as the one that that.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
You, well, here's the thing, here's the thing. Like again,
and I'm not saying the Nova guys were perfect, but
we all make the assumption that these are grown men,
they're professionals, they're the best in the world, that they
don't get rattled og and Andobi was rattled. He was rattled,
right there's the video of him and kar Anthony Town's
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yelling at each other on the bench right before that.
He was rattled. He has never been that situation before.
And he absolutely choked in that position. And again I'm
admitting it wasn't a perfect pass. But when you combine
the fact that he was laid on a switch and
it was a Nate Smith three with the fact that
he missed one out of two free throws where he
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makes both free throws, game sead match and he drops
the ball. As you point out at the rim, they're
up five, that's up seven, game seat match. This is
it's classic man in the arena stuff. You ask anybody
they watched, they'd be like, yeah, he kind of blew
that game. I blew that game.
Speaker 9 (15:24):
I mean, Haliburton was magnificent, Nie Smith was unworldly. But
the Pacers just they may have looked frantic, but they
didn't look like they were they ever panicked. And in
just in those situations it may have been a little
helter skelter, but my goodness, they had a plan. And
then when the Knicks needed to make shots dug in overtime.
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They jumped out to the lead in overtime and gave
it back. And then when they needed to make shots,
they couldn't do it. You couldn't make one. Brunts and missed,
Cat missed. I think it was brunts in on the
out of bounds, you know, the pass out to the
wing that the flex off of. I think it was
maybe Nemhard hit it and then it went off of
Brunson's hand and turn over.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
There. Just unbelievable lack of execution by the Knicks.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Crazy, absolutely crazy, Jay Stu Again, I know you don't
profess yourself as a purveyor of breaking down basketball games,
but in terms of chokes, comebacks, however you want to like,
it happens. So I will tell you being on the sideline,
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having been on the other side, of some of those
I watched last night, and I swear to God, I
said this last night was God Once next year I
got to be on the other side of one of
these because it happened so fast, and sometimes there's sometimes
there's nothing you can do. As a coach. You can
tell them what to do, just like, just do this,
you win the game. And if one guy doesn't do
it and they hit a three, like you know all
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the planning in the world. But Jay Stu, where is
this one in your pantheon of choke jobs? Come whatever
you want to turn it.
Speaker 10 (17:01):
I'm just going to offer up some stats.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Guys.
Speaker 10 (17:03):
You know me, I'm I'm less interested about what happened
than how it was covered. And it seemed like even
the people that are most uncomfortable using the word choke,
we're using it in the wake of what happened last night.
Uh Cowherd saying it wasn't a choke. He's a true
outlier if that's what he said and he did. I'm
going to offer you two stats. Dan, you wanted to
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go back to like the three minute mark, right, you know,
in the history of the NBA and the playoffs, the
team that is trailing by fourteen points with two point
fifty left is zero in nine hundred and seventy and
now they're one in nine hundred and seventy. I'm going
to offer you this, since you wanted to start at
fifty seconds, Doug, going into last night's game, in the
history of the NBA Playoffs, teams that were up nine
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with fifty seconds left were uh one thousand, four hundred
and fourteen and zero, and now they're one, four hundred
and fourteen and one. I think those two stats are
empirical evidence that this was the largest choke job in
the history of the NBA Playoffs, and that can't be disputed.
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So I'm not going to be talked off that ledge.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
I don't expect you to. I appreciate that number is
so alarming, like that game should be over, and I
get why you didn't foul up nine. You're like, it's
never happened before, but it's one of those where you
eliminate with a foul up nine, you eliminate the ability
to make it a two possession game, a two possession game.
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Speaker 4 (19:28):
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Speaker 1 (19:32):
Ironically, the year is nineteen ninety four. Why is it
ironically nineteen ninety four. Well, that was the last time
the Knicks we're in the NBA finals. Of course I
know that because that was the year the OJ Chase
that's my most notable nineteen ninety four things. When I
saw Jase two you put out the year, I thought,
this makes sense, with the exception of the fact that
the Knicks choked last night, and I guess they did
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choke in game seven of that of that finals as well.
Speaker 10 (19:56):
Thank you, Doug. I'll take it from here and you
just sam up the feature. I will try to regurgitate
what you just said in my DJ voice. So nineteen
ninety four, I want all of our listeners and the
members of the show to take yourselves back to nineteen
ninety four. I personally was a junior in college. Yes,
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that dates me, but I was very alive and alerted
to the fact that the Nicks and Pagers were playing
in the Eastern Conference finals. That was the finals where
Reggie Miller was doing the famous choke sign to Spike
Lee that was mirrored last night by Tyrese Haliburton. Also,
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the year that nineteen ninety four NBA Finals was the
Rockets and Knicks. The first year without Michael Jordan in
the league in quite some time, so it was basically
a battle for who could win when Jordan was out
of the league. The Rockets took the mantle, or maybe
took the trophy off the mantle. I don't even know
what the cliche is there, but nobody remembers that finals
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because everybody remembers the OJ Simpson supposed to be Chase
and the finals and absolutely, What a year to be alive, Dan,
What do you remember most from that year?
Speaker 6 (21:15):
So?
Speaker 9 (21:15):
And I I had some other stuff in my ear.
The Knicks also made the finals in ninety nine, the
NBA Finals, right, So that was correct, just okay, But
this was the Pacers. Knicks in the nineteen ninety four
Eastern Conference Finals. Sportswise college basketball, Arkansas cut down the Nets,
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Scotti Thurman and the Hogs end up beating Duke in
that national championship game led by Grant Hill in that
scenario then led to an NBA draft where the Milwaukee
Bucks had the number one overall pick and took Glenn
Big Dog Robinson, leaving Jason Kidd to go to the
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Mavericks and then the aforementioned Hill to the Detroit Pistons.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
There's your NBA nineteen ninety four, right, People forget nineteen
ninety four. Weird year for a lot of other sports,
a lot of other things going on. Wasn't that the
year that the Rams and Raiders had both moved?
Speaker 2 (22:26):
You'd tell me.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
I think it was. Niners won the Super Bowl. But
the ninety four season, ninety four season was maybe the
last year of the Raiders at home. I can't seem
or remember which it was, but again I remember as
they're with their franchise that they were the Oakland Raiders. Yes,
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last year of the LA Raiders, the last year of
the LA Rams as well. The Raiders moved back to Oakland. Ironically, right,
they moved to because the stadium commission promised them that
they would redo the Colisseum Coliseum was never redone. They
moved back to the Oakland Coliseum where they were promised
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this upper deck and all these new suites, which they got,
but it became an absolute eye sore, never sold in baseball,
not great for football either, and ultimately they left Oakland
because of That's right, the stadium that was never up
to standards of the rest of the Nation Football League.
Speaker 10 (23:34):
You're probably thinking, who won Major League Baseball's World Series.
The answer is nobody, and it's a shameful act that
Baseball canceled the World Series. They canceled most of the
last part of their season. Many things to think about
during that nine to four season. Remember, there had just
been an expansion year of the year before, so the
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pitching was deluded. We had Tony Gwynn going after four
hundred and had Ken Griffy and Mark McGuire and these
types going after sixty home runs numbers that were being
put up that didn't really have anything to do with steroids,
just the deluted talent. The Expos were the best team
in baseball when everything shut down, and a lot of
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people say the Expos were robbed of their only championship
nineteen ninety four.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Nineteen ninety four. In golf, Dan Barro, what was it?
Speaker 9 (24:30):
Well, it's funny because that documentary on the OJ Chase
and everything that happened that day. It was also highlighted
that it was Arnold Palmer's final round at the US Open,
playing it in Darneer, his backyard, not far from Latrobe, Pennsylvania,
but at Oakmont Country Club just outside of Pittsburgh, which,
by the way, is going to host the US Open
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coming up again in a couple of weeks. But that
US Open was won by one Ernie Els, so the
first of two US Opens from Ernie La that year.
That was in nineteen ninety four, the Masters winner, the
first of two Masters championships for Jose Maria Oltabo, one
of the more fun names to say, the fable fobble
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Jose Maria Oletabo.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
He went again in eighteen ninety nine.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Wasn't it a dual national championship year in college football?
I want to say it.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Was nineteen ninety four.
Speaker 11 (25:28):
I believe the Nebraska Cornhuskers reigned supreme.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Yeah, that's what I thought.
Speaker 11 (25:33):
Eighty seven was Michigan in Nebraska.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Isn't it so well?
Speaker 9 (25:37):
I think he was thinking, were you thinking Penn State Nebraska?
Was that Penn State went undefeated in the nineteen ninety
four fall.
Speaker 11 (25:47):
I believe that Penn State counts their last national championship
in eighty six, something I checked on.
Speaker 9 (25:52):
But that was the Kerrie Collins Kajana Carter year. And
again it's why, as an Ohio State fan do not
like to predict games. Because I was popping off at
school all that week. I was in high school. The
fall was my senior year of high school, nineteen ninety four,
but I was saying that Ohio State was going to
go to Happy Valley and run rough shot over those
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Nitney Lions. And the final score from Happy Valley Penn
State sixty three, Ohio State fourteen. Penn State was a
juggernaut that year, unstoppable.
Speaker 10 (26:26):
And the fact checked here at Nebraska defeated Miami and
the Orange Bowl to be the nineteen ninety four college
football champion.
Speaker 9 (26:34):
Penn State was undefeated that year. They beat Oregon in
the Rose Bowl on you know, January nineteen ninety five.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
But yeah, that was Penn State.
Speaker 9 (26:43):
That was a That was a That was the Terry
Bounden Auburn year as well. Oh no, that was nineteen
ninety four.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Was that? That was ninety four? That was okay, I
was supposed to I was supposed to visit Auburn. They
were undefeated, but they were on probation, so they didn't
go right's right and go to a bowl game.
Speaker 9 (26:57):
And then later on it was like the Jason Campbell
was in that like Auburn in like two thousand and
four or something like that.
Speaker 11 (27:02):
Cadillac Williams yeah something, yeah, running back brown yep.
Speaker 10 (27:06):
Dan brings up the the OJ Simpson documentary, which I
very much, I very much recommend everybody watched at the
ESPN one, the original ESPN one, And in that documentary
you are reminded not only was there a slow speed
chase during the NBA Finals, damn, but I want to
say there was a ticker tape parade for the New
York Rangers. If I'm not mistaken, that's correct, and Mark
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Messier was the was the big name on that team.
And I remember they they asked Mark Messier one day
at the locker room, what do you listen to to
get kind of in a mood for these high level,
high leverage games, and he said, I'm just going to
play it for you. Let's go.
Speaker 9 (27:49):
So this is this that is that is not true.
What I can tell you is this though in nineteen
ninety four, because I am a huge Tony Braxton, I
know he wasn't listening to it because I was listening
to this as I had tonselitis and then came down
with mono and was stricken to a hotel room in Knoxville, Tennessee.
I touched on college basketball a little bit earlier. I've
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told you guys that when I was in high school,
I was lucky enough. My mom is like our spring
break trips would take us to NCAA tournament games. I
got sick before the regional final in Knoxville, Tennessee that
had Purdue, as I mentioned, that had Duke. As I
mentioned before, Kansas and Marquette were also in that region,
and I just remember sitting in a bathtub in Knoxville, Tennessee,
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with this song in my head because I just again
love Tony Braxton, lover music and breathe again just I
think of I go right back to nineteen ninety four
when I hear this song, and.
Speaker 10 (28:49):
This was for those listeners thinking, is this the same
year that in the same song that broke up the Mavericks,
As Jimmy Jason Kidd and Jimmy Jefs have thought over
Tony Braxton.
Speaker 9 (28:58):
My favorite basketball player, are brought in to this drama.
Jj is always denied that he was a part of
that stooped yes fraction fire.
Speaker 11 (29:10):
I'm just imagining Dan Byer in a bathtub with candles
lit and bubbles or just sick as a dog, just
as I want.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
To imagine he just man that way, Sam, I don't
just okay you do you booth?
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Do you?
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Nineteen ninety four? In movies? In nineteen ninety four movies?
What have I said? My Did I no beat you.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
That? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Yeah, there you go? And I know everything. There is
no bunch shrimping business. You can brol it bullets, I'll
tell you, or base it right. Oh, when's that.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Forrest Gump.
Speaker 11 (29:48):
But Forrest Gump, can I have this? I just gotta
play it. I'm sorry, Yeah, I just got to do it. Man,
that's good stuff.
Speaker 10 (30:05):
This reminds me. Oh, anybody who calls the latest rendition
of this story the live action version of Lion King.
It's not live action. They don't have animals actually acting
and speaking English. It's not live action.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
It's live to tape.
Speaker 6 (30:25):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
You guys know, you guys know that. I'm a huge
Tom Clancy guy. Clear and Present Danger was the top
ten movie that year, right, Harrison Ford?
Speaker 11 (30:40):
Was that the one Will and Dafoe in It is
one of the Oh no, I'm thinking of what's the
one of all the Marines go down to like Columbia.
It's another Tom Clancy one, isn't it where Will depose
like the chickens in the pot and then they blow
up the Yeah that's that one.
Speaker 6 (30:53):
Is that?
Speaker 2 (30:53):
It? Great movie? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Yeah, William Devote James Earl Jones is the head of
the CIA, So yeah, that's that's the same one. Dumb
and Dumber that year. Just when I think you couldn't
do anything dumber, you do this and completely reneem yourself.
Oh yeah, Speed also that year, right, it was kind
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of the height of Sandra Bullock Speed.
Speaker 11 (31:22):
Oh no, she was just getting her career started there.
She had a lot of big movies after that.
Speaker 10 (31:27):
That was her launching point.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Her launch was her launch.
Speaker 11 (31:33):
Would like Launch is so good?
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Would like Blindside be a part of her peak? Didn't know?
Speaker 1 (31:38):
That's that's no, No, I think that's on the descent.
Speaker 10 (31:40):
That was her Academy award, that was the Yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
That was her descent she had.
Speaker 11 (31:46):
Don't you think, I have no idea if you went
an Oscar it's kind of a yeah, it's.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Kind of a high point. I would say.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
She had.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
She had.
Speaker 11 (31:55):
She had a lot of big movies. I think that
because she was a relative unknown before Speed. I remember
they like the way they found her. I read about
the making of the movie.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Is she was?
Speaker 10 (32:04):
She was not? She was not a big name. I
remember she did Speed and they got a ton of
money to do a movie called The Net. Oh yeah, yeah,
talk about a movie that doesn't hold up. Don't watch
it right now.
Speaker 11 (32:15):
It's like a psychological thriller about the Internet, Internet stocking,
this upcoming thing called the Internet. Al Gore was talking
about it.
Speaker 10 (32:25):
I can't believe we've gone that eight movies deep and
we haven't mentioned one of the greatest movies of all time.
It's really disappointing that Pulp Fiction has not been mentioned
yet one of the greatest and if you haven't seen it,
shame on you. Dan Barr, I saw it in like
three segments. Oh okay.
Speaker 11 (32:44):
It's kind of how the movie split up into like
little little vignettes.
Speaker 10 (32:47):
Right. I'm trying to think of what's on the list
of things we've told Doug our Dan to watch and
how he's prioritized it in his queue and never watched them.
Like you're like, I got to get to the Godfather
of got to get to pulp Fiction.
Speaker 9 (33:04):
Pulp Fiction was a movie that was assigned within the
Doug Gottlieb Show. I think it's the only homework that
I've done. I truly believe that there have been other
movies mentioned that have just gone by the wayside.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
But I was able to consume Pulp Fiction.
Speaker 9 (33:20):
And I did consume Top Gun, but it was on CBS,
so there were like eighty seven commercial breaks because they
stretched it out to a three hour window, so it
was really long.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
That would be the other one.
Speaker 11 (33:32):
Dan just please don't watch pulp fiction around your son.
It's not fore I've seen it, so I've seen it,
but it just I won't.
Speaker 10 (33:40):
Yeah, don't do that. There was another movie that happened
that year, Doug No, it came out the year before.
Oh check it. But yes, this song was the biggest
song of the movie.
Speaker 11 (33:53):
Let's go.
Speaker 10 (33:57):
So so before the before the show, we're going over
stuff to do on the show today, and I said,
let's play this song. And as I'm in the middle
of saying, this is one of the cheesiest songs ever made,
samdblurts out, I love this song.
Speaker 11 (34:14):
I love this song. Sting, Sir Rod Stewart and Ryan Adams.
They all get around together around a piano. They all
like meet up like on a Sunday for this music video.
And this was The Three Musketeers, which came out in
ninety three, one of my favorite movies as a kid.
Great cast, Tim Curry. You know you guys can look
it up.
Speaker 6 (34:33):
Well.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
It's also iconic rap song. Okay, iconic rap song, but
it comes from a movie. What that was the year
that Regulate came out, right, Warren, g Regulate Regulators mount
up right? Oh if you know anything about nineties rap
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slash hip hop. That Warren G song is an anthem?
Is an anthem, isn't it?
Speaker 11 (35:00):
I think that was sampled by Jason See what I'm looking.
Speaker 10 (35:05):
At you Michael McDonald And there I'm looking at yes, well,
sampled by Warren G. But it was originally made by
Sorry I man, yeah, Original Brothers or Michael McDonald. I'm
not sure Classic gotrock?
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Is that keep forgetting?
Speaker 3 (35:19):
That is?
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Uh, don't call it a throwback.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
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nearly lost, and he backs up and unloads. AP three
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It's one thing to hit a game winner or a
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back when he's with the nets where his toe is
on the line. It's another thing for it to hit
the back rim, go up in the air, even more drama,
and then go in. Ryan Hollins joins us tenure NBA VET.
He's the voice of the Houston Rockets circolo analyst on
the TV side in the regular season. He's also our
Fox Sports Radio NBA analyst. And Ryan, how would you
characterize last night's win by the Pacers breaking?
Speaker 6 (36:43):
Huh, freaking breaking. When when you're the team, it's different, Doug,
We've been there before. When you're the team that is
the the hunter, it's different. And I picked the Pacers
in the series. I've been talking about him for a
(37:05):
while now. And when you're the hunt Hed, it's different.
This series New York is a hunt Hed and it's
a bad matchup because the Pacers move the ball. They
move it and when the game gets tight, they still
move to basketball. Now, Doug, you know what we do
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in the locker room. In this situation, You're gonna assume
that Tibbs today is gonna meet and the one thing
they're gonna watch is probably the last five minutes in overtime.
And what you're gonna see is brunts and one on
one cat, one on one, brunts and one on one cat,
one on one. And when you look on the other side,
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you're gonna see kick ahead, You're gonna see nim Hard
wide open. You're gonna see a ball movement. You're gonna
see Ali Burton getting in the lane. You're gonna see
the pace is running offense and wearing New York down.
And it wasn't necessarily a big, huge meltdown like New
York didn't just sucked the game like Tat miss the
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free throw. Maybe it's like turnover here and there. The
game wasn't punched. This is a possession by possession walkdown
or Indiana hit shots that they had been hitting all
playoffs along.
Speaker 5 (38:23):
Doug.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
I get it. I know they look. I mean, I
know they've been hitting shots. They've been playing this way.
But the Knicks missing two out of four free throws.
I thought Og clearly blowing an assignment there on a
little top to top hand off and the ball slipping
out of his hands when a dunk or layup wins
wins the game up five like like, like you said, backbreaking, backbreaking?
(38:48):
How do you come back from this? How do you
gather yourself and go like, hey, we're good, don't worry,
we're good here. If you're the.
Speaker 6 (38:55):
Nicks, it's it's a mentality scene. And then Nick they
are a tough team. It's a tough group. I think
the big challenge is that just a mental toughness and understanding.
And when we saw Indiana, I knew there is good
this year earlier, you know, when our Rockets went over
there and played them. But it's the multiple actions that
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you have to guard. Bibbs likes to pressure the basketball,
likes to be tough, likes to you know, put bodies
on Halliburton and people like that. It's a strategic thing
because they mentally wore down and you're talking about the
mistakes defensively at a certain point, when you got to
guard Doug, what are we what thirty to fifty dribble
(39:37):
handoff actions thirty to fifty cuts and then you got
to score. On the other end, they're getting worred down.
You got to play campaign this series, dude, you got
to go eight deep if your TIBs because guess what
Rick Carlile is. These are mental errors. These are fatigue errors,
These are emotional errors. The Knicks are good enough. They
just beat the Celtics, and they were beating them before
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Jason Tatum got hurt. These are mental errors. So you're
gonna have to trust your bench or you're gonna have
to play some zone. You're gonna have to slow things down,
and you're gonna have to really really buckle down and
understand where you're the team that came back down twenty right,
You're the team that was machismo and doing all the
things and flushing part of a champion. They do what
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you do. Jonathan says, to set this ball player, he
might not be able to jump over folkook Doug Right,
guess what they got. They got three Bronston's on the
other high on the side. They got them hard. Nick
Hart don't jump. He plays. He plays like Brunton does,
just a lower version of it. Ali Burton ain't making
All Airports team He's skin is around. He knows how
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to play the game. TJ McConnell, you would pick him
out of the lineup walking down the streets, you, Doug,
You walk right by TJ McConnell. Okay, So you gotta
go through these guys that play your style of that
basketball confidence against you in your house, and you gotta
finish the game. You gotta be tougher and when you
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get up, you gotta punish Indiana, bro, because if you
didn't learn anything, they'll walk you down. And all those
actions and all those shots maybe they were missing earlier
when they started hitting them.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
You better believe.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Steug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the
voice of Ryan Hollins. Okay, let's get to tonight's game.
How do you guard Shay Gildas Alexander and pressure him
without fouling him.
Speaker 6 (41:39):
You got to be incredibly disciplined against Shae and the
challenge when you play Shay and Williams and even more Shae,
you gotta be prepared for the bump. Everything he does
is predicated up the bump. So you're gonna hit you
one two step back, one two drive read one two
handed a cookie jar foul. We saw it with James Harden,
we saw it with DeMar Jarrow's and normally these guys
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like Brunson and Shaye, when they give the situations, they're
not as effective. But Shay's completely stayed effective. I'm daring
somebody else to beat me on boxes and elbows. I'm
making them pick. And he's a tough cover because he
works from wary, works on the top of the key
and then he gets downhill so when you run doubles,
he can look at you. So I'm sitting on that
now and I'm going to force the contested hard close
(42:23):
up and I'm sending you into my health. Now. The
problem is on the other side, and Doug, we talked
about this. Minnesota's offense ain't gonna be good enough. They
playoff energy, They play off tallent and you're not gonna
out energy. Okay, See at their game. They have the
best on ball defenders in the league. They play together.
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They're small, but they man. They dove better than anybody.
They move on the string. You know how We're talking
about Indiana and ball movement and all that. They move
defensively with the ball. They moved together with the balls.
If you're Minnesota. You almost gotta slow things down. You
got to play bigger sign. You got to throw the
ball into Rudy Gobarrett when he has a mismatch. And
(43:04):
I'm gonna tell you something else. If you don't attack
check Holme Grin and you don't get physical with chet
hol Gren, serious is over. The only way that you
beat Oklahoma City is not just stop in shape. You
have to attack Check because now they got to pivot
to another place where they have to go. And that's
why the Nuggets gave him so many problems because you
couldn't dare put Chet on Yokich and you you damn
(43:27):
near putt put them on Aaron Gorton. And if Aaron
Gorton doesn't pull a hamstring, we're talking about member moving forward.
But if you can't attack Chet.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
The other part to it is when Anthony Evers has
the ball, they're playing so deep into the gaps right
that you can't you can't get to the basket. How
would you He talked about playing off the basketball more,
which I like as well. How do you think how
else do you think you combat that type of almost
college like loading defense?
Speaker 6 (44:00):
How to get out and get in transition. I agree
with putting him off the basketball. And the one thing is,
you know, you got to get your best shooters. You
got to get guys in positions where they can where
they can hit shots, and you got to trust them
because that's going to like clear the nail. One thing
we used to do in Boston. You know, Doc was
really big on getting the help off the nail. So
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if you had a two guy loaded side, we'd always
cut through off the nails just so that help wouldn't
be there. And you gotta be really tricky about the
way you do it. Maybe you post ant, get him
in the mid post, maybe play them off the elbow
so that mail health is a little harder. You force
guys that have to commit more. And the thing about
Aunt is you gotta scheme it. Okay, Finch is gonna
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have to scheme him open right now because when all
do respect, he doesn't have the idea. Not that he's
not a great basketball player, not that he's not excellent
one on one, but he doesn't manipulate the game. Yet
he scores that he don't manipulate it. So you know,
Finch is going to have to be creative. And they're
gonna have to build Brian defensively, and again like that
talked about, he's gonna have to get Rudy one or
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two layups or get a wide open three for nas
Reed or Devincenzo or some of those guys. And now
that clears the nail up. But if I'm okayc budging
off the nail and it's something the Lakers did. But
the Lakers were so slow, Doug. You saw it like
they couldn't even rotate to the second and third pass.
So they kind of show a wall to Edwards and
then there was no efforts after that.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
Yeah, it was kind of crazy, really really really crazy
on how they guarded, and you know, they dared other
Minnesota players to beat them and they were unable unable
to do so. Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Hey, okay,
so who's most likely to come back in this series?
I know only one game in and usually we go
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at one game?
Speaker 6 (45:52):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (45:53):
But because of how backbreaking Game one was for the Knicks,
and because of you know, the thought that at the
Oklahoma City looks like a bad matchup for Minnesota, who's
more likely to come back and make it and do
a quality series.
Speaker 6 (46:08):
New York the horrible matchup for the Wolves. They're too similar,
like like like Anthony Edwards right now has to out
athletic you out one on one you or or Julius
Randalls Downhill and he's been pretty damn good these playoffs
and you're not gonna be okayc like that. You're gonna
beat him inside. And that's the that's the problem with
the Wolves. It's a horrible matchup. Horrific matchup. Uh in
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New York has a much better shot. That team has
too much character. Un They're two talented, too much fight
to just go away. But they're gonna have to. And
it's weird We're talking about how great Brunston is is
finishing games. They're gonna have to be fresh, you know,
They're gonna have to kind of find a way to
slow down the Pacers and then you gotta you gotta
(46:54):
find a way to finish better. And and again I
don't think you're one on one beats their Baltimore and
that's going to be the story the day. But I
would be very surprised if New York just rolls over
and goes away. I don't I don't see that team
with how how they played and how tough they are
and how talented to do that.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
I agree with you, but man, that's gotta be a
tough one to come back from. That's that. That was
a hard one.
Speaker 6 (47:21):
You haven't seen anything like that. I didn't get to
ask you, Doug. Have you ever in the history of
basketball seen in a two point game the guy dribbles
to the rain in lock up? You know, you plached,
that's what it looked like a horse shotter like you know,
you played knockout, like knockout and a guy dribbled back
and hit a three like that.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
No, I mean, look, we we we lost the game
up up five eighteen seconds ago with the ball. So,
I mean, I've I've I saw some stuff this year
that I've never seen before. But no, I've never seen
Tyris Helbert and like, look he had a layup right
and then and the knicks, you know, so he had
a layup and then all of a sudden the nick switch,
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which is a smart switch, and then he just backtorubles
into a third. Like no, I've never stapp before. That
was like something doing a video that you do that
on two K You don't do that in real life.
Speaker 6 (48:12):
That's can I say Cohnah's on Fox Sports Radio is
that's yah word you got? You gotta have some calahonahs
in it in a two point game in the garden
and take that shot like that, that's crazy, like in
like the first thing runs through my mind, do you
work on that shot?
Speaker 1 (48:33):
Like?
Speaker 6 (48:34):
Do you work on that shot? And and and it's
almost like I don't know if he knew what he's
doing or he just improvised it, but the footwork to
throw out to like and he hit the shot first Cleveland,
so you can't say he just pulled it out of
his out of thin air like the kahonahs. For for
Halliburton to make that play in the garden, everything against
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you backs against the wall. Your dad's kicked out of
the playoff. Like it's like the dude's is the diamond wallow?
Speaker 1 (49:06):
Incredible, incredible, This Doug golib Show, Fox Sports Trade. Ryan,
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Speaker 6 (49:10):
Thanks for joining us anytime, Doug, appreciate it.
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Not that coast, but I am on a shoreline, but
Sherman Oaks and Green Bay all together in this mix.
Welcome in. We can talk about whether that was the
greatest comeback of all time or just the most recent
great comeback. How much of it was a choke job.
There's a lot to get to, but I do feel
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like Charles Barkley nailed it last night, as he has
tendency to do. Where he was just like, how great
a job do we have where we get to talk
about just this unbelievable game. It was a great basketball
game that had an unreal finish, actually had a remarkable
finish twice over right, because you had the comeback in
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regulation and then the win in overtime, both by the
Indiana Pacers. Uh, and you had the choke by the
by the Knicks in regulation and some mismanagement of the
clock and game situation in overtime. So bunch to get
to by my colleagues, Dan Byer, Jay stew Iowa, Sam
all in the fold, all in the mix. We've all
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watched the game, and that's what we're going to talk about.
So here's what I want to do, guys. Okay, here's
what I'll do. There's other parts to it we can
get to, you know where Aaron Nasmith started to make
some shots. But the heart of it is fifty one
seconds to go and the Pacers are up one twenty one,
(01:54):
one twelve. I meancuse to be the Knicks are up
uh one twenty one one twelve. Start up nine points
with fifty two seconds to go. Now full disclosure, I'm
watching this as a basketball coach and I've lived some
of this. We had a couple of collapses Youngstown State
at home, Oakland at home, and there's a lot of similarities.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Right.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
We didn't have a turnover against Oakland, had turnovers against Youngstown,
and we lost big leads and lost games late. Michigan
Tech at home up thirteen. Right, all these things have happened.
So I want to talk through those last fifty one
seconds and kind of get some of your guys thoughts.
I'll share some of my thoughts on how I'm watching it.
(02:40):
You guys okay with that? Again, We're all okay with that?
Al right. So again, this is last night's game. If
you missed it, you missed it. The Nicks reps seventeen
in the fourth quarter nine with fifty two seconds to go.
Let's start with the first cut into that nine point lead.
Here's the call with the Pacers down one, twenty one,
one twelve.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Hea Smith three card, another one from outside, and now
it is a six point game again under a minute ago.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Wid is right there.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Pressure by the.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
Pacers, Towns bridges times to the whole Smith again free,
got it. Here's a frame forward, five point game time out,
taken thirty four seconds to go. Wow, five consecutive threes
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for Nie Smith.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Crazy right. The first thing is okay? The first three,
now it's I do think the Knicks sort of stopped playing.
I think they sort of stopped playing first because that
first three that he hit. Remember, you're up nine points.
You can it's mathematically, you probably should foul there. You
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probably should would foul there. And you're like, why, Okay,
remember at that point he'd made three consecutive threes. If
you foul with fifty seconds to go on the ground,
whoever you foul, they it'll still be a three possession game.
And you get the ball in bounds, you get fouled yourself.
(04:20):
You got a chance to get it right back to nine. Okay. Now,
when you're up nine, most people are not thinking, hey,
we want to protect this lead and be at a
and be at a and and oh yeah, by the way,
it went from nine to six to eight. When you're
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up eight, you can also foul. It's not a three
possession game. It'd be a two possession game. But the
first thing is, there is a world where mathematically they
tell you, the analytics tell you you're up nine under
a minute, you foul because what happens is best case
scenario for them. They make both three throws, it's still
(05:02):
a three possession game. Right, they make one out of two, Right,
they make zero out of two. Now you're no blood.
And if they make both, it's seven. You throw it in.
You get fouled. And again remember in the NBA, you
get two shots. Even if you'll make one, it's at eight.
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But giving up two consecutive three point shots, and they
got progressively more difficult. But the first one he came
off a little. It's called top to top hand off.
And og Nanobi's nowhere to be found. He's just late.
That's where I think the Knicks just stopped playing.
Speaker 6 (05:40):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
And here's where og kind of screwed up. There was
a bounce pass from Jalen Brunson to Ognobi where it
slipped out of his hands trying to go up for
a dunk, and then he grabbed it back into the
last second. The call was eventually overturned. Here here's the call.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Bridges zing bound, cutting Brunson inside bottle the ball.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
Oh, they'll challenge this, they will, absolutely, they have to
challenge it.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
It was a loose ball.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
That's exactly what coach Carlisle is saying. So that gets overturned.
Right now, it's a it's a five point game, and
Nie Smith again makes a three.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
He'smith, it's a three. What's a two point game? Oh,
it's a two point game. Were twenty two seconds to.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Go, and of course Carl Anthony Towns misses one of
two three throws, and you'll never guess who hits his
sixth consecutive three.
Speaker 7 (06:42):
Runs him to windbound on the ball.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
You do, and it's picked up by Heart.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
Now bruns Him splits to They try and flies Feeds.
Park is ticking.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
There's a tough and.
Speaker 6 (06:56):
Fall on Towns. Wow.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
You turnover on inbounds.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
It looked like Josh Hart was going down.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Josh harten my wig of his shoes.
Speaker 8 (07:06):
He slipped ome min great recovery there by Heart and
then he slipped on offfense.
Speaker 6 (07:14):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
And then after the Nie Smith three Ognanobi takes the pous.
Now again it's a one point game.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
One point game, hard to inbound Funson's got it. Oh
throws it away but picked up right there an andob and.
Speaker 7 (07:31):
Quickly fouled Vi siakam.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
Wow, what a mythed opportunity there by Indiana Wow.
Speaker 8 (07:38):
New York very close to a couple of turnovers here.
At the end of the game. Brunson just gets up
off of his feet and throws the boll. Tries to
throw it.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Off Nie Smith.
Speaker 8 (07:48):
I think Anonobe nce recovery.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Okay, so oj Andobi who uh missed some defense to
some defensive coverages. The ball slips out of his hands
on a layup where he could have shot faked. He
gets it back, he loses the ball. Then he steps
up and he only makes one out of two. So
it's a two point game, end of regulation. Here's what happens.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Two point game, Indiana with it.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Helliver, don't take it.
Speaker 7 (08:25):
He'll back bet on a free from the.
Speaker 8 (08:43):
I gotta make sure he got all the way behind
the line.
Speaker 7 (08:46):
That's right.
Speaker 8 (08:47):
He certainly got it off in three of time.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Oh, I think that's a two that goes in.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
That's gonna be a two.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
That only ties the game.
Speaker 7 (08:57):
That ties the game, we're.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Gonna be going overtime.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Unbelieve he tried to give right so that those calls
uh via TNT. There's a lot to dig into. Tyre's
Haliburton going in for a layup. He gets picked up
a great defensive player to pick him up. He back
pedals back, tribbles back, and chucks the three while just
barely being on the line. It goes to overtime, and
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then the Pacers win the game in overtime. I've seen
a lot I've I haven't seen it like that. Uh
it took a special shooting performance by Aaron Nasmith, It
took an unbelievable play bounce and amount of intelligence by
Tyrese Haliburton. And what's craziest is yes og and Obi
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thought three different possessions choked on the play. But Jalen
Brunson wasn't great either, right, could have thrown that basketball
away two times. Josh Hart fell down in guarding Naysmith,
one time coming off the screen, and then nearly fell
down on and slipped on the inbounds play. There's a
lot of blame to go around. I heard Colin say
(10:11):
the Knicks didn't choke. Look at the shot making by
the Pacers, Like, I don't know what to tell you,
but if you turn the ball over, if you missed
two out of four free throws down the stretch, and
if you don't cover an elite three point shooter who
makes six consecutive threes, I don't know what else you
would call it. That was absolutely an obscene choke job.
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Now does it have to have elements of a comeback?
And the confidence of the pacers and the way they
play because they don't panic, right, It wasn't like they
came down the court and just jack threes with a
hand in their face, falling away and made miracle shots.
Those are off of set plays, quick hitters, and they
all worked. But they've been down before and they don't change,
they don't freak out. So there is a lot of
skill that goes with it. But if you're the New
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York Dicks, you have to win those games at that game.
Have to win that game, have to have to. The
only saving grace is one they've had their own comebacks, right,
so maybe it's karma working out their own comebacks against
the Knicks twice two We've seen the Oklahoma City Thunder
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choke away a game in similar sort of fashion Game
one against Nuggets came back and won the series, So
there is a we have seen teams overcome it in
the past, but that's as devastating a way to lose
a game as as I can think of. Byer, what
just give me? You watch, you've processed, you've thought go.
Speaker 9 (11:38):
So I actually, Doug think it goes back to when
they had the lead at around two minutes or so.
The Knicks and Jalen Brunson had hit a three previously
on a trip down but ended up shooting another three,
and then Karl Anthony Towns chucked up another three, where
I felt, at any point you get a basket at
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that point point, maybe the Pacers kind of wave the
white flag.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
They ended up not doing so.
Speaker 9 (12:05):
On one occasion they got a three, and then the
next occasion, Siakam made a free throw got fouled. But
I figured if they got any bucket in that situation
that it's probably the end of the game. But ultimately,
the play that I think cost them the most was
the og An Andobe fumble underneath the basket, because it
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is a sure bucket go up seven twenty nine seconds left,
instead he botches it. Not only does do you not
get the points, you then give the ball to Indiana,
which then continues the whole string of it. But if
you go up seven at that point with twenty nine
left to go, I mean, I just I think that
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I think that's pretty good spot to be in. And
considering it was point blank range and just not being
able to grab the ball, I don't.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Think it was a good pass. Okay, And again one
of the flaws to Jalen Brunson, and and when I
say this, you know people who don't know basketball will
be like you're a heater, like Jalen Brunson is literally
my favorite player in the NBA. But he's not an
elite passer. It's not actually what he does. He's not
an elite passer. He can pass, but he's a he's
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a scoring point who can pass, a not a guy
who creates shots for others. So it wasn't a particularly
good pass. And it is one of those where you
drive in if you just throw it to the rim,
he catches it and he dunks it whatever. So instead
you play kind of classic Villanova jumpstop basketball. Great efficient,
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not a great pass, but an og Nobi lost the
basketball and the only thing you can think of there
is it's nerves, right, you're trying to get it up
quick balls out of your hands.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
The same with it with the Bucks.
Speaker 9 (13:54):
Remember when Gary Trent was so great at the end
and then he just had the ball go through his
leg twice like it was but the one throw his legs,
you're just like, wait a second, what is this? And
this was the one where you're right at the basket
and for some reason you can't reel it in at
that point. I mean, there were we could make an
argument for all of those plays that you made, I
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just felt for some reason that one was the one
to me that stood out as the one that that.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
You, well, here's the thing, here's the thing. Like again,
and I'm not saying the Nova guys were perfect, but
we all make the assumption that these are grown men,
they're professionals, they're the best in the world, that they
don't get rattled og and Andobi was rattled. He was rattled,
right there's the video of him and kar Anthony Town's
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yelling at each other on the bench right before that.
He was rattled. He has never been that situation before.
And he absolutely choked in that position. And again I'm
admitting it wasn't a perfect pass. But when you combine
the fact that he was laid on a switch and
it was a Nate Smith three with the fact that
he missed one out of two free throws where he
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makes both free throws, game sead match and he drops
the ball. As you point out at the rim, they're
up five, that's up seven, game seat match. This is
it's classic man in the arena stuff. You ask anybody
they watched, they'd be like, yeah, he kind of blew
that game. I blew that game.
Speaker 9 (15:24):
I mean, Haliburton was magnificent, Nie Smith was unworldly. But
the Pacers just they may have looked frantic, but they
didn't look like they were they ever panicked. And in
just in those situations it may have been a little
helter skelter, but my goodness, they had a plan. And
then when the Knicks needed to make shots dug in overtime.
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They jumped out to the lead in overtime and gave
it back. And then when they needed to make shots,
they couldn't do it. You couldn't make one. Brunts and missed,
Cat missed. I think it was brunts in on the
out of bounds, you know, the pass out to the
wing that the flex off of. I think it was
maybe Nemhard hit it and then it went off of
Brunson's hand and turn over.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
There. Just unbelievable lack of execution by the Knicks.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Crazy, absolutely crazy, Jay Stu Again, I know you don't
profess yourself as a purveyor of breaking down basketball games,
but in terms of chokes, comebacks, however you want to like,
it happens. So I will tell you being on the sideline,
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having been on the other side, of some of those
I watched last night, and I swear to God, I
said this last night was God Once next year I
got to be on the other side of one of
these because it happened so fast, and sometimes there's sometimes
there's nothing you can do. As a coach. You can
tell them what to do, just like, just do this,
you win the game. And if one guy doesn't do
it and they hit a three, like you know all
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the planning in the world. But Jay Stu, where is
this one in your pantheon of choke jobs? Come whatever
you want to turn it.
Speaker 10 (17:01):
I'm just going to offer up some stats.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Guys.
Speaker 10 (17:03):
You know me, I'm I'm less interested about what happened
than how it was covered. And it seemed like even
the people that are most uncomfortable using the word choke,
we're using it in the wake of what happened last night.
Uh Cowherd saying it wasn't a choke. He's a true
outlier if that's what he said and he did. I'm
going to offer you two stats. Dan, you wanted to
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go back to like the three minute mark, right, you know,
in the history of the NBA and the playoffs, the
team that is trailing by fourteen points with two point
fifty left is zero in nine hundred and seventy and
now they're one in nine hundred and seventy. I'm going
to offer you this, since you wanted to start at
fifty seconds, Doug, going into last night's game, in the
history of the NBA Playoffs, teams that were up nine
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with fifty seconds left were uh one thousand, four hundred
and fourteen and zero, and now they're one, four hundred
and fourteen and one. I think those two stats are
empirical evidence that this was the largest choke job in
the history of the NBA Playoffs, and that can't be disputed.
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So I'm not going to be talked off that ledge.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
I don't expect you to. I appreciate that number is
so alarming, like that game should be over, and I
get why you didn't foul up nine. You're like, it's
never happened before, but it's one of those where you
eliminate with a foul up nine, you eliminate the ability
to make it a two possession game, a two possession game.
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Speaker 4 (19:28):
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Speaker 1 (19:32):
Ironically, the year is nineteen ninety four. Why is it
ironically nineteen ninety four. Well, that was the last time
the Knicks we're in the NBA finals. Of course I
know that because that was the year the OJ Chase
that's my most notable nineteen ninety four things. When I
saw Jase two you put out the year, I thought,
this makes sense, with the exception of the fact that
the Knicks choked last night, and I guess they did
(19:52):
choke in game seven of that of that finals as well.
Speaker 10 (19:56):
Thank you, Doug. I'll take it from here and you
just sam up the feature. I will try to regurgitate
what you just said in my DJ voice. So nineteen
ninety four, I want all of our listeners and the
members of the show to take yourselves back to nineteen
ninety four. I personally was a junior in college. Yes,
(20:18):
that dates me, but I was very alive and alerted
to the fact that the Nicks and Pagers were playing
in the Eastern Conference finals. That was the finals where
Reggie Miller was doing the famous choke sign to Spike
Lee that was mirrored last night by Tyrese Haliburton. Also,
(20:40):
the year that nineteen ninety four NBA Finals was the
Rockets and Knicks. The first year without Michael Jordan in
the league in quite some time, so it was basically
a battle for who could win when Jordan was out
of the league. The Rockets took the mantle, or maybe
took the trophy off the mantle. I don't even know
what the cliche is there, but nobody remembers that finals
(21:02):
because everybody remembers the OJ Simpson supposed to be Chase
and the finals and absolutely, What a year to be alive, Dan,
What do you remember most from that year?
Speaker 6 (21:15):
So?
Speaker 9 (21:15):
And I I had some other stuff in my ear.
The Knicks also made the finals in ninety nine, the
NBA Finals, right, So that was correct, just okay, But
this was the Pacers. Knicks in the nineteen ninety four
Eastern Conference Finals. Sportswise college basketball, Arkansas cut down the Nets,
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Scotti Thurman and the Hogs end up beating Duke in
that national championship game led by Grant Hill in that
scenario then led to an NBA draft where the Milwaukee
Bucks had the number one overall pick and took Glenn
Big Dog Robinson, leaving Jason Kidd to go to the
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Mavericks and then the aforementioned Hill to the Detroit Pistons.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
There's your NBA nineteen ninety four, right, People forget nineteen
ninety four. Weird year for a lot of other sports,
a lot of other things going on. Wasn't that the
year that the Rams and Raiders had both moved?
Speaker 2 (22:26):
You'd tell me.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
I think it was. Niners won the Super Bowl. But
the ninety four season, ninety four season was maybe the
last year of the Raiders at home. I can't seem
or remember which it was, but again I remember as
they're with their franchise that they were the Oakland Raiders. Yes,
(22:50):
last year of the LA Raiders, the last year of
the LA Rams as well. The Raiders moved back to Oakland. Ironically, right,
they moved to because the stadium commission promised them that
they would redo the Colisseum Coliseum was never redone. They
moved back to the Oakland Coliseum where they were promised
(23:12):
this upper deck and all these new suites, which they got,
but it became an absolute eye sore, never sold in baseball,
not great for football either, and ultimately they left Oakland
because of That's right, the stadium that was never up
to standards of the rest of the Nation Football League.
Speaker 10 (23:34):
You're probably thinking, who won Major League Baseball's World Series.
The answer is nobody, and it's a shameful act that
Baseball canceled the World Series. They canceled most of the
last part of their season. Many things to think about
during that nine to four season. Remember, there had just
been an expansion year of the year before, so the
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pitching was deluded. We had Tony Gwynn going after four
hundred and had Ken Griffy and Mark McGuire and these
types going after sixty home runs numbers that were being
put up that didn't really have anything to do with steroids,
just the deluted talent. The Expos were the best team
in baseball when everything shut down, and a lot of
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people say the Expos were robbed of their only championship
nineteen ninety four.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Nineteen ninety four. In golf, Dan Barro, what was it?
Speaker 9 (24:30):
Well, it's funny because that documentary on the OJ Chase
and everything that happened that day. It was also highlighted
that it was Arnold Palmer's final round at the US Open,
playing it in Darneer, his backyard, not far from Latrobe, Pennsylvania,
but at Oakmont Country Club just outside of Pittsburgh, which,
by the way, is going to host the US Open
(24:51):
coming up again in a couple of weeks. But that
US Open was won by one Ernie Els, so the
first of two US Opens from Ernie La that year.
That was in nineteen ninety four, the Masters winner, the
first of two Masters championships for Jose Maria Oltabo, one
of the more fun names to say, the fable fobble
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Jose Maria Oletabo.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
He went again in eighteen ninety nine.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Wasn't it a dual national championship year in college football?
I want to say it.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Was nineteen ninety four.
Speaker 11 (25:28):
I believe the Nebraska Cornhuskers reigned supreme.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Yeah, that's what I thought.
Speaker 11 (25:33):
Eighty seven was Michigan in Nebraska.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Isn't it so well?
Speaker 9 (25:37):
I think he was thinking, were you thinking Penn State Nebraska?
Was that Penn State went undefeated in the nineteen ninety
four fall.
Speaker 11 (25:47):
I believe that Penn State counts their last national championship
in eighty six, something I checked on.
Speaker 9 (25:52):
But that was the Kerrie Collins Kajana Carter year. And
again it's why, as an Ohio State fan do not
like to predict games. Because I was popping off at
school all that week. I was in high school. The
fall was my senior year of high school, nineteen ninety four,
but I was saying that Ohio State was going to
go to Happy Valley and run rough shot over those
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Nitney Lions. And the final score from Happy Valley Penn
State sixty three, Ohio State fourteen. Penn State was a
juggernaut that year, unstoppable.
Speaker 10 (26:26):
And the fact checked here at Nebraska defeated Miami and
the Orange Bowl to be the nineteen ninety four college
football champion.
Speaker 9 (26:34):
Penn State was undefeated that year. They beat Oregon in
the Rose Bowl on you know, January nineteen ninety five.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
But yeah, that was Penn State.
Speaker 9 (26:43):
That was a That was a That was the Terry
Bounden Auburn year as well. Oh no, that was nineteen
ninety four.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Was that? That was ninety four? That was okay, I
was supposed to I was supposed to visit Auburn. They
were undefeated, but they were on probation, so they didn't
go right's right and go to a bowl game.
Speaker 9 (26:57):
And then later on it was like the Jason Campbell
was in that like Auburn in like two thousand and
four or something like that.
Speaker 11 (27:02):
Cadillac Williams yeah something, yeah, running back brown yep.
Speaker 10 (27:06):
Dan brings up the the OJ Simpson documentary, which I
very much, I very much recommend everybody watched at the
ESPN one, the original ESPN one, And in that documentary
you are reminded not only was there a slow speed
chase during the NBA Finals, damn, but I want to
say there was a ticker tape parade for the New
York Rangers. If I'm not mistaken, that's correct, and Mark
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Messier was the was the big name on that team.
And I remember they they asked Mark Messier one day
at the locker room, what do you listen to to
get kind of in a mood for these high level,
high leverage games, and he said, I'm just going to
play it for you. Let's go.
Speaker 9 (27:49):
So this is this that is that is not true.
What I can tell you is this though in nineteen
ninety four, because I am a huge Tony Braxton, I
know he wasn't listening to it because I was listening
to this as I had tonselitis and then came down
with mono and was stricken to a hotel room in Knoxville, Tennessee.
I touched on college basketball a little bit earlier. I've
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told you guys that when I was in high school,
I was lucky enough. My mom is like our spring
break trips would take us to NCAA tournament games. I
got sick before the regional final in Knoxville, Tennessee that
had Purdue, as I mentioned, that had Duke. As I
mentioned before, Kansas and Marquette were also in that region,
and I just remember sitting in a bathtub in Knoxville, Tennessee,
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with this song in my head because I just again
love Tony Braxton, lover music and breathe again just I
think of I go right back to nineteen ninety four
when I hear this song, and.
Speaker 10 (28:49):
This was for those listeners thinking, is this the same
year that in the same song that broke up the Mavericks,
As Jimmy Jason Kidd and Jimmy Jefs have thought over
Tony Braxton.
Speaker 9 (28:58):
My favorite basketball player, are brought in to this drama.
Jj is always denied that he was a part of
that stooped yes fraction fire.
Speaker 11 (29:10):
I'm just imagining Dan Byer in a bathtub with candles
lit and bubbles or just sick as a dog, just
as I want.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
To imagine he just man that way, Sam, I don't
just okay you do you booth?
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Do you?
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Nineteen ninety four? In movies? In nineteen ninety four movies?
What have I said? My Did I no beat you.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
That? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Yeah, there you go? And I know everything. There is
no bunch shrimping business. You can brol it bullets, I'll
tell you, or base it right. Oh, when's that.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Forrest Gump.
Speaker 11 (29:48):
But Forrest Gump, can I have this? I just gotta
play it. I'm sorry, Yeah, I just got to do it. Man,
that's good stuff.
Speaker 10 (30:05):
This reminds me. Oh, anybody who calls the latest rendition
of this story the live action version of Lion King.
It's not live action. They don't have animals actually acting
and speaking English. It's not live action.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
It's live to tape.
Speaker 6 (30:25):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
You guys know, you guys know that. I'm a huge
Tom Clancy guy. Clear and Present Danger was the top
ten movie that year, right, Harrison Ford?
Speaker 11 (30:40):
Was that the one Will and Dafoe in It is
one of the Oh no, I'm thinking of what's the
one of all the Marines go down to like Columbia.
It's another Tom Clancy one, isn't it where Will depose
like the chickens in the pot and then they blow
up the Yeah that's that one.
Speaker 6 (30:53):
Is that?
Speaker 2 (30:53):
It? Great movie? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Yeah, William Devote James Earl Jones is the head of
the CIA, So yeah, that's that's the same one. Dumb
and Dumber that year. Just when I think you couldn't
do anything dumber, you do this and completely reneem yourself.
Oh yeah, Speed also that year, right, it was kind
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of the height of Sandra Bullock Speed.
Speaker 11 (31:22):
Oh no, she was just getting her career started there.
She had a lot of big movies after that.
Speaker 10 (31:27):
That was her launching point.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Her launch was her launch.
Speaker 11 (31:33):
Would like Launch is so good?
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Would like Blindside be a part of her peak? Didn't know?
Speaker 1 (31:38):
That's that's no, No, I think that's on the descent.
Speaker 10 (31:40):
That was her Academy award, that was the Yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
That was her descent she had.
Speaker 11 (31:46):
Don't you think, I have no idea if you went
an Oscar it's kind of a yeah, it's.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Kind of a high point. I would say.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
She had.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
She had.
Speaker 11 (31:55):
She had a lot of big movies. I think that
because she was a relative unknown before Speed. I remember
they like the way they found her. I read about
the making of the movie.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Is she was?
Speaker 10 (32:04):
She was not? She was not a big name. I
remember she did Speed and they got a ton of
money to do a movie called The Net. Oh yeah, yeah,
talk about a movie that doesn't hold up. Don't watch
it right now.
Speaker 11 (32:15):
It's like a psychological thriller about the Internet, Internet stocking,
this upcoming thing called the Internet. Al Gore was talking
about it.
Speaker 10 (32:25):
I can't believe we've gone that eight movies deep and
we haven't mentioned one of the greatest movies of all time.
It's really disappointing that Pulp Fiction has not been mentioned
yet one of the greatest and if you haven't seen it,
shame on you. Dan Barr, I saw it in like
three segments. Oh okay.
Speaker 11 (32:44):
It's kind of how the movie split up into like
little little vignettes.
Speaker 10 (32:47):
Right. I'm trying to think of what's on the list
of things we've told Doug our Dan to watch and
how he's prioritized it in his queue and never watched them.
Like you're like, I got to get to the Godfather
of got to get to pulp Fiction.
Speaker 9 (33:04):
Pulp Fiction was a movie that was assigned within the
Doug Gottlieb Show. I think it's the only homework that
I've done. I truly believe that there have been other
movies mentioned that have just gone by the wayside.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
But I was able to consume Pulp Fiction.
Speaker 9 (33:20):
And I did consume Top Gun, but it was on CBS,
so there were like eighty seven commercial breaks because they
stretched it out to a three hour window, so it
was really long.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
That would be the other one.
Speaker 11 (33:32):
Dan just please don't watch pulp fiction around your son.
It's not fore I've seen it, so I've seen it,
but it just I won't.
Speaker 10 (33:40):
Yeah, don't do that. There was another movie that happened
that year, Doug No, it came out the year before.
Oh check it. But yes, this song was the biggest
song of the movie.
Speaker 11 (33:53):
Let's go.
Speaker 10 (33:57):
So so before the before the show, we're going over
stuff to do on the show today, and I said,
let's play this song. And as I'm in the middle
of saying, this is one of the cheesiest songs ever made,
samdblurts out, I love this song.
Speaker 11 (34:14):
I love this song. Sting, Sir Rod Stewart and Ryan Adams.
They all get around together around a piano. They all
like meet up like on a Sunday for this music video.
And this was The Three Musketeers, which came out in
ninety three, one of my favorite movies as a kid.
Great cast, Tim Curry. You know you guys can look
it up.
Speaker 6 (34:33):
Well.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
It's also iconic rap song. Okay, iconic rap song, but
it comes from a movie. What that was the year
that Regulate came out, right, Warren, g Regulate Regulators mount
up right? Oh if you know anything about nineties rap
(34:53):
slash hip hop. That Warren G song is an anthem?
Is an anthem, isn't it?
Speaker 11 (35:00):
I think that was sampled by Jason See what I'm looking.
Speaker 10 (35:05):
At you Michael McDonald And there I'm looking at yes, well,
sampled by Warren G. But it was originally made by
Sorry I man, yeah, Original Brothers or Michael McDonald. I'm
not sure Classic gotrock?
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Is that keep forgetting?
Speaker 3 (35:19):
That is?
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Uh, don't call it a throwback.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Thursday.
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seconds to go, Haliburton driving, He's in the lane, he
(35:54):
nearly lost, and he backs up and unloads. AP three
that did not happen. It hit the back of the rim,
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It's one thing to hit a game winner or a
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(36:16):
back when he's with the nets where his toe is
on the line. It's another thing for it to hit
the back rim, go up in the air, even more drama,
and then go in. Ryan Hollins joins us tenure NBA VET.
He's the voice of the Houston Rockets circolo analyst on
the TV side in the regular season. He's also our
Fox Sports Radio NBA analyst. And Ryan, how would you
characterize last night's win by the Pacers breaking?
Speaker 6 (36:43):
Huh, freaking breaking. When when you're the team, it's different, Doug,
We've been there before. When you're the team that is
the the hunter, it's different. And I picked the Pacers
in the series. I've been talking about him for a
(37:05):
while now. And when you're the hunt Hed, it's different.
This series New York is a hunt Hed and it's
a bad matchup because the Pacers move the ball. They
move it and when the game gets tight, they still
move to basketball. Now, Doug, you know what we do
(37:26):
in the locker room. In this situation, You're gonna assume
that Tibbs today is gonna meet and the one thing
they're gonna watch is probably the last five minutes in overtime.
And what you're gonna see is brunts and one on
one cat, one on one, brunts and one on one cat,
one on one. And when you look on the other side,
(37:49):
you're gonna see kick ahead, You're gonna see nim Hard
wide open. You're gonna see a ball movement. You're gonna
see Ali Burton getting in the lane. You're gonna see
the pace is running offense and wearing New York down.
And it wasn't necessarily a big, huge meltdown like New
York didn't just sucked the game like Tat miss the
(38:10):
free throw. Maybe it's like turnover here and there. The
game wasn't punched. This is a possession by possession walkdown
or Indiana hit shots that they had been hitting all
playoffs along.
Speaker 5 (38:23):
Doug.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
I get it. I know they look. I mean, I
know they've been hitting shots. They've been playing this way.
But the Knicks missing two out of four free throws.
I thought Og clearly blowing an assignment there on a
little top to top hand off and the ball slipping
out of his hands when a dunk or layup wins
wins the game up five like like, like you said, backbreaking, backbreaking?
(38:48):
How do you come back from this? How do you
gather yourself and go like, hey, we're good, don't worry,
we're good here. If you're the.
Speaker 6 (38:55):
Nicks, it's it's a mentality scene. And then Nick they
are a tough team. It's a tough group. I think
the big challenge is that just a mental toughness and understanding.
And when we saw Indiana, I knew there is good
this year earlier, you know, when our Rockets went over
there and played them. But it's the multiple actions that
(39:17):
you have to guard. Bibbs likes to pressure the basketball,
likes to be tough, likes to you know, put bodies
on Halliburton and people like that. It's a strategic thing
because they mentally wore down and you're talking about the
mistakes defensively at a certain point, when you got to
guard Doug, what are we what thirty to fifty dribble
(39:37):
handoff actions thirty to fifty cuts and then you got
to score. On the other end, they're getting worred down.
You got to play campaign this series, dude, you got
to go eight deep if your TIBs because guess what
Rick Carlile is. These are mental errors. These are fatigue errors,
These are emotional errors. The Knicks are good enough. They
just beat the Celtics, and they were beating them before
(40:00):
Jason Tatum got hurt. These are mental errors. So you're
gonna have to trust your bench or you're gonna have
to play some zone. You're gonna have to slow things down,
and you're gonna have to really really buckle down and
understand where you're the team that came back down twenty right,
You're the team that was machismo and doing all the
things and flushing part of a champion. They do what
(40:24):
you do. Jonathan says, to set this ball player, he
might not be able to jump over folkook Doug Right,
guess what they got. They got three Bronston's on the
other high on the side. They got them hard. Nick
Hart don't jump. He plays. He plays like Brunton does,
just a lower version of it. Ali Burton ain't making
All Airports team He's skin is around. He knows how
(40:47):
to play the game. TJ McConnell, you would pick him
out of the lineup walking down the streets, you, Doug,
You walk right by TJ McConnell. Okay, So you gotta
go through these guys that play your style of that
basketball confidence against you in your house, and you gotta
finish the game. You gotta be tougher and when you
(41:08):
get up, you gotta punish Indiana, bro, because if you
didn't learn anything, they'll walk you down. And all those
actions and all those shots maybe they were missing earlier
when they started hitting them.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
You better believe.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Steug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the
voice of Ryan Hollins. Okay, let's get to tonight's game.
How do you guard Shay Gildas Alexander and pressure him
without fouling him.
Speaker 6 (41:39):
You got to be incredibly disciplined against Shae and the
challenge when you play Shay and Williams and even more Shae,
you gotta be prepared for the bump. Everything he does
is predicated up the bump. So you're gonna hit you
one two step back, one two drive read one two
handed a cookie jar foul. We saw it with James Harden,
we saw it with DeMar Jarrow's and normally these guys
(42:01):
like Brunson and Shaye, when they give the situations, they're
not as effective. But Shay's completely stayed effective. I'm daring
somebody else to beat me on boxes and elbows. I'm
making them pick. And he's a tough cover because he
works from wary, works on the top of the key
and then he gets downhill so when you run doubles,
he can look at you. So I'm sitting on that
now and I'm going to force the contested hard close
(42:23):
up and I'm sending you into my health. Now. The
problem is on the other side, and Doug, we talked
about this. Minnesota's offense ain't gonna be good enough. They
playoff energy, They play off tallent and you're not gonna
out energy. Okay, See at their game. They have the
best on ball defenders in the league. They play together.
(42:43):
They're small, but they man. They dove better than anybody.
They move on the string. You know how We're talking
about Indiana and ball movement and all that. They move
defensively with the ball. They moved together with the balls.
If you're Minnesota. You almost gotta slow things down. You
got to play bigger sign. You got to throw the
ball into Rudy Gobarrett when he has a mismatch. And
(43:04):
I'm gonna tell you something else. If you don't attack
check Holme Grin and you don't get physical with chet
hol Gren, serious is over. The only way that you
beat Oklahoma City is not just stop in shape. You
have to attack Check because now they got to pivot
to another place where they have to go. And that's
why the Nuggets gave him so many problems because you
couldn't dare put Chet on Yokich and you you damn
(43:27):
near putt put them on Aaron Gorton. And if Aaron
Gorton doesn't pull a hamstring, we're talking about member moving forward.
But if you can't attack Chet.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
The other part to it is when Anthony Evers has
the ball, they're playing so deep into the gaps right
that you can't you can't get to the basket. How
would you He talked about playing off the basketball more,
which I like as well. How do you think how
else do you think you combat that type of almost
college like loading defense?
Speaker 6 (44:00):
How to get out and get in transition. I agree
with putting him off the basketball. And the one thing is,
you know, you got to get your best shooters. You
got to get guys in positions where they can where
they can hit shots, and you got to trust them
because that's going to like clear the nail. One thing
we used to do in Boston. You know, Doc was
really big on getting the help off the nail. So
(44:22):
if you had a two guy loaded side, we'd always
cut through off the nails just so that help wouldn't
be there. And you gotta be really tricky about the
way you do it. Maybe you post ant, get him
in the mid post, maybe play them off the elbow
so that mail health is a little harder. You force
guys that have to commit more. And the thing about
Aunt is you gotta scheme it. Okay, Finch is gonna
(44:45):
have to scheme him open right now because when all
do respect, he doesn't have the idea. Not that he's
not a great basketball player, not that he's not excellent
one on one, but he doesn't manipulate the game. Yet
he scores that he don't manipulate it. So you know,
Finch is going to have to be creative. And they're
gonna have to build Brian defensively, and again like that
talked about, he's gonna have to get Rudy one or
(45:06):
two layups or get a wide open three for nas
Reed or Devincenzo or some of those guys. And now
that clears the nail up. But if I'm okayc budging
off the nail and it's something the Lakers did. But
the Lakers were so slow, Doug. You saw it like
they couldn't even rotate to the second and third pass.
So they kind of show a wall to Edwards and
then there was no efforts after that.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
Yeah, it was kind of crazy, really really really crazy
on how they guarded, and you know, they dared other
Minnesota players to beat them and they were unable unable
to do so. Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Hey, okay,
so who's most likely to come back in this series?
I know only one game in and usually we go
(45:52):
at one game?
Speaker 6 (45:52):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (45:53):
But because of how backbreaking Game one was for the Knicks,
and because of you know, the thought that at the
Oklahoma City looks like a bad matchup for Minnesota, who's
more likely to come back and make it and do
a quality series.
Speaker 6 (46:08):
New York the horrible matchup for the Wolves. They're too similar,
like like like Anthony Edwards right now has to out
athletic you out one on one you or or Julius
Randalls Downhill and he's been pretty damn good these playoffs
and you're not gonna be okayc like that. You're gonna
beat him inside. And that's the that's the problem with
the Wolves. It's a horrible matchup. Horrific matchup. Uh in
(46:33):
New York has a much better shot. That team has
too much character. Un They're two talented, too much fight
to just go away. But they're gonna have to. And
it's weird We're talking about how great Brunston is is
finishing games. They're gonna have to be fresh, you know,
They're gonna have to kind of find a way to
slow down the Pacers and then you gotta you gotta
(46:54):
find a way to finish better. And and again I
don't think you're one on one beats their Baltimore and
that's going to be the story the day. But I
would be very surprised if New York just rolls over
and goes away. I don't I don't see that team
with how how they played and how tough they are
and how talented to do that.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
I agree with you, but man, that's gotta be a
tough one to come back from. That's that. That was
a hard one.
Speaker 6 (47:21):
You haven't seen anything like that. I didn't get to
ask you, Doug. Have you ever in the history of
basketball seen in a two point game the guy dribbles
to the rain in lock up? You know, you plached,
that's what it looked like a horse shotter like you know,
you played knockout, like knockout and a guy dribbled back
and hit a three like that.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
No, I mean, look, we we we lost the game
up up five eighteen seconds ago with the ball. So,
I mean, I've I've I saw some stuff this year
that I've never seen before. But no, I've never seen
Tyris Helbert and like, look he had a layup right
and then and the knicks, you know, so he had
a layup and then all of a sudden the nick switch,
(48:03):
which is a smart switch, and then he just backtorubles
into a third. Like no, I've never stapp before. That
was like something doing a video that you do that
on two K You don't do that in real life.
Speaker 6 (48:12):
That's can I say Cohnah's on Fox Sports Radio is
that's yah word you got? You gotta have some calahonahs
in it in a two point game in the garden
and take that shot like that, that's crazy, like in
like the first thing runs through my mind, do you
work on that shot?
Speaker 1 (48:33):
Like?
Speaker 6 (48:34):
Do you work on that shot? And and and it's
almost like I don't know if he knew what he's
doing or he just improvised it, but the footwork to
throw out to like and he hit the shot first Cleveland,
so you can't say he just pulled it out of
his out of thin air like the kahonahs. For for
Halliburton to make that play in the garden, everything against
(48:56):
you backs against the wall. Your dad's kicked out of
the playoff. Like it's like the dude's is the diamond wallow?
Speaker 1 (49:06):
Incredible, incredible, This Doug golib Show, Fox Sports Trade. Ryan,
you're the best man.
Speaker 6 (49:10):
Thanks for joining us anytime, Doug, appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
Ryan and Dan By are gonna co host tomorrow. I'm
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